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==Name==

{{infobox television |

"Carnival Corporation & Plc", is that a UK subsidiary?--[[User:Jerryseinfeld|Jerryseinfeld]] 00:19, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

| show_name = The War at Home

*No it's a [[dual listed company]]. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 5 July 2005 03:21 (UTC)

| image = [[Image:War at home.jpg|250px]]

| caption =

| format = [[Sitcom]]

| runtime = approx. 22 minutes

| creator = [[Rob Lotterstein]]

|starring=[[Michael Rapaport]]<br/>[[Anita Barone]]<br/>[[Kyle Sullivan]]<br/>[[Kaylee DeFer]] <br/>[[Dean Collins (actor)|Dean Collins]]

| country = [[United States|USA]]

| network = [[Fox Broadcasting Company|FOX]]

| first_aired = [[September 11]], [[2005 in television|2005]]

| last_aired = present

| num_episodes = 35

| list_episodes = List of The War at Home episodes

| imdb_id = 0460692

| tv_com_id = 31987

| website = http://www.fox.com/warathome/

|}}

'''''The War at Home''''' is a [[situation comedy|sitcom]] that premiered on [[September 11]], [[2005 in television|2005]] on [[Fox Broadcasting Company|Fox]]. The show also broadcasts in the [[UK]] by [[E4]] & [[Channel 4]], and in [[Hungary]] by [[HBO]]. The show is sometimes compared to another former Fox [[dysfunctional family]] sitcom, ''[[Married... with Children]]''[http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv/the-war-at-home]. The show discusses controversial issues such as [[sex]], [[recreational drug use|drugs]], [[racism]] and [[homosexuality]]. The show is currently in its 2nd season.

== Merger and the Surviving Corporate Name==

The War at Home will be permanently airing in the 8:30 timeslot on Thursdays following [['Til Death]].

==Plot==

Dave and Vicky live with their three kids: Larry (Kyle Sullivan), Hillary, and Mike. Dave is a [[middle class]], [[Jew]]ish father who works as an [[insurance]] salesman. Being a pigheaded, paranoid, overprotective, and bigoted father, his family has a hard time putting up with him, especially Larry. Dave is constantly being chewed out by Larry, and even punched once by Larry, for always picking on him. It is established toward the end of the first season however, that Dave is the way he is because he had a father who constantly badgered him around. Dave is married to Vicky, an attractive, [[Catholic]] interior designer. Generally level-headed, she usually spends her time dealing with Dave's bad reasoning and behavior, but can also behave quite indecently herself.

In regards to a statement made in [[Carnival Corporation & Plc]] by [[User:Carina22]] stating that Carnival Corporation & Plc was formerly known as P&O Princess is incorrect! Carnival Corporation was a separate independently operated cruise line owned by Micky Arison and his family for nearly 40 years and P&O Princess was a United Kingdom publicly traded cruise line to which Mr. Arison and his family had absolutely '''NO''' affiliation with until the Carnival-P&O Princess merger occurred. So basically after the merger was completed P&O Princess became a subsidary of Carnival and the P&O name was dropped in favor of the Carnival name but the way you wrote it, it made it look like Carnival was always called P&O Princess which as stated before is an incorrect statement to make. [[User:Misterrick]] 05:10, 05 July 2005 (UTC).

The couple has three kids. The oldest is Hillary, a typical 17-year old [[teenager]] who often does what she's not supposed to and tries to get away with things behind her parents' backs. For this reason, she's often treated with suspicion by Dave and Vicky. Second oldest is 16-year-old Larry, an eccentric misfit. Larry behaves melodramatically, such as when Vicky denied him to go to see [[Brian Boitano]] star as [[Bilbo Baggins]] in an [[Ice Capades]] version of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]] On Ice''. He is often with his best friend Kenny. Initially Dave thinks that they are possibly [[homosexuals|gay]], but it is later revealed to the audience that while Larry is not gay, Kenny is indeed holding a secret crush on his best friend. Dave, and to a lesser extent Vicky, often treat Larry's flamboyancy warily. The youngest child, the [[puberty|pubescent]] 14-year-old Mike must deal with issues such as [[masturbation]], [[dating]], and underage [[gambling]].

:No it isn't a subsidiary, it is a [[dual listed company]]. This is an unusual arrangement, so read the article if you don't know what it means. So far as I know Carnival is the only major "American" dual listed company, but we have several in the UK so we are more familiar with the concept. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 06:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Again, In accurate statements being made by [[User:Carina22|Carina22]]. Yes, P&O Princess did become a subsidary under the new dual listed company and again Carnival was never formerly known as P&O Princess, As stated before P&O Princess was a separate company that mergered with Carnival, In fact Carnival was started 40 years before Princess even existed so how can Carnival have been formerly known as P&O Princess when P&O Princess didn't even exist when Carnival was first started by Micky Arison's father? Additionally on the Carnival Corporation & Plc website it states, "On April 17, 2003, Carnival Corporation (NYSE: CCL) and P&O Princess Cruises plc (LSE: POC) merged via a dual listed company structure (DLC). Subsequently, P&O Princess Cruises plc has changed its name to Carnival plc." so there is no way that Carnival could ever have been formerly known as P&O Princess. [[User:Misterrick|Misterrick]] 19:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC).

==Dramatic style==

::No, Carnival '''plc''' ''was'' formerly P&O Princess Cruises. The problem is that you still don't understand what a [[dual listed company]] is. The quotation you give does '''not''' state or imply that P&O Princess Cruises plc became a subsidiary of Carnival Corporation, because it didn't. They both became holding companies of a dual listed company. Carnival Corporation was never called P&O Princess, but Carnival '''Plc''' was. This is possible because Carnival Corporation and Carnival Plc are '''two''' ''separate'', independently quoted companies. Carnival plc is the '''same''' legal entity as P&O Princess Cruises with the same shareholder body but a different name, just the same as if Ford changed its name to Detroit Motors it would be the same legal entity with the same shareholder body. The only difference is that now Carnival Plc is one of the two holding companies of Carnival Corporation & Plc. Corporation and Plc are '''two''' companies with separate shareholder bodies and ''neither owns the other'', which is a what being a [[dual listed company]] is about.

The episode frequently breaks the [[fourth wall]] in between segments during the episode. Dave makes the occasional [[rant]] during some episodes.

::Deleting a paragraph and marking that as a minor edit is not appropriate.

::And finally P&O is a lot older than Carnival Corporation. The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company was founded in 1837, and P&O Princess Cruises demerged from it on 23 October 2000.[[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 09:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

You know Carina22, I'll let you have it because your being such an a--hole, I do know what a dual listed company is but you can't get it through your head what I am trying to tell you and by the way P&O doesn't stand for Princess and Orient, it's Pacific and Orient and P&O didn't found Princess they acquired it in the 60s or 70s so Carnival Cruise Lines is older. [[User:Misterrick|Misterrick]] 21:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

===Reactions of professional TV reviewers===

A television critic, Matthew Gilbert, for the [[Boston Globe]] noted controversial dialogue that elicited criticisms of [[racism]]:

''"Does she actually think we're gonna let her go out with this guy?"'' the dad in Fox's ''The War at Home'' rants about his teen daughter's black friend. ''"I'd rather drink my own urine."'' [http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/09/10/before_war_even_begins_the_casualties_are_high/]

Much of the program focuses on the father's displeasure at suspecting that his eldest son is gay. The means through which the show gets across the idea that the son is gay through the use of stereotypes has elicited criticism that the show is [[homophobic]]. Gilbert wrote:

I have to disagree with Carina22 on this one as well. This demerger thing is giving me a headache.

{{cquote|But he's [the father] more like a karaoke [[Archie Bunker|Archie]], mechanically spitting out his homophobic and racist gags at the camera as if they were banal sitcom punch lines. And even worse, we're supposed to laugh along with him, and not necessarily at him. We, too, are expected to fret because Dave's 15-year-old son likes show tunes.}} [http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/09/10/before_war_even_begins_the_casualties_are_high/]

From what I understand using my own knowledge:

*Carnival Cruise Lines is formed by Arison

*P&O Princess Cruises is formed later by P&O

*Carnival Corp/PLC is formed after Carnival gobbles up a bunch of other cruise lines. The Corp/PLC puts all of the lines (Carnival/HAL/Costa) under one umbrella)

*Princess Cruises demerges from the main P&O and becomes it's own company dealing only with cruises (The company has several cruise brands under its umbrella)

*Carnival and Princess merge, or perhaps Princess is bought out. Anyway, Princess becomes another cruise brand under the umbrella of Carnival Corp/PLC

I don't think Carnival was ever called P&O BEFORE the two companies merged. They had no relations with each other until the merger.

[[Time magazine]]'s James Poniewozik rated the show among 'The Worst TV of 2005', in the December 28, 2005 issue. [http://www.freepress.net/news/13115]

[[The Washington Post]] deemed the show "unconscionably smutty", then continued, {{cquote|the problem is not just that it's crude and gross, but that its crudeness and grossness are so pathetically forced and contrived. Its vulgarity has no integrity... all the characters are vile in spirit and objectionable in essence.}} [http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/main.asp]

Here is the company history website: [[http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=200767&p=irol-history]]

===Focus Group Controversy===

*It says that in 2003, Carnival Corp (including brands Carnival/HAL etc) merged with P&O Princess Cruises plc (consisting of Princess, P&O, and AIDA cruises). Perhaps the names were merged to become Carnival Corporation & plc

In September 2006, [[Open Line]], published a report on focus group showings of the second season conducted in early 2006 in order to gauge general critical response to the show. Conducted in [[Brookings, SD]], the report detailed how though some of the viewers had reacted negatively to the prominently crass humor, the majority of the male focus group participants found themselves identifying with the main character, and found his homophobia and sexism particularly endearing. Once this information was published, the participants offended by the release of this data filed a lawsuit for breach of privacy contract, and Fox has yet to issue a statement in response to the controversy. {{fact}}

After further research, I found this confusing text from cruisecritic.com about Princess:

===Gay-Positive Efforts===

*Princess is now part of the industry's giant Carnival Corporation a move that occurred when Carnival acquired the cruise line's parent company -- U.K.-based P&O Cruises.

And regarding P&O Cruises ...

Perhaps due to criticism of the main character's [[homophobia]], the episode ''Out & In'', first aired on January 4, 2007, deals in a gay-supportive way with Kenny [[coming out of the closet]]. The show closed with a [[public service announcement]] with [[Michael Rapaport]], [[Rami Malek]], and [[Kyle Sullivan]], out of character, talking about [[The Trevor Project]], a suicide-prevention support service for gay and questioning youth.

*It acquired Los Angeles-based Princess Cruises in 1974 and Sitmar Cruises in 1988, which P&O chose to merge. Even more expansion followed for its Princess Cruises subsidiary. In October 2000, the company underwent another major change: P&O's parent company was acquired by Carnival Corporation and is now known as P&O Princess.

And Taken from P&O Cruises' website:

{{spoiler}}

*In April 2004 P&O Princess plc, the parent company of P&O Cruises, joined together with Carnival Corporation, bringing together two of the best known and most successful organisations in the cruise industry. Already Britain’s market leading cruise company, P&O Cruises is now part of one of the world’s largest leisure travel companies.

The plot involves Kenny admitting to himself, then Dave, the rest of the Gold family, and his own parents that he is gay, and his parents' (off-screen) negative reaction of kicking him out of their house. Although Dave uses some anti-gay slurs in the course of the episode and seems somewhat uncomfortable being hugged by Kenny, he also tells Kenny that he should be proud of who he is. With some prompting from Vicky, Dave also consents to let Kenny move in with them and begins to treat him as a member of the family.

*P&O Princess Cruises demerged from the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company on 23 October 2000 when it started trading as an independent company on the London and New York Stock Exchanges. Carnival Plc is now the third largest cruise company in the world by revenue

Larry briefly has trouble adjusting to the magnitude of these sudden events, especially the fact that his best friend kept such a big secret from him for so long. However, he and Kenny quickly resolve matters, and Larry tells Kenny his sexual orientation will not be an issue in their friendship. Kenny does however keep his crush on Larry a secret for obvious reasons.

{{end spoiler}}

'''In conclusion,''' I'm totally confused!

==CastShips==

you listed historic cunard ships like RMS Queen Elizabeth 1940 and old Carpathia under Carnival Corp. ships. What's that? It's wrong!

*[[Michael Rapaport]] .... Dave Gold

QE 2 and QM 2 are okay. 10:01, July,29th 2005 DEF

*[[Anita Barone]] .... Vicky Gold

*[[Kyle Sullivan]] .... Lawrence Allen "Larry" Gold

*[[Kaylee DeFer]] .... Hillary Gold

*[[Dean Collins (actor)|Dean Collins]] .... Mike Gold

*[[Rami Malek]] .... Kenny

:I'd argue that since Cunard is now a subsidiary of Carnival Corporation, that these were correctly placed. As would RMS Titanic for example. However it would have to be properly noted. [[User:JonEastham|JonEastham]] 15:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

==Episodes==

* [[List of The War at Home episodes]]

So, how come I can't get to a P&O Cruises (Australia) or a P&O Cruises (UK) page where I would find info on the ships Pacific Sky, Pacific Star, Pacific Sun or Arcadia, Artemis, Aurora, Oceana, Oriana and soon Ventura? Where is all this located? Because when I search for P&O Cruises, I'm basically told it doesn't exist, when it does. --[[User:Eeclwa|Eeclwa]] 21:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

==DVD Release==

Warner Brothers has announced Season 1 DVD for May 15, 2007. [http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=6838]

==External links==

* [http://www.fox.com/warathome/ Official Website]

I agree that P&O cruises should have it's own page, Carnival may own P&O, but it owns Princess to and they have their own page (incidentally P&O took over Princess before both brands were taken over by Carnival, deepening the injustice!) P&O Cruises has a history of over 100 years that stretches back way before Carnival comes along. Just because we trade as Carnival now (ok, so the cat's out of the bag, I work for P&O, well, Cunard, but that's another rant...) we still trade as P&O in the UK, most people don't know who Carnival are!

<br /> I'll agree to the last two comments. Definately something that needs doing one day. [[User:Newda898|Newda898]] 21:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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:I started a separate article for [[P&O Cruises]]. It's a tad shortish as I didn't dare to get into the company history after all this confusion... so if anyone can wrap their heards around this better than me, go and improve the article right now! - [[User:Kjet|Kjet]] 11:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:Fox network shows|War at Home]]

[[Category:Television shows set in New York|War at Home]]

Great idea, it was the pain of taking a leap and starting it that seemed so daunting. Ah well, there's a project for the Easter holidays! [[User:Newda898|Newda898]] 18:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:2000s American television series|War at Home]]

[[Category:Sitcoms|War at Home]]

== Titanic ==

[[Category:Television series by Warner Bros. Television|War at Home]]

Yes Carnival did not own Titanic, but threw the purchase of Cunard, it has become part of its history. Please do not just revert back with talking about it. -[[User:Texaswebscout|Ben]] 02:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)