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===[[Fuck You and Die (Something Awful Forum)]]===
*[[Religious controversy over the Harry Potter series]] by {{User|Serendipodous}} started at 09:37, 24 June 2007
*[[Gothic architecture in Italy]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 08:43, 24 June 2007
*'''Delete''' - I voted Keep on the [[Something Awful Forums]] VfD, but this is overdoing it. One writeup for the entire forums suffices, and despite the [[Something Awful Forums]] article bursting at the seams, I feel that ''Wikipedia'' would ''not'' be greatly improved by the inclusion of an entire SA forums category. --[[User:Jonathan Drain|Jonathan Drain]] 01:30, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Lauterbach Stradivarius]] by {{User|Emerson7}} started at 08:07, 24 June 2007
*[[Corpus mensurabilis musicae]] by {{User|Antandrus}} started at 03:55, 24 June 2007
*Is this page really nessasary? I think its a joke. Delete. [[User:Oven Fresh|Oven Fresh]] 00:17, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Pietro Benvenuti]] by {{User|Wetman}} started at 02:19, 24 June 2007
*[[Vincent Della Noce]] by {{User|Dl2000}} started at 00:43, 24 June 2007
*Delete. Even if it is real, it doesn't need its own article. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 00:14, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Pietro la Vega]] by {{User|Bejnar}} started at 00:39, 24 June 2007
*[[Bartolomeo Facio]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 00:15, 24 June 2007
*Not a joke. [[Something Awful Forums]]. And it needs its own article becos Something Awful Forums is getting too big.
*[[St. Augustine in His Cell (Botticelli)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 23:39, 23 June 2007
: (''editorial FYI'': this is an anonymous comment from [[81.153.165.114]]) --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 00:54, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Lamentation over the Dead Christ (Botticelli)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 23:29, 23 June 2007
:: ''further editorial FYI'' - this is already described (in rather less than essay-like detail) on [[Something Awful Forums]], which itself deserves to be taken out and shot. We don't need a description of every forum on SA anywhere. Not on these articles, not in the SAF article. It should be patently obvious on the site itself. If it isn't, then [[Wikipedia is not]] the place to cover for the webmaster's fuckups. [[User:Chriscf|Chris]] 02:07, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Salerno Mutiny]] by {{User|Ghirlandajo}} started at 23:19, 23 June 2007
*[[Last Communion of St Jerome (Botticelli)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 23:18, 23 June 2007
* '''Delete''' I don't even think ''Something Awful'' should have its own article. Wikipedia isn't a directing service or a list of websites, if someone wants that...Google is only a few keystrokes away. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 00:49, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Sant'Ambrogio Altarpiece (Botticelli)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 23:11, 23 June 2007
** '''Delete'''. ''Something Awful'' is a pretty well-known website and probably deserves something of an article, perhaps with a mention of the forums, but the forums certainly don't each deserve their own article. if people really care, they can go to the frickin' web site [[User:Clarahamster|clara]] 03:05, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Caproni Ca.309]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 22:03, 23 June 2007
*[[Not of this World (film)]] by {{User|Thief12}} started at 20:50, 23 June 2007
* '''Delete''' I've been trying to get rid of the fancruft inherent in the SA forums articles for a long time. See the [[Talk: Something Awful Forums]] and note that some random anonymous user simply ended all discussion and created these pages, without even linking them or shortening the original article. --[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 01:00, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Monte Leone]] by {{User|RedWolf}} started at 20:14, 23 June 2007
*[[Antonio Buscè]] by {{User|Ciano22}} started at 19:15, 23 June 2007
** '''Off Topic Comment''': Why is it that when you try to get rid of this fancruft, every Magic Card nerd, Pokemon brat, Star Wars zitface and Trekkie geek come out of the woodwork? It's like inbred albino hicks coming out of their trailers during a full moon. Why has every noble, laudable attempt to curb fancruft failed? We need a crusade! Our own anti-fancruft intifada! --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 01:21, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Davide Bassi]] by {{User|Ciano22}} started at 19:00, 23 June 2007
***Brings the flamers out of their holes, too... --[[User:L33tminion|L33tminion]] | [[User talk:L33tminion|(talk)]] 05:55, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Francesco Marianini]] by {{User|Ciano22}} started at 18:53, 23 June 2007
**Well, the latter isn't true, because they had deleted the info out of the original article, but I reverted their deletions when I listed these. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 01:01, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Davide Moro]] by {{User|Ciano22}} started at 18:46, 23 June 2007
*[[Orthodox saints]] by {{User|Dinavanessa}} started at 18:36, 23 June 2007
***Way to go for flaming my hobby and me, ExplorerCDT. Next time you feel the need to state against funcruft you don't need to insult everyone who likes them... [[User:Oven Fresh|Oven Fresh]] 01:26, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Ighli Vannucchi]] by {{User|Ciano22}} started at 18:22, 23 June 2007
**** Stereotyping or not...you know it's true. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 01:47, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Thomas Fortmann]] by {{User|Conciacalis}} started at 16:32, 23 June 2007
*****I'm a brat because I like Pokemon? Explain. [[User:Oven Fresh|Oven Fresh]] 01:48, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Gran Gala]] by {{User|Uninja}} started at 15:43, 23 June 2007
****** Did he say that? I think not. I read "Pokemon brats" as "brats with a fascination for Pokemon". There are those with reason that have an obsession with Pokemon, and then there are the brats (rather like the first-years at the front of the bus arguing over whose card just fell on the floor, or, in this case, arguing that every minute detail of their hobby, right down to the colour of socks they wear while playing, needs to be detailed on WP). [[User:Chriscf|Chris]] 02:11, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Moses Chayyim Catalan]] by {{User|Rbraunwa}} started at 13:00, 23 June 2007
*******Yeah, [[User:Oven Fresh|Oven Fresh]] has gone to the hysterical lengths of vandalizing my Talk page with accusations of "racism" because I said "Pokemon brats." I delete, he/she reposts...one more time before I report him/her. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 02:21, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Princess Marie-Antoinette of Parma]] by {{User|DanyMountbatten}} started at 12:31, 23 June 2007
********I didn't vandalize your page, buddy. Look up "[[vandalize]]", okay? I left a comment.
*[[Mina Live '78]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 11:51, 23 June 2007
*********You did, and I recommended you for punishment. What is your fetishistic attachment with vandalism and harassment this evening. The more you respond, the more inclined the powers that be will be to block you for a few days. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 02:38, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[IMAM Ro.43]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 11:39, 23 June 2007
**********I'm not going to be banned because I didn't do anything wrong. If someone called you an idiot, and you responded, WITHOUT doing anything wrong or getting any revenge of any kind, and not deleting any texts from your page and only adding my own, would you consider that requiring a ban? If anyone should be banned its you, although not rate now, since you didn't vandalize either. Also, I'd like to see the reccomendation page. [[User:Oven Fresh|Oven Fresh]] 02:43, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Moinuddin Aqeel]] by {{User|Az haris}} started at 10:14, 23 June 2007
*[[Bronx Warriors]] by {{User|Lance Manley}} started at 09:37, 23 June 2007
*[[Rocco B. Commisso]] by {{User|Slightly}} started at 09:22, 23 June 2007
*Delete
*[[Niccolò Albergati]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 09:20, 23 June 2007
:''left by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=209.36.57.61 209.36.57.61]''
*[[Egisto Tango]] by {{User|Sparafucil}} started at 08:35, 23 June 2007
*[[Urta Rozenstruik]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 08:17, 23 June 2007
*Delete or redirect to [[Something Awful]]. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 01:46, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Christel Bertens]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 08:09, 23 June 2007
**I agree, but prefer '''redirect''' over '''delete'''. Simple not notable enough. [[User:ClockworkTroll|ClockworkTroll]] 03:10, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Eline Jurg]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 08:05, 23 June 2007
*'''Delete''', fancruft. What, is Something Awful going to try and claim [[Adobe Photoshop|Photoshop]] as their invention next? Yeesh. [[User:Lord Bob|Lord Bob]]
*[[Jeannette Pennings]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 07:55, 23 June 2007
*[[Ilse Broeders]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 07:51, 23 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. Forum-as-center-of-universe vanity. (I see a lot of message boards. This is not unique.) I don't see what fancruft has to do with it, but I recommend taking a ''deep'' breath and going out for ice cream. -[[User:Aranel|[[User:Aranel|Aranel]] ("[[User:Aranel/Sarah|Sarah]]")]] 02:53, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Cavazzola]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 05:46, 23 June 2007
**Good advice, I must say. [[User:Lord Bob|Lord Bob]] 02:56, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Enoch Wood Perry, Jr.]] by {{User|Wmpearl}} started at 02:46, 23 June 2007
**The girl I love always tells me "without ice cream, life would be darkness and chaos." --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 03:00, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Harodingians]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 01:15, 23 June 2007
I personally would rather see the article rewritten in a more neutral tone, if in fact the content is known in a particular subculture, or rather, underground culture. I suggest a serious scrub. [[User:Christopher Mahan|Christopher Mahan]] 01:50, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC).
*[[Alessandro Antonelli]] by {{User|Young Kreisler}} started at 01:15, 23 June 2007
*[[Lethings]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 01:09, 23 June 2007
*'''Delete''': "Subculture" in this case means "whoever goes there." Glad the kids are having fun, but when that subculture ''does'' something other than talk about itself endlessly, it will have become notable. Wikipedia is not a web guide, though we might ''discuss'' the most important websites. However, we are by no means under any circumstances a forum guide. That's far beneath a website coverage, and there is no excuse for articles on forums. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 02:58, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Enguerrand Quarton]] by {{User|Johnbod}} started at 01:03, 23 June 2007
*[[Vincent Kortbeek]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 23:23, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete''': There is nothing noteworthy about this forum for anyone other than those who use it. There is no purpose in listing information about every insignificant website on the net. [[User:Rje|Rje]] 03:02, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Arno Klaassen]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 23:20, 22 June 2007
*[[Sybren Jansma]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 23:15, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. Welcome to Something Awful, the new Dartmouth. [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 03:07, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Cesar Gonzales]] by {{User|Knurftendans}} started at 23:05, 22 June 2007
*[[Cosimo Fancelli]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 22:50, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete.''' We don't need this level of detail on a single forum. Not notable outside of the site. [[User:Gwalla|<nowiki></nowiki>]] — [[User:Gwalla|Gwalla]] | [[User talk:Gwalla|Talk]] 03:18, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Caproni Ca.310]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 21:23, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete''' forum cruft. [[User:Gazpacho|Gazpacho]] 03:53, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Dario Bonetti]] by {{User|Angelo.romano}} started at 21:13, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 04:17, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
*[[USS Pinnacle (AM-274)]] by {{User|Wikited}} started at 21:01, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete''' [[User:Squash|squash]] 06:55, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC) I find the article offensive just by even looking at the title
*[[De Rays Expedition]] by {{User|Aliasd}} started at 19:45, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Jni|jni]] 15:51, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[The Test of Fire of Moses (Giorgione)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 18:12, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete''' --[[User:Lst27|Lst27]] [[User talk:Lst27|<font color=purple>(talk)</font>]] 00:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[The Judgement of Salomon (Giorgione)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 18:05, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]] 02:43, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Adoration of the Shepherds (Giorgione)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 17:55, 22 June 2007
*'''Merge back into [[Something Awful Forums]]''' from whence it came. [[User:Ashibaka|A"shii"baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|✎]] 21:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Madonna Salting]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 17:41, 22 June 2007
*'''Delete''' [[User:Sillydragon|Sillydragon]] 05:38, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[St. Jerome and Abraham panels (Antonello da Messina)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 17:13, 22 June 2007
*[[Matteo Zaccolini]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 17:10, 22 June 2007
====Comment====
*[[Ecce Homo (Antonello da Messina)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:55, 22 June 2007
*[[319th Air Refueling Wing]] by {{User|Ndunruh}} started at 16:09, 22 June 2007
Considering all of this information is also on the main [[Something Awful Forums]] page, should it be deleted from there as well? In other words, could you clarify as to whether you object against the content or the fact that it's a new page.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 03:40, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Claudius of Turin]] by {{User|Bravehearted}} started at 14:56, 22 June 2007
* Greetings again, Etaonish. Personally, as a quality-obsessed nitpicking perfectionist, I'm against FYAD having its own entry here (one SA Forums writeup is enough), and given the great length this FYAD article goes to, I'd avoid merging it with the original SA Forums entry which is already overfull. I am, however, for keeping the SA Forums writeup, but I still think it could use a little pruning (I'll see if I can get around to doing that some time over the next few weeks).
*[[Bergamaschi C-1]] by {{User|MilborneOne}} started at 14:51, 22 June 2007
*[[Santoña Agreement]] by {{User|Jmgonzalez}} started at 14:34, 22 June 2007
Was going to recommend the [[Something Awful Forums]] page for vfd, and then learned it already had been last month. Why can't we get rid of this sh*t. Most of the votes here are for delete. (15 to 1, by my quick count) If everyone who voted here, voted for delete there, it would probably work. I agree that this stuff doesn't belong, and like Chris's comment above, if the webmaster didn't make it self-explanatory, he should waste space here trying to explain himself. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 04:16, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[The Platinum Collection (Mina album)]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 13:43, 22 June 2007
*[[DanceWEB Europe]] by {{User|Paul foord}} started at 13:08, 22 June 2007
**Comment: My recollection was that the [[Something Awful Forums]] page lost VfD. However, we have a tremendous backlog on the VfD/Old page. Some new blood has volunteered to go after the backlog. There have been instances where admins have made extremely questionable decisions about consensus, and the people who clear out the weeds sometimes do the controversial ones last, but I think the article still exists because of the backlog (yes, we are '''that''' backed up; if I could understand the arcane instructions on the deletion procedures page, I'd help out) rather than the vote going its way. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 04:55, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Cremona (album)]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 12:59, 22 June 2007
**This page should be deleted for the reason that the SA Forums warrants one, and only one writeup. I don't recall the page losing VfD, at least not with the unanimous vote we're seeing here. Like the recent elections there was some controversy over the vote: The vote was initiated by [[User:Etaonish]] who it's known was displeased that his GameFAQs Forums writeup did not receive the same treatment as the [[Something Awful Forums]] writeup, which was allowed to remain as a seperate article to its main article. (This is mainly since the SA Forums are SA's most popular attribute and are famous/infamous for a great deal.) During the vote, some users who were for the deletion made unfounded accusations that a number of those against the deletion were [[sockpuppets]]. Then, one user took it upon themself to delete and redirect the writeup before the VfD voting period had ended, and as a result it was promptly restored. (I think the final vote was "Keep, but it could really, really use some cleanup")
*[[The Feast of the Gods (Bellini)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 12:38, 22 June 2007
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*[[Boves massacre]] by {{User|Hongooi}} started at 12:20, 22 June 2007
*[[Stadio Arturo Collana]] by {{User|Daddy Kindsoul}} started at 11:13, 22 June 2007
'''Comment:''' I thought I recognized ExplorerCDT and Etaonish from somewhere!
*[[Leggera]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 09:17, 22 June 2007
*ExplorerCDT is the guy who created [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Something_Awful]]
*[[Napoli (album)]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 09:08, 22 June 2007
*Etaonish is the guy who created [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Something_Awful_Forums]]
*[[Marek Hamšík]] by {{User|Weenie beenie}} started at 09:01, 22 June 2007
*Etaonish is the guy who pruned [[Something Awful Forums]] heavily despite a large number of objections, and the only reason it hasn't been rv'ed is because he apparently has a lot of free time to make edits.
*[[Eurobasket 1979]] by {{User|Zviag}} started at 08:47, 22 June 2007
I think they seem to have some sort of bias...? [[User:Ashibaka|A"shii"baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|✎]] 21:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Antonio del Duca]] by {{User|Wetman}} started at 08:39, 22 June 2007
*[[Paolo Piapan]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 08:17, 22 June 2007
:My only bias is that I think it's a crap article about a rather insignificant web forum (come on, 48,000 members. geesh, that's low for the net) that has no place on Wikipedia. Maybe I can accuse you, Ashibaka, of bias for repeatedly defending such non-encyclopedic garbage. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 21:41, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Roberto Mazzucato]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 08:14, 22 June 2007
*[[MS 1860 Munich]] by {{User|Liusteven}} started at 06:20, 22 June 2007
::On the contrary, if you take a look at http://big-boards.com/ Something Awful is #7 on the entire Internet. I think in fact Something Awful deserves an article much more than [[Gaia Online]], which despite being at #1 does not have much of its own culture or prominence.
*[[Venice (computer game)]] by {{User|JAF1970}} started at 05:54, 22 June 2007
*[[Centro Abruzzese]] by {{User|Gila11}} started at 05:25, 22 June 2007
::: I have to agree that from what I've heard of the SA forums, it's grown into more than just a discussion board about a topic, it's a definite internet community. The people there discuss all topics. They arrange a Secret Santa over Christmas. They set up elaborate schemes like the P-P-P-Powerbook counter-scam. They trade amongst each other at a form of market. They socialize, they form cliques, and on more than a few occasions hold 'goon' meetup events. The low member count is deceptive as to the board's real significance, since the boards require a $10 signup fee which dissuades a great many would-be users and allows through only those who are going to place value in their account and are unlikely to bring a detriment to the SA Forums as a whole --[[User:Jonathan Drain|Jonathan Drain]] 02:19, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Supermodelo 2006]] by {{User|Leyspot}} started at 04:59, 22 June 2007
*[[Kings of the Lombards]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 04:33, 22 June 2007
::: Do you frequent Internet forums? That's quite common. I know hundreds, if not thousands of forums that trade, that organize, and hold meetups. As a result,that has nothing to do with whether or not it belongs in Wikipedia.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 05:43, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Introitus et Exitus]] by {{User|Savidan}} started at 03:35, 22 June 2007
*[[Petruso]] by {{User|Moneyman2010mn}} started at 02:33, 22 June 2007
::We all have bias, of course, but what I meant to say was you particularly seem to dislike Something Awful and therefore shouldn't be given the final ruling over the deletion of SA-related articles. [[User:Ashibaka|A"shii"baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|✎]] 22:06, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Domine quo vadis? (Annibale Carracci)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 00:22, 22 June 2007
*[[The Flight into Egypt (Annibale Carracci)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 00:11, 22 June 2007
:::I don't have final ruling, which might be a saving grace. But, my bias isn't against Something Awful, or whatever Gaia Online is, in fact, I know very little about them to form an opinion positive or negative. Instead, it's more a disliking of the people who have taken this encyclopedia project and turned it into a hobbyist's fan guide, making articles for every Star Wars character who got even the most brief mention in some obscure book, thinking that some website only .000000005% of the modern internet-accessible world has ever seen is a universe-changing event and worthy of a mention, or that every person who has ever been on TV for more than five seconds is "notable" (despite that 45% of Americans alone have been).
*[[Veleno]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 23:04, 21 June 2007
*[[Bula Bula]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 22:55, 21 June 2007
:::So is it notable? Sure they are... but on google.
*[[Cilento]] by {{User|B771b}} started at 22:31, 21 June 2007
*[[1963 European Cup Final]] by {{User|Omar 89}} started at 21:48, 21 June 2007
:::Somewhere, in either Heaven or Hell, when he peers back at the progress of this, our transitory existence, and reads the latest article on the newest minor character in Pokemon, [[Diderot]] cries.
*[[Napoli secondo estratto]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 21:37, 21 June 2007
*[[Bula bula]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 21:26, 21 June 2007
:::No peasant in the Sudan will care how many fingers some dwarfed puppet that appeared in one episode of Sesame Street had.
*[[George Hermonymus]] by {{User|Ipodamos}} started at 21:12, 21 June 2007
*[[Bau (album)]] by {{User|Erikupoeg}} started at 20:58, 21 June 2007
:::If someone does (God forbid) they can build their own website.
*[[Bravo! Cucina Italiana]] by {{User|Chico O Frico}} started at 20:33, 21 June 2007
*[[Monteverde (Rome)]] by {{User|Mtl1969}} started at 19:39, 21 June 2007
:::Likewise, if some guy really feels the need to talk about "Fuck You and Die" there is a forum for that. Only not here.
*[[Francisco Leontaritis]] by {{User|Ipodamos}} started at 18:52, 21 June 2007
*[[Mario Pezzi]] by {{User|Joooeeeelllll}} started at 18:08, 21 June 2007
:::But, I guess I can resign myself knowing that the only saving grace for our petty human civilization is that the folks at ''Encyclopaedia Brittanica'' are far more discerning. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 23:04, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[315th Airlift Wing]] by {{User|Ndunruh}} started at 15:54, 21 June 2007
*[[Yi Zhou]] by {{User|Yizhoustudio}} started at 14:59, 21 June 2007
:::::SA is a far cry from the insigificance of a .000000005% statistic. Alexa places SomethingAwful.com and its forums at a reach of 135 per million - that's a 0.0135% statistic, which is probably even artificially low considering that it counts only users with the Alexa search bar and hence IE (Firefox is very popular amongst SA goons). It's not exactly Google (15.0000%) or Wikipedia (0.2480%) but for a paid-registration-only site, those numbers aren't entirely insignificant.
*[[Marie-Louise Rainer]] by {{User|Miller17CU94}} started at 14:07, 21 June 2007
*[[Giorgio Mazza]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 11:42, 21 June 2007
:::::Hence I think SA Forums deserves only one writeup of its own, but not a category; if you make an entry for FYAD you might as well make entries for all the other boards, and the forums do not have wide enough reach to warrant any more than one article of their own. --[[User:Jonathan Drain|Jonathan Drain]] 02:37, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Giovanni Cornacchia]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 11:37, 21 June 2007
*[[Sergio Liani]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 11:29, 21 June 2007
::::::Your statistic is incorrect. The Alexa toolbar does not affect Alexa rankings. In addition, SomethingAwful statistics refer to the whole site, including free main pages. Finally, it is important to note that it still is exceptionally low compared to other sites. Certainly not worth this writeup.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 05:43, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Marco Piochi]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 11:18, 21 June 2007
*[[Nicola Trentin]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 11:12, 21 June 2007
:::::::The Alexa toolbar to be the ''only'' thing that affects Alexa rankings - "The traffic rank is based on three months of aggregated historical traffic data from millions of Alexa Toolbar users and is a combined measure of page views and users (reach).". [http://pages.alexa.com/prod_serv/traffic_learn_more.html]
*[[Margherita Guidacci]] by {{User|Italianstudies}} started at 11:01, 21 June 2007
*[[Simone Bianchi]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 10:37, 21 June 2007
:::::::The SA statistics do refer to both the main page and the forums, but over 60% of pageviews counted by Alexa are to the forums, only 35% is to its main page and content. This, of course, is likely to be skewed, but I'm not sure by how much, by the fact that many main-page viewers are using IE on Windows while many forumgoers use alternative browsers (esp. Mozilla Firefox) or operating systems (eg. Linux) - see "Some Important Disclaimers" at [http://pages.alexa.com/prod_serv/traffic_learn_more.html Alexa's FAQ].
*[[Fausto Frigerio]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 10:33, 21 June 2007
*[[Emiliano Pizzoli]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 10:23, 21 June 2007
:::::::However, you are entirely correct to say that ''Wikipedia'' is the wrong place for an entry entitled ''Fuck You And Die''; a single [[Something Awful Forums]] entry will suffice. --[[User:Jonathan Drain|Jonathan Drain]] 13:47, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Lorenzo il Vecchio]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 10:19, 21 June 2007
*[[Andrea Giaconi]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 10:16, 21 June 2007
::::Wikipedia is not paper. [[User:Ashibaka|A"shii"baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|✎]] 23:35, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Laurent Ottoz]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 10:09, 21 June 2007
*[[Giuseppe Buttari]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 09:57, 21 June 2007
:::::True. But it ''is'' bandwidth, which is more expensive and non-renewable. --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 00:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Wally Matera]] by {{User|Crickettragic}} started at 09:48, 21 June 2007
*[[Aleksandar Kolarov]] by {{User|Laziale}} started at 08:18, 21 June 2007
::::::I imagine, then that Ashibaka would also like to have extensive pages on himself? After all, it's not paper! Let's also write an article on my keyboard and how it's dirty! Because wikipedia is not paper! And also an article on my left sock! Because wikipedia is not paper! -_- --[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 00:14, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Juan de Urtubia]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 03:01, 21 June 2007
*[[Levante (hosiery)]] by {{User|Antique Rose}} started at 23:48, 20 June 2007
:::::::You'll kindly refrain from making personal attacks in the future. I was responding to the comment about the ''Encyclopaedia Britannica''. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 02:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Lorenzo Fratellini]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 22:01, 20 June 2007
*[[Breda-Zappata BZ.308]] by {{User|MilborneOne}} started at 21:27, 20 June 2007
::::::::Your comment was clearly intended to imply that since Wikipedia is not paper, we can have much more material on it than a paper encyclopedia. I borrowed an SA technique and used sarcasm to rebut your point.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 02:40, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Monday with a Mad Genius]] by {{User|Tinafx}} started at 20:49, 20 June 2007
*[[Alessio Cardinal Ascalesi]] by {{User|LCahill}} started at 19:21, 20 June 2007
:::::::::Yes, it was. And your point? [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 02:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Federico Cervelli]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 16:49, 20 June 2007
*[[The Watch (band)]] by {{User|Geirivar}} started at 16:42, 20 June 2007
::::::::::That the principle of 'Wikipedia is not paper' can't be extended to everything. Just as articles on my sock do not belong at Wikipedia, this level of detail on SA does not belong.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 05:01, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[James of Brescia]] by {{User|Charles Matthews}} started at 15:53, 20 June 2007
*[[Charles John Gardiner, 1st Earl of Blessington]] by {{User|Neddyseagoon}} started at 15:13, 20 June 2007
:::::::::::Then you should just say your opinion instead of trying to make a joke that obscures your point. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 05:27, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Operation Venezia]] by {{User|Oberiko}} started at 14:59, 20 June 2007
*[[List of compositions by Franz Liszt (S.351 - S.999)]] by {{User|Funper}} started at 14:22, 20 June 2007
::::::::::::I made no joke. I sarcastically showed you what your idea would have led to. Apparently you weren't able to pick up on it. I'll try to keep that in mind when I talk to you in the future, and not use complex ideas.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 05:38, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[List of compositions by Franz Liszt (S.1 - S.350)]] by {{User|Funper}} started at 14:09, 20 June 2007
*[[Ferdinando Arborio Gattinara di Breme]] by {{User|Notafly}} started at 13:53, 20 June 2007
::::::Also, Ashiibaka, according to his OWN user page, "contributed the original text of Something Awful". And you accuse US of bias?--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 00:13, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[1996 European Super Cup Final]] by {{User|Latouffedisco}} started at 09:36, 20 June 2007
*[[Giovanni Antonio Sangiorgio]] by {{User|Charles Matthews}} started at 08:46, 20 June 2007
:::::::So? I didn't write that gigantic FYAD blurb we're voting on. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 02:24, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Jonni Fulcher]] by {{User|Furryboffin}} started at 07:47, 20 June 2007
*[[Sarnelli House Thailand]] by {{User|Ans-mo}} started at 07:43, 20 June 2007
::::::::We're not discussing this. This article is easily going to be deleted. We're discussing the SAF article itself, just in a different ___location. Both me and Explorer think this should be deleted from the article entirely, you disagree.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 02:40, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Scuole Grandi of Venice]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 05:11, 20 June 2007
*[[John Cersani]] by {{User|Aarondude}} started at 03:23, 20 June 2007
::::::One last thing I noticed: You claim big-boards as a source that SA is important. Big-boards is notoriously unreliable. For example: GameFAQs has had <B>180 million posts</B>. SA has 21 million. BUT GameFAQs purges its old posts every 24 hours. Hence Big-boards puts it really low.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 00:28, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[USS Cardinal (AMS-4)]] by {{User|Wikited}} started at 03:10, 20 June 2007
*[[Syntactic doubling]] by {{User|Mikkalai}} started at 00:28, 20 June 2007
:::::::You'd think if the posts were noteworthy at all they would keep them around. SA has an "Archives" feature which thousands of people have paid $10 for to read old posts. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 02:24, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[USS Tallahatchie County (LST-1154)]] by {{User|Mdhennessey}} started at 23:43, 19 June 2007
*[[Treaty of Fontainebleau (1814)]] by {{User|Deucalionite}} started at 21:51, 19 June 2007
::::::::And every archived SA post is noteworthy? Thousands of people isn't very much on the internet. Besides: GameFAQs maintains a completely free environment, something I wish Lowtax would do. "I don't solicit donations because it goes against the entire principle of the Internet - that sites like mine should be free for everybody to view and read." -Lowtax, September 2000 Even though his site receives much more traffic and undoubtedly costs much much more to run, CJayC has never made any part of the site paid-for. Imagine archiving 180 million posts. Much more difficult than archiving 21 million. This shows that the fact that they are purged is irrelevant, and therefore according to post count SA pales in comparison to GameFAQs. --[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 02:40, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Pallavicino PS-1]] by {{User|Pibwl}} started at 21:50, 19 June 2007
*[[Leonardo Ximenes]] by {{User|Jaximenes}} started at 21:36, 19 June 2007
:::::::::If I understand you correctly, you're sayign that if you don't have the bandwidth to provide something for free, it's better to delete it than to make it a paid service. I disagree with this. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 02:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Italia Blue]] by {{User|Drsfinest023}} started at 21:06, 19 June 2007
*[[Videomusic]] by {{User|Musicbox24}} started at 20:53, 19 June 2007
::::::::::No, first I never said it that way, and second you still do not get the point. An encyclopedia isn't the place for articles with no encyclopedic value. This article (and most of the SA junk on here) is a prime example. It's simple...
*[[Horacio Franco]] by {{User|Arturopr}} started at 20:46, 19 June 2007
*[[Sebastiano Ximenes]] by {{User|Jaximenes}} started at 20:41, 19 June 2007
::::::::::Premise One: Articles that don't belong, get deleted.
*[[The Triumph of Time and Truth]] by {{User|Fred sienkiewicz}} started at 20:19, 19 June 2007
::::::::::Premise Two: This article doesn't belong, as it isn't encyclopedic.
*[[Ordelafo Faliero]] by {{User|Aricamberden}} started at 18:25, 19 June 2007
::::::::::Conclusion: ''Poof!'' That sucker is deleted.
*[[Roger Mendy]] by {{User|Latouffedisco}} started at 18:10, 19 June 2007
*[[Vital I Michele]] by {{User|Aricamberden}} started at 18:05, 19 June 2007
::::::::::That's the damned point.
*[[Euroleague 2007-08]] by {{User|Ltv100}} started at 17:45, 19 June 2007
:::::::::: If you can't mentally process that simple [[modus ponens]], you can debate it...and I'd recommend you do so on the Something Awful forums.--[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 04:58, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Driver's Ten Commandments]] by {{User|TehPhil}} started at 17:32, 19 June 2007
*[[Portrait of Ugolino Martelli]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:41, 19 June 2007
:::::::::::Don't be rude. I grasp the concept of deletion, I was simply disagreeing with your idea that the article is unencyclopedic. [[User:Ashibaka|A''shii''baka]] [[User talk:Ashibaka|tlk]] 05:25, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:35, 19 June 2007
*[[Portrait of Bartolomeo Panciatichi]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:28, 19 June 2007
::::::::::::As a neutral third-party (you will see I have had no involvement with any of the SA-related pages, apart from possibly defenfing against the deletion of [[Jeff K.]]), I can tell you that an article about a single forum on a single website is certainly not encyclopaedic. IMO, there's already too much detail on the SA forums page - detail which should be on SA, not here. As I've now said thrice, this is not the place to cover for lazy webmastery by providing descriptions that by all rights should be on the site itself. [[User:Chriscf|Chris]] 07:52, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Deposition of Christ (Bronzino)]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:13, 19 June 2007
*[[Sant'Andrea degli Scozzesi]] by {{User|Zello}} started at 16:12, 19 June 2007
:::::::::::::That's a point I completely agree with. I'm tempted to edit it down to two or three paragraphs, but some schmuck like Ashi will come by and revert, like they did when Etaonish tried the other day. (Then accused him of vandalism when all he did was take out the bullshit.) --[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 15:53, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Portrait of Cosimo I de' Medici]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 16:05, 19 June 2007
*[[Ernesto Terra]] by {{User|Tomkeene}} started at 15:45, 19 June 2007
:::::::::Yes. I am. Lowtax archiving the posts isn't because they're important, but because he wants more money. Simple as that.--[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 05:01, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Mattia de Rossi]] by {{User|CARAVAGGISTI}} started at 15:17, 19 June 2007
*[[Pucci Dellanno]] by {{User|Thomaslear}} started at 14:57, 19 June 2007
To respond to your comment: I put SA Forums up for nomination, and was completely unaware he had put up SA. I don't dislike SA: I dislike the tremendous vanity pages it gets. --[[User:Etaonish|<font color="green">Etaonish</font>]] 00:00, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Girolamo Bortignon]] by {{User|Tajm}} started at 14:40, 19 June 2007
*[[Nicola Mingazzini]] by {{User|Matthew hk}} started at 13:51, 19 June 2007
From a ''neutral'' perspective, as already said, you should know what each forum is about when you actually go there. If it's not obvious from the descriptions, [[Wikipedia is not]] the place to cover up for webmasters and/or users that don't know better. We shouldn't have to describe each part of SA forums in detail - that is the job of SA itself. By all means have a simple page on the general themes on the SA forums, and some of the [[meme]]s that fly around, but we do not need a list of the available forums along with detailed histories of what goes where. [[User:Chriscf|Chris]] 04:16, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Macedonian-Carthaginian Treatise]] by {{User|Sandy Ritchie}} started at 13:42, 19 June 2007
*[[Erika Leitner]] by {{User|Miller17CU94}} started at 13:05, 19 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. Not notable. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 15:17, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Palazzo Re Enzo]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 12:47, 19 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. Not notable. [[User:Bart133|Bart133]] 21:25, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Dynamis Ensemble]] by {{User|Bruna.bruno}} started at 12:43, 19 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. This is utterly ridiculous! [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] 03:59, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Zavattari]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 12:07, 19 June 2007
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] [[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|<font color="purple">Luke</font>]] 07:30, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*[[Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo]] by {{User|Gcmarino}} started at 12:04, 19 June 2007
*'''Merge'''? Or, perhaps, delete. This is pushing it... --[[User:L33tminion|L33tminion]] | [[User talk:L33tminion|(talk)]] 05:58, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
*[[Daniele Fontecchio]] by {{User|Punkmorten}} started at 12:04, 19 June 2007
*[[Antonio Panciera]] by {{User|Charles Matthews}} started at 12:00, 19 June 2007
*'''delete''', [[wikipedia is not paper]], therefore it is '''not toilet paper'''
*[[Giuseppe Meda]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 11:54, 19 June 2007
*[[Enrico Minutoli]] by {{User|Charles Matthews}} started at 11:31, 19 June 2007
*[[Monza Cathedral]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 11:22, 19 June 2007
*[[Class CNBC]] by {{User|Ladepierma}} started at 11:05, 19 June 2007
*[[Taifals]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 04:27, 19 June 2007
*[[Pietro Pileo di Prata]] by {{User|Charles Matthews}} started at 10:30, 19 June 2007
*[[Laurence Kayaleh, violinist]] by {{User|Hkayaleh}} started at 10:18, 19 June 2007
*[[Daniele Caprelli]] by {{User|Danosoft}} started at 10:13, 19 June 2007
*[[Alberto II della Scala]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 09:54, 19 June 2007
*[[Mercè Canela]] by {{User|Gaudio}} started at 09:46, 19 June 2007
*[[Bartolomeo II della Scala]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 09:39, 19 June 2007
*[[Paolo Alboino della Scala]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 09:27, 19 June 2007
*[[Arzani-Volpini]] by {{User|Cows fly kites}} started at 09:07, 19 June 2007
*[[Giovanni Carlone]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 08:48, 19 June 2007
*[[Taddeo Carlone]] by {{User|Attilios}} started at 08:46, 19 June 2007
*[[Calendar of saints (Anglican Church of Australia)]] by {{User|ClaudineChionh}} started at 05:48, 19 June 2007
*[[Simon Atumano]] by {{User|Srnec}} started at 04:27, 19 June 2007
*[[Ruggero Oddi]] by {{User|Riffle}} started at 02:37, 19 June 2007
*[[Mark Joyella]] by {{User|B82}} started at 00:48, 19 June 2007
*[[Antonio Brucioli]] by {{User|Gwm121}} started at 23:56, 18 June 2007
*[[Treaty of Fontainebleau (1807)]] by {{User|Deucalionite}} started at 23:30, 18 June 2007
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