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==merge with [[The O.C. episode plotlines]]==

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Okay, so - there are two episode list articles for this series, [[Episodes of The O.C.]] and [[O.C. Episodes]]. This article has more information, so any extra stuff in the other one needs to be copied across, and then "O.C. Episodes" needs to be deleted. I have no knowledge of this programme so i cant really do it myself. I think this one then needs to be renamed to "List of The O.C. episodes" as its a more conventional name for episode lists (which i cant do because theres already a redirect page there). -- <span style="border:1px solid #ccc;background:#eee; padding:1px">[[User:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold">jeffthejiff</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:80%;color:#999">([[User_talk:Jeffthejiff|<span style="color:#999;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

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<tr><th align="center" bgcolor=pink>'''Coelacanth'''</th></tr>

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<tr><td>''(image here)''</td></tr>

<tr><th align="center" bgcolor=pink>{{taxonomy}}</th></tr>

I realise people are spending a lot of time on this page; it's good work. I don't want to interupt and mess up your work. However, is there any way someone could put per-series episode numbers in here? It would probably be more useful than the overall episode number in most cases. For example; "s03e17" as well as "68".--[[User:CalPaterson|CalPaterson]] 21:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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<tr><td>{{Regnum}}:</td><td>[[Animal]]ia</td></tr>

<tr><td>{{Phylum}}:</td><td>[[Chordate|Chordata]]</td></tr>

<tr><td>{{Classis}}:</td><td>[[Sarcopterygii]]</td></tr>

<tr><td>{{Ordo}}:</td><td>'''Coelacanthiformes'''</td></tr>

<tr><td>{{Familia}}:</td><td>'''Latimeriidae'''</td></tr>

<tr><td>{{Genus}}:</td><td>'''''Latimeria'''''</td></tr>

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<tr><th align="center" bgcolor=pink>[[Binomial name]]</th></tr>

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''Latimeria chalumnae''<br>

''Latimeria menadoensis''

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'''Coelacanths''' (pronounced see-le-canth), meaning "hollow spine" in Greek, are lobe finned fish with the [[Pectoral fin|pectoral]] and [[anal fin]]s on fleshy stalks, and the tail fin divided into three lobes, the middle one of which also has a stalk. The coelacanth has modified cosmoid [[Scale (zoology)|scale]]s, that are thinner than true cosmoid scales, that can only be found on extinct fish.

About 125 species are known from [[fossil]]s; they were considered to be [[index fossil]]s (i.e. they indicated the age of the rock), extinct since the end of the [[Cretaceous]], until a live one turned up off the east coast of [[South Africa]] in [[1938]]. Coelacanths can be found in the [[Comoros]], [[Sulawesi]] ([[Indonesia]]) and St. Lucia Marine Protected Area (South Africa). These are the oldest living fish that are known to date. They are believed to be the ancestors of many modern day amphibians due to the lobed fins and ___location of the fish.

I agree with Cal on the S(season)E(episode #) idea. I also think that we should create a suitable template and start making episode articles.--[[User:Rikkyc|Rikkyc]] 03:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

==History of the discovery==

===Comoros: First findings===

I have added the merge tag to [[The O.C. episode plotlines]] and after a few days, if I have no arguments, I will just use the content from this article and redirect that one to this. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 00:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

<div style="float:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;text-align:center;">[[image:Coelacanth_and_Courtenay-Latimer.jpg|Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer with the first Coelacanth]]<br>''Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer with the first discovered Coelacanth''</div>

:[[The O.C. episode plotlines]] has been merged with this one and redirected here. There was no info from the other page that I found would be useful here. [[User:Masterpjz9|Masterpjz9]] 12:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

==Season 3==

The gombessa (''Latimeria chalumnae'') was found by [[Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer]] in [[1938]]. A fishing boat caught sharks near the [[Chalumna River]], and Latimer, who was curator of a museum in [[East London]] and often looked for odd fish in the harbor, saw a blue fin under them. She pulled the fish out of the pile and brought it to the museum to find out what kind of fish it was. Professor [[James Leonard Brierley Smith]], the scientist she consulted, was surprised to see the fish because it looked like the coelacanths which were known only from fossils.

Anyone know when/what the last epsiode is ? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 04:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Maybe you should read the article? The final episode is on May 18. Also, Wikipedians don't like people discussing an article's subject on its Talk Page. The Talk Page is only for discussing the article itself. --[[User:Fozi999|Fozi999]] 15:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::I did read the article also what the hell is the point of even having an article if you don't discuss the issue? --[[User:DragonWR12LB|DragonWR12LB]] 02:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

==Season 4==

A worldwide search was launched for more coelacanths, with a reward of 100 British pounds. Fourteen years later, they were found in the [[Comoros]]. The Comorans, in port of Mutsamudu on the Comorian island of Anjouan, were puzzled that someone would pay big money for what the locals called a "mame" or "Gombessa", an inferior fish that their fishermen occasionally caught by mistake.

Should season 4 episodes start being included in the list? Seeing as they haven't aired and rumours still surround the plot, possibly making the episode summaries lack factual accuracy -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 18:02 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:The current text doesnt really spoil anything and is sourced from a reliable source. It also does not reveal much. It has been okay in other Lists.. so it should be o.k here. <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><small>[[User:MatthewFenton|'''<font color="#000000">Matthew Fenton</font>''']] ([[User_talk:MatthewFenton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|Contribs]])</small></font> 18:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::I still don't think season 4 episodes should be added yet. [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] made a good point on the talk page of the main [[Talk:The_O.C.#.22Spoilers.22_for_season_4|O.C.]] article by stating that the source of the season 4 spoilers isn't even appropriate for Wikipedia and that verifiable facts and viewpoints should be presented, not unconfirmed rumours, and especially not as fact. Furthermore, stressing the fact that [[WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. Therefore I think the season 4 episodes should be removed from this article for now, until the season 4 episodes have aired, only then when all the facts be known. -- [[User:Ryan2807|Ryan2807]] 13:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

They now understand the significance of their endangered species and have a program in place to return any accidentally caught gombessa to deep water so that it can survive.

:Reveretd and isnerted {Future television}. <font face="Tahoma">[[User:MatthewFenton|{{{2|MatthewFenton}}}]] ([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</font> 13:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

::What was the reliable source? FOX is a reliable source, but none of the fansites or spoiler sites are. The titles for the eps are fine, they seemed to be accurate enough last season, but the details are just rumour, unless, as the template says, they came from interviews or preview clips. (Even then, it's kinda murky; This is Wikipedia, afterall, not TV.com... [[User:Iorek85|Iorek85]] 23:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Individual Episode Pages ==

Smith, who died in [[1968]], wrote his account of the coelacanth story in the book '''Old Fourlegs''', first published in [[1956]]. His book '''Sea Fishes of the Indian Ocean''', illustrated and co-authored by his wife Margaret, remains the standard ichthyological reference for the region.

Everyone of the episode pages needs work. There are no cites, extended plots, and information that is best left out all together. Whoever is monitoring this page and those pages should read this [[Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes]]. This is the policy created to establish guidelines for episode pages. If you do not have well referenced material try developing Seasonal pages until you do. [[User:Bignole|Bignole]] 12:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

===Sulawesi, Indonesia===

== To do.. ==

In 1997, Arnaz and Mark Erdmann were traveling on honeymoon in [[Indonesia]] and saw a strange fish entering the market at [[Manado Tua]], on the island of [[Sulawesi]]. Arnaz Erdmann recognized it as a gombessa, but it was brown, not blue. (The Erdmanns did not realize this was a new species until an expert saw their photo on the Web.) [[DNA]]-testing revealed that this species, called '''rajah laut''' ('King of the Sea') by the Indonesians, are not related to the Comorian population. It was given the scientific name ''Latimeria menadoensis''.

We need to convert all episode images to wide-screen. We should consider converting to {{tl|Episode list}} and getting all episode summaries down to 2 lines maximum.. keeping longer synopses to the individual pages. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 16:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

===St. Lucia Marine Protected Area, South Africa===

: What's the best way of converting all the images to wide-screen? I've got ALL the episodes on DVD, so I can do it, but I need to know how big the wide-screen images should be and how I should add them to the article (should I just replace the existing images?) [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 16:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:If you have them on DVD that's great - the best way is to upload a new version over the present (click the image and scroll to the bottom) - Generally when getting images I resize to 66.77% of the original (thats around the size of most of these/the season 4 ones) - ones that need doing are: [[:Image:OC-101.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-103.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-112a.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-111.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-215.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-223.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-304.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-305.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-307.jpg]], [[:Image:OC-309.JPG]], [[:Image:OC-310.JPG]] - All the others should be a'okay - When all synopsises are trimmed down and the tables are converted it should start looking pretty good :) - Hoepfully ill be able to do some work converting them soon. <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 17:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

:: I've just uploaded a new version of [[:Image:OC-210.jpg]], let me if that's what you want, and I'll do the others, except for season 1, because I don't have the wide-screen version of that (only the regular 720x480 version). [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 15:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::: That looks awesome :-) <small>[[User:MatthewFenton|Matthew Fenton]]&nbsp;([[User talk:MatthewFenton|talk]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/MatthewFenton|contribs]])</small> 15:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I have spent the past few hours converting the article to {{tl|Episode list}}. If possible could someone please find a 720x480 pixel image for each of the screenshots, as that would suit the new layout very well. Also could all the episode summaries be shrunk down to 3 lines. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

:I have spent a further few hours adding new screenshots for the majority of episodes in 720x480 resolution. There are a few screenshots however, of which I cannot find a suitable replacement for. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Stickeylabel|Stickeylabel]] 05:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

==Episode Title Errors==

In South Africa, the search continued on and off over the years. One diver, 46-year-old, Riaan Bouwer, lost his life exploring for coelacanths in June 1998.

On [[October 28th]], [[2000]], just south of the [[Mozambique]] border, in Sodwana Bay in the St. Lucia Marine Protected Area, three pleasure divers - Pieter Venter, Peter Timm and Etienne le Roux - made a dive to 104 metres and suddenly spotted a coelacanth. Without cameras, the group decided to return.

A lot of the episode titles aren't what they should be. It seems like whoever named them tried to sum up the plot of the episode, and they didn't use the actual episode title given by Fox or whoever names these episodes.

Calling themselves '''SA Coelacanth Expedition 2000''' the group, with several additional members, returned and on [[November 26]], they performed a first dive without seeing coelacanths. The next day Pieter Venter, Gilbert Gunn, Christo Serfontein and Dennis Harding, went down again. Moving from cavern to cavern, they found three coelacanths. The largest was between 1.5 and 1.8 metres long, the other two 1.2 metres and 1 metre. The fish swam heads down and appeared to be feeding off of ledges. The cameramen took video footage and photos. Then disaster struck. Assisting Christo, who suddenly passed out under water, 34-year-old Dennis Harding rose to the surface with him in an uncontrolled ascent. Harding complained of neck pains and died in the boat. Apparently, he had suffered a cerebral [[embolism]]. Christo recovered after being taken underwater for [[decompression sickness|recompression]].

I fixed it.[[User:Seeninator|Seeninator]] 07:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== Title of episode 2.13 ==

However, the find was big news in South Africa. In March-April 2002, the Jago Submersible and Fricke Dive Team descended into the depths off Sodwana and observed 15 coelacanths, one pregnant. Tissue samples were taken using a dart probe.

[[User:Adelyna|Adelyna]] and I have been in a minor dispute lately about the name of episode 2.13 which I believe is called "The Test", and Adelyna believes it's called "The Father Knows Best". [http://www.fox.com/oc/recaps/213.htm According to the official website] it's called "The Test", so I'm almost certain I'm right, but Adelyna claims that the DVD of the second season lists it as "The Father Knows Best", but I can't verify this since I don't have the DVD myself. For now I've reverted all of Adelyna's actions, and will continue to do so under the assumption that it's called "The Test" (which would make more sense considering the plot of that episode). Cheers, [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==External links==

:I just did a quick Google check, and it appears that the episode is called "The Father Knows Best" on the DVD (see [http://www.amazon.com/O-C-Complete-Second-Season/dp/B0009K7QZ8]), but I think we should stick we the original title, which is also listed on the official website. [[User:Jayden54|Jayden54]] 07:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

* [http://www.dinofish.com Jerome F. Hamlin's Coelacanth Rescue Mission]

::Press release has it down as "[http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx?id=20050127fox14 The Test]". [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 07:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

* [http://www.ru.ac.za/affiliates/coelacanth/ South African Coelacanth Conservation and Genome Resource Programme]

==Single episodes==

I plan on redirecting these per [[WP:EPISODE]] soon. Information from multiple secondary sources must be present for a single episode to need an article. This includes reception and development. Single plot summaries and trivia don't make a substantial article. I suggest [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia Wikia] and [http://www.tv.com/ tv.com] as alternate venues for this information. [[User:TTN|TTN]] 21:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== Episode naming ==

I noticed the episodes that need to be disambiguated from other things have the extension ''(The O.C. episode)'' rather than the conventional just ''(The O.C.)''. I would like to move all of the episodes to conform to the [[WP:TV-NC]] standards, but want to make sure I am doing the right thing and that this isn't a special exemption like for ''[[The Simpsons]]'' episode articles. Let me know. '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 05:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)