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''For the Stoke City football player of the same name, see [[Clint Hill (footballer)]]''

:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, [[Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry/Notes_for_the_accuser|read this]] for detailed instructions.''

===[[User:Charlie.somerville]]===

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'''Clinton J. Hill''' (born 1932) was a [[United States Secret Service]] agent who was in the presidential motorcade during the [[John F. Kennedy assassination]]. After Kennedy was shot, Hill ran from the car immediately behind the presidential limousine and leapt onto the back of it, holding on while the car raced to [[Parkland Memorial Hospital]].

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Hill joined the Denver Office in 1958. After [[John F. Kennedy]] was elected [[President of the United States]], he was assigned to protect the [[First Lady]], [[Jacqueline Kennedy]]. Hill became a nationally-known figure during the assassination of President Kennedy on [[November 22, 1963]].

'''[[User:AAA!|<span style="color:red">AAA!</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:AAA!|<span style="color:green">AAAA</span>]])</small> 03:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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==The assassination==

Bradlow Idiot's {{contribs|Bradlow idiot|contribs}} on my user page ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&diff=next&oldid=139874179 diff]) practically match the vandalism [[User:Charlie.somerville|Charlie.somerville]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&oldid=137551894 made] on my user page. [[User:58.107.252.48|58.107.252.48]] also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AAA%21&diff=139877136&oldid=139875559 vandalised] my user page in the same pattern. If they are not sockpuppets, then I suspect them to be [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppets]].

The assassination took place in [[Dallas]], [[Texas]] during a Presidential motorcade through the city while en route to a luncheon at the Dallas Trade Mart. The President and Mrs. Kennedy were riding in an open limousine containing three rows of seats. The Kennedys were in the rear seat of the car, and the [[Governor of Texas]], [[John Connally]], and his wife, [[Nellie Connally]], were in the middle row. A Secret Service agent was driving and the president's bodyguard, Roy Kellerman, was also in the front seat.

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Clint Hill was riding in the car that was immediately behind the presidential limousine. As soon as the shooting began, Hill jumped out and began running to overtake the moving car in front of him with the plan to climb on from the rear bumper and crawl over the trunk to the back seat where the stricken President and frightened First Lady were located. The limousine slowed to a near stop for a brief moment, and this allowed Hill to grab a small handrail on the left rear of the trunk that was normally used by bodyguards to stabilize themselves while standing on small platforms on the rear bumper. Hill heard another gunshot and saw a portion of the President’s head blown away. The driver, agent [[William Greer]], then sped up causing the car to slip away from Hill, who was in the midst of trying to leap on to it. He somehow succeeded in regaining his footing and jumped on to the back of the quickly accelerating vehicle.

Looks like a match. Charlie last edited under his own name more than a week ago, and he left an apology note, so blocking his account would be pointless IMO. Bradlow idiot should be indef-blocked as a sock/vandal-only account. The IP has been firmly warned by Fram, and that should be sufficient. [[User:YechielMan|Yechiel]][[User talk:YechielMan|<span style="color:green">Man</span>]] 08:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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It isn't me. Must be one of my cronies who were around me while I was vandalising your page.<br>

Go ahead and block [[User:Bradlow idiot|Bradlow idiot]] but don't mark it against my account.

[[User:Charlie.somerville|Charlie.somerville]] 03:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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As he got on, he saw Mrs. Kennedy, apparently in shock, crawling onto the flat rear trunk of the moving limousine [[http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z369.jpg]]and attempting to retrieve parts of her husband’s head that had been blown out. Agent Hill crawled to her, grabbed her hand, and guided the First Lady back into her seat. He then placed his body above the President and Mrs. Kennedy. Meanwhile, in the folding jump seats directly in front of them, Mrs. Connally had pulled her wounded husband to a prone position on her lap.

I took a closer look, and I believe that Charlie is innocent. A friendly word of advice to Charlie: it's not a good idea to edit other people's userpages without their permission to write dirty jokes. Even though you reverted it without a fuss, you should not have done it in the first place.

I checked Charlie's editing pattern in the contribution log. He tends to make a few edits in a day, then disappear for two or three weeks, then return for a few more edits. His last edit had been on June 12. Then he returns on June 26, makes three ordinary edits as if nothing happened, and comes to defend himself in this case.

Agent Kellerman, in the front seat of the car, gave orders over the car’s two-way radio to the lead vehicle in the procession "To the nearest hospital, quick." Hill was shouting as loud as he could "To the hospital, to the hospital."

Bradlow idiot came along on June 22 and made a throwaway edit to revert to the last vandalism version by Charlie. In order to do that, he needed to be a sockpuppet of ''someone'' - newbies don't know how to navigate page history and revert on their first edit - but that doesn't establish ''whom'' he is impersonating. It could be someone else.

As the car moved at high speed to the hospital, Hill maintained his position shielding the couple with his body, and was looking down at the mortally wounded President. Agent Hill later testified:

It just doesn't make sense to me that Charlie would vandalize as a joke, ''revert his own vandalism'', apologize to [[User:AAA!]] on his talk page, and come back ten days later to revert to the vandalism version. It's totally irrational on many levels.

<blockquote>The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car.</blockquote>

Charlie, I'm willing to give you a free pass on this as long as you behave yourself and avoid vandalizing pages, even if it's just a joke (unless you wish to fool around in the [[WP:SANDBOX]]. I suppose we could do a checkuser, but I don't think it's necessary.

<blockquote>Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head. [http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_c.htm] </blockquote>

{Disclosure: I am YechielMan above. I changed my usernaeme.) [[User:Shalom|Shalom]] ^{[[User talk:Shalom|Hello]]} 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The limousine then rapidly exited [[Dealey Plaza]] and sped to [[Parkland Memorial Hospital]], only minutes away, followed by other vehicles in the motorcade.

:The friend explanation actually makes sense here, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt this time around, given that Charlie.somerville has been editing constructively. Charlie, if you just want a page to screw around with, you can create a subpage in your userspace (such as [[User:Charlie.somerville/sandbox]]) and do whatever test edits you like to it. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 00:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Although the Secret Service was shocked at its failure to protect the life of President Kennedy, virtually everyone agreed that Clint Hill's rapid and brave actions had been without blemish. He was honored at a ceremony in Washington just days after the funeral of John F. Kennedy. Mrs. Kennedy, despite being in deep mourning, made a rare appearance at this same event to personally thank him.

This can make sense actually. You might not know, but me and Charlie know each other in person, and we also go to the same school. I saw Charlie on Wikipedia, and he had the vandalised diff on a separate notepad document (this was before he apologized to me, by the way). It is possible that he may have given that to his friends, and they created accounts, edited the page, and replaced it with the vandalised edit that was on the doc. So it's possible that they could be [[WP:MEAT|meatpuppets]] or even just [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|single-purpose accounts]]. Hope that shined some light on that.

==In fiction==

In the ''[[Quantum Leap]]'' episode "Lee Harvey Oswald," Sam Beckett is shown leaping into Clint Hill only moments before the assassination takes place. As such, he is the one to get on the presidential limousine, only leaping out again after arriving at Parkland Memorial Hospital.

And Charlie, I'd like to let you know that I'm not doing this for revenge; I'm doing it because you broke some of Wikipedia's rules, such as [[WP:VAND|this]], [[WP:NPA|this]], and possibly [[WP:SOCK|this]]; and it alerted my suspicions since those edits on my page were practically the same ones you made. Heck, if it was someone in Canada who did the exact same thing on my user page, I'd still have taken the same measures that I took against you. If I wanted revenge, I would've talked to you in person or something similar, and not get Wikipedia involved (because there's no point to do it on Wikipedia when we can simply do it in person). Hope there are no hard feelings between us. --'''[[User:AAA!|<span style="color:red">AAA!</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:AAA!|<span style="color:green">AAAA</span>]])</small> 00:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:United States Secret Service Agents|Hill, Clint]]

[[Category:1932 births|Hill, Clint]]

[[Category:Living people|Hill, Clint]]

[[Category:John F. Kennedy assassination|Hill, Clint]]

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