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'''Scipione del Ferro''' ([[February 6]] [[1465]] – [[November 5]], [[1526]]) was an [[Italy|Italian]] [[mathematics|mathematician]] who first discovered a method to solve [[cubic equations]].
==Top==
Brian Welch's nickname, as listed right now, say's 'GayMachine'. This is incorrect and obviously the work of a vandal. Could someone fix it to be 'Head' again. Untill there is an official release of a name change for his new solo album, it should remain 'Head'. Thanks.
 
==Life==
Nevermind, fixed it myself. Thanks.
Scipione del Ferro was born in [[Bologna]], in northern [[Italy]], to Floriano and Filippa Ferro. His father, Floriano, worked in the [[paper]] industry, which owed its existence to the invention of the [[Printing press|press]] in the 1450s and which probably allowed Scipione to access various works during early stages of his life.
[November 4th, 2005 05:46 PAC]
 
He studied and later taught at the [[University of Bologna]], teaching [[Arithmetic]] and [[Geometry]] from [[1496]] until the end of his life. During his last years, he also undertook commercial work.
Hey, guys, I'm not sure, but I think some Korn song is also a part of Charlie's Angels' soundtrack. That song sounds when that girl in a costume of a black man jumps from the airplane. Can anyone prove me right or wrong, please?
*''Blind'' plays during the film, I don't know whether its on the soundtrack CD or not--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 10:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 
==Diffusion of his work==
True or false: this is another thing that uses '''Я''' instead of '''R''' to make it look more [[Russian]] because of the letter in the [[Cyrillic alphabet]] that looks like a backwards R. [[User:66.245.115.34|66.245.115.34]] 23:38, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There are no surviving scripts from del Ferro. This is in large part due to his resistance to communicating his works. Instead of publishing his ideas, he would only show them to a small, select group of friends and students.
 
Despite this, he had a notebook where he recorded all his important discoveries. After his death in [[1526]], this notebook was inherited by his son-in-law [[Hannival Nave]], who was married to del Ferro's daughter, Filippa. Nave was also a [[mathematics|mathematician]], who replaced del Ferro at the [[University of Bologna]] after his death.
The reason the band's name is spelled as such is because the first album included a lot of material about Davis' childhood. The band wanted the cover to look like it was drawn by a small child, hence the mispelled name and backwards R. [[User:Mississippienne|Missi]]
 
In 1543, [[Gerolamo Cardano]] and Ludovico Ferrari (one of Cardano's students) travelled to [[Bologna]] to meet Nave and learn about his late father-in-law's notebook, where the solution to the general [[cubic equation]] appeared.
God only knows. Would it be more proper to have this article at [[KoRn]], or prehaps even [[Ko&#1071;n]] (if page names can contain that character), as the band's name appears as Ko&#1071;n on all their albums? [[User talk:TPK|T.]][[User:TPK|PK]] <small>13:08, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)</small>
 
==The Solution of the Cubic Equation==
Nope, can't be done. - fadetoblack [[User:fadetoblack|fadetoblack]]
[[Mathematics|Mathematicians]] from del Ferro's time knew that the general cubic equation could be simplified to one of three cases:
:<math>x^3 + mx = n \,</math>
:<math>x^3 = mx + n \,</math>
:<math>x^3 + n = mx \,</math>
The term in <math>x^2</math> can always be removed by appropriate substitution. It is assumed that the coefficients <math>m</math> and <math>n</math> are positive, since negative numbers were not in general use at the time. If negative numbers are allowed, there is only one case, namely:
:<math>x^3 + mx + n = 0 \,</math>
 
There are conjectures about whether del Ferro worked on this topic as a consequence of a trip [[Luca Pacioli]] made to [[Bologna]]. Pacioli taught at the [[University of Bologna]] between [[1501]] and [[1502]], and discussed various mathematical topics with del Ferro. It is not known whether they discussed cubic equations, but Pacioli had included them in his famous treatise, ''Summa de arithmetica, geometrica, proportioni et proportionalita'', which was published seven years earlier.
There needs to be an umlaut on Nu Metal.
 
Some time after Pacioli's visit, del Ferro solved at least one, but possibly all three cases. In [[1925]], 16<sup>th</sup> century manuscripts were discovered which contain del Ferro's solutions.
== Naming ==
 
[[Gerolamo Cardano|Cardano]], in his book ''Ars Magns'' (published in [[1545]]) states that it was del Ferro who was the first to solve the cubic equation, and that the [[Cubic equation#Cardano's_method|solution he gives]] is del Ferro's method.
Given that the band's website is at [http://www.korn.com korn.com], and that they use both the forwards and backwards R on that site, and that every major media source calls them ''Korn'', their albums are for sale at Amazon under the name ''Korn'', and that the article '''starts''' with the ''The title given to this article is incorrect due to technical limitations'' text, is there any justifiable reason for using the illegal characters in this entry's name? It's completely unreadable in my browser (Firefox), which displays a strange accented D, and it's completely invisible in the most common browser (Internet Explorer). I don't see the point. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 18:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*It's not just your browser that's doing that for the page title. Somebody decided to actually MOVE the page to the title with the backwards R. Since the backwards R is a special Unicode character, it is not usable in article titles in the English Wikipedia. I'm going to put up a request for it to be moved back. &mdash; [[User:Livajo|&#1051;&#1080;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081;]] | [[User talk:Livajo|&#x263a;]] 18:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**It shows okay on my browser as KoЯn, but I made another request for a moveback. I believe the official spelling is KORN in all caps, and that the KoЯn with backwards R is either an album title or just a [[faux Cyrllic]] styling - not the band's real name. [[User:Ghost of Christmas Past|Xmas Ghost]] 16:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 
==Other contributions==
* '''Support''' the move to anything that doesn't have Cyrillic characters. The current disambiguation page can be moved to [[Korn (disambiguation)]]. ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-08-4&nbsp;16:29&nbsp;Z</small>''
Del Ferro also made other important contributions to the rationalization of fractions; he extended the methods known for denominators with square roots to denominators with sums of three cube roots.
 
==References==
Regarding naming in the article: The unicode character "Я" is not a backwards "R", it's the letter [[Ya (Cyrillic) |Ya]] in another alphabet. The backwards R in the band's name is a Latin R with a typographic styling effect, not a different letter from another language.
*{{cite book|first= Alejandro |last=García Venturini|title=Matemáticos Que Hicieron Historia}}
*{{cite book|first=Ian |last=Stewart|title=Galois Theory, Third Edition|publisher=Chapman & Hall/CRC Mathematics|year=2004}}
 
[[Category:1465 births|Ferro, Scipione del]]
By using this Unicode character in the article, we are not writing "Korn" but some mongrel rendition of "Koyan". The closest thing available is the character "Latin letter small capital reversed R" (U+1D19), but using this to spell Koᴙn is probably a bad idea too. I'm going to edit the article to turn the name Korn back to Korn. ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-08-4&nbsp;23:47&nbsp;Z</small>''
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*I also agree. Their OFFICIAL name is Korn, but KoЯn is simply used on their artwork and logo. It's unofficial. For example, when you rip a Korn cd, is the artist name displayed as KoЯn, or as Korn? Exactly. Their official name IS Korn, and I for one think that we should change all of the '''KoЯn'''s in this article back to '''Korn'''. --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 18:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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:Plus, you think that when creating the logo, they really thought, "Gee, let's use a cyrillic R, also known as the letter Ya!" Of course not! It is intended to be a backwards 'R', no ifs, ands, or "butts" about it.
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Unicode isn't illegal in a URL, but only a few browsers support it. [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 05:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
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In all of Korn's CD booklets it is written Korn (except as the logo). KoЯn is definantly just used for their logo. (As a side node it think the debate about the unicode "Я" not actually being a backwards R is irrelevent, nobody is going to read it as a cyrillic letter as part of KoЯn anyway.)--[[User:Undc23|Undc23]] 10:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 
== Jonathan "HIV" Davis? ==
 
His photo caption (under Current Members) reads ''Jonathan "HIV" Davis''. Is this a real nickname or did a vandal slip that in?--[[User:Feitclub|''feitclub'']] 14:32, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
:Yep, that's his actual nickname, not the work of a vandal. [[User:MrHate|MrHate]] 23:25, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 
 
==Images==
 
I removed the entire "members" section as it was sloppy, not arranged well, and unneeded. Band pages such as [[Led Zeppelin]], [[Grateful Dead]], and [[Pink Floyd]] don't have seperate images of each band member. --[[User:Crucible Guardian|Crucible Guardian]] 23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Completely agree. They need to go. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan-site, and I'm pretty sure the current layout is against the style guide. [[User:MrHate|MrHate]] 00:26, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 
There's [[:Image:Korn.jpg]] - isn't that a better version of the logo? [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 22:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 
i have a better quality, black on white korn logo, if you really believe its necessary to have a better logo than the current one, just write back to this post. thanks
 
== Faux Cyrillic ==
 
Is the backwards R really an example of Faux Cyrillic? Just because someone rights a letter backwards that happens to have a corresponding cyrillic letter, it doesn't automatically make it Cyrllic. I mean, if they inverted the K instead, no one would call it Faux Cyrillic.
 
As I understand it, it's only Faux Cyrillic if the word is intended to give a Slavic/Russian feel to the name, and I don't think that's the intention at all with Korn's name. --[[User:Rc251|Rc251]] 22:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 
I agree; it appears they're going for a rough look and not a Slavic feel. Another example is Toys Я Us. ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-08-4&nbsp;16:30&nbsp;Z</small>''
 
== New album ==
Can someone please tell me why the new album ''[[Souvenir of Sadness]]'', which is due out in [[September]] [[2005]] keeps being removed? Wait until you people see what happens! -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 20:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 
 
dear freind,
it was rumored to be the name for a while, but the band never intended for it to really have that title.
 
[[User:Everything Inane|Everything Inane]] 06:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 
The album name is "See You On The Other Side". There is a song on the album called Souvenir. The album will be available as of December 6, 2005.
 
==bandname==
shouldn't this page be at [[KoЯn]]? [[User:24ip|24ip]] | [[User talk:24ip|lolol]] 22:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Look upwards on page... [[User:85.226.122.194|85.226.122.194]] 12:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 
 
 
==????==
Why is this band so popular, none of their songs got past number 30 something in the us! All their others got like number 90. They're doing all right in the UK, thats it. And should it be noted that 'twisted transistor' isn't the usual members, it's like lil jon and snoop dogg and xzibit and david banner?
::See ([[Bootlegging]])--[[User:220.238.70.149|220.238.70.149]] 05:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
::Are you saying I downloaded an illegal different version? If you are, you are wrong I always see it on TV. And go here[http://http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1511049/10062005/snoop_dogg.jhtml For evidence]
The rappers are only in the video, they have nothing to do with the music. Its called a video treatment. The only thing different about the members of KoRn is the absence of Brian. And most of their albums have reached atleast #3 on Billboard, and that's a bit past 30.