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[[Image:Ventoux Nordseite Schnee unterhalb des Gipfels.jpg|Thumb|right|200px|Mount Ventoux]]
==Paradox==
Is it worth mentioning the comic book nerd paradox of "what would happen if the Unstoppable Juggernaut ran into the Unmoveable Blob? While most of us agree Jugernaut's magic power overrides the Blobs.... this paradox is often time used by X-Men buffs to define a super powered paradox.
==Image of Juggernaut==
That's a pretty lame picture of Juggernaut. I believe it would be worth considering obtaining a better one.
'''Birth of Alpinism''' is the start of the concept of modern day mountain climbing for the sport.<ref>[http://www.koreaontherocks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445 History of First Ascents]</ref><ref>[http://www.localescapes.com/marketing/pages/Mountaineering-History-4511.html Mountaineering History]</ref><ref>[http://www.lottery-news.net/dust6984-mountaineer_accessories.html Mountaineer Definitions and Statistics]</ref><ref>Petrarch's letter dated April 26, 1336, had been declared as the [http://www.sbg.ac.at/ges/people/rohr/nsk2002.htm beginning of alpinism].Man and nature in the Middle Ages - Lecture at Novosibirsk State University 2002
Remember the Picture of the Juggernaut before this one? Where he is on top of a car and is smashing it? There were mountains in the backround? Can we change it back to that one? That one is the best pic of the Juggernaut.
Christian ROHR, University of Salzburg, Austria; page 3.</ref> [[Francesco Petrarch]] is regarded as the "Father of Alpinism"<ref>[http://s24.realgolfonline.org/rockclimbingalabama/mountain-climbing.html Mountain Climbing News]</ref><ref>[http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:DKGUnhmFpY4J:www.sjr.mb.ca/ms/banner/2006/6jh/mc/history.htm+Mountain+Climbing+History+%22Father+of+Alpinism%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us Mountain Climbing History]</ref><ref>Location of a village where there is a [http://www.theluberon.com/fontaine.htm Petrarch Museum and Monument] identifying that April 26, 1336, is known as the ''" birth of alpinism and Petrarch its father. "''</ref>because of his ascent of Mont Ventoux.<ref>"Petrarch at the Peak of Fame" by Lyell Asher describes [http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0030-8129%28199310%29108%3A5%3C1050%3APATPOF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage "the first recorded Alpinist."] and April 26, 1336 as a "most notorious date on the calender of his impieties."</ref><ref>[http://www.mounteverest.net/story/HappybirthdayPetrarchTheGrandfatherofAlpinismJul202004.shtml Petrarch: The Grandfather of Alpinism]</ref> This is a 6,200-foot peak near Petrarch's home in [[Carpentras]], France. A century later, a chapel dedicated to the [[Christian cross|Holy Cross]] was built on the top of the mountain. Today there is a steep road to the top of [[Mount Ventoux]] that is sometimes painfully incorporated into the [[Tour de France]]. Petrarch then was about 30 years of age.<ref>[http://petrarch.petersadlon.com/timeline.html Timeline of Petrarch's life.]</ref> In a letter dated April 26 of that year by the Italian poet Francesco Petrarch to Francesco Dionigi of Borgo San Sepolcro,<ref>[http://www.bookrags.com/Mountaineering The famous letter that Petrarch composed on the evening of that day.]</ref> a close friend of Petrarch's who was an [[Augustinian]] [[monk]], he gives his account of the ascent.<ref>[http://www.couloirmag.com/articles/dynamic_articlepg.php?articleID=129 account of ascent of Mont Ventoux]</ref> This letter reads in part:<blockquote>"Today, I ascended the highest mountain in this region, which, not without cause, they call the Windy Peak. Nothing but the desire to see its conspicuous height was the reason for this undertaking."<ref>The Ascent of Mount Ventoux, a letter to Dionisio da Borgo San Sepolcro [http://history.hanover.edu/texts/petrarch/pet17.html - Familiar Letters]</ref>
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In''The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy'' [[Jacob Burkhardt]] describes Petrarch's ascent as the first time mountain climbing had been undertaken just for the sport of it.<ref>Burkhardt, Jacob. ''[http://www.boisestate.edu/courses/hy309/docs/burckhardt/burckhardt.html The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy]'', translated by Middlemore.</ref>
==Unstoppable==
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I think if you are going to use a term like "Finally, while moving, he could, essentially, not be stopped" a brief discription of those circumstances in which that statement has not been true should be included. ie by an Apocalypse enhanced Hulk as War II.
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This has been done in other charecter discriptions notably The Blob.
''Famous First Facts: International Edition'' credits the Italian poet Francesco Petrarch for writing of the first account of mountain climbing of importance,<blockquote>
"In April 1336 'to see what so great an elevation had to ofer,' he climbed the peak of Mount Ventoux in Provence, France, which is 6,203 feet high (1,909 meters). In a letter to the Augustinian monk Dionisio da Borgo San Sep, he later wrote: 'I stood like one dazed, I beheld the clouds under our feet, and what I had read of Athos and Olympus seemed less incredible as I witnessed the same things from a mountain less famous.'<ref>Famous First Facts International, H.W. Wilson, New York 2000, ISBN 0-8242-0958-3, page 414, item 5726.</ref></blockquote>
[[Morris Bishop]]'s book, ''Petrarch and His World'', has a long chapter titled "The Ascent of Mont Ventoux" on the ascent Petrarch made to the top of Mont Ventoux. He says in this chapter, <Blockquote>
In the X-men 3 movie it was stated that once he has any momentum, nothing will be able to stop him. What do you suppose will happen if Juggernaut should jump of a building? His momentum will be directed downwards. Will the earth be able to stop him from falling? Just a thought. [[User:155.232.128.10|155.232.128.10]] 08:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
"There is no clear record that anyone ever climbed a mountain for pleasure or mere curiosity from the time of King Philip of Macedonia to that of Petrarch. True, there is the case of King Peter of Aragon in the thirteenth century, who is said to have climbed Mount Canigou in the Pyrenees only to see what was on the summit. There he found a lake with monstrous hovering dragon, darkening the face of heaven with his breath. I think we may rule this out. We may rule out also the Alpine hermits, who sought their high retreats only to escape the world; and even Empedocles, who climbed Mount Etna in order to throw himself in the crater. Of course there were hunters, pursuing game to the upper fast-nesses, and shepherds seeking stray sheep or goats. However, Petrarch remains the first recorded Alpinist, the first to climb a mountain because it is there....Probably by design, for Petrarch had a great sense of anniversaries, he planned the ascent for April 26, 1336, exactly ten years from the day he and Gherardo had left Bologna." '' <ref> ''Petrarch and His World.'' by Morris Bishop; Bloomington, Indiana. Indiana University Press 1963, page 104. </ref> </blockquote>
The sport of mountaineering began in the Alps and is the reason for the term ''alpinist'' - meaning mountain climber.<ref> New Standard Encyclopedia, Standard Educational Corporation 1992 (Chicago), Volume 9 page M-592a.</ref>
==Appearances in other media==
[[Garrett Mattingly]], a professor of European history at Columbia University, writes of Petrarch's ascent on Mount Ventoux in his book ''Renaissance Profiles'' (co-author [[John H. Plumb]]) and refers to him as being the Father of Alpinism.<ref>''Renaisssance Profiles'' by Garrett Mattingly, pages 1-17, New York: Harper & Row. ISBN 0-06-131162-6.</ref>
The statement that his powers in X-Men: The Last Stand are nearly identical seem's stupid to me. He display's unstopability, but not nearly the range of strength, durability, stamina, or such that he has in the comics. I think it should be removed.[[User:67.48.102.11|67.48.102.11]]Juggy#3
In a University of Illinois paper of 1995 presented at the Phi Alpha Theta Regional Conference reference is made of [[Petrarch]] undertaking his climb of [[Mount Ventoux]] in April of 1336 after his reading of Livy's account of how Philip of Macedon climbed Mount Hermus and refers to Morris Bishop calling Petrarch as being "the first modern mountain-climber."<ref>[http://members.tripod.com/~kimmel/Petrarch.html Petrarch: Books and the Life of the Mind]</ref>
The Juggernaut B*tch paragraph doesn't seem notable enough to be of mention here, it almost seems like some people just trying to "promote" their lame video. It's poorly worded too, please stop adding it over and over.
[[User:ElCapitanAmerica|ElCapitanAmerica]] 21:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
In an online article called "What is Mountaineering" they mention Petrarch as being known as the Father of Alpinism.<ref>[http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mountaineering.htm What is Mountaineering?]</ref> In another article of December 2006 Quadrant Magazine says,<blockquote>
:Just type in the title into google, its everywhere. I have nothing to do with that vid and yet i keep seeing it pop up all over the web. that's like not mentioning the [[Chuck Norris Facts]] on the chuck norris page. -([[Brodey]])
"One small episode in late medieval history is often singled out for special mention by historians, especially those with an interest in environmental history. This concerns the ascent of Mt Ventoux in France by Petrarch in 1336. [[Kenneth Clark]], the noted art historian, supposes that Petrarch "was, as everybody knows, the first to climb a mountain for its own sake, and to enjoy the view from the top" (Landscape into Art, 1949). Many other historians quote this same event as providing the earliest example of the new humanistic, Renaissance spirit where nature was enjoyed for its own sake. I have come across this assertion in several history books and commentaries on the man-in-nature question." <ref>Quadrant article [http://quadrant.org.au/php/issue_view.php?issue_id=82 "Petrarch and the Mountain"]by B.J. Coman, December 2006 - Volume L Number 12.</ref></blockquote>
Bruce MacLennan identifies in his article '"Some Remarks of Hillman on Renaissance Neoplatonism and Archetypal Psychology" the rediscovery of soul and its paradoxical nature in Petrarch's descent from Mont Ventoux:<ref>[http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/Classes/US310/On-Hillman.html Renaissance Neoplatonism and Archetypal Psychology]</ref>
::Let's see how well-known it is after a while. It's fairly new right now. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 23:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
<blockquote>[[James Hillman]], one of the founders of modern [[archetypal psychology]], which is a further development of Jung's ideas, has written about the roots of archetypal psychology in Renaissance Neoplatonism. He makes the argument that what enabled the Renaissance was not (as is commonly supposed) the rediscovery of humanity or nature, but the rediscovery of soul and its paradoxical nature, for while it is in us, we are also in it. That is, the imaginative world of the soul has an objective existence independent of our individual egos. He identifies Petrarch's descent from Mont Ventoux as the turning point because, as you will recall, it was there that he consulted Augustine's Confessions at random and, from what he read, realized that the world inside is just as large and real (just as given) as the world outside. In that passage Augustine described his imagination as "a large and boundless chamber," both a power of his and a part of his nature, yet beyond his comprehension. "Therefore is the mind too strait to contain itself." </blockquote>
A historian might put the ascent of Mount Ventoux by Petrarch and his comrades as a symbolic act marking the beginning of the new humanistic "Renaissance" spirit.<ref>[http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/petrarch-ventoux.html Medieval Sourcebook: Petrarch: The Ascent of Mount Ventoux]</ref> The ascent of Mount Ventoux in the spring of 1336 by Petrarch correlates directly with [[humanism]], personal growth and [[self-knowledge]]. The event of the birth of alpinism is associated with [[Discovery (observation)|discovery]] and [[Enlightenment (concept)|enlightenment]].<ref>[http://www.angelfire.com/super2/petrarch/humanism.html Humanisn] as it relates to Petrarch's climb of Mount Ventoux.</ref> [[Pope Innocent III]] in his classic non-humanistic work ''Misery of the Human Condition'' asked the same question of why people climb mountains. He came up with the same answer as Petrarch: "the need to see the vista." This event of Petrarch's ascent to the top of Mount Ventoux just to see the view of the landscape is in the cultural history of Europe
<ref>[http://www.landscape-europe.net/ELCAI_projectreport_book_amended.pdf European Landscape Character Areas], Final Project Report Project: FP5 EU Accompanying Measure Contract: ELCAI-EVK2-CT-2002-80021, page 12.</ref> regarded iconographically as "the beginning of a conscious perception of landscape."<ref>''The Mental Component of the Earth System'' by W. Luchr and R. K. Pachauri, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, 14412 Potsdam, Germany,
The Energy and Resources Institute, New Delhi 110003, India; Chapter toward end of book (page 359) in the APPENDIX: four stories as food for thought, the second story called "Petrarca and von Humboldt: Poet and Scientist."</ref>
Petrarch is known for being the father of Italian Renaissance humanism. In the Renaissance, Greek ideals were taken up when in 1336 Petrarch wrote of philosophical concepts found in the birth of alpinism which he expressed in his letter of April 26 ''The Ascent of Mount Ventoux'' : <blockquote> "Yes, the life which we call blessed is to be sought for on a high eminence, and strait is the way that leads to it. Many, also, are the hills that lie between, and we must ascend, by a glorious stairway, from strength to strength. At the top is at once the end of our struggles and the goal for which we are bound. All wish to reach this goal, but, as Ovid says, ‘To wish is little; we must long with the utmost eagerness to gain our end.’” Niccolò Machiavelli perceived plainly that the struggle against necessity required that an individual have excellence and freedom as primary life purposes."</blockquote>
:::i agree, not only is it lame but also not really informative in any way, keep removing it
==Notes and References==
::::Nobody is trying to "promote" anything here. It ''has'' become very popular and you've just been unfortunate not to have heard of it. - [[user:Madame Arsenic]]
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==External Links==
:::::It has has over 2 million views on YouTube alone. It's noteworthy
* ''Fleeting Moments: Nature and Culture in American History'' By Gunther Paul Barth, [http://books.google.com/books?id=Z0EKPTCUO1QC&pg=PR13&lpg=PR13&dq=april+26+1336+petrarch+fleeting+moments&source=web&ots=yQq1x834nR&sig=US7ZOjeMRP5A3s-VuCvwbiDUNds a book] describing Petrarch's ascent of Mont Ventoux related to man-in-nature and religion.
* [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=travel&res=9F03E2DC153EF935A35755C0A96F958260 New York Times] 2006 article by Richard B. Woodward describing Petrarch in various histories as the first mountaineer and as a pioneer of sightseeing.
* [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=travel&res=9F03E2DC153EF935A35755C0A96F958260 New York Times] 1999 article by Michael Kimmelman in "environmental writing" talks about the significance of Petrarch's ascent in 1336.
* Article talking about Petrarch's ascent of Mount Ventoux as the potential intellectual precursor of [http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Petrarch.html Columbus crossing the Atlantic].
* Petrarch's ascent has done much to shape and form historic and contemporary interest in the [http://clarionjournal.typepad.com/clarion_journal_of_spirit/2006/06/the_ascent_of_m.html role of mountaineering and quests].
* Article of Petrarch's ascent of Mont Ventoux [http://www.warmwell.com/04sep11jenkins.html influencing mountaineering] to this day and its metaphorical significance.
* Article explaining Petrarch was the first person on April 26, 1336, to climb a mountain [http://www.onlib.org/website/reading/fearless_reader/Petrarch.htm just because it was there.]
*Petrarch was the first self-consciously literate educated person to climb a mountain just for [http://blogs.salon.com/0002296/2006/05/21.html the vista.]
* Article explaining that Petrarch with his brother went past a shepard [http://utopianturtletop.blogspot.com/2004/02/sightseeing-weather-and-lyric.html on the ascent.]
*Article analyzing the letter dated April 26, 1336, and [http://www.contempaesthetics.org/newvolume/pages/article.php?articleID=289 philosophical significance.]
==Bibliography==
:::::: It is extremely notable, many, many people know the catchphrase "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" Just google it and see for yourself. [[User:Senner|Senner]] 22:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
*''The Renaissance philosophy of man'', translation selections by [[Ernst Cassirer]]; [[Paul Oskar Kristeller]]; [[John Herman Randall]], University of Chicago Press, 1956 (OCLC: 71231567), 1971
*Petrarch ''Letter to Francesco Dionigi de'Roberti, 26 April 1336'' (The Ascent of Mount Ventoux). Translated by Hans Nachod in ''The Renaissance Philosophy of Man'', ed. Ernst Cassirer et al., pages 36-46. Chicago: [[University of Chicago]], 1948. ISBN 0-226-09604-1
*''Encyclopedia of World Biography'', 2nd ed. 17 Vols. Gale Research, 1998; ""Francesco Petrarca" - extensive article on his life with parts pertaining to his ascent of Mont Ventoux.
*Petrarca, Francesco, and John DePol. [Ad Dyonisium de Burgo Sancti Sepulcri ... de curis propriis. English] The ascent of Mount Ventoux: a letter from Petrarch. New York: Petrarch Press, 1989. 11 p., [1] leaf of plates. PQ4519.V44P413 1989
*Petrarca, Francesco. (Ad Dyonisium de Burgo Sancti Sepulcri ... de curis propriis. Italian & Latin) ''Francisci Petrarchae Ascensus Montis Ventosi.'' &, ''Une ascension au mont Ventoux.'' Editiones Officinae Bodoni. Verona: Officina Bodoni, 1965; 83 p. PQ4519.V44P416 1965
:::::: Well it would seem that small animation parody has received enough notoriety to receive the attention of Hollywood. As anyone who has seen X-men 3: The Last Stand will tell you, this infamous internet quote has made its way into mainstream film media. It is shown in a scene involving Kitty Pryde whilst stuck within the floor thanks the Kitty, Juggernaut shouts “Don’t you know who I am? I’m the Juggernaut, B*tch! Some might go far as to say that this is the sole purpose of juggernauts involvement with the film as far as I can tell he did little to nothing to progress the story - Peter Ryan
*Petrarca, Francesco. (Ad Dyonisium de Burgo Sancti Sepulcri ... de curis propriis. Italian & Latin) ''La lettera del Ventoso: Familiarium rerum libri'' IV, 1: testo a fronte. Di monte in monte, 1. Verbania: Tarara, 1996. 75 p. PQ4519.V44P416 1996
:::::: This video I think is worth mentioning its another internet meme right up there along with Numa Numa and the starwars kid I vote for a keep [[User:Xaios|Xaios]] 07:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I also recommend giving this more mention. This, along with [Snakes on a Plane], is a clear example of internet culture making its way into mainstream culture. That is certainly noteworthy. [[User:TheTapedCrusader|The Taped Crusader]] 07:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
*Petrarca, Francesco, and Rodney John Lokaj. (''Familiarum rerum libri.'' IV, 1. English & Latin] ''Petrarch's Ascent of Mount Ventoux: the Familiaris'' IV, I: new commented edition. Scriptores latini, 23. Roma: Edizioni dell'Ateneo, 2006. 213 p.PQ4490.E2313 2005
I can't beleive people kept removing this mention from the page? "The Juggernaut bitch" became quite the internet phenom. Its even tributed in the latest film! [[User:Duhon|Duhon]]
*Petrarca. ''Wege der Forschung,'' Bd. 353. Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, [Abt. Verlag], 1976. 463 p.PQ4504.P4
:Yeah - I watched that and I was like "did they actually copy that? Wow - cool." [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] 06:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
*Petrarch. ''Modern critical views.'' New York: Chelsea House, 1989. 175 p. PQ4505.P4 1989
::::::The original author should be alerted to the fact that 1. ebonics does not exist, ebonics was, nay, is, merely a feeble attempt to alleviate an academic ailment plaguing inner-city students, or more precisely, african american inner city students, by, in so many words, deeming their dialect as another language altogether. This is both utterly assinine and offensive. 2. Even if one could rationally apply such a label to urban vernacular, let me assure you this display of endless obscenities is not ebonics, urban dialect, or black dialect, and to give, or succumb to, the impression that our, at times, unconventional speech is simply obscenities and misogyny is offensive and ignorant. May I suggest the actual exploration of a culture and traits therein before speaking, mentioning, or attributing anything to said culture. Especially short-lived, antiquated, ignorant, foreign concotions which try to define said traits, i.e ebonics...
p.s. exploration of our culture does not include, BET, MTV 1 or 2, VH1, UPN, WB, or anything broadcast on television, radio, or produced in a studio...
[[User:68.48.90.208|68.48.90.208]] 08:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Employee 022784
*Cassirer, Ernst, ed, Paul Oskar Kristeller, joint ed., and John Herman Randall, joint ed.. ''The Renaissance philosophy of man.'' University of Chicago Press (1948), 404 p. B775.C32
:This is great. So many people were complaining about having this in the page about how it's irrelevant and lame, but then it appears in the movie. They must be crying their eyes out
::I agree. This is for all you dumbasses who said that the movie based on the Juggernaut wasn't important enough to put in this article. They put it in the fucking movie. You lose. Thanks --[[User:MadameArsenic|MadameArsenic]] 21:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
*Cassirer, Ernst, ed, Paul Oskar Kristeller, ed., and John Herman Randall, joint edition. ''The Renaissance philosophy of man.'' Selections in translation. Phoenix, AZ., books, P1. Chicago, University of Chicago Press, (1967, c1948) 405 p.B780.M3C37 1967
So that you know, someone has altered the film entry with a comment in such a way that normal frequenters can't edit it out. It basically tries to negate the article. Might want to check that out.
==Exiled==
Is this really notable enough to appear in the article? It's not really important enough for the characer, and it seems out of place next to the rest of the article's flow. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 22:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
i think its really funny, sorry to be the party pooper for elitist comicy convo but it really made me giggle and it is really popular online. i think it should have a meantion but im not going to go and cry if it doesnt lol
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"ultimate juggernaut"
"but has apparently left the brotherhood team for parts unknown."
this is not correct
juggernaut was imprisoned after ultimate war mini-series
and escaped when Shield was transporting him
==SHB pic==
This Asamiya pic is awful, we cannot even see the character. I do not like the Miguire pic as well but even so, is much better than Asamiya's. —<i>[[User:Lesfer|Lesfer]]</i> <sup><small>[[User talk:Lesfer|(talk]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Lesfer|@)]]</small></sup> 20:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
==Healing factor?==
In an episode of the animated series, When Juggernaut is de-powered, Xavier sends the X-men to go and reclaim the ruby that powered Juggernaut in the first place to give him back his "superhuman healing abilities" so that he wouldn't die. Question is, think this can be counted as evidence for a healing factor? Should it be listed among his special abilities?
The animated series isn't part of mainstream Marvel continuity. I don't know if he possesses some form of accelerated healing powers. The picture in the article displaying the Juggernaut reduced to a living skeleton would imply that he does, but the villain in the picture with him is the demon D'spayre, who feeds psychically off of fear and..well despair. I don't have the issue in which the confrontation takes place but I believe that the Juggernaut's mind was being tampered with by D'spayre. I might be wrong, if I am then someone please let me know. Cases involving the Juggernaut being injured are few and far between. With the exception of his encounter with Onslaught, I'd never seen the Juggernaut sustain any injury. He's been injured since his depowerment but as to how quickly he heals, it's up in the air. It's something that hasn't really been focused on, at least not to my knowledge. Anything put in the article about a "healing factor" would probably be more speculation than anything else at this point. [[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] 00:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
:he did have a healing factor during his unstoppable juggernaut period, i can't recall exactly where the picture is from but i do believe i've seen it and it's not depicting a mental scene. In the first few issues of x-force, shatterstar cuts juggy up, most notably apparently putting out his eyes. He quickly heals. (shatterstar has mystical blades, so some sort of mystic attack may be the common ground for damaging cain) [[User:Impulse725|Impulse]] 02:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
That was from Juggernauts fight with X-Force, I believe it was X-Force #3. Shatterstar stabbed him in the eye, and within moments his eye was completly healed. It should also be mentioned that within his One-Shot, he was burned down to a skeleton and healed in moments.[[User:67.48.102.11|67.48.102.11]]Juggy#3
It was in X-Force #4, I found the old issue. The character, Syrin, managed to pull the Juggernaut's helmet off after Shatterstar used his swords to sever the mystical link binding his helmet to his armor. Shatterstar commented that his sword was forged by a combination of the science and magic found in the Mojoverse, then he started to cut up on the Juggernaut a bit and he did heal quickly. [[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] 23:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Juggernaut flat-out states in that issue that the magic flowing through his viens heals him. It also shows blood flowing of his eye and then, in moments, a healed eye. I have a picture.[[User:204.110.228.254|204.110.228.254]]
== This is the first time I've seen a good picture on this article ==
All the other Juggernaut pics had some deficientcy in them. (Either he was throwing dirt in front of his face, or he was realy small in the pics).--[[User:P-Chan|P-Chan]] 22:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
== Juggernaut pic vote ==
No one can seem to agree, so i think we should have a vote for the main pic. But instead of me just posting some pics, feel free to add your own and then we'll vote. (it's not on wiki [http://www.gangus.net/X2%20update/juggernaut.jpg but check this one out too].) Don't be afraid to post a pic in the gallery tag, and we can start the vote on Monday June, 12. [[User:Exvicious|Exvicious]] 21:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Juggsexcal.png (holding rock) --[[User:Facto|Facto]] 00:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
:'''Pat Lee''' [[User:Dstorres|Dstorres]]
As I've often had quoted at me, so I quote at you: [[m:Polls are evil]].
And I've removed the gallery per [[WP:FU#Articlespaceonly]].
Here's the criteria I use to determine SHB pics:
#Follow the fair use criteria, especially [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/copyright#Images which cannot be .22fair_use.22|the Images that cannot be fair use guidelines]]. These supersede all the following criteria. Also, source your images fully (including '''all''' applicable from issue/page/panel, scan source, web source) and give a fair use rationale.
#Ensure that the picture clearly shows as much of the character as possible:
#*The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best.
#*If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture '''must''' show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters).
#*Visibly contorted poses should '''not''' be used under any circumstances.
#*Pictures which hide significant areas the character in shadow should be avoided (exceptions apply only where the shadow is ''itself'' part of the character's look - e.g. [[Raven (comics)|Raven]].), as should pictures where blur or distortion effects are applied.
#*Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should '''not''' be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first.
#*Heavily stylised art should only be considered for use when the character is closely associated with the style to the exclusion of less extreme styles.
#Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this.
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- [[User:SoM|SoM]] 04:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's great. I understand the guidelines, but how would you stop an edit war dispute without a vote. All that will happen is they'll keep switching until they break the 3RR or one of them gets bored. [[User:Exvicious|Exvicious]] 22:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
==Informal==
I believe that the X-men: Evolution bit of the Television section is far too informal, this is the text:
Juggernaut also appeared in the X-Men: Evolution series, voiced by Paul Dobson. This version was Xavier's half-brother, a mutant whose powers were awakened by the Cyttorak gem. The gem was said to hold special properties that enhanced and evolved mutants. In this series, his strenth and intelligence are greatly underestimated. Sure, he can throw tanks and other vehicles around but that is the top level of brawn exhibited in the cartoons. Also, he speaks in a drawl that is associated with thick people. He does seem to be affected by pain but he normally shrugs off the blow and continues fighting. He is not by any means unmovable because he was blasted by Cyclops when he ripped of his visor and gave Juggernaut his full power. However, Juggernaut then waded through it after the first inital wave. This might mean that he is not impervious to attacks but instead adapts to and then develops a stronger defense to perils.
There's also a few misspellings in there. --[[User:Damuna|Damuna]] 03:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
== External links ==
I do not believe the external link "A complete Juggernaut Bio" which links to thejuggernaut.means.it is appropriate on this page. It is neither complete nor does it have any useful information not already on the wikipedia page (it is just 1 page of an incomplete biography with many advertisements). Instead I suggest "The Unstoppable Juggernaut Homepage" at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/main.html. Despite whatever prejudices you may have about Geocities pages, I find this page to be surprisingly complete, not to mention fun to read. [[User:129.97.233.57|129.97.233.57]] 21:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
== Getting tired of this ==
I'm getting tired of reverting the anonymous edits of a user who insists on adding his biased origin of the Juggernaut, negatively slanted to make him appear worse than he really is.
The latest reversion can be seen here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juggernaut_%28comics%29&diff=120575311&oldid=120468850] Examples include changing "Juggernaut underwent a crisis of conscience and joined the team" to "Juggernaut underwent a number of retcons which were used to help remake him into a heroic figure", and stuff like "In an extremely unusual turn for someone of Cain's nature, he immediately befriended people at the mansion as he'd never befriended people before" and "Cain and Xavier had a conversation in which they recounted their past in a way much different from previously shown, and based on these new revelations immediately reconsiled their longtime feud." --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 21:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:ban him?[[User:Phoenix741|Phoenix741]] 21:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Way to harsh for now. Nobody has even put a message on his talk page. If anything lets tell him first that his edits arnt right. [[User:Thefro552|Thefro552]] 22:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I was just about to say something about the person who keeps reverting to the same mistakes in the article and I see this. lol Before I edited anything I double checked to make sure it was accurate. Retcons were used and the Juggernaut hasn't ever befriended people like that. Those are both true so what is the dispute? Also before the edit the article it was very incomplete and had errors in it. Like under "Redemption" it said "Soon after, the Juggernaut accepted an offer from the Commission on Superhuman Activity to become their headhunter and, in exchange, was pardoned from his past crimes. However, he threw away his pardon soon after when Black Tom talked him into going back to being a mercenary with him."
:::That's wrong and I've seen people try to correct it at least 3 times before I did. Black Tom doesn't talk Juggernaut back into anything and Juggernaut was never pardoned. And none of that had anything to do with Juggernaut redeeming. Juggernaut only pretended to redeem to fool the government to become a better criminal. Not only is the info wrong but it's in the wrong section! If the article isn't supposed to be corrected shouldn't it be tagged? I would have spared myself the trouble of trying to fix it. --[[63.40.244.219]]
::::''Juggernaut only pretended to redeem to fool the government to become a better criminal.'' Um, no. We saw his thought bubbles in ''X-Men Forever'', and he wasn't planning on fooling them or using them for information. And Juggernaut has befriended people before. Black Tom, anyone?
::::Your edits are POV and poorly written. Regardless of what you think of Juggernaut's redemption, it's against wikipolicy to insert your opinions into articles. Please, leave it alone. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 11:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:Juggernaut said flat out that he fooled the government with that trick. That's not opinion that's fact. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fooled.jpg] Before restoring the same bad edits please provide a referrence for "Soon after, the Juggernaut accepted an offer from the Commission on Superhuman Activity to become their headhunter and, in exchange, was pardoned from his past crimes. However, he threw away his pardon soon after when Black Tom talked him into going back to being a mercenary with him." This never happened. And you have the whole thing in the wrong bloody section. [[User:Luger1|Luger1/63.40.244.219]]
::He was lying to Cyclops in that scene. We ''saw'' his thought-bubbles in ''X-Men Forever''. We know what he was thinking. He wasn't trying to fool anyone then. A throwaway comment isn't enough to retcon an entire miniseries. Sorry.
::As for the "Threw away his pardon" bit... Put two and together. He got a pardon in ''X-Men Forever''. Then, he was back to working with Black Tom in the ''Cyclops'' miniseries. Effectively throwing away his pardon.
::And it's not in the wrong section; it was in ''X-Men Forever'' that he started to redeem himself. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 18:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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