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[[Image:NelsonCountyPiedmont.wmg.jpg|right|thumb|400px|The [[James River (Virginia)|James River]] winds its way among piedmont hills in central [[Virginia]]. Most of the hills in the piedmont region are smaller than these.]]

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[[Image:piedmontmap.png|right|frame| '''Piedmont''' plateau region (shaded)]]

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This article, while well written, does not assert the [[WP:N|notability]] of the topic, and could not possibly be rewritten to assert any notability. Although [[World of Warcraft]], [[Everquest]] and other [[MMORPG]]s are notable, fan-made systems used by their players do not automatically become notable by association. Popularity aside, the only sources currently in the article are:

*Guides on how to use DKP, written by WoW players

*Definitions of DKP from lists of gaming terminology

*Trivial mentions of DKP in articles about WoW

*A single "fun" whitepaper on DKP which links this Wikipedia article in a footnote

Those don't strike me as [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that are [[WP:V#Sources|independent]] of the subject, and no sources other than guild sites and gaming guide sites can be found, resulting in an article that states what DKP is, but not its impact on gaming or the real world. The arguments for keeping in the past consisted of "[[WP:ILIKEIT|I like it]]," "[[WP:USEFUL|It's useful]]" and "[[WP:BIGNUMBER|Lots of people play WoW]]." The article would work well on a gaming wiki such as [http://www.wowwiki.com WoWWiki], but not here. [[User:Phony Saint|Phony Saint]] 18:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

:I was hoping not to see this one on AfD again for a bit, and considered suggesting it's too early to put this one through the AfD grinder again so soon - but given the changes made to the article I suppose it's appropriate. I was the nominator for the previous 2 AfD's, and both times my beef was that the article was a massive [[WP:OR]] piece and a repository for links to guild websites. Since the second AfD, I have made an attempt to rewrite the article and purge the OR elements. While I feel it is a massive improvement in terms of the issues I had with it, there is still the issue of [[WP:N|notability]] and encyclopedic content. Regarding N, my gut reaction is to say "Yes, this is notable. It is a well known concept within the context of MMORPG's." That said, the problem is that the concept is ''only'' notable within the context of the games and to date there is a paucity of reliable, secondary, independent sources to satisfy notability guidelines. Secondly, as the closer of the last AfD stated, this article needs to focus on encyclopedic content - history of the subject, measurable impact it has had, etc - and less on descriptive analysis and, essentially, "game guide material." My attempts to remove OR material and apply the given sources appropriately still don't do much at all to alleviate the fact that this is material still better suited to a game guide, such as Wowwiki as suggested by the nom, than a general knowledge encyclopedia like Wikipedia.

'''Piedmont''' is the plateau region of the eastern [[United States]] which lies between the [[Atlantic Coastal Plain]], from which it is divided by the [[fall line]], and the eastern mountain ranges, the [[Appalachian Mountains]]. The width of the Piedmont varies, being quite narrow above the [[Delaware River]] (and non-existent above the [[Hudson River]]), but nearly 300 miles (475 km) wide in the [[U.S. state|state]] of [[North Carolina]]. The Piedmont region of North Carolina consists of three major metropolitan areas: the [[Piedmont Triad]], [[Metrolina]], and the [[Research Triangle]], all of which contribute to a geographical phoenomenon known as the [[Piedmont Crescent]].

:I dislike the conundrum that this article presents. As demonstrated by the previous nominations, there is little community consensus to delete this information, and I don't percieve that as changing. On the other hand there is the undeniable fact that this article suffers from a number of problems with regards to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, also well demonstrated by the previous nominations. It feels like an unecessary stalemate where we are saying "Yeah, this article is a mess and no one knows how to fix it, but we can't delete it either, so it's a no-consensus conclusion." I find the continual lack of consensus dissatisfying. I cannot quite endorse the article as it stands but also cannot deny that deletion would be in contravention to consensus. There must be a solution. To that end I am forced to suggest stripping this down to a barebones definition (sans the detailed analysis) and '''merging''' the resultant definition into [[Massively multiplayer online role-playing game terms and acronyms]], while retaining this as a redirect and allowing for future recreation ''if'' and ''when'' the reliable secondary sources to establish an encyclopedic (not game-guide material) article. If the agreeable, stripped-down definition is still too large to merge, then retain it as a stub. [[User:Arkyan|<b><font color="#0000FF">Ark</font><font color="#6060BF">yan</font></b>]] &#149; [[User_talk:Arkyan|^(talk)]] 19:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The surface relief of the Piedmont is characterized by relatively low, rolling hills with heights above [[sea level]] between 200 feet (50 m) and 800 feet to 1000 feet (250 m to 300 m). Its [[geology]] is complex, with numerous rock formations of different materials and ages intermingled with one another. Essentially, the Piedmont is the remnant of several ancient [[Mountain range|mountain chains]] that have since been eroded away. Geologists have identified at least five separate events which have led to [[sediment]] deposition, including the [[Grenville orogeny]] (the collision of continents when the [[supercontinent]] [[Rodinia]] was formed) and the [[Appalachian orogeny]] during the formation of [[Pangaea]]. The last major event in the history of the Piedmont was the break-up of Pangaea, when [[North America]] and [[Africa]] began to separate. Large [[sedimentary basin|basins]] formed from the [[rift]]ing and were subsequently filled by the sediments shed from the surrounding higher ground. The series of [[mesozoic]] basins is almost entirely located within the Piedmont region.

*'''comment''' the problem with such merges is that they usually lead to loss of content, & the good material is more extensive than the single paragraph that would fit there. And that article is quite long already. I think that we need to find a better way or organizing its, though it's not really my area of expertise. (I note that we can probably expect academic studies etc etc. in future years--they would eventually justify good articles.)'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 20:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

In the Southeast, the Piedmont is marked by red, iron-stained clay--weathered from the granitic bedrock beneath and uncovered by generations of poor farming practices{{Fact|date=March 2007}}. The [[Cecil (soil)|Cecil soil series]] is representative.

The name "Piedmont" derives from the [[Italy|Italian]] region of [[Piedmont (Italy)|Piedmont]] (in [[Italian language|Italian]]: ''Piemonte''), whose meaning is ''to the feet of the mountains'' because of its characteristic geographical position, a plain surrounded by the [[Alps]].

== Music ==

The Piedmont region is closely associated with the [[blues]] style that originated there in the early part of the 19th century. Most Piedmont blues musicians came from Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia. During the [[Great Migration (African American)|Great Migration]], Black Americans migrated to the Piedmont. With the Appalachian Mountains to the west, those who may otherwise have spread into rural areas instead stayed in cities and were thus exposed to a broader mixture of music than those in, for example, the rural Mississippi delta. Thus, [[Piedmont blues]] was influenced by white forms such as ragtime, country, and popular songs, forms that had comparatively less bearing on blues in other regions.

Piedmont is also characteristic of a style of dance known as the Cake Walk or the Slow Drag, which originated based on the local culture and community.

== Further reading ==

*Michael A. Godfrey (1997). ''Field Guide to the Piedmont.'' Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press. 524 pages. ISBN 0-8078-4671-6.

* http://www.hiltonpond.org - Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History

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