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== {{user3|Juiced_lemon}} and [[WP:Point]] ==
'''Western Sahara articles''' I would like some assistance; this editor is disrupting Wikipedia by insisting that a particular issue is POV without resorting to talk or mediation. For instance, he insists on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Country_data_Western_Sahara&diff=prev&oldid=136405907 changing a flag template] to include a map, thereby breaking its functionality. If you see his edits, he is doing a similar thing on several templates, breaking their functions and creating redundancies in articles. I would be happy to discuss the issue at the appropriate venue with this editor (i.e. [[Talk:Flag of Western Sahara]], and consider mediation/arbitration, but all these template edits are basically a proxy for this one dispute as best as I can tell. Please assist. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 18:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:Juiced Lemon has done just the right thing. Western Sahara is a disputed territory that the UN is yet to solve the issue. Actually it is arranging for direct negotiations between the conflict parties: Morocco and the Polisario Front. What Koavf has been doing as a fervent militant activist for the Polisario, is to anticipate the result of the conflict and use the flag of one of the parties (guess which) to the conflict as the official Western Sahara flag, whereas WS has no flag as a disputed territory. Therefore, WS should not have a flag template, while the SADR, the government-in-exile of the Polisario has one, and can be used in the SADR articles, but not in Western Sahara articles. The French Wikipedia for example uses exactly the map outline that Juiced Lemon has been using here. So, Koavf's complains are baseless. Needless to remind that Koavf has been so disruptive about the Western Sahara articles that he was indefinitely blocked for more than a half year. He was allowed to edit again as a gesture of goodwill from the community, and here we are again after just one day from being unblocked.--[[User:A Jalil|A Jalil]] 19:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::The changes I have made don't break any functionality. Western Sahara is a disputed territory. The so-called [[Flag of Western Sahara]] is in reality the flag of the [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]], and it symbolizes the opposition to occcupation of Western Sahara by Morocco. Any use of this flag in association with Western Sahara have an obvious political meaning.
::So, I replaced the flag by a map of Western Sahara. I go to post a request for comments in the village pump. --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 20:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::'''This is not the place for this''' These arguments belong somewhere else (e.g. [[Talk:Flag of Western Sahara]]); the germane issue is the persistent blind reversion and template-breaking and controversial edits on articles with POV tags, etc. I tried to be conciliatory, but you didn't seem interested in listening or discussion, so I've asked for someone else's intervention to mediate, arbitrate, or whatever is needed. One thing that we can't continue doing is changing flag templates to maps so that we have abominations like [[Arabic_language|this]] and [[List_of_national_capitals#L|this]]. Again, to reiterate: you're breaking the template's functionality. Lastly, could you please not use inflammatory language like "fervent militant activist," even if you think it's true? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 03:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::::NPOV is not abomination. Let me have a different opinion.
::::[[Template talk:Country data Western Sahara#Request for Comment: Western Sahara and the SADR]] --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 08:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Can i ask you about one thing Justin? Do you know that the ANI is not the appropriate place to sort out edit conflicts? You are already discussing this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting]] where many admins and the project contributors have explained to you why you are not correct. So what do you want exactly from admins to do for you? -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 15:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::'''Okay''' Even if that is true, he's now definitely disrupting Wikipedia with unilateral and controversial moves that have no consensus or discussion. See [[Foreign relations of Western Sahara]], which he has moved twice without any discussion. The talk of that page has an extensive discussion on the page name, and he apparently didn't even reference it. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Disrupting? Who? Lemon? No. He has never set a foot on the article you are talking about. -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 17:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::'''Huh?''' What are you talking about? He's moved it twice today. Did you even look at his logs? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 18:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::In Wikipedia, the '''government of Western Sahara''' has been broken up [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Government_of_Western_Sahara&action=history since 2002]. So, this government don't deal with '''foreign affairs''' for Western Sahara anymore.
:::::I have not yet read critical comments regarding my last edits. I wait for [[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]] argumentation in the appropriate talk pages. --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 20:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::'''Sigh''' "Juiced" '''all''' "government of X" articles redirect to "politics of X" articles. What does that have to do with anything? I don't even understand what the comment "this government don't deal with '''foreign affairs''' for Western Sahara anymore" is even supposed to mean. Why should it be that you make the contentious moves (twice, once after it was moved *back* by me) and then expect me to justify myself on talk? Aren't you the one who is supposed to justify moves? And why did you move it to two separate names? And why did you leave behind double-redirects? And why did you chose "legal status of" instead of "political status of"? These are a few of a host of questions that should have been resolved before a unilateral and contentious move that, in my opinion, shouldn't have taken place (cf. with all previous attempts to move that article on its talk.) You either ignored prior consensus, didn't care about it, or both, and that's not exactly ideal editing. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 03:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[[:Category:Government by country|Here]], you'll find a lot of "government of X" articles which are not redirecting to "politics of X" articles. What I said means that Western Sahara have no government, therefore don't deal with foreing affairs, and a subject like [[Foreign relations of Western Sahara]] cannot exist. Such title in an Encyclopedia has not more sense than '''Foreign relations of the [[Statue of Liberty]]'''.
:::::::So, I had two options:
:::::::* either to request the deletion of [[Foreign relations of Western Sahara]] which dealt with an inexisting subject
:::::::* either to rename the article with a name matching an encyclopedic subject
:::::::I have choosed the second option. Now, if you can suggest a better name than [[Legal status of Western Sahara]], do it! --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 12:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::'''Another option''' Or you could have posted on talk and requested comments. That would be the way you should work on a collaborative encyclopedia, and you know that. Consequently, you are disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 14:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There was enough comments in the talk page, and no permissions are required to improve articles in Wikipedia. You didn't use the talk page for your argumentation neither: you prefer to complain in the ANI. --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 21:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I see the contentiousness of this issue; frankly, if you ask me, it would be best if all interested parties developed a common way they can all agree on on how to deal with Western Sahara-related articles on Wikipedia, possibly by way of mediation or something like that. This issue comes up quite regularily, and it shouldn't be too much of a problem to develop a neutral, objective and standardised way of treating the Western Sahara issue while fairly representing both Morocco's and the SADR's points of views. —[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightst</span>]]<font color="green">[[User:Nightstallion/esperanza|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">a</span>]]</font>[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">llion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 22:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:You are right. There is a general issue regarding numberous confusions between [[Western Sahara]] and the [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]] in Wikipedia. Example: In [[List of circulating currencies]] (Western Sahara), Moroccan dirham is associated with the flag of the [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]] (due to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Country_data_Western_Sahara&diff=136656508&oldid=136405907]). Use of new templates have aggravated the situation. Such confusions are a godsend for Polisario supporters. I understand they work to keep them. --[[User:Juiced lemon|Juiced lemon]] 13:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::'''Mediation''' I'd be all for mediation if it will stop this incessant template-breaking, reversion, and unilateral moving. This is ridiculous and it can't go on for long. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 14:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: The templates koavf refers to were mostly done by him at the time none of us was around. With the problems risen by the naked POV that polluted the Western Sahara articles is becoming a problem for the community and causing tensions, the need for a neutral point of view is necessary as Nightstallion wrote above. How can the flag of one of the parties of the conflict be forced to be adopted in Wikipedia as representing the disputed territory which has no flag, and how come two completely different things as "Western Sahara" and "The Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic" be used interchangibly?. The solution could look easy and there would not be a problem correcting the templates and neutralising the wording. Only if there were no stunch activists around. This is the problem that Juiced Lemon is rightly trying to correct, and which is discussed extensively elsewhere like in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting Dispute_about_the_wording_scope_of_a_stub].--[[User:A Jalil|A Jalil]] 21:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::'''Irrelevant''' The exact features of the dispute are irrelevant, Jalil: my statements still stand. These moves and edits are disrupting, confusing, and should not have taken place, regardless of your personal convictions about the subject matter. He should have discussed prior to make a contentious move, and that is true regardless of whether the contentious move is some propaganda that supports my or your or his or no one's political agendas; that is irresponsible editing. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 21:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Editor making personal attacks in edit summaries ==
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Is this the right place to mention this? [[Special:Contributions/Scott_110|Scott 110]] has a history of insulting other editors, his last three edit summaries were ''removing moronic statement again'', ''thats the most idiot thing ive ever read'', and ''removed moronic, uncited statements''. He has been warned about his behavious several times but he continues. I just happened to notice one of his summaries in an article I was looking at and I haven't seen edit summaries abused in this way before. [[User:172.215.48.198|172.215.48.198]] 21:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
* That's not particularly nice. Their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Scott_110 edit history] shows that to be their default setting. I've left a note on their talk page, so we'll see how it goes ... - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 22:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::Nice. Such behaviour on the part of Scott_110 isn't appropriate all the time but isn't requiring of immidiate action. A note on the user's page is good. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 22:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Not that I particularly care....but how is calling a statement, rather than the author of a statement, idiotic or moronic a personal attack on the author him/herself? Look up the word "criticism".[[User:Scott 110|Scott 110]] 03:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Look up the terms "courtesy" and "[[WP:CIVIL|civility]]". "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope&diff=prev&oldid=133350725 Ughh..you people are such nerds]", etc, etc ... Plenty of examples out there. Like I said, focus on content and not on the person - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 03:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Civilization_IV&diff=prev&oldid=43327760 ''stop de-valuing its importance, jerk.''] Yeah, that sounds like criticism of a ''statement''. There ''are'' no "idiot statements", only idiot people. [[User:172.188.21.78|172.188.21.78]] 01:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::To find that out you really must have done some research...it must be nice to have that kind of time on your hands.[[User:Scott 110|Scott 110]] 20:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: It doesn't take that much 'research' - your edit history is replete with examples. Please - take the hint and stop the insults and personal attacks - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 04:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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== {{User|BassxForte}} / {{User|Vilerocks}} shares his password ==
User BassxForte, who is also user Vilerocks (as claimed on both user pages), admits he shares his account password with other people here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stemonitis&diff=prev&oldid=133968559], who apparently use it for occasional joke edits.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 01:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't let him go out onto the actual articles without my supervision, my userpage(s) are the only things I let them run wild at. [[User:BassxForte|BassxForte]] 02:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
This user has a history of unproductive editing and behaviour going on since January, and he is on very, very thin ice at the moment. I have made unsuccessful attempts on ANI, RFC and CN already. I plan to take it to Arbitration very soon. - [[User:Zero1328|Zero1328]] <sub>[[User talk:Zero1328|Talk?]]</sub> 06:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know about any of that. I just accidentally stumbled upon his comment on that talk page. His history of unproductive editing is therefore not really an issue here.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 13:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry for not clarifying how it's relevant. The relevant part is that he is extremely unlikely to change any of his habits, so if you want to try to make him stop sharing his password, it won't work. - [[User:Zero1328|Zero1328]] <sub>[[User talk:Zero1328|Talk?]]</sub> 00:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Note that, '''I''', the ''correct'' user of this name, was in complete control of those edits when they were made. [[User:Vilerocks|Vilerocks]] 15:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Why does one person have two user names? [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]]? --[[User:Myselfalso|myselfalso]] 00:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::It was probably due to this whole password thing, but he got his old account back. He probably doesn't know what [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]] is. - [[User:Zero1328|Zero1328]] <sub>[[User talk:Zero1328|Talk?]]</sub> 00:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know the rule existed until just now, when you mentioned it. Furthermore, the rule you gave mentioned that it is "discouraged", not that it was against the rules. [[User:Vilerocks|Vilerocks]] 01:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, on one userpage I provide a link to the other, making it bluntly obvious Vilerocks and BassxForte are one and the same, and I havn't attempted to use the Vilerocks name to bend the rules to my advantage. (In other words, I haven't voted twice on a poll, used them ti suggust that there are more people arguing in my favor in an argument, etc.) [[User:BassxForte|BassxForte]] 02:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hey, I don't have an issue if you have two user names. I just thought that '''Sock puppetry''' didn't allow this. Obviously there are cases that having an additional user name might be necessary. But the issue at hand isn't having two user names, the issue is that you've shared your password. --[[User:Myselfalso|myselfalso]] 05:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't let him just run around wikipedia wth my password randomly, looking through my contribuations history( for ''both'' accounts) the only thing he ever edited without my supervision was my userpages. [[User:Vilerocks|Vilerocks]] 18:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Editor uses edit summaries for personal attacks, refuses mediation ==
I need some advice on how to proceed with some allegations being made against me. Please see [[Special:Contributions/Ganesham|this user's contributions]]. Basically, I opened an informal mediation request [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-28 Guru Gita|here]] in March in order, to address this user's concerns and to provide evidence that I am not involved in a vendetta as the user alleges. I invited them to participate in the discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGanesham&diff=118906496&oldid=118547471 here]. The user has not participated, seems unwilling to consider my viewpoint, and is now calling me a vandal. The user openly admits to editing under another username and I suspect that they might be the user who wrote [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive242#Deletion of contributions|these allegations]] as [[Special:Contributions/Anniebelles|Anniebelles]]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASardaka&diff=136390214&oldid=135841347 This statement] seems to support that. I have tried to pursue mediation (I feel that I cannot remain objective about this person's statements) with a neutral 3rd party. The user seems unwilling to participate in any such endeavour. I'm reporting this because a kind fellow editor, who responded to a <nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki> request on my talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheRingess&diff=136740458&oldid=136738441 here], recommended this as a next step. I have also notified her on her talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGanesham&diff=136781619&oldid=136725086 here]. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 02:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Ringess, this current complaint is regarding your overall stalking of people like Sardaka, whose "good faith discussion" you removed from your talk page: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheRingess&diff=135811311&oldid=135806648# and about how you stalk people to remove their additions, and how you go into topics, remove all links and add an often lame dmoz link and a warning to not add any more links. TheRingess has most recently gone in and removed, without apparently any consideration, the very organized and useful link sections on the Bhagavad Gita page that had been well-pruned through the good work of many editors. Fortunately that page had an editor who knew enough to revert this destruction, but in other pages, many very useful links are lost. To see examples of TheRingess's wanton removal of links, you can look at TheRingess's contributions page and do a find on dmoz or external links, or look at the arguments she has had with other editors. I believe this editor is harmful to Wikipedia. And no, I'm not Anniebelles, and I'm a man (not that it matters, but just for the record). [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]] 14:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ganesham, why have you rejected dispute resolution? You clearly have a dispute with this editor that needs discussion in a more proper forum. Instead of warning the world about what you think of TheRingess, why don't you discuss your issues with him/her directly? '''~a''' ([[User:Arichnad|user]] • [[User talk:Arichnad|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arichnad|contribs]]) 14:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:As a further note, in order to emphasize my need for mediation regarding these allegations, I contacted the editor mentioned in reference to the [[Bhagavad Gita]] page. I asked this user to comment on my specific edits. My intial question can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGourangaUK&diff=136731684&oldid=135851559 here] and his response can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheRingess&diff=136831989&oldid=136740458 here]. I have notified the aforemention editor of my statement [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGourangaUK&diff=136863202&oldid=136833446 here].[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 16:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Furthermore, I agree to continue this conversation on the above mentioned mediation page. I'm hoping that we can address Ganesham's concerns that I am actively engaged in a destructive, hurtful, personal vendetta against the subject of a biographical article on Wikipedia (please see user's contributions for specifics, I don't wish to name the article here).[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 18:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a note to say that I don't have time to pursue this matter. If no Wikipedia editors or administrators are interested in checking TheRingess's actions in following innocent editors and deleting their works or in deleting all links from many topics, then Wikipedia will be the worse for it, but it is not my job and no longer my interest to engage with someone who is half cry-baby and half dictator. I'm signing off and no longer participating in Wikipedia as a contributor. Please don't leave messages for me here or on my user page, because I won't be checking for them. Best to all. [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]] 21:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I was curious and looked to find that lo and behold, TheRingess and his thug buddy editor Buddhipriya went into Wikipedia today and removed every link they could find to the applicable free educational resources offered by the person that TheRingess is already on record as having a vendetta against -- he and Buddhipriya participate in a spiritual group (on and off Wikipedia) that has had a vendetta against the author because she wrote an unauthorized book about their path. This author, of whom I am a fan, is the one who created a website of completely free educational spiritual resources -- she's also the author of Spirituality For Dummies. TheRingess is on record as fighting to remove her wikipedia entry that was created by another fan from England, and which survived TheRingess's deletion attempts. I've added several appropriate links to her resources in appropriate topics, and other editors have apparently added others. Today, TheRingess even deleted two very useful links to her site without signing in, showing up with his isp# at: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.0.134.34]], and for good measure, TheRingess deceptivly welcomed himself on his own isp's welcome page: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:68.0.134.34]] (I've received email from TheRingess and know that this is his ISP#). Here is one example from Buddhipriya's rampage: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shri_Rudram_Chamakam&diff=prev&oldid=137099793]], where he removes a page with the completely free and very useful text and audio of Rudram, with a note saying, "commercial linkspam selling products" -- something he knows is false if he even looked at the page. Here are a couple more attacks from Buddhipriya just today, each with an insult to the resource: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhagavad_Gita&diff=prev&oldid=137099129]], and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bhagavad_Gita&diff=prev&oldid=137099383]]. I'm back to retirement from contributing to Wikipedia. Go ahead and let these people ruin Wikipedia with personal vendettas if that is fine with you other editors and administrators. [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]]
:Just for the record, I have never emailed Ganesham. Due to the very serious nature of his allegations (carrying out a personal vendetta against the subject of an article on Wikipedia) I have preferred to keep all communication with this user public. I will continue to do so.[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 23:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::I am sorry that [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]] does not agree regarding the removal of spam links. He has crossposted the same complaint [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AMediation_Cabal%2FCases%2F2007-03-28_Guru_Gita&diff=137136757&oldid=136911296]. The web site spiritual-happiness.com is a commercial site that advertises books and audio products (see: [http://www.spiritual-happiness.com/books.html]). For information on spam guidelines, please read [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam]]. As a member of Wikiproject SPAM, I routinely follow the procedures given there, which say that once spam is found, one should look for other occurances of the same spam site. Here are the recommended procedures: "Check for similar links: ... This step involves finding all of the articles that contain a link to a particular site. If a link to www.example.com were discovered and removed in steps one and two, the next step is to use the [[Special:Linksearch|linksearch]] command to find all articles that contain such links." That search feature shows that there are probably more spam links to the same site that still need to be removed.
::The spam link on the Bhagavad Gita article was removed after specifically getting agreement from another regular editor there that the site should go: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABhagavad_Gita&diff=137012992&oldid=136906784]
::Regarding the claims that I and [[User:TheRingess]] are members of the same spiritual community, I am not aware of what that might be. In fact my first significant editing experience with that user had to do with fact-checking an article on [[Siddha Yoga]] which I had never heard of prior to reading that article (See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASiddha_Yoga%2FArchive_5&diff=127620491&oldid=127612249]). I subsequently found the editor to be a very balanced contributor. Please avoid making personal attacks in the future and try to comply with [[WP:CIVIL]] while assuming good faith on the part of others. [[User:Buddhipriya|Buddhipriya]] 23:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Appropriate undeletion of [[HHO gas]]? ==
Moved to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Omegatron|related thread]] at WP:AN.
== [[User:Amphitere]] ==
{{resolved| User [[User talk:Endroit#Thank you,|promises]] not to do it again.}}
[[User:Amphitere]] appears to be impersonating [[User:Odst]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Liancourt_Rocks&diff=next&oldid=136729768 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Odst&diff=prev&oldid=136730100 here].
Also [[User:Orthodoxy]], [[User:Ilha Youn]], & [[User:Polleo]] all redirect to [[User:Amphitere]]. Now that's FIVE user accounts in one. Why did [[User:Amphitere]] take over the 4 other users? What's going on here? Are there any more others we don't know about?--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] 07:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've left a note at their talk page. I've asked them to give explanations here. -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 13:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hello, I am the owner of all those accounts. The reason I made so many was because in order to make my user name the same throughout all Wikipedias, it was necessary for me to change it according to the user name that was not used in any Wikipedia. As you have already noticed, I am an international Wikipedian, so, sometimes, renaming is required. If this caused many trouble, I apologize greatly. (If you need proof that all those accounts are mine, you can check their IP Addresses [sometimes it might be different, because it might be my school's IP], or you can check my email address for each of them). And also, according to the rules, one person can have as many accounts as they want, right? So, I am confused why I was depicted in this list.
I am not impersonating [[User: Odst]]. He is a good friend of mine, who lives quite far away. Currently, his computer is broken, so he told me to take care of his user page, and other articles that he used to contribute to. Because of this, it is my responsibility to be in his place while he is gone. ''I received permission from him, so this is not impersonation.''
Again, if this caused trouble, I greatly apologize. I hope that this problem is all sorted out, and understood. Thank you very much. [[User:Amphitere|Amphitere]] 20:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::If so, {{Userlinks|Younilha}} appears to have made some racist edits to [[User:Dokdo]] as well, inserting anti-Japan slogans there. Do you "own" [[User:Dokdo]] as well? Or do you just know him?--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] 16:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:If you read the history carefully, it says that my account's ID and password was leaked out to my friends. It said that my account was used my multiple users. Therefore, when I am away, someone (most likely, my friend) will be under my username and start to vandalize the articles/userpages. The User:Dokdo is not mine, nor anyone's. It is just simply User:Dokdo. My friend vandalized his page under my name, which was a mistake by me to let my info leak out in the first place. So, I apologize again. If you would like to know more about what exactly happened and this multi account, false vandalizing, users under the same account, multiple accounts using the same IP, you may check the history of each of my (or "my") userpages. Thank you.
:P.S. Don't be so worried about User:Odst. He is a good friend of mine, and we contact each other often. If no one still doesn't believe me, you can tell me to give you his phone number, and contact him yourself. Plus, why was I listed in this place anyways? Multiple accounts are allowed. "Adoptions" are allowed. Did I do something wrong? [[User:Amphitere|Amphitere]] 16:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Amphitere, if you didn't understand what I said, I'll reword it slightly: You were pretending to be ([[:wikt:impersonate|impersonating]]) [[User:Odst]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Liancourt_Rocks&diff=next&oldid=136729768 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Odst&diff=prev&oldid=136730100 here]. Since you admit that you are not [[User:Odst]], I advise you not to sign your edits under his User ID again. If you do it again, I will report you here again.
::With respect to [[User:Orthodoxy]], [[User:Ilha Youn]], [[User:Polleo]], & [[User:Younilha]], you have admitted they all belong to you. Some of these accounts were involved in vandalism before, and according to your story, they have been compromised by your "friends". Rather than keeping these accounts open and risk further suspicions, I suggest that you follow the procedure at [[Wikipedia:Changing username]] to have those accounts formally closed/transferred.--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] 03:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Sanity check please ==
See further up the board ([[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:M.V.E.i.]]). I indefinitely blocked [[User:M.V.E.i.]], a Russian user, for hate speech and repeated severe racist comments (such as the following), directed variously towards the French, Israelis, Estonians, Germans and Balts. And this is just a selection:
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=133246895 Half French, which explains his sexual orientation]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russians&diff=prev&oldid=133024498 No such nationality as Israeli]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=132522861 Thats the baltic way, cheat, lie, and when they loose they run to Europe and NATO to complain they are being smashed. Those Balts here are nothing but trolls]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=132263564 Germans are your Enemies yet you were their uniforms and also "worked hard" for the SS in their name]".
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=132263564 You Balts try to represent lies as truth so you could lower your national shame, it will never happen, the history is against you]".
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn&diff=prev&oldid=131865868 Estonian "democracy"]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=130189196 Those Estonians who we argue with are eated with self-hate. They know that their grandfathers from the forest brothers and the ss were creeps]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=130187280 He's a German, so I expected it]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=prev&oldid=129855745 the Estonians started the Holocaust in Estonia even before the Germans arrived their]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn/Archive_5&diff=prev&oldid=129838477 you have baltic blood offcourse you will try to denie the crimes of those to who some of your blood belonges to]".
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sandstein&diff=prev&oldid=129834791 Entire post], personal and racist attack
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn&diff=prev&oldid=129619848 Say thankyou that we, as winners didn't delete you, allies of the Nazis, from this planet]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn&diff=prev&oldid=129597436 Besides, USSR never killed Baltic people (Except at World War 2, but that were Baltic Nazis killed, there not considered people]"
*"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn&diff=prev&oldid=129565709 Stop this bullshit. The only reason that the baltics hate USSR, is because they are self-eated with hate. They baltic people feel little, useless]".
He has been blocked before, with no effect. He has been asked to stop multiple times (see [[User talk:M.V.E.i.]] with no effect). He is evading his short term blocks with IP sockpuppets.
I thought this was a clear and obvious indefinite block. However, [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] overturned my block and reduced it in length to a month. I've restored it and consulted with Alex, but he is still defending the user ("''... if some edit can be interpreted as a racist hateful speech, might be it is worth to ask the author if the interpretation is correct? M.V.I.e. is not a native English speaker ...''", "''I have strong doubts that he meant something racist in his speech''"), and I am wondering if I am going mental, because as far as I can tell the racism and intent is obvious. Was this a valid indef block? [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 14:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*Looking at his block log [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:M.V.E.i.], I'd say some drastic action is needed. I'm not going to unblock, and if no-one does the ban is effective. Failing that, block him for a month, and warn him that next time it is three months, then he's out.--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 14:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*We have a separate noticeboard to discuss community blocks. The user is certainly problematic but I see no particular "racist" connotations in his comments. Estonians and Russians are supposed to belong to the same race, for a start. Perhaps he's mad about the Holocaust denial on the part of the Estonian government. A month-block was warranted, but indef block looks to have been motivated by off-wiki considerations. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*:Describing the French as all gay isn't racist? Describing all Estonians as having [[SS]] members for grandparents isn't racist? Really? And I don't understand your comment about "off-wiki considerations". [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 14:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*::It is an extreme form of xenophobia and nationalism rather than racism. According to the ''[[Oxford English Dictionary]]'', racism is a belief or [[ideology]] that all members of each [[race]] possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races. Are you sure that the Russians and the French belong to two distinct [[race]]s? --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::*You're thinking of [[race]]s too narrowly. The race taxonomy that was generally accepted in the heydays of [[racism]] (but most of which has become forgotten by now) is not a desk with Three Big Drawers. Instead, it was a tree, allowing the Nazis to hate the ''race of [[Gaul]]s'', even though both French and Germans (whom the Nazis generally didn't hate very much) are both of the [[Caucasian race]] as a 'main race'.
::::In general, any idea of ethnically comparative supremacy or inferiority is a manifestation of racism. That with the fall of racists from the power position, the more common categories used are [[bigotry]] or [[chauvinism]] does not nullify the racist aspect of these ideas. [[User:Digwuren|Digwuren]] 18:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*:::It is normal english usage to say "The Dutch Race" or "The Irish Race" - race is a very poorly defined word - see [[racism]] for the subtleties. [[User:WilyD|Wily]]<font color="FF8800">[[User talk:WilyD|D]]</font> 14:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*:::{{quote|Race: I. A group of persons, animals, or plants, connected by common descent or origin.
*::::In the widest sense the term includes all descendants from the original stock, but may also be limited to a single line of descent or to the group as it exists at a particular period.|Oxford English Dictionary (Online Edition}}
*::::Then perhaps we should stop using vague, fuzzy terms in block summaries. Once upon a time, I was told on this very noticeboard that speaking about racism between Jews and Arabs is technically incorrect and so better avoided. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::* Now you're engaging in [[demagoguery]]. If you're unsure of what 'racism' means, you should read the article on [[racism]]. But a Wikipedian with your edit count would have known of this option already anyway, right? [[User:Digwuren|Digwuren]] 18:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: This semantics discussion is pointless, there should be no real difference if person says ''"jews killed by nazis were subhumans"'' or ''"balts killed by soviets were subhumans"''.--[[User:Staberinde|Staberinde]] 18:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Could you refer me to a specific edit where M.V.E.i. referred to Balts as "subhumans"? If you can't, Digwuren's pontification indeed borders demagoguery. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 18:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I didn't said that he said exactly that, I just brought it as good and simple example. But in reality he said something very similar: "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn&diff=prev&oldid=129597436 Besides, USSR never killed Baltic people (Except at World War 2, but that were Baltic Nazis killed, there not considered people)]". What would you think if someone said ''"Besides, Nazi Germany never killed Slavic people (Except at World War 2, but that were Slavic Stalinists killed, there not considered people)"''--[[User:Staberinde|Staberinde]] 18:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
**Why are you arguing semantics? That's not at all the point here. His comments are clearly absolutely inappropriate, whether you want to call them racist, xenophobic or otherwise.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 14:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
**: Because "racist" is a stronger term than "nationalist" or "xenophobic". A person indulging in racist remarks should be blocked indefinitely, while a person who makes nationalist remarks is just that... a nationalist; we have plenty of them in the project. Nobody defends the guy's comments; they indeed deserve a month-long block, but he should be given the last chance to repent and reform. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 15:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Actually, i don't make any distinction. Racist, xenophobic or ''my mamma'' name calling are '''all meant to make others feel like s**t'''. Calling someone a donkey, stupid arab, zionist israeli/jew or a supermacist american are all the same. I still don't fathom Wikipedia stance on this matter. All personal attacks of any nature should be treated w/ the same degree. -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 15:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: All personal attacks are bad, but some of them are worse than others. In other words, not every PA deserves an indef block. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 17:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Both "nationalist" and "xenophobic" are self-relative terms. M.V.E.i has, in general, not displayed a consistent nationalist, or xenophobic attitude. However, he has repeatedly made racist claims, noting that racism does not require self-relativeness. In other words, if an [[Irishman]] believes that the [[Yukagirs]] are inferior to the [[Bantu]]s, he's being racist but not a nationalist or a xenophobe. In order to be a nationalist, he would need to think that the Irish people are superior to either Yukagirs, Bantus or both. In order to be xenophobic, he would need to have a [[phobia]] regarding a foreign ethnicity. Your ideas of "stronger claim" are nothing but a [[social stigma]], caused mostly by the aftermath of [[WWII]]; in reality, all of these three ideas are manifestations of the same ur-idea, and their absurdity stems from the same logic. [[User:Digwuren|Digwuren]] 18:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*One month was enough to see if he'd cool down. We won't lose anything if we test their behaviour change. -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 14:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*Agree with Fayssal. Please restore the block to one month. — [[User talk:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black">Nearly Headless Nick</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black" title="Contributions"><sup>'''{C}'''</sup></font>]] 14:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Neil's comment that "He is evading his short term blocks with IP sockpuppets" appears to have been overlooked in the above discussion. Is this editor currently evading this block? --[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] 14:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Define "currently". See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJpgordon&diff=136420459&oldid=136361118] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpgordon&diff=136448527&oldid=136421301]. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 15:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd define "currently" as "is this editor evading the '''current''' block". --[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] 15:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:If consensus is leaning toards reducing to one month being an appropriate time out, then I have no problem with this. I would be delighted if M.V.E.i. would spend a month away thinking about his actions, without violating this block through the use of sockpuppets (which would be a first), and return as a civil and valuable contributor, no longer engaging in harassment, racism and hate speech. I am cheered that so many admins believe this will be the case. I really hope it is, too. However, I wouldn't bet one penny on it. Happy for anyone to reduce [[User:M.V.E.i.]]'s block to a month if and when a clear consensus is arrived it. [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 16:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::And note that I would appreciate anyone else's thoughts for a little while longer yet (he's blocked either way for at least another 29 days, no need to rush here). [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 16:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll be reducing it to a month w/in 15 minutes. Any objection guys? -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 17:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes. I just asked you to wait to ensure there's a good consensus (ie, not you, Alex and Nick). It will make no difference if you wait a few hours. [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 17:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Please refer me to a relevant passage in [[WP:BLOCK]] or [[WP:BAN]] which leads you to discard my opinion as null and void. If you can't, I consider your action rather incivil and would welcome apologies. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 18:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Not incivil, just an oversight on my part. Apologies. [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 20:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sure. No rush. Let's wait. -- [[User:FayssalF|<font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">FayssalF</font></font>]] - <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: gold"><sup>''Wiki me up®''</sup></font>]]</small> 17:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Has M.V.E.i anywhere appologized for his comments? I mean he has made quite a few edits after being blocked(mainly with block evasion)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/M.V.E.i.], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.154.102.52], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.155.52.3], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.155.193.21], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.152.3.240], but I personally failed to see something where he would actualy understand that such comments are very wrong.--[[User:Staberinde|Staberinde]] 18:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Not to my knowledge. However, I once saw a comment of him that appears to have indicated that he at least understood wrongness of some of his comments. I can't find it right now, but this is the main reason I'm not objecting loudly to the "let's rediscuss in a month" plans offered above.
:However, I'm still rather skeptical in M.V.E.i.'s reformation's possibility, and believe [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] is overextending the [[benefit of doubt]].
:Considering that per [[WP:BLOCK]], blocks are preventive, not punitive, my understanding is that it is desirable to have a block whose length would be comparable to M.V.E.i.'s estimated time of changing his ways. Without any remorse, such an estimate would obviously be very long. If M.V.E.i. repents and recants his evil ways, this would obviously directly factor into such an estimate.
:The state of [[psychology]] research being what it is, any such estimate would be quite rough. My experience would suggest about 3 months as the roughly minimum time for a non-coercive reformation of this kind. Thus, I would suggest starting with a three-month block, and '''not counting''' upwards from it if he comes back after these three months reformed and then gets into troubles not related to continuous incivility. In a sense, this would be offering him a [[clean slate]] as long as he does not fall into old evils. [[User:Digwuren|Digwuren]] 18:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
: So he is unrepentant? Jpgordon explained to him that his behaviour would not be tolerated. If he does not stop now, I would support banning this guy indefinitely. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 18:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Why is 'now' any better cut-off point than, say, [[May 10]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=129853961&oldid=129852578] -- [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:M.V.E.i.&diff=129855745&oldid=129853961])? [[User:Digwuren|Digwuren]] 18:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Minor note: I've seen this kind of double measure from the part of Russian admins on [[Moldova]]- and [[Transnistria]]-related articles. The party perceived as pro-Russian or pro-Soviet usually gets helped in front of the other. Support meaning that minor and some major offences are forgotten for the pro-Russian, whereas rules are strictly applied for the others. [[User:Dpotop|Dpotop]] 18:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
My view: One month is way too short for this kind of hate speech and incivility , no matter what "ism" is appropriate , without any signs of regret. Indefinite block seems just about right, since user has been blocked before, but because there is opposition and given allowance for expression, i think that minimal length for reforming should be three months. However, I feel that there is a most likely unintentional bias in [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharevs]] judgment so the final decision on the fate of this block should be made by an unrelated admin. It is hard to pass unbiased judgment on your "comrades in arms". --[[User:Alexia Death|Alexia Death]] 19:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that indefinite block is appropriate. MVEi behaivour is way over line, also repeated block evasions([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.154.102.52], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.155.52.3], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.155.193.21], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.152.3.240]) show inability to learn from mistakes. Finally he has had plenty of time to publicly appologize either here or on his talk page and I would find it really hard to advocate indefinite block if he had said ''"I am very sorry, it will not happen again."''. But nothing like that has happened, on the contrary he seemed to think that shouting "LIAR" with full capital letters [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=136388827], accusing others in forming some kind of coalition aganist him [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=136410847], asking block of others [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=136413055] and accusing others playing cowboy [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=136417976], is correct way of action.--[[User:Staberinde|Staberinde]] 19:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::It's appalling that we'd even ''consider'' allowing a person who repeatedly makes such remarks to keep the privilege of editing Wikipedia. [[User:Raymond arritt|Raymond Arritt]] 20:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Some Estonian users' shouting "Kill him! Kill him!" is absolutely unproductive. Alex Bakharev has "comrades in arms"? Give facts. "asking block of others" is criminal? No. (BTW, do you, Staberinde, remember the case, when DLX, while avoiding [[WP:DR]], cherry-picked Sandstein, who blocked me, new editor, without a warning?) As to LIAR, I'm not a judge, but looks like he wasn't far from truth. [[User:Beatle Fab Four|Beatle Fab Four]] 20:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
: Thank you for showing your own slurs. Please don't put words into my mouth. As you see I'm willing to give the person benefit of the doubt that after three months he can contribute sensibly. My remark on "comrades in arms"(note quotes) was based on impression that he and the subject of this debate have shared a side in number of articles. I however assume good faith in Alex Bakharev actions. And I still believe that final decision should be made by an unrelated admin.--[[User:Alexia Death|Alexia Death]] 07:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:This discussion is moot to begin with. User Ghirla applies double standards, defending "people of the same blood", yet resenting racism, with a history of advocating indef. blocks for "nationalist trolls"- whether Romanian, Polish, Lithuanian, amend list here. Just the usual "Russian" way of "all hell breaks lose upon you if you disagree and make a big hissy fit if you dont anyway". Im sorry Ghirla, but your history of (ab)use totally discredits your campaign war for incivility based along racialist lines. {{Unsigned2|03:01, 9 June 2007|83.5.209.162}}
:: I have to concur with the above statement. User Ghirla never misses a chance to advocate for Russian editors [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=136829424&oldid=136829228][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masamage&diff=prev&oldid=136830398], no matter what they do. I haven't noticed him admonishing any Russian editors for anything either. People should be judged by their actions not by who they are or what nationality they are. This is the perceived bias that many people notice, when Russian editors get more advocats and always a second consideration that many others don't. --[[User:Hillock65|Hillock65]] 15:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Hillock, I'm glad that your 31-hour block has just expired. Would you put the blame on me again? Of course, there is a great Russian cabal, and [[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]] (who performed the block) is apparently part of it, right? [[User:Bonaparte]] knows that too well, but he did not miss his chance to join the latest trollfest above. Wikipedia is tolerant, but even its tolerance has its limits. I won't stoop to commenting to this thread again. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 16:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Bonaparte being a troll does not make the provided edits less factual. And the limits for tolerance should be the same for all users. Which reminds me of Bonaparte: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Bonaparte His initial 12 or so blocks, from one day to one week]] (by your co-national [[User:Mikkalai]]) were not for having socks, but for ethnic and sexual slurs, and this is what motivated his swift ban following the discovery of socks. How about applying the same rules here to your co-national [[User:M.V.E.i.]]? [[User:Dpotop|Dpotop]] 18:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Dear Ghirla, please don't insult people's intelligence with the above comments. I have never claimed that my block was unjust or accused anyone in mistreating me, I pointed out your bias in regards to Russian editors. It is everywere. If you don't stoop to acknowledge it, then someone else will. You never miss a point to point out at transgressions of others but blatantly prefer to overlook the same actions by the Russian editors. I am talking about the ones with the picture of Stalin proudly displayed on the front page[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kuban_kazak]. The ones who recruit revenge squads on the Russian WP [http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%3A%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BA_%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC&diff=4304740&oldid=4304240]. You not only knew about it, you participated in that discussion thread yourself, and yet never said a word to stop it! And yet you have the nerve to admonish others? --[[User:Hillock65|Hillock65]] 19:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Neil]] has a picture of [[Hitler]] on his user page, and so what? Having a dictator's picture on one's user page is not a crime. [[User:Piotrus]] wheel warred about unblocking his compatriots [[User:Molobo]] and [[User:Halibutt]], and so what? Probably he knows them better then non-Polish editors do. You maintain [[:uk:Вікіпедія:Ксенофобії — НІ!]] and [[:uk:Обговорення Вікіпедії:Допомога англійській Вікіпедії]], two special pages which urge Ukrainian editors to go to English Wikipedia and support your anti-Semitic edits on [[History of the Jews in Ukraine]], so what? Well, in the latter case I am at a loss for an explanation, since for this very reason the page has to be permanently semiprotected. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 19:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Whoa whoa whoa, context. That picture is there as a joke - note the caption. This does not mean I am a Nazi (far, far from it). [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 21:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Please, settle all your disagreements with other users the way you like it, the discussion is not about them. And if their actions are deemed improper by you, is that a reason to justify your own bias? In regards to several month old message boards on uk. wiki, I guess even you can see the difference between asking for attention on a particular article and calling to "help put the user X in his right place" which is the last line in the diff I cited above. I dln't see any diffs implicating me in directing someone to get you or someone else. Additionally, I was not taking "holier than thou" attitude and didn't even attempt to advocate for Ukrainian editors that got banned here. Whatever happens, people should get the same treatment be they Russian or not. Double standards if practiced by someone else do not give you the right to do the same. --[[User:Hillock65|Hillock65]] 20:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::: Again and again and again, absolutely pointless speech. M.V.E.i is from Israel. [[User:Beatle Fab Four|Beatle Fab Four]] 20:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kuban_kazak&diff=prev&oldid=130343931 Pointless, you say?] [[User:Dpotop|Dpotop]] 21:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::: Can't comment the message above. I'm not a specialist in [[racial purity]]. [[User:Beatle Fab Four|Beatle Fab Four]] 22:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Request for outside admin review ==
I'd like to ask for another set of eyes on [[akathisia]] and related articles. {{user|Dr CareBear}} appeared recently and has been tendentiously reinserting unsourced and unencyclopedic material in this and many related articles. If you check his talk page, you'll see attempts to bring him around, which proved fruitless. After hitting 3 reverts, several new accounts sprung up to continue his crusade. These were [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dr CareBear|identified as socks by checkuser]] and blocked, after which yet another sock, {{user|NetCafe}}, popped up. I think this is a clear-cut case of disruption and abusive sockpuppetry, but at this point several of the admins who watch medical articles (myself, [[User:Davidruben]]) have gotten sucked in, and I'd like some outside scrutiny regarding the situation and the appropriateness of the actions taken. Thanks. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 16:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
: A sensible and thoughtful request for comment, and I'ld be happy to help point to various specific action & responses, or to answer any queries on this episode. [[User:Davidruben|David Ruben]] <sup> [[User talk:Davidruben|Talk]] </sup> 17:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:*Support block of [[User:Netcafe]], it's a confirmed meat puppet at the least, and is treated as a sock per [[WP:MEAT]]. I've extended the block of {{user|Dr CareBear}} to a week based on [[WP:EVADE]] and [[WP:MEAT]]. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]] </small> 18:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you for stepping in, Steve. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]''' <sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 23:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::*You're welcome. I can't really comment too much on the articles, they're outside my scope of understanding, but the user is in clear breach of behavioural policy and I think you're on the money. Probably worth keeping an eye on any other users sprouting up, but I think regarding the sock puppetry and the evading bans it's all on strong ground. [[User:Steve block|Steve block]] <small>[[User talk:Steve block|Talk]] </small> 14:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Captain scarlet and microformats ==
With reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Captain_scarlet&diff=prev&oldid=135761816 this recent edit] by the above user ({{user|Captain scarlet}}) where they say that "This user's contributions now solely consist on removing as many Microformats as posible to maintain quality on Wikipedia." Could this be considered an attempt to [[WP:POINT|disrupt Wikipedia to make a point]]? They have made their dislike for Microformats clear yet fail to justify the reasons for removing it on a large number of occasions as can be seen by looking at [[Special:Contributions/Captain_scarlet]]. Comments from this editor on this issue tend to be similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATinsley_Viaduct&diff=130760174&oldid=130744564 this] where they plainly dismiss the addition of microformats with other editors without considering the possible benefits of the change on the appearance of pages for our readers. It is clear that the user and the main editor behind microformats, [[User:Pigsonthewing]] have had numerous disagreements in the past and I feel that [[User:Captain scarlet|Captain scarlet]]'s dislike for [[microformat]]s and revert campaign against them may have more to do with this than actually writing an encyclopaedia.
Please note that previous attempts to discuss my concerns with this editor have led to the demand that I do not communicate with him via his talk page ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdambro&diff=122263561&oldid=122259823 diff]) following his comment that "Whatever you tell me will be delete and ignored whatever its content". For this reason I will not be informing [[User:Captain scarlet|Captain scarlet]] of this. [[User:Adambro|Adambro]] 11:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Here we go again... '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 13:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:"''Please note that previous attempts to discuss my concerns with this editor have led to the demand that I do not communicate with him via his talk page''" - likewise. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 13:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::The particular edit on his userpage is just trolling, and you'd probably do well to ignore it, since he hasn't actually created any disruptive microformats. That said, diffs like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=130760174 this one] seem like a more significant problem. -[[User:Hit bull, win steak|Hit bull, win steak]]<sup>[[User talk:Hit bull, win steak|(Moo!)]]</sup> 13:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Rampant [[WP:CIVIL|incivility]] is pretty much the norm whenever [[User:Captain scarlet]] and [[User:Pigsonthewing]] find there way to the same talkpage.--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 13:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And it's not from me. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 13:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::<Cynical mode>Oh my god you're serious</cynical mode> No further comment. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 15:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::No-one has suggested that he is ''creating'' microformats of any sort. far from it; he is repeatedly removing templates which happen to include microformats, without apparently any reason for doing so, or being willing to enter into reasoned discussion. Indeed, his last 50 edits alone include 13 such reverts, to just three articles: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=135772781], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&diff=prev&oldid=135760829], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=135760780], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheffield_Town_Hall&diff=prev&oldid=132668097], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=130731664], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheffield_Town_Hall&diff=prev&oldid=130731374], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&diff=prev&oldid=130625643], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=130625592], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheffield_Town_Hall&diff=prev&oldid=130506928], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=130503212], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&diff=prev&oldid=130503134], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&diff=prev&oldid=130304010] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&diff=prev&oldid=130303209]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 13:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Articles you and Adambro didn't revert either... [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&oldid=135787478] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&oldid=132669670] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&oldid=130607884] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meersbrook&oldid=130304973] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=135771953] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=130607703] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=130304785] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=125838959] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=125766567] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=124958232] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=123207676] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=123030537] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=123027773] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tinsley_Viaduct&oldid=122602412]
:::: These reverts were made after Pigsonthewing ignored any comments left on talk pages, other users suggestions and compromises; [[Talk:Tinsley_Viaduct]], [[Talk:Tinsley_Viaduct/coordinates]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Meersbrook]]. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 15:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have ignored no meaningful comments and have worked towards compromises. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 15:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::If you haven't ignored anything, then I haven't either and this time consuming nonsense is nothing more than a comment on your own behaviour. Fact is you canot accuse me of doing anything more than what you do. Criticising me is nothing more than criticising yourself, if you're ready to talk, do so. You have done nothing of the sort except using vitriolous comments against me and anyone else who disagree with you, with a support of an ''administrator''... If my edits now consist only on reverting the inclusion of Micrpoformats is because I view Microformats as nothing more than a useless gadget and because I have no desire to spend time adding valuable content thanks to you. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 22:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::"''you canot (sic) accuse me of doing anything more than what you do''" Quite clearly I - and others can; and do. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 08:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Which supports my comments and show unwilling to cooperate with others you are. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 17:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
=== Captain scarlet and microformats (outdent 1)===
:You try an RFC on whether to use Microformats on the pages in question yet? I took a quick look at the list and didn't see one, but I might've missed it. -[[User:Hit bull, win steak|Hit bull, win steak]]<sup>[[User talk:Hit bull, win steak|(Moo!)]]</sup> 14:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::There's this [[Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Microformats]] where no-one objected to their inclusion. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 15:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::In which case, Captain Scarlet should probably add a brief and cogent summary of his concerns to that section, and then we can see whether his arguments are able to convince anybody else. The consensus on that page seems to be in favor of microformats, but the discussion isn't exactly extensive, so it wouldn't hurt to hash out the pros and cons in more detail. -[[User:Hit bull, win steak|Hit bull, win steak]]<sup>[[User talk:Hit bull, win steak|(Moo!)]]</sup> 20:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I just have, taking care to put as much detail as Pigsonthewing. All in all, it seems Pigsonthewing is wasting his time and trying to implement something that has not yet been widely accept. That's just what's been said on the contested tlak pages like... So long Pigsonthewing doesn't shout concensus after two comments though. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 17:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: I agree with HBWS on this. Until I saw this discussion, I had never heard of Microformats, let alone knew they existed; I doubt that am I the only one on Wikipedia. (Yes, I have followed the links, read the articles, & they seem to be mostly harmless.) Being intolerant about something the rest of us have never heard about does not build consensus; explaining why they are bad might. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 21:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::your comment isn't really acceptable since you qualify my comments as intolerent. My history with Pigsonthewing is that Pigsonthewing makes intolerant and narrowminded comments, you are keen to forget that and believe Pigsonthewing's query by word alone. I don't particularly have to justify why I'm against, Pigsonthewing does however have to argue why they are such an asset to the plain reader. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 17:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: I admit "intolerant" wasn't the best choice of words, but I'm not taking any one's side here (except perhaps HBWS). My point is that if you don't like them, if you explain why, you'll convince the rest of us that they are bad, & you might put an end to them. Staging a campaign against their existence without explaining yourself (beyond saying that they are an "unapproved" innovation) at best makes people think you are some kind of a kook. But if you don't care about how you come across to the rest of us -- well, continue on. Just don't do any of the usual stuff that you know will get you into trouble. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 19:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::"''My history with Pigsonthewing is that Pigsonthewing makes intolerant and narrowminded comments''" - that's a lie. Your exclamation "Die! Microformats" is quite reasonably described as "intolerant", as is your puerile habit of linking the word "microformats" to the article on feces.
::::::"''I don't particularly have to justify why I'm against''" - er, you do if you wish your claims to be taken seriously, You've made a claim, it's up to you to substantiate it.
::::::"''Pigsonthewing does however have to argue why they are such an asset to the plain reader''" My name is Andy Mabbett, and I have already explained, at length, the benefits of microformats, which are ''invisible'' to the "plain reader". In contrast, you appear to have advanced no arguements to suport yor - untenable - position.
:::::::[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 22:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Pigsonthewing: [QUOTE]"''My history with Pigsonthewing is that Pigsonthewing makes intolerant and narrowminded comments''" - that's a lie. Your exclamation "Die! Microformats" is quite reasonably described as "intolerant", as is your puerile habit of linking the word "microformats" to the article on feces.[/QUOTE] Should I serve that to the incidents page and ask you to apologise for your comments or will you openly apologise for your outrageous comments?
::::::::Anyway, Pigsonthewing; I have in length offered you many arguments why quoting your own arguments but you chose to dismiss them, this morning once again was an example of dismissal [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWhat_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=136561395&oldid=136520124]. I have yet to see explainations the benefits of Microformats, which are in no way invisible in articles and involve lengthy work for an apparent identical result. In your explaination you may include uses of Microformat and explain how having a different and complicated code may benefit the plain reader by showing an apparent identical result? you have failed to follow the appropriate procedure to implement what you broadcast as a groundbreaking project and started implementation, including multiple reverts to impose this rather than face the music first and wait the weeks or months necessary to implement this. This enquery is not about this however but about the fact that I show my dislike for Microformats, an opinion hardly condemnable since the opossite isn't. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 11:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I stand by the comments you quote. You appear to remain unable or unwilling to substantiate your claims about microformats; but instead parade an real or feigned ignorance of their benefits and a refusal to read or acknowledge the references you have previously been provided with (once again: [[WP:UF]]). You say microformats "''are in no way invisible in articles''". In what way are they visible? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 12:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
===Further unjustified reverting===
In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheffield_Central_Library&diff=136578454&oldid=136459338], Captain Scarlet has just removed coordinates from an infobox (and in doing so removed a geo microformat from the page), with the one-word edit summary "fix". What was broken? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 12:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:I could ask the same about your edit immediately prior to that ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheffield_Central_Library&diff=prev&oldid=136459338]), with an identical one-word edit summary of "fix". Andy, I would suggest taking this to the [[WP:VP|Village Pump]] for community discussion, as at present there's nothing that requires admin attention. State the facts, the perceived advantages and disadvantages of them, and perhaps discuss where they should and should not be implemented. There is also, I understand, a WikiProject for Microformats ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats]]) Andy has started, which Captain Scarlet should consider participating in. This is an excellent idea. I would ask both sides to remain calm and wait for a community consensus on the issue of microformats (there's no rush) before implementing or not-implementing them. [[User:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; font-family: cursive ;color: #006600">Neil</span>]] [[User_talk:Neil|<span style="text-decoration:none; color: #006600"><big>╦</big></span>]] 20:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::What was being fixed in that edit, was the replacement of the ''coord'' template I'd mistakenly used, and which was not valid in that infobox, with the correct latitude and longitude parameters, I thought that was clear from the diffs, and the fact that it immediately followed my previous edit. Microformats have already been discussed at VP, and are currenty being discussed at [[WP:NOT]]'s talk page. I didn't raise this here, Adambro did, and I think his comments indicate quite clearly why admin attention is needed. I fail to see why you are suggesting that an editor should join a project whose purpose he has publicly avowed to resist, to the point of declaring such action to be being his only reason to be here. So far as consensus goes, he is the only editor opposed to any use of Microformats; which are already used on hundreds of thousands of pages on Wikipedia. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 20:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::You know I am not the only person opposing Microformats and you bloody well know that if my sole contirbutions are to refrain your zele is because I don't wish to encounter your tirade. From our first enoucnter you have been unable to show the advantages of your edits, in fact you refused too: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADerbyshire_tramways&diff=120190381&oldid=120187694] "it does a lot", [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWhat_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=136625476&oldid=136622782] "I'm impressed by the power of your crystal ball". Maybe I hsould follow your lead and report you everytime I encounter your unacceptable responses, you haven't shown much diplomatic capabilities since you've reported god knows how many times and thought it mature to ask for a life ban? I'm suppose to rpely to that by "sure go ahead" ? I've always told you what I disliked about Microformats but you persist on ignoring everycomment I have made by replying with the little straw men and the slippery slope. As Neil has poinyted out there's no rush, I'm patient, you could, Pigsonthewing, have waited before as you say "which are already used on hundreds of thousands of pages on Wikipedia" implemented by you, the cheak! Remember [[WP:OWN]] It's not because you've made those hundreds of changes that they're any beter, more important or more worthy than a newbie's single edit. I have taken time, as Neil suggested, to point out a few worries I have with your new system but you have chosen once more to ignore my comments. I don't know what to do really, you seem so unwilling to '''talk''' our exchanges look like a monologue, you copy pasting the same dismissive coments everytime [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWhat_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=136583641&oldid=136577650]; you know what you said in the past so spare me the gullible, you haven't answered Paradismal and I await stil a reply to his concerns. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 10:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::''"So far as consensus goes, he is the only editor opposed to any use of Microformats"'' wrong. [[User:lewisskinner|'''<font color="red">L.J.Skinner'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:lewisskinner|<font color="green">''wot''</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/lewisskinner|<font color="blue">''I did''</font>]]</sup> 23:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Cite? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 23:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Check the conversations you've participated in and read the replies which inform you of the opposition. '''<FONT COLOR="#000000">[[User:Captain scarlet|Captain Scarlet]]</FONT>''' ''<FONT COLOR="#FF0000">[[User talk:Captain scarlet|and the Mysterons]]</FONT>'' 10:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::He has also declared that he "[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_by_Captain_Scarlet&diff=prev&oldid=5238564 hates Wikipedia and <s>all of</s> its contributors]" and that "all '''my''' work will be taken away from you Adam and *all* the rest of you" (my asterisks). [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 09:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC) (upated 10:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC))
:::Another brilliant misquote from Pigsonthewing, it is Pigsonthewing isn't it? ''You've got some cheak speaking here since you are the cause for me hating wikipedia and its contributors'' I don't see ''all'' in that sentence, there are some good people here willing to go make efforts to work with others, compromise, look information up if it's missing, then there's you. Yes some people are distastful but I have to live with them, hence I'm here trying to convince I don't participate in a cendetta but trying to convince you what you're doing is wrong! {{unsigned|Captain scarlet}}
== [[User:MONGO]] ==
[[User:MONGO]] is going on a rampage altering archived project and talk pages, etc., to "enforce" his interpretation of policy on linking to sites (in this case, regarding [[Wikitruth]], a site that has a page on Wikipedia, and about which MONGO only very recently changed his mind about whether it was an "attack site"). It is my understanding that archived pages are not to be edited by anybody for any reason; they are there to preserve history. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 19:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I wasn't aware of the full record of that websites mirroring of deleted pages and other attacks. Once I was, I saw it as necessary to delink to that site as much as possible. Someone please tell Dtobias to stop wikistalking my edits. Archived pages are not exempt from being edited to remove attacks. The banner on the top of them is there only so people understand that if they have new comments to make, they should do so on the active discussion page since no one will likely be responding to them on an archived page. Dtobias, do not wikistalk my edits.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 19:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*While utterly pointless, removing links to attack ''pages'' out of archives isn't really inappropriate. In general, he should probably be leaving a template or such in their place, but whatever. [[User:WilyD|Wily]]<font color="FF8800">[[User talk:WilyD|D]]</font> 19:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*::It should be noted that we routinely are removing fair use violations from archive pages. Archive pages are not inviolate. [[User:NoSeptember/Signature13|<font color = "green">'''NoSeptember'''</font>]] 19:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*:He's indiscriminately removing ''all'' links to the sites in question, as usual. See [[User:Dtobias/Why BADSITES is bad policy|my essay]] for some reasons why this is a bad idea. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 19:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Unarchiving to comment. Please see instructions at the top of this page: ''Please don't try to stop other people from discussing by inserting the <nowiki>{{discussion top}}</nowiki> — <nowiki>{{discussion bottom}}</nowiki> templates to "archive" ongoing discussions.'' WTF? My own talkpage archives keep popping up on my watchlist because some bot has had its mysterious way with them—"substituting user signatures" and whatever. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bishonen/Archive_2&diff=133602154&oldid=121574842 Here]'s one at random. And as NoSeptember points out, FU violations are continually being whisked out of there. I've never seen a template left in place of the removed material. Should I start reverting the bots...? Please cut it out, DTobias. We don't do edits that have no other purpose than to annoy, no matter what the banner at the top of archive pages says. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 19:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC).
:So once again MONGO gets off scot free, while the person who criticizes him gets slapped. There really does seem to be an "untouchable caste" here. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 20:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::This racing through Wikipedia with a black censor's pen is just embarrassing to the entire project. The primness, the hysteria, the hypocrisy.--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 20:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::: You missed ''the harassment'' and ''the offsite attacks''. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 20:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::How on earth could I have missed that?--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 21:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Attack sites are attack sites whether or not the links exist on so called "archived" pages. Who cares if their links get deleted? --[[User:Tbeatty|Tbeatty]] 21:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*Mongo's actions are clearly disruptive. This is an attempt to enforce a failed policy proposal via edit warring and must not be tolerated. [[User talk:Crotalus horridus|<font color="#11A"><b><tt>*** Crotalus ***</tt></b></font>]] 21:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
**I thought it was an ArbCom ruling, as stated at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO#Links to attack site]]?—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 21:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
***Arbcom dont create policy they interpret it, and in that sense we are a democracy, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 21:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*It is an Arbcom ruling (in addition to common sense), that unneeded links to attack sites should be removed with extreme prejudice. That does ''not'' mean that someone can arbitrarily declare something an attack site and then remove all links to it. -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 21:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*And Arbcom, as is its right, has chosen not to confirm that principle in subsequent decisions[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Philwelch/Proposed_decision#Attack_sites]. [[User:Risker|Risker]] 21:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Try again. The arbitrators who voted against that principle did so because they thought its language was too broad, not because they were against the principle ''per se''. jpgordon made the point that the language should have said something like "sites that commonly include attacks". And the very next principle, which passed, illustrates this, because it is a ban against ED links - and ED is a site that most certainly "commonly includes attacks" and outings against Wikipedia editors, as does WikiTruth, as can be seen by a 5-second perusal of its front page. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 22:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*Support Mongo actions: he is doing the right thing [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] 01:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Is [[Wikitruth]] an attack site? Does there need to be some kind of clarification by ArbCom like what was asked for with WR? Can't a bot be written to remove the links that MONGO is removing? Is Miller lite less filling or does it taste great? <!-- last question is comedy i am sorry -->[[User:Daveh4h|daveh4h]] 01:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
This is why WP:BADSITES would be good as it would state clearly which ones should be removed. Right now say for Wikitruth and Wikipedia Review while obviously links to pages that contain personal attacks should be removed as personal attacks, links to their main page or parts of the site that don't have attacks are unclear. Without WP:BADSITES all we have is the spam blacklist and I think people are allowed to remove links to that. If anyone can get ahold of Kelly Martin who appears not to be on Wikipedia anymore but is on IRC maybe, she knows more about how Wikitruth is an attack site. [[User:SakotGrimshine|SakotGrimshine]] 05:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
* OK. EITHER ArbCom's decision may be taken as a statement of policy, in which case MONGO is not doing anything wrong, OR policy is established by the community by individual [[WP:BOLD|bold actions]], in which case MONGO is not doing anything wrong. No administrator action required. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 22:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Urgent help at RFCN ==
Can someone nip down to RFCN, I've closed a discussion as allow because non latin character usernames are allows - 2 users keep reverting me, my fingers edging closer to the block button - hence why I'm posting here. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 23:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Blocking either one of us because you are in a content dispute with us is not proper. But don't worry, I won't revert any further your unfair speedy close of an ongoing discussion. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 23:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I have my own opinions about what RFCN ''urgently'' needs but I doubt anything will be gained by reiterating them. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 06:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm sure Charlotte, that now me and you can finally agree on something here. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 06:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:You should '''never''' threaten to block someone you are in dispute with. Often these cases bring up lack of community support for a policy - why ''does'' the English wikipedia allow usernames people can't type and many can't display? It's not clearcut that we want this. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 22:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names#だってばよ]] ==
I posted a request for comment on the user name of [[User:だってばよ]], which clearly violates policy at [[WP:UN]] which says ''be careful to avoid names which may be offensive, confusing or unintelligible to English-speaking users''. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite]] keeps closing the discussion, claiming the name is allowed by policy, but I see entirely the opposite, according to what I quoted above. And not only that, but Ryan Postlethwaite is accusing me of [[WP:BITE|biting the newbie]] for having the audacity to make a respectful request that he change his name. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 23:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:So long as they use the English transliteration in their signature, then the username (which is read as Dattebayo) is fine by policy as far as I know.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 23:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Precisely, so if conrnux would like to stop being a [[WP:DICK|dick]] and read policy before blind reverting me. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 23:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::::<small>''Continued amazement at people who think it's [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] to call someone else a ''[[Dick (insult)|dick]]''...'' /[[User:Wangi|wangi]] 00:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</small>
:::::Well if they revert my policy related closure - thats what they get. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 00:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::The constant banding of [[WP:DICK]] really does piss me off... It's the assumption that it's not a "big deal" to badge someone as such... Well, lets look at it another way - I could say stop being a ''complete [[cunt]]''. That's pretty much as acceptable where I come from :) Apologies for the off-topic rant. /[[User:Wangi|wangi]] 00:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::More of the same from Ryan Postlethwaite, who seems to think that my repeated civil responses to the user were somehow biting him. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 01:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Well [[WP:DICK]] suggests that anyone invoking it is also one. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 23:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks for assuming good faith. I did read the policy, I've been quoting it to you. Alright, whatever, you want to allow people to have user names that only look like squares or question marks and can't be differentiated from anybody else'se user name with square or question marks, who am I to question an <s>exalted one</s> admin "we're admins, we don't work by consensus", indeed. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 23:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I think we've all been saying. So what we ''should'' be doing is advising the user to change his signature, not telling him his username is just fine as it is. So the request should not have been closed as "allow," but as "allow on the proviso that the user change his signature to one that is readable by English users." [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 23:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:And I've told the user to do so on his userpage.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 23:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
(after much edit conflicting)The former prohibition on non-English names is not really enforced any more. At some point in the not-all-that-distant future, we are going to have [[m:Single User Login]] and we certainly aren't going to refuse to recognize users who register to other wikis then. If someone is going to be a regular participant (as opposed to just doing minor updates here while focusing on another language), as said above, they should be encouraged to add something English to their signature, but we can't really disallow these names any more. One thing that is really a good idea for everyone is to download some of the more common Asian font packs - that way, you can differentiate between nonsense (? marks and squares) vs international characters. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 23:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
: Discussion on en.wikipedia does not override consensus in the wider wikimedia community. This username is *permitted*. If this person edits often they may want to also include a latin signature, but that's for another day.
: If you are seriously still having issues with squares and question marks, then please update your system. Software written this century typically has adequate UTF-8 support.
: --[[User:Kim Bruning|Kim Bruning]] 00:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::How do you know what system they're using? How do you know it's not nine years old? How do UTF8 Japanese characters render on, say, a Braille display? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 00:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::They have their own braille system. See [[Japanese braille]].—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 00:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps, but why would that be available to an English-language-Wikipedia user? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 10:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Good grief ... there's no reason to be rude about it. Asian font packs are not automatically installed with 2000 and I could be wrong, but I don't think they were with all versions of XP. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 00:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::And should you be on a public computer, you may not be able to install Asian font packs. [[User:Phony Saint|Phony Saint]] 00:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: Single user login has been in the not to distant future for well longer than I care to remember. --[[User_talk:Pgk|pgk]] 00:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::In an MMO I play, such updates are called to be showing up Soon™.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 00:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Sort of the [[Duke_Nukem_Forever]] development team will get right on it as soon as they've finished the current project. --[[User_talk:Pgk|pgk]] 00:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've removed the requirement of intelligible usernames from the nutshell of [[WP:UN]] to reflect current understanding of the policy. [[user:Nadav1|nadav]] <small>([[user talk:Nadav1|talk]])</small> 07:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::The policy is flexible - if the community wants usernames they can type and display then they can have it, surely? Policy is not law, set in stone. (The underlying argument is presumably about language imperialism, however as a user you function much better with a username people can read. Asking people to change their username to something that doesn't show up as blocks doesn't make you a [[soup nazi|nazi]]). Plenty of public computers don't have those fonts - and even with the fonts you can't type them. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 23:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Prematurely. The policy '''clearly''' states that user names must not be confusing. We can't reasonably expect every user to have every character set installed on his or her computer. And even if we did, we can't expect every user of the English language Wikipedia to be able to read every character of every available language. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 23:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Just for the record, my PC is less than two years old and runs on regularly updated Windows XP, and this username prints out as little squares on my monitor.--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 23:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[User:Smee|Smee]] wikistalking? ==
{{resolved| User took articles off watchlist. User warned.}}
In the past 24hrs three of my valid changes (or reverts from destructive edits) have been reverted
by [[User:Smee|Smee]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ronald_DeWolf&diff=prev&oldid=136910121 here](RS showing that the before mentioned statements were later retracted was deleted), [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Sweeney_%28journalist%29&diff=prev&oldid=136508567 here ] (reference giving the context of earlier text deleted) and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology_Moscow_versus_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=136508270 here] (a local city administration is featured with own headline and lengthy text to "critisise" a European Court of Human Rights judgement against Russia), two times to delete a reference which is not in alignment with Smee's POV. Despite a warning of [[WP:COI]] violation Smee continues to delete valid references. This is not yet at a stage for high concern but Smee has provoked edits wars in the past if something did not go in alignment with her personal POV and just recently got blocked for 3RR, so can please someone watch this? Thanks, [[User:COFS|COFS]] 02:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Smee's edit's have been a major concern for a long time. This should be seriously looked at. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">⇒</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>Denny Crane.</sup></small>]] 02:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Agreed. I might add in [[User:Smee|Smee]]'s first [[WP:NPA]] violation of the day, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheWikiWiki&diff=prev&oldid=136962306 here]. [[User:COFS|COFS]] 02:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::How do you reconcile your [[WP:NPA]] complaint with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheWikiWiki&diff=136962098&oldid=136911915 your own use of very similar wording]? [[User:Raymond arritt|Raymond Arritt]] 02:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::That was supposed to be in internal joke, me repeating Smee's argumentation against me ("valid", says Smee) on "her" ("invalid", says Smee). [[User:COFS|COFS]] 03:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Indeed. Thank you for pointing this out, [[User:Raymond arritt|Raymond Arritt]]. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 02:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC).
::::::q.e.d. [[User:COFS|COFS]] 03:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::How is calling someone a single purpose account and meatpuppet a personal attack? People get called that all the time on this forum. [[User:SakotGrimshine|SakotGrimshine]] 06:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheWikiWiki&diff=prev&oldid=136962306 COFS calls another user a SPA] [[User:COFS|COFS]], given [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=COFS&namespace=0 you almost exclusively edit] articles related to [[Scientology]], as a result it also dominates the underlying purpose of most edits to talk pages too. If that wasn't enough you're editing from a CoS server as shown by [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS|your checkuser case]]. How do you reconcile calling another editor, whether they are or not, a [[WP:SPA|single purpose account?]] [[User:Anynobody|Anynobody]] 07:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
;Response from [[User:Smee|Smee]]
Please, take a moment and read through [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/COFS]]. There is more to this than meets the eye, with regard to [[User:COFS]]' actions. As for myself, these pages had been on my watchlist for a while now. However, regardless of what [[User:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}]] (<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|<span title="Contributions: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}">contribs</span>]] '''·''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log/move?user={{urlencode:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}}} <span title="Page moves: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}"><font color="002bb8">page moves</font></span>] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|<span title="Block User:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}">block user</span>]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|page=User:{{urlencode:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}}}}} <span title="Blocklog: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}"><font color="002bb8">block log</font></span>]{{#ifexist:{{SITENAME}}:Requests for checkuser/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}| '''·''' [[{{SITENAME}}:Requests for checkuser/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|rfcu]]}}) is stating, I will remove these pages from my watchlist now. However, the "warnings" posted to {{user|TheWikiWiki}} talk page were not in good faith, and I called them out as such. When you check out {{user|TheWikiWiki}} edit summaries, you will see that they were good faith edits. Thank you for your time. Yours, [[User:Smee|Smee]] 02:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC).
:For the full picture, whoever interested could check [[WP:OWN]] against [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Smee&diff=prev&oldid=136963503 this]. Thanks. I am going to leave this discussion at this point as I find myself once more wasting time with nonsense and the correction of lies. Anyone interested in the real story of Smee and her fights, please put a note on my talk page, thanks. [[User:COFS|COFS]] 02:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Smee, irregardless, the first diff provided (your revert of the sourced information) is unacceptable. There's another one in there, either the second or the third, that was ok. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">⇒</font>]] [[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:CLIMBING|<small><sup>Denny Crane.</sup></small>]] 02:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
*If that is how you feel, I apologize, and will avoid editing that article for a while, and take an extended break from it. Notice also how {{checkuser|COFS}} just now [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=136965146&oldid=136964983 removed] a comment from [[User:Raymond arritt]]. Most troubling. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 02:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC).
::Indeed! EC, sorry, and thanks for putting it back in. [[User:COFS|COFS]] 03:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
*If you check the histories, you will note that I ''have'' edited these articles in the past. However, in the interest of avoiding future conflicts with {{checkuser|COFS}}, I have now taken the articles [[Ronald DeWolf]], [[John Sweeney (journalist)]], and [[Church of Scientology Moscow versus Russia]] off of my watchlist. (Even though many of these recent edits by this user have very recently also been reverted by ''other'' editors. Thank you for your time. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 03:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC).
:: Taking articles off your watchlist for a while is indeed a wise move. Not editwarring in the first place, is a much wiser approach. The result of not editwarring, would be that no more complains will be posted in this noticeboard, to your and everybody's benefit. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|(talk)]]</small> 04:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Sounds good. Articles are off of my watchlist. Hopefully, [[User:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}]] (<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|<span title="Contributions: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}">contribs</span>]] '''·''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log/move?user={{urlencode:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}}} <span title="Page moves: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}"><font color="002bb8">page moves</font></span>] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|<span title="Block User:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}">block user</span>]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|page=User:{{urlencode:{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}}}}} <span title="Blocklog: {{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}"><font color="002bb8">block log</font></span>]{{#ifexist:{{SITENAME}}:Requests for checkuser/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}| '''·''' [[{{SITENAME}}:Requests for checkuser/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User|COFS}}}}}|rfcu]]}}) will show improved behaviour in the future as well. Thank you for your time. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 04:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC).
::I am sure she will. [[User:COFS|COFS]] 04:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I can't support [[User:Smee|Smee's]] decision to remove sourced information as cited in the first two diffs, such info should be kept. [[User:Smee|Smee's]] concerns about [[User:COFS|COFS']] [[WP:COI]] are well founded though, based on my understanding of what the [[WP:RFC/U]] case revealed. This editor is known to be using an IP from a [[Church of Scientology|CoS]] network, it was explained to me that the church does not allow open access to computers except for church business.
::: The first two diffs were an overreaction to these concerns on [[User:Smee|Smee's]] part, but looking at [[User:COFS|COFS]] recent edits as well as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology_Moscow_versus_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=136508270#_note-taskforce Diff 3]. I support, [[User:Smee|Smee's]] edit because looking at the source it does say what was added. [http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:RdvhNMSPTWkJ:fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/behoerden/inneres/arbeitsgruppe-scientology/2007-04-12-anmerkungen-engl-pdf,property%3Dsource.pdf+are+perfectly+entitled+to+refuse+such+registration+once+again+for+other,+sound+reasons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us]. Again I can't excuse the first two diffs, but shouldn't [[User:COFS|COFS]] be cautioned about [[WP:COI]] issues relating to complaints similar to what occurred in the third diff? [[User:Anynobody|Anynobody]] 06:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Impersonation? ==
[[user:Patricknoddy|Patricknoddy]] seems to have lost his password and is unable to log into his normal account (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3APatricknoddy&diff=136804801&oldid=134837118]). It appears he created a new account , [[user:Patricknoddynewaccount|Patricknoddynewaccount]]. However, this can't be confirmed because the original account never confirmed it and nothing is in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Patricknoddy&page= creation] log. Any admin want to look into this? <i>[[User:Wikihermit|<font color="black"><b>Wikihermit</b></font>]]</i> <small><sup>([[user_talk:Wikihermit|Talk]] • [[User:HermesBot|HermesBot]])</sup></small> 03:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[User:Patricknoddyontheroad]] too. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 04:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Odd enough. He was still editing with the original account during the dates the account <small>([[User:Patricknoddyontheroad]])</small> was created, and like the other he never confirmed it and it never showed up in the creation log either. --<i>[[User:Wikihermit|<font color="black"><b>Wikihermit</b></font>]]</i> <small><sup>([[user_talk:Wikihermit|Talk]] • [[User:HermesBot|HermesBot]])</sup></small> 04:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: Well not sure what you are asking anyway, since even if he could confirm to be the same person, we can't reset passwords either. --[[User_talk:Pgk|pgk]] 07:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[User:The Anonymous One]] blocked 72 hours, should we make it indef? ==
I've just blocked {{userlinks|The Anonymous One}} for 72 hours for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=next&offset=20070609022424&limit=103&target=The+Anonymous+One this.] I'm getting ready to leave a "one more stunt and it's indef" message, but I'm wondering, has this user ever been constructive? Is there any reason not to just go to indef now? ··[[ user: coelacan |coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>]][[ user talk: coelacan |acan]] 04:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: A no brainer, Coelacan. Indefblock indeed. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|(talk)]]</small> 04:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::The main reason I'm asking is if we indef, this one might just sockpuppet, whereas this account is not hard to keep tabs on. I know this is hard to predict, though. =/ ··[[ user: coelacan |coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>]][[ user talk: coelacan |acan]] 04:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
*I don't know, has his account been compromised? Based on his edit histories, It is very unusual of him to go rogue. Indeed I agree with the indef block, but only as a temporary measure until things sort out.--<!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];PrestonH--><font color="red">[[User:PrestonH|'''Pre''']]</font><font color="brown">[[User talk:PrestonH|'''ston''']]</font><font color="#6495ED">[[Special:Contributions/PrestonH|'''H''']]</font><sup><font color="#228B22">[[Wikipedia:Editor review/PrestonH (3)|(Review Me!)]]</font> • <font color="#CC5500">[[User:PrestonH/Autograph Book|(Sign Here!)]]</font></sup><!--ESC:PrestonH--> 04:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::The account has not been compromised. I don't think this is unusual; are we talking about the same "Anonymous One"? He's been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous&diff=prev&oldid=135514655 planning this.] I knew when that question showed up on the reference desk that there was trouble ahead. Other users warned him not to "make an ass of himself" but I'm honestly starting to wonder if he understands what that means. ··[[ user: coelacan |coe<span style=" font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>]][[ user talk: coelacan |acan]] 04:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
*What the--?! That behavior is unacceptable. Based on this diffs above, I support the indefblock. Again, that behavior is not tolerated.--<!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];PrestonH--><font color="red">[[User:PrestonH|'''Pre''']]</font><font color="brown">[[User talk:PrestonH|'''ston''']]</font><font color="#6495ED">[[Special:Contributions/PrestonH|'''H''']]</font><sup><font color="#228B22">[[Wikipedia:Editor review/PrestonH (3)|(Review Me!)]]</font> • <font color="#CC5500">[[User:PrestonH/Autograph Book|(Sign Here!)]]</font></sup><!--ESC:PrestonH--> 04:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked him indef. There's absolutely no excuse for his actions tonight.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 05:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:As the one who reported him to Coelacan to begin with, I strongly support this block; however, there should be no problem allowing him back if and when he apologizes for his behavior and pledges not to repeat it, or anything remotely like it, again. Perhaps he should individually apologize to each and every user he harassed.
:Though having looked further through his contribs, there seems to be a good deal of religion-related disruption; more than a matter of a simple apology would be needed, more like a very broad topical ban. Not sure.[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 08:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, my…[[User talk:The Anonymous One#Block]][[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 07:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
This user is persistently and perversely disruptive on topics of religion. He has form for this behaviour. His indignant responses to warnings and blocks show no sign of acceptance that his behaviour is unacceptable. Support indefblock. Worries about socks should play no part in the decision making on this issue. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 07:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Endorse indefblock, per lack of contrition shown on his talk page. Rationalizing that kind of harassment is not acceptable, ever. I dunno how much weight my opinion carries as a non-admin, but under no circumstances should he be allowed back.--[[User:Blueboy96|Blueboy]][[User talk:Blueboy96|96]] 12:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
This user has been an unmitigated pest ever since he got here. His latest tirade of attempted [[User_talk:The_Anonymous_One#Block|self justification]] indicates that he still has no grasp of what this project is for - and more importantly what it's not for - despite having it explained to him a number of times. He is here for only one purpose: to seek out people of various religious convictions and confront them with comments which he knows full well are going to be inflammatory. Since he shows complete inability to take on board what is said to him and modify his behaviour accordingly, I am definitely in favour of an indef block. His disappearance will be a positive benefit to the community here. --[[User:Stephen Burnett|Stephen Burnett]] 12:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
As much as it depresses me, endorse. He was told from the second he got that list (well, category) to be responsible and courteous with it, which he blatantly went against. That was bad enough, but then he tried to defend his actions... I don't feel it's possible for him to have any positive effect on Wikipedia or it's community. A quick glance at the numerous warnings on his talk page is sign enough for this --<small> [[User:Feba|Phoeba Wright]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Feba|OBJECTION!]]</sup> </small> 12:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== A Link to the Past (the user) ==
Firstly, I am unsure why [[User:A Link to the Past]] is changing the proper assessments of "B-class" to "Start-class" or "Stub-class" to several of the ''Dragon Ball''-related articles; it hints that he is doing that to most of them for no reason, see some links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball_Z:_Broly_-_The_Legendary_Super_Saiyan&diff=prev&oldid=136941916], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball_Z:_Broly_Second_Coming&diff=prev&oldid=136941988], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broly&diff=prev&oldid=136942250], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akira_Toriyama&diff=prev&oldid=136959600], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Freeza&diff=prev&oldid=136943538], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Future_Trunks&diff=prev&oldid=136943612], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball_Z:_Legendary_Super_Warriors&diff=prev&oldid=136944745], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball_Z:_Hyper_Dimension&diff=prev&oldid=136944825]. It appears that he is [[WP:POINT|disrupting Wikipedia]] for nothing and nearly [[WP:NPA|personally attacks]] others, see some links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=136769093&oldid=136702694], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=prev&oldid=136847502], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=prev&oldid=136891634], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136897531], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136902748], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136909100], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136912593], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136915106]; he chills for a while, then makes a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136955622 false statement] concerning guidelines and then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=next&oldid=136970179 gets hot] again. He really won't [[WP:CALM|cool down]], even after I notified him to do so; he edit wars, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball&action=history this history], continuously replies in borderline uncivil tones, see some links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball_Z:_Budokai&diff=prev&oldid=136942416], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dragon_Ball:_Advanced_Adventure&diff=prev&oldid=136965208], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball&diff=136971216&oldid=136970179 this comment], and calls one of my comments a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29&diff=prev&oldid=136973407 "blatant response] to [[WP:ABF]]" and leaves such an uncalled message. I don't know what should be done about this user: he needs to stop acting in such a disruptive manner; it isn't hard to leave a civilized comments and discuss things normally. [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]]
...Wait, so you linked to my revert? You didn't link to me actually changing them in the first place, in which I gave my reason exactly as to why I changed them? Just what, exactly, was that little scheme supposed to do, make it seem like I was intentionally vandalizing the articles? Ironically, you are the one who began the edit war by reverting with absolutely no rationale whatsoever.
And it isn't hard to answer my questions. I became justly annoyed when you disrupted the discussion by refusing to answer my questions. I asked why Son Goku was more well-known to English readers, you never explained why. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Correction, you never asked me anything. I merely joined in on the discussion to show you two guidelines and due to your incivility, of course, I've had to correct you a couple of times for that. [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]]
:::My apologies. So what about the fact that you are actually the one that's keeping this debate heated by harassing me with accusations of trolling and vandalism in an unrelated subject? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: Unfortunately, in ALLTP's case, this isn't an isolated incident. ALTTP has an extensive history of bad behavior- spats, personal attacks, 3RR violations and more. Just look at this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:A_Link_to_the_Past block page]. And he's at it again, starting ANOTHER fight with yet ANOTHER user on here. Honestly, how many more incidents is ALTTP going to be allowed to cause? [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 05:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::I would enjoy assuming that this statement was not someone feeling vindictive over the fact that I turned [[Demasked]] into a redirect. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Of course not. [[Demasked]] is an entirely different affair, one that has no bearing, ALTTP, on your behavior. You are, for lack of a better word, argumentative. I chose not to engage you in a heated foof over Demasked because I have studied your prior history and decided to just wait and see whether or not more incidents would come up. And lo, here they are. [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 05:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't get irritated for no reason. I hate regional bias, and I hate when people ignore rules, and I hate when people just ignore as much as they can until the person goes away. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:And may I add that I have more or less calmed down, while you seem to be escalating by making accusations of me vandalizing and trolling? Take your own advice, please. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
ALTTP's block log is irrelevant to this discussion. He hasn't been blocked in six months, and the last block was rather questionable, IMO. Half the entries are due to a really bad [[WP:WHEEL|wheel war]] in which the blocking admin insisted on keeping a 48h block. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] 05:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
It is not as if I do not regret making those statements. I am often without sleep, and being without sleep + having to go to the post office to pick up some games I missed + bringing in my job application is an unfortunate prelude to a very heated debate. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I disagree with your assertion, [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]], that a user's block log, especially one so extensive, is "irrelevant". The block log, as well as discussions for which no blocks were issued, is extremely concerning. ALTTP, at the very least you need to get a clear understanding of what it means to keep a cool head- telling people (as you have done in the past), to "go to hell", calling people a "fucking dredge of humanity", "retard", along with other things, is almost frightening. I mean, sure, you apologized for your remarks a few times after the fact, but stepping on a toe is still stepping on a toe, even in a metaphorical sense. [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 05:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I withdrew all remarks I made, but made them visible for a reason. A significant spoiler to a plot would garner a similar reaction with no indication that the spoiler was coming. I only apologize that I said what I was thinking - I do not apologize for getting angry. I had the right TO get angry with him. If I ruined the plot of your favorite series, would you be going "oh well"? No, you'd be mad. And I've had irresponsible people spoiling this game for me constantly. Fact of the matter is that he was just the one who posted the biggest unmarked spoiler I've had shown to me for the series, and that's why I got mad. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 05:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Now this IS concerning. We all sometimes get heated, ALTTP. But that doesn't give us cause to attack people with insults and personal remarks! Yes, it is unfortunate that the user spoiled (either intentionally or unintentionally) a plotline for you, but there's no Wikipedia policy that says "Hey, if someone makes you mad, yell at em". To the contrary, Wiki cautions us all to keep a cool, calm demeanor and control ourselves. Even when mad. If someone else does something similar to you, is the community to expect the same sort of response in the future? [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 06:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was upset, not angry. The fact that I apologized makes it irrelevant. I have not exploded at anyone in such a fashion since. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 06:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::But will you again? That's the thousand-dollar question here. Tell you what- I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith- this time. But this needs to be the last time, ALTTP. In the future, no matter how much you may feel justified, no matter how upset or angry, just stay calm, adhere to Wikipedia's rules, and you'll be a much better editor for it. As long as this is the last of it, then I have no problem with considering the matter resolved. [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 06:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::This entire conversation between A Link to the Past, another user and an ip user is unimportant. Is there any administrator that can solve this matter concerning the reported user's behaviour? [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]]
::::::::: I disagree, Sesshomaru. Establishment of bad past behavior is something that plays into the establishment of future blocks. ALTTP's past behavioral history '''will''' come into play in whatever decision an admin makes. Just because I'm not pressing the issue doesn't mean that others won't. [[User:67.94.201.2|67.94.201.2]] 06:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::The issue is over, as far as I can see. The only one who seems to think that there's still anything to resolve is you. Read [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy]] - blocking is preventive, not punitive. And the fact that you want to get resolution for a resolved issue with administrative action shows that you need to calm down. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 06:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
This matter does not require administrator intervention. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:What should be done in this case? I didn't want you blocked, just an admin's second opinion. [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]]
::Well here are my two cents, while I have seen the user acting uncivil and literally biting people on discussions, as well as being annoyed by having him posting fake 3RR warnings in my talk page when I only reveted potential vandalism three times without breaking the rule and was excluded of the rule by it being a vandalism revert, I don't think he deserves to get banned or blocked for a massive period of time, perhaps the sysop measures to be taken here can be somewhat lenient considering that he was acting out of inmaturity and not out of bad will. -[[User:Dark Dragon Flame|<big>'''凶'''<big>]] 06:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah. Link is out of line on a lot of that stuff, but everyone just needs to calm down. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The only way for anyone to interpret my edits as vandalism is to make a huge stretch in assuming bad faith. My edit summary contained the reason I made the edit, so how could it be interpreted as vandalism? Vandalism is intentional attempts to lower the quality of Wikipedia. By the fact that I explained my lowering the grade, it cannot be construed as vandalism. 3RR states that to edit war can be a violation of 3RR, with or without crossing that magic number. I did not violate 3RR, as I did not make four reversions - I made an equal number of reversions as you did. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 07:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Two things and this is my last comment on the matter, you reverted to your version four times three times it was by me and one by Seshomaru, and second as was pointed to me by Seshomaru the edits could have been potentially malicious, now I am not really interested in pursuing further confrontation I sincerly hope you do the same. -[[User:Dark Dragon Flame|<big>'''凶'''<big>]] 07:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::This is not an excuse, though - there is potential for it to be a malicious edit, but Wikipedia states that you cannot assume that it is without evidence. Also, you seem to be confused - you are counting all four edits as reversions. On the Dragon Ball article, I first demoted the article, and then three more edits from me were reversions. That is not a case of four revert, that's most definitely three. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 07:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::<s>Originally I have no reason to chime in-- but do you know you should [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] first?</s>--[[User:Samuel Curtis|<font color="blue">Samuel</font>]] di [[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="red">Curtisi</font>]] di [[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">Salvadori</font>]] 14:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I mistook. Sorry. --[[User:Samuel Curtis|<font color="blue">Samuel</font>]] di [[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="red">Curtisi</font>]] di [[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">Salvadori</font>]] 14:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I never did say that I wanted anyone banned, all I wanted was for the bantering and bickering to end for good on Link's part. It gets to a point where disruption turns to attacking and that needs to be prevented before worse comes to worse. I'm done with this — I will be watching Link anyways for any more annoying behaviour. I suggest you change Link, for the better. [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]]
:Please follow the suggestions at [[WP:DR]]. This forum is for cases that require administrative intervention (deletions/blocks/page protections). ˉˉ<sup>[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']]</sup>[[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 17:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== {{Vandal|Avfnx}} ; {{ipvandal|24.190.180.244}} ==
Uses Avfnx and a number of other IP's particulary 24.190.180.244[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.190.180.244] which was discovered when he answered for a Avfnx question [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trinitario] and fixes Avfnx edits for clarifications [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=136967587]
and when he gave a fairwell speech [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=136440779]<br />
Warnings for 3rr violations [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAvfnx&diff=132337411&oldid=132239659], Has engaged in multiple edit wars on different pages going from one non-NPOV version to another "'''Juan Pablo Duarte y Diez''' a man of virtue, a romantic in a romantic age, a philosopher and an idealist" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juan_Pablo_Duarte&diff=prev&oldid=135997969] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juan_Pablo_Duarte&diff=prev&oldid=135725067]
His first edit fortold his POV with "What up with this Anti-Dominican Propaganda" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Richard_D._LeCour&diff=prev&oldid=132236807] <br />
Multiple references of personal attacks "Run you propaganda, do you...cause people like you wikipiedia losing credibility...you wanted your personal attack there you got it. ...point blank if they don't like how they been people welcome them in Dominican Republic, they can go home. If i didn't like how USA treat me i would go home, I have a country, USA not my country...so i don't go out in the street burn the flag. And remember something Dominican flag has the bible and the cross that very disrespectful and we got treat them more rights then Dominican, feel lucky that we don't do like the Americans and send ya right home..[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A64.131.205.111&diff=136482644&oldid=136284442] "Like in life, let the people that are '''full of shit talk, so the world can know how full of shit they are'''" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=136404046] <br />
Has been warned multiple times for personal attacks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAvfnx&diff=136644917&oldid=136416697] with each one labeling the incident in which he attacked someone. He was also given a final warning. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAvfnx&diff=136644917&oldid=136416697]
Seem to be an extremist, not caring about cited sources and denounces other nations while not caring about [[WP:Civility]] particularly Haiti .."This Anti-Dominican know so much that something i can't find where ceduala or passport is says race. This article everyday going to more to pure garbage. You could bring all this Haitian made article talking about DR.."[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=136942525].
Reverts edits on numerous pages that don't fit his liking [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merengue&diff=135428638&oldid=134237934] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=126753503]. Claims edits that aren't with his opinion are propaganda, even if they are cited. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:64.131.205.111&diff=prev&oldid=134498505] Non- NPOV opinions, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=next&oldid=133126350]
Deletes cited material with rationale being " Haiti facts on Haiti page " [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=136284528]
Places in information on cited material that cannot be derived from cited material [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=135719251]
, rationale behind support of a president [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=134281526]. <br />
A block is necessary at this point because it seems like that will be the only way in which to him cease from this behavior. [[User:YoSoyGuapo|YoSoyGuapo]] 10:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:: '''New 3rr vandalism report on said user''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=137028292] As well as removal of warnings on talk page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Avfnx&diff=prev&oldid=137027520] [[User:YoSoyGuapo|YoSoyGuapo]] 12:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:This appears to revolve around an article content dispute where no party seems innocent. Perhaps a nuetral admin should look at all the issues and comment. I will when I have more time. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 13:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:(copied from 3RR board) This user has not appear to have previously been formally ''warned'' regarding 3RR. This [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Avfnx&diff=prev&oldid=132337411 diff] shows that it is commented he might be in breach of 3RR but, and despite the edit summary, there is no mention of the possible consequences or a demand that he stop. I realise that warnings are a courtesy and editors are expected to know and abide by the rules, and that 3RR should be acted upon promptly, but I am a little concerned that [[User:Avfnx]] has been previously accused of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Avfnx&diff=prev&oldid=134949717 sockpuppetry] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Avfnx&diff=next&oldid=135389704 cleared by checkuser]), has had warnings for civility and personal attacks - the first of which is WP:KETTLE and the second of which I could find no evidence of in English (I cannot comment on Spanish remarks) - all levelled by individuals with whom he is in dispute with on [[Dominican Republic]]. I have a suspicion that some individuals are using admins and WP policies to conduct a campaign against this editor instead of attempting to resolve the dispute over the article in a more appropriate forum.[[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 20:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Block evasion by banned user ==
These articles are being plagued by sockpuppets of permabanned [[user:Dimror]] (& his checkuser confirmed sockpuppets, [[User:Vlug]] etc). He has been adding original research on the number of Muslims in Albania (changing the figure from 70% to 10%) with sources which needless to say don't support his claims. Before he was indefblocked he revert warred with his main username (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam_by_country&diff=122501449&oldid=122498739]). After he was indefblocked, dynamic anon IPs from AlboTeleco Networks have continued his activities (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islam_by_country&diff=124073001&oldid=124065078]) and have now escalated to numerous articles. He was banned in early April but the anon edit wars have been continuous until the present day despite having been reverted by numerous users. Can an administrator please take a look at this and do something (watchlist the articles and block the dynamic IPs as they appear, give the articles a couple of weeks of semi-protection, something, anything). The affected articles are (just check their poor histories):
*[[Albania]]
*[[Albanians]]
*[[Demographics of Albania]]
*[[Islam by country]]
*[[Islam in Albania]]
*[[Religion in Albania]]
Thanks.--[[User:Ploutarchos|Ploutarchos]] 10:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== {{User|EdwinCasadoBaez}} ==
* {{Vandal|EdwinCasadoBaez}} Multiple references of personal attacks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=133338845] "Do you think i give an F*** about the no Personal Attack policy" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dominican_Republic&diff=next&oldid=133313513] "This Annonymous User is so stuped." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=133321078&oldid=133320233] "Where the fuk did i said that...you stupid idiot..."(keep it short). As well as on user talk pages, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A64.131.205.111&diff=132828768&oldid=132821132] ,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:64.131.205.111&diff=next&oldid=132828954]. He has been warned numerous times [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdwinCasadoBaez&diff=133346839&oldid=133081548], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EdwinCasadoBaez&diff=next&oldid=133352244], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=133328897&oldid=133328408] . As well as uses multiple IP's and usernames [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=133484721&oldid=133479507] . A block due to these multiple and flagrant violations is believed to be in order.
'''New issues include''' going onto checkuser cases and making personal attacks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FMemeco&diff=135367812&oldid=135359997] YA ARE LIARS!LIARS!LIARS , [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FMemeco&diff=135452376&oldid=135436456] stating his extreme anger for the checkuser "I'm angry because is unfair that already two people are banned for wrong acussations...memeco, and platanogenius..ya are being to narrowminded over here" and his amazement of his own listing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FMemeco&diff=135456839&oldid=135452376] "WHy am i relisted in the top???Why is my name written on top?I'm going to be acussed a sock puppet too???this is crazy here!are ya going to block the whole wiki Population jut to get what ya want?" . He has continued with non-civil behavior referring to people as "dumb ass" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=135367358&oldid=135358363] refering to other users as idiots [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=135239507&oldid=135239364] and telling banned members (platanogenius) to get a new account [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Platanogenius] .
He has continued on with uncivil behavior by stating that talk page convo and sockpuppet issues were "dumb shit" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADominican_Republic&diff=135248004&oldid=135244131] . He has been given a final warning concerning his behavior but continued with this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdwinCasadoBaez&diff=135275584&oldid=135249160].. He has had at least 8 previous warnings on his talk page for this behavior. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdwinCasadoBaez&diff=135275584&oldid=135249160] Please take a look at this and consider that this user should be blocked. This is his second major report of unruly behavior on wikipedia. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=133495144#EdwinCasadoBaez.C2.A0.28talk.C2.A0.C2.B7_contribs.29] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=133486326]
[[User:YoSoyGuapo|YoSoyGuapo]] 02:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:Blocked for a week. Please adjust, agree, disagree, discuss. [[User:Grandmasterka|<font color="red">Grand</font>]][[User talk:Grandmasterka|<font color="blue">master</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Grandmasterka|<font color="green">ka</font>]] 05:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::ignoring the block which using his {{ipvandal|69.119.127.181}} and {{ipvandal|70.177.181.129}} . He has been blocked reblocked and continues to go around his block {{Vandal|EdwinCasadoBaez}} . I believe it's time for a permanent ban. [[User:YoSoyGuapo|YoSoyGuapo]] 11:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== I'm Being Stalked ==
I'm having trouble with the editor [[User:TheRingess]], who follows me around and chops my articles up. With the last article, [[Gurudev Siddha Peeth]], she turned up before it was even finished and started chopping it up.
I'm not the only one who's had trouble with her. I got a message from [[User:Ganesham]], who said he's had the same problems and had to change his name to shake her off. Apparently, if she doesn't like you, she watches you and chops up your contributions. It's got to the point where, if I want to write an article, I have to ask myself how TheRingess will react to it.
Someone please do something about this woman. She's ruining Wiki for so many p[eople.
[[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]] 12:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see the problem in the article you reference... she did some wikifying, removed personal email addresses, and reformatted your references so they fit the Wikipedia format, and those are all things that needed to be done. I don't see where she 'chopped up' the article at all- she seems to have improved it. -[[User:FisherQueen|FisherQueen]] ([[User talk:FisherQueen|Talk]]) 12:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Honestly, you need to provide some diffs for what you claim. I generally turn a deaf ear (er, I guess a blind eye, in this case) to complaints that don't provide any evidence. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">☯</span>]] //</span> 14:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::It looks more like article ownership on [[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]]'s part to me. I've looked at a few diffs ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheRingess&diff=prev&oldid=135806648], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheRingess&diff=prev&oldid=136315458], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheRingess%2FArchive_7&diff=133381373&oldid=132160156]), where Sardaka uses "my article" alot and where he demands explanations for all the changes (which are quite harmless). He also feels he should have been personally notified for the AfD on "his article". Meanwhile, he didn't bother to notify [[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] about this report.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 16:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know the definition of "stalking" on Wikipedia myself, since I've been accused of doing it. When you observe somebody doing an edit you disagree with, then look at that user's edit history to find other similar edits, and possibly alter or revert them, is that "stalking"? [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 16:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Not that I know. Stalking would be doing that just to annoy and disrupt that user's activities.-[[User:Localzuk|Localzuk]]<sup>[[User talk:Localzuk|(talk)]]</sup> 16:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Tracking a user's edits you think is prone to making mistakes, vandalism or spamming, is common practice. Especially if those edits are in your area of interest. I haven't seen any evidence that [[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] is following [[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]] around in bad faith.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 16:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I would not have found this thread if I had not been checking up on my own incident report regarding an editor who refuses to enage in mediation with me regarding very serious allegations of deliberate malfeasance on my part (there allegations are that I used Wikipedia to carry on a personal vendetta against a specific person who is the subject of an article) see [[#Editor uses edit summaries for personal attacks, refuses mediation]].
Thanks to the editors who decided to respond. I like to think that it's always a good thing to have my own edits reviewed by fellow editors.
This is actually the 2nd time Sardaka has created an incident and not notified me. See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive242#Deletion of contributions].
I have to express that I feel somewhat stymied in my attempts to discuss material with this user. One such attempt, on his talk page, to discuss my specific edits, seems to have been ignored. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASardaka&diff=135841347&oldid=134777687 here]
In one statement he made it clear that he thought I was engaged in "ownership" of a particular article. See [[Talk:Siddha Yoga/Archive 3#More on deleting other people's contributions]].
[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 17:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:I do not see any merit to the charge of stalking. On the contrary, keeping an eye on the edit history of users once a problem has been identified elsewhere is part of the recommended practices both for [[Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam|WikiProject Spam]]. My impression is that [[User:TheRingess]] has been doing exactly what editors are encouraged to do, which is demand compliance with policies such as [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[WP:NOR]], and that these requests have not been well-received by [[User:Sardaka]]. If there is any problem here, it is with [[User:Sardaka]] who has made a number of uncivil comments in connection with this matter, and also in the course of discussion on an article that he or she authored which was eventually deleted (see: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shakti_mantras]]). [[User:Sardaka]] showed unfamiliarity with Wikipedia procedures during that debate by deleting comments that I made regarding the article that in AfD (see: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sardaka&diff=prev&oldid=134531530]). [[User:Sardaka]], who may be unclear on Wikipedia procedures, has now taken this matter to the Village Pump: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28miscellaneous%29&diff=prev&oldid=137030833]. [[User:Buddhipriya|Buddhipriya]] 18:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is an example of TheRingess and Buddhipriya trying to delete Sardaka's work. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shakti_mantras&diff=prev&oldid=134516600]], where TheRingess and Buddhipriya are drowning out the only objective editor's suggestion to keep. And a link to some other documented examples of their personal vendettas in action: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=137137027]]. Over and out. [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]] 23:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Over and out? Is that some kind of joke? The first diff is just a delete comment in an AfD discussion, with absolutely nothing to substantiate the "stalking" claim. Even crazier, the second diff is you calling [[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] and [[User:Buddhipriya|Buddhipriya]] thugs and claiming they are ruining Wikipedia. You certainly didn't help Sardaka there. If anything, you got yourself a block for personal attacks out of this.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 23:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::For the record, I have never emailed Ganesham. Due to the very serious nature of his allegations (that I have used Wikipedia to further a personal vendetta against a subject of a biographical article), I have preferred to keep all communication regarding these allegations on Wikipedia (for obvious reasons).[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 00:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Hi, just a note of support regarding [[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]], I was requested by [[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]] to review her editing pattern, and yes I fully concur, the edits are entirely helpful. However, regarding [[User:Ganesham|Ganesham]], nearly all the edits are criticising TheRingess, so the account could be a sock. [[User:Addhoc|Addhoc]] 00:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::::There is quite a bit of crossposting going on at this point. I have replied to some of these matters here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AMediation_Cabal%2FCases%2F2007-03-28_Guru_Gita&diff=137147602&oldid=137136757]. The possibility of some sock at work did not occur to me, but I am wondering what a checkuser would show. [[User:Buddhipriya|Buddhipriya]] 00:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[Allison Stokke]] and DRV ==
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Any further comments - take then to the Arbitration Page. ANI is NOT the place to argue about administrative actions.
More disruptive closures - I approached [[User:Coredesat]] about his closure of [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Allison_Stokke_%28second_nomination%29]], he suggested DRV. I bring it to DRV, and [[User:^demon]], [[User:Daniel]], and [[User:Doc glasgow]] all disruptively close the review within minutes of it being posted. This is completely inappropriate, especially demon's repeated reference to me as a troll ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A%5Edemon&diff=137034528&oldid=137034403] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%5Edemon&diff=next&oldid=137034722] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%5Edemon&curid=3333389&diff=137035667&oldid=137035482]). Will someone step up to the plate here and fix this problem? --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 13:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:We never had this many problems with the GNAA article, and it was AfD'd 17 times. –– '''[[User:Lid|Lid]]'''<sup><small>([[User talk:Lid|Talk]])</small></sup> 13:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) I was making a good-faith closure of a disruptive DRV by a user who is known to often troll Deletion Review multiple times in order to get articles undeleted. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup> <em style="font-size:10px;">14:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)</em>
::I have never trolled deletion review. How absurd an accusation to make. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 14:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Let it go Jeff. DRV can speedy endorsed a close if there is no new legitimate reason to have the review. That seems to be the case here. When we are dealing with privacy issues related to a non-public person, we need to use some self-censorship, please. [[User:FloNight|FloNight]] 14:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Jeff, add it to the arbitration. Although they may not be that impressed by your activity.--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 14:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Support closure of DRV. Learn to accept things when they don't go your way. Fully support closing reason given by demon. DRV isn't AFD take two, stop abusing DRV. – [[User talk:Chacor|Chacor]] 14:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I've unclosed this discussion. The assinine behavior of administrators hounding someone they're in a dispute with is totally unacceptable. Also, this is pertinent to a current arbitration case, and needs to be discussed. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] 14:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Flonight, the legitimate reasons were laid out in detail. Just because you disagree with them is no reason to disruptively close them, or any discussion, for that matter. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 14:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What's not being discussed is Jeff being called a troll repeatedly. If it's just being bandied about to annoy him and no one's actually doing anything (actual trolls are blocked), then it seems a lot like a personal attack. --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 14:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: The term "troll" is sometimes used to describe someone who obstinately engages in stupid and pointless behavior. It's a personal attack, though. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 14:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not always. Sometimes it's just [[WP:SPADE]] (which IMO we could do more often). [[User:Raymond arritt|Raymond Arritt]] 14:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::People hold strong opinions about what Wikipedia should be, and about what does and does not belong in its pages, and about the balance between truth and kindness. Using established procedures such as AFD or DRV is not trolling if the editors who comment on them are more or less evenly divided, unless some want to claim that half or so of Wikipedians involved in the dispute are trolls. or that God speaks in their ear and they are incapable of being wrong about what needs deletion for such reasons as BLP. Unfounded accusations of trolling are incivil and may be a personal attack. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot. [[User:Edison|Edison]] 19:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
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== [[User:Loureid]] ==
{{userblock|Loureid}} is a high school students who attend my school. Recently he and other students have been causing trouble, both aimed at me and at Wikipedia in general. This is often because of my status as an administrator. However, a few of them have either created or co-created a "political party". Earlier tonight ([[AEST]]) Loureid created an article on ''National Louis Party'', which was deleted twice, once under the patent nonsense CSD (G1) and the other under the notability CSD (A7). When I tried to explain why the article was deleted via MSN, he refused to accept it, stating that Wikipedia is "corrupt" and is a "bureaucracy". Around 21:45 UTC, my userpage came under attack by two IP addresses, revealing personal information in the process. I added semi protection to the page and Loureid began to vandalise my page. I added full protection. He then began vandalising other pages. I subsequently blocked him for 24 hours. [[User:Chacor]] had suggested a block, just as I was applying the block. Loureid stated he wished to be unblocked, claiming that "HarryBoyles has been on my account hacking into it, he made those changes on my account, i didnt know of them, i wouldnt dream of damaging the good reputation of wikipedia, i belive that harryboyles has an alterior motive to getting me banned, you should concider taking action against him". [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Loureid&curid=11625692&diff=137029789&oldid=137029057] Charor contacted me afterwards, suggesting I bring the issue here for wider input. I'm planning to talk with the deputy principal at school when it resumes to discuss issues such as this, as well as other incidents. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 13:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Don't worry. We'd rather trust you than a group of trollsocks. :) — [[User talk:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black">Nearly Headless Nick</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|<font color="black" title="Contributions"><sup>'''{C}'''</sup></font>]] 14:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::One thing I forgot to mention was Chacor's intention of an indefinite block, which is what I was really asking about. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 14:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Yamla took care of that after unblock template abuse. – [[User talk:Chacor|Chacor]] 14:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd normally suggest to delete those revisions but the personal information is only your first name, and you actually made your username out of your real first and last name. But then dealing with him in high school is a problem (offline when he'll harass you there). The vandal says (italics used as quotes) ''Firstly i said "I am way cool!!!, anyone who disagrees is wrong. So Naa Naa Na Na NAA"'' and ''"HAHAHAH. I changed it back "[real name removed]", if that is your real name. I am cooler than you! Naa Naa"''. Maybe you can print these diffs out and embarass them as this makes them sound 10 years old. [[User:SakotGrimshine|SakotGrimshine]] 14:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== User:Durovina (not Durova) ==
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* {{userlinks|Durovina}}
Based on the user page comment about whack-a-mole and the very odd pattern of user contributions, I believe this is a sock puppet of a banned user. Could an admin look at this please, and also see if those pages moves need to be undone. This looks like it could be sneaky vandalism. See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Durova&curid=3018821&diff=137040203&oldid=136970000 this complaint] about Durivona copying somebody else's user page, in part. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 14:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Which banned user? Or is it merely a suspicion? [[User:Evilclown93|Evilclown93]] 15:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with Evilclown93, unless some concrete evidence can be provided. [[User:Cool Blue|<b><font color="#000FFF">Cool</font><font color="#000FFF"> Blue</font></b>]][[User talk:Cool Blue|<font color="#800000"><sup>talk to me</sup></font>]] 15:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Look at the user page and the user's contributions. I believe Willy on Wheels has a history of page move vandalism. How many new users show up and start moving pages on day 1? How many new users say "let's play whack a mole." I posted here instead of [[WP:SSP]] because there are multiple issues: socks, sneaky vandalism, and inappropriate user name, if the user is seeking to disrupt by causing confusion with the real Durova. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 15:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Durovina hasn't edited in two months, so perhaps we can take a bit of time to figure it out. Or just block it as disruptive and leave it at that. [[User:Flyguy649|Flyguy649]]<sup>[[User talk:Flyguy649|talk]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/Flyguy649|<sub>contribs]]</sub> 15:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: The first thing to do is check if those pages moves are legit, and if not, fix them. I don't know anything about nobility and titles. Somebody who does should look at this. We shouldn't leave socks laying around so they can pop up and do damage later. Semi-protection stops new users, but not aged socks. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 15:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Sockpuppet of [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|Rms125a@hotmail.com]], [[User:Alison|Alison]] will be happy to confirm it by the contribs. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 15:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: I left her a message. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 16:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: When a new user cuts a chunk from another wikipedian's userpage to make a userpage for himself and adopts the name of another wikipedian who is mentioned just below, I have some trouble in assuming good faith. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 16:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This account's actual contributions don't appear to be vandalism. Account was created April 11, made a couple of dozen normal-looking contributions, and then stopped the same day. (I did not see any page moves, just some redirects that appeared normal). Indef block is probably justified (pending user's clarification) based solely on the boast about sockpuppetry on the user page. (That's like waving a 'please block me' flag). If this is a sock of a banned user then adding that template would also be helpful. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] 17:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
* Sockpuppet of banned editor, {{user|Rms125a@hotmail.com}} - all the usual tells are there. Indefblocked now - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 18:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
* And well, well - [[User_talk:Alison#Moles|here's]] the answer - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 01:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[User:71.61.178.95]] ==
{{userlinks|71.61.178.95}} has received several warnings about vandalising pages since this March, but has refused to stop adding [[Kennywood]] / [[Re-Animated]] nonsense to pages. The IP has never been blocked and his/her edits are sporadic. On top of that, the IP might be [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:24.3.247.88 24.3.247.88], who was blocked for ten days on March 20, 2007 for similar vandalism. <font color="orange">[[User:Squirepants101|Pants]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Squirepants101|(T)]]</sup> 15:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Based on the edits, it appears to be a static IP attacking the same articles over and over. I gave him a 24 hour block for now. <font color="Green">[[User:Irishguy|'''IrishGuy''']]</font> <sup><font color="Blue">[[User talk:Irishguy|''talk'']]</font></sup> 17:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Unblock IP 87.234.91.126 ==
{{resolved|1= unblocked by [[User:Eagle 101]] - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 05:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)}}
: {{userlinks|87.234.91.126}}
This IP has been blocked until 13:30, 25 May 2012 because the computer behind it was an open proxy. This long term doesn't make any sense since this is a dynamic IP (ISP is [[QSC]]). (I couldn't even ask earlier because even logged in users with that IP are blocked from editing here.) --[[User:32X|32X]] 17:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ask the blocking admin, [[User:Eagle 101]]. If you find yourself autoblocked because you are using this IP address, add {{tl|Unblock-auto}} to the IP talk page. ˉˉ<sup>[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']]</sup>[[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 17:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Vandalism ==
Can someone please do something about this user: [[User:Filips 85|Filips 85]] and his anon alter ego [[User:91.150.121.215|91.150.121.215]] (the IP is probably the same person before he registered). He did blatant vandalism to several articles regarding [[Dražen Petrović]], [[Goran Ivanišević]] and [[Marko Perković]]. His only aim is by my first impression only to vandalize articles, especially ones regarding Croats. For what reason I do not know. --[[User:No.13|No.13]] 17:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:This is not the correct forum;[[WP:AIV]] would be. Second, he's not correctly warned. See [[WP:WARN]]. [[User:Cool Blue|<b><font color="#000FFF">Cool</font><font color="#000FFF"> Blue</font></b>]][[User talk:Cool Blue|<font color="#800000"><sup>talk to me</sup></font>]] 18:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::OK sorry, I registered only recently. Thank you. --[[User:No.13|No.13]] 11:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Possible disruption ==
[[User:Hubier]] ([[Special:Contributions/Hubier|his contribs]]) has been uploading dozens of images with no sources, no fair use rationales and using them to replace all of the James Bond film posters. Just about every one was deleted by a bot for having no information, so now he's just replacing the current posters with red links. I don't know if he knows they are all deleted. I didn't know where to take this, because it doesn't seem to be a clear case of vandalism, just plain disruption. The posters he was trying to use, even if they had sources, were not better than what was already there, some looking fan made. He was asked to stop several times by myself and another editor, but he refuses. I was hoping for some assistance on how to handle this. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC">[[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]]</span> <span style="font-family:Showcard Gothic">[[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]]</span> 18:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Blocked for 24 hours. I will unblock this user if he agrees to abide by our non-free content policy. ˉˉ<sup>[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']]</sup>[[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 19:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Works for me. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC">[[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> BIGNOLE </span>'''</small>]]</span> <span style="font-family:Showcard Gothic">[[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]]</span> 19:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Repeated NPA ==
Not sure if this is the correct forum but don't know where to go. [[user:Omegatron|Omegatron]] has in the past days taken it upon himself to violate [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/HHO_gas_(4th_nomination)][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Omegatron][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jmlk17#Deletion][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Charlene.fic#HHO_gas][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EliminatorJR#HHO_gas][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arkyan#Brown.27s_gas] (I provided the discussion since just reading his comments suffices, if needed I can of course add the seperate diffs) For some reason he ignores my repeated requests to stop this behaviour. His most recent response is that I should start an RFC.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/HHO_gas_%284th_nomination%29&diff=137063638&oldid=137062379][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/HHO_gas_%284th_nomination%29&curid=11604115&diff=137085768&oldid=137085220] While I don't think it warrants that I do want him to stop using [[ad hominem]]s on my person. Specifically, how is does adding tags to [[WP:OWN|his article]] to ask for [[WP:RS]] qualify as being disruptive? Could somebody advise/intervene in this matter?<font color="green"> [[User:Nescio|Nomen Nescio]]</font><sup><i><font color="blue"><small>[[User talk:Nescio|Gnothi seauton]]</small></font></i></sup> 18:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's not the first time Omegatron has been warned for his repeated attempts at making false claims of disruption, his use of ad hominem and misrepresentation to try to browbeat someone and then using the "report me" taunt. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Radiant%21#Questionable_behavior_at_Manual_of_Style_.28binary_prefix.29 Questionable behavior] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29&diff=135133929&oldid=135132160 False disruption accusations] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Omegatron&diff=135384340&oldid=135384259 Report me taunt 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/HHO_gas_%284th_nomination%29&diff=137063638&oldid=137062379 Report me taunt 2] '''[[User:Fnagaton|Fnag]][[User_talk:Fnagaton|aton]]''' 21:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe an [[WP:RFC|RfC]] is more appropriate here? [[User:Evilclown93|Evilclown93]] 21:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'm having difficulty seeing where Omegatron is acting significantly out of line. Simply stating the belief that a particular editor's involvement is disruptive is not assuming bad faith. If/when he stated that you were ''trying to be'' disruptive, then this would be frowned upon.
:In your own links, I see Omegatron attempting to contact you only to be stonewalled, while his attempts to contact other people with opposing viewpoints have resulted in a civil consensus. I imagine this situation is very complicated and nuanced, but from what I've seen, there is no need for administrative intervention against Omegatron. –''[[User:Gunslinger47|Gunslinger47]]'' 22:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::In my links you see Mr O going around calling me disruptive and tendentious. Have you understood why? Because he does not want to produce [[WP:RS]], and let an advertisement be either altered or deleted. In any case, I think if all editors were allowed to call opposing editors all sorts of names we mights just as well get rid of [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]]. Heck, what is the point if "stating the belief that a particular editor's involvement is disruptive is not assuming bad faith." Let me state the belive that that particular user is a (fortunately I do accept that I need to refrain from such statements)<font color="green"> [[User:Nescio|Nomen Nescio]]</font><sup><i><font color="blue"><small>[[User talk:Nescio|Gnothi seauton]]</small></font></i></sup> 07:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::The issue is that Omegatron is making false accusations of disruptive behaviour when editors make changes he doesn't agree with. That and the general bad attitude. '''[[User:Fnagaton|Fnag]][[User_talk:Fnagaton|aton]]''' 00:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Investigate, delete, salt block ==
{{resolved|article salted and protected}}
A case probably needing investigation, deleting, salting, and blocking has come to my attention. [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article1888223.ece This newspaper article] led me to this [[Robert Crampton]] wikipedia article, which I tagged for feletion, appears to habe been deleted and then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_Crampton&action=history recreated]. I looked at the first edit by the guy who recreated the article and his name and first edit seems like maybe he and his friends should be blocked. Something spamish/trollish is going on here by multiple accounts. [[User:WAS 4.250|WAS 4.250]] 22:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
: Article salted and protected. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|(talk)]]</small> 03:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Notorious sockpuppet [[User:BryanFromPalatine]] is back ==
[[User:FreedomAintFree]]
This user is a almost surely a sockpuppet of banned multiple puppet and puppet master [[User:BryanFromPalatine]] permabanned during the [[Free Republic]] case. His first edit was to Free Republic and within minutes he was editing Democratic Underground. Both these articles are on probation. He already 'knows' WP, all the issues and long-time editors. Just like socks Bryan and Dino Dean Hinnen, he claims to have been 'lurking' and studying up on WP. Highly doubtful. Please investigate.[[User:64.145.158.163|64.145.158.163]] 22:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Can you provide any diffs on which your claim is based? Looking at your edit history, all you've done on Wikipedia so far is claim FreedomAintFree is a sockpuppet all over the place. I wonder how you've come to that conclusion.--[[User:Atlan|Atlan]] ([[User talk:Atlan|talk]]) 22:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::Blocked by Ryulong. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 05:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Wishbone Ash ==
Please see the history of [[Wishbone Ash]]; the user {{user|DiamondJack}}, along with two IP ranges, {{user|212.139.77.242}} and {{user|80.47.54.122}} have been vandalizing the page. I put in a request at [[WP:RFP]] so that the 212 IP range would desist from replacing the [[Creative Commons]] image [[:Image:281873485 4eae256491.jpg ]] with the [[WP:FU]] image [[:Image:Band 1989.jpg]]. I also went through the page and removed [[WP:PEACOCK]] terms and [[WP:NPOV]]/unsourced statements. Diamonjack has returned and mass reverted again twice in order for the information of "Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash" (a different entity then Wishbone Ash and given mention at [[Wishbone_Ash#2000.E2.80.93present]] already) to continue to exist. I am bringing this here because, even though I feel this does not break the [[WP:3RR]] rule, I want someone else to see and possibly evaluate this situation and whether the recent edits should be wholesale reverted. Cheers! -- [[User:Moeron|<font color="darkblue" size="2" face="Constantia">'''moe.RON'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moeron|'''<font color="red">''Let's talk''</font>''']] | [[Special:Contributions/Moeron|'''<font color="green">''done''</font>]]</sup> 00:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ok, now I reverted back, noting that I never removed any thing about the other "band" and requested on the users page not to revert it. Most of all, the user is removing the protection tag. Please advise. Thanks! -- [[User:Moeron|<font color="darkblue" size="2" face="Constantia">'''moe.RON'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moeron|'''<font color="red">''Let's talk''</font>''']] | [[Special:Contributions/Moeron|'''<font color="green">''done''</font>]]</sup> 04:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
* I've warned [[User: DiamondJack]] for 3RR just now. Also, the article is now fully protected. This has been going on for months and really needs to stop - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 05:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== JB196 is back ==
{{Resolved}} {{CUI|ip}} (several, actually) (But really, use [[WP:RFCU]] for this.) --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 14:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
One of our favorite puppet shows, {{vandal|JB196}}, is on the loose again. Three socks have popped up today:
*{{vandal|BBPscar}}
*{{vandal|CICPpork}}
*{{vandal|Scream Machine 4}}
Hopefully he'll eventually give away his open proxy so we can shut his mic for good.--[[User:Blueboy96|Blueboy]][[User talk:Blueboy96|96]] 02:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
And {{vandal|Scallop pope}}, not blocked yet. --[[User:Yummifruitbat|YFB]] [[User talk:Yummifruitbat|<font color="33CC66">¿</font>]] 02:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Check out {{user|219.71.242.145}}. May be the range -- [[User:Moeron|<font color="darkblue" size="2" face="Constantia">'''moe.RON'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moeron|'''<font color="red">''Let's talk''</font>''']] | [[Special:Contributions/Moeron|'''<font color="green">''done''</font>]]</sup> 03:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::You know, he's not really "back" -- it's more like he never left. But yeah, Moeron; that IP looks suspicious. --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Next up, {{vandal|Homie quarter}} ! --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::In this corner, {{vandal|68.14.37.87}} --[[User:Haemo|Haemo]] 03:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Ding ding: {{vandal|24.109.87.228}} --[[User:Yummifruitbat|YFB]] [[User talk:Yummifruitbat|<font color="33CC66">¿</font>]] 04:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::{{vandal|Trumpscoop}} --[[User:Yummifruitbat|YFB]] [[User talk:Yummifruitbat|<font color="33CC66">¿</font>]] 04:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
BTW, if you get IP addresses, don't bother hitting them with 48 hours. Assume they are open proxies unless you have evidence to believe they are not, and in def them (had a discussion with [[User:jpgordon|jpgordon]], who is the checkuser on this) we can confirm it by looking them up on the RBLs list. [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] 04:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Input requested: Badlydrawnjeff physical threat ==
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''This was an unnecessary thread about a foolish comment in a wider silly argument which was exacerbated by a silly block. Block is gone, drama over, everybody please go edit some articles.'' --[[User:Yummifruitbat|YFB]] [[User talk:Yummifruitbat|<font color="33CC66">¿</font>]] 03:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
BDJ appears to have made an oblique physical threat against another user in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tony_Sidaway&diff=prev&oldid=137146221 this edit] where he states "''I can't wait for the day you piss off the wrong person, Tony. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 00:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)''". I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&diff=137159914&oldid=137159893 asked him] for clarification and needed to restore the question [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&diff=137162361&oldid=137162233 three] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&diff=137160286&oldid=137160057 different] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff&diff=137161625&oldid=137161291 times] when I realized that he wasn't accidentally removing it in an edit conflict, but was in fact erasing the question. The threat is absolutely unacceptable, and appears to be the only reasonable interpretation in the light of his unwillingness or inability to answer. I'd like to get some external input on the situation by an uninvolved administrator, the thread in question exists [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff#WTF.3F|here]]. Thanks! - [[User:Chairboy|C<small>HAIRBOY]]</small> ([[User_talk:Chairboy|☎]]) 02:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:I would say it's an incredibly incivil comment, but is not in itself a threat; if BDJ were the 'wrong person' then this comment is paradoxical, as it's clear BDJ is already pissed off, and therefore is not the one delivering the alluded-to beatdown. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 02:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Have to concur with Golbez. Incivil, yes; threat, no. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 02:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, stop already. I don't give you the attention you want there, so you come begging for it here instead. You people will reach for anything, won't you? --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 02:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Incivil? Yes. Physical threat? Um... what? -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 02:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::If that's a physical threat, then ''(comment censored by thought police)''. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 02:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Jeff, again, I strongly encourage you to take a break and come back when you're not so upset. Please, attacks like these aren't helping anybody. [[User:Sean William|Sean William]] [[User talk:Sean William|@]] 02:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Sean, I strongly suggest you stay very, very far away from me. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 02:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:not a physical threat; Chairboy, you are an idiot. --[[User talk:Duk|Duk]] 02:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Let's see... so a Jeff made a comment which is slowly developing into teh drama of teh century. This could have ended early if Jeff apologized and redacted, but instead he egged on the dispute. I can't say I'm not tempted to block people here, but that really won't help anything. ([[User:Messedrocker|messedrocker]] • [[User talk:Messedrocker|talk]]) 02:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, certainly it's my fault. You haven't been paying much attention, have you? I love how people ask ''me'' to apologise after the mountain of shit I have to put up with from people who could give two shits about the well-being of this project. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 02:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::: As it appears, you've earned a bit of an ill reputation. Apologizing and generally being cooperative (not saying you aren't already) could make yourself appear more redeeming. ([[User:Messedrocker|messedrocker]] • [[User talk:Messedrocker|talk]]) 02:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::You know, Jeff, I really don't know the drama background - I'm relatively new to the project, and frankly I tend to keep "step away from the drama" my motto... but I have to say that I think your characterization of ''anyone'' who is here as not giving "two shits about the well-being of the project" is unfair. We're all here because we do, in fact, care about the project. Regardless of your beefs - legitimate or not - (and I tend to think it's probably a mix of the two), I think that statements such as that do more to erode your position than to state it clearly. [[User:Philippe|Philippe]] 02:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I'll ask again here: What did you mean by ''I can't wait for the day you piss off the wrong person, Tony.''? Thanks! - [[User:Chairboy|C<small>HAIRBOY]]</small> ([[User_talk:Chairboy|☎]]) 02:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:I see no need to answer to you. Now you can freely take your attention seeking elsewhere. Maybe write an article? --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 02:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:What exactly do you think he meant by it? If he is talking about a real-life ticking off and real-life physical response as you seem to think, it is unlikely that Jeff would be there for the event and thus unlikely to derive any pleasure from it. Thus, logically, Jeff must mean something other than a physical IRL action. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 02:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Leave it alone, it's no big deal. Not remotely a physical threat. Rude, sure, but you reap what you sow. [[User:Friday|Friday]] [[User talk:Friday|(talk)]] 02:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Given that he made no attempt to stop being incivil, and in fact got worse on here, I've blocked him for a week for the incivility alone. That much incivility shouldn't be tolerated from ''any'' user, and we shouldn't be making exceptions. --[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 02:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Highly inappropriate block ... I strongly advise lifting it immediately. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 02:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Someone else will have to. I see no evidence he was baited or provoked. --[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 02:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::(EC)Yeah, really. He's been up here on AN/I numerous times, on both sides of issues before. Here, he's clearly angry and getting more angry. He's not going to apologize for anything said here, he's made that clear. His opinion of editors in general seems to be a very low opinion, and in a few clear cases here, he's got serious malice towards them. I think the week long cooling off is about right. 24 or 48 hours would just let it stew and brew, but in a week, he should be able to cool off and get some perspective on things. (Were this one incident, the small blocks might be better, but his comments read as a long building thing, and might need longer to relax.) [[User:ThuranX|ThuranX]] 02:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::::It ''might'' be legitimate if it were a ''short'' (ie, sleep it off and come back in a better mood tomorrow) block all around and not singling out one person. This one is silly. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 02:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been dickery all around. Picking one person to block seems unlike to help. I'd suggest an unblock also. [[User:Friday|Friday]] [[User talk:Friday|(talk)]] 02:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The block was probably justified. The problem is that other people who quite openly call people who dispute their decisions insensitive idiots are never blocked, because "by God they're enforcing BLP!" -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 02:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:The block is not necessary here; Jeff is merely unhappy Chair came here to discuss this matter. I don't think Chair was wrong to do so, but I could understand why Jeff might be unhappy (surely you've encountered those times when editors have not gotten the desired response from you so they quickly head over to AN or ANI saying there's some miscarriage of justice). A week-long block is excessive and unnecessary; I'll trust badlydrawnjeff gets the message w/o the block. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 02:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Civility blocks rarely help. Civility blocks for a week have even less chance of being effective. Civility blocks for a week on experienced and established contributors achieve the opposite to the desired effect. If this block was for twenty-four hours, I would still object, but I wouldn't see it as such a pressing problem. One week is ridiculous. '''[[User:Daniel|<span style="color:#2E82F4">Daniel</span>]]''' 02:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'll let you guys have your party and say what you wish about me, I'm done commenting in this shitfest of a thread. That way, no one will feel like they need to block me, or have any sort of responsibility about what they say. Good day, sirs. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] <small>[[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]]</small> 03:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I've unblocked him. --[[User:Coredesat|Core]][[User talk:Coredesat|<font color="#006449">desat</font>]] 03:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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== User 71.235.81.39 ==
{{resolved|user blocked for 48 hrs}}
This editor has been reported before, but no action has been taken. The editor continues to attack other users, including his most recent edit (not sure how to link it, but [[Talk:New England]], time index 9 June 21:29 UTC is one instance). The editor has been warned about civility many times, yet no action has been taken. Please consider this user for blocking for violating [[WP:CIV]] and [[WP:NPA]] to name a few. Thanks for your time. [[User:Neo16287|Neo16287]] 02:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
: User blocked for 48 hrs. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|(talk)]]</small> 03:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Repeated purging of text ==
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{{User|Akhristov}} repeatedly removes text from the article [[Podilsko-Voskresenska Line]] w/o any real reasoning
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Podilsko-Voskresenska_Line&diff=135989567&oldid=135921421], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Podilsko-Voskresenska_Line&diff=136518967&oldid=136387466],
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Podilsko-Voskresenska_Line&diff=136773283&oldid=136578661], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Podilsko-Voskresenska_Line&diff=137141037&oldid=137033260]
Considering that there was no consensus on the talk page, I was wondering could this kind of extreme [[WP:POINT]]-violating behaivour be classed as [[WP:VAND|Vandalism]]. I mean the article is a subway line and the text he is removing is of the language that the whole city speaks. And his only reason is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DDima&diff=prev&oldid=136520302 I really have a strong point of view on this...]. Do politics justify disruptive behaivour? Considering that these four (as of me writing this) edits are the only ones he did to the article so far. --[[User:Kuban kazak|Kuban Cossack]] 03:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Seems that the user is violating [[WP:3RR]]. I will place a warning in his user page. [[User:Jossi|≈ jossi ≈]] <small>[[User_talk:Jossi|(talk)]]</small> 03:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:: My reasoning is real, and a consensus was reached prior to the edit war. [[User:Kuban kazak]] has a prior history of edit warring, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Kuban_kazak]. My reasoning is on the talk page, and Kuban kazak was continuously reverting to his revision, which didn't gain consensus yet. This is why I reverted to my revision, since it gained prior consensus. — [[User talk:Akhristov|Alex]]<sup>([[User:Akhristov|U]]|[[Special:Contributions/Akhristov|C]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Akhristov|E]])</sup> 05:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I marked this incident as unresolved until my comment above is commented on. — [[User talk:Akhristov|Alex]]<sup>([[User:Akhristov|U]]|[[Special:Contributions/Akhristov|C]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Akhristov|E]])</sup> 05:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::It was not a unilateral near-violation of 3RR. Both parties should have been notified of that. Anyways, protecting the article was the right call. Also, the comments by {{user|Kuban kazak}} at [[Talk:Podilsko-Voskresenska Line#Russian name]] seems to be [[WP:ABF|assuming bad faith]]. His contibs history shows him as a good editor, but block log suggests he is a bit over zealous.<small>Corrected username. — [[User talk:Akhristov|Alex]]<sup>([[User:Akhristov|U]]|[[Special:Contributions/Akhristov|C]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Akhristov|E]])</sup> 09:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)</small>
::I would also like to point out that umber of edits is not the yardstick to measure the validity of an edit. It should be on the merit of the edit in question. --[[User:Soumyasch|soum]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumyasch|talk]]</sup> 08:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, I would like to point out that two days back he was blocked for edit warring for one and a half days on another Russian/Ukranian dispute. As soon as he gets out of the block, he starts doing it on another article. That aspect does bother me. --[[User:Soumyasch|soum]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumyasch|talk]]</sup> 08:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: What do you want sysops to do? To support one of the parties to this content dispute? This noticeboard is not part of dispute resolution procedures. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 09:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not take sides, be impartial. Both sides should have been warned for impending 3RR violation, thats my point. Its us admins who have to act on the merits of the case, not merits of reporting. Its our responsibility to ensure that content dispute does not end up being disruptive. --[[User:Soumyasch|soum]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumyasch|talk]]</sup> 10:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
==Is this right?==
Could someone please take a look at what this administrator [[user:Alkivar]] has been doing. On more than one occasion he has removed huge chunks of information from an article, then proceeds to fully protect it so that no one else can edit it! (like in this case [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Saget&diff=134875784&oldid=134862046] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Saget&diff=134875846&oldid=134875784]). Surely there is no policy that allows this is there? Where we have to seek the permission of an Administrator to edit an article? [[User:124.176.27.127|124.176.27.127]] 09:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm, that doesn't look right at all. An editor has contacted Alkivar on three occasions about this article without receiving any response. As it does not appear to be a correct use of an indefinite full protection, and as Alkivar has given no response to inquiries, I'm going to restore it to semi-protected. I'll leave a note on Alkivar's page linking back to this discussion. -- [[User:Merope|Merope]] 09:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, there is. [[WP:BLP|Biographies of living person]], the policy which governs biographical articles, says to remove ''any text that is not attributed to reliable sources''. So, the removal is justified. As for the protection, people were reinserting the unsourced content without addressing the concerns. So, protection is also justified. Though whether an indefinite is proper or not I'm not sure. But indefinite is not infinite. Please find references that you can attriute such content to, without which they are not allowed here. Even if the article is protected, you can discuss the changes on the talk page. Once you are done aggregating the sources, request an unprotection. --[[User:Soumyasch|soum]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumyasch|talk]]</sup> 09:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::: hum and look at the differences it's [[User|burntsauce]] again. I've got to ask - is Alkivar in his pocket? --[[User:Fredrick day|Fredrick day]] 10:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Looks like enforcing BLP to me. [[User talk:H|<small><sup><font color="#000">(<font color="#c20">H</font>)</font></sup></small>]]<!-- Was HighInBC --> 14:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
==This Day In History error on main page==
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I'm not sure where to post this and I think time is probably of the essence here. The "On This Day" section shows that the U.S. paid $6,000 for ransom of U.S. prisoners in the [[First Barbary War]] but the article says $60,000. I think someone left a zero off. Since admins can edit the main page perhaps someone can fix it. I posted this at the Anniversaries page too. Thanks [[User:JodyB|<font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial Bold"><span style="background-color: #0000FF">'''Jody'''</span><span style="background-color:#30D5C8">'''B'''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:JodyB|'' talk'']]</sub></font> 10:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:User:Merope has corrected this. —<tt class="plainlinks">'''[[Special:Contributions/Freakofnurture|freak]]([{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit§ion=new}} talk])'''</tt> 10:44, Jun. 10, 2007 (UTC)
== Wikistalking, disruption, incivility, and personal attacks ==
{{User|Arcayne}}, who has been involved in a five-month, protracted conflict with me on [[Children of Men]], has begun following me to other articles in order to disrupt, this time [[ALF]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ALF&diff=137181516&oldid=137153805] I politely asked him to stop, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arcayne&diff=prev&oldid=137129276] at which point he ignored my concerns and responded with a series of personal attacks and incivility on my talk page and other places, consisting of "You have absolutely nothing to say that I find compelling or interesting", and "That I happen to notice that a disambiguation that I happened to visit is being messed up by someone means I will contribute" and "You are a pariah in the Wiki community." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AViriditas&diff=137132063&oldid=137037937] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Viriditas&diff=next&oldid=137134558] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Viriditas&diff=next&oldid=137135264]. He has continued to stalk and revert me on [[ALF]] with two more subsequent reverts [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ALF&diff=137181516&oldid=137153805] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ALF&diff=137188820&oldid=137187244], in the process ignoring the [[Talk:ALF#Requested_move|consensus on talk]] and reverting myself, [[User:JHunterJ]], and [[User:Bkonrad]]. An ongoing discussion about this topic is also occurring on [[Talk:Alf (disambiguation)]]. He has now attempted to add nonsensical comments to a closed move request from 17:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC), in the process voting "strongly oppose" based on nothing more than opposition to me.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:ALF&diff=prev&oldid=137189285] His edits were promptly removed by [[User:Yom]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AALF&diff=137190497&oldid=137189451] I would like an uninvolved, neutral administrator to ask Arcayne to please stop following me around and to stop making personal attacks. Thank you. —[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 10:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:As much as it is ammusing to see double, I would suggest that dispute resolution is [[WP:DR|that-a-way -->]]. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 11:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::[[WP:HA|Wikistalking]] and personal attacks are a dispute? I'm just asking for the behavior to stop. —[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 11:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[[User:TTN]] is another such disruptor. I'm trying to convince him to stop also for ''his'' disruptive behavior, but nothing is working. I need assistance. [[User:Angie Y.|Angie Y.]] 13:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:I assume you are talking about their redirecting articles of episodes, it seems they have stopped. Anyway, how may I assist you? [[User talk:PeaceNT|'''Peacent''']] 13:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Password requests from an IP address ==
{{IPvandal|195.188.50.200}} has sent me 4 password requests over the course of an hour, can someone please block this IP address for me?? I reported it at [[WP:AIV]] but was told that here was the best place to mention it, so I'm mentioning it here.
If the IP address is blocked it'll probably stem the flow of password requests... --<font color="Red">[[User:SunStar Net|'''SunStar Net''']]</font> <sup><font color="Blue">[[User talk:SunStar Net|''talk'']]</font></sup> 11:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:I removed it from AIV, once, before you reported second time. Like I said there, I dont see the anon making any on-wiki edits requesting password. Nor were the edits vandalism. How was the request made, then? Email? If so, blocking wont have any effect. You better create a filter in your mail service. --[[User:Soumyasch|soum]] <sup>[[User talk:Soumyasch|talk]]</sup> 13:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
::Just ignore the change password requests, unless you enter the password it sends you then your account will remained unchanged. It is just a way that people can bug you. [[User talk:H|<small><sup><font color="#000">(<font color="#c20">H</font>)</font></sup></small>]]<!-- Was HighInBC --> 14:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[User:Physik]]/[[User:Dude]] user page issue ==
[[User:Physik|Physik]] wanted to change his name to [[User:Dude|Dude]], so he moved his user page to [[User:Dude]]. Obviously, this is not the proper way to rename an account, but he didn't know that and I've directed him to [[Wikipedia:Changing username]] where he said he wants a different name. Could an admin move [[User:Dude]] back to [[User:Physik]] over the redirect and delete [[User:Dude]]? Also, he's got some images on there that he probably shouldn't. This may be a good time to discuss that with him. [[User:Leebo|<b><font color="#3D59AB">Leebo</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 15:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
: Done, and I've removed the fair use images from the userpage too. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 15:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Someone doesn't like [[User:Seewolf]] ==
Someone seems to hold a grudge against {{user|Seewolf}} and [[de:Benutzer:mnh|Benutzer:Mnh]], both admins on the German Wikipedia. I have just blocked {{user|Harald "Seewolf" Krichel muss weg!}}, but a quick look at the history of Seewolf's userpage shows a lot more vandals:
*{{user5|Mnh lutscht den Schwanz von Harald Krichel!}} (translation: ''[[:de:Benutzer:mnh|Mnh]] jerks Harald Krichel's cock'')
*{{user5|Mnh stinkt!}} (''Mnh smells!'')
*{{user5|Harald Krichel ist ein Grüsel!}} (''Harald Krichel is a freak!'')
*{{user5|Harald "Seewolf" Krichel stinkt wie ein Jauchefass!}} (''Harald "Seewolf" Krichel smells like a manure tank!'')
*{{user5|Harald "Seewolf" Krichel wixt beim Scheissen!}} (''Harald "Seewolf" Krichel masturbates while taking a crap!'')
The vandal also seems to be active on other Wikipedias: [[:nl:Gebruiker:Mnh lutscht Administratorenschwänze!]], [[:nl:Mnh ist ein Arschloch!]], [[:it:Utente:Mnh onaniert beim Scheissen!]]. This doesn't include IP vandals. Please keep an eye out for anyone targetting Seewolf or Mnh, either in username or in edits. [[Special:Contributions/Aecis|<font color="blue">A</font>]][[User:Aecis|<font color="green">ecis</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Aecis|Brievenbus]]</sup> 15:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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