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'''Idabel''' is a city in [[McCurtain County, Oklahoma|McCurtain County]], [[Oklahoma]], [[United States]]. The population was 6,952 at the 2000 census. It is the [[county seat]] of [[McCurtain County, Oklahoma|McCurtain County]]{{GR|6}}.
There seems to be some disagreement on whether Joy Division refers to Aryan or Jewish women. -- [[User:v|v]]
The city was first named Pernell, then renamed for the daughters, Ida and Belle, of a Choctaw citizen on whose land the town was built.
:I'm sure it was the latter- some of the women from the concentration camps were kept by and used as prostitutes for the camp guards- these were known as the Joy Division- there was alot of controversy over Joy Division's choice of a name in the music press at the time [[User:Quercusrobur|quercus robur]]
==Geography==
::Interesting. I had always thought it was a reference to Jewish women, but then the ''24 Hour Party People'' film and reviews claimed it was "Aryan women." Maybe the filmmakers were indulging in some revisionism so their movie wouldn't be as controversial as its subject? --Anon.
[[Image:OKMap-doton-Idabel.PNG|right|Location of Idabel, Oklahoma]]
Idabel is located at {{coor dms|33|53|47|N|94|49|45|W|city}} (33.896299, -94.829238){{GR|1}}.
According to the [[United States Census Bureau]], the city has a total area of 41.3 [[km²]] (15.9 [[square mile|mi²]]). 41.3 km² (15.9 mi²) of it is land and 0.06% is water.
:Pretty sure it was Jewish women [[User:Kabads|Kabads]]
==Demographics==
I'm sure it was aryan women. Its very possible that Jewish women were also abused in a similar way. I suppose it varied from country to country and camp to camp.
As of the [[census]]{{GR|2}} of 2000, there were 6,952 people, 2,735 households, and 1,785 families residing in the city. The [[population density]] was 168.5/km² (436.3/mi²). There were 3,129 housing units at an average density of 75.8/km² (196.4/mi²). The racial makeup of the city was 56.99% [[White (U.S. Census)|White]], 24.45% [[African American (U.S. Census)|African American]], 10.44% [[Native American (U.S. Census)|Native American]], 0.30% [[Asian (U.S. Census)|Asian]], 0.01% [[Pacific Islander (U.S. Census)|Pacific Islander]], 3.37% from [[Race (United States Census)|other races]], and 4.43% from two or more races. [[Hispanic (U.S. Census)|Hispanic]] or [[Latino (U.S. Census)|Latino]] of any race were 4.96% of the population.
There were 2,735 households out of which 34.4% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 39.6% were [[Marriage|married couples]] living together, 21.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 34.7% were non-families. 31.6% of all households were made up of individuals and 12.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.45 and the average family size was 3.08.
==Accuracy dispute==
In the city the population was spread out with 29.5% under the age of 18, 9.2% from 18 to 24, 26.0% from 25 to 44, 20.7% from 45 to 64, and 14.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 34 years. For every 100 females there were 85.6 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 81.0 males.
I've just discovered that the main body of this article was replaced with a wholesale rewrite by [[User:213.48.83.6|213.48.83.6]] on January 13, and nobody seems to have paid it much notice. I came across it only because of one of possibly many mistakes in the article, the assertion that "Karol Cetinsky" wrote the book ''The House of Dolls.'' I don't know whether Cetinsky is a real person or not, but I have verified (via [http://www.bookfinder.com Bookfinder]) that the book really was written by [[Ka-Tzetnik 135633]] (pen name). So I am particularly nervous about the other "facts" in this rewritten article, especially since no new references were included. —[[User:LarryGilbert|LarryGilbert]] 21:46, 2004 Apr 28 (UTC)
The median income for a household in the city was $20,496, and the median income for a family was $24,189. Males had a median income of $24,182 versus $16,958 for females. The [[per capita income]] for the city was $12,241. About 28.7% of families and 31.3% of the population were below the [[poverty line]], including 42.5% of those under age 18 and 18.4% of those age 65 or over.
:Could "Karol Cetinsky" just be another pen-name for DeNur (Ka-Tzetnik 135633), perhaps? Maybe his stuff was published under that name in certain editions or certain countries. I don't really know, but searching Google for "Karol Cetinsky" brings up quite a lot of pages claiming that somebody of that name wrote ''The House of Dolls'', so I wouldn't be too concerned this was a concerted effort to inject incorrect info into the article. The article looks OK to me - there doesn't seem to be anything obviously wrong in it, anyway. --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]]
==External links==
I did that revision ages ago when I wasnt registered and so it was logged as a number rather than my username. Regarding the Karol Cetinsky thing, I changed it because everything Ive ever read about Joy Division, mainly from music encyclopedia's and band biographies, was that it was written by Karol Cetinsky. So I just assumed that it was the english translation of Ka-Tzetnik 135633 and changed it. The rest of the article is correct according to everything that I have read. Sorry about the confusion all of this has caused.[[User:Motown Junkie|Motown Junkie]] 16:31, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
*[http://www.idabel.lib.ok.us/ Idabel Public Library]
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:Thanks for explaining that--I've removed the factual dispute notice from the article. And thanks also for your edits :) --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]]
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==Joy Division Goths?==
[[Category:Cities in Oklahoma]]
Sorry, what? Since when? They certainly were not "marketed" as Goths. Martin Hannett might have called their music "gothic" but he was hardly their management. In any case, he almost certainly would have meant that their music was gothic in the artistic sense, rather than the black hair, black lippy, pretend you're a vampire sense. This article has been seriously POV'd by a Goth or Goths. I ask you to substantiate these claims with something a little more substantial than some website quoting Martin Hannett. I was into JD from day one and there was no way on Earth they were "viewed" as Goth then. Now might be different but tell it how it was, not how you wish it was, eh?[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 12:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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