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|team_name=Long Island Lizards

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|bg_color=black

|title_color=#00a86b

|conference=Eastern

|logo=LongIslandLizards.JPG

|founded=[[2001]]

|home_stadium=[[Mitchel Athletic Complex]]

|hometown=[[Uniondale, New York]]

|team_colors=black, green

|head_coach=Jim Mule

|general_manager=[[Timothy Kelly]]

|media=[[New York Newsday]]

|champs=2001,2003

|conference_champs= American Division: 2001, 2002, 2003

|division=American

|division_champs=2001,2002,2003

|website=[http://www.longislandlizards.com www.longislandlizards.com]

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The '''Long Island Lizards''' are a professional [[Lacrosse]] team based in [[Uniondale, New York]]. Since the 2001 season, they have been members of [[Major League Lacrosse]]. They are currently in the Eastern Conference. Prior to 2006, they were in the American Division.

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# [[/Archive 1|January 27, 2006 – July 12, 2006]]}}

==Franchise history==

== Colour vs. Color ==

In their inaugural season in 2001, the Lizards split their home games between [[Hofstra Stadium]] and [[EAB Park]](now Citibank Park). For the 2002 season, they used Hofstra Stadium as their home field. As of 2003, the Lizards have played all home contests at [[Mitchel Athletic Complex]], in Uniondale, New York. The Lizards have won American Division championships in 2001, 2002, and 2003, and Major League Lacrosse titles in 2001 and 2003. The team made the playoffs in 2005 as a wildcard despite a losing record.

There needs to be a consensus in this. While "colour" is more widely used to "color," we need to think of this in regard to the Nintendo DS Lite. It's been released in Japan, Australia, the United States, Canada, Europe, and the People's Republic of China. In my opinion, the word that should be used (color or colour) is the word that is the most wideley used within theses regions.--[[User:Orannis|<b><i><font style="background:black" color="silver">The Ninth Bright Shiner</font></i></b>]] [[User talk:Orannis|^talk]] 21:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

:See [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Disputes over style issues|this]], maybe it is helpful. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks, it helps a lot. According to that particular section, either word is fine in this case, and it's inappropriate to change it unless you have a substantial reason to do so. "Color" was first used, so it should be that way now, right? "When in doubt, defer to the style used by the first major contributor."--[[User:Orannis|<b><i><font style="background:black" color="silver">The Ninth Bright Shiner</font></i></b>]] [[User talk:Orannis|^talk]] 01:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Actually, it depends on what "major contributor" means. If it means to the first one to add a bunch of information, then yes, the first was "color" (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_DS_Lite&diff=prev&oldid=36906613 here]). If by "major contributor" they mean the first user with a good number of edits, I believe it is "colour" then (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_DS_Lite&diff=next&oldid=39015498 here]). I will assume they were thinking about the first one to add a lot of information to the article, thus replacing colour with color is fine enough. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

::::I've been checking out the spelling thing and it seems to me that 'colour' is better suited because more countries (UK, Canada and Australia) spell it that way, compared to the US whos spells it 'color'. I personally don't care, but it's my opinion that 'colour' is more applicable to this article. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 20:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::We both know what it means whatever country we come from, so I don't think it matters. But we should have consistency all the way through the article and since this is an international site, it should be changed to Colour since that's how it's spelt in English(International). --[[User:MrBobla|MrBobla]] 08:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

==Season-by-season==

== Sturdier Hinge ? ==

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| colspan="5" align="center" | '''Long Island Lizards'''

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! Year !! W !! L !! Regular season finish!! Playoff results

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|[[2001 MLL season|2001]] || 10 || 4 || 1st in American Division ||Won semifinal 13-12 over [[Rochester Rattlers|Rattlers]]<BR> Won championship 15-11 over [[Baltimore Bayhawks|Bayhawks]]

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|[[2002 MLL season|2002]] || 9|| 5 || 1st in American Division ||Won semifinal 19-11 over [[New Jersey Pride|Pride]] <BR> Lost championship 21-12 to Bayhawks

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|[[2003 MLL season|2003]]* || 8 || 3 || 1st in American Division || Won semifinal 20-14 over [[Boston Cannons|Cannons]]<BR> Won championship 15-14 (OT) over Bayhawks

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|[[2004 MLL season|2004]] || 6 || 6 || 3rd in American Division || -

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|[[2005 MLL season|2005]] || 4 || 8 || 2nd in American Division ||Won semifinal 19-14 over Cannons<BR> Lost championship 15-9 to Bayhawks

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|[[2006 MLL season|2006]] ||5 ||7 ||4th Eastern Conference ||-

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|[[2007 MLL season|2007]] ||2 ||0 ||Eastern Conference ||

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*one game canceled in 2003

== Current Roster ==

"Features a much sturdier hinge than the previous model, which was somewhat fragile."

... I bought one two weeks ago and the hinge on the left-hand side has already cracked. This problem has been reported elsewhere (<nowiki>http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8482</nowiki>).

:The outer plastic of your hinge may have broken but the lite has a more extensive hinge (it covers the entire top part of the body) than its predescessor (which was missing an inch or so on both sides). It certainly is a sturdier build. The casing cracking has no impact on the hinge being sturdy or not. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 12:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

::Since you read maxconsole you probably know this, but Nintendo responded by saying that the four cracked hinge images represent 0.02% of all the DS Lites out there. <nowiki>http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8606</nowiki> Here's a link if you haven't read it. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 03:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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The hinge is much sturdier, this very small amount of reports of a cracked hinge has so far has not had any negative effects on hinge sturdiness. It's not like that tiny small cosmetic crack is gonna let the whole unit fall apart. The hinge is much wider and sturdier that the DS's rather small hinge, which was fragile and recieved many more reports of cracked hinges. I'm removing that passage from the features section. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.205.65.68|24.205.65.68]] ([[User talk:24.205.65.68|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.205.65.68|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

!align="center" colspan="7" bgcolor=black style="color:#00a86b"|'''2007 Long Island Lizards'''

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!align="center" colspan="1"|Number

!align="center" colspan="1"|Player's Name

!align="center" colspan="1"|Position

!align="center" colspan="1"|Height

!align="center" colspan="1"|Weight

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== Pictures of Colors? ==

|1|| Dan Cocchi ||Midfield ||5' 11"|| 185 lbs

Hm, weren't there pictures of the diffent editions on here? were they removed for a reason? I thought about posting a selfmade pic of my black ds but when there are no others it feels weird [[User:SilentGuy|SilentGuy]] 12:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Those were removed because they were licensed under Fair use and being used as decoration (the machine is the same, only the colour varying). If you have a black one, can take a picture of it and free license it, then please go ahead. Just, if possible, try to take a picture that has not yet been taken (in example, there is already a closed one from top and bottom, so another would not really add to the article). -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 14:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

|3|| Joseph Canuso ||Goal ||6' 0" || 200 lbs

::Or, if not possible, take a picture as similar as an existing one, so that we can swap the white with the black one. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 14:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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:::Or take a pic of it surfing. I don't think there are enough pics of the DSlite surfing. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 11:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

|5|| Nick Russo ||Midfield ||6' 0" ||180 lbs

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|6|| Chris Massey ||Attack ||5' 11"||182 lbs

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|7|| [[Keith Cromwell]] ||Attack ||6' 1" ||180 lbs

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|8|| Peter Vlahakis ||Midfield/Faceoff||5' 10"|| 190 lbs

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|9|| Tim Goettelmann ||Attack ||6' 4" ||215 lbs

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|10|| [[Jay Jalbert]] ||Midfield ||6' 2" ||210 lbs

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|11|| [[John Gagliardi]] ||Defense ||6' 0" ||200 lbs

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|12|| [[Parks 'Glenn' Adams III]] ||Attack ||5' 10"||170 lbs

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|13|| Stephen Berger ||Midfield ||6' 0" ||190 lbs

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|15|| Frank D'Agostino||Defense ||6' 2" ||210 lbs

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|17|| Reynolds Garnett||Defense ||6' 4" ||215 lbs

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|18|| Nick Murtha ||Goal ||6' 0" ||180 lbs

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|19|| Ryan Moran ||Midfield ||5' 11"||175 lbs

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|21|| Tim Byrnes ||Midfield ||6' 3" ||205 lbs

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|22|| Patrick Walsh Jr||Attack ||5' 8" ||180 lbs

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|23|| Adam Borcz ||Midfield ||6' 1" ||185 lbs

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|26|| [[Blake Miller (lacrosse)|Blake Miller]] ||Midfield ||6' 1" ||195 lbs

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|27|| Austin Garrison ||Midfield ||6' 2" ||190 lbs

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|37|| Stephen Byrnes ||Defense ||6' 1" ||192 lbs

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|41|| [[Nicky Polanco]] ||Defense ||6' 4" ||235 lbs

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|42|| Mike Howley ||Defense ||6' 1" ||205 lbs

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|56|| John Orsen ||Defense ||6' 3" ||203 lbs

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|0|| Brian Boyle ||Attack ||0' 0" ||0 lbs

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|0|| Rob Bonaguro ||Midfield ||5' 10"||195 lbs

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|0|| Jamie Ireland ||Midfield ||0' 0" ||0 lbs

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|0|| Joe Mascaretti ||Midfield/Faceoff||5' 11"||195 lbs

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*updated 05/21/2007

==='''Not to be forgotten'''===

== sales ==

*[[Casey Powell]]

== Retired numbers ==

<nowiki>http://ds.ign.com/articles/720/720637p1.html</nowiki>

#29 [[Pat McCabe]]

== Coaches and others ==

IGN has posted some sales figures. [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord CyberSkull]] [[User talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*'''John DeTommaso''' - 2001-03

*'''Vinnie Sombrotto''' - 2004

*'''Jim Mule''' - 2005-present

*'''Matt Schommburg''' 2005-present

*'''David Kotowski ''' ''President''

*'''[[Timothy Kelly]]''' ''General Manager''

*'''Maureen Cacioppo''' ''Director of Sales and Community Relations''

*'''R. Casey Hilpert''' ''Director Of Marketing''

*Owned by The Bishop family

Nintendo has released a press release stating that 21 million units have sold worldwide [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_Lite#_note-earnings_release_Q1FY07 DS Sales Figures]. This wiki currently lists the DS as having only sold 4.1 million. Can someone edit? --[[User:Matdjj|Matdjj]] 09:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

:The 21 million units figure is including the original DS. Since this article is for the DS Lite, it makes more sense to quote the figure for just DS Lites, which is 4.1 million. [[User:Dancter|Dancter]] 17:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

== External links ==

:Okay, so I have repeatedly requested sources for the sales and shipment data [[Special:Contributions/82.148.97.70|82.148.97.70]] (now [[Special:Contributions/212.77.194.162|212.77.194.162]]) keeps adding, either through various inline tags and even a message on their user talk page, but they keep removing the tags without providing a source, a reason, or a response. I figure I should present the dispute here. If we're presenting updated a Japanese sales figure to single-unit precision, I feel that a reference is absolutely necessary for the reader to evaluate the reliability of that information. I propose that if no information is provided on how and where the figure was found, that it be kept out of the article. [[User:Dancter|Dancter]] 10:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

{{Major League Lacrosse}}

{{NewYorksports}}

[[Category:Major League Lacrosse teams]]

== cracked hinge ?criticism? ==

[[Category:Sports in Long Island]]

[[Category:Sports clubs established in 2001]]

As far as the actual text of the cracked hinge header, "criticism" is absolutely inappropriate. What does the text have to do with criticism? When I wrote the initial version of that section, the title read "Scandal." Now I'm perfectly willing to let someone rewrite the header, but the revision has to make some semblance of sense. How about "cracked hinge sightings"? Any objections? --[[User:Stephenglassman|Stephenglassman]] 01:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[[Category:New York lacrosse teams]]

:I don't think sightings works because to me it implies the section is about where people were when they saw the hinges. I think issuses or problems is be a better word to use.

<s>03:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)</s> [[User:70.48.173.84|70.48.173.84]] 03:35, 30 July 2006

(UTC)

:Problems or issues is fine with me. Anything is better than criticism. (Aside: Thanks for the homonym correction.)[[User:Stephenglassman|Stephenglassman]] 06:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::I changed it to criticism because it wasn't a scandal. But something else is fine, if anyone wants to change it.--[[User:GeneralDuke|GeneralDuke]] 13:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:::What would go well here is a picture of this "cracking". Don't suppose there's any lying around? --[[User:Leemorrison|Leemorrison]] 21:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Here's a few: <nowiki>http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8482</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/17/nintendo-ds-lite-cracks-on-hinge</nowiki> --[[User:Gaunt|Gaunt]] 23:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Looks like some people are finding another hinge related crack: <nowiki>http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=212316</nowiki> - you'll need to register to see the pictures. --[[User:Gaunt|Gaunt]] 11:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's a link to some pics of the end result of the cracked hinge: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/new-horrible-ds-lite-crack-193231.php

[[User:Douglasr007|Douglasr007]] 09:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

:I doubt that is what will happen with all the cracked hinges or there would have been more than one report of damage on this level by now. I believe that this is an extreme example and not the usual end result of most crack hinges. --[[User:Edgelord|Edgelord]] 06:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

== Characteristics Paragraph ==

In the name of Nintendo, could someone edit the characteristics paragraph? It's one informative but terribly rambling monstrosity. Plus, the entire first half is written in reference to the the changes made as in reference to the DS, and I believe this is not a "changes from the original DS" section, but a paragraph on its own properties as they are. [[User:Kylara21|Kylara21]] 06:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the differences are very important and relevant. If they are not listed under characteristics should we make them a section? --[[User:Matdjj|Matdjj]] 09:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== "Cracked hinges" inconcistency? ==

The "Cracked hinges" section reads as follows:

: Nintendo customer service claims that it will repair or replace the device free of charge if covered under warranty and is found to be a manufacturing defect, or will charge USD$50 otherwise.[29]

: (...)

: Many people have claimed that the only available option is to pay a standard amount of money (around $50) to get the system fixed. However, there have been recent reports stating that Nintendo is replacing them for free. [31]

Those two paragraphs should probably be merged into one that's more accurately worded. --[[User:Spug|Spug]] 19:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That sections seems to have quite a bit of "if,but,maybe" and OR in it - needs a bit of a clean-up. --[[User:Charlesknight|Charlesknight]] 21:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

: Yeah. I'm thinking that the last paragraph I quoted could be removed altogether. Those incidents where Nintendo replaced them for free were probably the manufacturing defects mentioned in the first paragraph I quoted. --[[User:Spug|Spug]] 21:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

== Redundancy in 'Problems' Section ==

In the article there is a quote as follows:

"Finally, those same anecdotal sources have posited that the hinge is only stressed when the device is opened beyond the first detent to the second detent."

Immediatly following there is another pragraph that starts with this:

"There is a possible link between the cracked hinge issue and opening the DS Lite beyond its initial 'snap' point."

I hate to break it to one of the authors here but the word 'detent' is a synonym for the described 'snap point'. I'm combining the sources and removing one of them, so whoevers addition it was that I'm removing, don't get all angry and stuff. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 14:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

:Also the 'Other Problems' are mere links to nowhere. They are supposed links to 'ign' but there is no page to go to. I'm removing those dead soruces and putting in {{fact}} tags. --[[User:Thaddius|Thaddius]] 14:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

== Picture under the DS Logo ==

Can anyone fix that, or have a good picture to use there? [[User:JC747|JC747]] 08:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

==Other Problems==

I have removed the stuck pixel article. Stuck pixels are a part of every LCD screen, this is not a "problem" as thats just how LCD screens are. They are just more noticable on handheld screens because of how small they are. If we include this, we must include it on every article about a device that contains an LCD screen. Most likely even your LCD computer moniter(assuming you have one) has at least one dead or stuck pixel. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:71.92.70.246|71.92.70.246]] ([[User talk:71.92.70.246|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.92.70.246|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Inappropriate tone ==

The article lacks the professional tone needed for encyclopedia articles. In example, there are a lot of sentences starting with "On [month]...", while the features section has a long list (prose convertion needed). -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

== Press harder on the buttons? ==

I noticed with my DS lite that I had to press very hard on buttons, so i traded in my DS lite for a DS. seriously though, it really hurt. is this normal for most DS lite consoles, because this puts me off buying another one.-EEVEE103 <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:195.8.175.44|195.8.175.44]] ([[User talk:195.8.175.44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/195.8.175.44|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Top clamshell ==

Hello! I pre ordered my Dslite from game and i got it a day before it came out in the UK! Hurrah! Problems? The top clamshell is not in line with the bottom one. When i try to move the top one in line with the bottom i feel the machine will break. Oh and by pressing the bottom right corner of the outer rim of the touch screen the game acts as if i'm actually using the touch screen but i'm not.

--[[User:86.130.120.6|86.130.120.6]] 16:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)