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== Sorry for ignoring you ==
Hi, if you're also Real96 on IRC, sorry for ignoring you. I was looking at [[Wikipedia:IRC channels]] and clicked on #wikipedia, and found myself looking at several lines of meaningless conversation. Then you said hi, but I didn't know how to answer, so I looked for another few minutes, and tried to click things, and then exited the programme.
It's too complicated! [[User:ElinorD|ElinorD]] [[User talk:ElinorD|(talk)]] 12:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, okay. NP. I use [[Gaim]] for my IRC client. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 20:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
== Cleanup templates ==
Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "unreferenced", "fact", "cleanup" etc., are best not "subst"ed. See [[WP:SUBST]] for more details. Regards, ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 16:48 [[5 June]] [[2007]] (GMT).
:Okay. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 16:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
== You have email ==
-TT 19:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Responded. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 20:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
== 84.71.192.107 ==
How exactly was my editing of [[The Bill]] vandalism or in any way unconstructive? I simply did not agree with the new formatting, as I'm sure many regular users will agree, and reverted it back to the origonal edit. My edit did not contain any inappropriate or incorrect information, contained more information than the version I changed, and does not have sufficient grounds for blocking of an IP address. - {{unsigned|84.71.192.107}}
:Responded on your [[User:84.71.192.107|page]]. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 22:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hey there Real - this is Faethe (Rhonda). I am leaving a message so I know how to get hold of you again! Thank you![[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 22:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:No problem. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 22:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey there - Miranda - someone is going about defacing my page with stuff here on wikipedia.
This is really nuts :( I am writing this article and trying to be very careful about my sources. I will post it here unedited so you can tell me your opinion. Thank you![[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 01:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:I have taken care of this incident with your userpage. Go ahead and write the article, and post it here on my user talk, and I can see what I can do. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 03:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for getting me straight again :) Just another note: Here is a link to another article pertaining to some of the practices on Fark that is scheduled for deletion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shadowban
The admin in this case is also a user at fark.com
No, I'm not. Used to be a top 40 submitter, ~170 links or so, but that's long since been superseded, and I rarely visit nowadays. I'm just interested in seeing material added here be notable and verifiable. --Steve (Stephen) talk 03:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I don;t know if that is a conflict of interest or not.
I will finish up with the article tomorrow :)
Rhonda - {{unsigned|Faethe}}
:Will look at the AFD soon. Just get back to me tomorrow. I guess, since you are a '''former''' member of Fark, that wouldn't be a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::The page will probably get deleted because of [[WP:OR|original research]] and [[WP:RS|not having reliable sources]]. Unless there are reliable sources in the article and in your commentary, the article would probably stay deleted. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 04:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Miranda - I have been ooking into this and do have an outside source which is willing to publish an article on this - p2pnet.net. At this point I am still compiling stuff so it reads well. The best thing to do would be (I think) for me to post a criticism on the fark article then reference the shadowban article from there. The thing is both things are related, and they were related until someone changed the fark entry by deleting 'items in the fark filter'. Typing Bannination.com and posting this as a comment will result in the entry being shadowbanned - only visible to the user and not to the rest of the community. It's easy to test if you are a member of fark.com.
My profile is still up on fark but I no longer consider myself a member and will not post there again. If it helps me, I will delete it now. Thank you so much for your advice. I really don't know what I am doing. I am still typing, will hopefully have an outline with references by the end of the day. Thank you! Rhonda[[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 20:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi again Miranda! This is what I have worked up so far as a criticism:
Criticism
On April 25th 2007, at 5:00 PM EST Fark.com modified it's format which was met with mixed results. This was exacerbated by an Admin's remark insisting that users 'get over it' [8]. As a result, some users fled into or started other communities [27]. The most commonly reasons stated for this were:
1. Users felt alienated by the new design [9] and the change in posting rules [11].
2. Users felt alienated by the increased level of moderation..
An example of one individual who was banned as a result of this increased level of moderation is former fark user, mytwocents [28], who was banned and subsequently had her blog's [29] ip address blocked by Fark for reasons that were never made clear. Many other users that either criticized or started new sites [27] that featured criticism of Fark were also subsequently banned.
Like most public forums, Fark has the means to suspend a user's account [30] should circumstances warrant it. One form of banning is the "shadow ban" [31] . There is no official term for this form of banning. It is not mentioned anywhere in Fark's FAQ [32]. Evidence of this has been collected through screencaps and user testimony [33]. When an account has been shadow banned, any posts submitted by the user are invisible to the rest of the community. Only the banned user can see their own posts. Because the user can see their own postings appear in a thread, the user continues to post under the assumption that his or her posts are visible. The shadow banned user is not informed that he/she has been banned from Fark and may continue to post for months before finding out [33].
Examples of Fark's undisclosed site management techniques have been documented as far back as 2004 [34]. A Fark sales rep solicited “highly placed links to his sites in return for several hundred dollars” [34] to Jason Calacanis [35] “publisher of several rival Weblogs, Inc. blogs” [34]. According to a statement on Calacanis' weblog he felt he would “never trust Fark again” [36]. After the incident was reported on Wired News [34], Calacanis noted on his blog that users on Fark who posted concerns about Fark's representatives tactics had their accounts “turned off” [37].
27 Http://www.bannination.com
28 User Mytwocents profile http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/users.pl?login=mytwocents
29 User Mytwocents Blog http://www.thespinzone.com/mytwocents.php
30 Fark.com Posting Guidelines http://www.fark.com/farq/posting.shtml#What_are_the_posting_rules.3F
31 Ratf*cker's guide to shadowbanning http://ergh.org/farkdeceit/others/
32 http://www.fark.com/farq/
33 User BloodyNose's screencaps http://ergh.org/farkdeceit/bloodynose/
34 Wired News “Fark Sells Out: France Surrenders” 8/06/2004 http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/08/64472
35 Joseph Calacanis http://www.calacanis.com/
36 Calacanis.com “Fark.com sells their editorial, and the loyalty of their users.” http://www.calacanis.com/2004/08/02/fark-com-sells-their-editorial-and-the-loyalty-of-their-users/
37 Calacanis.com “Final Thoughts on Fark.com” http://www.calacanis.com/2004/08/06/final-thoughts-on-fark-com/
I also posted this on my talk page. Some of the earlier footnotes were based on what was posted in the original fark article which has since been altered by someone so I will have to redo them. The part of about users feeling alienated was deleted yesterday, as well as most of the text on the fark article about 'fark redesign'. Thank you! Rhonda[[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 01:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::I am unsure about this. You might want to ask on the [[Fark.com]] website. However, with these links, you are using [[WP:NPOV|some neutral and unneutral POV]] and some [[WP:RS|unreliable sources]]. The best thing is to post this on the talk page of the article to see what others think. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I will look at this tomorrow, but you need to contact [[User:Alison|Alison]] first of your proposal. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 01:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Alison - I went ahead and edited the [[Shadowban]] page to reflect more sources. This was my entry in case it gets vandalized by tommorow:
The weird-news-aggregation community website Fark employs the practice; community backlash against this and other practices by administrators and/or moderators spawned the creation of a similar website called banniNation, which attempts to avoid such methods.
Another way to shadow ban someone is to use the Global ignore feature included with vBulletin community forum software. According to vBulletin's website, "This feature Global ignore user aka 'Tachy goes to Coventry' - when enabled all posts by the specified user will be ignored/unseen by other members. Automatically added to the all users ignore lists." [1] . vBulletin forum administrators use Global ignore to hide posts from disruptive users who may otherwise react publicly to being banned, or create legal issues for other users of the website. An example of this is found on The Admin Zone[2]. In response to a question concerning the moderation of a user creating legal issues for an animal care forum, an administrator posted "My 2 cents: Disable her account or put her on global ignore. To me the issue isn't this kid, but your community. Is this the best thing for your community letting her posts, her story, her odd status...take over your community that you spend so much time and effort keeping up and running and civil?"[3].
Discussions concerning the Global ignore feature in vBulletin go back as far as August of 2000[4]. The use of this feature was viewed as a way to alienate a user from the rest of the community by causing the least amount of disruption. In a forum post, vBullletin member Sharg states that “Global ingore is really great. Even if you want to keep your database out of trash wluke. Cause by time the ingored user will get sick of posting and being ignored by eveybody so he will simply leave the board then once he leave you can delete all his posts.”[5].
On WebmasterWorld[6] on January 3, 2006 a discussion thread was started concerning the Washington Post turning off comments during an ongoing discussion. Forum member HughMungus offered this advice on Global ignore:
...instead of deleting accounts or banning people, you trick the bad apples such that they think they can still post and they see their posts with everybody else's posts, but in fact they're the only ones who can see their posts.[7]
When applied to public forums, Global ignore is used as a tool to moderate discussions by 'shadowing' disruptive users. In the case of Fark, 'shadowbanning' has been used to mask contributory comments due to their content[8]. It has also been applied to members of the subscription service Totalfark without their knowledge[9]. This would appear to conflict with a members expectation of open participation in “TotalFark discussions,” which are submitted links not meant to be greenlighted, but rather commented on and discussed by TotalFark members only”. [10]
[[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 05:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:This '''should not be included''' because it has content from message boards, which are [[WP:RS|unreliable sources]]. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 21:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Which one? Also - this is a forum related issue. I think it would qualify under the [[wikiproject]] internet culture? The sources I quote with the shadowban article [[vBulletin]] is based on a software packages inclusion of a feature that enables moderators to mask user comments without the users knowlege. The quotes I gathered go towards the reasoning administrators and users have for employing Global ignore. There are alo multiple instances of the term 'shadowban' used in other communities which I also intend to include.
In the case of fark - I'm not quoting any forums. That's a wired news article being sites in that, as well as the subject of the article. Ratf"ckers page is a compilation of screencaps and testimony from former users of fark who have had various forms of moderation leveled at them. An article is also being published over at [[p2pnet]].net concerning this. That's an independent publication that does not have ties to any of the parties mentioned. Alison has not gotten back to me yet, either. [[User:Faethe|Faethe]] 02:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Advertisment ==
Hi there, I'm the !bot who ran into you on IRC. Just reiterating that I like the idea of running a template ad about WP:LGBT. What would the main purpose for the ad be--to attract more members, to promote activities within the project etc.?--[[User:Xnuala|Xnuala]] ([[User talk:Xnuala|talk]])([[Wikipedia:Editor review/Xnuala|Review]]) 04:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Mainly the ads are to promote the project and get more members involved. I will leave a message on the talk page of the project to see what their ideas are. I have to be careful with this ad, because [[WP:LBGT]] may be controversial to some users. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::Are there any precedents set with controversial ads? I remember hearing something about some sort of incident but my memory is slightly fuzzy. If the ad is written in a neutral tone I feel that it would be appropriate.--[[User:Xnuala|Xnuala]] ([[User talk:Xnuala|talk]])([[Wikipedia:Editor review/Xnuala|Review]]) 04:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
== Guts & Bolts ==
Hi there, I was looking at the article for [[The History Channel]] and corrected a date for a show called [[Guts & Bolts]]. I noticed that there was no article for this show and was about to look into how to create one, but then I thought that I may not be the best person to do this as I had something to do with that program and, thus, may not be able to be completely neutral. You seem to be a trustworthy person to ask, so, here I am asking if I should write something up or not.[[User:AleBrewer|AleBrewer]] 01:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Sure, if the show exists, is [[WP:N|notable]] as well. Also, the article must have [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. - '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 01:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:: As notable as most series, IMHO; there just seems to be a lot of red that could be fleshed out. Thank you - I started off here on the wrong foot and didn't want to take another misstep! [[User:AleBrewer|AleBrewer]] 01:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::You can make your own sandbox, shown here, [[User:AleBrewer/sandbox]], to help you save your changes to the article. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 01:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to the admin noticeboard and write my statement. Take care.[[User:TheRingess|TheRingess]] ([[User talk:TheRingess|talk]]) 01:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== Hola ==
Hola, Miranda? Como estas? Estoy bien, pero cansada porque mi perro es... RUFFY. Y tu? Estoy espernzad tienes un buena dia. Quires chicle? En un barnstar? :). --[[User:EndoExo|<span style="color:#3971DE">'''Endo'''</span>]][[User talk:EndoExo|<span style="color:#336666">'''(Exo)'''</span>]] 02:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Estoy muy cansada, ahora. Pues, estoy mirando NBA en ABC con [[Tony Parker]] (ay, papi!) y [[LeBron James]]. Y, estoy hablando con IRC ahora...en #wikipedia y #trivia. Creo que ir a mi cama...a la hora. Gracias y espero que tenga un dia fabuloso! '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 02:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== [[Kurów]] ==
So I haven't this article on e.g. Brasilian (dialect of Portuguese), Jamtlandic, Hawaiian, Bengal, Tibetan, Chichewa, Shona, Gilaki, Bishnupiya, Xhosa, Zulu, Rwanda, Fijian, Sotho, Singalese, Samoan, Khmer or Oromo. Full list on Polish is [http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/U%C5%BCytkownik:Pietras1988/Interwiki_do_Kurowa here]. [http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/User:Pietras1988 <span style="color:#FF8C20">'''Pietras1988'''</span>] [http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/Dyskusja_u%C5%BCytkownika:Pietras1988 <sup><span style="color:#7ff000;font-weight:bold">'''TALK'''</span></sup>] 08:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:You might want to look [[Wikipedia:Babel|at this page]] to find the languages to contact users who speak the languages natively. However, I will form a request on Meta tomorrow for this article to be translated. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 08:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== Re: Bot ==
Yes but how do I create one (what are the steps)? I've already looked at [[WP:BOTS]] [[User:SuperBall53|<font color="blue">S</font><font color="red">up</font><font color="Purple">e</font><font color="green">r</font><font color="blue">b</font><font color="orange">all</font><font color="green">53</font>]] <font color="blue">[[User talk: SuperBall53|t]]</font> 20:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
PS: Please respond on '''my talk'''
:Sorry, but you are indef. blocked for being a sockpuppet of a banned user, [[User:Bugman94|Bugman94]]. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 21:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== IRC Channel ==
Hey. Could you invite me in to the CU/clerk IRC as "GrooveDog"? Thanks.
[[User:GrooveDog|GrooveDog]] 21:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Done on IRC. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 21:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== Greek umbrella organizations ==
I think I have to agree with [[User:Justinm1978]] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Pan-Hellenic_Council&curid=1981573&diff=136927048&oldid=136914154 this diff] of yours. NPHC is not a fraternity itself, just a coalition of them. —[[User:Scoutersig|Scouter]][[User talk:Scoutersig|Sig]] 05:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:NPHC is a '''coalition''' (i.e. umbrella) of social organizations. NPHC is not a trade association. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 05:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== AIV report ==
Hello :-) May I kindly ask why you recently reported [[User talk:82.1.164.137|82.1.164.137]] to [[WP:AIV|AIV]], the user stopped vandalising at 12:35 and you made the report approximately fifteen minutes ago after the vandal had long stopped, may I kindly ask why you reported them? Kindest Regards --<font face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="2E82F4">[[User:The Sunshine Man|'''The Sunshine''']]</font> <font color="2E82F4">[[User talk:The Sunshine Man|'''Man''']]</font></font> 13:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:First, the user is blocked because of blatant vandalism. And, second I saw the article on my watchlist later, because I was doing something. Third, the IP vandalized 10 minutes after the prior vandalism, which warrants a block, because the user was ''actively vandalizing''. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 13:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Yes but if you look at their [[Special:Contributions/82.1.164.137|contribs]] they stopped vandalism at 12:35 and you reported them about 20 minutes ago, that is approaching two hours of non-vandalism. <font face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="2E82F4">[[User:The Sunshine Man|'''The Sunshine''']]</font> <font color="2E82F4">[[User talk:The Sunshine Man|'''Man''']]</font></font> 13:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I think something is wrong with your browser. Because, first 1.) The server's time is offset 1 hour behind due to UTC and [[Daylight Savings Time]]. 2.) When I reverted, the user [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Game&diff=prev&oldid=137028282 vandalized again]. I am [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]], but please look at all of the evidence before asking questions concerning [[WP:AIV]] and reporting [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandals]]. Thanks! '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Real96|Miranda]]</font>''' 13:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: OK, I suppose he was vandalising, ever since the clocks changed its been really confusing with the times being different but I thought it appeared correct in the USA. Cheers --<font face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="2E82F4">[[User:The Sunshine Man|'''The Sunshine''']]</font> <font color="2E82F4">[[User talk:The Sunshine Man|'''Man''']]</font></font> 13:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Your recent [[WP:USURP|usurpation]] ==
Congratulations on your new username, [[User:Miranda|Miranda]]. Hope you like it. [[User:E|<span style="color:#000066;font-weight:bold">E</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:E|<span style="color:#ED9121">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks! '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 06:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Australia Ad ==
Hi, I saw your Australia ad for that WikiProject. However, the ad encompasses the seal, which is under copyright. Because, of this fact, I am going to make a new banner for this project. '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">[[User:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 23:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Miranda, thanks for notifying me. I was not aware that the seal was under copyright, it wasn't made clear on the image description page. Thanks for the heads up, –[[User:Spebi|<span style="color:#0080FF;font-weight:bold;">Se</span>]][[User talk:Spebi|<span style="color:#53A9FF;">'''''bi'''''</span>]]<span style="font-family:Lucida Console;"> ~</span> 08:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
== Medicine project banner ==
Thank you for your note on the Medicine Wikiproject's talk page. It'd be a great help for us as we always have to struggle to find more participants. This is the only and biggest problem of the whole medicine section in Wikipedia. So if you could create a banner, it'd be awesome.
My suggestions:
* use the [[:commons:Category:Caduceus|caduceus logo]] or something similar
* blue color, similar to the color of the [[Portal:Medicine|portal]] would be great as well
Thanks in advance! Ps: I loved [[:Image:Qxz-ad7.gif|this banner]]. :)
[[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 15:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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