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==merge with [[The O.C. episode plotlines]]==
==[[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome]] to the [[Wikipedia]]==
Okay, so - there are two episode list articles for this series, [[Episodes of The O.C.]] and [[O.C. Episodes]]. This article has more information, so any extra stuff in the other one needs to be copied across, and then "O.C. Episodes" needs to be deleted. I have no knowledge of this programme so i cant really do it myself. I think this one then needs to be renamed to "List of The O.C. episodes" as its a more conventional name for episode lists (which i cant do because theres already a redirect page there). -- <span style="border:1px solid #ccc;background:#eee; padding:1px">[[User:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold">jeffthejiff</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:80%;color:#999">([[User_talk:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#999;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I noticed you were new, and wanted to share some links I thought useful:
I realise people are spending a lot of time on this page; it's good work. I don't want to interupt and mess up your work. However, is there any way someone could put per-series episode numbers in here? It would probably be more useful than the overall episode number in most cases. For example; "s03e17" as well as "68".--[[User:CalPaterson|CalPaterson]] 21:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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I agree with Cal on the S(season)E(episode #) idea. I also think that we should create a suitable template and start making episode articles.--[[User:Rikkyc|Rikkyc]] 03:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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I have added the merge tag to [[The O.C. episode plotlines]] and after a few days, if I have no arguments, I will just use the content from this article and redirect that one to this. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 00:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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:[[The O.C. episode plotlines]] has been merged with this one and redirected here. There was no info from the other page that I found would be useful here. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 12:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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==Season 3==
Anyone know when/what the last epsiode is ? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 04:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe you should read the article? The final episode is on May 18. Also, Wikipedians don't like people discussing an article's subject on its Talk Page. The Talk Page is only for discussing the article itself. --[[User:Fozi999|Fozi999]] 15:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::I did read the article also what the hell is the point of even having an article if you don't discuss the issue? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 02:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
==Season 4==
Should season 4 episodes start being included in the list? Seeing as they haven't aired and rumours still surround the plot, possibly making the episode summaries lack factual accuracy -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 18:02 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:The current text doesnt really spoil anything and is sourced from a reliable source. It also does not reveal much. It has been okay in other Lists.. so it should be o.k here. <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><small>[[User:MatthewFenton|'''<font color="#000000">Matthew Fenton</font>''']] ([[User_talk:MatthewFenton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|Contribs]])</small></font> 18:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::I still don't think season 4 episodes should be added yet. [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] made a good point on the talk page of the main [[Talk:The_O.C.#.22Spoilers.22_for_season_4|O.C.]] article by stating that the source of the season 4 spoilers isn't even appropriate for Wikipedia and that verifiable facts and viewpoints should be presented, not unconfirmed rumours, and especially not as fact. Furthermore, stressing the fact that [[WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. Therefore I think the season 4 episodes should be removed from this article for now, until the season 4 episodes have aired, only then when all the facts be known. -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 13:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Matthew, regarding your recent edit at [[Canada]], please review [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28links%29|Wikipedia Style Manual]]. It advises that you shouldn't over-link, and you shouldn't link ordinary words like "soil". Just link to articles that readers would likely want to follow up on. After you've read this, perhaps you could reconsider those edits. Thanks. [[User:Kevintoronto|Kevintoronto]] 17:12, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Reveretd and isnerted {Future television}. <font face="Tahoma">[[User:MatthewFenton|{{{2|MatthewFenton}}}]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</font> 13:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::What was the reliable source? FOX is a reliable source, but none of the fansites or spoiler sites are. The titles for the eps are fine, they seemed to be accurate enough last season, but the details are just rumour, unless, as the template says, they came from interviews or preview clips. (Even then, it's kinda murky; This is Wikipedia, afterall, not TV.com... [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] 23:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
== Individual Episode Pages ==
No problem, Matthew. I made the same mistake when I first started, too. Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope that you enjoy your time here. [[User:Kevintoronto|Kevintoronto]] 18:18, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Everyone of the episode pages needs work. There are no cites, extended plots, and information that is best left out all together. Whoever is monitoring this page and those pages should read this [[Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes]]. This is the policy created to establish guidelines for episode pages. If you do not have well referenced material try developing Seasonal pages until you do. [[User:Bignole|Bignole]] 12:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
==Edit summary==
== To do.. ==
Thank you for your categorisation work. I have a small request. Would you mind putting an [[edit summary]], if an edit is not minor, or clicking the "minor edit" checkbox if it is a minor edit. Edit summaries serve a very useful purpose, they notify other people what you have changed and it can save us the trouble of actually taking the diffs to see what is going on. Thanks a lot. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 19:16, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: And a quick remark. If a math article is in a math category, it is kind of unnecessary to put it in [[:Category:Mathematics]] too. This makes [[:Category:Mathematics]] quite big. Thanks. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]]
We need to convert all episode images to wide-screen. We should consider converting to {{tl|Episode list}} and getting all episode summaries down to 2 lines maximum.. keeping longer synopses to the individual pages. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 16:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
===will oblige on categorizing===
: What's the best way of converting all the images to wide-screen? I've got ALL the episodes on DVD, so I can do it, but I need to know how big the wide-screen images should be and how I should add them to the article (should I just replace the existing images?) [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 16:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
i see your point now on how better to categorize articles, in particular with the [[calculus]] article. regards [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 01:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:If you have them on DVD that's great - the best way is to upload a new version over the present (click the image and scroll to the bottom) - Generally when getting images I resize to 66.77% of the original (thats around the size of most of these/the season 4 ones) - ones that need doing are: [[:Image:OC-101.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-103.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-112a.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-111.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-215.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-223.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-304.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-305.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-307.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-309.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-310.JPG]] - All the others should be a'okay - When all synopsises are trimmed down and the tables are converted it should start looking pretty good :) - Hoepfully ill be able to do some work converting them soon. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 17:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
:: I've just uploaded a new version of [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], let me if that's what you want, and I'll do the others, except for season 1, because I don't have the wide-screen version of that (only the regular 720x480 version). [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 15:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::: That looks awesome :-) <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 15:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have spent the past few hours converting the article to {{tl|Episode list}}. If possible could someone please find a 720x480 pixel image for each of the screenshots, as that would suit the new layout very well. Also could all the episode summaries be shrunk down to 3 lines. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:I have spent a further few hours adding new screenshots for the majority of episodes in 720x480 resolution. There are a few screenshots however, of which I cannot find a suitable replacement for. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 05:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
==Episode Title Errors==
: Sounds good. I could have been more diplomatic though. I hope the reversion in [[calculus]] did not make you too mad. Cheers, [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 01:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A lot of the episode titles aren't what they should be. It seems like whoever named them tried to sum up the plot of the episode, and they didn't use the actual episode title given by Fox or whoever names these episodes.
=="Finals" tournament==
I fixed it.[[User:Seeninator|Seeninator]] 07:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mayumashu, "''finals'' tournament" is just not proper English. "Tournament finals" is, but it's also a bit over-complicating things. In fact, "final tournament" is correct, as opposed to "final match". Also, when you say "Euro 2004", you imply the final tournament, so no need to add the word there. Sorry to nitpick. --[[User:Dryazan|Dryazan]] 12:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
== Title of episode 2.13 ==
Mayumashu, I completely understand what you're talking about. The way "final" can refer to either the game or the tournament is confusing. However, "Finals tournament" makes NO SENSE in American English, whereas "Final tournament" can make sense in British English, as far as I know (and "Tournament finals" makes sense in both, but it also sounds a bit cludgy). While there's no need to push one time of English over another on Wikipedia, it just makes sense (for me, at least) to avoid a phrase which is gramatically incorrect for a larger percentage of Wikipedia's readers. And since RSSSF uses "Final tournament", and so did these pages for months without anything complaining, we should probably go with that. --[[User:Dryazan|Dryazan]] 14:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[[User:Adelyna|Adelyna]] and I have been in a minor dispute lately about the name of episode 2.13 which I believe is called "The Test", and Adelyna believes it's called "The Father Knows Best". [http://www.fox.com/oc/recaps/213.htm According to the official website] it's called "The Test", so I'm almost certain I'm right, but Adelyna claims that the DVD of the second season lists it as "The Father Knows Best", but I can't verify this since I don't have the DVD myself. For now I've reverted all of Adelyna's actions, and will continue to do so under the assumption that it's called "The Test" (which would make more sense considering the plot of that episode). Cheers, [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
== Japan Intro ==
:Please explain why you changed this paragraph. Check the facts before changing things. As I wrote, there are a FEW island chains extending away from the mainland, but there NOT a few islands extending away from the mainland. Check how many islands there are in Okinawa. Not few (over 300). Also, mentioning Ryukyu Islands and Okinawan islands in one sentence is also redundant because the Okinawan islands is part of the Ryukyu islands. Change it back. [[User:Photojpn.org|Photojpn.org]] 04:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:I just did a quick Google check, and it appears that the episode is called "The Father Knows Best" on the DVD (see [http://www.amazon.com/O-C-Complete-Second-Season/dp/B0009K7QZ8]), but I think we should stick we the original title, which is also listed on the official website. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid getting it "straighter" compared to getting it "straight" is not enough. You introduced another misleading element by saying "some islands." I wouldn't call hundreds of islands "some." There is no need to quantify it. And your sentence "the lower portion of an island chain known as the Ryukyu Islands, which comprise Okinawa prefecture," is too wordy and unnecessary.
::Press release has it down as "[http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx?id=20050127fox14 The Test]". [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 07:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
==Single episodes==
The reason why I included Izu/Ogasawara is because the previous version implied that there was only one island chain (Okinawa) extending from the mainland. I wanted to affirm that that wasn't the case.
I plan on redirecting these per [[WP:EPISODE]] soon. Information from multiple secondary sources must be present for a single episode to need an article. This includes reception and development. Single plot summaries and trivia don't make a substantial article. I suggest [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia Wikia] and [http://www.tv.com/ tv.com] as alternate venues for this information. [[User:TTN|TTN]] 21:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
== Episode naming ==
Please change it back to my original text. There was nothing wrong with it. [[User:Photojpn.org|Photojpn.org]] 23:44, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I noticed the episodes that need to be disambiguated from other things have the extension ''(The O.C. episode)'' rather than the conventional just ''(The O.C.)''. I would like to move all of the episodes to conform to the [[WP:TV-NC]] standards, but want to make sure I am doing the right thing and that this isn't a special exemption like for ''[[The Simpsons]]'' episode articles. Let me know. '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 05:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:I cannot even fully understand your replies. "i resent being told i have my facts wrong when i had but one so." What does that mean? I'm sure you're a nice guy in person, but obviously you are not a very good writer. This matter is not even worth posting on the Japan discussion page. [[User:Photojpn.org|Photojpn.org]] 02:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==Flags==
Hello, the flags are where the players' home towns are, not where they are born. I used the Canadian Soccer website for this infor, and when it was not listed, I did an internet search. -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 17:34, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==Diacritics==
You can use the characters below the edit box - not as fast as typing but it still works. So for example the first five are ÁáÉéÍ. --[[User:Henrygb|Henrygb]] 10:17, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==footy terminology==
Dear Forbsey, a quicky if i may - do Scots call an international (someone who plays for the national side), an internationist? i ve run into the term now a few times and saw where you used it when starting up the page for my favourite soccer player, Gary McAllister, that you used the term. i m wondering if it s a term particularly Scottish or what, as far as you know. appreciate the help, [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 16:15, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:Hi Mayumashu. The term 'internationalist' is used by be personally but I wouldn't say that it was generally used by Scots. More people probably say 'international' when describing an international player but both terms are palatable. However feel free to change it if you feel that 'international' is more relavent in terms of common football jargon.
:[[User:Forbsey|Forbsey]] 22:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
== Statlers ==
Yep, they were great, and I was a ''huge'' fan of their comedy. [[User:Rlquall|Rlquall]] 02:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
== Nova Scotians by Occupation ==
Hi Mayumashu. I notice you have been using a lot of "Nova Scotian by occupation" type categorizations. While there is precedent for having a People from Nova Scotia cat, breaking it down by occupation is way way overdoing it. There was considerable debate even if occupations should have been broken down by nationality. I strongly recommend that you depopulate these categories (move to the appropriate Canadian by Occupation cats) and put them up for Categories for Deletion. [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 11:38, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
:Hi, I noticed you added the CfD notice to the categories, but didn't list them at [[WP:CFD]]. Just wanted to let you know that if they aren't listed there, they won't be deleted. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
== Athletes cats ==
Hi again Matthew - I see you have been continuing your good work with categorization. For the Canadian track athletes cat though, what do you think about the idea, for consistency, of removing the Canadian track athlete cat from Occupations by nationality and make it instead a subcat of Canadian sportspeople cat? [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
== Categories for deletion ==
Hi. Just wanted to let you know that simply adding the cfd notice to a category will not delete them. You need to also list the category at [[WP:CFD]]. I'll remove the tag for now. If you definitely want to bring the categories up for deletion, please re-add the tag and list it properly. Thanks. BTW, if you need help with this, I'll be happy to lend a hand. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 17:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
*Hi, I noticed you marked [[:Category:American tennis coaches]] for deletion but never added it to [[WP:CFD]]. I've removed the tag for now. If you definitely wanted to delete this category, please make sure you complete both parts of the procedure. Thanks! --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 17:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
== Categories and parents ==
I noticed you added Nova Scotia to Halifax Int. Airport. However, that article is already in Nova Scotia via the Airports-->Transport-->Nova Scotia route, and by policy we don't add articles to parents of cats that they are already in. Hope this clears this up. Cheers. [[User:Burgundavia|Burgundavia]] <small>([[User talk:Burgundavia|✈ take a flight?]])</small> 23:44, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
*You have to dig a little bit, but here it is "An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory" Cheers. [[User:Burgundavia|Burgundavia]] <small>([[User talk:Burgundavia|✈ take a flight?]])</small> 08:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
== Manchester United/History of Manchester United ==
Hi,
I noticed you'd been working on Man United-related pages and could do with your opinion on something.
The history section was split out of the page last year (I think) but someone then wrote another history section in the main page. Both pages are now well over the recommended maximum size for a Wikipedia article, and it's getting to the stage where I suspect people are editing them without reading them all the way through (which would explain why the Glazer takeover is mentioned twice in [[Manchester United]], in roughly the same amount of detail each time.
So, my idea is to create new pages for different eras in United's history, merge the relevant bits of [[Alex Ferguson]], [[History of Manchester United]] and the History section of [[Manchester United]] into each new page and put summaries of each new page on Manchester United, with comments asking people not to make the summaries too long. The new articles would have titles like:
*Manchester United pre-1945
*Manchester United 1945-1968
*Manchester United 1968-1986
*Manchester United 1986-present
I think something like this is necessary to keep the pages manageable, but obviously don't want to make such big changes to other people's work without hearing what people think first. Please let me know what you think, at the [[Talk:Manchester_United_F.C.|Manchester United talk page.]]
Thanks, [[User:Cantthinkofagoodname|Cantthinkofagoodname]] 11:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
== For your information... ==
Blanking pages does not delete them; I'm refering to your blanking of a few redirects to [[Professional Tennis Championships]], ie [[Hans Gildemeister]]. There is a procedure for deleting pages: [[WP:RfD]], [[WP:IfD]] and [[WP:VfD]]. Please follow it next time. Thanks! '''[[User:Humblefool|humble]]'''[[User talk:Humblefool|fool]][[Special:Randompage|®]] 03:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
== [[Bruce Barnes]] ==
Please do not blank articles without providing some rationale in their discussion page. To do otherwise is vandm at [[WP:CFD]]. Just wanted to let you know that if they aren't listed there, they won't be deleted. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
== Athletes cats ==
Hi again Matthew - I see you have been continuing your good work with categorization. For the Canadian track athletes cat though, what do you think about the idea, for consistency, of removing the Canadian track athlete cat from Occupations by nationality and make it instead a subcat of Canadian sportspeople cat? [[User:Fawcett5|Fawcett5]] 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
== Categories for deletion ==
Hi. Just wanted to let you know that simply adding the cfd notice to a category will not delete them. You need to also list the category at [[WP:CFD]]. I'll remove the tag for now. If you definitely want to bring the categories up
== Central Economy ==
Page 33 L16 of my Atlantic Canada Road Atlas First Edition by MapArt Publishing. I can scan it in for you if you want to see it. -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 01:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, alright I will scan it in. I have to install my scanner again, since I havent used it in a while. I reckon it's just an alternate name for economy, as I dont believe my atlas shows Economy. Best regards. -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 02:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Mmmkay, I wasnt able to get the software working, because my computer collapsed while I was trying to load it, but I did take a photograph of the page, which works just as fine. -- [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|20px]] [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 03:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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==Categories==
Regarding your edits to [[:Category:Cape Breton Island]], I just wanted to clarify that Wikipedia actually has very explicit rules about how the category system is applied -- namely, an article should never be simultaneously filed in both a category and a subcategory of that same category. The rule is always that you file an article ''only'' in the narrowest appropriate categories that don't directly duplicate each other's informational purpose. In this case, the actual appropriate category is [[:Category:Islands of Nova Scotia]]; since it's in there, it ''doesn't'' also go in "Islands of Canada", "Nova Scotia" or "Canada" since "Islands of Nova Scotia" is ''already'' part of the subcategory tree of all of those. This isn't just a matter of my own personal opinion, by the way -- it's actual Wikipedia policy regarding category management. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 04:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
==Categories and double spacing==
I've noticed that while you've been adding cats and footers to articles, you've been double spacing between them and all the sections. This is not necessary, is non-standard and in truth, makes the article harder to read. Could you please refrain from inserting double spaces between sections? Thanks. [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 16:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
::If I understand correctly, you said you'll continue to insert double spacing into articles even though you're aware most do not contain it? Are you aware you're not following consensus? [[User:Wyss|Wyss]] 09:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
:Double spacing is not a good idea, for several reasons. The most important one is that the convention (implicit or explicit, it doesn't matter) here is to use single spacing. Whether or not there is a rule that specifically prohibits it is irrelevant: by using double spacing you create more work for other editors, because they will feel compelled to clean up after you. So please try to follow the conventions and editing practices employed in the [[WP:FA|best articles]] on Wikipedia. Insisting that you are right and everybody else is wrong is generally unwise and doing things your way could easily be seen as [[WP:POINT|disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point]]. Re-adding blank lines is an especially bad idea.
"Whoever" this is that made the above reply, let me say that i have never i conveyed (explicitly nor implicitly, whichever) that others are wrong and i am right on the aesthetics of single versus double spacing between sections. the truth is i should not edit the way articles written by others are spaced nor should wiki editors (i m guessing you have this or a similar position) edit for so-called blank spaces. i ve been disruptive according to the policy you ve cited above ([[WP:POINT|disrupting ...), true. Ironically enough however, the first point the page makes is that there are inconsistencies through the encycl.. editing out double spacing for single spacing because of a consensus among editors and the like (not users at large) is equally disruptive. i will set my default style sheet as suggested by the user who s replied below and i wonder why you, my fellow pedantics, will do the same. - [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 04:16:59, 2005-08-04 (UTC)
::The above was the first paragraph of my message. People remove extra blank spaces all the time. The reason is consistency: if I want more space, I can adjust it in my user stylesheet. But that only gives consistent results if the underlying text uses single spacing. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 05:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
:Other reasons why adding blank lines before section headings is bad are that it creates inconsitencies across the project and that it takes control over the layout away from readers. The latter is because you can easily adjust the layout of articles by using a custom [[CSS]] style sheet. If you prefer double spacing when reading articles, I suggest you modify the default style sheet according to your preferences. See [[m:Help:User style]] for further details. Cheers, --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 19:18, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
You need to edit [[User:Mayumashu/monobook.css]]. Try adding the following content (copy this from the rendered HTML page, not from the raw wikitext, though):
<nowiki>
/* <pre><nowiki> */
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
margin-top: 2em;
}
.firstHeading {
margin-top: 0px;
}
/* </nowiki></pre> */
</nowiki>
If you want more or less space, adjust the "margin-top" property. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 05:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
== Sir Edward Knatchbull ==
Hello there. [[Edward Knatchbull]] belongs in [[:Category:Baronets in the Baronetage of England]] because the baronetcy which he inherited was created in [[1641]]. Why did you change the category? [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 10:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Same thing with [[Robert Peel]]. The baronetcy was created in [[1800]], right before the Act of Union, which places it in Great Britain, not the United Kingdom. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 10:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I shouldn't have removed the Natives of Lancashire category. That was my mistake. I'll restore it at once. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 11:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
== Argentine people ==
Please, bear in mind that [[:Category:Argentine people]] should not be just categorised by their city/province of birth, but also by more important things such as [[:Category:Argentine people by occupation]]. If the article has no other Argentine category, perhaps it would be better to give it a (id needed new) sub category of ''by occupation''. thenks, [[User:Marianocecowski|Mariano]] 12:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
== Category change on [[Robert Clark (actor)]] ==
I'm curious as to why you changed one of the categories on the article [[Robert Clark (actor)]] from "People of Ontario" to "Toronto people". As the article states, Clark was born in [[Oakville, Ontario]] (which is in the [[Greater Toronto Area]], but is not in Toronto itself), and then moved to Florida, and then back up to Ontario (but not to Toronto). I could find no evidence to suggest that he ever lived in the city of Toronto. Although I backed up my contributions to that article with references, I'm wondering if I got it wrong, and hope that you can clear this up for me. Thanks! [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 14:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I don't live anywhere near Toronto, and I'm not familiar with the geography of the area, so if you think the category should be changed back, then I won't object. Thanks for the information! [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 18:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
==Erroneous entry==
As with the above entry i am requesting that you remove the name of Thomas Browne from your list of Cheshire people. Browne was born in London and lived in Norwich from 1637-1682. I am curious as to how you acquired this misinformation. Please remove entry. From reading the above entries this seems to be a persistent mistake of yours,is Wikipedia really about creating lists, or propogating mistakes. Please ammend.[[User:Norwikian|Norwikian]]
== [[:Category:Canadian linguists]] ==
I saw your changes to [[:Category:Canadian linguists]]. Since you objected to the use of [[Template:Fooian scientist types]], I've changed it back to [[Template:Fooian fooers]]. This moved [[:Category:Canadian linguists]] back into [[:Category:Linguists by nationality]] where it belongs, instead of [[:Category:Linguists]]. I have a [[Template:Fooian social scientist types]] that is in use on [[:Category:American linguists]] that could be a better pick than the fooers template. Would you mind me using that template? The problem with not putting Linguists under Scientists in the national subcategories is that not all national categories have a Social scientists subcat (e.g. [[:Category:Canadian social scientists]] does not exist, but [[:Category:Polish social scientists]] does).
Also, I don't think that [[:Category:Canadian anthropologists]] is accurate, but I left it there. Not all linguists are anthropologists. [[User:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 17:06, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
: P.S. take a look at [[:Category:Canadian scientists]]. It already has a number of social scientist subcats under it: anthropologists, psychologists, and sociologists. I think that linguists belongs there too until [[:Category:Canadian social scientists]] exists. [[User:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 17:10, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
I've started a [[:Category:Social scientists by nationality]]. Please add your new [[:Category:Canadian social scientists]] to this category. [[User:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 17:29, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Canadian mathematics professors]] ==
Hi Mayumashu. I saw that you created this category. I just wonder why you think it was not enough to categorize those articles in [[:Category:Canadian mathematicians]]. From what I know, most mathematicians are mathematics professors. And I think that the absolute majority of mathematics professors who are not serious mathematicians don't deserve an article on Wikipedia. So in my view, [[:Category:Canadian mathematicians]] should have been enough for categorizing the notable Canadian mathematicians who are math professors. I wonder what you think. You can reply here, I will keep a watch on this page. Thank you, [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 02:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
:Hello Oleg. I agree 200% with you, and would now like to do away with the math professor cat as well as all professor cats. i created it to form a link between [[:Category:Canadian professors]] and [[:Category:Canadian academics]], but i ve since changed my mind about the matter. i think that being a prof (in itself) is NOT encyclopedically noteworthy and therefore that there should be no [[:Category:Professors]] cat. anyone who happens to be a prof and encyclopedically noteworthy because of their research contributions should be catted as an academic, according to their field, shouldn t they. i would like to see [[:Category:Professors]] done away with. i m considering doing away with all the canadian prof sub-cats, but it ll take a bit of work and there are other cat work (my little wiki activity now) i m working on. -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 02:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
:: Well, all you need to do is remove the mathematicians from there (put them in [[:Category:Canadian mathematicians]]) and then put a speedy tag in the category, that is <nowiki>{{d}}</nowiki>. That will work because you created it. You can explain in the edit summary or on the category talk page that you don't find it useful anymore. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 03:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
== [[Jack Hanna]] category ==
How is Jack Hanna's relationship to Knoxville more important than his relationship to Ohio? [[:Category:People from Ohio]] isn't just for people who were born there (it's not called "Ohio natives"), and the only subnational place that he's notable in connection with is Ohio, as the director of the Columbus Zoo. His connection to Knoxville is merely trivia to us because he didn't do anything notable there. If he's going to be in a subnational category, Ohio is the only state with which his notability has a significant connection. [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 03:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
== Categorizing people by city ==
I notice that you've created a few of these—why? What do you think is accomplished by categorizing individuals by cities? What do you think the ultimate effect will be? What are your criteria for including them in each city category? Simply having lived there at some time during their lives? Presently living there? [[User:Postdlf|Postdlf]] 14:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I concur. Categories "Natives of Split" and particularly "Natives of Sibenik-Knin" are pointless (the latter is a modern-day county, not a city, even). Please don't do it without prior discussion. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 08:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
== formatting of stub notices ==
If you wish to make {{tl|hoopsbio-stub}} indented, do it there, don't indent it in individual articles using it. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 07:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
== User Categorisation ==
You were listed on the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Canada]] page as living in or being associated with Canada. As part of the [[Wikipedia:User categorisation]] project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit [[:Category:Canadian Wikipedian Expatriates]] for instructions.--[[User:Rmky87|Rmky87]] 01:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
==Irish Chicagoans==
Hi there. If you are still interested [[:Category:Irish Chicagoans]] is currently nominated for deletion:
[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 12]] [[User:Jeff Watts|JW]] 16:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
==[[Edmond Lapierre]]==
Just a minor note on a recent edit of yours -- the Canadian notice board discussed it long ago and decided that [[:Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons]] should not itself contain any articles about individual members, past or present. People should only be filed in one or more appropriate subcategories, because the main category would just be too large and unwieldy otherwise. So the main category should contain ''only'' the subcategories and the list-of-members articles. Thanks. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 06:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
== You put an AfD on a page I wrote in my own userspace -- accusing me of vandalizing my own page ==
You put an AfD on a page I wrote in my own userspace -- accusing me of vandalizing my own page.
See [[Wikipedia:User page#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space]].
"Assume goodwill" we are told. So I am going to assume this was an honest mistake on your part.
Can I count on you fixing it? I'd like you to remove the entry from the AfD list. -- [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] 05:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking care of it. When I wrote you I didn't see what attracted your attention. But afterwards I did.
:I have been monitoring newspaper articles about the detainees in the US "war on terror". And, when I come across an article or two that have enough information in them to write an article I start an article, or contribute to their existing article, if they have one. I started the article on Omar Khadr. And in the last two months a whole bunch more. 48 so far.
:Well. about three weeks ago I had an article I started nominated for AfD. Actually four of them at once. '''"Not notable"''', '''"Anti-American bias"'''... One of the four was deleted. As part of that discussion someone suggested a "[[List of Guantanamo Bay detainees]]". A good idea. I started it. It was nominated for deletion almost right away. It survived. Overwhelming keeps. Just a few deletes. One user cryptically said they had a "concern about sourcing". I made several attempts to learn what this persons concern was -- thinking that they were also going to assume good will.
:Wrong. They misused the copyright violation procedure, submitteing it in bad faith I believe. I continued to be polite, until they started lying in the wikipedia copyright problems page. I became more blunt, and said I thought they were showing bad faith. They didn't respond directly. But they promptly nominated an article I had written about a US soldier, [[Jeffrey Waruch]], who is under investigation for killing a young girl, and seriously wounding her sister and mother. Later today they nominated a second article I had written about a US soldier, [[Carolyn Wood]], the officer who drafted the illegal interrogation procedures that caused so many problems in Iraq. I think this is not a coincidence.
:Anyhow. I made copies of all those articles in my user space. But I overlooked that the links in those article would show up in the "what links here". And it would mess up the categories, etc. So I should tank you for triggering my understanding that I should surround my backup copies with a nowiki...
:When you nominated my backup copy for AfD I did consider that there was a conspiracy to delete or suppress all content that showed the war on terror in a bad light. Lol. --- [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] 06:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
==[[Osias Godin]]==
People are not supposed to be simultaneously filed in parent categories and subcategories of the same parent. We do not file MPs directly in [[:Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons]]; we file them in subcategories by their province and political party only. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 18:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
: Sorry...looks like you did this ''before'' I noted this above re: [[Edmond Lapierre]]; I just can't figure out why it wasn't showing up in the master category at the time. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 18:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Any mistakes i have made in filing MPs is merely accidental for i do a lot of filing and fully intend to file MPs by province. Apologies for my carelessness with the one or two you ve brought up. -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 02:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
==Irish British category vote requested==
Hi I noticed you voted to keep Scottish-Americans I would appreciate your help to retain [[:Category:Irish British people]], as I feel is perfectly valid to point out Irish people or people of near Irish descent who have contributed to life in Great Britain (England Scotland and Wales). [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people]] Thanks!! [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 01:25, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for your message. Would you consider voting for a rename [[:Category:Irish diaspora in Great Britain]], Irish diaspora is a widely used phrase and doesn't place an indication of citizensip which the other name gave so I think this is acceptable. [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people]] Thanks [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 10:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Manhattanites]], etc. ==
Hi. When you add [[:Category:Manhattanites]], e.g. to a person who already has [[:Category:People from New York City]], you should delete the latter category, since [[:Category:Manhattanites]] belongs to [[:Category:People from New York City]]. Let me know if this doesn't make sense. TIA, -- [[User:Mwanner|Mwanner]] | [[User talk:Mwanner|Talk]] 00:07, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
:I have been - i apologize if i missed one.-[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 03:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
==Irish British eureka moment==
Hi Mayumashu I think I've finally worked out the best solution to resolve the disagreement on this category. We should split this category into [[:Category:People of Irish descent in Great Britain]], and [[:Category:Irish people in Great Britain]] for people who live in Great Britain who call(ed) themselves Irish (whether they were born or grew up in the [[Republic of Ireland]], [[Northern Ireland]]or born to ex pats abroad who now live in Great Britain). I would appreciate if you could support the new proposal at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people__Category:Britons_of_Irish_descent_Category:Irish_diaspora_in_Great_Britain]]. Thanks [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 14:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
== Please stop! ==
Please stop creating new categories for traditional counties of Scotland, and re-allocating people to them from modern council areas. This has already been a subject for debate at Cfd recently, when [[:Category:Natives of Lanarkshire]] was deleted. Please raise the issue at [[Wikipedia Talk:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board]]. We must come to a consensus on this one, because having two parallel systems is very confusing. It must be pointed out that traditional counties have not existed for 30 years, and the new council areas seem here to stay because no political party wants to change them.--[[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] 15:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:i m only relocating individuals who were dead long before there were coucil areas - it s far more confusing to have 19th century people in coucil area cats!! -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 15:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
==Jewish American actors==
Hi, I noticed your vote on this. I just wondered whether you realised that this category contains many people in it have only one parent (or even grandparent in some cases) who was jewish, do not identify themselves as Jewish American and are in other (ethnicity)-American categories. I think it needs to be deleted because it doesn't make sense that a person who does not identify as wholly jewish could be described as a jewish american actor such as [[Carrie Fisher]], [[Patricia Arquette]], [[Robert Downey Jr.]], [[Michael Douglas]]. [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 00:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
:it s a problem with all similar categories - the point does not warrant getting rid of the cat, just the pages you ve mentioned plus an explanation as to why you ve removed them as discussion on the page -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 12:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Hi, thnks for your comment on the cfd page. People are being included in Jewish American categories not using the religious requirement that you have a jewish mother but regarding jewish as an ethnicity. So, even if only their father or grandfather was jewish they are being added to this category. It just seems totally non sensical to have people described as jewish american actors if they do not identify as jewish and are also of mixed ancestry like [[Harrison Ford]], [[Carrie Fisher]], [[Michael Douglas]], people like these should be in a category like Americans with Jewish ancestry to avoid these sorts of labelling problems, the same should be done for all the other ethnicity categories. [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 13:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
==American geography by state==
You agreed with me that [[:Category:Hawaiian geography]] should be renamed [[:Category:Geography of Hawaii]]. I have now nominated all the American states for renaming, and if you could find the time to vote in favour, I would be very grateful. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 23:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
==[[Pat Lowther]]==
We've been through the thing about Wikipedia's categorization rules before: [[:Category:Vancouverites]] is already a subcategory of [[:Category:People from British Columbia]]; accordingly, a person ''cannot'' be simultaneously filed in both categories. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 04:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:North Vancouver is a separate city and [[:Category:Vancouverites]] is necessarily both for people of Vancouver and Greater Vancouver, thus the overlapping -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 04:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::If you feel strongly that the possibility of confusion exists, the other alternative would be to put her in "People from British Columbia" ''instead'' of "Vancouverites"; the fundamental problem is that if you worked hard enough, you could find a reason for absolutely every article on Wikipedia to get exempted from the categorization rules. If a category scheme creates too many problems of this type, it doesn't mean we should allow exception after exception; it means the category is badly thought out and should be fundamentally restructured. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 04:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::having her in both is a perfectly fine exception to allow and there aren t that many (perhaps 5%) of pages catting people by their province/city of origin that have this kind of overlap. not everything is always black and white - shades of grey do exist - [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 04:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::No, it really isn't; Wikipedia rules are quite explicit that we just don't simultaneously file an article in both a subcategory and a parent of that same subcategory. When it comes to categorization, a shade of grey just means the contrast needs to be sharpened. Categories should be defined and structured in such a way that "exemptions" are never even ''needed''. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 07:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::then these so-called rules may need to further evolve to reflect realities that exist. there are other cases too. most states have a state writer's subcat. but if a writer happens to also be an actor too, then she or he should rightly appear in both the sub-cat for state writers and its parent cat for people from the state. the rules are but rules of thumb anyway and can be changed given a great enough collective will. User:Bearcat, i come across your edits and commits fairly often and i can tell you we re of different minds on many issues - i know we re not going to sway the other person to change their mind. to sort out the Vancouverite sub cat issue without an overlap, i ll go and start up sub-sub-cats for North Vancouver, New Westminister, Maple Ridge, and other small cities in the Greater Vancouver area despite feeling personally that they are rather smally populated to have cat for the time being - ideally though i d like to all cities eventually have a cat for its natives/inhabitants so now will suffice. i hope despite our differences no hard feelings at all. Regards, -[[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 02:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
== [[James Creelman]] ==
How funny that you're related. I'm actually just now reading a book called ''The Yellow Kids'' about Creelman and other contemporaries. It's fascinating stuff. Feel free to expand the stub if you can; I plan on expanding it quite a lot when I find time next. · [[User:Katefan0|'''Katefan0''']]<sup>[[User talk:Katefan0|(scribble)]]</sup> 16:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
==Categories==
Hi, sorry I missed your comment on my talk amidst the whole kerfuffle. I agree that sometimes it would be useful to have browse a whole category of many occupations like writers, artists, actors, singers without country specifity and much faster thanis currently possible. I think this would need a software change so maybe I or you could suggest it somewhere? Also Re: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:LGBT_criminals]] I would be very grateful if you could reconsider your vote as this category is meaningless as gay people have lived in many eras and countries with different laws (the same applies to Jewish criminals, Catholic criminals etc.). I don't think any blanket criminal category should exist unless it is just a parent cat for more specific crimes. Regards [[User:Arniep|Arniep]] 00:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
== cats for [[Alyn McCauley]] ==
Hi, just wondering if there's any particular reason for your change of <nowiki>[[Category:Canadian ice hockey players|McCauley, Alyn]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Category:Canadian ice hockey players|Mccauley, Alyn]]</nowiki> (without capitalizing the second C). The C definitely ''is'' capitalized... Heck I just saw him playing a game against the Leafs last night on [[Hockey Night in Canada|HNIC]] and his sweater definitely had it capitalized. (Very technically speaking, I suspect the first C should be in superscript, resulting in M<sup>c</sup>Cauley, but that's a minor detail).
The name after the pipe isn't displayed on the category page, so I suppose it doesn't really matter, but I'm just curious if there's a rule I should know about. --[[User:Qviri|Qviri]] 19:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for the explanation! --[[User:Qviri|Qviri]] 04:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
== AfD for [[Kerri Yascheshyn]] ==
You goofed the AfD for [[Kerri Yascheshyn]], putting the text inside your AfD for [[Horses Eat sugar]]. I'll fix it. [[User:Jmason888|Jamie]] 10:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
== NS Communities Project... ==
Would you like to join the Nova Scotia Wikipedia project I am about to start with PlasmaEast? We are planning on launching a NS Community templates for Counties, Towns/Municipalities, and HRM, similar to the template that started appearing this week on county pages [[Halifax County, Nova Scotia]]. Also, have a bi-weekly "Nova Scotia Project Page" to focus efforts. Interested?[[User:WayeMason|WayeMason]] 11:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:sure. templates is not really my interest but they look good to me [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] 23:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:Good! Templates are just my thing. I feel strongly that we could focus our work a bit and bring the whole [[Nova Scotia]] section to a higher standard. [[User:WayeMason|WayeMason]] 23:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Discussion has started on the [[talk:WikiProject Nova Scotia]] article, please head over there and watch the project page! [[User:WayeMason|WayeMason]] 00:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
== Category:Canadian university and college chief executives ==
Hi Mayumashu,
I am in the process of merging the categories [[:Category:Canadian university and college rectors]], [[:Category:Canadian university chancellors and presidents]], and [[:Category:Canadian university and college principals and vice-presidents]] into the new [[:Category:Canadian university and college chief executives]]. I find it very confusing to have three categories for essentially the same position with just different names. I have also created the [[:Category:Canadian university and college chancellors]] since this is more of an honorary position. Let me know if you have any issues with this.
--[[User:YUL89YYZ|YUL89YYZ]] 18:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
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