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| caption = Promotional poster for ''Appleseed''

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| director = [[Shinji Aramaki]]

Added all the info about the CSC, because I'm awesome like that.

| producer = [[Fumihiko Sori]]<br/>[[Hidenori Ueki]]<br/>[[Naoko Watanabe]]

-That was me --[[User:Okieman1200|okieman1200]] 09:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

| writer = [[Haruka Handa]]<br/>[[Tsutomu Kamishiro]]

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| starring = [[Ai Kobayashi]]<br/>[[Jurota Kosugi]]<br/>[[Yuki Matsuoka]]

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| released = {{flagicon|Japan}} [[2004]]<br/>{{flagicon|USA}} [[January 14]], [[2005]]

| runtime = 105 min.

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| followed_by = ''[[Appleseed EX Machina]]''

| website = http://www.appleseedthemovie.com/

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:''For other uses, see [[Appleseed]].''

I think it would be great if someone could add a section about BU's beanpot dominance. --[[User:Thekoshinator|Thekoshinator]] 06:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

{{nihongo|'''''Appleseed'''''|アップルシ－ド|Appurushīdo}} is an [[anime]] film, directed by [[Shinji Aramaki]] and originally released in [[Japan]] on [[May 17]], [[2004]]. It is based on the characters created by [[Masamune Shirow]] in the original ''[[Appleseed (manga)|Appleseed]]'' manga series that was published in [[1985]]. Although it shares some characters with the original series, this film's storyline is not connected to it.

== Plot outline ==

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Set in 2131 AD, Deunan Knute, a young legendary female soldier is a survivor of the Third World War which has brought Earth to the brink of destruction. Alongside her former lover and comrade Briareos, who is now a cyborg, Deunan is brought to a Utopian city called Olympus, also inhabited by a genetically-engineered species called Bioroids. There, she integrates into the prestigious ESWAT organization to serve as the city's guardian. But what she discovers is not the promised land of peace, but rather a deadlier, more elusive battlefield than before.

Bioroids have a lifespan much shorter than those of humans, due to the suppression of their reproductive capabilities. When the facilities that were used in the Bioroid's life extension processes are destroyed by a secret faction of the Olympus Regular Army in a terrorist attack as part of its demonstration of fear and hatred for the Bioroids, a crisis which requires immediate resolution is formed, and the Appleseed data is revealed to still exist, even though most thought it destroyed.

I added a to-do list, since it pains me to see how underdeveloped my [[alma mater]] is in comparison to some of the other university pages out there. Helpful contributions would be most welcome. --[[User:MC MasterChef|MC MasterChef]] 12:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:As a current student, I'm happy to hear that. I don't have a whole lot of information of my own, but I'll see if there's anything I can add. --[[User:Dirk Gently|Dirk Gently]] 11:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Under the surface, as we can see, Olympus is plagued by conflicting factions. Some believe that Bioroids are a threat to the future advancement of mankind, whilst others believe that humans themselves are the threat. The ultimate question is over everyone's right to life, and whether or not one group deserves life more than the other. At the centre of this battle is Appleseed, the data that is able to extend Bioroid life, by restoring reproductive functions.

:I just redid the Academics section a bit. I think the list format is a little easier to read. If someone is feeling abitious, they could write articles for each of the colleges, with a list of majors offered. I also mentioned the study abroad programs, but I don't have all of the information for that. With a little work, we could turn this around quite a bit. [[User:Jon Seitz|Jon Seitz]] 05:21, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

== Characters ==

:: I bumped with West Campus information down to the dorms section where it belongs, but with a few photos and some more details on the other dorm options, you could probably spin off a sub-page [[Boston University student housing]] with the info from [[Warren Towers]] and some of the StuVi section. The most glaring omission to my eyes right now is the lack of Silber's history in shaping the university, but my internet connection is too spotty right now for me to do much research on that at the moment. --[[User:MC MasterChef|MC MasterChef]] 05:44, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

===Deunan Knute===

The mention of [[Boston College|BC]] has been removed. I guess it wasn't really necessary, but a ''lot'' of people I talk to get BU mixed up with BC. What do other people think? (Also, thanks for your contributions, MC.) --[[User:Dirk Gently|Dirk Gently]] 20:16:37, 2005-08-30 (UTC)

The daughter of Carl and Dr. Gilliam Knute, Deunan, who is considered as a beautiful and highly skilled warrior, has spent almost her entire life fighting in a war that was, for the most part, over. It was not until she was rescued by an ES.W.A.T. (Extra Special Weapons And Tactics) team, led by Hitomi and her former lover Briareos, in the middle of a ruined city just after Deunan had a short but fierce battle with unidentified enemies, that she was finally evacuated from the Badlands. When she arrived in Olympus, the change of environment was severe, but it was a greater shock to her when she found that Briareos had lost over 75% of his original body during the last Global War and was now a cyborg.

^ I think it's important to keep the BU/BC line. Along with being hockey rivals, people who know be but don't go to BU constantly mix it up and say I go to BC. Also I don't think that it's all that important to go into too much detail on the individual majors and such, as that kind of information can easily be found on BU's website. Just my $0.02.

The day after she was brought to the city of Olympus, Deunan learned that over half of the population of the city was composed of artificial humans called Bioroids and that her new friend, Hitomi, was one herself. Deunan also discovers that other people are looking for her, mostly because she possesses, without knowing it, the secret of "Appleseed". That interest will become extremely important when Hitomi's life will be at risk and the "Appleseed Data" will be needed to save her and the entire Bioroid population of Olympus. But the discovery of the "Appleseed Data" could condemn the human population to extinction without Deunan knowing about this detail. But that would mean defying the powerful Olympus Regular Army (O.R.A.), composed entirely of humans and under the command of General Edward Uranus III and Colonel Hades.

I added another photo of the beach. I'll try and dig through my photos and find some more to upload. [[User:Metaomni|Metaomni]] 23:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Ai Kobayashi|Amanda Winn Lee}}

== Moved from article page ==

===Briareos Hecatonchires===

Question from [[User:65.96.188.220]]: Where did Howard Stern or Martin Luther King Junior live while in attendance?

At one time, Briareos was Deunan Knute's lover, as well as a comrade-in-arms in battle. During two years of hard separation for both of them, he was severely injured on the North African front. When Hitomi and the Elders saved him, he had over seventy-five percent of his body replaced by state-of-the-art mechanical components, making him a highly advanced cyborg. During Deunan's stay in Olympus he is assigned by his ES.W.A.T. superiors to protect her and also begins to search for the "Appleseed Data." In the original story, Briareos was a black man who lived in the mediterranean who served under Colonel Carl Knute, Deunan's father. In the original manga, Briareos and Deunan are not separated, and she is well aware of his cyborg body replacement.

Howard Stern I don't know, as for MLK in my dorm, Myles Standish Hall, there is a plaque denoting him as a famous resident at one time or another. --[[User:Okieman1200|Okieman1200]] 08:47, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Jūrōta Kosugi|Jamieson Price}}

===Athena Areios===

Where is that plaque? I lived in Myles two years ago and don't remember ever seeing it. --[[User:Masoni|Masoni]] 23:21, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Prime Minister of Olympus, Athena Areios is a first-generation Bioroid created by Deunan's mother, Dr. Gilliam Knute, and served as her lab assistant until Dr. Knute's death. Because Athena is a first-generation Bioroid, she doesn't have the emotional limitations the second-generation has, so she has greater latitude to use "extraordinary" methods to try to find Deunan. Of course, she also runs the risk that either the Council of Elders or General Uranus would find out and take action against her, so she, along with her chief-of staff Nike, have to be very careful.

It's in the first floor lobby, right at the bottom of the stairs. It's a framed picture of Myles as a hotel and has a lot of written information on it. There's also a similar thing denoting info about Myles Standish himself. --[[User:Okieman1200|okieman1200]] 06:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Mami Koyama|Mary Elizabeth McGlynn}}

Is the section about Grade deflation really NPOV? Where are the statistics. I mean I'm a student and I can tell you the rumors exist, but are they sufficient to write about here, I doubt it. --[[User:168.122.241.73|168.122.241.73]] 08:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

===Nike===

there was a boston globe article about it last year. i believe both the bu and bc student papers have published articles as well. [[User:Thepedestrian|Thepedestrian]] 21:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Nike is Athena Areios's chief-of-staff, as well as being commander-in-chief of ES.W.A.T. Although she is a second-generation Bioroid, and being such having her emotions controlled, she is fiercely loyal to Athena, not to mention the Bioroids' prime purpose: the salvation of humanity.

== Campus and facilities ==

{{anime voices|Miho Yamada|Mimi Woods}}

This section is getting quite well-developed, particularly the student housing parts (though more can probably be said about facilities -- Marsh Chapel, the GSU, the labs at the Photonics Center, for example). Should it be split off to a separate article, a la [[Boston University athletics]]? If so, [[Warren Towers]] should probably be merged in to the [[Boston University campus and facilities]] (or whatever title) article. '''— [[User:MC MasterChef|MC MasterChef]]''' '''::''' Leave a '''[[User_talk:MC MasterChef|tip]] —''' 08:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

===Hitomi===

I have just added a little section about the Castle and the Pub. (CAS 2001, GRS 2004 here) I remember the tale of the castle from the campus tour, but i cannot find information to back it up. However, i still find it to be a bit of interesting info to be included. With the Castle section, i added a bit of info about the Pub as well (i think it is the only official on campus bar, correct me if i am wrong). I also added a more detailed description of the Bay State and South campus areas (i lived in the Common ground (156-8 BSR) and South Campus myself). Last time i visited campus, the new Hillel is going up. I wonder if it is finished yet. --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 06:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

A second-generation Bioroid, Hitomi is charged with recruiting new members of ES.W.A.T.. She had led the rescue mission of Deunan Knute in the Badlands, as well as aiding her getting settled in Olympus. Although her emotions are regulated, she has interest in the emotion of love, and is disturbed by hate, as expressed by the human soldiers of the O.R.A, especially towards the Bioroids.

:the new hillel is definitely finished (i'm editing from Bay State Road right now). i'm not sure when it was completed, but i know it's been in operation for a while now.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 06:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Yuki Matsuoka|Karen Strassman}}

:thats cool. I liked that little patch of grass though. it gives a lot of light. There used to be a fountain there too, but was removed a while back. Oh god. i am getting old. Is the Common Ground renovated yet? It has been promised ti be redone ever since i started living there in 1998 (i lucked out and got a single there as a freshman). It is still kinda a mess when i left in 2000. BTW, i dont know why they called it Common ground house. Everyone seem to develop intense dislike of each other when i lived there. By the time i leave, no one talk to each other, LOL--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 07:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

===Yoshitsune Miyamoto===

i just read the BU official Hillel page. you guys got a JP Licks now? Damn i am jealous.--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 07:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:I highly doubt the common ground house has been redone. i'm at 172 bay state, so i walk by there a lot. yeah, JP licks right in the hillel, which is a pretty nice place. life is good on bay state road.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 08:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Also a second-generation Bioroid, Yoshitsuni Miyamoto... or "Yoshi" as he is referred to, is ES.W.A.T.'s chief mechanic and Land Strider designer. He also would like to further examine Briareos' cybernetic armor more closely, if Briareos would allow it. His knowledge of mechanical workings would become useful later in the film. Yoshi seems to care for Hitomi.

: 172 BSR.... Why is it so familar. i think i used to know someone there. We used to party a LOT in the French house (pre-renovation) and have weekly poker nights (where Poker is not really the main objective). ahhh. memories. So which school are you at?--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 08:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::172 is the russian house. I'm in CAS for history. what did you major in?--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 08:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::I did International Relations. BA IR 2001, MA IR/COM 2004. History, you got Keylor?--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 08:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:I haven't had Keylor, but I've heard very good things.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 08:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:take him. you would LOVE it. I had him all through both my BA and my MA.--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 08:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Toshiyuki Morikawa|Dave Wittenberg}}

== BU ranking re: US news and World Report ==

===Edward Uranus III===

I remember hearing that BU is never ranked high on the US news campus report because it is Bu policy not to fill out the form required by the magazine. I can never confirm it, if anyone know anthing about that, let me know. --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 06:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Supreme commander of the O.R.A., General Edward Uranus III has a great distrust of the Bioroids, and wishes to either control them or totally eliminate them. But unlike his subordinate Hades, he is not given to irrationality. A friend of the Knute family, Uranus deeply regrets the death of Dr. Gilliam Knute and wants to persuade Deunan to help him in his quest.

However, when General Uranus was made aware about about the Council of Elder's plans to replace humans with Bioroids, then sterilize the humans using the "D-tank", he voluntarily surrendered, rather than be used as a pawn in the Council's plans.

{{anime voices|Yuzuru Fujimoto|Michael McConnohie}}

== BU first's ==

I came across some interesting information about BU, do you think it should be added?

===Hades===

BU Was the First to...

Open all its divisions to women (1872)

Open a college of music in the United States (1873)

Admit women to its medical college, the School of Medicine (1873)

University in America to award Ph.D.s to women (1877)

Offer a college degree in public relations (1947)

Establish a combined six-year liberal arts/medical degree program (1961)

Open a graduate school in dentistry (1963)

Combine cancer research and a teaching laboratory (1965)

Colonel Hades is Gen. Uranus's subordinate. Like Uranus, he has a great distrust of the Bioroids. However, his distrust has evolved into an irrational, all-consuming hatred, and wishes to see the Bioroids destroyed.

from College Prowler's guidebook, ''Boston University - Off the Record''

Originally, Hades served under Carl Knute, Deunan's father, in Los Angeles' S.W.A.T., but was thrown out by Carl because of his extreme methods. He held a grudge with Carl, and is furious that Carl's D.N.A. is in all the Bioroids.

== International Standing ==

In the end, he is killed by Deuan's pistol, which was her father's.

I threw in the secton on international standing, info from http://www.thes.co.uk/worldrankings/

and from Shanghai University:

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htm

{{anime voices|Takehito Koyasu|Jack Aubree}}

== endowment ==

===Kudoh===

anybody have a reliable source for info about BU's endowment? I have heard from some places that it has shrunk a great deal since 2000. I just wanted to know if anyone could confirm that, or has any other info about the endowment, which is not mentioned in the article as far as I can see.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 06:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Kudoh is one of the top members of ES.W.A.T. He participates in some training sessions with Deunan and eventually earns her respect. When she and Briareos head to Dr. Gilliam Knute's old lab, Kudoh comes along. After they are betrayed by a fellow ES.W.A.T. member who is sympathetic towards the O.R.A., Kudoh stays behind, keeping his gun trained on Hades so that Deunan and Briareos can escape.

Shortly after this, Kudoh is gunned down by numerous O.R.A. soldiers and collapses dead against the wall of a hallway. Deunan expresses great distress over his death, but Briareos drags her away reluctantly, the O.R.A. hot on their trail.

== controversies ==

{{anime voices|Tadahisa Saizen|Jack Aubree}}

I advocate the placement of certain actions from the university that has caused controversy, including Silber's tenure, his pay, and his stance on certain social issues that has affected university policies during his time as President/Chancellor. These include the refusal to include Sexual Orientation in the non-discrimination clause and the disbanding of the gay staight alliance of the BU academy (an affiliated high school). --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 06:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

===Dr. Gilliam Knute===

== Grade Deflation ==

Dr. Gilliam Knute was the scientist that created the Bioroids, as well as the "D-tank" virus, which is capable to redering normal humans sterile. It was during the creation of the first generation that she realized that the Council of Elders wanted to use the Bioroids to replace normal humanity altogether. Therefore, she arranged that the Bioroids would not be able to reproduce but kept the formula to activate their reproductive systems - codenamed "Appleseed" - in a pendant, which after she had her assistant Athena evacuated, she had given to her young daughter Deunan, with the promise to give it to Athena if she asked. Dr. Knute was later captured by the military - and mistakenly killed by a soldier in front of Deunan.

Is the discussion on grade deflation NPOV? Do we have any sources for it? I know a lot of students think its happening, but what do we have to back it up for inclusion in the article? [[User:Metaomni|Metaomni]] 01:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

{{anime voices|Emi Shinohara|Mia Bradly}}

Grade deflation is not an official policy. Often, this is the result of faculty meetings and general administration directive, and up to the discretion of the professor. I dont think there would be an official memo for it. --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 05:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

:I don't know if it's an official policy or not, but I can tell you that at the beginning of my psychology 101 class last semester, the professor told us that out of a class of 200, there were going to be about 15 A's awarded, because "we have grade deflation at BU." this stuff definitely happens, but I don't suppose it would be an official policy. How would one word such a policy? sounds difficult --[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 05:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

==Music==

:I was there for 6 years. Many professors often tell the kids that there is only X-number of As available. Then they grade on the curve (so if 20 A are allocated, then the first 20, regardless of actual percentage, get A, and the rest get B, C and so on). Its not exactly unusual and not officially grade deflation.

The original soundtrack and music to the series features an [[electronic music|electronic]], [[techno music|techno]] and [[trance music|trance]] theme, with the likes of [[Paul Oakenfold]], [[Basement Jaxx]], [[Boom Boom Satellites]], [[Akufen]], [[Carl Craig]], [[T. Raumschmiere]] and [[Ryuichi Sakamoto]] handling the music.

:In a way, i understands BU's view. Whats the worth of a cum laude/Magna cum Laude/Summa cum Laude if everyone gets one?--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 06:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

:I've added an accuracy dispute box on the main page until we work this out. --[[User:Metaomni|Metaomni]] 19:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

==Sequel==

:The thing is we might never know if it is official or unofficial policy. All grad deflations are debatable and disputed. --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 20:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Director [[Shinji Aramaki]] will also be directing the sequel to the 2004 movie, titled [[Appleseed EX Machina]], which is set to be released in fall 2007 in Japan. The movie will once again feature animated [[computer-generated imagery]] and [[John Woo]] is fully involved in the production.

:I suppose my main objection to its inclusion in the present form is the unverifiability of it. All we have is a couple anecdotes about professors who said there was grade deflation. Whether it's "official" or "unofficial" is besides the point, as it's presented. Maybe we could change the language to something like "Many students believe..." or something along those lines? Unless we actually have some sort of verifiable information, it really ought not be included. --[[User:Metaomni|Metaomni]] 21:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

:I did not add the section, and i dont know who did, actually. But i suggest getting the entire section out and add a article examining the idea of grade inflation. --[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 00:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

==References==

I moved the information on grade deflation to [[Boston University grade deflation]], removed the info from this page, and removed the dispute template. I also found the mentioned Boston Globe article and added it as a link on the new page. [[User:Metaomni|Metaomni]] 03:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401233/ IMDB's Appleseed article]

There is an article on Grade deflation already. Maybe Grade deflation would be merged with that section.--[[User:Bud001|Bud]] 22:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

==External links==

*[http://www.appleseedthemovie.com/ Official ''Appleseed'' (2004) movie website]

* ''[http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/appleseed Appleseed]'' at [[MetaCritic]]

*[http://imdb.com/title/tt0401233/ Details of the 2004 anime] at the [[Internet Movie Database]]

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