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The '''Deutsche(r) Wetterdienst''' (Translated from [[German language|German]] as '''German Weather Service'''), residing in [[Offenbach, Germany]] (near to [[Frankfurt, Germany]]), is a scientific agency that monitors [[weather]] and [[meteorology|meteorological]] conditions over [[Germany]] and offers weather services for the general public as well as specific services for e.g. [[nautical]], [[aviation|aviational]] or [[agriculture|agricultural]] purposes.
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below[[Template:Vfd top|.]] '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. <br >The result of the debate was - kept - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 06:51, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
The DWDs main task is to warn against weather related dangers, as well as monitoring and rating changes in the German [[climate]]. The DWD is also responsible for running the the national clime archive and runs one of the biggest libraries worldwide that is specialized on weather and climate.
===[[United Cracking Force/Release History]]===
This article is long list of software organized in a crude table that features ANSII graphics. Is this spam, vanity, or patent nonsense? Whatever it is, it does not belong on Wikipedia. I suggest that it be '''delete'''d. --[[User:NoPetrol|NoPetrol]] 23:39, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:'''KEEP''' It is a '''''reference''''' for the [[United Cracking Force]] article that took me 7 hours to compile. Delete if you want, it will just go back into my user space (where it was originally). [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 00:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Probably '''transwiki''' to wikisource, or keep, not sure what gets done with stuff like this. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 00:05, 14 Mar 2005
*Wikisource, would that be the place for it? - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 01:47, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**I dont think its the right type of material for Wikisource which is why I had it here. But since the opinion so far is to put it on wikisource [http://wikisource.org/wiki/United_Cracking_Force_Release_History I have]. I'm sure in 3-4 weeks i'll get a "this doesnt belong on wikisource move it to wikipedia" vfd over there. [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 03:37, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
***I don't think it does belong on Wikipedia or Wikisource; I think it belongs on this company's website (and not your name space. That's not what its for). --[[User:NoPetrol|NoPetrol]] 02:55, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
****The fact that you called [[United Cracking Force]] a company shows you have 0 understanding of this topic and should not be involved in its VfD. [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 03:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*****The way I see it, the fact that I have 0 understanding of this topic after reading the article in question is exactly why I think the article should be deleted. Also, I understand that while United Cracking Force may not be "an association of persons for carrying on a commercial or industrial enterprise" ([http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=company], definition 3 b), it is still a "a group of persons or things" (definition 2 a), so I wasn't totally off. --[[User:NoPetrol|NoPetrol]] 21:06, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*"Statistical source data" and "Texts of historical documents" go into wikisource, so I say '''transwiki'''. [[User:GeorgeStepanek|GeorgeStepanek]]\<sup><font color="gray">[[User_talk:GeorgeStepanek|talk]]</font></sup> 02:59, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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''Votes after this point are redundant because the author has '''already''' moved the material to Wikisource.''
*'''Transwiki'''. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 04:09, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as vanity. I mean, come on, it's not like they created the things on the list, they have simply removed copy protection from them and spread them across the world. Yes, that does happen a lot, and individual cracker groups may be notable for a variety of reasons. But a list of 'look at all the things we did' is plain old vanity. [[User:Radiant!|Radiant!]] 09:07, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as not encyclopedic. Though I'm sure some might care about this information, I also have concerns regarding the legality of keeping it here. The last thing WP needs is the BSA, MPAA, and RIAA lawyers going after it. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT>]] 14:16, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
** '''Extreme keep''' as encyclopedic. Exactly WHAT legal issues are there against referential facts and statistics? In the [[United States]], where the Wikipedia servers reside, we have something called [[freedom of speech]] and this is clearly within the boundaries. —[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 04:33, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC) 19:56, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
***Yes, and it was here in the [[United States]], was it not, that 2600 magazine and a bunch of other websites were sued just for linking to DeCSS code? This is not a mere list of cracked programs, it also has the exact ZIP file name and such of the cracks themselves. The current legal climate is rabidly against this sort of thing. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT>]] 21:59, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
**** There is a nominal difference between linking directly to a piece of software which circumvents copy protection (such as DeCSS) and a text-based list of file names. There has never been a law against listing names of ZIP files, don't be absurd. —[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 01:10, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
***** It seems to me that the [[DMCA]] could potentially be interpreted that way. I don't see a huge difference between "Click here to download the crack for WinPieStudio4.01" and "The name of the file you need to crack WinPieStudio4.01 is wps4crac.zip". Anyone smart enough to know what cracking a program is also knows how to use Google to find wps4crac.zip, so the fact that it isn't a clickable link is moot. At the very least, it's a legal grey area into which Wikipedia should not tread unless there's a clear consensus that we're to start disseminating warez cracking info (and I'd like to hear some copyright lawyers weigh in on the topic too). [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT>]] 01:56, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - lists of [[warez]] cracks are not encyclopedia material. -- [[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] 16:30, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - the group itself barely cracks the notability bar. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 02:44, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Alkivar, I'm sorry it took you seven hours to create this, but you didn't even get the character set right. This is not encyclopedic content. If you improved it, it might have a place at Wikisource. [[User:NTK|NTK]] 03:45, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*# you cant specify the correct font on wiki PERIOD.
*# it is a REFERENCE for the article, it is not meant to be encyclopedic
*# you randomly search the web to collect 10 years worth of warez release nfos in under 7 hours if you can.
*# [[WP:DICK|Dont be a dick]] [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 03:51, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**[[No personal attacks]] please. [[User:Radiant!|Radiant!]] 14:15, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' and move to [[List of United Cracking Force releases]]. — [[User:Rdsmith4|Dan]] | [[User talk:Rdsmith4|Talk]] 04:17, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', this is a necessary reference for the UCF article. Without it, some facts in the article have no source. I think Wikisource is an alternate place for this list, but I oppose its deletion here. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 05:00, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
*I think Starblind has a good point about the legal issue. This is borderline illegal, including in the USA, and WP should be very careful about that (we don't list BitTorrent files either). By the way, the author (Alkivar) has just stated that it ''is not meant to be encyclopedic''. In other words, he's just admitted that it doesn't belong in WP. My earlier vote to delete stands. [[User:Radiant!|Radiant!]] 14:15, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
**This is not "borderline illegal". What law does this "borderline violate"? It's not illegal to make a list of robberies, or a list of money launderers, or anything else. This is no different. It's just information.. don't be afraid of information. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 02:10, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
***Ah, it's easy to say that if you happen to live in a free country. But the possession of information can be very dangerous if you are unlucky enough to live in a [[United States|dictatorship]]. [[User:GeorgeStepanek|GeorgeStepanek]]\<sup><font color="gray">[[User_talk:GeorgeStepanek|talk]]</font></sup> 03:47, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
****Calling the U.S. a "dictatorship" is the height of silliness, especially when the topic at hand is free speech. I put it to you, which U.S. law does this list violate? Hint: "it just does" isn't a valid answer. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 04:07, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
*****Does no-one ''get'' my sense of humour? "Irony (adj): resembling an iron." It's just more encapsulated mollusc irritants in front of porcine quadrupeds. Oh, I'm wasted here. [[User:GeorgeStepanek|GeorgeStepanek]]\<sup><font color="gray">[[User_talk:GeorgeStepanek|talk]]</font></sup> 04:44, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*****I already said that, it could be interpreted as violating the [[DMCA]]. See my comments above. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan - <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT>]] 11:55, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', possibly vanity. The article doesn't establish how [[United Cracking Force]] is notable. There are millions of people involved in illegal activity out there, and not each of them deserves a Wikipedia entry. [[User:Martg76|Martg76]] 17:29, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:The point of this is not to make uCF notable, the uCF article itself does that. This is merely a reference for the article itself. [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 05:03, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::No, the uCF article definitely does not do that. [[User:Martg76|Martg76]] 12:51, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:::Your in the minority then, [[United Cracking Force]] passed VfD with only 3 delete votes to an overwhelming keep response. [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 07:08, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Move to Wikisource'''. If it's already, there, delete it from here. This is currently at the top of [[Special:Longpages|Longpages]]. It's a reference (and one of dubious value at that), it's raw data, it belongs at Wikisource. [[User:Grendelkhan|grendel]]|[[User_talk:Grendelkhan|khan]] 16:50, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' and allow for organic growth; appears to be a valid and encyclopedic reference. On Wikipedia, we have room for fictitious laws in the make believe Star Wars universe; fictitious gym trainers from the world of Pokémon; and Star Trek characters so utterly minor they only appear in a single episode. We certainly have room for this as well. --[[User:GRider|GRider]]\<sup>[[User_talk:GRider|talk]]</sup> 18:23, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**That's rather fallacious - said law was deleted, and said gym trainer and minor character were both merged. [[User:Radiant!| ]][[User_talk:Radiant!|Radiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 14:25, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
*** Hi Radiant! Said law is still open for discussion and has not been deleted. An unabridged response to your comment may be read at my talk page, but I must respectfully disagree with you; my argument is not fallacious nor was it meant to be. After all, we even have articles on the practice of '''[[Lighting farts]]'''. To each his own. --[[User:GRider|GRider]]\<sup>[[User_talk:GRider|talk]]</sup> 17:33, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- this is just a list of files, and a poorly formatted one at that. What's next, [[List of software available on Joe Blogg's BBS 1984–1986]]? [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] 10:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' — [[User:Neoeinstein|<sup>neo</sup><font face="Papyrus" style="text-decoration: none; position: relative; top: -.5ex;">E</font>instein]] 19:02, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
** '''Note:''' Account ([[User:Neoeinstein]]) was created '''''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Neoeinstein yesterday]'''''. First vote cast was on this vfd. —[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 19:37, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this is a cut-and-paste text dump, not an encyclopedia article. It could go to wikisource if someone wants to move it, or an external link to wherever this stuff came from would probably be good enough. [[User:Cdc|<small>CDC</small>]] [[User talk:Cdc|<small>(talk)</small>]] 19:51, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Looks like a valid list to me. The format could certainly be improved (wikify, anyone?). The fact that someone seriously thought that this might be illegal just shows how poor the DMCA is, not that the material in question is anything approaching actionable. [[User:Thesteve|<font style="background: darkblue" color=#FFFFFF> T</font><font style="background: #0000AA" color=#FFFFFF>h</font><font style="background: #0000CD" color=#FFFFFF>e </font><font style="background: blue" color=#FFFFFF>St</font><font style="background: royalblue" color=#FFFFFF>ev</font><font style="background: #6666FF" color=#FFFFFF>e </font>]] 20:28, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
ALKIVAR, in case this gets deleted from here and Wikisource, you could go to [http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Web_Space/ http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Web_Space/] to set up a free web page where you can put this. I guess I could put this list on my web page and link to it from the United Cracking Force article if you want. --[[User:NoPetrol|NoPetrol]] 01:45, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Oh I have plenty of webspace to do this, however it would be considered "linkspamming" to link to my own personal page as a reference since then it would be "original research". Hence the whole POINT of it being on WP or WS instead. [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 02:15, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''keep''' [[User:Yuckfoo|Yuckfoo]] 21:03, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I guess it ''could'' be useful on Wikisource, so I wouldn't object if it was transwikied. [[User:Carbonite|Carbonite]] | [[User talk:Carbonite|Talk]] 21:09, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**So is that a Delete or a Transwiki vote? I read that as emphasis on Transwiki, could you please clarify? [[User:Alkivar|<font color="#FA8605">'''ALKIVAR'''</font>]]™[[Image:Radioactive.png|18px|]] 23:03, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Structurally, the Deutsche Wetteramt belongs to the [[Federal ministry for Transport (Germany)|Bundesministerium für Verkehr, Bau und Stadtentwicklung]]. This establishes a close link to the German [[government]], communes, economy, industry, country and state ministries for purposes of cooperation and consulting. It's work is based on the law about the DWD ("Gesetz über den Deutschen Wetterdienst").
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. '''Please do not edit this page'''[[Template:Vfd bottom|.]]
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Currently, the DWD consists of roughly 2600 occupants. Besides the DWD central in Offenbach, there are regional centers in [[Hamburg, Germany|Hamburg]], [[Potsdam, Germany|Potsdam]], [[Leipzig, Germany|Leipzig]], [[Essen, Germany|Essen]], [[Stuttgart, Germany|Stuttgart]] and [[Munich, Germany|Munich]]. Additionally, it runs Germanys densest net of meteorological measurement points with 173 full time meteorological stations (100 of them being manned) as well as about 2400 extraordinal [[weather station|weather stations]] run by volunteering amateurs.
Within its duty of primary meteorological information, the DWD offers a free daily weather report for Germany which can be subscribed to by [[e-mail]] on there official home page (see below).
== History ==
The DWD was found in [[1952]] by joining the weather services of the western occupation zones. [[1954]] the Federal Republic of Germany joined the [[World Meteorological Organization]] (WMO). [[1975]] the ''European Center for Medium-Term Forecasts'' was founded to be able to forecast the weather up to ten days in advance. [[1990]] the DWD integrated the weather services of the [[GDR]].
Since the 1990s, the DWD continously decreased the number of manned weather stations, which resuled in substantial staff cutbacks. According to the DWD, no reduce in forcast quality is to be expected, though, since techniques like weather radar or satellites significantly improved the weather data for a large monitored area.
== Public Services ==
Since [[2005]], the DWD publishes regional warnings against heat with the aim to reduce heat related fatalities. This decision was made because of the hot summer in [[2003]], when estimated 7000 people died from direct or indirect effects of the heat. Additionally it sends out sea weather reports as radio tele types and faxes. Since [[2006]], the pollen warnings can be subscribed for free on the DWD web site.
== External link ==
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*[http://www.dwd.de/en/en.htm Official site]
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