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'''Keith Windschuttle''' (born [[1942]]) is an [[Australia]]n writer who is the author of several books, including ''Unemployment'' (1979) which analyses the economic causes and social consequences of [[unemployment]] in Australia, ''The Media: a New Analysis of the Press, Television, Radio and Advertising in Australia'' (1984) on the political economy and content of the news and entertainment media, ''The Killing of History'', (1994), a critique of [[postmodernism]] in history, ''The Fabrication of Aboriginal History'' (2002) which accuses a number of Australian historians of falsifying and inventing the degree of violence in the past, and ''The White Australia Policy'' (2004), a history of that policy which argues that academic historians have exaggerated the degree of [[racism]] in Australian history.

Okay, so - there are two episode list articles for this series, [[Episodes of The O.C.]] and [[O.C. Episodes]]. This article has more information, so any extra stuff in the other one needs to be copied across, and then "O.C. Episodes" needs to be deleted. I have no knowledge of this programme so i cant really do it myself. I think this one then needs to be renamed to "List of The O.C. episodes" as its a more conventional name for episode lists (which i cant do because theres already a redirect page there). -- <span style="border:1px solid #ccc;background:#eee; padding:1px">[[User:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold">jeffthejiff</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:80%;color:#999">([[User_talk:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#999;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I realise people are spending a lot of time on this page; it's good work. I don't want to interupt and mess up your work. However, is there any way someone could put per-series episode numbers in here? It would probably be more useful than the overall episode number in most cases. For example; "s03e17" as well as "68".--[[User:CalPaterson|CalPaterson]] 21:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

==Biography==

I agree with Cal on the S(season)E(episode #) idea. I also think that we should create a suitable template and start making episode articles.--[[User:Rikkyc|Rikkyc]] 03:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

After education at [[Canterbury Boys High School]] (where he was a contemporary of conservative politician [[John Howard]]), Windschuttle was a journalist on newspapers and magazines in Sydney. He completed a BA (first class honours in history) at the [[University of Sydney]] in [[1969]], and an MA (honours in politics) at [[Macquarie University]] in [[1978]]. In [[1973]], he became tutor in Australian history at the [[University of New South Wales]] (UNSW). Between [[1977]] and [[1981]], Windschuttle was lecturer in Australian history and in journalism at the New South Wales Institute of Technology, now [[University of Technology, Sydney]] before returning to UNSW in [[1983]] as lecturer/senior lecturer in social policy. He resigned from UNSW in 1993. Since then he has been publisher of Macleay Press and a regular visiting and guest lecturer on history and [[historiography]] at American universities. In June 2006 he was appointed to the Board of the [[Australian Broadcasting Corporation]] (ABC), Australia's non-commercial public broadcaster.

I have added the merge tag to [[The O.C. episode plotlines]] and after a few days, if I have no arguments, I will just use the content from this article and redirect that one to this. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 00:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

==Political evolution==

:[[The O.C. episode plotlines]] has been merged with this one and redirected here. There was no info from the other page that I found would be useful here. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 12:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

An adherent of the New Left in the 1960s and 70s, Windschuttle later moved to the right. This process is first evident in his 1984 book ''The Media'', which was highly critical of the then academically fashionable Marxist theories of Louis Althusser and Stuart Hall.

==Season 3==

This political evolution has continued since the early 1990s. In ''The Killing of History'', Windschuttle defended the of practices and methods of traditional [[Empiricism|empirical]] history against postmodernism, and praised historians such as [[Henry Reynolds (historian)|Henry Reynolds]]. He currently argues that although at the time he believed that those left-wing historians he praised relied on traditional empirically-oriented approaches, he has subsequently discovered by checking their primary sources that some did not.

Anyone know when/what the last epsiode is ? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 04:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Maybe you should read the article? The final episode is on May 18. Also, Wikipedians don't like people discussing an article's subject on its Talk Page. The Talk Page is only for discussing the article itself. --[[User:Fozi999|Fozi999]] 15:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::I did read the article also what the hell is the point of even having an article if you don't discuss the issue? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 02:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

==Season 4==

His principal argument, evident in ''The Killing of History'' and ''The Fabrication of Aboriginal History'', is that historians on both the left and right of the political spectrum have misrepresented and sometimes fabricated evidence to produce history that supports various political causes.

Should season 4 episodes start being included in the list? Seeing as they haven't aired and rumours still surround the plot, possibly making the episode summaries lack factual accuracy -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 18:02 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:The current text doesnt really spoil anything and is sourced from a reliable source. It also does not reveal much. It has been okay in other Lists.. so it should be o.k here. <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><small>[[User:MatthewFenton|'''<font color="#000000">Matthew Fenton</font>''']] ([[User_talk:MatthewFenton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|Contribs]])</small></font> 18:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::I still don't think season 4 episodes should be added yet. [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] made a good point on the talk page of the main [[Talk:The_O.C.#.22Spoilers.22_for_season_4|O.C.]] article by stating that the source of the season 4 spoilers isn't even appropriate for Wikipedia and that verifiable facts and viewpoints should be presented, not unconfirmed rumours, and especially not as fact. Furthermore, stressing the fact that [[WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. Therefore I think the season 4 episodes should be removed from this article for now, until the season 4 episodes have aired, only then when all the facts be known. -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 13:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Windschuttle argues that the task of the historian is to attempt to provide the reader with an empirical history as near to the "[[Objectivity (philosophy)|objective truth]]" as possible, based on analysis of all the available evidence. The political implications of an objective, empirical history are not the empirical historian's responsibility. A historian may have his or her own political beliefs but this should never lead them to falsify historical evidence.

:Reveretd and isnerted {Future television}. <font face="Tahoma">[[User:MatthewFenton|{{{2|MatthewFenton}}}]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</font> 13:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

::What was the reliable source? FOX is a reliable source, but none of the fansites or spoiler sites are. The titles for the eps are fine, they seemed to be accurate enough last season, but the details are just rumour, unless, as the template says, they came from interviews or preview clips. (Even then, it's kinda murky; This is Wikipedia, afterall, not TV.com... [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] 23:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Individual Episode Pages ==

However, critics such as the contributors to ''Whitewash'', have argued that Windschuttle does not follow his own criteria as, in their view, his work invariably produces findings consistent with his political views. The contributors to ''Whitewash'' include historians whom Windschuttle has directly criticised for "fabricating" history. The key issue is whether the historical evidence, viewed objectively, supports the historical arguments made by Windschuttle or those of the historians he has criticised.

Everyone of the episode pages needs work. There are no cites, extended plots, and information that is best left out all together. Whoever is monitoring this page and those pages should read this [[Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes]]. This is the policy created to establish guidelines for episode pages. If you do not have well referenced material try developing Seasonal pages until you do. [[User:Bignole|Bignole]] 12:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

A frequent contributor to conservative magazines ''[[Quadrant]]'' and ''[[The New Criterion]]'', Windschuttle's recent research disputes whether the colonial settlers of Australia committed widespread genocide against the [[Indigenous Australians]] and denies the claims by some [[left-wing]] historians that there was a campaign of guerrilla warfare against British settlement. Extensive debate on his claims has come to be called the [[History Wars]]. He rebuts assertions, which he imputes to the current generation of academic historians, that there was any resemblance between racial attitudes in Australia and those of [[South Africa]] under [[apartheid]] and [[Germany]] under the [[Nazism|Nazis]].

== To do.. ==

==''The Fabrication of Aboriginal History''==

{{see also|History Wars}}

''The Fabrication of Aboriginal History, Volume One: Van Diemen's Land 1803-1847'' is a review of published research on the history of violence between indigenous Australians and white colonists. The book focuses primarily on Tasmanian history and the massacres and violence reported there. Windschuttle denies many of the claims made by historians such as [[Henry Reynolds (historian)|Henry Reynolds]] and [[Lyndall Ryan]]. In reviewing the citations made by historians, he claims that many are inaccurate, misleading, falsified and sometimes invented. In a number of cases, the primary sources footnoted do not support the claims made in the text. He argues that the colonial settlers of Australia did not commit widespread [[List of massacres of indigenous Australians|massacres]] against [[Indigenous Australians]], and that there was not a campaign of [[guerrilla warfare]] against British settlement. His review focuses in large part on the [[Black War]] against the [[Tasmanian Aborigine|Aborigine]]s of Tasmania.

We need to convert all episode images to wide-screen. We should consider converting to {{tl|Episode list}} and getting all episode summaries down to 2 lines maximum.. keeping longer synopses to the individual pages. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 16:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Windschuttle's claims and research have been the subject of a series of rebuttals and counter-rebuttals. The best known is ''Whitewash. On Keith Windschuttle's Fabrication of Aboriginal History'', an anthology edited and introduced by [[Robert Manne]], professor of politics at La Trobe University, with contributions from other Australian historians. Another book, ''Washout: On the academic response to The Fabrication of Aboriginal History'' by Melbourne freelance writer John Dawson, argues that ''Whitewash'' leaves Windschuttle's claims and research unrefuted.

: What's the best way of converting all the images to wide-screen? I've got ALL the episodes on DVD, so I can do it, but I need to know how big the wide-screen images should be and how I should add them to the article (should I just replace the existing images?) [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 16:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:If you have them on DVD that's great - the best way is to upload a new version over the present (click the image and scroll to the bottom) - Generally when getting images I resize to 66.77% of the original (thats around the size of most of these/the season 4 ones) - ones that need doing are: [[:Image:OC-101.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-103.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-112a.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-111.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-215.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-223.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-304.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-305.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-307.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-309.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-310.JPG]] - All the others should be a'okay - When all synopsises are trimmed down and the tables are converted it should start looking pretty good :) - Hoepfully ill be able to do some work converting them soon. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 17:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:: I've just uploaded a new version of [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], let me if that's what you want, and I'll do the others, except for season 1, because I don't have the wide-screen version of that (only the regular 720x480 version). [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 15:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::: That looks awesome :-) <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 15:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I have spent the past few hours converting the article to {{tl|Episode list}}. If possible could someone please find a 720x480 pixel image for each of the screenshots, as that would suit the new layout very well. Also could all the episode summaries be shrunk down to 3 lines. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

:I have spent a further few hours adding new screenshots for the majority of episodes in 720x480 resolution. There are a few screenshots however, of which I cannot find a suitable replacement for. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 05:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

==Episode Title Errors==

A lot of the episode titles aren't what they should be. It seems like whoever named them tried to sum up the plot of the episode, and they didn't use the actual episode title given by Fox or whoever names these episodes.

Ben Kiernan, a native of Austrailia who now heads the Yale Genocide Project, views Windschuttle's work as a case of denial that is consistent with the historical tradition of [[Quadrant]] to deny and cover-up genocides in which Austrailian governments have been implicated. Kiernan contends that these denials in the face of undeniable facts are a function of political priorities. He concludes that, "At bottom, Windschuttle opposes Aboriginal land rights and covers up the history of massacres that strengthens the case for restitution. He recommends assimilation...Yet some aboriginals wish to live on their traditional land and reclaim it. Denial of their land rights favors white claimants such as pastoral and mining corporations. Denial of the genocide too, undercuts Aboriginal claims based on justice."[[http://www.yale.edu/gsp/publications/aborigines.pdf]]

I fixed it.[[User:Seeninator|Seeninator]] 07:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== Title of episode 2.13 ==

==Major publications==

* ''Unemployment: a Social and Political Analysis of the Economic Crisis in Australia'', Penguin, ([[1979]])

* ''Fixing the News'', Cassell, ([[1981]])

* ''The Media: a New Analysis of the Press, Television, Radio and Advertising in Australia'', Penguin, ([[1984]], 3rd edn. [[1988]])

* ''Working in the Arts'', University of Queensland Press, ([[1986]])

* ''Local Employment Initiatives: Integrating Social Labour Market and Economic Objectives for Innovative Job Creation'', Australian Government Publishing Service, ([[1987]])

* ''Writing, Researching Communicating'', McGraw-Hill, ([[1988]], 3rd edn. [[1999]])

* ''The Killing of History: How a Discipline is being Murdered by Literary Critics and Social Theorists'', Macleay Press, Sydney ([[1994]]); Macleay Press, Michigan ([[1996]]); Free Press, New York ([[1997]]); Encounter Books, San Francisco ([[2000]])

* ''The Fabrication of Aboriginal History, Volume One: Van Diemen's Land 1803-1847'', Macleay Press, ([[2002]])

* ''The White Australia Policy'', Macleay Press, ([[2004]])

[[User:Adelyna|Adelyna]] and I have been in a minor dispute lately about the name of episode 2.13 which I believe is called "The Test", and Adelyna believes it's called "The Father Knows Best". [http://www.fox.com/oc/recaps/213.htm According to the official website] it's called "The Test", so I'm almost certain I'm right, but Adelyna claims that the DVD of the second season lists it as "The Father Knows Best", but I can't verify this since I don't have the DVD myself. For now I've reverted all of Adelyna's actions, and will continue to do so under the assumption that it's called "The Test" (which would make more sense considering the plot of that episode). Cheers, [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==References==

===Articles===

* ''Contra Windschuttle'', S.G. Foster '''Quadrant''', March 2003, 47:3 [http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=252]

* ''The Whole Truth...?'', P. Francis, '''The Journal of GEOS''', 2000

* ''Whitewash confirms the Fabrication of Aboriginal History'', Keith Windschuttle, '''Quadrant''', October 2003 [http://www.sydneyline.com/Manne%20debate%20Quadrant.htm]

* ''The return of postmodernism in Aboriginal history'', Keith Windschuttle, '''Quadrant''', April 2006 [http://www.sydneyline.com/Return%20of%20Postmodernism.htm]

:I just did a quick Google check, and it appears that the episode is called "The Father Knows Best" on the DVD (see [http://www.amazon.com/O-C-Complete-Second-Season/dp/B0009K7QZ8]), but I think we should stick we the original title, which is also listed on the official website. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==See also==

::Press release has it down as "[http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx?id=20050127fox14 The Test]". [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 07:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

* [[David Horowitz (conservative writer)|David Horowitz]] like Windschuttle, an intellectual who was formerly an active left-winger and is now an active right-winger.

==ExternalSingle linksepisodes==

I plan on redirecting these per [[WP:EPISODE]] soon. Information from multiple secondary sources must be present for a single episode to need an article. This includes reception and development. Single plot summaries and trivia don't make a substantial article. I suggest [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia Wikia] and [http://www.tv.com/ tv.com] as alternate venues for this information. [[User:TTN|TTN]] 21:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

*[http://www.sydneyline.com/ SydneyLine website - recent articles and lectures by Sydney author and publisher, Keith Windschuttle], plus other works and links that pursue similar interests and are conceived within the same tradition

**[http://www.sydneyline.com/Real%20Stuff%20of%20History.htm The Real Stuff of History]

*[http://www.abc.net.au/corp/board/windschuttle.htm ABC Board bio]

== Episode naming ==

I noticed the episodes that need to be disambiguated from other things have the extension ''(The O.C. episode)'' rather than the conventional just ''(The O.C.)''. I would like to move all of the episodes to conform to the [[WP:TV-NC]] standards, but want to make sure I am doing the right thing and that this isn't a special exemption like for ''[[The Simpsons]]'' episode articles. Let me know. '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 05:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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