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[[Image:Lovett Hall.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Lovett Hall]]
 
'''William Marsh Rice University''', commonly called '''Rice University''' and opened in 1912 as '''The William Marsh Rice Institute for the Advancement of Letters, Science and Art''', is a private, comprehensive research university located in [[Houston, Texas]], USA, near the [[Houston Museum District|Museum District]] and adjacent to the [[Texas Medical Center]]. Rice is particularly noted for its elite undergraduate division, as well as its strength in the [[applied sciences]]. The university has been a pioneer in the fields of [[nanotechnology]]<ref>"Nanotechnology; Science of the small could drive big revolution". (May 21, 2004). ''Houston Chronicle''.</ref>, [[artificial heart]] research, structural chemical analysis, and space science.
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== Johnny Rotten slams Greenday ==
Sex pistols frontman Johnny Rotten (John Lydon) has lashed out at Green Day, accusing them of stealing the term "punk" and reducing the political movement associated with punk into a simple musical style. He says, according to Contactmusic: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony."
Referring to his band's battle with the police and censors during its heyday, Lydon adds, "The government's against you, the police are on you.
"So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.
"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do."
Personally, I agree with Johnny Rotten here, mainly because he is definately classed as punk and was one of the pioneers of the punk rock movement
--[[User:202.7.190.131|202.7.190.131]] 09:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 
==Reputation==
FUCK YOU ALL!!
 
[[Image:Rice seal.jpg|thumb|right|150px|The seal of Rice University]]
At the undergraduate level, Rice placed at 17th in the 2006 ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]'' rankings of doctoral granting institutions. Further, in the [[Princeton Review]]'s 2007 rankings, Rice was ranked third for “Best Overall Academic Experience for Undergraduates” as well as among the top 20 schools where students “Never Stop Studying.” Hence the expression: "Rice students never leave the hedges," referring to the plantings that both surround the campus and line the academic quad. The same publication also placed it as first in the nation for “Best Quality of Life” and “Lots of Race / Class Interaction.”
 
Undergraduate admissions is highly selective [http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/generalinfomore.asp?listing=1023709&ltid=1] with only 22% [http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4738405.html]of its applicants for the Class of 2011 being offered a place. Of the 727 who enrolled, 76% were in their high school's top 5% with 19% of the total class being [[valedictorian]]s. Verbal [[SAT]] scores for this class were 660 and 760 for the 25th and 75th percentiles respectively, while SAT math scores were 670 and 780 at 25th and 75th percentiles. Enrollment at Rice will be rising in the next several years, so expect rising application and/or acceptance rates. Approximately twenty percent of undergraduates are [[National Merit Scholarship Program|National Merit Scholars]], and Rice has often enrolled the highest percentage of National Merits in its freshman class among American universities. Rice has also recently ranked first for the percentage of its students receiving [[National Science Foundation|National Science Fellowships]].
GREEN DAY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Comprehensively, the 2006 ''[[Academic Ranking of World Universities]]'', popularized by ''[[The Economist]]'' and produced by [[Shanghai Jiao Tong University]]'s Institute of Higher Education, ranked Rice amongst the top 100 institutions globally in terms of quality of scientific research leading towards numerous awards <ref name="shanghai2">{{cite web | title=Top 500 World Universities | year=2006 | publisher=Shanghai Jiao Tong University | url=http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm | accessdate=2006-08-15}}</ref>. Also, in the annual rankings by the ''[[The Times Higher Education Supplement]]'', based on a subjective peer review by scholars, Rice finished amongst the top 150 schools internationally [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,348516,00.jpg]. These rankings highlight the emphasis Rice places on its undergraduates, yet also signal the school's ability to maintain a reputable research environment at the graduate level. Indeed, Rice University possesses an [[financial endowment|endowment]] of $4.1 billion, fifth-highest per student among U.S. universities. Being relatively generous with these funds allows the university to charge lower tuition, room, and board than most other prestigious private universities, as indicated by its $23,782 tuition and $21,157 average freshman total need-based gift aid, leading it to be mentioned as a “Best Buy” school [http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/generalinfo.asp?listing=1023709&LTID=1]. Tuition for the 2007-2008 school year is expected to be approximately $30,000.
== Berkely or Oakland? ==
It said Berkely Calif on the page, I found this confusing as Billie Joe Armstrong announced on their Bullet in a Bible DVD, that "Were Green Day from Oakland California, but now England is official home of Green Day". If anyone needs it, I can lookup which song and timing he says it. Thats why I changed Berkely to Oakland. --[[User:Dueyfinster|Duey Finster]] 20:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:He may have been talking about where they are from now, not where they originated. I was under the impression they started in Rodeo. -- [[User:Simpatico|Simpatico]] 05:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Students==
Maybe, no way of telling for sure. If its good enough for Billie Joe to say it, I think its good enough for wikipedia. Its on "Bullet in a Bible" album, song is "Minority" and time is approx. 2min mark, on the UK/Ireland version of the album (other regions may differ). --[[User:Dueyfinster|Duey Finster]] 21:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
All undergraduate students of Rice are members of the [[residential college|residential college system]], and there are no [[fraternities and sororities|fraternities]] or [[fraternities and sororities|sororities]]. The [http://sa.rice.edu Student Association] is the university level student government organization. The SA claims every undergraduate as a member. Rice's undergraduate enrollment currently is about 3,000, with a student-teacher ratio of about 5:1.<ref>Rice University Office of Institutional Research, [http://www.professor.rice.edu/professor/Quick_Facts.asp?SnID=1003814005#studentinfo| Quick Facts, Fall 2005]</ref> Approximately two-thirds of the students major in two or more disciplines. Rice ranks highly among [[National Collegiate Athletic Association|NCAA]] Division I-A schools in the graduation rate of student-athletes.<ref>Rice Athletics, "Academic Awards and Achievements," [http://riceowls.cstv.com/athleteservices/academic-awards.html| RiceOwls.com]</ref> Seventy-seven percent of the students reside on campus, and intramural sport participation is the highest in the nation. Rice students are locally known for being "brainiacs".
 
==Campus==
[[Image:Founders bench.jpg|thumb|right|150px|A stone bench in Founder's Court]]
Rice University occupies a heavily-wooded 285 acre tract of land adjoining [[Hermann Park]], Houston's most historically significant public green space, and the [[Houston Museum District]]. Also adjoining is the world's largest medical complex, the [[Texas Medical Center]], and a neighborhood commercial center, [[Rice Village]]. Hermann Park includes the [[Houston Museum of Natural Science]], the [[Houston Zoo]], [[Miller Outdoor Theatre]] and an 18-hole municipal golf course. [[Reliant Park]], home of [[Reliant Stadium]] and the [[Astrodome]], is two miles (3 km) south of the campus. Among the dozen or so museums in the Museum District is the [[Rice University Art Gallery]], open during the school year. Easy access to downtown's theater and nightlife district and to Reliant Park is provided by the Houston [[METRORail]] system, with a station adjacent to the campus's main gate.
 
Several interdisciplinary research institutes, schools and think tanks are located on the Rice campus, including the [[Rice Architecture School]], [[Shepherd School of Music]], [[James Baker Institute|James Baker Institute for Public Policy]], [[Rice Quantum Institute]], the [[Rice Engineering Design and Development Institute]], the [[Rice Design Alliance]], the [[Computer and Information Technology Institute]], the [[Smalley Institute for Nanoscale Science and Technology]], and the [[Center for Biological and Environmental Nanotechnology]].
:It could be that Billy Joe said that because at the time they were in england. He may have ment they felt like they were home, being that it was there most profitable concert (the show sold out, twice). After a Yahoo! search I found this "It takes [Billie-Joe] every crowd-pleasing trick in the book to control a crowd of 60,000 plus, and he uses them all, several times. So we get shout-outs to "England!", which is now "the official home of Green Day" (which will no doubt come to a surprise to the other official homes of Green Day that the band visited on their European tour)." Which further proves he was giving the U.K. the same treatment as all the other countries in their tour, there was nothing "offical" about it. He was just pleasing the crowd. Making once again, Oakland California, the home of Green Day --[[User:Jeffspace2002|Jeffspace2002]] 04:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
The campus itself is organized into a number of [[quadrangle]]s, and features buildings designed in an eclectic Mediterranean style by [[Ralph Adams Cram]] of the Boston architectural firm of [[Cram, Goodhue & Ferguson]]. The ''Academic Quad'' is centered on the memorial statue of [[William Marsh Rice]]. It includes the Lovett Hall, the grand principal building of the university; Fondren Library; and buildings for physics, languages, architecture, arts and the humanities. The ''Engineering Quad'' is centered on a set of three sculptures by [[Michael Heizer]] collectively entitled "45/90/180" and includes buildings for the electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, chemistry and computer science departments. Undergraduates are randomly assigned to the [[residential college|college system]]. Nine residential colleges ([[Baker College (Rice University)|Baker]], [[Brown College (Rice University)|Brown]], [[Hanszen College|Hanszen]], [[Jones College (Rice University)|Jones]], [[Lovett College|Lovett]], [[Martel College|Martel]], [[Sid Richardson College|Sid Rich]], [[Wiess College|Wiess]], and [[Will Rice College|Will Rice]]) act as self-governed social units. The 10th and 11th residential colleges, one of which will be called McMurtry College, are currently in the planning stages.
 
Each residential college has developed its own traditions, including [[#Baker 13|Baker 13]], and the [[#Night of Decadence|Night of Decadence]] (also known as NOD). Due in part to the traditions of the college system, ''[[Seventeen (magazine)|Seventeen]]'' magazine, read by many high school students, named Rice the "coolest college in the land" in its "Top 100 Coolest Colleges" issue (October [[2002]]).
The members of Green Day are orginially from Rodeo, California according to the DVD Biography "Suburbia Bomb".
 
==History==
Berkley and oakland really are essentially the same city, or rather they're so close to each other that it doesn't matter too much which one you say you're fraom. Here's a map: http://www.ironic.com/oakland/Oakland_1917.jpg as you can see they basically form one continuous urban area.
[[Image:Rice statue.jpg|260px|thumb|right|Founder's Statue at Dedication, 1930]]
Rice University was founded by [[William Marsh Rice]] in [[1891]] and was originally named ''The William Marsh Rice Institute for the Advancement of Letters, Science, and Art.''
 
Before the Rice Institute could be opened, there were challenges to be endured. William Marsh Rice, 84 and living alone in New York, was poisoned by his valet in [[1900]]. On discovery that Rice's will had been changed to leave the bulk of his estate to a lawyer "friend," [[Albert T. Patrick]], Mr. Rice's lawyers and the New York district attorney uncovered evidence proving Patrick had conspired with Rice's valet to prepare the false will, leading to Patrick's murder conviction in [[1901]]. Legal challenges to William Rice's will continued through [[1904]], when the Rice Institute finally received a $4.6 million (about $95 million in [[inflation|2005 dollars]]) funding endowment. By the time the Institute opened in 1912, its endowment had grown to almost $10 million, the seventh largest university endowment in the country at the time.
Don't need to go about changing it or arguing more, I'm '''positive''' they originated in Berkley. [[User:Wikipeedio|Wikipeedio]] 01:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 
[[Edgar Odell Lovett]] of Princeton was selected as the first president of the Rice Institute. Lovett undertook extensive research before formalizing plans for the new Institute, including visits to 78 institutions of higher learning across the world in [[1908]] and [[1909]]. The cornerstone was laid for the first campus building, now Lovett Hall, in [[1911]]. In [[1912]], course work began. Rice was unusual for that time in admitting both male and female students. The first class consisted of 48 men and 29 women. The student body voted to adopt an Honor System in [[1916]]; Rice's first commencement exercises were held the same year.
== American Idiot interpretation ==
I find the interpretation inacurate, wanting to focus in the war when the story is not of a "boy going to war like the video". The story is of a boy who is growing up in a country really mess up, fell the sadness, get to the bad influences (Jimmy) and the drugs (Novacaine), find a girl (Shes a rebel and Whatsername) and end in na office doing paper work, and other stuff. I would edit the article myself, but i'm not very good in english :(
 
In [[1930]], the founder's memorial statue, a landmark to the campus, was dedicated. The [[residential college]] system was adopted in [[1957]], some twenty years after [[Yale University]] did the same.
Really messed up country? I think ur the one on "novacaine," bud. Don't insult my home. We may have some people in congress bsing us, but our nation is still the only superpower in the world and continues to flourish.
[[Image:Rice statue 2006.jpg|260px|thumb|right|Founder's Statue, September 2006]]
In [[1959]], the [[Rice Institute Computer]] went online. [[1960]] saw Rice Institute formally renamed Rice University. Rice donated much of its land to form [[NASA]]'s Manned Space Flight Center (now called [[Johnson Space Center]]) in [[1962]], prompting [[John F. Kennedy|President John F. Kennedy]] to make a speech at [[Rice Stadium]] announcing that the United States intended "to become the world's leading space-faring nation." The relationship of [[NASA]] with Rice University and the city of Houston has remained strong to the present day.
 
The original charter of Rice Institute dictated that the university admit and educate, tuition-free, "the white inhabitants of Houston, and the state of Texas." In [[1963]], the governing board of Rice University filed a lawsuit to allow Rice to modify its charter to admit students of all races and to charge tuition. Rice won its case, and charged tuition for the first time in [[1965]]. In the same year, Rice launched a $33 million (about $200 million in [[inflation|2005 dollars]]) development campaign. $43 million (about $215 million in [[inflation|2005 dollars]]) was raised by its conclusion in [[1970]]. In [[1974]], two new schools were founded at Rice, the [[Jesse H. Jones Graduate School of Management]] and the [[Shepherd School of Music]]. The Brown Challenge, a fund-raising program designed to encourage annual gifts, launched in [[1976]], ending in [[1996]] having raised $185 million (about $225 million in [[inflation|2005 dollars]]). The [[Rice School of Social Sciences]] was founded in [[1979]].
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The [[G8|Economic Summit of Industrialized Nations]] was held at Rice in [[1990]]. In [[1993]], the [[James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy]] was created. In [[1997]], the Edyth Bates Old Grand Organ and Recital Hall and the [[Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology]], renamed in 2005 for the late Nobel Prize winner and Rice professor Richard E. Smalley, were dedicated at Rice. In [[1999]], the [[Center for Biological and Environmental Nanotechnology]] was created. The Rice Owls [[baseball]] team was ranked #1 in the nation for the first time in that year ([[1999]]), holding the top spot for eight weeks. In [[2003]], the Owls won their first national championship in baseball, which was the first for the university in any team sport, beating the University of Texas and Stanford University twice each en route to the title.
:That is exactly right sir, I am also pretty sure, when the album is bought, it provides an explanation. Green Day, also has provided this kind of explanation. --[[User:Mac Davis|Mac Davis]] 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 
==Schools==
Even though most of the album is based on wild conspiracy theories with no proof? I'm sure if Bush was the monster they claim, he'd have shot them... but when do anti-war celebrities ever make sense? IAnd I got to hear the song American Idiot... it's nothing but whining about Bush, 9/11 victim trashing, and terrorist sympathy.
Rice offers degrees in many subjects [http://www.students.rice.edu/students/Departments.asp] from the following schools:
*[[Rice School of Architecture|School of Architecture]]
**The [http://arch.rice.edu Rice School of Architecture] (RSA) is highly regarded as a test bed for theoretical, research-oriented architectural study. A 2006 ranking by [http://www.di.net/ Design Intelligence], "America's Best Architecture & Design Schools," placed the RSA undergraduate program at #3 (tied with [[Cal Poly SLO]]). The 2007 ranking placed Rice's undergraduate program at #2 in the nation, surpassed only by Cornell University's. The graduate program was ranked at #6 nationally. The overall program was ranked at #6 in terms of academic innovation. The study results were based on a wide-ranging survey of professional design practitioners from all regions of the United States..
 
*[[George R. Brown School of Engineering]]
The person above me obviously is just another person who buys into politicos bullshit. The song "American Idiot" in no way (literal, metaphorical, symbolically) trashes 9/11 victims or sympathizes terrorists. The Bush whining is more like Bush bashing with the title, but the song is more about waking up to realize we've been hypnotized by a "truth" that might actually be made up of lies. That we live in an age where we take everything at face value and don't look any deeper. You sir, are probably a true blue and red blooded patriot. Waving your little flag, leaving it out in the rain for fear the terrorists will win if you take it down? Don't criticize the government and a misguided miscalculated war because then you'd be an enemy of America? Well, how can you disregard Green Day's freedom to say something while the only thing you've ever questioned of the government is when will we have another wonderful 4 years of Bush?! because since when do faux-patriotic Americans ever make sense? You can ramble about anything. You only want to make Green Day the enemy because you're running out of people to scapegoat for the problems of America. You sir, are the problem of America. Think you know everything. Shut up.--[[User:MassProducedGod|MassProducedGod]] 04:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
*[[Rice School of Humanities|School of Humanities]]
*[[Shepherd School of Music]]
*[[Wiess School of Natural Sciences]]
*[[Rice School of Social Sciences|School of Social Sciences]]
*[[Jesse H. Jones Graduate School of Management]]
*[[Susanne M. Glasscock School of Continuing Studies]]
 
==College system==
First of all, everyone here thinks they're an anarchist cause they listen to Green Day and don’t like Bush very much. Well, you can say 'fuck the system' and 'down with bush' and use 'scapegoat' in everything you say, but seriously, chill the fuck out. I listen to punk rock- new Green Day not being one band I listen to but not because they're popular or any of that shit, it’s because they're fucking fakes. Just because I listen to punk, go to punk shows, play in punk bands, does not mean I must complain about the government every second I can; I wouldn’t be enjoying life. And if you want to write music about how you feel, that's great, but it should actually mean something to you and not be some hypocritical bullshit just to get your fucking album sold. Now I cant remember how I got myself on this site and I don’t know why I'm wasting my minutes on here... but I find it incredibly RIDICULOUS that anyone on this thing takes Green Days lyrics seriously… or even bothers listening to Green Day’s lyrics and trying to find meaning it any of them. If you want meaning, listen to Dookie or something; listen to songs about cross-dressing and fucking with people. Green Day has written such little about politics before this album. Now that ‘punk’ has come back and total badass bands like Good Charlotte and My Chemical Romance are crying on stage as 8-year-old girls are drooling over their pictures in some teen magazine, green day has started dressing in black, wearing make-up and singing about America being corrupt. Now, if you’re not convinced that green day is sold out or you think they’re doing this because they really want to send a message out to people unaware that our country’s fucked, read the lyrics a little more and take a look at the fucking band. “Don’t wanna be an American idiot, one nation controlled by the media.” I was in Newberry Comics the other day and saw a stack of Green Day’s ‘American Idiot’ CDs and thought, why would you want to buy that CD in bulk? Then I took a closer look and saw that they were blank CDs. Green Day is now selling blank CDs. So if you’re just another fucking idiot that listens to the new Green Day saying “these guys are bad-ass” then fine, but if you’re taking in their bullshit lyrics, just remember, you’re a fucking American idiot. If anyone would like to further argue with me, please do. I would love to hear what you have to say to defend these guys that would never stand up for you. Otherwise just go listen to your pop punk and spend daddy’s cash at Hot Topic.
The [[residential college]] system is the focus of the undergraduate experience at Rice University. This takes the place of the typical American university on-campus housing organization of dorms, fraternities, and sororities. When students become undergraduates they are assigned to a residential college (often simply referred to as a 'college') randomly, although "legacy" exceptions are made for students whose siblings or other close relatives have attended (or are attending) Rice.
-Jope
 
Each college enjoys the diversity of the greater university with regard to majors, ethnicities, personalities, athletes, etc. Students remain a member of the college that they are assigned to for the duration of their undergraduate career. The vast majority of students prefer to live on campus for all four years, but shortage of spaces results in some students being forced to live off campus each year (though they remain members of the college and typically take their meals, or at least their lunches, there). Students are guaranteed on-campus housing for freshman year (as well as three of their first four years), and each college has its own system for determining allocation of the remaining spaces. Most colleges have some form of "room draw," in which people claim rooms in order of seniority. Each college has its own set of buildings, commons, and dining hall (or shares a "servery" with other colleges).
I think the article needs a change to the interpretation of the rock opera. Perhaps song by song?
Here is my interpretation:
 
Students tend to develop extreme loyalty to their college and maintain friendly rivalry with other colleges, especially during events such as [[#Beer-Bike|Beer Bike]] and [[O-Week (Rice University)|O-Week]]. As a result of this organization the colleges are the central social structure of the undergraduate population at Rice. When asked where they are from, students often reply with their college rather than their hometown. Students social groups tend to, but not always, revolve around their college. This has been the most significant criticism of the college system: that it tends to create groups of friends within a college to the exclusion of people in the other colleges. Colleges keep their rivalries alive by performing "jacks," or pranks, on each other, especially during O-Week (Orientation Week) and "Willy Week," the week preceding [[#Beer-Bike|Beer Bike]].
American Idiot- JOS is afraid of becoming an american idot. He recognizes the control of the media over what we think.
 
There are currently nine residential colleges, with six ([[Baker College (Rice University)|Baker]], [[Hanszen College|Hanszen]], [[Lovett College|Lovett]], [[Sid Richardson College|Sid Rich]], [[Wiess College|Wiess]], and [[Will Rice College|Will Rice]]) on the south side of campus and three ([[Brown College (Rice University)|Brown]], [[Jones College (Rice University)|Jones]], and [[Martel College|Martel]]) on the north. Although each college is composed of a full cross-section of students at Rice, each college over time has developed its own personality and traditions to varying degrees. All colleges except Sid Richardson College ("[[Sid Richardson College|Sid Rich]]") are organized around their own small quadrangle.
Jesus of Suburbia- We learn the story of JOS's childhood. Towards the end he decides to leave home.
 
At Matriculation, Commencement, and other formal academic ceremonies, the colleges process in the order in which they were established.
Holiday- JOS is amazed by all he sees after leaving home and going on holiday. This song is also a direct attack on Gearge Bush.
 
====South colleges====
Boulevard of Broken Dreams- JOS is lonely.
Baker, Will Rice, Hanszen, and Wiess are the original four colleges, created in 1957 on the grounds of what were then called the North, South, West, and Wiess residence halls.
 
[[Baker College (Rice University)|Baker College]], slightly smaller than the other eight colleges, is officially oldest and includes the original wood-paneled library, living quarters, and dining facility of the campus. It is named after Captain James A. Baker, William Marsh Rice's lawyer who uncovered the plot of Rice's butler. Baker was also the grandfather of [[James Baker|James A. Baker III]], [[United States Secretary of State|Secretary of State]] to [[George H.W. Bush|President George H.W. Bush]] and the namesake of the [http://bakerinstitute.org/ James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy]. Traditions at Baker College include its annual Shakespeare play and Shakespeare-themed Baker Feast, its annual jazz-themed party, Baker Blues, and an annual Freshman Camping Trip, in which the freshman class brings back the college's 25' tall Christmas tree.
Are we we are- JOS is unhappy with his identity and decides to go to the City where he hopes to find himself.
 
[[Will Rice College]] is the second college, though its original dormitory building, originally called South Hall, is the oldest building on campus built as a residential hall. Will Rice prides itself on its individualism and tends to focus on its extensive winning history in the annual [[#Beer-Bike|Beer Bike]] competition. Will Rice was named not after Rice's founder but after his nephew William Marsh Rice Jr., who was himself a contributor to the university.
St. Jimmy- JOS reinvents hemself and becomes the rebellios St. Jimmy
 
[[Hanszen College]] was the third residence built at Rice. Hanszen is known for its family atmosphere and for being mysteriously protective of a knight sculpture known as the Guardian on the college grounds.
Give me Novacaine- He starts using drugs.
 
[[Wiess College]], the fourth and westernmost college, was originally Wiess Hall, the first residence hall at Rice named after a person. Male and female members of Wiess College are known equally as Wiessmen and refer to their community as Team Wiess. Wiess has a reputation for being both especially cohesive and especially insular, with a more distinct or visible set of traditions than the other colleges and a tendency not to go along with trends embraced by the other colleges. In [[2002]], Wiess became the first college to move from one building to another, when a new college facility opened to replace Wiess Hall, which had deteriorated to the point of being nearly uninhabitable. Whereas the old Wiess was said (with some affection) to resemble a cheap motel, the new Wiess is often said to resemble a prison, with corrugated looking roofs, steel mesh railings, and narrow passages overlooked by balconies.
She's a Rebel- JOS/St. Jimmy meets whasername.
 
[[Lovett College]] was opened as an all-male college in [[1968]] after student riots of the 1960s, with an eye towards being riot-proof. Lovett, named after the first president of Rice, Edgar Odell Lovett, is sometimes referred to as "the toaster" after its rectangular facade and [[Brutalist architecture|brutalist]] design.
Extraordinary girl- They fall in love but are uncertain.
 
[[Sid Richardson College]], known as Sid Rich or simply Sid, is the tallest building on campus. Sid uses its height to advantage and uses "mors de super" (an extremely unidiomatic Latin rendering of "death from above") as its motto. Almost every Friday afternoon during the school year, Radio Free Sid (the name based on [[Radio Free Europe]] of the Cold War era) plays on large speakers from the topmost balcony. This music can be heard throughout the campus. Sid opened in 1971 in what was once part of Lovett College's parking lot, making Sid and Lovett sister colleges and arch-rivals.
Letterbomb- Whasername breaks up with JOS/St. Jimmy because she knows he is crazy.
 
====North colleges====
Wake me up when september ends- JOS/St. Jimmy is sad after breaking up with Whasername. This song is also about Billy Joel's father who died when he was a kid.
[[Jones College (Rice University)|Jones College]] and [[Brown College (Rice University)|Brown College]] are the two original north colleges.
 
Brown College, following a 2002 expansion, is the largest college based on number of members and residents.
Homecoming- JOS decides to get rid of St. Jimmy. He is not sure what to do with himself but he finally decides to return home.
 
The isolation of the two north colleges was reduced in [[2002]] by the opening of a third north college, [[Martel College]]. As a result of its recent formation, Martel has few traditions and is playfully mocked by the other colleges. However, it is becoming an integrated part of the Rice college system with some of the newest facilities on campus.
Whasername- Many years later JOS thinks fondly about his times with Whasername.
 
====Co-education====
== Collective Noun Crash Course ==
For Rice's first four decades, on-campus housing was exclusively for men. Hence, all of the south colleges were originally all-male. Jones College was the first women's residence on the Rice campus, followed by Brown. According to legend, the women's colleges were purposefully situated at the opposite end of campus from the existing men's colleges as a way of preserving campus propriety. The path linking the north colleges to the center of campus is still known as "Virgin's Walk." Legend is that if one walks down "Virgin's Walk" and kicks out all the lamps, they are bound to "get lucky" that night.
TheoClarke edited this page to change verbs describing the actions of the band from plural to singular. This, however, is unnecessary and (in circles outside the US) considered to be incorrect. It is the equivalent of changing the spelling of "colour" to "color" and vice versa. [[User:Stellis|Stellis]] 09:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
:I apologise for that. I reversed a change from what I thought was a correct usage to what I thought was an incorrect one. I did not know that this was another US-English/Commonwealth-English divide, although I would be surprised to find that I favour US-usage. Please put it down to error rather than nationalism. I remembered being taught (in England) that either plural or singular verbs could be used after collective nouns but that singular verbs were preferable where they applied to the subject as a single entity. For example, "The band is a rock group" and "The band were born in Greensboro" are both correct, whereas "The band was born in Greenboro" is incorrect (unless they were triplets). To my knowledge (and I can find nothing in the edit history that contradicts this), I changed just one word, once, so you may be confusing me with someone else who made other changes (although I could not find evidence of such changes on a quick look through). Strictly speaking, though, (and I had not considered this before) this article should be written in US-English since it concerns subject that is tightly coupled to the US. &mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 13:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
::No harm done [[User:Stellis|Stellis]] 23:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 
The colleges became co-ed in the following order:
== Green Day's Punk Disputes ==
Baker and Hanszen in 1973,
Will Rice in 1978,
Lovett and Jones in 1980,
Wiess in 1983, and
Sid Rich and Brown in 1987.
 
Martel is the only college which has always been co-ed, due primarily to its very recent opening.
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====College events====
==Green Day In Disguise==
Each residential college holds an event each semester called College Night, historically a formal or semiformal dinner. College Nights were originally intended as festive occasions that brought the entire college together, including faculty and community associates. By the 1980s, most of them had evolved into drunken spectacles. Wiess is currently the only college whose associates regularly attend College Night.
*<s>For the IP that edited the paragraph regarding GD's 2003 master tapes being related to "The Network": Sorry, but that sounds rather unlikely that a band could release an album using someone else's master tapes. The whole thing seemed kind of POV, so I excised it from the article. If you'd like to prove your case, feel free; I'm always open to being proven wrong. I think I might have proved myself wrong, and as such I'm going to *cough* attempt to hide the evidence. >_>[[User:Mo0|[[User:Mo0|Mo0]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User Talk:Mo0|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 22:38, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)</s>
 
====Graduate residences====
*Okay, let's try this again. I'm going to leave the article up the way it is, without reverting it. What I'll ask for is simply a confirmation of whether The Network is, in fact, Green Day. Once that happens, I will rewrite the things related to The Network, as what is there feels a bit POV-ed. Apologies for the massive stupidity on my part. [[User:Mo0|[[User:Mo0|Mo0]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User Talk:Mo0|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>]] 22:45, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Although graduate students may choose to join a college, their college membership does not include housing privileges, and thus it is extremely rare for graduate students to affiliate with a college. Most Rice graduate students live at the university-owned and operated [http://gradapts.rice.edu/ Rice Graduate Apartments] at 1515 Bissonnet (on the site of the former Southampton Apartment complex, demolished in 1997) or in private housing off campus. The complex is located near Houston's museum district and has convenient shuttle service to and from campus.
 
The previous "Grad House"&mdash;converted from a motel&mdash;was demolished and is now a fenced-in grassy field across from St. Luke's Hospital at the corner of South Main and University Blvd. It is the projected home of a new Collaborative Research Center, linking Rice and [[Texas Medical Center]] research.
:The members of the band Green Day are all members of the band The Network. There are two additional members in The Network that are not members of Green Day. See [[The Network]] for more/correct details. [[User:Stellis|Stellis]] 23:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 
==Honor Code==
Billie Joe confirmed that Mike, Tre, and himself were members of The Network in an issue of Q Magazine during summer 2005. He also denies that The Network's "Money Money 2020" was actually the lost mastertapes for "Cigarettes and Valentines".
 
Rice's honor code gives its students a great deal of freedom and flexibility, allowing such things as take-home exams and closed book exams to exist. The student swears to abide by the honor code by writing or signing the following words on his work: ''On my honor, I have neither given nor received any unauthorized aid on this assignment.'' Potential infractions are dealt with by an all-student Honor Council, elected by popular vote.
== "green day in hell" ==
 
==Traditions==
[[User:67.67.132.59]] wrote in the article "It has also been reported in print by the band members themselves that a principal at their school once made the comment that it would be a "green day" in hell before they amounted to anything." I cannot find any original citation of this although it is often repeated so I have made it anecdotal until we have verified the source. --[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 14:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
{{Unreferenced|date= May 2007}}
===Baker 13===
Baker 13 is one of the most enduring student traditions at Rice University. At 10 p.m. on the 13th, 26th, or the 31st of every month, a group of students runs around the entire campus wearing nothing but [[shaving cream]] (possibly due to Houston's temperate climate during the school year) and protective footwear. Although the run usually attracts a small number of students, on [[Halloween]] and the last relevant day of the school year (generally [[April 26]]), the event usually has a fair turnout, regularly attracting over 100 students.<ref>colleges50th.rice.edu/files/arcs/2007111163547.pdf</ref>
 
Occasionally, the Baker 13 run has taken place during the day, as was the case in one of the Beer Bike events that fell on the proper date. On this occasion, runners stormed the Beer Bike parade, only to have to quit, half way down, when the sweat started melting the shaving cream away.
Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye open and a Google tab available to hunt down that citation - if it really exists, that is. =) [[User:TheWanderer|Wanderer]] 02:45, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 
The participants run to all residential colleges, often leaving shaving cream impressions by pressing their bodies on windows and doors. The results resemble the anthropometry paintings of [[Yves Klein]]. College members often throw water balloons on the runners. The runners usually shout the anti-cheer of the college they are running by and the Baker 13 cheer, "Join us! Join us!" Although the students are naked, the event is non-sexual, silly, and exuberant.
I'll confirm it, though I don't have a textual basis for it. [[User:Canaen|Canaen]] 08:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 
The run usually finishes at [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~valhalla/ Valhalla], the graduate student pub on campus. In recent years runners have been given a complimentary soft-drink in lieu of free beer due to concerns about under-aged drinking. Sometimes the runners continue their run, joined by a Valhalla patron or two who decides to join in on the fun.
==Sales levels==
Does anyone know which records went gold, platinum, double platinum, etc.? Three singles were flagged with such qualificatiosn but this is misleading if we do not yupdate the entire list in one go. Please could knowledgable editors annotate the following list so that we can update the article in one consistent hit. Please italicise each title as you bring it up to date so that we know when low-selling titles have been processed.&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 12:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
===Albums===
''1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours'' no cert (only 55,000 units)<br>
''Kerplunk!'' Platinum (though it's actually sold 680,000 units)<br>
''Dookie'' 10x Platinum (though it's 11 million sold)<br>
''Insomniac'' 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold)<br>
''Nimrod'' 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold)<br>
''Warning:'' Gold (500,000 sold)<br>
''International Superhits!'' Gold (1.2 M sold)<br>
''Shenanigans'' no cert (183,000 sold)<br>
''American Idiot'' 3x Platinum (3.6 M sold)<br>
 
In 2002, as a precursor to the Winter Olympics held in Salt Lake City, the Olympic torch passed through Houston and Rice University. While it passed through the Rice campus, two Baker 13ers ran in front of it.
===EPs===
Sweet Children<br>
1,000 Hours<br>
Slappy<br>
American Idiot<br>
Sessions@AOL - Green Day<br>
Bowling Bowling Bowling Parking Parking
===Singles===
Welcome to Paradise<br>
Basket Case<br>
Longview<br>
When I Come Around<br>
Geek Stink Breath<br>
Stuck With Me<br>
Brain Stew/Jaded<br>
Hitchin' a Ride<br>
Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)<br>
Redundant<br>
Minority<br>
Warning (2000)<br>
Warning (2001)<br>
''American Idiot'' [Platinum]<br>
''Boulevard of Broken Dreams'' [Triple Platinum]<br>
''Holiday'' [Gold]<br>
Wake Me Up When September Ends<br>
(Hi, Im just wondering, does anyone know the next single after Wake me up when September Ends?)
 
===Night of Decadence===
I think the single after WMUWSE is going to be Extraordinary Girl. It's been playing in my hometown and they hinted at it during their Dayton concert in October.
Every year around Halloween, [[Wiess College]] throws a party called Night of Decadence (commonly referred to simply as "NOD"). The party started in the 1970s and quickly became a legendary event at Rice and in [[Houston]], drawing young alumni and students from other universities in addition to Rice students. After a few years as simply Night of Decadence, the College began adopting a theme for each year's party. In the 1970s and 1980s, many of the themes were historical and/or apocalyptic in nature (e.g. The [[Fall of Rome]], [[Caligula]], [[Armageddon]], [[Animal House]], The [[Trojan War]]). By the 1990s the themes were generally sexual puns, often based on movie titles (e.g. James Bondage, Lust in Space), with sexually themed decorations.<ref>http://teamwiess.com/nod/</ref>
:Actually, Jesus of Suburbia just came out as a single. It also includes St. Jimmy, the "VH1 Storytellers" version.
Theo, I just added a few days ago what the US sales were since on Billboard.com they have a column called Ask Billboard where they sometimes release sales figures of album. I added them all to the regular album entries. Mind you, [[Dookie]] which is certified 10x platinum hasn't even sold 8 million copies yet, so you can see how the certifications can be misleading. [[Warning:]] has also sold 1 million units, but is actually still only certified gold (500,000 sales) as is [[International Superhits!]] which has actually sold 1.2 million. If you want to check out the certifications, go to www.riaa.com and go to the certification database and enter whichever artists' name you wish and you will get the info you desire.
 
Instead of traditional costumes, students dress as degenerately (or as minimally) as possible. Pregnant nuns and drag dress are some of the tamer outfits. Although there are always several people creatively attired in Saran Wrap or fishnet stockings and pasties, a typical costume is boxer shorts for men, and bra and panties for women.
Actually, I've added the certs next to each album in your list.
 
Because of its overtly sexual context, NOD eventually became a polarizing event on the Rice campus. Alternative events on campus included Night of Innocence (offered since at least the 1980s) and Night of Praise. NOD remains one of the most popular parties on campus, though the decorations have become more conservative in recent years.
-[[User:PetSounds|PetSounds]] 28 June 2005 19:40 (UTC)
 
For a more detailed history of NOD, please see the article on [[Wiess College]].
Great job! Now we need to decide where to put this information. How about in the last column along with chart positions?&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 29 June 2005 06:07 (UTC)
 
===Beer-Bike===
[http://beerbike.rice.edu Beer-Bike], a Rice tradition since [[1957]], is a combination intramural bicycle race and drinking competition. All nine of the residential colleges plus the graduate school participate with a men's, women's, and alumni (co-ed) team. Each leg of the race is a sort of relay in which a team's "chugger" must chug 24 ounces for the men's division and 12 ounces for women before the team's "rider" may begin to ride.
 
In conjunction with the increase of the Texas [[legal drinking age]] to 21 in [[1986]] the rules were amended to permit underage chuggers to chug water instead of beer. Over the years underage chuggers increasingly exercised this option. In recent races even some students of legal drinking age have begun to chug water, and on some teams beer chugging may have disappeared altogether.
I think the next single is "Jesus of Suburbia"
...and i thought the "wake me up..." video was long...
 
An excellent male chugger can finish a 24-ounce container in about three seconds (beer or water). Colleges place great pride in the skill of their chug teams (many holding chug practices every Thursday night for the entire year), though the vast majority of separation between teams is due to the cycling component. Ten riders and ten chuggers make up a team. Elaborate rules include details such as a prohibition of "bulky or wet clothing articles designed to absorb beer/water or prevent spilled beer/water from being seen" and regulations for chug can design.
Now that JoS is out, is there gonna be another single from American Idiot?
 
Prior to the race, the colleges parade the wrong way along the one-way campus inner loop while participating in one of the largest water balloon fights in the world, with more than 1,000 students hurling in excess of 100,000 balloons in an hour's time. Preparations for the waterfight and jacks begin at least a month in advance.
==[[1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours]]==
PetSounds, please stop changing [[1990]] to the incorrect year ([[1991]]) to ''[[1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours]]''. The album was released, copyrighted ''and'' published in [[1990]] (as printed on the CD and back cover, in-case you don't have the album). I can see why you changed it to the incorrect year but, seriously just leave it as [[1990]] because that's the correct year. I repeat, please stop changing it. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 19:53, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 
===Jacks===
:[http://www.greendayauthority.com/LV/disc.shtml] shows the release date as April 19, 1991 not July 1, 1991. I would also like to continue to point out that dates on cases are copyright dates, not release dates unless specifically said it is a release date. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] June 28, 2005 20:23 (UTC)
"Jack" is the Rice term for a prank, often an elaborate one. A simple jack might be replacing "you are here" campus map with a map of an amusement park. A well-known jack in the 1980s was "stacking" a commons, in which students went to the commons of another college late at night and stacked all the tables and chairs on top of each other, forcing the residents to disassemble the stack when they came down for meals the next day. During O-Week and Willy Week, large-scale jacks are often organized by one college toward another college. In order to prevent a destructive escalation, Rice student organizations from time to time have attempted to impose rules or guidelines on jacks.
 
The most notorious and legendary jack in Rice history was the turning of William Marsh Rice's statue in the Academic Quadrangle in April 1988. After several months of detailed planning, a group of Wiessmen succeeded in lifting the bronze statue (using a hoist mounted on an A-frame), rotating it 180 degrees, and setting it back down undamaged on its stone pedestal. <ref>[http://www.teamwiess.com/view.php?Page=history.php Wiess History] (turning Willy's statue)</ref>. The university hired a contractor to turn Willy's statue back to its original position. While the students apparatus cost only a couple of hundred dollars, the contractor used a hydraulic crane, charging several thousands of dollars, and managing to bend one of the pins in the process. The culprits were fined the cost of the job. They raised more than enough funds by selling t-shirts printed with the blue prints of the a-frame structure. This jack instantly gained national publicity for Rice. Today the turning of the statue stands out as the epitome of a successful jack: creative, elaborate, highly visible, and harmless. In later years, legends evolved that the students were protesting a planned tuition increase or that the stunt symbolized the Founder turning his back on the administration in Lovett Hall. In fact, the prank was merely that--a prank.
::The user said [[July 1]]st, [[1991]]. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] June 28, 2005 20:27 (UTC)
 
===Willy Week===
:::Neither date is in 1990. You are mistaking the copyright date for the release date. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] June 28, 2005 20:45 (UTC)
Willy Week is at term coined in the 1990s to refer to the week preceding Beer-Bike, a time of general energy and excitement on campus. Jacks are especially common during Willy Week; some examples in the past include removing showerheads and encasing the Hanszen guardian.
 
==Notable campus establishments==
::::The album says [[1990]], please see: [http://www.caratulandia.net/audio/g/c9347.jpg ]. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] June 28, 2005 20:49 (UTC)
===Coffeehouse===
[http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~coffee/ The Rice Coffeehouse] began at [[Hanszen College]], where students would serve coffee in the college's Weenie Loft, a study room in the old section's fourth floor. The coffee shop grew in popularity and expanded into the basement under Hanszen's new section so that it could more comfortably accommodate more students, where it was known as Bread and Pomegranates. Due to flooding in the basement, the Hanszen coffee shop was disbanded, but the basement kept the old name, B&P. Eventually, its absence created a demand that gave rise to current installation.
Thus, in October 1989, Hanszen senior Charlotte Robinson chaired a committee to investigate establishing a coffee house a few nights a week as an alternative to Willy's Pub. On December 3, 1990, Coffeehouse first opened in Sammy's Private Dining Room and the Ray Courtyard.<ref>''The Rice Thresher'' "Coffeehouse: 16 Years of Providing Rice with Society's Most Acceptable Drug," November 17, 2006</ref>
 
In January 1993, Coffeehouse added baked goods, expanded hours and applied for official club status. During this time, it moved to its current permanent ___location in the Rice Memorial Center. The Coffeehouse has contiued operation as a non-profit organization seeking to serve students with a social space and cheap, quality product since.
:::: link aint working and like Cburnett is saying you are mistaking copyright date with release date imo [[User:Boneyard|Boneyard]] 29 June 2005 10:30 (UTC)
 
In Coffeehouse's history there have been several planned expasions. In September 2003, the Coffeehouse paid $4,000 to architecture firm Vaughn & Clarkson to design three schemes for possible renovations and in August 2005 the Coffeehouse completed a partial redesign.<ref>''The Rice Thresher'' "Coffeehouse: 16 Years of Providing Rice with Society's Most Acceptable Drug," November 17, 2006</ref> <ref> http://the.ricethresher.org/news/2005/08/19/coffeehouseredesigned </ref>
::: The copyright date for the music on 1,039/SOSH in 1990 because the 39/Smooth vinyl LP was released that year. The actual CD, which compiled 39/Smooth, 1000 Hours EP and the Slappy EP was released in April of 1991 according to greendayauthority.com and other websites (sorry for not remembering off the top of my head.
 
The Coffeehouse is known for being entirely student run and, since November 2005, serving fair trade Katz's coffee. It also distributes free coffee before closing every night, one of the most popular times to visit. The Coffeehouse often serves as a popular hangout, as all of the workers (or Keepers of the Coffee, as they are known) are undergraduates. These student workers give it a laid back attitude. [[Rice Thresher|Thresher]] staffers can often be found there, since an advertising deal between the two institutions grants them discounted coffee. <ref>''The Rice Thresher'' "Coffeehouse: 16 Years of Providing Rice with Society's Most Acceptable Drug," November 17, 2006</ref>
== Walking Contradiction ==
 
Plans for a franchise coffee establishment to be located in the yet constructed glass Pavilion behind Fondren Library, have spurred controversy on campus, especially since the Coffeehouse was not given a chance to bid on the space. Many students are afraid that this plan could replace the beloved student-run Coffeeshop with a corporate caffeine provider, ruining the fun atmosphere the Coffeehouse creates. <ref> http://the.ricethresher.org/news/2006/11/10/diedrich_coffee_contract </ref>
Hey! Walking Contradiction is a single from "Insomniac" that doesn't figure on this list... I didn't added it yet because I need the ranks for that song. If anyone has them, please post them on the article.
Thanks, [[User:Greedyredbag|Greedy]] 2 July 2005 01:12 (UTC)
:According to [http://www.greendayauthority.com/TheBand/videos.shtml ''The Green Day Authority''] "Like ''Stuck With Me'', ''Walking Contradiction'' didn't get a single, just a video." Some promo singles were sent to radio stations and journalists but it was never on general release. This is why it does not feature on the list.&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 2 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)
 
===Valhalla===
== Currentness of the Article ==
Valhalla is a non-profit, graduate student pub located under Keck Hall, known for its eclectic clientele and cheap drinks. Valhalla is still staffed by graduate students who volunteer for a one-hour shift once per week. It was founded by Thomas Nichols in 1970, a graduate student in physical chemistry at the time. He envisioned Valhalla as a glue that would hold together the Graduate Student Association. For the first several years the chairman of the GSA would automatically be the manager of Valhalla. Architecture graduate student Vic Gelsomino helped with architectural drawings.
 
Nichols and materials science graduate student Kurt Alex coined the pub "Valhalla" when listening to Wagner's Das Rheingold, Scene II, during the pub's construction. The scene describes two giants from Norse mythology, Fasolt and Fafner, building the great hall Valhalla as a home for the gods.
May I complain? Well, this article is good and all, but it's lacking quite a bit of information on the singles. Even the newer singles have almost no information whatsoever. [[User:DrippingInk|DrippingInk]] 4 July 2005 12:43 (UTC)
 
Initially the lounge had no beer license. Graduate students kept private six-packs stored in a refrigerator. They were required to record the beers they brought in a notebook. The system had its flaws. "Sometimes sophisticated customers have been irate when their Coors has been drunk by a Budweiser drinker," it was noted in a GSA memorandum to the dean of students, requesting a beer and wine license. By the spring of 1971, Valhalla was up and running with regular evening hours.
The information about the singles is largely dispersed to individual articles about each of them.&mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 4 July 2005 14:20 (UTC)
 
Over the years, Valhalla has mostly been used by graduate students, but other adult members of the Rice community also feel at home. It's the kind of place where one can see a space physicist schmoozing with a groundskeeper. In the past Valhalla went through periods of having more "outsiders" than it wanted, but not in recent years.<ref>http://media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=4477</ref>
:I am aware of that, but the main article does not contain much information on them, like it should at least have when they were released. Winnermario July 6, 2005 23:30 (UTC)
 
In 2004, the [[Houston Press]] rated Valhalla the "Best Place to Meet Single Women," given its beer under a dollar and smart, single women. <ref>http://listings.houstonpress.com/gyrobase/BestOf/BestOfAward?Year=oid%3A28905&Section=oid%3A28911&oid=oid%3A31641</ref>
::Good point. Go for it! &mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 7 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)
 
===Willy's Pub===
== [[User:PetSounds|PetSounds]]' warning ==
Willy's Pub is Rice's undergraduate pub located in the basement of the Rice Memorial Center. It opened on April 11, 1975, with Rice President Norman Hackerman pouring the first beer. The name was chosen by students in tribute to the university's founder, [[William Marsh Rice]]. According to the Rice Thresher, 1700 people were in attendance the opening night. The Pub (as it was affectionately known) quickly became an immensely popular campus institution. In its heyday, the Pub was open Monday through Saturday during the academic year. On its opening night of each semester and on many Thursdays, the Pub would reach or exceed its official capacity, with the line of students waiting to get in extending up the stairwell to the first floor. By the early 1980s, according to legend, the Pub was the second largest consumer of draft beer in Harris County, behind only the Houston Astrodome.
PetSounds, please don't change [[1990]] to [[1991]] for ''[[1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours]]'' again, you have the wrong information. Unconvinced? Please see the source again before changing/reverting: [http://www.tuscaratulas.com/images.php?category_id=G&caratula=Green_Day@1039_Smoothed_Out_Slappy_Hours@Trasera.jpg ] and ''you'' better not change/revert it again this time. If you do it, I'm gonna be tracking you off, so don't have me do it. As I said on [[User talk:PetSounds|your talk page]]. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 16:25, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
*Mike the link doesn't work, perhaps they have disabled direct linking. No-one is denying it says 1990 on the back of the album, but that '''isn't the release date'''. [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?/!"</font>]] 9 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
:: Yes it is the release date! Are you people insane? -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 9 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)
::: Mike, please calm down and refrain from comments like "Are you people insane?" which I think you know are inappropriate. Thanks for posting the link to the image with the 1990 date. If you say it is a release date as opposed to a copyright date, please site a source saying so. Folks who say it is some other date than 1990, you are asked to please site your sources as well. Gathering evidence and evaluating it is a better way to build articles than insults, threats, and revert wars. Thanks, -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 19:32, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
::::: I'm trying to calm down, okay. But, here are more sources: [http://www.lyricallysquared.com/viewalbum/Green-Day/1,039-Smoothed-Out-Slappy-Hours ], [http://www.mp3search.ru/album.html?id=7706 ], [http://rateyourmusic.com/view_album_details/album_id_is_1332 ], [http://www.netphoria.org/B00018U8NK/1039__Smoothed_Out_Slappy_Hours.html ], [http://www.lookoutrecords.com/catalog/item.php3?sd=730245992&matrix_id=26&bnd_id=24 ], [http://www.ginza.se/index.aspx?artnr=14313 ], [http://music.yahoo.com/release/3183 ]. Also, [[User:PetSounds|PetSounds]], I hope this is the last time you changed it to the wrong year ([[1991]]) before we both violate the 3RR again. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 9 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)
::::::OK thanks Mike. From some of those sources it looks like there may be more to this, but you never posted any of them before only links to pictures of the cover. On the other hand [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004W52K/qid=1120938336/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-7152958-7907840 Amazon], [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:zx1m968o3ep2 allmusic], [http://www.geekstinkbreath.net/greenday/discography/album/1039smoothedoutslappyhours/], [http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,95522,00.html] and [http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=5087944&pr=3414653] all point to 1991. I think the best idea would be to put a dispute template on ''[[1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours]]'' and possibly make a [[WP:RFC|RFC]] to try and get some more information. [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?/!"</font>]] 20:08, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
::::::OK have done this. Please direct any further discussion to [[Talk:1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours]]. -- [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?/!"</font>]] 20:53, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 
With such tremendous popularity, the Pub ran a financial healthy surplus through the mid-1980s. Profits began to fall when Texas raised its drinking age to 21 in September 1986. The Pub eliminated weekend hours some time in the in the early 1990s. By 1994 the Pub was in serious financial trouble and in danger of closing down completely. Rice President Malcolm Gillis, a supporter of the Pub, waived or reduced some of the Pub's maintenances fees in order to keep it afloat.
 
In the early morning hours of April 6, 1995, less than a week shy of its 20th anniversary, the Pub was destroyed in a fire. The fire destroyed everything in the basement of the RMC, causing an estimated $2 million in total damage. A speedy renovation project allowed the basement to reopen in August 1995 with a new Pub. The following month, Rice Campus Police, acting on an anonymous tip, arrested a Rice student who was later convicted in Federal court in Houston in January 1996.
 
The new Willy's Pub is larger, brighter, and cleaner than the old Pub, but perhaps for those very reasons, is considered by many alumni to be lacking in character. One subtle change that coincided with the re-opening is that the professional staff of the Student Center began a concerted effort to refer to the place as "Willy's" rather than simply "the Pub." Another, less subtle change is that the Pub no longer serves beer in the afternoons, so that students who want to relax after afternoon classes are on their own.
== dropping Lookout! Albums ==
 
In 2006, Willy's Pub became the number one distributor in the State of Texas of Mickey's Fine Malt Liquer.
i read on CNN that Green Day was pulling their pre-1994 album off Lookout. --[[User:Terinjokes|Terinjokes]]
 
Run by students, for students, Willy's features lunchtime Quizno's subs and Uno's pizza. After 5 p.m., Willy's offers bottled and draft beer for those 21 and over. While Pub Nights on Thursdays promise a big fun-filled crowd, the quieter daytime hours allow patrons to relax in front of the big-screen TV, study, or make use of the ping pong, pool table or wireless Internet. Willy's also hosts weekly events like Wednesday trivia nights, Monday drum circle nights, as well as the much esteemed dance club, Club Willy, twice a semester. <ref>http://www.rice.edu/projects/lsc/WebPages/pages/buildingservices.html</ref> <ref>http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~willypub/</ref> <ref>http://www.rice.edu/projects/thresher/issues/82/950421/News/Story12.html</ref>
 
==Campus media==
I heard this too, and that the move will drastically cut Lookout!s already small staff. I will look for a link and get back to you guys on it. Apparently, Adeline records got the rights to the album back, and they can reissue them as they see fit? -- [[User:propogandhi|propogandhi]]
Rice has a weekly student-run newspaper (''[[Rice Thresher|The Rice Thresher]]''), radio station ([[KTRU-FM]]), and campus-wide television network (RTV5). All three are based out of the RMC student center.
===The ''Rice Thresher''===
''[[Rice Thresher|The Rice Thresher]]'' is published every Friday and can be found around campus and at Kahn's Deli in the Rice Village. It has a small, but dedicated, staff and is known for its dry coverage of campus news, open submission opinion page, and satirical Backpage. It has won several awards at Associated Collegiate Press conferences.
 
===KTRU===
== Neo-Nazi Accusations ==
[[KTRU-FM|KTRU]] (pronounced "kay-true") is the student-run, 50,000 watt radio station. Though most DJs are students, anyone is allowed to apply. It is known for playing genres and artists of music and sound unavailable on other radio stations in Houston, and often, the US. The station takes requests over the phone or online. In 2000 and 2006, [[KTRU-FM|KTRU]] won Houston Press' Best Radio Station in Houston. [http://www.houston-press.com/2000-09-21/best-of-houston/best-radio-station/] [http://bestof.houstonpress.com/bestof/section.php?section=oid:28912&year=2006] In 2003, Rice alum and active KTRU DJ DL's hip-hip show won Houston Press' Best Hip-hop Radio Show. [http://www.houston-press.com/2003-09-25/best-of-houston/best-hip-hop-radio-show/]
 
===RTV5===
*Totally untrue, Green Day cannot be accused of this. it has now been deleted, can we make sure it doesn't come back please. [[User:80.42.28.76|80.42.28.76]] 21:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
RTV5 is a student run television network available as channel 5 on campus. RTV5 was created initially as Rice Broadcast Television in 1997. RBT began to broadcast the following year in 1998, and aired its first live show across campus in 1999. RBT has always held their office in Mudd lab, though their live broadcasts were initially held in the Duncan Hall conference room. RBT experienced much growth and exposure over the years with successful programs like "Drinking with Phil", a weekly news show, a variety show known as "The Meg and Maggie Show", and extensive live coverage in December 2002 of the shut down of KTRU by the administration.
:I agree that it appears to be rumor and nothing more, also it's unsourced info and very POV. This should stay deleted unless it can be backed up and sourced, that is to stay that this should stay deleted since there's no way to source and back up these claims with fact. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="FF9900">Jtkiefer<font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jtkiefer|<font color=#00A86B>T</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="FF0033">@</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="0000FF">C</font>]]</small> </sup> ----- 04:38, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
 
In spring 2001, the Rice undergraduate community voted in the general elections to support RBT as a blanket tax organization, effectively providing a yearly income of $10,000 to purchase new equipment and provide the campus with a variety of new programming. In the spring of 2005, RBT members decided the station need a new image and a new name: Rice Television 5.
*Despite wether or not it is true, I would prefer that the article remain on their page, because I think it is fair to allow the reader to decide wether or not it is true. It also does not accuse them, it informs that they have been accused. I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased.
>[[User:Kerrysfrench]]
 
One of the station's most popular shows is the 24 hour show, where a camera and couch placed in the RMC stay on air for 24 hours. One is held in fall and another in spring, usually during a prospective students' weekend. The show's concept was introduced by Travis Johnson and Gavin Parks in the 2001-2002 school year.
Here's my problems with it, notable parts '''bolded'''. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="FF9900">Jtkiefer<font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jtkiefer|<font color=#00A86B>T</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="FF0033">@</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="0000FF">C</font>]]</small> </sup> ----- 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
 
RTV5 has a video on demand site at rtv5.rice.edu, where students can select what shows the network airs.<ref>http://rtv5.rice.edu/node/10</ref>
 
===The Rice Review===
:''Green Day '''has been accused of''' Neo Nazism multiple times, however '''no solid proof can be found'''. The evidence for these accusations lie in song lyrics such as Boulevard of Broken Dreams. '''It is believed''' the lyrics are actually about [[Adolf Hitler]] walking alone through the streets of a destroyed [[Polish]] city with a large [[Jewish]] population. The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message.
The Rice Review, also known as R2, is a student-run literary journal at Rice University that publishes prose, poetry, creative nonfiction, and occasionals written by undergraduate students, as well as interviews. The journal was founded in 2004 by creative writing professor and author Justin Cronin. <ref>http://r2mag.rice.edu/r2.cfm</ref>
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- The Song "When I Come Around" '''can also be interpreted as''' Hitler taunting fearful Jews to not cry, becuase he will soon arrive to kill them. In the song "Reject"(Nimrod) the lyrics contain the words,"To Hell and back to Hell again, you're not my type, your not my type(refering to Jews), I do what I want and you do what your told". "Nice Guys Finish Last" contains the lyrics "Nice guys finish last, your running out of gas", which refers to a [[Holocaust]] victim holding on to their last breath of air, while being gassed.
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- "Having a blast" is a narrative in which the author states "I won't listen to anyone's last words", reffering to Hitler's final moments.another part of the song says"There's nothind left for you to say. Soon you'll be dead anyway," '''which can be seen as''' [[Hitler]] speaking to his next victims. With these hidden song meanings, '''one can easily arrive at the conclusion''' that the band espouses Adolf Hitler, and his murderous deeds, however it is up to you to decide what is really true.''
 
===University Blue===
Published since 1983, The University Blue, also known as UBlue, is Rice's student run Literary and Arts magazine. It releases an issue every spring, containing original, creative work produced by all members of the Rice Community. This includes students as well as faculty, staff, associates and alumni. It is funded by a blanket tax of the student body.<ref>http://www.rice.edu/projects/thresher/issues/85/971003/Features/Story05.html</ref>
 
==Athletics==
:This is entirely unsourced and the sections I have bolded show that these sections are inferences and opinions which are unencyclopedic and POV, now if there was any way to back this up then this could be formatted as such to include fact, however since this is unbacked up I think that this should stay out. I am also annoyed that you appear to be in the mindset that you will do what you want even if consensus and wikipedia guidelines disagree with what you want. ''"I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased."''. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="FF9900">Jtkiefer<font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jtkiefer|<font color=#00A86B>T</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="FF0033">@</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="0000FF">C</font>]]</small> </sup> ----- 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
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Rice participates in [[National Collegiate Athletic Association|NCAA]] [[Division I]] athletics and is part of [[Conference USA]]. Rice was a member of the [[Western Athletic Conference]] before joining Conference USA on [[July 1]], [[2005]]. Rice is the second smallest school, measured by undergraduate enrollment, competing in NCAA D-IA [[American football|football]], just above the [[University of Tulsa]]'s 2,756 and far below the largest, [[Ohio State University]] with 48,955.
 
The Rice [[baseball]] team won the [[2003 College World Series]], defeating [[Stanford University|Stanford]] two games to one in the championship series, including a 14-2 rout in the final game. Because of the academic quality of the two finalists, the championship series earned nicknames such as the "RBIs and SATs Series." The victory made Rice University the smallest school in 51 years to win a national championship at the highest collegiate level of the sport. This is Rice's only national championship in a team sport. The Rice baseball team has played on campus at [[Reckling Park]] since the 2000 season and is by far the school's top athletic program. (The baseball team has won 13 consecutive conference championships in three different conferences &ndash; the final championship of the defunct [[Southwest Conference]], all 10 championships while a member of the [[Western Athletic Conference]], and two more championships in its first two years as a member of [[Conference USA]].) More recently, Rice's baseball team finished third in the 2006 College World Series and has reached Omaha again in 2007, the school's sixth appearance. Baseball all-star [[Lance Berkman]] is a Rice baseball alumnus. In 2004, Rice became the first school ever to have three players selected in the first eight picks of the [[MLB draft]] when [[Philip Humber]], [[Jeff Niemann]] and [[Wade Townsend]] were selected third, fourth, and eighth, respectively.
:I concur with [[User:Jtkiefer|Jtkiefer]]. &mdash;[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 08:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 
The on-campus football facility, [[Rice Stadium]], and was the site of [[Super Bowl VIII]] and a speech by [[John F. Kennedy]] on [[September 12]], [[1962]] in which he challenged the nation to send a man to the moon by the end of the decade. Rice Stadium opened in 1950 with a capacity of 70,000 seats. After improvements in 2006, the stadium is currently configured to seat 47,000 for football but can readily be reconfigured to its original capacity of 70,000, more than the total number of Rice alumni, living and deceased.[http://riceowls.cstv.com/facilities/rice-stadium.html]
::Me too, and I will continue to remove it unless it is backed up with sources. [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?/!"</font>]] 10:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 
In addition to football, Rice Stadium also serves as the performance venue for the university's [[Marching Owl Band]], or "MOB." Despite its name, the MOB is a [[scatter band]] which focuses on performing humorous skits and routines rather than traditional formation marching. Prior to the dissolution of the Southwest Conference, some of the most entertaining half-time shows to watch were during Rice vs. [[Texas A&M University|Texas A&M]] games, if only for the sheer contrast of the pure military precision of the [[Fightin' Texas Aggie Band|Aggie Band]] versus the irreverent wackiness of the MOB.
:::That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. I especially like the "analyses" of those songs. [[User:moondust9358]]
 
In 2006, the football team qualified for its first bowl game since 1961, ending the second-longest bowl drought in the country at the time. On December 22, 2006, Rice played in the [[New Orleans Bowl|R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl]] in New Orleans, Louisiana, against the Sun Belt Conference champion, Troy. The Owls lost 41-17. The bowl appearance came after Rice had a 14-game losing streak from 2004-05 and went 1-10 in 2005. The streak followed an internally authorized 2003 McKinsey report that stated football, alone, was responsible for a $4 million deficit in 2002. Tensions remain high between the athletic department and faculty, as a few professors who chose to voice their opinion were in favor of abandoning the football program. Hired in January 2006, new head coach Todd Graham sparked the "Rice Renaissance," the revival of the Owl football program, before he moved on to Tulsa in January of 2007 despite having signed a contract less than 72 hours before leaving. David Bailiff replaced Graham and inherits a team poised to continue the success enjoyed in 2006. Sophomore wide receiver Jarett Dillard set an NCAA record in 2006 by catching a touchdown pass in 13 consecutive games and takes a 15-game overall streak into the 2007 season.
This is such BS that Green Day is being accused of being Neo-Nazis. In Holiday they are acusing Bush of being Neo Nazi "Zeig Heil to the president gasman" No one has any proof of this. HOLIDAY IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN, IT IS ANTI-WAR!
 
Rice basketball teams won 10 conference titles in the former Southwest Conference (1918, 1935*, 1940, 1942*, 1943*, 1944*, 1945, 1949*, 1954*, 1970; * denotes shared title).
it is my opinion that you would have to be completely insane to read that much into a Green Day song. you could interpret it any way you want, if you look at it hard enough, but that doesn't mean that its true. by these standards, any song ever written could be construed as neo-nazi. i'm glad it was removed.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 19:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 
Rice has been very successful in women's sports in recent years. In 2004-05, Rice sent its women's volleyball, soccer, and basketball teams to their respective NCAA tournaments. In 2005-06, the women's soccer, basketball, and tennis teams advanced, with five individuals competing in track and field. In 2006-07, the Rice women's basketball team made the NCAA tournament, while again five Rice track and field athletes received individual NCAA berths.
'''i agree whple heartedly with Alhuttuch. anything can be considered "neonazi" if you did deep enouth. the nightmare befor christmass can be contorted because jack wears a suite that looks like a ss uniform. '''OH GOD!!!!!!!!''' come on now are the history students who quote nazis ne themselvs? what about the anarchist movemant of the 80's? are they nazis? '''come on!!! you arre a nazi!!''' they are expressing themselvs which are protected by the 1st addment! JEW!am i one ? no!!furbyco07
 
In addition to Rice Stadium and Reckling Park, on-campus facilities include [[Autry Court]] (basketball, volleyball); the [[Rice Track/Soccer Stadium]] (track and field, soccer) and the [[Jake Hess Tennis Stadium]] (tennis).
 
Rice's mascot is Sammy the Owl. In previous decades, the university kept several live owls on campus in front of [[Lovett College]], but this policy has been discontinued.
Firstly, I would like to appologize for User "Kerrysfrench" for his lack of sources.
 
Rice also has a 12-member coed cheerleading squad and an all-female dance team, both of which perform at football and basketball games throughout the year. The cheerleading website is http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~cheer
Evidence from Rolling Stones' magazine the 2004 issue had shown evidence that the following accusations of Green Day are true. When Green Day appeared live on TRL they denied these accusations; however, when interviewing "Tre Cool" he addmitted to most of the accussations along with addmitting he in fact was a Neo Nazi. June 2004. Rolling Stone Magazine. Article 24. Page 9.
 
==Joint programs==
The Song "When I Come Around" is interpreted as Hitler taunting fearful Jews to not cry, becuase he will soon arrive to kill them. In the song "Reject"(Nimrod) the lyrics contain the words,"To Hell and back to Hell again, you're not my type, your not my type(refering to Jews), I do what I want and you do what your told". "Nice Guys Finish Last" contains the lyrics "Nice guys finish last, your running out of gas", which refers to a Holocaust victim holding on to their last breath of air, while being gassed. - - "Having a blast" is a narrative in which the author states "I won't listen to anyone's last words", reffering to Hitler's final moments.another part of the song says "There's nothind left for you to say. Soon you'll be dead anyway," which can be seen as Hitler speaking to his next victims. With these hidden song meanings, one can easily arrive at the conclusion that the band espouses Adolf Hitler, and his murderous deeds.
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The university and [[Houston Independent School District]] jointly established [[The Rice School]] (La Escuela Rice), a [[kindergarten]] through 8th grade public magnet school in Houston. [http://es.houstonisd.org/rice/j_history_of_trs.html] The school opened in August 1994.
 
==Trivia==
It makes more sense when you accuse a band like KMFDM, Psyclon Nine and Rammstein of being neo-Nazis. Even Marilyn Manson. The idea that such baseless accusations can be made against Green Day is just down right ignorant. It could be someone reading too much into a song, or it could be someone wanting to make an accusation out of boredom. I'm sure of it that if there people who have the time on their hands to order off infomercials, someone has the time to come up with these things. Any song can be anti- anything if you try hard enough. Neil Diamond's "America" could actually be anti-immigrant for all we know. Hidden context and meanings in songs about bad relationships? More blatant disregard for any fact. It's just idiotic, man. Seriously.--[[User:MassProducedGod|MassProducedGod]] 04:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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*In 1915, Rice University hired [[William James Sidis]] as a teaching assistant in mathematics. He was 17 years old at the time. The [[November 1]], [[1916]] issue of the [[Rice Thresher]] cited a story from the Philadelphia Record in which Sidis, having left Rice, was quoted as stating that he did not like the women at Rice: "They flirt too much. It was very annoying. But I am happy to say that article 32 of my constitution, which prohibits kissing or familiarity with girls, is still unblemished."
 
* In 1962 a Rice Alum John Cox '27 gave [[Yankee Stadium]] to Rice University. In 1971 the city of New York forced (via [[eminent ___domain]]) Rice to sell the stadium for a mere $2.5 million. During the period in which Rice owned the stadium, the stadium was painted blue and white.<ref name="multiple"/>
Actually the idea seams pretty possible to me... I doubt it's true, but it's possible I think. Perhaps we should create a special page for it? I'm thinking "Green Day Neo-Nazi Accusations" perhaps. I think people who dislike it need to take an unbias look at the article, becuase I have a feeling the people who dislike it are probably die-hard Green Day friends. So keeping an open mind, I think it deserves its own page where its flaws and possible truths can be observed. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:70.161.247.202|70.161.247.202]] ([[User talk:70.161.247.202|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/70.161.247.202|contribs]]) January 23, 2006.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
:Please see [[WP:OR]].[[User:Jtrost|Jtrost]] 23:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
* Sammy The Owl got his name from a code phrase (“Sammy is fairly well and would like to see family at eleven o’clock”) used by a private investigator who was sent to retrieve the mascot after it was stolen by Texas A&M students.<ref name="multiple">Sallyport Online http://www.rice.edu/sallyport/2006/winter/features/Fact_Fiction2.html</ref>
After reading this I was seriously amazed. It makes a lot of sense, and I think we have a good theory. But you guys are right it does seam more like blog material than encyclopedia material, so it should stay off.
 
== Points of interest ==
* [[Lynn R. Lowrey Arboretum]]
 
==References==
There is now way in the world they're Nazis. Why? Because Billie is Bisexual, That's why. [[User:New!!!!!oneone|New!!!!!oneone]] 05:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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==See also==
* [[Connexions]] - an open-content library of course materials developed by Rice University
* [[List of Rice University people]] - a list of famous alumni and others associated with Rice University
* [[Shepherd School of Music]] - the prestigious and highly-ranked school of music at Rice University.
 
==External links==
"The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message." I guess that makes the whole punk rock genre Neo-Nazi. You know, the whole anti-establishment genre. I guess that means that anyone who's upset about the current state of America must be Neo-Nazi too, anyone who would like to see Presdient Bush out of office. I guess that makes me Neo-Nazi as well.</sarcasm>--[[User:67.160.73.69|67.160.73.69]] 06:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
* [http://www.rice.edu Rice University]
* [http://www.riceowls.com Official Rice athletics site]
* [http://mob.rice.edu MOB (Marching Owl Band) Official site]
* [http://www.ricethresher.org Rice Thresher (student newspaper)]
* [http://beerbike.rice.edu Beer-Bike]
* [http://www.princeton.edu/~adam/R1/r1rpt.html History of The Rice University Computer, aka the R1]
* [http://cben.rice.edu/ Center for Biological and Environmental Nanotechnology]
* [http://cnst.rice.edu/ Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology]
* [http://www.ktru.org KTRU Rice Radio]
* [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~valhalla/ Valhalla]
* [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~willypub/ Willy's Pub]
* [http://alliance.rice.edu Rice Alliance for Technology and Entrepreneurship]
* [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~cses/activities.html Rice On-Campus Environmental Organizations]
* [http://www.cusa-fans.com/conference-usa-boards/rice-sports-board.html Rice Owls Sports Message Boards]
* [http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/cusa/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=29 'The Parliament' Rice Sports Forum]
* [http://sa.rice.edu Student Association]
 
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These guys are NOT and have NEVER been Neo-nazis, racists, or Hitler sympathisers. Many of their Berkeley friends were anti-racist activists, and they were active in the(actively anti-Nazi) Gilman St. scene.
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Um, if they were neo nazis why would they release an anti right wing album?
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You know who else is a Nazi? Madonna. "Holiday" is obviously a reference to Kristallnacht. "Borderline" is what Hitler liked crossing. "American Pie" refers to the Axis powers and their plan to divide America like a pie. And of course Hitler didn't want anyone to "Live to Tell" what was going on in the death camps. Yep, that proves she's a Nazi all right...even if she's now a Jew. [[User:DJac75|St. Jimmy]] 05:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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:Yep. Good point. Now everything fits correctly in my head.--[[User:Zingazin|Zingazin]] 17:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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== American Idol vs. American Idiot ==
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Hi there. Firstly, I would like to thank-you all for your contributions. At present though I just want to clear up some misunderstanding. For those obviously-not-so-die-hard fans of [[Green Day]] please be advised that '''[[American Idiot]]''' is the name of their current album, whereas [[American Idol]] is, of course, the popular reality show. With that said, I'm not sure what some editors mean by "American Idol" sessions. I think at should have read "American Idiot" sessions, but whoever keeps changing this to "American Idol", please participate in this discussion with some citation. And happy Monday. ;) 18:52 August 29, 2005 drdr1989
:[[Happy Mondays]] to you too :) [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?/!"</font>]] 21:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
::Given the recent vandalism that happened to this entry in the wake of their VMA victory, I think the Idiot/Idol switch was part of that vandalism. [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 05:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
:[[AOL]], released, the day before American Idiot was released, "Sessions@AOL" with Green Day. They played a few songs including "Jesus of Suburbia, " "Boulevard of Broken Dreams," and "American Idiot."
== Recent link removed - Drumscore ==
 
Was about to put it back on. Will do so if owner can explain how to make the download links work without having a "corrupted file" icon appear with each link. [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 17:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 
I guess it was just put back on. Rather than nitpick and remove it (hint, hint to someone) I'll just kindly direct them hopefully to this page. ;=) [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 17:11, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==Rise in popularity?==
 
I'd like to know where this header came from in the article: '''Rise in popularity'''. This seems to be placed after the release of ''Dookie'', and judging by this article, ''Insomniac'' and its follow-ups to ''Warning:'' were not as successful as the debut major label album. So how does this title fit with the article? If anything, the group had a "dip in popularity". [[User:Winnermario|Winnermario]] 18:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Yellow submarine? ==
 
"Future Plans
 
According to NME Shooting of an American Idiot: The Motion Picture movie is planned to start in 2006. In an interview with Billboard, Armstrong revealed that the group are still considering turning the punk rock opera into a film, in much the same spirit as the Beatles' "Yellow Submarine." Green Day are debating whether, after the end of their Stateside jaunt, they will play stadium shows in Australia and South America."
 
Is there any real reason that "Yellow Submarine"'s being listed here? It's a song which was turned into a film because they were contracted for another film. Surely The Wall/Tommy/Quadrophenia would be better examples, since they were albums describing a narrative of sorts which was turned into a film because the band wanted it, rather than being forced into it, which is more analogous to the situation.
:Whether or not either film was a contractual obligation doesn't enter into it as far as comparisons of how they want the finished product to be. I see your point about the Wall/Tommy/Quad comparison though... I hope it's not anything like Tommy though - the soundtrack was great but the movie sucked. [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 15:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 
== Emo? ==
 
Moved to [[/Genre disputes#Emo?]]. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 13:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== Should we lock this article? ==
Considering that this article is vandalized almost daily by people looking to label the band as anti-American (amongst other ephitets), might I propose locking this article for the time being, similar to what had to be done with the [[Bob Dylan]] article? Seeing what has been done to the article every day, much of it not real updates, has been rather disgusting. [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 00:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think it's necessary, the vandalism isn't often or significant enough to cause huge probles and vandals can easily be reverted so locking this article would probably do more harm than good. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="FF9900">Jtkiefer</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Jtkiefer|<font color=#00A86B>T</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="FF0033">@</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="0000FF">C</font>]]</sup> </small> ----- 01:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
:Agreed. Compared to, say, articles concerning the Middle East, or major American political candidates, this is a walk in the reasonable-discourse park! - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] 01:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know why this article is constantly vandalized, but it is, and it should be locked for a while. I remember last year, someone completely filled Tré Cool's article with misinformation about how he got his name.
 
== Heart Like A Hand Grenade ==
 
"''...and Green Day's DVD Documentary "Heart Like A Hand Grenade", has spoken of various projects recorded at Studio 880...''"
 
Has anyone actually seen this documentary? Maybe I'm missing something here, but there's almost no reference to it on the internet, other than cloned versions of this article. Amazon has never heard of it either. Does anyone have any solid references to back this up?...Or even back up that there '''was''' a Green Day DVD, because - other than 'bullet in a bible' - this is the first I've ever heard of anything like it. --[[User:Joewithajay|Joewithajay]] 19:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 
 
:Only parts of this documentary have been made public at this point. Reprise Records released a half-hour cut to Fuse and MTV earlier this year. The documentary was filmed over the entire album-recording process by John Roecker and is still in the editing phase. I was told this summer by a producer close to the band that it had been cut down to a 3-hour version at that point. --[[User:AHSports|AHSports]] 15:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 
 
meow ;]
 
==Concert Info==
 
I feel dumb for asking this on this article, but how does someone get a hold of the Green Day manager, I would love to fund a concert in my hometown, but I don't know a thing about setting up concerts and whatnot. This is totally hypothetical because I don not have the money for it, unforetunatly :(
:You should email them through their website. Please don't ask for these kinds of things on Wikipedia. --[[User:Mac Davis|Mac Davis]] 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 
And what happens at Green Day concerts, I've never been to one?
::Well essentially, they sing, play drums, and guitars in an almost-rhythmic fashion, while the die-hard fans and teeny boppers alike mosh to the music. --[[User:SCC|SCC]] 11:10, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 
Ive been to their concerts and they have a long row of flamethrowers that shoot 15 foot flames out of the stage, they have pretty damn loud explosions, and an unbelievable fireworks show at the end. If there are any elderly people who live in the neighborhood of the designated concert area, then you should buy them hotel tickets for a nice quiet spot, invite them to the concert or buy them headphones.
This comment was added by COOL GUY
 
:On Green Day Authority they have concert reviews, which you might want to check out. [[User:Starla Dear|Starla Dear]] 17:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== Jason White ==
I figured that since [[Jason White (guitarist)|Jason White]] has his own article, his larger biographical info was probably more appropriate there. I decided to ''be bold'' and move it. -[[User:Scoops|<em><font color="#0844D0">Le Scoopertemp</font></em>]] <font color="#000000" size="1">[</font>[[User_talk:Scoops|<font size="1" color="#0844D0">tk</font>]]<font color="#000000" size="1">]</font> 02:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:Good stuff! [[User:MarkGallagher|fuddlemark]] ([[User talk:MarkGallagher|fuddle me!]]) 13:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 
excuse me i think that green day is the worlds best band and thir concerts are simply amazing and if you dont like greenday u got problems! i've loved them for 11 yrs thats a long time.
 
 
 
FFUUCCKK YYOOUU AALL!!
 
== statement removal ==
 
''Many long-time Green Day fans felt uncomfortable and even threatened when ''American Idiot'' was released. The music was much more accessible, and was occasionally mistaken by less-cultured music fans (who had previously been oblivious to Green Day's work) for the "boybands with guitars" style of [[Busted]] and [[McFly]]. This was viewed as particularly insulting, as some would argue that such boybands exploit the very things that made Green Day popular, mimicking them in a contrived and insincere way.''
 
I removed that statement since it was entirely unsupported and fairly opinionated. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="red">Jtkiefer</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jtkiefer|<font color="orange">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="green">C</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="blue">@</font>]]</sup></small> ---- 18:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 
Good. That statement has been very annoying since the time it went up. It was quite a POV statement.
[[User:Newguineafan|Newguineafan]] 16:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:I just removed a statement also. I had asked that it be cited a while back, in one of my 50 other comments, but with the recent merger of the comments, I'm too lazy to look it up. It should be in the Punk dispute thing, unless someone deleted it. The statement I removed was "About two months later, they played a [[high school]] party with the Lookouts in a remote mountain ___location near [[Willits, California]], where Tré and Kain Kong of the Lookouts lived and attended school. Only five kids showed up for the party but they left after the first song, and there was no electricity in the house and the toilet didn't work, so Sweet Children had to play using a generator and candlelight. But they played, as Lookouts singer/guitarist [[Larry Livermore]] put it, "as if they were [[The Beatles]] at [[Shea Stadium]]."" There are also several other biased and uncited statements in the "Lookouts: the beginning (1988-1992)" section, and unless more of them are cited, I will delete them in the next week or so. [[Merry Christmas]] GD fans! [[User:Gold Stur|Gold Stur]] 19:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 
== green day hoax ==
 
I have removed the entire green day hoax statement since it is entirely unsourced. It should only be re-added if a proper source can be found for it. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="red">Jtkiefer</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jtkiefer|<font color="orange">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="green">C</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="blue">@</font>]]</sup></small> ---- 06:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 
 
''In [[1997]], it was announced on the official Green Day fan site [http://www.greenday.com www.greenday.com] that 2 previously unreleased Green Day songs had been "found" and added to the site. They were supposed to be old recordings from years before. The songs "Listen Son", and "I Had a Dream", the latter being more or less a cover of "Worry Rock", even got aired on radio. No one seemed to suspect anything until Billie Joe's wife, Adrienne, contacted the site owner, Jason, telling him the songs were fake and should immediately be withdrawn from the site. This caused some embarrasment for the owner of the site since he had failed to check his sources. The 2 songs had been sent in by Daniel Soxic, who was 18 years old at the time of the hoax.''
 
Well done, the artist Daniel Soxic has nothing to do with this. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:Ravenx|Ravenx]] ([[User talk:Ravenx|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Ravenx|contribs]]) 01:09, November 28, 2005.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
 
 
The Hoax should be reinstated, source, www.greenday.net
 
== Criticism ==
 
Moved to [[/Genre disputes#Criticism]]. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 13:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== non fairuse images ==
 
I have removed [[:Image:Greendayold.jpg]] and [[:Image:GreenDayTracks.jpg]] since they have no fairuse rational, they should be re-added though if a good rational can be found. <small>[[User:Jtkiefer|<font color="red">Jtkiefer</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jtkiefer|<font color="orange">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jtkiefer|<font color="green">C</font>]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Jtkiefer|<font color="blue">@</font>]]</sup></small> ---- 00:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 
== External links ==
 
The following were moved here from the main page. If any of these have a compelling argument relevent to [[Wikipedia:External links]], here's the place to put it. - [[User:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="#2f4f4f">brenneman</font>]][[User Talk:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="#2f4f4f"><sup>(t)</sup></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Aaron Brenneman|<font color="#2f4f4f"><sup>(c)</sup></font>]] 03:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
*[http://greendayconcerts.com/ Concert Information]<<OFFICIAL SITE moved back [[User:Lharvill|Lharvill]]
*[http://www.bandnews.org/Green%20Day Bandnews: Green Day]<<DIRECTORIES [[User:Lharvill|Lharvill]]>>
 
FANSITES:
*[http://www.thenimrods.com/ TheNimrods.com]
*[http://www.geekstinkbreath.net/ Geek Stink Breath community]
*[http://www.soundtrackinfo.com/search.asp?q=Green+Day&pos=2 Green Day @ the SoundtrackINFO project] (Green Day songs on soundtracks)
*[http://www.green-day-lyrics.net/ Green Day Lyrics] Searchable index of all the songs
*[http://www.greendayauthority.com/ Green Day Authority]
*[http://www.greenday.net/ GreenDay.net]
*[http://greenday.smigit.com/ Warning: A Green Day Site]
*[http://www.anotherbrokenhome.com/ Another Broken Home]
*[http://www.lyricsdir.com/green-day-lyrics.html Green Day Lyrics]
*[http://s7.invisionfree.com/Green_Generation/ Green Generation]
*[http://www.green-day-fan.com/ Green Day Fan]
*[http://www.lyricinterpretations.com/lookat.php/bands/greenday Green Day Lyric Interpretations] Discussion of the meanings behind their songs.
*[http://www.greendayparadise.net Green Day Paradise]
*[http://greenday.bersus.ws/forums.html] Green Day 2K green day forums 100% in spanish
 
MISC LINKS:
*[http://www.greendayladies.piczo.com Green Day Ladies]
*[http://www.trecoolsdominatedloveslave.piczo.com Tré Cools Dominated Love Slave]
*[http://www.nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=293&totalRows_Recordset2=302 "Nothing Nice To Say" cartoon about Green Day's pullout from Lookout! Records]
 
:I put the "Nothing Nice To Say" cartoon link about Green Day's pullout on the wiki as I felt that it would be relevant to the article. I still feel that way, for the record. Perhaps it could be linked as a reference to the paragraph about their pullout when the article is unlocked? -- [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 03:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 
== Protected the page ==
 
I've protected the page because of the multiple reverts on genre classification. Please reach a consensus / compromise on this talk page rather than continuing this. —[[User:Morven|Matthew Brown]] ([[User talk:Morven|T]]:[[Special:Contributions/Morven|C]]) 03:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 
How long do I have to be a user before I can edit this page again. (I just became 1 today) --[[User:ChildOfMorella|ChildOfMorella]] 17:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 
:They're Pop punk. Those who say they're Punk rock don't know what Punk rock is. ([[Punk rock|read this]])
::They started as a punk rock band, probably before the expression pop punk was created. So I believe they could be considered both a pop punk and punk rock band. Or do you think Kerplunk is pop punk? [[User:FTota|FTota]] 13:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Meaning of Good Riddance==
 
The article states, "It was also the top wedding song for that year, ironically, seeing as how the song was written as a bitter kiss-off to the other party after a nasty breakup."
 
The popular interpretation is it is about suicide, maybe add that into the sentance to change
 
"It was also the top wedding song for that year, ironically, seeing as how the song was written as a bitter kiss-off to the other party after a nasty breakup. Another morbid interpretation of the song believes it deals with suicide."
:I've heard several times [[Billie Joe Armstrong]] say that as with [[Wake Me Up When September Ends]], the song is kind of mourning his father's death. --[[User:Mac Davis|Mac Davis]] 08:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 
CORRECTION! Good Riddance is about the struggle between Green Day and their Supporters. They couldnt return to their hometown in California due to the fact that many punk fans saw Green Day as sell-outs and hated them for "soaking up the spotlight". They couldnt return to their homes because the poparazzi and anti-Greenday people knew where they lived. It describes secluding yourself from the underground punk scene. Green Day doesnt care about the opinions of people who think that they are sell-outs. To be successful you need to worry less about satisfying the same crowd over and over, and you need to satisfy whoever is necessary to be successful and sometimes that involves changing the style of your music to gain interest from everyone. -Cool Guy
 
Not sure if this helps but in the VH1 "Driven: Green Day" Rob Callavo has stated that "the song is actaully a big 'f*ck you'" --[[User:Thewonderwaffle|Thewonderwaffle]] 18:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== Radio Daze ==
 
Why dosen't anyone mention Radio Daze in the ALbum section? Radio Daze was originaly a live radio show Green Day did in New Jersey, which was recorded and sold without the bands permission. Even if it was created illegally, it still should be entered into the article, because it has many live versions of songs and a previously never mentioned song, "C Yo Yus", which was a cover.
 
Dude
 
 
==Unprotecting==
This article has been protected from editing for ten days over a petty dispute about whether the group is punk or pop punk. If there is no substantial agreement on either then I suggest that it would be wrong to state either. Without much personal familiarity with their music beyond the obvious, I'd hazard a guess that like most good music acts they tend to transcend any genre labels people might care to put on them. So I'm unprotecting and if I catch any further warring over these labels I'll be inclined to get medieval on the perpetrators. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 15:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for the "warning", but this is exactly why there was a compromise for two genres reached after much discussion as you can see. [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 19:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:Seems people are vandalizing the page again, maybe it should be protected again? --[[User:Predatorfreak|predatorfreak]] 21:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't think the vandalization will stop until Green Day are irrelevant, which won't be any time soon. We'll just have to keep an eye on this page and revert everything. *sigh* -- [[User:Simpatico|Simpatico]] 06:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
:My goodness, surely if it's going to cause such pathetic problems then it's not worth mentioning at all.[[User:Missi318|Liss]] 16:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Quotations vs Italics ==
 
Albums titles are italicized while song titles have quotation marks. There are problems with this throughout the article (sometimes they are correct, sometimes not). -- [[User:Simpatico|Simpatico]] 10:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 
== Steve Diggle incident ==
 
Where would be a good place to mention this [http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/green%20day%20fail%20to%20impress%20punk%20icon] ?
*Too trivial to mention, IMO. Also, Diggle sounds like an ass - if he has no idea who they are how can he have any opinion about them? Shallow... -- [[User:Simpatico|Simpatico]] 06:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
:* I'm assuming they had a conversation, whatever happened during it I don't know but I assume it was long enough for Diggle to obtain an opinion [[User:Johhny-turbo|Johhny-turbo]] 08:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 
== Green Day being accused of being neo Nazis ==
 
These are about the most exaggerated, tenuous interpretations of Green days music. And the person who wants these to be in the main article obviously shows their true agenda when they say ‘The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message’. Stop trying to colour a an entry on a factual encyclopedia with your own agenda that is so obviously to taint Green day’s reputation just because they have made an album which demonstrates against the neoconservative agenda of war and unilateralism and the media which unquestiongly supports these policies.
:i don't know if you've read it yet, but this issue has previously been discussed on this talk page. scroll up to see it.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 21:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I acknowledge that the members of green day are not neo nazis, however it is clear, and i am sure that they would tell you this themselves, that they are anti-Americans. And you are utterly mistaken with your statement about the media. Fox News is the only conservative TV media network that I am aware of. Have you looked at PBS or CNN?
---Wikikrieg---
 
Green Day have openly stated that they are not "anti-american", civil discourse, and
challenging government is as American as apple pie.
 
 
Like mentioned up above on this page, the album american idiot is not meant to be taken 100% literally. There are terms and statements that are contradictory and people need to understand that not all music has a subliminal message. Greenday has been accused of being sell-outs but what are you supposed to do when people lose interest in your music? you try new things. they arent neo-nazis. -Cool Guy
 
== Semi-protection ==
 
I'm putting up semi-protection on this article. It is such a target for unregistered vandals that as far as I am concerned, it is the only way that most admins' and contributors' energies to be devoted to writing and expanding the Wiki, rather than cleaning up after the random shitting of anonymous wild animals.
 
No, I'm not an admin (yet), but as long as I have the ability to type the sprotect template and be bold, I'm going to look out for the encyclopedia. [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 17:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:Putting the sprotect template on the article does not semi-protect the article. It makes people think the article is semi-protected, but it doesn't actually do anything.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 17:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::Then I highly suggest that a momement, petition, or whatever other protocol is greatly in order to prevent any and all unregistered participants from altering the Wikipedia, because I'm tired ot seeing every other edit to many of these articles be a reversion of some juvenile asshole's vandalism. [[User:Cjmarsicano|Cjmarsicano]] 18:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::the article is now semi-protected.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 18:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::I would be happy to semi-protect the article for a while if that is the necessary course of action. Please do not try to do this on your own, however, since you are not an administrator. Thanks,--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 18:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 
Wow. It's amazing how many things are locked down for vandalism. --[[User:DanielCD|DanielCD]] 20:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 
Is this article seriously worth semi-protection? Wouldn't it make more sense just to block the vandals? I note quite a bit of vandalism in the history, but it doesn't seem near the amount done on articles such as [[George W. Bush]]. --[[User:Cymsdale|Cymsdale]] 08:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 
==CHARTS==
 
Here is a list of all of Green Day's '''UK''' hit singles if anyone would ike to edit them up:
 
Position Artist Title Date Details
 
20 Green Day Welcome To Paradise Oct 1994
 
7 Green Day Basket Case (re-issue) Jan 1995 Notes
 
30 Green Day Longview Mar 1995
 
27 Green Day When I Come Around May 1995
 
16 Green Day Geek Stink Breath Oct 1995
 
24 Green Day Stuck With Me Jan 1996
 
28 Green Day Brain Stew / Jaded Jul 1996
 
25 Green Day Hitchin' A Ride Oct 1997
 
11 Green Day Time Of Your Life (Good Riddance) Jan 1998
 
27 Green Day Redundant May 1998
 
18 Green Day Minority Sep 2000
 
27 Green Day Warning Dec 2000
 
34 Green Day Waiting Nov 2001
 
3 Green Day American Idiot Sep 2004
 
5 Green Day Boulevard Of Broken Dreams Dec 2004
 
11 Green Day Holiday Mar 2005
 
8 Green Day Wake Me Up When September Ends Jun 2005
 
17 Green Day Jesus Of Suburbia Nov 2005
 
 
Heres the ones for '''Sweeden''' too:
 
Artist Title Entry Peak
Green Day Basket Case 1994-11-11, 3
 
Green Day When I Come Around 1995-07-14, 28
 
Green Day Geek Stink Breath 1995-10-06, 28
 
Green Day American Idiot 2004-09-24, 18
Green Day Boulevard Of Broken Dreams 2005-01-20, 2
Green Day Holiday 2005-04-28, 25
Green Day Wake Me Up When September Ends 2005-08-18, 21
 
 
 
 
 
==New Label ==
 
Green day is no longer with Reprise records. They are on Warner Bro. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:216.160.171.111|216.160.171.111]] ([[User talk:216.160.171.111|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/216.160.171.111|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
 
Reprise and Warner bro. are the same. --[[User:Dwnsjane|Dwnsjane]] 01:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 
:Seriously. Look at Bullet in a Bible, released as recently as November. It still says Reprise Records because they are signed with Reprise, a part of Warner Bros. Records. Remove from the main article, or I'll do it if I'm not lazy. --[[User:Guess Who|Guess Who]] 00:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 
== Green day punk rock? ha! ==
 
Moved to [[/Genre disputes#Green day punk rock? ha!]]. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 13:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== There is an huge miss-understanding here ==
 
Well, I am well aware of the debate above yet I DON'T CARE because nobody looks at him anyway so don't refer me to it.
 
I think it is clear that MANY MANY people disagree with the Punk Rock classification! Look at all these discussions, look at the history page! I'm sure that It's not just because people hate Green Day (which I may admit are on to something). People who DO listen to Punk Rock are ANGRY because GREEN DAY ARE NOT PUNK ROCK. Everybody who DO listened to punk rock HATES GREENDAY. look at the history page, all these "Green Day are not punk they are stinky pop" edits! Maybe they're childish but they're right! The only people who do think they are Punk Rock are GREENDAY'S FANS. Nobody else thinks so. And why you ask? because Green Day has a pose of "reely kool and harkorr" heavy-rock-punk band. Well newsflash, Greem Day is Punk Pop and nothing besides it. I fukkin don't care what you're "consensus" is. Wikipedia should show the truth, and the discussion above is just some stupid fans arguing about something they don't know anything about. I will now edit the article in 4 days from now so if you have anything to say before, say now. [[User:Userbox from hell|Userbox from hell]] 21:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC) (a proud punk fan!)
:Look at this great sentence i found at the Hardcore Punk article: other Pop punk bands that had a poppier sound, such as Green Day and blink-182, were often accused of being "sellouts" or "posers." {{unsigned|Userbox from hell}}
 
:I'm saying now. People have argued and argued about this, and frankly I feel that the compromise we've got now is the best we're going to get. Don't mess with it or the whole genre thing will go back into edit wars. Also: [[WP:NPA|refrain from personal attacks]] and respect the community. Calling people "stupid" and outright saying that you don't give a damn about a compromise that people have worked hard to create is not going to make you any friends, and it's going to make people less likely to listen to you, regardless of whether your arguments are good or not. [[User:Hbackman|Hbackman]] 22:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
::OK. But I still think that someone who thinks Green Day is punk rock don't know what punk rock is and that's not the kind of editors that wikipedia needs. Maybe they do have few "punky" songs but that's like metallica has a few nu-metal (rap-metal) songs but you don't see it on their article do you. [[User:Userbox from hell|Userbox from hell]] 22:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 
I've made a new account beacuse I was blocked for bad username so don't confuse. [[User:Userbox from heaven|Userbox from heaven]] 22:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
:Just wanted to note that his second account was also blocked by an admin for a username violation. <small>[[User:Pegasus1138|Pegasus1138]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Pegasus1138|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Pegasus1138|Contribs]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Pegasus1138|Email]]</sup> ---- 05:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 
good--[[User:ChildOfMorella|ChildOfMorella]] 17:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 
Hey, about that, look what [[Sellout#Punk]] has to say:
 
In the early 90's Green Day was signed with an independent punk record company called Lookout! Records, but in 1994 they signed with Reprise Records and released Dookie. The album drew scorn from the band's earliest fans. More recently and more commonly, Green Day was accused of selling out with American Idiot, since songs like Holiday, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, and Wake Me Up When September Ends are believed to be too pop-oriented, and receive airplay on top 40 radio stations, in spite of the fact that '''Green Day are not considered "punk" at all by most Punk rock fans'''. Some of these artists have defended these actions as a necessary evil in order to achieve widespread distribution of their records and messages, and argue that selling out only occurs when the artist compromises the music in order to appeal to the broadest mainstream audience.
 
[[User:Psychomelodic|Psychomelodic]] 18:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:: Green Day has been prey to "sellout" retaliation from diehard punk-rock fans ever since 1994. This situation replicates every other one when a one-time struggling group may add some commerialism and go "pop", much to the dismay of "anti-pop" fans, who will erroneously nudge them out their original genre. Nonetheless, the commerialism factor was the exact reason why at one time I personally defended the pop punk category by itself. Look at the commerialism of some of their songs? BUT, this was before I got this confused with true "pop-punk" artists like [[Simple Plan]] which clearly are an element of their own and in no way should undermine Green Day's efforts at putting out punk-rock tunes right up through their latest. Just have a listen to true pop-punk artists' music and Green Days' and you'll understand why both classifications need to be kept in. [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 06:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 
Argh, why are genres so important to people? As long as the music is good, who cares what the classification is? [[User:Halliwell3|Halliwell3]] 21:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Yyyyyyeah. Maybe we should change the genre to just "good"? (No, don't change it!!) [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 01:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Someone obviously cares... check out who's been removing other people's comments on the quiet.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGreen_Day&diff=41426278&oldid=41386533] Fight censorship! '''[[Special:Contributions/Newsmare|<font color="red">◄</font>]][[User talk:Newsmare|<font color="red">ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ</font>]][[User_talk:Newsmare|<font color="red">►</font>]]''' 03:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Talking about quiet, I think they may have been removed accidentally, let me fix.... [[User:Drdr1989|Drdr1989]] 03:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 
 
== Next album section ==
I really think that people should know what is going on with the band and how they are fairing in the studio, recording the new album. Thus I plead to have this section in the article as many bands has it. I don't think it's so much and such stupid explanations that Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball are stupid for me. I just want to have a smooth "new-album" section where people will be able to know what is going on with the new album. We are not talking about things of speculative nature. Yesterday, I only put up things which bandmembers said and which were said according to their website, so I really think that they were removed harshly and unjustly. Thus I plead for the reinstatement of this section and I really think that there should be one, where information will be put, when new facts have emerged about the new album.
:Thanks for your attention. [[User:Painbearer|Painbearer]] 09:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
:If you are able to find some [[WP:V|verifiable]] sources about the next album and properly [[WP:CITE|cite]] them, then there should be no problem with this section. However, the Cigarettes and Valentines article is littered with [[WP:NPOV|point of view]], [[WP:OR|original research]], and does not cite a single source. It's a very bad article and should not be linked to until it is cleaned up. [[User:Jtrost|Jtrost]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Jtrost|T]]</sup> | <small>[[Special:Contributions/Jtrost|C]]</small> | <sub><span class="plainlinks">[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=enwiki_p&user=Jtrost #]</span></sub>) 12:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
::I think [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball]] applies here since it undoubtedly is going to be speculative. The only exception to this I can see would be if a verified interview or something discussed their future plans and even then I doubt that would be enough for it's own section. <small>[[User:Pegasus1138|Pegasus1138]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Pegasus1138|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Pegasus1138|Contribs]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Pegasus1138|Email]]</sup> ---- 00:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== That 'famous' website criticizing Green Day ==
 
I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Green_Day&diff=41969040&oldid=41965209 removed] the link to [http://www.geocities.com/gdaysucks/GreenDaySucks.html this site], it can hardly qualify as criticism when its arguments read:
 
<blockquote>10. They suck.<br>
9. They suck ass.<br>
8. They suck smelly ass.<br>
7. They suck smelly, crusty ass.<br>
6. They suck smelly, crusty ass with bits of corn in it.<br>
5. It might be more fun to eat your own intestines than listen to them.<br>
4. They claim the music they play is punk rock, but it is really better described as a lot of crap.<br>
3. Your mom likes them, because she likes bands that suck.<br>
2. Your granpa is in the band. He is their fluffer.<br><br>
 
And the #1 reason to HATE Green Day<br>
1. They exist, therefore they should be hated.</blockquote>
 
The only thing it would be famous for, would be the horrible design (which most of the [[Geocities]] websites are notorious for, anyway). So what I'm suggesting is that if it's so essential to fling dirt at Green Day, write a little section of well-flowing prose, I'm sure it will be received much better.
 
And what's a 'fluffer', anyway...? --<font color="#FF0000">[[User:Obli|O]]</font>[[User:Obli|bli]] ([[User_talk:Obli|Talk]])<small><sup>[[WP:TALK|?]]</sup></small> 23:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:Fine. I will write a paragraph called [[Green Day#Criticism against Green Day|Criticism against Green Day]]. [[user:Psychomelodic|<font size="3"><font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font><font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="3"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s)</sub></b></font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 00:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
::I oppose writing a paragraph againt Green Day since there is almost no legitimate criticism of them that can't be grouped into one of the other sections and we don't need to give these whiny trolls their way by rewarding their behavior on this article. <small>[[User:Pegasus1138|Pegasus1138]]</small><sup>[[User talk:Pegasus1138|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Pegasus1138|Contribs]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Pegasus1138|Email]]</sup> ---- 01:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 
:::'''I Strongly Agree''' with [[User:Pegasus1138|Pegasus1138]]. Please read the "Thanks for all your efforts" section on [[User talk:Obli|Obli's Talk Page]]. --[[User:Anirudhsbh|Andy123]] 01:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Seeing you're more involved in this than I am, I trust your judgemnt on this --<font color="#FF0000">[[User:Obli|O]]</font>[[User:Obli|bli]] ([[User_talk:Obli|Talk]])<small><sup>[[WP:TALK|?]]</sup></small> 01:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 
 
 
Isn't all criticism is a POV? Yet Green Day is a very disputed band and the article should include section about it (I've made a summery [[User:Psychomelodic/Criticism aganist Green Day|here]]). And for Obli's question, fluffer is the girl in porn movies that "plays" with the actor before shootings so he'll be in shape. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 19:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 
:Why did this discussion even start? From my point of view (ha ha) it looks like a load of nonsense to me... It's only a shame we can't tag external webpages with speedy tags. [[User:Kareeser|Kareeser]]|<sup>[[User talk:Kareeser|Talk!]]</sup> 02:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 
::There's criticism for every band on the planet, so I don't see why we should add a criticism section. It seems rather redundant (no pun intended).[[User:Starla Dear|Starla Dear]] 17:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== My questions about GD ==
 
Have you seen "St Jimmy" videoclip?
 
 
Who starts singing "Letterbomb"?
 
[[User:Mataga|Mataga]] 16:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 
 
It's [[kathleen Hanna]] [[User:Jacknife737|Jacknife737]] 00:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 
== When did they join? ==
 
The article lists different join dates for both Billie Joe Armstrong and Mike Dirnt. Did they join in 1987 or 1988? It is not clear in the article. Perhaps somebody could fact-check for me? [[User:Kareeser|Kareeser]]|<sup>[[User talk:Kareeser|Talk!]]</sup> 17:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 
:Last year in October Billie Joe said they were a band now for sixteen years, which would be 1989. However, if they started playing together when they were fourteen that would be 1986. I'm not sure if he considers the Sweet Children days, but they were playing together then. I don't know when exactly Sweet Children ended and Green Day started, though I think it was right before they released 39/Smooth. Basically I'm not exactly sure about much, which doesn't answer your question : | [[User:Starla Dear|Starla Dear]] 15:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 
 
First of all, they would not count Sweet Children days because since Green Day consists of Billie, Mike and Tre, they would have to include Tre who was not in Sweet Children. You would also think that they would start counting from when they made their first album (1039 smoothed out slappy hours) in 1990, so it's exactly 16 years. this is just my point of view on it ;]
 
==Genre again==
 
Moved to [[/Genre disputes#Genre again]]. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 14:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== The Network ==
 
AdelineRecords.net's homepage confirms the uncited statement in "The Network" section about sources close to Green Day not wanting The Network to perform on the AI tour. I have no idea how to cite sources in an article, so could someone please cite it? Thanks :]
[[User:Acidophilisation|Acidophilisation]] 00:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 
== Green Day are not punk they are stinky pop ==
Moved to [[/Genre disputes#Green Day are not punk they are stinky pop]]. <font size="2">[[Psi (letter)|<font color="dodgerblue"><b>p</b></font>]][[user:Psychomelodic|<font color="darkorange">s</font><font color="seagreen">y</font><font color="blueviolet">c</font><font color="darkorange">h</font><font color="seagreen">o</font><font color="blueviolet">m</font><font color="darkorange">e</font><font color="seagreen">l</font><font color="blueviolet">o</font></font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font size="2"><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>(</sub></b></font><font color="darkorange">d</font><font color="seagreen">i</font><font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>s</sub></b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Psychomelodic|<font color="blueviolet">c</font>]][[User talk:Psychomelodic|<font color="dodgerblue"><b><sub>ussion)</sub></b></font></font>]] 21:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 
== "King for a Day" ==
 
Although it does contain horns, which many ska songs also do, I do not believe it should be called a ska song.
 
:I agree. It's riffing on Mexican folk music, not ska. That's why the horn players would dress up in mariachi outfits during shows. [[User:WesleyDodds|WesleyDodds]] 01:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 
== Stuff about American Idiot ==
 
The section on American Idiot says that St Jimmy and Jesus of Suburbia are two different people. Green Day have said that Jesus becomes St Jimmy during the song Are We The Waiting (that it's like his descent into madness) and that the Death of St Jimmy is him turning back into Jesus. [[User:St jimmy|St jimmy]] 18:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
:Does the article say that? Because yes, you're right. --[[User:SwitChar|Switch]] 06:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)