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===[[User:Lar]]===
| Name = Ville Valo
'''Nomination started on 10:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC).''' <br />
| Img = Ville_Valo.jpg
'''Discussion will last for four days after that (until 10:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)).'''<br />
| Background = solo_singer
'''A straw-poll will last for three days after that (until 10:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)).'''
| Birth_name = Ville Hermanni Valo
| Born = {{birth_date_and_age|1976|11|22}}<br/><small>[[Vallila]], [[Finland]]</small>
| Died =
| Origin = Finland
| Instrument = [[Vocals]],[[Bass guitar|Bass]],[[Drums]],[[Guitar]],[[Piano]].
| Genre = [[HIM (band)#Genre|Debated]] |
| Occupation = [[Singer]], [[Songwriter]]
| Years_active = [[1983 in music|1983]] - Present
| Label =
| Associated_acts = [[HIM (band)|HIM]]
[[Daniel Lioneye]]
| URL = [http://www.heartagram.com/ Official website]
}}
'''Ville Hermanni Valo''' ({{Audio|Fi-Ville_Valo.ogg|pronunciation}}) (born [[November 22]], [[1976]]) is the [[vocalist]], [[songwriter]] and frontman of the [[Finland|Finnish]] [[Rock music|rock]] band [[HIM (band)|HIM]]. They have released five full length albums, and as of [[2006]], they are the first and only Finnish rock band to sell Gold in the [[United States]].
 
==Early life==
{{User|Lar}}, if you accept the nomination, please sign here:
Valo was born to a [[Finland|Finnish]] father named Kari and a mother of [[Hungarian people|Hungarian]] descent named Anita in a small suburb of Helsinki called [[Vallila]]. As a child, Ville was influenced by his music-loving parents, who exposed him to the songs of popular Finnish performers such as [[Tapio Rautavaara]] and [[Rauli Badding Somerjoki]], while an older cousin introduced him to the heavier sounds of bands like [[KISS (band)|KISS]], [[Black Sabbath]] and [[Iron Maiden]]. Valo's first musical step was as a three year old [[bongo drum|bongo]] drummer. At age nine, Valo attended the Pop and Jazz Conservatory in [[Helsinki]], where he studied several different musical genres. His father eventually opened a [[sex shop]] where Valo often worked before launching his career in music. Valo's father's [[sex shop]] is still in business today and doing well, according to interviews with Valo. His interests gradually expanded to include [[reggae]], early [[blues]] and country-oriented material such as [[Johnny Cash]], [[Roy Orbison]] and [[Neil Young]]. From a young age, Valo's enthusiasm for music also took a more active form of expression, and he participated in a large number of different Helsinki-based bands: B.L.O.O.D. (1986-89), Eloveena Boys (1987-88), Kemoterapia (1989-97) and numerous other, more obscure projects.
 
==Side Projects==
With the understanding that this isn't a REAL nomination (if it passes I will decline to serve at this point as I haven't the necessary experience. But I have high hopes for comments, both positive and negative, being offered as if it were real, because I will benefit from the comments), I accept ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 12:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Apart from working with HIM, and side-project [[Daniel Lioneye]], Valo has kept busy in the music world, collaborating with many artists over the years. He contributed guest vocals for The 69 Eyes, on [[Apocalyptica]]'s album ''[[Apocalyptica (album)|Apocalyptica]]'' for the song "Bittersweet" (with [[The Rasmus]]' singer [[Lauri Ylönen]]), on [[The Bloodhound Gang]]'s ''[[Hefty Fine]]'' for the song "Something Diabolical", and on [[Cradle of Filth]]'s ''[[Thornography]]'' for the song "The Byronic Man". In 2007 he duetted with Polish German actress [[Natalia Avelon]] for a cover of [[Nancy Sinatra]] and [[Lee Hazlewood]]'s song "Summer Wine", part of the ''[[Das Wilde Leben]]'' soundtrack. A video featuring both was recorded as well.
 
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==== Narrative structure ====
'''''Below is a list of Valo's side projects and collaborations.'''''
The following section is intended to allow editors unfamiliar with the nominee to make an informed decision regarding promotion. Any editor is welcome to make additions, make changes, or remove items, as long as they are [[WP:NPOV|unbiased]] and [[WP:V|verifiable]]. Harmonious editing is essential, and use of the [[Wikipedia_talk:Discussions_for_adminship/Lar|talk page]] highly recommended. Please ''do not sign'' any comments in this section. [[m:Help:Diff|Diffs]] are strongly encouraged, and presentation of items in chronological order is preffered.
* ''[[Skreppers]] & Ville Valo (1995)
* ''[[Apocalyptica]] & Ville Valo (1996)
* ''[[The 69 Eyes]] & Ville Valo (1997)
* ''[[Tehosekoitin]] & Ville Valo (1999)
* ''The 69 Eyes & Ville Valo (1999)
* ''[[Neljä Ruusua]] & HIM (1999)
* ''[[Agents]]& Ville Valo - Paratiisi, Jykevää On Rakkaus, Ikkunaprinsessa(1999)
* ''[[Tributti Tuomari Nurmio]]: Ville Valo & Others (2000)
* ''[[The 69 Eyes]] & Ville Valo (2000)
* ''[[Musta Paraati]], Ville Valo, Gas Lipstick & Others (2001)
* ''[[Daniel Lioneye And The Rollers]]/Daniel Lioneye And The Blues Explosion (2001)
* ''[[The 69 Eyes]] & Thulsa Doom (2001)
* ''[[Five Fifteen]] & Ville Valo - The Prostitue & Season Of The Witch (2001)
* ''[[The 69 Eyes]] & Ville Valo (2002)
* ''[[The Skreppers]], Ville Valo, [[Migé Amour]] & [[Lily Lazer]] (2002)
* ''[[The Mission]] & Ville Valo (2002)
* ''[[Lowemotor Corporation]] & Ville Valo - Love Me (2003/2004)
* ''[[The Skreppers]] & Ville Valo (2004)
* ''[[The 69 Eyes]] & Ville Valo - Beneath the Blue (2004)
* ''[[Apocalyptica]] feat. Ville Valo & Lauri Ylönen - Bittersweet (2004) (FIN: #1, D: #6)
* ''Two Witches & Ville Valo - Dracula Rising (2005)
* ''[[Bloodhound Gang]] feat. Ville Valo - Something Diabolical (2005)
* ''[[Isabelle´s Gift]] feat. Ville Valo - If I Die Tonight (2006)
* ''[[Cradle of Filth]] feat. Ville Valo - The Byronic Man (2006)
* ''Ville Valo & [[Tommi Viksten]] - Kun Minä Kotoani Läksin (2006)
* ''[[Kari Tapio]] & Ville Valo - Tällä Pohjantähden Alla (2006)
* ''Ville Valo & [[Natalia Avelon]] - Summer Wine (2007) (FIN: #1, D: #2, AU: #4, CH: #2)
* ''Ville Valo & Manna - Just for Tonight (2007) ==
 
==[[HIM (band)|HIM]]==
===== Actions of nominee =====
{{main|HIM (band)}}
(Initially written by Lar, Others should feel free to expand/correct/elaborate as needed, Lar will not make further changes, the community will decide where this ends up.)
 
==Trivia==
Lar (Larry Pieniazek) has been editing since [[8 June]] [[2005]].
{{Trivia|date=June 2007}}
[[Image:Kerranghim.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Ville Valo on the cover on Kerrang! magazine.]]
*[[Bam Margera]]'s character in the 2003 movie ''[[Haggard: The Movie|Haggard]]'' is named after Ville Valo.<ref name="imdb">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm</ref>
*He makes a very small appearance in ''[[Jackass: Number Two]]''.<ref name="imdb" />
*He was voted as #13 on a television program in which people voted for who they thought were the greatest Finns of all time<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suuret_suomalaiset]</ref>
*He can also be seen in clips of episodes from [[Viva La Bam]] while they were in Finland.
*He has a number of tattoos, including a pair of [[Edgar Allan Poe]]'s eyes on his shoulder blades.<ref>[http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-valo.htm VILLE VALO TATTOO PICS PHOTOS]</ref>
*He learned to walk with the help of the family dog Sami, and when the dog died, not only was he extremely upset, he also apparently developed his allergies to animals and [[asthma]] at the same time.<ref>http://www.tv.com/ville-valo/person//trivia.html</ref>
*He smokes about 60 cigarettes a day (around 21,900 a year) to give his voice a gruff, husky edge.<ref>http://www.tobacco.org/news/.html</ref>
*Valo is an avid reader and has indicated that he draws a large influence for his music from the books that he has read. Among his favorite authors he includes Finnish writer, [[Timo K. Mukka]], and American writers [[Edgar Allan Poe]] and [[Charles Bukowski]].
*Ville appears in the music video "Wasting the Dawn" by The 69 Eyes as Jim Morrison of The Doors.
* A song that he wrote "Passion's Killing Floor" on the new Album [[Venus Doom]] will appear on the [[Transformers soundtrack]].
 
==References==
Lar has had 6 articles that he authored make it to [[WP:DYK]] status([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lar&diff=37350597&oldid=37291364], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lar&diff=36276446&oldid=36195021], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lar&diff=33831826&oldid=33820939], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lar&diff=33651960&oldid=33648715], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lar&diff=32938758&oldid=32861617]) while still managing to be primarily a [[m:metawikipedian]]. His involvement in the Wikipedia namespace started with the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Checkerboard Nightmare|deletion discussion ]] on [[Checkerboard Nightmare]] and he scuffled with several other editors during the course of that discussion and the subsequent [[WP:RfAr]].
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==External links==
Lar has been active in many proposal discussions including [[Wikipedia:3D Illustrations]], [[Wikipedia:Proposed policy on userboxes]] (where he instigated a refactoring effort and tried hard to keep discussion on track), and [[Wikipedia:Wheel war]] among others. He is a member of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bridges]], and many of his articles contributed so far have been related to bridges or bridge architects. Although he is an active participant in [[WP:AFD]] only one of his articles has ever been nominated, [[Pghbridges.com]]. It [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pghbridges.com|survived]] but Lar was chided for not assuming good faith by the [[User_talk:RasputinAXP#Altavista_inbound_link_counter|nominator]] in a somewhat acrimonious exchange that spilt over from the article's AfD page and talk page to several other user pages ([[User_talk:JzG/Archive5#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pghbridges.com]]) among others, something he never apologised for.
*[http://www.nndb.com/people/266/000030176 Ville Valo] at Notable Names Database
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1204517 Ville Valo] at Internet Movie Database
*[http://www.heartagram.com Official website] of [[HIM (band)|HIM]]
*[http://www.sweetville.net Ukrainian HIM website] of [[HIM (band)|HIM]]
*[http://www.himonline.tv UK HIM website] of [[HIM (band)|HIM]]
 
{{HIM}}
Somewhat controversially, he has taken the stand that it is useful to catalog his [[User:Lar#beliefs|beliefs]] on his user page.
 
{{DEFAULTSORT:Valo, Ville}}
'''Non Wikipedia experience:'''
[[Category:1976 births]]
He has previous organizational and online experience including a long and somewhat checkered history as a community activist in the [[LEGO]] hobby, having been an administrator at [[LUGNET]] (all the administrators resigned at once to protest lack of involvement by the owners), a moderator at [[BrickWiki:BrickLink]] (forced out after losing confidence of the owner), one of the key organizers of [[BrickWiki:BrickFest]], and a founder of [[BrickWiki:ILTCO]] (a LEGO train club umbrella organization) and [[BrickWiki:Guild of Bricksmiths]] (a guild for custom kit designers). He is one of the top 3 or 4 contributors at [[BrickWiki:Main Page|BrickWiki]], a mediawiki based resource for all things LEGO, having authored (or <s>stolen</s> adapted from here) many of the templates in use there, although he declined to serve as an admin. Lar has been active online since the 1980s. He ran a dialup [[Bulletin board system|BBS]] from 1990 to 1994 and was president of a 700 member PC club for several years during that period. He also moderated several discussions on the IBMPC conferencing disk (an internal discussion resource at [[IBM]]) and administered IBMEDS, another one. Professionally he is a IT consultant and system architect, involved with many clients, often acrimoniously, where he has to use his facilitation skills to determine the needs and desires of diverse constituencies.
[[Category:HIM]]
[[Category:Finnish singers]]
[[Category:People from Helsinki]]
[[Category:Living people]]
 
[[bg:Виле Вало]]
====Questions for the candidate====
[[cs:Ville Valo]]
*'''Q1'''. ''What do you think are the three best questions we could ask you, as nominee?''
[[da:Ville Valo]]
** ooh, tough question.. I actually like the ones used in the current process. Some additional off the cuff (am at work so can't spend too much time on this) and with revision/extension later:
[[de:Ville Valo]]
# WHY do you want to be an admin?
[[es:Ville Valo]]
# How do you respond to criticism or sharp elbows, and why don't previous scuffles show that you're not suitable?
[[fr:Ville Valo]]
# How much time do you have to devote to admining?
[[it:Ville Valo]]
#:I would rephrase this to "what ''percentage'' of your time...". This would indicate whether a user was intent on playing admin, or cleaning up. {{unsigned|Alphax|04:37, 9 February 2006 }}
[[nl:Ville Valo]]
#::Nod. I'd say that I would want to spend no more than 20-25% of my time here on straight admin tasks, if that. I like to participate in metadiscussion, and to write articles (although my article output lately has been atrocious!) and you don't need to be an admin to do that (although it helps give perspective. An analogy: In real life I'm a system architect, and often give advice to project managers... I don't have to have BEEN a project manager to give advice but it really helps (and I have been one, actually)... so being an admin and having done at least some few instances of all the tasks will make me better [[m:metawikipedian|metawikipedian]]) ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 04:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[[ja:ヴィッレ・ヴァロ]]
# What parts of admining would you be likely to spend most time on?
[[no:Ville Valo]]
#: XfD closing, particularly thorny ones where judging consensus was tough, once I got good at that. Reverting vandals no longer needs adminship now that godmode light is available, and I'd only block if I happened to be involved in a revert of a pernicious vandal, or if I could block a friend and do it more graciously than anyone else could, if I thought that was the case. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 04:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[[uz:Ville Valo]]
# What parts of admining do you dislike, and why? How would they get done?
[[pl:Ville Valo]]
# Can you provide specific examples of where you upheld the 5 pillars?
[[pt:Ville Valo]]
#:Can you define what each of the pillars means to you?{{unsigned|Alphax|04:37, 9 February 2006 }}
[[ro:Ville Hermanni Valo]]
#::*'''Wikipedia is an encyclopedia''': This is a big guide to what WP is NOT, as well as a guide to how articles should be written. We must avoid the temptation to accumulate cruft, yet we must also be embracing of anything that some small set of readers might want to find. We must write in a way that is accessible to all, and we must tailor our writing to those who want a quick hit, as well as those who want to drink deeply.
[[sk:Ville Valo]]
#::*'''Wikipedia uses the "neutral point-of-view"''': This is a non negotiable requirement that we make sure that all sides are presented, with appropriate weight to their acceptance and importance, without taking a stand. Present the facts and let the reader draw their conclusion. Seek to avoid POV pushing, and work with those that do to seek consensus, and help shape their writing to remove it, and help them become better editors
[[sl:Ville Valo]]
#::*'''Wikipedia is free content''': This is a philosophical point... you don't own your work here, anyone can improve it (or use it elsewhere for nefarious purposes!), and information is provided for the benefit of all man kind. It is also a procedural one... we must not violate the licenses of anyone in what we gather or create, and we must appropriately license our work so that it stays GFDLable, even under forks.
[[fi:Ville Valo]]
#::*'''Wikipedia follows the writers' rules of engagement''': I can't do better than what it says. Be civil, be collegial, seek consensus, seek compromise, seek to come away friends even if you disagree with someone. I think I've done pretty well with that. There are some I suspect dislike me but I'd like to think I have good relationships even with them.
[[sv:Ville Valo]]
#::*'''Wikipedia doesn't have firm rules''': I am a process wonk, and this is the hardest of all of them to get my head around. I like rules and process as I think it means fairness. I prefer an environment where it's clear what the boundaries are, where the scope and deliverables are clear, where it is clear where the authority and funding lie. WP is none of that. Yet it works, we are fast closing on 1M articles... Jimbo says the purpose here is not to be a social experiment. Yet, it is one, anyway. I find that fascinating. I want to do my best to work within this philosophy but expect that people will sometimes call me on where I slip up. But, that said, I am not someone that feels that [[WP:IAR]] means anything goes. Process (which we arrive at here via consensus) is nevertheless important. Go against it only in emergencies and expect to be called on it by the community.
[[tr:Ville Valo]]
#::above by ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 04:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
#*Interaction with newbies that assisted them to become better wikipedians?
#*Effective interaction with experienced wikipedians, showing that your ideas are beneficial to the discussions at hand?
#*Participation in contentious processes such as AfD and RfAr that either demonstrates ability to cogently advocate positions, ability to add new and useful information, ability to admit error, and in general graceful usefulness?
# What else in your previous (non or on) Wikipedia experience is actually relevant or predictive of your approach to admining?
:Er, that's 7. I guess 1, 6 and 7 are the top 3. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 15:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
*'''Q2'''. ''Admins are expected to bear criticism every once in a while. How do you "grade" your response to criticism, and what do you consider is the most important thing to do when an admin decision of yours is criticized?''
*:And particularly ''sharp'' criticism (it happens!)?{{unsigned|Alphax|04:37, 9 February 2006 }}
**Another good question! Using the conventional "ABCD,Fail" scale I'd say my response to criticism is at best a C+... I get too defensive too early. It is far easier to recognise this failing in others than it is to recognise it in one's own self. This has been a major failing of mine in previous admin endeavours. Given that, the most important thing when criticized is determine the home address of the criticizer in [[ICBM coordinate]]s so an appropriate response can be delivered...er, no! The most important thing to do is to listen carefully to the criticism, assume good faith unless evidence clearly suggests otherwise, try to understand the point of view and concerns of the criticiser, examine the actions in that light and respond in an appropriate manner. Sometimes an indepth response is best. Sometimes a terser response is best (if the question is repetitive, for example, and was already addressed, or wildly off topic). Sometimes no response at all is best (if the comment is trollish and trying to provoke, for example). Knowing which size is appropriate is not easy. In any case the respose should be polite, should not use jargon excessivly, and should not be flippant. A good admin must balance the concerns of the community with the need for solidarity among admins, (admins should not indulge in excessive public infighting, for example, there is a place for private discussion, and further, excessive defensiveness can be bad, best to articulate principles rather than defend in detail) and with the need for openness while still being sensitive to the concerns of participants (too much transparency could invade privacy of some participants, or even hurt the feelings of those who had adverse impact from the decision). Oh, and terseness is a virtue too. I meant to write a shorter answer but ran out of time so you're stuck with this longish one. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 20:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
*:As for sharp criticism, I think a D is about all I can muster there. An area for improvement to be sure. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 04:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 
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