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I have a proposed new general definition for energy that can be derived from basic quantum theory. In any quantum system (thus, as far as we know, in the real world), energy can be shown to be the <i>rate of computing</i> that is going on in a system, expressed in terms of quantum computational <i>operations</i> per unit time; at least this is true if one defines operations in the right way. I work out the appropriate definitions in some of my research articles. However, this new computational interpretation of energy is not widely accepted (at least, not yet). Nevertheless I have found it helpful for my own understanding. -MikeFrank <[e-mail]>

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If Energy is defined as the ability to do work, I don't think work can be considered as a form of energy. Work is the result of the application of energy, but is not a form of energy.

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In physics, work is a name to describe how much energy has gone in to a task. It is equal to force * distance and is measured in joules, so it definitely ''is'' a form of energy.

-- sodium

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More precisely, work is the mechanical process whereby energy is transfered from one form to another. For example when force from a potential field is applied over a given distance, such that work, W, is applied to the body, the kinetic energy of the body increases by the amount W, while the potential energy decreases by the same amount (W). In this sense, work is not itself energy, but refers to the amount of energy that is transferred from one form to another.--[[:Matt Stoker|Matt Stoker]]

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I've merged 'Work' into the 'Energy' article, and set a redirect. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]]

From the old <nowiki>Work/Talk</nowiki> page:

:What about Angular Work done, ie Torque * angle swept out? -- Dweir

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First, can someone define p in

==Premier Division ''[[Super League Greece|Super League]]''==

:KE = &int; <b>v</b>&middot;d<b>p</b>

*[[AEK Athens FC|AEK]] - [[Athens]], founded in 1924 -- http://www.aekfc.gr/

Is that momemtum? And, just to clarify, that integral covers the relativistic and non-relativistic cases?

*[[Apollon Kalamarias|Apollon]] - [[Kalamaria]] (Thessaloniki), founded in 1926 -- http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/

*[[Aris FC|Aris]] - [[Thessaloniki]], founded in 1914 -- http://www.arisfc.gr/

*[[Asteras Tripolis|Asteras]] - [[Tripoli, Greece|Tripoli]], founded in 1931 -- http://www.asterastripolis.gr

*[[Atromitos]] - [[Peristeri]] (Athens), founded in 1923 / merged with Chalkidon FC - Near East in 2005 -- http://www.atromitosfc.gr/

*[[Ergotelis]] - [[Heraklion]], founded in 1929 -- http://www.ergotelis.gr

*[[Iraklis]] - [[Thessaloniki]], founded in 1908 -- http://www.iraklis-fc.gr/

*[[AEL 1964|AE Larissa]] - [[Larissa]], founded in 1964 -- http://www.ael.gr

*[[Levadiakos]] - [[Levadia]], founded in 1961 -- http://www.levadiakos.gr

*[[OFI Crete|OFI]] - [[Heraklion]], founded in 1925 -- http://www.ofi.gr

*[[Olympiacos]] - [[Piraeus]] (Athens), founded in 1925 -- http://www.olympiacos.org/

*[[Panathinaikos]] - [[Athens]], founded in 1908 -- http://www.pao.gr/

*[[Panionios]] - [[Nea Smyrni]] (Athens), founded in 1890 / 1924 -- http://www.panionios.gr/

*[[PAOK FC|PAOK]] - [[Thessaloniki]], founded in 1926 -- http://www.paokfc.gr/

*[[Veria FC]] - [[Veria]], founded in 1960 -- http://www.veriafc.gr

*[[Skoda Xanthi|Xanthi FC]] - [[Xanthi]], founded in 1967 -- http://www.skodaxanthifc.gr/

==Second Division ''Β' Εθνική''==

Second, and much more important: I feel this article is not yet terribly useful for the non-physicists in the audience. Does anyone have any ideas about how to answer questions like

*[[Agios Dimitrios FC]] - [[Agios Dimitrios]] (Athens), founded in 1928 -- http://www.paeagiosdimitrios.gr

# What is energy?

*[[Agrotikos Asteras]] - [[Evosmos]] (Thessaloniki), founded in 1932 -- http://www.paeagrotikosasteras.gr

# Why does the energy concept enter into our theories? (Is it "real"? Is it useful? Why should anyone care?)

*[[Haidari FC|Chaidari FC]] - [[Chaidari]] (Athens), founded in 1937 -- http://www.haidarifc.gr

*[[Egaleo FC]] - [[Egaleo]] (Athens), founded in 1931 -- http://www.egaleofc.gr/

*[[Ethnikos Asteras]] - [[Kaisariani]] (Athens), founded in 1927 -- http://www.paeasteras.gr

*[[Ethnikos Piraeus|Ethnikos / FC Mani]] - [[Piraeus]] (Athens), founded in 1925 / merged with Mani FC in 2004 -- http://www.ethnikos.gr

*[[Giannena PAS]] - [[Ioannina]], founded in 1966 -- http://www.pas.gr

*[[Ilisiakos]] - [[Zografou]] (Athens), founded in 1927 -- http://www.ilisiakos.com

*[[Ionikos]] - [[Nikaia (Athens), Greece|Nikaia]] (Athens), founded in 1965 -- http://www.ionikos-fc.gr/

*[[Kalamata FC]] - [[Kalamata]], founded in 1967 -- http://www.paekalamata.gr

*[[Kallithea FC]] - [[Kallithea]] (Athens), founded in 1966 -- http://www.kallitheafc.gr

*[[Kastoria FC]] - [[Kastoria]], founded in 1963 -- http://www.kastoria-fc.com

*[[Kerkyra FC]] - [[Corfu (city)|Corfu]], founded in 1969 -- http://www.aokerkyra.com

*[[Kassandra Olympiakos AS]] - [[Volos]], founded as ''Kassandra FC'' / merged with Olympiakos Volos in 2004 -- http://www.austrian-boys.gr

*[[Panserraikos]] - [[Serres, Greece|Serres]], founded in 1964 -- http://www.panserraikos.gr

*[[Panthrakikos]] - [[Komotini]], founded in 1963 -- http://www.panthrakikos.com

*[[Pierikos]] - [[Katerini]], founded in 1961 -- http://www.pierikos.gr

*[[Thrasyvoulos]] - [[Fyli]] (Athens), founded in 1938 -- http://www.thrasivoulos.gr

==Third Division ''Γ' Εθνική''==

As far as I've been able to gather, the first question is a pretty philosophical one, along the lines of "What is a force?", and has no commonly accepted answer. Nonetheless, attributing energy to various situations enhances and simplifies our theories, so the concept is accepted on pragmatic grounds.

===Group 1 (South)===

Thus we arrive at the second question. From my limited perspective, it seems like the concept of energy is chiefly useful because it allows us to predict things across problem domains. For example, applying the idea of energy, we can predict how fast a particular resting body would be made to move if a particular amount of heat were completely transformed into motion in that body. Similarly, it allows us to predict how much heat might result from breaking particular chemical bonds.

*[[Acharnaikos]] - [[Acharnes]] (Athens), founded in 1953

*[[Aias Salamina|Aias]] - [[Salamis Island|Salamina]]

*[[Aiolikos]] - [[Mytilene]], founded in 1975 -- http://www.aiolikos-fans.gr

*[[Neos Asteras]] - [[Rethymno]], founded in 1945 -- http://www.neosasteras.gr

*[[Atsalenios]] - [[Heraklion]], founded in 1951 -- http://www.poatsaleniou.gr

*[[Diagoras GS]] - [[Rhodes, Greece|Rhodes]], founded in 1905 -- http://www.diagoras.gr

*[[Fostiras]] - [[Tavros]] (Athens), founded in 1926

*[[Ilioupoli GS]] - [[Ilioupoli]] (Athens), founded in 1953

*[[Korinthos FC]] (former Pankorinthiakos) - [[Corinth|Korinthos]], founded in 1999 -- http://www.paskorinthos.gr

*[[Koropi AO]] - [[Koropi]] (Athens), founded in 1903 -- http://www.koropifc.gr

*[[Messiniakos_FC|Messiniakos]] - [[Kalamata]], founded in 1888

*[[Panachaiki|Panachaiki 2005]] - [[Patras]], founded in 1891 / merged with Patraikos in 2005 -- http://www.panachaiki.gr

*[[Panegialios]] - [[Aigio]], founded in 1927 -- http://www.panaigialeiosfans.gr

*[[Proodeftiki FC|Proodeftiki]] - [[Korydallos]] (Athens), founded in 1927

*[[AS Rodos]] - [[Rhodes, Greece|Rhodes]], founded in 1968 -- http://www.rodosfc.gr

*[[Thiva AO]] - [[Thebes, Greece|Thebes]], founded in 1968 -- http://www.paethiva.gr

*[[A.P.S. Thyella Patras|Thyella]] - [[Patras]], founded in 1930 -- http://www.thyella.org

*[[Vyzas]] - [[Megara]], founded in 1928 -- http://www.byzas.gr

===Group 2 (North)===

Without the unifying measure of energy, these comparisons and conversions would be much harder. I don't suppose it would be accurate to say it would be ''impossible'', though, would it? If there were no equations involving energy, would there still be some way to say how much heat is equivalent to how much motion of a particular body?

*[[Anagennisi Artas|Anagennisi]] - [[Arta, Greece|Arta]], founded in 1960 -- http://www.anagenisiartas.gr

*[[Anagennisi Giannitsa|Anagennisi]] - [[Giannitsa]], founded in 1961

*[[Anagennisi Karditsa|Anagennisi]] - [[Karditsa]], founded in 1904 -- http://www.gate3.gr

*[[Doxa Dramas|Doxa]] - [[Drama, Greece|Drama]], founded in 1918

*[[Ethnikos Katerini|Ethnikos]] - [[Katerini]], founded in 1973

*[[Ethnikos Olympiakos]] - [[Volos]], founded in 1937 as ''Olympiakos Volos'' / merged in 1967 with ''Ethnikos Volos''

*[[Giannena AE]] - [[Ioannina]], founded in 2004 -- http://www.aegiannena.gr

*[[Kavala FC]] - [[Kavala]], founded in 1965 -- http://www.aokavalas.gr

*[[Lamia AS]] - [[Lamia (city)|Lamia]], founded in 1964 -- http://www.aslamia.gr

*[[Niki Volou FC|Niki]] - [[Volos]], founded in 1924 -- http://www.fcniki.gr

*[[Neoi Epivates FC]] - [[Nea Epivates]] (Thessaloniki), founded in 1928 -- http://www.paone.gr

*[[Panetolikos]] - [[Agrinio]], founded in 1926 -- http://www.panetolikos.com

*[[Polykastro AE]] - [[Polykastro]], founded in 1951

*[[Preveza FC]] - [[Preveza]], founded in 1963 -- http://www.paspreveza.gr

*[[Prosotsani GS]] - [[Prosotsani]], founded in 1970 -- http://www.prosotsanifc.gr

*[[Ptolemaida-Lignitorikhi]] - [[Ptolemaida]], founded in 2004 after a merger of Aris Ptolemaida and Eordaikos

*[[Thermaikos FC]] - [[Thermi]], founded in 1949

*[[Thraki Enosis]] - [[Alexandroupoli]], founded in 1996 -- http://www.paethraki.gr

==Fourth Division ''Δ' Εθνική''==

Any comments on the accuracy of this explanation? Any references to articles that might explain this more coherently?

===Group 1 ([[Drama Prefecture|Drama]], [[Evros Prefecture|Evros]], [[Kavala Prefecture|Kavala]], [[Rhodope Prefecture|Rhodope]], [[Serres Prefecture|Serres]] and [[Xanthi Prefecture|Xanthi]] Prefectures) ===

A more in-depth historical analysis than is available through the "What does energy really mean?" link might be interesting as well.

*Apollon - [[Paralimni, Serres|Paralimni]], founded in 1970

--[[user:Ryguasu | Ryguasu]]

*Aspis - [[Draviskos]], founded in 1952 -- http://users.auth.gr/~csam

*Aspis - [[Xanthi]], founded in 1922

*AO Nea Chili - [[Nea Chili]]

*Doxa - [[Gratini]], founded in 1969

*Doxa - [[Xanthi]], founded in 1984

*Chriso AE - [[Chryso (Serres), Greece|Chryso]], founded in 1971

*Keravnos - [[Krinides]], founded in 1945

*Megas Alexandros - [[Iasmos]]

*Megas Alexandros - [[Irakleia, Serres|Ιrakleia]], founded in 1930

*Nestos - [[Chrysoupoli]] -- http://www.nestosfc.gr

*Odysseas - [[Anagenisis]], founded in 1952

*Orfeas - [[Eleftheroupoli]], founded in 1925

*Orfeas - [[Xanthi]], founded in 1903

*[[Pandramaikos FC|Pandramaikos]] - [[Drama, Greece|Drama]] -- http://www.pandramia.gr

*Visaltiakos - [[Nigrita]], founded in 1998 -- http://www.visaltiakos.gr

===Group 2 ([[Chalcidice]], [[Kilkis Prefecture|Kilkis]], [[Pella Prefecture|Pella]] and [[Thessaloniki Prefecture|Thessaloniki]] Prefectures)===

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*Almopos - [[Aridaia]]

I've revised the introduction again, mainly because I was uneasy about the connection between work and energy. After reading the Feynman reference, I feel that the previous summary

*Anagennisi (former ILTEX Lykoi) - [[Epanomi]], founded in 1926 / 2005

*Apollon - [[Krya Vrysi, Pella|Krya Vrysi]]

*Aristotelis - [[Nea Gonia]]

*PAO Diikitiriou - [[Thessaloniki]]

*Edessaikos - [[Edessa, Greece|Edessa]], founded in 1960 -- http://www.edessaikos.gr

*Ethnikos - [[Sochos]]

*Ilioupoli - [[Thessaloniki]]

*Kilkisiakos - [[Kilkis]]

*Makedonikos - [[Thessaloniki]], founded in 1928 -- http://www.makedonikos.com

*Niki - [[Efkarpia]]

*Niki - [[Polygyros]]

*Pavlos Melas FC - [[Stavroupoli]], founded in 1952

*''from Pella Football Clubs Association''

===Group 3 ([[Florina Prefecture|Florina]], [[Grevena Prefecture|Grevena]], [[Imathia Prefecture|Imathia]], [[Kastoria Prefecture|Kastoria]], [[Kozani Prefecture|Kozani]] and [[Pieria Prefecture|Pieria]] Prefectures)===

:In [[physics]], '''energy''' is defined as the ability to do '''work'''.

*AE Alexandreia - [[Alexandreia]]

*Apollon - [[Litochoro]]

*Apostolos Pavlos Enosis - [[Veria]]

*Ellas - [[Ano Kalliniki]]

*Flatsata - [[Inoi, Kastoria|Inoi]]

*PAS Florina - [[Florina]], founded in 1963

*AMS Galatini - [[Galatini]]

*Kamvouniakos - [[Deskati]]

*[[Kozani FC]] - [[Kozani]], founded in 1928 -- http://www.kozanifc.gr

*Pontioi - [[Veria]]

*Proodos - [[Komnina, Kozani|Komnina]]

*Pyrsos - [[Grevena]], founded in 1928

*Pydna - [[Kitros]]

*AE Siatista - [[Siatista]]

*GAS Svoronos - [[Svoronos]], founded in 1971

===Group 4 ([[Evrytania]], [[Karditsa Prefecture|Karditsa]], [[Larissa Prefecture|Larissa]], [[Magnesia]], [[Phocis]], [[Phthiotis]] and [[Trikala Prefecture|Trikala]] Prefectures)===

is either incorrect or unhelpful. (A little of each?) There is obviously a connection between work and energy, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I've tried to give an alternative explanation in the current revision.

*Achilleas - [[Farsala]], founded in 1928 -- http://www.axilleas.farsala.net

*[[Apollonas Larissas|Apollon]] - [[Larissa]], founded in 1930

*Aris - [[Agios Konstantinos, Phthiotis|Agios Konstantinos]]

*Asteras - [[Itea, Greece|Itea]]

*Asteras - [[Karditsa]]

*Asteras - [[Rizomylos]]

*Filoktitis - [[Melivoia]], founded in 1973 -- http://www.aofiloktitis.gr

*Fokikos - [[Amfissa]], founded in 1932

*Iraklis - [[Sofades]]

*AO Kalyvia - [[Megala Kalyvia]]

*Kissavos - [[Sykouri]], founded in 1930

*Myriki FC - [[Karpenisi]]

*Odysseas Androutsos FC - [[Gravia]], founded in 1959

*Opountios - [[Martino]]

*FC Rigas Ferraios - [[Feres, Magnesia|Feres]]

*Thiseas - [[Agria]]

*[[A.O. Trikala|AO Trikala]] - [[Trikala]], founded in 1963 -- http://www.sakafliades.gr

*FC Tyrnavos 2005 - [[Tyrnavos]]

*APO Velouhi - [[Karpenisi]], founded in 1968 -- http://www.geocities.com/apok_karpenisiou

===Group 5 ([[Aetolia-Acarnania]], [[Arta Prefecture|Arta]], [[Corfu Prefecture|Corfu]], [[Ioannina Prefecture|Ioannina]], [[Lefkada]], [[Preveza Prefecture|Preveza]] and [[Thesprotia]] Prefectures)===

I'm not sure that merging "energy" and "work" was ultimately productive.

*Acheron - [[Kanallaki]]

*Akarnanikos - [[Fities]]

*Amvrakikos - [[Vonitsa]]

*AO Anatoli - [[Anatoli]], founded in 1960

*Apollon - [[Parga]], founded in 1948

*Doxa - [[Kranoula]], founded in 1971 -- http://www.kranoula.gr

*Ethnikos - [[Filippiada]], founded in 1948

*Kronos - [[Argyrades]]

*AE Messolonghi - [[Messolonghi]], founded in 1931 -- http://www.aemfc.gr

*Proodeftiki - [[Perama, Ioannina|Perama]]

*[[Nafpaktiakos Asteras]] - [[Nafpaktos]], founded in 1958

*Nikolaos Skoufas FC - [[Kompoti]]

*Souli - [[Paramythia]], founded in 1934

*Stavraetos - [[Syrrako]], founded in 1973

*Tilikratis - [[Lefkada (city)|Lefkada]]

*Volida - [[Kato Garouna]] (Mesi), founded in 1963

===Group 6 ([[Achaea]], [[Elis Prefecture|Elis]], [[Kefallinia]], [[Laconia]], [[Messinia]] and [[Zakynthos]] Prefectures)===

Also, this definition was in the article:

*Achaiki - [[Kato Achaia]]

*Achilleas - [[Kamares, Achaia|Kamares]], founded in 1961

*Apollon - [[Petalidi]]

*Asteras - [[Amaliada]], founded in 1947

*Asteras - [[Arfara]], founded in 1955 -- http://www.asterasarfaron.gr

*Atromitos - [[Lappa, Achaea|Lappa]], founded in 1964

*Dafni - [[Andravida]], founded in 1967

*Erani - [[Filiatra]]

*[[AO Kefallinia / Ithaki]] - [[Argostoli]]

*Miltiadis - [[Kalamata]]

*Molaikos - [[Molaoi]], founded in 1969 -- http://www.molaikos.gr

*[[Paniliakos]] - [[Pyrgos, Elis|Pyrgos]], founded in 1958 -- http://www.paniliakos.net

*[[AE Sparti]] - [[Sparti (municipality)|Sparti]]

*Tellos Agras FC

*AO Tsilivi - [[Tsilivi]]

*[[PAO Varda]] - Varda ([[Vouprasia]]), founded in 1948 -- http://www.paovardas.gr

*[[Zakynthos FC]] - [[Zakynthos (city)|Zakynthos]]

*[[A.P.S. Zavlani|Zavlani]] - [[Patras]]

===Group 7 ([[West Attica]] and [[Arcadia]], [[Argolis]], [[Boeotia Prefecture|Boeotia]], [[Corinthia]] and [[Laconia]] Prefectures)===

:One definition of '''work''' is applying a [[force (physics)|force]] through a [[distance]]. In the one-dimensional case, that is to say W = &int; f(x) dx, where f(x) gives the amount of force being applied as a function of the distance moved.

*Aias - [[Aspropyrgos]]

*[[Akratitos]] - [[Ano Liosia]] (Athens), founded in 1963

*Anagennisi - [[Orchomenos]]

*Atromitos - [[Chiliomodi]]

*Dafni - [[Erythres]]

*Doxa - [[Megalopolis, Greece|Megalopoli]]

*AE Kranidi Ermionida - [[Kranidi]], founded in 1959

*AS Leonidio - [[Leonidio]], founded in 1969 -- http://www.leonidiofc.gr

*FC Loukisia - Loukisia ([[Euboea]])

*Midea Enosis - [[Midea, Greece|Midea]]

*AO Nea Artaki - [[Nea Artaki]]

*AO Nestani - [[Nestani]]

*Olympiakos - [[Loutraki-Perachora|Loutraki]], founded in 1928

*Panargiakos - [[Argos]], founded in 1926 -- http://www.panargeiakos.gr

*Panaspropyrgiakos - [[Aspropyrgos]]

===Group 8 ([[Athens Prefecture|Athens]] and [[Chios]], [[Cyclades]] and [[Lesbos Prefecture|Lesbos]] Prefectures)===

I've modified it in the current revision to try to make the text flow better. As an aside, I think it is unhelpful to have an article that takes upon itself to explain what work is about explain only "one definition of work", instead of having a more general discussion.

*AO Agia Paraskevi - [[Agia Paraskevi]] (Athens)

*GS Agioi Anargyroi - [[Agioi Anargyroi]] (Athens), founded in 1932

*FC Agios Ierotheos - Agios Ierotheos ([[Peristeri]], Athens)

*Aias - [[Tavros]] (Athens)

*[[Apollon Athens|Apollon]] - [[Athens]], founded in 1891 -- http://www.apollonistis.com

*[[Athinaikos]] - [[Vyronas]] (Athens), founded in 1917

*AE Chios / Vrontados - [[Chios (town)|Chios]]

*Dafni - [[Dafnon]], founded in 1979 -- http://www.dafninet.gr

*Diagoras - [[Agia Paraskevi, Lesbos|Agia Paraskevi]]

*Ellas - [[Syros]], founded in 2006

*AO Mykonos - [[Mykonos]], founded in 1981 -- http://www.fcmykonos.com

*AO Nea Ionia - [[Nea Ionia]] (Athens)

*Olympiakos - Nea Liosia ([[Ilio, Greece|Ilio]], Athens) founded in 1952

*Pannaxiakos - [[Naxos Island|Naxos]]

*Paradisos FC - [[Marousi]] -- http://www.aoparadeisos.gr

*AO Polykratis - [[Vathy, Samos|Samos]]

*PAO Rouf - [[Athens]], founded in 1948

===Group 9 ([[East Attica]], [[Piraeus Prefecture|Piraeus]] and [[Dodecanese|Dodecanese Prefecture]])===

I must admit, I'm not the most qualified to edit articles about physics. Nonetheless, the current state of the article is such that it really isn't very useful for the average Joe. I'm hoping that making a few changes might nudge it in the right direction. --[[User:Ryguasu|Ryguasu]] 01:27 Nov 21, 2002 (UTC)

*Achilleas - Kato Acharnes ([[Acharnes]], Athens)

*Aitittos - [[Spata]], founded in 1947

*Atromitos - [[Piraeus]] (Athens)

*Ermis - [[Korydallos]] (Athens), founded in 1928

*AO Glyka Nera - [[Glyka Nera]]

*GAS Ialysos - [[Ialysos]], founded in 1948

*Keravnos - [[Keratea]], founded in 1928 -- http://www.keraunos.gr

*GS Marko - [[Markopoulo Mesogaias|Markopoulo]], founded in 1927

*AO Moschato - [[Moschato]] (Athens)

*Olympiakos - [[Laurium]]

*AE Perama - [[Perama]] (Athens)

*Peramaikos - [[Perama]] (Athens)

*AE Proteas / Chalkidon - [[Piraeus]] (Athens), founded in 1930 as ''Chalkidon FC'' / renamed in ''Chalkidon FC - Near East'' / merged with Proteas in 2005

*AER - [[Afantou]]

*Saronikos - [[Aegina]]

===Group 10 ([[Crete]])===

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*Aetos - [[Anogeia]], founded in 1963 -- http://www.aoaetos.gr

Energy is a very important concept, not easily understood. I see this article evolving while losing some important knowledge contained in earlier versions. Energy is definitely not only a [[state function]] of [[matter]], and I think it needs to be defined around how much of it is contained in a [[system]]. For example, light is a form of energy which is not matter; it is an electromagnetic wave. Heat is another form of energy (this one is absorbed or released by matter, I convene). When one reads about [[annihilation]] or [[nuclear reaction]]s, in particular [[nuclear fission]] and [[nuclear fusion]] it becomes clear that [[matter]] itself is also a form of energy. There is a common misconception about the fact that [[mass]] could be considered a form of energy, (because of the famous E₀=mC² equation) but it is not. Matter is. Mass is a physical property of matter, a quantification number, providing the [[force]] that is generated on matter in the presence of a [[gravitational field]].

*Asteras Chalepa - [[Chania]] -- http://www.asterashalepas.com

*Asteras - [[Perama (Rethymno), Greece|Perama]]

*AO Chania - [[Chania]], founded in 1945

*OFI - [[Ierapetra]], founded in 1970

*AO Episkopi - [[Episkopi (Rethymno), Greece|Episkopi]], founded in 1972

*Giouchtas (Juktas) - [[Archanes]]

*Idomeneas - [[Galata (Heraklio), Greece|Galata]], founded in 1908

*Irodotos - [[Nea Alikarnassos]], founded in 1932

*PAO Krousonas - [[Krousonas]], founded in 1968

*FC Lygia - [[Ierapetra]]

*PANO Malia - [[Malia (city)|Malia]], founded in 1970

*FC Mochos - [[Mochos]]

*Olympiakos - [[Chersonissos]], founded in 1979

*AO Platanias - [[Platanias]]

*AO Tympaki - [[Tympaki]]

[[Category:Greek football clubs|*]]

[[Category:Lists of football (soccer) clubs|Greece]]

[[Category:Greek football competitions]]

{{Football in Greece}}

--[[user:Louis Labrèche | '''Louis''']] May 20, 2004

:Yes, the article lost some good information that is why I reverted it to the latest version of WWoods, I had no time yet to check which edits of Bensaccount were good and which were bad, but the end result was worse. I think I saw some good edit by Bensaccount but I need more time study them. [[User:Andries|Andries]] 16:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

The end results were not worse. I will give it another try though. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:04, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

:Bensaccount, please do not remove electric energy and chemical energy again unless you have good reason for that (but I can not think of any). [[User:Andries|Andries]] 17:22, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Chemical energy is a form of potential energy and therefore should not be in a catagory next to potential energy otherwise it seems like there is kinetic energy, chemical energy, and potential energy and they are all completely different. Same goes for electrical energy.[[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:29, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Disambiguiation==

The phrase "This page discusses the scientific quantity called energy" is bad wiki format and also conveys that the other page is not. The other page is also about the scientific quantity called energy but more spcifically it is about the source of energy for humanity.[[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:29, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Context==

"From the perspective of [[physics]] and [[thermodynamics]]" is unnecessary, since this is the generally accepted meaning of energy. Also since thermodynamics is the study of energy it is kind of a circular explanation. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:38, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==The definition==

(Not even attempted) See [[Wikipedia talk: define and describe]] to understand what is going on here. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:48, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Useless text==

I removed the following because it is useless, and slightly incorrect. Some of it is also biased.

''The amount of energy is determined by taking the sum of a number of special-purpose equations, each designed to quantify energy stored in a particular way.'' -- That is one way to do it, but not the only way, and it doesn't determine it it merely predicts it. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 17:57, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

''In general, the presence of energy is detected by an [[observer]] any time there is a change in the [[physical property|properties]] of an [[object]] or [[system]]. '' -- Or when there is not a change (it is a [[state function]]). [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 18:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

''There is no uniform way to visualize energy; it is best regarded as an abstract quantity useful in making predictions. In fact, many recognized forms of energy stored in such an object or system, are not easily detectible by the average observer.'' There is no "uniform" way to visualize anything. Who says that its best to regard it as abstract? As a quantity? Just because the aveage person can not see it doesn't mean it can not be defined. (This is biased.) [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 18:11, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Bensaccount's edits==

This time I will provide a reason for every edit. I am not done; this article is still really bad. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 18:42, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

:thanks, providing reasons for deletions is enough for me. Useful additions don't have to be explained. [[User:Andries|Andries]] 19:17, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Work & Heat==

It seems to me that work and heat are not energy but rather transfer of energy. An analogy could be how [[trade]] is not merchandise but rather the exchange of mechandise. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 21:27, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

:Work done is the amount of energy added or subtracted from a body.

:Heat is the random kinetic energy of moving molecules.

:--[[User:Wwoods|wwoods]] 21:35, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

I disagree, according to the sources I have seen heat is the transfer of thermal energy between two sources. What you are speaking of is thermal energy. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 21:47, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

==Electromagnetic radiation==

Bensaccount thinks that [[electromagnetic radiation]] is a form of kinetic energy but I don't believe it. The energy of a foton is E=hf=hc/w = planck constant*speed of light/wavelength The velocity is always the same=300,000km/s. So this can't be kinetic energy?? [[User:Andries|Andries]] 21:45, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Consider electromagnetic radiation as a photon -- electromagnetic radiation has kinetic energy due to the velocity of the photon. Consider it as a wave -- The energy is the kinetic energy of the wave. I don't see the problem. [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 22:00, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

:Bensaccount, your classification of electromagnetic radiation under kinetic energy is unusual. Could you please provide references for your opinion? Thanks in advance. [[User:Andries|Andries]] 19:16, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Almost any reliable source will tell you that energy can only be in two forms: kinetic or potential. I think this website has what you are looking for.[http://hypertextbook.com/physics/mechanics/energy/] [[User:Bensaccount|Bensaccount]] 01:08, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

:I agree - see also [http://www.ftexploring.com/energy/enrg-types.htm] for a very approachable discussion. You could also think of kinetic energy as being a kind of potential energy possessed by moving bodies. Ultimately, they are all just forms of energy, and the distinctions between different 'sorts' of energy are just ways of thinking about energy in different situations rather than hard boundaries. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] 10:39, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

'''Potential''' and '''kinetic''' are a very general classification of energy forms. As stated in the present version of the article, these are mostly useful in [[mechanics]]. Based on the fact that a photon has no mass, the equations that are given in the present definition of kinetic energy are not applicable to electromagnetic radiation. I must say I agree with Andries. Also, this article is part of an encyclopedia. Why should it be limited to the basic definitions of kinetic and potential energy forms and I see no reason why we are trying to associate energy forms as to being only potential or kinetic. I like the work done by Bensaccount, but I think it needs to be elaborated. Electrical energy, for example, has both forms of potential and kinetic energies. According to "Principles of science", 1966, the most common forms of energy are mechanical energy, chemical energy, heat energy, sound energy (compressional waves), light energy (electromagnetic radiation), electrical energy and nuclear energy. I think if someone would like to expand on these it would be benificial to everyone.

--[[user:Louis Labrèche | '''Louis''']] May 30, 2004