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==Economy of Bratislava==
Great job![http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Bratislava&curid=5819392&diff=125909046&oldid=119948897] Those articles really need more references. [[User:Tankred|Tankred]] 19:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
==HQ==
<blockquote>00:48 Bratislava (diff; hist) . . (+19) . . Svetovid (Talk | contribs) (headquarters is a better word..mea culpa)</blockquote>
Sure, but "ma sidlo v ..." is pretty damned compelling :) [[User:MikeGogulski|MikeGogulski]] 22:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
== Bratislava ==
Hi, "worldseer" :-). I must say my "thanks" to you because you did a lot of work so far with Bratislava-related articles and I must admit that it woke me up to work and collaborate. Great job!
Anyway, I see you are almost complete with the History section in your sandbox, so I'm interested, when it will replace that awkward bulleted prose which we currently have? And what do you think, what still needs editing excluding History to make [[Bratislava]] article at least GA? [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 18:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I see you haven't responded to my message last time, so I'll try it again. I see you stated that you want other people to review the [[Bratislava]] article, but there's still one thing that should be done before submitting to [[WP:GA|good article]] review or peer review, and that's History, which is ready in your [[User:Svetovid/Sandbox|sandbox]], but not yet implemented. When do you think it will be done, in order to continue improving? [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 17:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hi, I'm quite busy now at work and school, but it should be finished till the end of the this week. Other suggestions are in the TO DO list in the discussion section.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 17:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, I didn't know that you are busy, though same applies to me. But thank you for your reply. Anyway, what are you exactly meaning with this to-do: "Make the Territorial division section more aesthetically pleasing"? Also, I think as MikeGogulski, you, I and sometimes Tankred are editing this article, I think you could give your feedback on this: merging Tourism into Economy, and Etymology into History. And third point, I think I can delete this one "Implement Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/Assessment recommendations", because it looks like no one from that project is interested in it. What do you think? [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 17:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
== [[WP:NOR|No Original Research]] doesn't apply on meta-discussions ==
Hi! Because of our conversation on the featured picture candidate nomination for [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Male_Lion_and_Cub_Chitwa_South_Africa_Luca_Galuzzi_2004|lion and cub feeding]], I started a [[Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_candidates#Original_Research_in_image_discussions|discussion]] on the FPC talk page. Since you hadn't posted there, I just wanted to make sure you'd seen it. If you've seen it, feel free to ignore this comment. [[User:Enuja|Enuja]] 20:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:It doesn't matter whether it "applies" or not, I just pointed it out to you.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your participation in the discussion regarding the use of the names "Bratislava" and "Pressburg" on [[Talk:Bratislava]]. I would like also to invite you to a poll that will show us the real support for the two alternatives. I hope the poll will help us reach consensus and close this case so we can move on to other improvements of that (hopefully) future featured article. You can access the poll at [[Talk:Bratislava#Poll]]. I look forward to your opinion. [[User:Tankred|Tankred]] 05:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
==[[Slovak Paradise National Park]]==
Nice work. [[User:Tankred|Tankred]] 03:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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|} <!-- [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] -->Thanks for that Svetovid. This article was kindly nominated by Bbik. In the future feel free to self-nom like the majority of our entries. It certainly is ok, and we definitely could do with Slovakian stuff on DYK more often. I actually went to Bratislava for a day....back in ol 2001. See you around, '''[[User:Blnguyen|Blnguyen]]''' ([[User talk:Blnguyen|cranky admin anniversary]]) 02:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
== Nitra/Nyitra(?) ==
Hi. If the article is about the KOH count, why dont we use the original name? I am waiting for your answer.Thank you[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 10:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the edits of [[user:Hobartimus]].
:Wikipedia is not about "original" names but about English names or names recognized by English speakers. Nevertheless, original name would be in Slovak or Latin anyway.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I really dont know what are you talking about. I am not reverting the names, it is another user. I only changed the names of the articles one time, but that happened days ago, and when Tankred said that that they should be in slovak name, i did not reverted more. I always use the talkpage, and I said that it should be in the hungarian name, because the article is about the historical county...
And if you check the history page of the articles, you will find out, that I reverted the edits of [[user:Hobartimus]].
*And: The article is about the historical county, and the name of the article should be the historical. And why do you think, that engilsh users recognise the Sovak or latin name? The original name of the county was Nyitra county.[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 10:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at this:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zvolen_county&action=history], and this [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tren%C4%8D%C3%ADn_county&diff=134016644&oldid=133944235]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zvolen_county&diff=134016984&oldid=133927597], or this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tren%C4%8D%C3%ADn_county&diff=134016644&oldid=133944235]. [[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 10:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:OK, sorry If i mistook you for someone else. No, the Hungarian names are definitely not original since they are just version of the Slovak/Slavic/Latin names. And the names should be historical, but recognized in English.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::Just to add more, the original names could, of course, be from other languages (tribes), such as Germanic or Celtic tribes.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your answer. It was not me who changed the names. As I said I only changed 2 or 3 once (which were restored), because I did not Know the agreement which was made about the counties. Yes, most of the names of the North counties of the KOH were the versions of "magyarizated" slovak names. If you would like, rename the articles into the slovak form, but I still belive (as I wrote this on the talkpage), that this article is about the historical administrative county of the historical Kingdom of Hungary (which noone wants to reinstall!). There the county was never called Nitra.
Therefore in this historical context, the article should be named in Hungarian: the only correct historical form, and we should write in the present day slovak forms too.
Ps: there were so many changes, that there are many versions about Nitra county as I saw it ( I added pictures into one of them...).[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 10:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I mean 2 or 3 county articles.[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 10:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:That would be Latin or German, which were the official languages for centuries, then. You really are overestimating the influence of the Hungarian language before 1840/1850 there.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
We can use the slovak name, it is much better than german or latin :). Yes, german and latin was the official language, like in the present day slovakia in that time, but i dont think that people actually spoke in latin. I would like to add to the infoboxes the hungarian names, like this: Nitra/Nyitra. Or Nitra (slovak)/Nyitra(hungarian). What do you think?[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 11:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hobartimus is in action again. I think this article name problem will never end... I am going to write him/her.[[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 14:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
It is [[User:Hobartimus]][[User:Baxter9|Baxter9]] 14:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm the author of most pages related to the Greater Fatra range. I've noticed you've been recently replacing all English names with their Slovak counterparts. And you even moved the article on the range to its Slovak name. I'm afraid this is a bit of misunderstanding and it's also against some Wikipedia rules.
This is the English Wikipedia and as the Manual of Style says: ''If you are talking about a person, country, town, film, or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works.'' You stated in your comment that ''after going through a lot of sources, the Slovak name seems to be the most acceptable and universal in English with emphasis on the translations''. Well, most Google links might lead to English pages with the Slovak name for the range yet I doubt these pages were written by native speakers. It has unfortunatelly become a bad habit on Wikipedia to force the English what names they should use in their own language.
Besides, most links in other Wikipedia articles (on Carpathians as well as other Slovak mountains) use the English names such as [[White Carpathians]], [[Low Tatras]] etc. That's why I opted for using the English names in the texts I wrote and I tried to use them consistently. Finally, unless there's a good reason, one shouldn't change the style and language of the original text, especially when the style is prevalent (I mean the English forms of the geographical names).
Do you live somewhere near the Greater Fatra? I was real mesmerized by these fantastic mountains last year, and I'm planning to go hiking there again and again. I took many photographs and I'm planning to create more articles on the summits, valleys and especially nature reserves.
I'm from Prague but I prefer discussing in English here so that other readers can read the messages as well. But we can communicate in Czech and Slovak via other channels if you're interested. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 19:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hi, I've been waiting for some response regarding the name changes. I've been looking into a lot of sources and other articles to decide whether the Slovak or English name should be used for the Fatra Mts., as well as other mountains and geographic names.<br>Carpathians and Tatra{s} are widely used and accepted English names so there is no discussion there.<br>I decided to use the Slovak names as the main names because:<br>#1 There are more English translations.<br>#2 The Slovak names are commonly used in English sources.<br>See, for example, [http://books.google.com/books?id=YPCMq-Wff5kC&pg=PA370&ots=4O_dg_UFNx&dq=%22Velka+Fatra&sig=DLDZnF_GAYIMCUF2RlAgB_ZE2B4#PPA371,M1 Czech and Slovak Republics by Lonely Planet] or compare Google Scholar search for [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Velka+Fatra&btnG=Search Velka Fatra] (43 results), [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Ve%C4%BEk%C3%A1+Fatra&btnG=Search Veľká Fatra] (92 results), [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?sourceid=Mozilla-search&q=%22Great+Fatra Great Fatra] (14 results) and [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Greater+Fatra&btnG=Search Greater Fatra] (only 2 results). Also when you search Google minus wikipedia results, you get [http://www.google.sk/search?q=-wikipedia+%22Greater+Fatra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a only 219 results] for Greater Fatra and [http://www.google.sk/search?hl=sk&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=Osm&q=-wikipedia+%22Great+Fatra&btnG=H%C4%BEada%C5%A5&meta= 999 results] for Great Fatra, of which many are pages that copied Wikipedia, alternative translations in parentheses, and overwhelming amount of Slovak pages using this English name. However, searching for "Velka Fatra" in English pages gives [http://www.google.sk/search?as_q=&hl=sk&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=4HS&num=100&btnG=H%C4%BEada%C5%A5+v+Google&as_epq=Velka+Fatra&as_oq=&as_eq=wikipedia&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch= 19 400 results] and searching for "Veľká Fatra" in English pages gives [http://www.google.sk/search?num=100&hl=sk&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=Ld7&as_qdr=all&q=%22Ve%C4%BEk%C3%A1+Fatra%22+-wikipedia&btnG=H%C4%BEada%C5%A5&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 9 180 results] (this search is not precise but still). And if you search for the English names in English pages only, the number of results is even lower indeed.<br>[http://www.google.com/custom?q=fatra&sa=Go%21&cof=S%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unep-wcmc.org%3BAH%3Aleft%3BLH%3A56%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unep-wcmc.org%2Fwdpa%2FI%2Funepwcmcsml.gif%3BLW%3A100%3BAWFID%3A681b57e6eabf5be6%3B&domains=unep-wcmc.org&sitesearch=unep-wcmc.org The UN] and other environmental agencies also use the Slovak name, for example, [http://www.eeconet.org/eaf/what/Annual_Report2005.pdf eeconet.org].<br>As for native speakers, here are some examples: [http://www.worldinfozone.com/country.php?country=SlovakRepublic worldinfozone.com], [http://www.naturetrek.co.uk/wildlife-holidays-in-europe/detailsdb.asp?ID=136 naturetrek.co.uk] and [http://www.photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.asp?imageid=471570 photographersdirect.com]. <br>Last but not least, the governing bodies of the Veľká and Malá Fatra National Parks use the Slovak Name, as do many other official Slovak agencies and organizations.<br>So you can clearly see that the Slovak name should be used for the article's name, so I'll wait for your response and ask you to revert your changes/redirects if you have no reservations.<br>The situation is quite easier with places that have ''hory'' or ''vrchy'' in their name because that is an obvious translation.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Also, please stop using boldface where it's not appropriate. The [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style]] says: "Use italics, not boldface, for emphasis."--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 21:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
<s>:I'll reply tomorrow, I'm too sleepy today. I'd prefer if you do not change the names as they are unless this is solved. Greater Fatra or Great Fatra are valid names for Wikipedia so no harm is done in the meantime. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 23:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)</s>
::I see your point yet … There have been quite a few of discussions on Wikipedia whether Google tests are relvant for solving naming disputes or not. Most articles that Google finds are written by non-native speakers so they're hardly relevant, besides non-native speakers tend not to bother with translating geographic terms. And even when a native speaker writes an article on the Greater Fatra they use the form of the name they're familiar with, which they saw elsewhere hardly being aware what the Veľká part of the name stands for.
::You state Low and High Tatra(s) are widely used, but the Slovak forms are used as well in English pages. You admit generic words such as ''vrchy'' should be translated. So why not also generic ''Veĺká'' and ''Malá''? This is rather about consistency. If you read the discussion at [[Talk:Divisions_of_the_Carpathians]] I'd say translating the generic parts of names is recommended and, in my belief, logical. Furthermore, both ''Greater'' and ''Lesser Fatra'' were used on English Wikipedia and the articles were under those names for a long time and this seems to have been generally accepted.
::As for the use of Greater/Great/Big. English definitely prefers the comparative forms in geographic names, especially when there's a "pair" (Greater/Lesser Antiles). Although you can find some pages with Big Fatra, this is simply a faulty translation as the adjective big is not very common with geographic places, I can only think of Big Apple and that's a nickname. Besides, most Google links with Big Fatra are from the .sk ___domain. So I'm removing that version from the synonymy.
::To put it in a nutshell. Both Greater and Lesser Fatra have been under these headwords for a long time, undisputed. It is consistent with other Slovak geographic names as they are used on Wikipedia, it is with translated generic words. I believe if you still feel they should be renamed and moved it should be discussed first. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 20:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I still strongly feel that the names should be in Slovak. Native English speakers are - as confirmed by enormous evidence I presented - used to these Slovak names and have no problems using them. In many cases, direct translations used as main names could be considered [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]]. And in case of Slovak places these were mainly done by {{userlinks|Juro}} and produced some rather awkward names.<br>The English names were undisputed simply because there was nobody interested/knowledgeable enough around (no offence). Even if relatively easy, literate translation are not preferred if not backed by strong evidence. We still have [[Morskie Oko]], [[Picos de Europa]] or [[Ligurian Alps|Colle di Cadibona]] instead of Sea Eye, Peaks of Europe and Cadibona Hill.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 14:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:::And we also have [[Hostýnsko-vsetínská hornatina]] ... created by yourself :).--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 21:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't think the names Greater Fatra and Lesser Fatra are someone's inventions, even less so [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]], they have been used in English for some time, both online and in printed media. Both Fatras are at least of the same importance for Slovak tourism as Low Tatra(s) which too have an English name, which you don't seem to object to.
::::If you feel the names should be changed, and that feeling is as valid as mine that they shouldn't, I guess you should first start a dicussion and get some native speaker's opinios rather than changing the names which are correct and have been used here for quite some time. You say you gave enormous evidence, well, the only evidence is Google tests which are just one piece in resolving any naming disputes (and one which is usually sneered upon at discussions) while all other bits seem to concure Greater/Lesser Fatra are OK, even better. It's not a good wiki practice to change any information or names just because you don't like it … take our discussion at [[Borišov]]. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 22:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't consider it original research in case of Fatra, but with other names, sure. And once you start doing it, it's a slippery slope.<br>But this discussion is not about whether "Greater Fatra" is a relevant name or not; we are trying to conclude which name is the most commonly used and recognized in English.<br>Google results were used only partially. I'll list the other sources again:<br>[http://www.google.com/custom?q=fatra&sa=Go%21&cof=S%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unep-wcmc.org%3BAH%3Aleft%3BLH%3A56%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.unep-wcmc.org%2Fwdpa%2FI%2Funepwcmcsml.gif%3BLW%3A100%3BAWFID%3A681b57e6eabf5be6%3B&domains=unep-wcmc.org&sitesearch=unep-wcmc.org The UN] and other environmental agencies also use the Slovak name, for example, [http://www.eeconet.org/eaf/what/Annual_Report2005.pdf eeconet.org] and [http://assets.panda.org/downloads/skprofile.pdf WWF].<br>As for native speakers, here are some examples: [http://www.worldinfozone.com/country.php?country=SlovakRepublic worldinfozone.com], [http://www.naturetrek.co.uk/wildlife-holidays-in-europe/detailsdb.asp?ID=136 naturetrek.co.uk] and [http://www.photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.asp?imageid=471570 photographersdirect.com], and [http://www.mtsobek.com/mts/sta mtsobek.com]. The examples are significant, because they come from pages for hikers, people who are usually more knowledgeable about mountains and such.<br>Google News search (English sources only) gives [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Greater+Fatra&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us 0 results for Greater Fatra] and only [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Lesser+Fatra&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us 1 result for Lesser Fatra] but [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Velka+Fatra&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us 13 results for Velka Fatra] and [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Mala+Fatra&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&start=0 78 results for Mala Fatra]. Also see [[User_talk:Svetovid#Rusovce_mansion| an opinion from a native speaker below]].<br>You also didn't respond to the practice of using native names (as articles' names), although easy direct translations are available, practice even you use.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 22:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Well, I've always tried to keep away from any namimg disputes as they seem pointless and generally harming the idea of Wikipedia. What we all should put most effort into is writing good articles, uploading photograps and maps etc. Given the nature of Wikipedia when various names can be redirected to the main page I don't think it's that important under what name the artcile is in the database. That's why I usually don't bother.
::::::I usually start articles or add substantial text to topics I'm interested in, very often about places I personally know, from which I can provide some photographs I've taken. And I always try to write a well-balanced text and then keep an eye on it. I'm saddened to see there are too many editors on Wikipedia who, instead of focusing on the articles themselves, focus on marginalities, such as what headword the article should be under. The artcile on both the Greter Fatra and the National Park of the same name can be helped a lot and I'm planning to do so when I find the time. It always takes me time 'coz I base my texts on a multi-resource research.
::::::As of your points, if you look at some of those links you provided you'll see they also quote Vysoké Tatry, i.e. in Slovak. So those don't seem to help. I'm afraid you still give the same and only evidence. Links which you found via Google. As I wrote before, number of Google hits isn't considered that relevant: [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English)#Borderline_cases]]. Most of the texts were written based on Slovak resources which always use the Slovak form even in English texts. Also, the first point at [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)]] says: ''When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.'' If you look at [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Widely_accepted_name]], it says ''Always look at search results, don't just count them.'' (Besides, those tests proved the name Great Fatra more frequent though linguistically wrong.) Another recommendation says [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Maintain_consistency_within_each_country maintain consistency within each country]], so as there are [[Low Tatras]], [[High Tatras]], [[White Carpathians]], [[Lesser Carpathians]] etc. it's common sense we should have [[Greater Fatra]]. All these are names with an easily translatable part. It seems odd to translate such low profile places as Cerová vrchovina (it was discussed someplace) or [[Hostýnsko-vsetínská hornatina]], but here the English name would qualify under original research. I also once started [[Moravian-Silesian Beskydy]] which got renamed to [[Moravian-Silesian Beskids]] (not by myself) although you don't find the English name in many English resources.
::::::I'm sure you would find places in those and other rules which support your point. To sum it up, there exist good reasons for the ''Veľká Fatra'' as well as ''Greater Fatra'' names. Unless there's a wider support I don't think you should rename the article and any occurence of ''Greater Fatra'' based on just your feeling as it has been used so (as ''Greater Fatra'') for quite some time, reviewed by many editors and no-one seems to have problem with the English version so far. I don't think this discussion has helped the article at all, I really wish to spend my Wikipedia time in a more meaningful way. I'd like to enlarge both artciles on the range and the national park as well as adding mopre localities. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 14:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Until now, you haven't mentioned a single source that would confirm that Greater Fatra is "a widely accepted English name in a modern context", but I've offered loads of evidence that Velka Fatra is this kind of name. And I avoided simple Google results completely in the last post.<br>I believe you know what Google News is, and it clearly proves that whenever one of the Fatras is mentioned in the English speaking media, it's always by its native name and not one of the translations.<br>"Reviewed by many editors" - again no evidence that knowledgeable editors looked into it.<br>And I agree, a dispute about the name should not stand in the way to improve the article's content. But in this case, the name is confusing, goes against consistency and is against Wikipedia's policies, which you coincidentally cited to prove my point.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 14:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I see you've noticed that Bratislava has been promoted to GA status. Now I would like to ask, when we have passed this one, what do you think this article needs to push it forward to FA? Also, I'm considering sending it to [[WP:PR|peer review]] for more feedback. What do you think? [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 11:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:Follow the to do table :)--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 16:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, to the Economy section "construction boom" paragraph, I've started doing it at my sandbox, because I think this needs tweaking and checking before submitting into the article. What do you think, could you help me to prepare this one? (You can reply here) [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 20:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'll check and correct your final version, but I don't have time to do research and such this weak.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::So it seems I'm alone to do this one... but I agree, this is particularly weak and sensitive on citations topic. [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 20:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:We only need a few sentences so I believe it shouldn't be a problem for you :).--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Ahhhh. Thank you for bringing this [http://www.statistics.sk/webdata/english/census2001/tab/tab.htm link] to me. The data presented were just identical with the old version so I reverted them back and sourced. Now Demographics section should be OK for now (unless new estimate comes out or census will take place). So all we need is to do on the to-do table, though from the peer review where you conflicted, he said that Gov't section should be more coherent plus in more detail, but I'm not so sure with that detail. [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 19:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. No, I'm not going to comment your skirmish with [[User:Caroig]], but as usual, something with Bratislava article. I've seen that we have received some comments from [[WP:CITIES]] project, and one of the recommendations is to trim the History section. Since you are the author of most of that material, you may wish to look and edit that section so it summarizes briefly only more important facts and the rest should go to the History of Bratislava article. [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 07:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
== What language versions to be used for naming former KoH counties? ==
Could you join this starting debate: [[Talk:Kingdom of Hungary#What language versions to be used for naming former KoH counties?]]
--[[User:Peyerk|peyerk]] 16:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
see http://www.bratislava.sk/en/vismo5/dokumenty2.asp?u=700000&id_org=700000&id=2005914 for as "official" a use of the kaštieľ/mansion translation I could find in this context. — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 22:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:Of course, ''Kaštieľ'' translates as mansion or manor (house), but Rusovce mansion sounds a little off :).--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe, but it's a hell of a lot more on-target than the "forcemeat in a potato damper" I keep seeing on restaurant menus around here :) — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 01:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Speaking of which, translations on bratislava.sk are not top-notch all the time either. It's like they directly translate some word that is not used in that sense in English.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 11:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I did say "official" (scare quotes and all) rather than "good"... :) Honestly, the place looks more like a castle to me. Let's see what [http://slovnik.juls.savba.sk/ SSJ] says:
:::'''kaštieľ''', -a, ''6. p.'' -li, ''mn. č.'' -le ''m.'' veľký, obyč. umelecký cenný dom, za feudalizmu vidiecke sídlo šľachticov a boháčov: ''renesančný k., zemiansky, panský k.'';
::so... could be mansion, manor, chateau, or even palace or castle. Pretty loose definition. *shrug* — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 12:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:[[Mansion]]: "In Europe mansions are often given various titles, hinting at their origins - castle, palace, manor, towers, and grange to name but a few." So it's a broad category indeed. But to avoid confusion, it'd best to translate ''palác'' as palace, ''hrad'', ''hrádok'' and ''zámok'' as castle, ''kaštieľ'' as mansion or manor (or palace? ;). Anyway, those are the translations I used to give some consistency to the [[List of castles in Slovakia]].--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 12:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::Good enough for me mate. — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 13:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
BTW, if you noticed the discussion above about whether to use [[Veľká Fatra]] or some of the English translations, what do you, as a native speaker, reckon?--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 12:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Personally I would prefer listing such a thing under it's local name (in Slovak), and establishing redirects for the known English versions of it. Among the English versions I've seen, "Greater Fatra" appears far better than "Great Fatra", but there is also an argument that it should be "Greater Fatras" to keep a parallel with "High Tatras", "Low Tatras", etc., which seem to be in more common use in the plural rather than the singular. Native-English names for mountain ranges are usually given in the plural (cf: [[Rockies]], [[Appalachians]], [[Alps]], [[Himalayas]]), but then we do use foreign-language names quite a bit, which are sometimes in the singular (cf: [[Sierra Nevada]], [[Sierra Madre]]). — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 13:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Another comment, not about the kastiel, but naming in general... to me it makes no sense for the canonical name [[Old Town, Bratislava]] to exist, when we have [[Nové Mesto, Bratislava]] instead of [[New Town, Bratislava]]. I would definitely support making [[Old Town, Bratislava]] be a redirect to a properly-named page for the district (e.g. [[Staré mesto, Bratislava]]). — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 15:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'll bite. I would weakly support moving this article to its Slovak name, but there are many articles using the English name, e.g. [[Old Town, Prague]] or [[Inner City (Budapest)]], so no ''Staré Město'' or ''Belváros''. Best would be determined by G-test or by browsing official places, if applicable. To that kaštieľ issue (sigh!), I have created it under name ''[[Rusovský kaštieľ]]'', but don't know if I picked the best name [[User:MarkBA|MarkBA]] <sup>[[User talk:MarkBA|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/MarkBA|c]]/[[Special:Emailuser/MarkBA|@]]</sup> 16:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::The thing that bugged me was seeing "Old Town" next to "Nové mesto" in the territorial divisions of BA section. It's asymmetrical... ugly... such asymmetry is another reason I don't really like [[WP:NCGN]] as it stands. The purist in me would be a lot happier calling things by their local, official names (with as many redirects as necessary to cover English-language usage), rather than this reference to "widely-accepted English-speaking" nomenclature that we've got. Maybe I'm pissing in the wind here, since my chances of getting a move approved for [[Red Square]] to [[Красная площадь]] are approximately zero. *shrug* — <font face="Verdana">[[User:MikeGogulski|Mike Gogulski]]</font><sup> ↗''[[Special:Contributions/MikeGogulski|C]]•<small>[[Special:EmailUser/MikeGogulski|@]]</small>•[[User talk:MikeGogulski|T]]''↗</sup> 00:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
==Question==
Hey, first of all would it be possible to copy your opinion to the other pages in the deletion series? (If not, could I do it?) Second of all, I have no problem with nominating the others for deletion, but the Balkan ones are the ones I'm familiar with, and I'm only one man. If you nom any, let me know and I'll give the same opinion there. - [[User:f-m-t|Francis Tyers]] [[User_talk:f-m-t|·]] 14:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:You need to get those articles to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/Today]] though.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 15:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
==From Ernst Stavro Blofeld==
Because I was peer reviewing the article. Thanks for wasting my efforts also at tidying the pictures also [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 10:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
If you look at existing FA articles on many cities the places in the city comes before sport. -it is all part of the geography of the city. -an important section that should be nearer the top rather than at the bottom. [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 10:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I have request though. Can someone try to write an article summarizing the [[Culture of Slovakia]]. [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, you messed up territorial division with climate and so on. Could you write down your suggestions first if you want to change the article significantly?--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
== Quick link ==
Just in case you're interested: [[Talk:United_States#Tables]]. The largest cities table, in particular, has been a heated source of debate in the US talk page, so I figured your comment warranted discussion on talk, lest it responses slowly flood the FAC page. [[User:MrZaius|<font color="Blue">'''MrZaius'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:MrZaius|'''<font color="Blue">talk</font>''']]</sup> 09:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
== Minor edits ==
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:Sometimes the mouse slips and you tick an incorrect box. Sorry about that.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 07:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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Do read something about how Wikipedia works and stop damaging it. Wikipedia doesn't work by someone deciding on their own accord what's correct and what's not and forcing everyone to use their style, forcing people do bring evidence or do anything as they wish.
You have decided that the only "proof" is count of Google hits. I provided quite a lot of links proving that this is not the definite dicision factor on Wikipedia, just one of many (and never the most important one), all speaking in favor of Greater Fatra. You haven't contributed significantly to any article on Great Fatra besides changing the name. I don't want to check how many other regions you've damaged this way but a lot of users have been banned for just what you've been doing. Have you ever made a useful edit? Adding some text, uploading a picture?
If you feel the name should be cahnged, do start a discussion and get as many opinios as possible. Until then the names should remain where they are as it has been a long-time consent. Your edits just make the articles a chaotic mix of Slovak and English names. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't mention Google hits in my last post ''full'' of evidence at all.<br>Asking people to present evidence ''is'' the cornerstone of Wikipedia. {{cquote|Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. [[WP:V]]}}
:You haven't give a '''single''' source to prove that Greater Fatra is "a widely accepted English name."<br>There was no consent about the name; the discussion page is empty.<br>Also please read this: [[WP:OWN]], [[WP:BB]] and [[WP:CIV]] (in regards to "warning" and "Have you ever..."--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 08:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:Anyway, see [[Talk:Greater Fatra]] and finally present some evidence please.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 09:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I'm going ask for arbitration in this case. You keep repeating the same thing yet you completely disregard other reasons which support Greater Fatra. Number of hits in whatever search engine are not the main decission factor and I provided enough links to Wikipedia guidelines. There are many articles with similar disputes, where the native name is more frequent in media yet they remain under their English name. Your disruptive edits to the [[Borišov]] where you erased substantial information without any reason (you quote {{cquote|Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. [[WP:V]]}}, all information in that article is based on data from more other sources, which are given, which don't contradict on any of those statements, yet you removed the lines anyway and as a reason gave "trees just don't grow there") showed a lot about your way of editing as well as your statement you have considerably contributed to that article when your only edits concern renaming. I don't feel any need to respond to threats, this isn't Wikipedia behavior at all. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 14:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask for whatever you want. The only so called threat I'm seeing here is a post named "Warning" with text like "a lot of users have been banned for just what you've been doing," written by yourself. But I don't think it's a threat I just think you are a little confused.<br>As for [[Borišov]], what does that have to with anything? We are discussing a name change here, not content of some completely different article. That's what [[Talk:Borišov]] is for and if you look there, you'd see "Thanks, the article is fine by me for now.--Svetovid 00:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)" so why mention it now at all?--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 14:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::What I asked for some time ago was a discussion. By which I mean a wide discussion with constributions from many users. I guess everyone contributing to Wikipedia does some work for a living as well, so not everyone is able to answer ASAP, neither am I. I never questioned the fact that "Velka Fatra" (i.e. unaccented) is more common in Google hits than any English name. On the other hand I think this data needs some analysis as well, exactly as one of Wikipedia rules says ("do not just count Google hits …"). Besides, there are more factors to take into account when deciding on a name, I provided some links. What made me upset was that you're setting the rules, when I didn't answer within a week (I have to work sometimes) you changed the names again, that I must provide some evidence … .
::And as for Borišov, I think it matters here because while you're calling for giving evidence you erased sourced data instead of at least asking first or checking the resources (or better looking for more) so I'm afraid it showed that working with resources isn't your "prime directive" and the reasoning behind your edits was, sorry, ridiculous. And that article finally made switch your edits back to Greater Fatra after I checked the core of your contributions was just renaming English names to Slovak.
::So what I suggest again is to start a discussion, let other users have their say, analyze all pros and cons (not just how frequent the names are on the Internet). I'm trying to check some sources outside the internet, i.e. books, which are always based on more substantial research than online data which is mostly copied from one site into another. I takes some time. And as Wikipedia's usage have been Greater Fatra for a few years, most articles refer to it under that name (and not just articles I started) I suggest keeping it that way until a discussion has taken place. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]])
:::Why do you keep repeating Google hits? [[Talk:Greater Fatra]] is full of evidence that does not use the number of Google hits at all. Only in the end did I mention the number because 20,000 vs 66 is as clear as it gets.<br> I edited [[Borišov]] because it was awkwardly written with grammatical errors and ambiguous phrases. I was mistaken about one thing (deforestation of the summit), which was explained and the article was immediately edited to follow its sources. And your conclusion is that "working with resources isn't your "prime directive"? Please...<br>Also, you can stop with personal attacks - see [[WP:CIV]]. I don't mind them so they are pointless in this case.<br>Discussion has been going on for about 10 days now. I've presented evidence big enough for a thesis and got support from {{userlinks|MikeGogulski}} and {{userlinks|MarkBA}}, which is 100% of all 3rd parties involved so far.<br>You haven't presented a single piece of evidence and got no support so far. You only linked to [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28use_English%29#Borderline_cases|Borderline Cases]], but this is not a borderline case. I'll cite:"There is a trend in part of the modern news media and maps to use native names of places and people, even if there is a long-accepted English name." Greater Fatra or Lesser Fatra is not a long-accepted English name. You also linked to [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places)]] and [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Widely_accepted_name]]. Both Velka and Mala Fatra ''follow'' the conventions and both ''are'' widely accepted names.<br>Last but not least, please read Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before you advice others to do so. You want to ask for arbitration even though, according to [[WP:AC]], "it is a last resort when all else has failed."--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Would you please reread all my posts, try to answer at least some of my comments (i.e. not just those concerning the name's frequency on the Internet) and stop threatening and setting up deadlines. And also respect that I have other work to do (the only time I have for Wikipedia is when I have all my work done, late at night). Over the weekend I'll try to add an extensive comment to the discussiion which hasn't been started yet. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 20:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Please stop saying that nonsense about threatening because the only one using words like "warning" and "ban" is you. Is there anything I haven't talked about yet? Please add those issues point by point. The discussion has been going on for 14 days, which is quite enough. If you cannot find a few minutes to respond, that's not my problem, don't you think?--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 20:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'll try to add '''extensive''' comments to all aspects of the issue, with analysis of the data and more resources in favor of the English names. I'm used to present well-researched and analyzed data on Wikipedia, this takes time. Over the years I've been a member of the Wikipedia community, I haven't participated in a discussion in which anyone would settle any deadlines. I don't think statements "If you don't … I will" are appreciated either. I apologize for any rash expressions I might have used. These days, I usually work from 7.00am thru 22.00pm CET so I really do not have the time nor the energy. We might also want to first set a [[WP:RM]] to draw more attention to the point in discussion. – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 21:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since you are the only person opposing the names and since you don't bother to respond for days, deadlines are indeed necessary for such a trivial issue.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 21:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::No one user has any right to set any deadlines, that's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not your personal project but a collective one. If any change is to be done, it should be proposed and discussed first. This approach is real unprecedented. 06:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Addendum: To satisfy your impatiency a bit, a part of my research for now, more to be added when I finish my work:
::::::::*Britannica 2007 doesn't mention the Fatras
::::::::*Britannica 1911 contains Great Fatra in the article on Carpathians
::::::::*MS Encarta 2007 mentions Greater and Lesser Fatra in the Slovakia article
::::::::*Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer of the World has Greater Fatra – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 07:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::<shakes head looking at personal attacks used ''again''> Britannica 1911 cannot be used in this case because it's too old a source to establish anything, and only mentions a single mountain under the name "Great Fatra", not the whole range anyway. You are right about the MS Encarta 2007, which proves that the English translation exists and that it is used, ''but not'' that it is used and accepted widely. I could even go as far as to use the same logical fallacy you used and say that they use strange translations (Low Tatry?), but it's not needed. Anyway, move this discussion to [[Talk:Greater Fatra]] for all to see.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I would graciously like to congradulate you for deleting the page I spent a half hour working on about a local band which has rising popularity in my home town. I see just because something isn't famous it can't be on your precious website. I think it really sucks that you have noted it for speedy deletion which I think your page should be because it's full of useless crap no one cares about.
:It's not my site at all. Read [[Wikipedia:Notability_%28music%29#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles|WP:Notability]] next time.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 16:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
== Dannebrog opposition ==
You said that the image was not the best that Wikipedia offers. What is the best one? [[User:ANNAfoxlover|ANNAfoxlover]] 00:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:There are plenty. For example, many I've voted for in the past. Of course, we are not talking about the same subject here :)--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 08:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Oh! Of course. [[User:ANNAfoxlover|ANNAfoxlover]] 14:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
== Ghostwriter ==
Hi, you deleted some material in the Ghostwriter article, stating that "(the deleted part was with no references, unencyclopedic and messed up page design)." The deleted material on ghostwriter's fees had Internet references to Ghostwriting companies. Regarding your claim that it is "unencyclopedic," I don't understand what you mean. The article is about ghostwriters, and I added information on how much money ghostwriters are paid per page, per article, or per book. This helps readers understand how ghostwriters make a living. Regarding the claim that it was "messed-up page design," if you don't like bullets, change them, don't erase the section. Thanks[[User:Nazamo|Nazamo]] 19:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:Some very unprofessionally looking anonymous websites offering services on the Internet are not a reliable source by any means. It didnt't even link to an original page but to a cached page instead. Either find some real sources - like an article whose author did some substantial research - or exact prices cannot be included in the article. Linking to a website offering services is considered ad spam anyway. Therefore, I've removed the first two points and left the third using writersunion.ca as a source (and have linked to the original website).--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 19:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
== Your Tagging Development Workshop Article ==
Hi, You tagged article [[Development Workshop]] as lacking references and advertisement like. I want to discuss it. First of all the article (just started today) had at least one reference and three its different web-sites. If it is not enough for the start, I will try to find more sources. Second, it belongs to the [[List of non-governmental organizations in Vietnam]]. As for neutrality question, could you please specify, the exact sentence, which contain any personal attitude or promotional phrase? What do you think should be written in the articles about humanitarian organizations? Critisizing? Or how should the neutrality be reached? Have a good time. Regards. [[User:Ans-mo|Ans-mo]] 09:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hi, the whole bulleted list following "Development Workshop France (DWF) is involved in the following activities in Vietnam:" reads like an advertisement/self promotion. It needs to be rewritten somewhat because at the moment it only states what the organization claims to do and not what it really does. It may be doing what it claims but you need to source that. The page that is supposed to confirm that - VUFO NGO Centre Vietnam - cannot be used because it does not neutrally report on what the organization does but merely copies its claims. You have a good one too.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 09:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::OK. Thanks for advise. In general such kind of activities are not widely described in media. So, the related NGO directories seem to be reliable source. There are even less known organizations, which operate without wide publicity. Why should not they be described and inserted in the related lists? [[User:Ans-mo|Ans-mo]] 09:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Because it cannot be stated as a fact. It should read as "the organization claims that..." or "Its mission statement is.." Charitable organizations are often dodgy and special care needs to be devoted to their claims. Organizations and enterprises will always state only positives about their activities, but an encyclopaedia should only report sourced facts.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 10:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
== Greater, Great, Velka or Veľká Fatra ==
Well, I've added som more extensive comments to the talk page. I moved your text lower as I think the new text provides a better starting point for a discussion, feel free to rearrange the page if you disagree. I believe if a move is proposed, it should be first proposed at [[WP:RM]] with a link to the disucssion to draw attention of a wider public to the topic. The Greater Fatra doesn't seem to be in watchlists of many users.
I've noticed the inconsistency with Tatry (and other places elsewhere). I'm certainly not going to propose any rename, it just illustrates that the matter is not just about strictly following guidilines and statistics but about applying common sense too.
I'm still working on a major rewrite of the article, with more text, more images and maps. But it will take time, I prefer presenting consistent work and I don't think there'a any need to hurry. I'd welcome a helping hand especially if you have any knowledge of the area, any further resources (I don't have that many, I'd appreciated mainly printed ones). – [[User:Caroig|Caroig]] ([[User_talk:Caroig|talk]]) 16:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
== Deletion review Kari Schull et al ==
You participated in the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kari Schull|AfD for Kari Schull]] where the nominator is attempting to overturn the "keep" decision at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_June_17 deletion review Kari Schull]]. This discussion is linked to 3 others the previous day, where the author of the articles is attempting to use the "keep" at Kari Schull to overturn the rejection of his other similar articles. Interesting potential precedents for the applicatrion of BIO, or for the reform of special case notability criteria --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 18:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
== Shouldn't all... ==
(re [[Template:Miss Teen USA 2007 delegates]]) Yes, these should probably be listed on AFD. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#0000DD">><font color="#0066FF">R<font color="#0099FF">a<font color="#00CCFF">d<font color="#00EEFF">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font><</font></b>]] 11:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
== Request to reconsider your opinion on deletion of Clayton Middle/High School ==
Hi,
Since your vote in favor of deletion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clayton Middle/High School]], I added information from three news articles about the school which establishes notability under Wikipedia standards ([[WP:N]]). Please take a look at the revised [[Clayton Middle/High School]] article and reconsider your vote. Thanks! [[User:Noroton|Noroton]] 16:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hi, thanks for noticing me. It'd be best to show notability already while writing a new article to avoid an AfD nomination.--[[User:Svetovid|Svetovid]] 16:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
==How to sign unsigned comments==
I saw your comment at the [[Nipple sucking]] AfD. Go to [[Template:Unsigned]] and follow the instructions there. Let me know if you get stuck. [[User:Joie de Vivre|Joie de Vivre]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:Joie de Vivre|T]]</small></small></sup> 11:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Trying to find solid references for the personal computer article. The research and sifting of accurate information is time consuming...
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