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:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, [[Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry/Notes_for_the_accuser|read this]] for detailed instructions.''
|Name = Jim Jones
===[[User:Charlie.somerville]]===
|Img = Hustler's P.O.M.E. (Product of My Environment).jpg
;Suspected sockpuppeteer
|Background = Brown
{{user5|1=Charlie.somerville}}<br>
|Birth_name = Joseph Jimmy Guillermo Jones II
|Alias = Capo Status, One Eyed Willie, New York's Rider Man, Kufi Smacker, Mr. We Fly High
|Born = [[July 15]], [[1976]] (age 30)
|Origin = [[Harlem]], [[Manhattan]], [[New York City]], [[New York]], [[USA]]
|Genre = [[Rap]]
|Occupation = [[Rapper]]
|Years_active = [[2000]] - Present
|Label = [[Diplomat Records|Diplomat]]/[[Koch Entertainment|Koch Records]]
|Notable_albums = On My Way To Church
|URL = [http://www.capostatus.com Official Site]
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:''This article is about the rapper; see also [[Jim Jones (disambiguation)]].''
;Suspected sockpuppets
'''Jim Jones''' (born '''Joseph Jimmy Guillermo Jones II''' on [[July 15]], [[1976]] in [[Harlem]], [[Manhattan]], [[New York City]], [[New York]], [[USA]]) is a [[Puerto Rican]] and [[African American]] rapper best known as a founding member of [[The Diplomats]], also known as Dipset. He is Co-CEO of Diplomat records, which publishes Dipset's music, and is director of [[A&R]] for [[Warner Music Group]]. Jones was born in [[The Bronx|Bronx, New York]], and moved to the Taft projects [[Harlem]] at age 13. Although negating accusations regards to his [[homosexuality]] he denies it.<ref>Goias, Matt. "[http://www.massappealmag.com/article.php?id=86 Capo for a Day]". ''Mass Appeal Magazine''. Retrieved [[2006-12-20]].</ref><ref>Kwak, Donnie ([[2004-08-13]]). "[http://www.vibe.com/news/magazine_features/2004/08/vibe_magazine_next_jim_jones_gotham_city_hustler_certified/ Jim Jones - Gotham City Hustler + 'Certified Gangsta' Video]". ''Vibe Magazine''. Retrieved [[2006-12-20]].</ref>
{{user5|1=Bradlow idiot}}<br>
{{user5|1=58.107.252.48}}<br>
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==Conflicts==
'''[[User:AAA!|<span style="color:red">AAA!</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:AAA!|<span style="color:green">AAAA</span>]])</small> 03:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Jones has gotten into conflicts with several rappers from other New York neighborhoods, including [[Mase]] and [[Loon (rapper)|Loon]] from Harlem, [[Nas]] from Queensbridge, and [[Tru-Life]] from the lower East side.
===Tru-Life===
According to an interview with Tru-Life in the June/July 2006 issue of ''Complex Magazine'', rumors had spread that Tru-Life was referring to Jim Jones in his [[diss song]] "New New York". Jim Jones reportedly began calling several rappers and telling them that he had a DVD of Tru-Life dissing them. Tru-Life responded by calling Dipset co-founder [[Cam'ron]] "a bitch."<ref>http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/9142</ref>
;Evidence
Tru-Life then called out the entire [[Dipset]] crew at a [[Puerto Rican Day Parade]] after-party at [[The Roxy]] in New York City. He called them "[[Informant|snitches]]" and ridiculed their collaborations with [[West Coast Hip-Hop]] and [[Southern Rap]].<ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMTiNNUch9I</ref>
Bradlow Idiot's {{contribs|Bradlow idiot|contribs}} on my user page ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&diff=next&oldid=139874179 diff]) practically match the vandalism [[User:Charlie.somerville|Charlie.somerville]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&oldid=137551894 made] on my user page. [[User:58.107.252.48|58.107.252.48]] also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&diff=139877136&oldid=139875559 vandalised] my user page in the same pattern. If they are not sockpuppets, then I suspect them to be [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppets]].
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Jones responded by challenging Tru-Life to a brawl with US$50,000 at stake.<ref>http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/9248</ref> Tru-Life reportedly accepted the challenge, but there has been no report of an actual fight occurring.<ref>http://blogs.sohh.com/ya_heard/archives/2006/06/mase_gets_wishy.html</ref>
Looks like a match. Charlie last edited under his own name more than a week ago, and he left an apology note, so blocking his account would be pointless IMO. Bradlow idiot should be indef-blocked as a sock/vandal-only account. The IP has been firmly warned by Fram, and that should be sufficient. [[User:YechielMan|Yechiel]][[User talk:YechielMan|<span style="color:green">Man</span>]] 08:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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It isn't me. Must be one of my cronies who were around me while I was vandalising your page.<br>
Go ahead and block [[User:Bradlow idiot|Bradlow idiot]] but don't mark it against my account.
[[User:Charlie.somerville|Charlie.somerville]] 03:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
;Conclusions
===Jay-Z===
I took a closer look, and I believe that Charlie is innocent. A friendly word of advice to Charlie: it's not a good idea to edit other people's userpages without their permission to write dirty jokes. Even though you reverted it without a fuss, you should not have done it in the first place.
Jones' beef with Tru-Life may have stemmed from [[Cam'Ron#Feud with Jay-Z|a dispute]] between Cam'ron and [[Jay-Z]], as Tru-Life is signed to Jay-Z's [[Roc-La-Familia]] label. Jim Jones has also dissed Jay-Z's performance as president of [[Def Jam Recordings]].<ref>Chery, Carl ([[2005-08-26]]). "[http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/7470 Jim Jones' Greasy Jay-Z Talk]". ''SOHH.com''. Retrieved [[2006-12-20]].</ref>
I checked Charlie's editing pattern in the contribution log. He tends to make a few edits in a day, then disappear for two or three weeks, then return for a few more edits. His last edit had been on June 12. Then he returns on June 26, makes three ordinary edits as if nothing happened, and comes to defend himself in this case.
Jay-Z has since responded with a [[diss track]] called "Brooklyn High" over the beat from Jones's "[[We Fly High]]".<ref name="BROOKLYN">[http://www.latinrapper.com/jay_z_brooklyn_high_diss_lyrics.html "Jay-Z Disses Jim Jones" Brooklyn High Lyrics]</ref> On December 1st, 2006, [[BET]]'s Access Granted debuted the video for Jones's "We Fly High" remix, with [[Diddy]], [[Bryan Williams (businessman)|Baby]], [[T.I.]], [[Young Dro]], and added [[Juelz Santana]]'s verse from his response on the "We Fly High Beef Mix".
Bradlow idiot came along on June 22 and made a throwaway edit to revert to the last vandalism version by Charlie. In order to do that, he needed to be a sockpuppet of ''someone'' - newbies don't know how to navigate page history and revert on their first edit - but that doesn't establish ''whom'' he is impersonating. It could be someone else.
Jones later thanked Jay-Z on [[BET]]'s [[106 & Park]] for "falling into the booby trap," claiming that "Jay made me even more famous."{{citationneeded}}
It just doesn't make sense to me that Charlie would vandalize as a joke, ''revert his own vandalism'', apologize to [[User:AAA!]] on his talk page, and come back ten days later to revert to the vandalism version. It's totally irrational on many levels.
===Tony Yayo===
Jim Jones also has a beef with [[Tony Yayo]]. This began when Yayo responded to Jones' "We Fly High" hook "Ballin'!" with "Boring!". At the end of the [[We Fly High]] remix video Jones is seen waving his hand across his face, mocking Tony Yayo.
Charlie, I'm willing to give you a free pass on this as long as you behave yourself and avoid vandalizing pages, even if it's just a joke (unless you wish to fool around in the [[WP:SANDBOX]]. I suppose we could do a checkuser, but I don't think it's necessary.
==Discography==
===Albums===
*''[[On My Way to Church]]'' 2004 (Sales: 328,710)
*''[[Harlem: The Diary of a Summer]]'' 2005 #5(US) (Sales: 338,700)
[[Image:Hustler's P.O.M.E. (Product of My Environment).jpg|right|thumb|''Hustler's P.O.M.E. (Product of My Environment)'']]
*''[[Hustler's P.O.M.E. (Product of My Environment)]]'' 2006 #6 (US) (Sales: 415, 000)<ref>http://www.urbanconnects.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=315</reF>
*''[[A Dipset X-Mas]] 2006
{Disclosure: I am YechielMan above. I changed my usernaeme.) [[User:Shalom|Shalom]] <sup>[[User talk:Shalom|Hello]]</sup> 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
===Chart history<!-- See talk page for reference -->===
{| class="wikitable" width=40%
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|Year
!align="left" valign="top"|Song
!align="center" valign="top" |<small>[[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks]]</small>
!align="left" valign="top"|Album
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2004]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Certified Gangstas]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|80
|align="left" valign="top"|''On My Way to Church''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2004]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"Crunk Muzik"
|align="center" valign="top"|84
|align="left" valign="top"|''On My Way to Church''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2005]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"Baby Girl"
|align="center" valign="top"|58
|align="left" valign="top"|''Harlem: Diary of a Summer''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2005]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"Summer Wit Miami" featuring [[Trey Songz]]
|align="center" valign="top"|78
|align="left" valign="top"|''Harlem: Diary of a Summer''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2005]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"What You Been Drankin On" (featuring [[Paul Wall]], [[Jha'Jha]] & [[P. Diddy]])
|align="center" valign="top"| -
|align="left" valign="top"|''Harlem: Diary of a Summer''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2006]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[We Fly High]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|4 <!--It reached 2 on Hot Rap Tracks, but only 4 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, this table uses Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs -->
|align="left" valign="top"|''Hustler's P.O.M.E.''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2006]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Reppin' Time]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|
|align="left" valign="top"|''Hustler's P.O.M.E.''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|[[2006]]
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Respect My Grind]] (featuring [[Kinfolk Kia $hine]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|
|align="left" valign="top"|Testimony:The Album''
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:The friend explanation actually makes sense here, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt this time around, given that Charlie.somerville has been editing constructively. Charlie, if you just want a page to screw around with, you can create a subpage in your userspace (such as [[User:Charlie.somerville/sandbox]]) and do whatever test edits you like to it. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 00:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
==References==
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This can make sense actually. You might not know, but me and Charlie know each other in person, and we also go to the same school. I saw Charlie on Wikipedia, and he had the vandalised diff on a separate notepad document (this was before he apologized to me, by the way). It is possible that he may have given that to his friends, and they created accounts, edited the page, and replaced it with the vandalised edit that was on the doc. So it's possible that they could be [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppets]] or even just [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|single-purpose accounts]]. Hope that shined some light on that.
==External links==
*[http://www.capostatus.com Official Website]
*[http://www.dipsetmixtapes.com/ Diplomats Website]
*[http://www.myspace.com/jimjones/ Jim Jones Official MySpace Page]
And Charlie, I'd like to let you know that I'm not doing this for revenge; I'm doing it because you broke some of Wikipedia's rules, such as [[WP:VAND|this]], [[WP:NPA|this]], and possibly [[WP:SOCK|this]]; and it alerted my suspicions since those edits on my page were practically the same ones you made. Heck, if it was someone in Canada who did the exact same thing on my user page, I'd still have taken the same measures that I took against you. If I wanted revenge, I would've talked to you in person or something similar, and not get Wikipedia involved (because there's no point to do it on Wikipedia when we can simply do it in person). Hope there are no hard feelings between us. --'''[[User:AAA!|<span style="color:red">AAA!</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:AAA!|<span style="color:green">AAAA</span>]])</small> 00:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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