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Here are several reasons why we use "Manchuria" and not "Northeast China".

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I am listing this since some of you editors cannot seem to see why we are using "Manchuria" although other editors have repeatedly said these points. Add anymore if neccessary.

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*Manchuria is used more often than Northeast China.

{{assessment | page=[[Kargil War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kargil_War&oldid=98599092 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{FA-Class}} | version=0.5 | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Ziaur Rahman]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ziaur_Rahman&oldid=99094559 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{FA-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*Northeast China is a term used by the PRC government to try and stop everybody from using "Manchuria".

{{assessment | page=[[Atlantique Incident]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atlantique_Incident&oldid=98815798 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{GA-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[World War II]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_War_II&oldid=99119317 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{GA-Class}} | version=0.5 | comments= }}

*"Manchuria" is used in the geographic sense. We are not here to argue about Manchuria's history.

{{assessment | page=[[2001-2002 India-Pakistan standoff]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2001-2002_India-Pakistan_standoff&oldid=96909863 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[5 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=5_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=99049058 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*Using "Manchuria" is not intended to insult anybody (especially the sensitivity of Japanese occupation)

{{assessment | page=[[8th Infantry Division (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8th_Infantry_Division_%28India%29&oldid=98653370 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Agni missile system]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agni_missile_system&oldid=97548530 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*This is the english wikipedia. Most english users are fine with the word "Manchuria".

{{assessment | page=[[Akbar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akbar&oldid=98620569 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version=0.5 | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bangladesh Liberation War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_Liberation_War&oldid=99065700 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 23:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Basantar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Basantar&oldid=87433393 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Diu (1509)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Diu_%281509%29&oldid=97609962 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:* Prove it. Just a quick Google news search of "Northeast China"[http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Northeast+China%22&btnG=Search][http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=Northeast+China&btnG=Search] vs "Manchuria" [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=Manchuria&btnG=Search] proves Northeast China is by far, more popular as far as modern usage is concerned. Also refer to (recent news) the Liaoning accident I pointed out earlier.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Ghazni]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ghazni&oldid=97500030 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:* Prove it. As far as I'm concerned, the usage of the Three Provinces of the Northeast originates from the Qing Dynasty when the region was referred to as "Dong San Sheng." Also, ''I have no problems with the usage of "Manchuria," as long as it is supported by official Chinese historiography - which does not seem to be the case''.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Khanwa]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Khanwa&oldid=97489990 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:* This is a ''history'' template, of course its related to ''history''.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Surabaya]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Surabaya&oldid=131293145 ] | importance= | date=[[May 16]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:* Are you from Northeast China? Can you read Chinese? If not, go ask someone who is/can.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of the Hydaspes River]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Hydaspes_River&oldid=95762419 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:* English users are fine with the term "Burma" too, why don't you change [[Myanmar]] back to Burma? Same logic.

{{assessment | page=[[Batu Lintang camp]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batu_Lintang_camp&oldid=116478849 ] | importance= | date=[[March 20]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Brigade of Gurkhas]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brigade_of_Gurkhas&oldid=94420134 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 00:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Capture of Kishangarh Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capture_of_Kishangarh_Fort&oldid=100719304 ] | importance= | date=[[January 15]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Chindits]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chindits&oldid=96207260 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Unfortunately all of your points are very subjective and not backup by anything except your POV, which thus cannot stand on its own. Where else mine is totally objective backup by respectable NPOV references and encyclopedias. I don't even have to make argument or interpretation, just quoting directly from the sources is enough.

{{assessment | page=[[Defence Research and Development Organisation]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defence_Research_and_Development_Organisation&oldid=110534641 ] | importance= | date=[[February 24]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:*First you also need to see the context Manchuria is used. It only used by respectable journal to refer to the region in the period from 1850 to 1950. Few respectable journal use Manchuria to talk about present Northeast China. Most use Northeast China today to refer to the region.

{{assessment | page=[[East Pakistan Air Operations, 1971]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_Pakistan_Air_Operations%2C_1971&oldid=84423556 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:*Northeast China is used by PRC, plus all other governments in this world today. No government will refer to the region as Manchuria today unless talking about the period from 1850 to 1950.

{{assessment | page=[[European influence in Afghanistan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_influence_in_Afghanistan&oldid=96588301 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:*As I mentioned Manchuria is used in many subjective and vague interpretations. You may used it in one way, but readers might read it in other ways. This will lead to gap between the articles and readers, and will cause confusion to readers.

{{assessment | page=[[First Anglo-Sikh War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Anglo-Sikh_War&oldid=97469128 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:*Again you might not want to insult others, but people will still be insulted. You cannot insist you have no negative intent and force others to accept an insulting label put on them.

{{assessment | page=[[Folland Gnat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Folland_Gnat&oldid=98103630 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:*I know this is English Wikipedia. I am not using any other language except English, am I? I believe Northeast China is English, isn't it? English users are totally fine with Northeast China, aren't they? I bet the regular lay person will get where Northeast China is right away with the word Northeast China, then with the word Manchuria.

{{assessment | page=[[Gurkha]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurkha&oldid=98944948 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 19:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[HAL Tejas]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HAL_Tejas&oldid=97393192 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Hawker Hart]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hawker_Hart&oldid=97573436 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::Myanmar is used because they changed their official name to that.

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Air Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Air_Force&oldid=98336110 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Army]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Army&oldid=99069589 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::"as long as it is supported by official Chinese historiography" doesn't matter because the English wikipedia emphasizes on english usage. The CIA factbook uses Manchuria. Most people refer to that area of China as Manchuria. Again, Manchuria is used as a geographic term and english users that browse Wikipedia won't be insulted by using "Manchuria". Why would they? I don't understand why "Manchuria" is so insulting to english users.

{{assessment | page=[[Indian National Army]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_National_Army&oldid=98590846 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Navy]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Navy&oldid=98644530 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::The google count has more "Northeast China" because there are many Chinese sites (in english) that call it "Northeast China".

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Peace Keeping Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Peace_Keeping_Force&oldid=109394819 ] | importance= | date=[[February 20]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Rebellion of 1857]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Rebellion_of_1857&oldid=99086568 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::Wikipedia's article on [[Northeast China]] shows only northeast China and nothing more while Manchuria covers both China and Russia. This template covers both those. [[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 20:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Indira Gandhi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indira_Gandhi&oldid=112314490 ] | importance= | date=[[March 4]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version=0.5 | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indische Freiwilligen-Legion Regiment 950]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indische_Freiwilligen-Legion_Regiment_950&oldid=97759798 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::Northeast China has always been the official name of the region - not even the Qing Dynasty called it "Manchuria." What's your point then?

{{assessment | page=[[Indo-Pakistani War of 1947]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1947&oldid=98565383 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indo-Pakistani War of 1965]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965&oldid=98643092 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::Replace the word "Manchuria" with any derogatory terms towards Koreans, then come back and tell me if your argument still stands.

{{assessment | page=[[Indo-Pakistani War of 1971]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971&oldid=98566260 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Jaffna University Helidrop]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jaffna_University_Helidrop&oldid=92548117 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::Did you read the CNN article regarding the Liaoning accident[http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/04/18/china.steel/]? It was fairly big news in China (recent at the time of posting) and received quite some coverage in Western media.

{{assessment | page=[[Joginder Singh (Subedar)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joginder_Singh_%28Subedar%29&oldid=89216024 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Kashmir conflict]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashmir_conflict&oldid=98506827 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::Look, I suggest you read everything (above) that has been discussed already before making redundant statements that have been thoroughly refuted:

{{assessment | page=[[Kirpan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kirpan&oldid=95329805 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Kodandera Madappa Cariappa]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kodandera_Madappa_Cariappa&oldid=91131808 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::''"Northeast China" is ''synonymous'' with the modern geographic concept of "Manchuria" (e.g. reference to popular online encyclopedia Encarta supports this [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560580/Dongbei.html]), only that these "lost" territories are part of '''historic''' Dongbei (do not confuse with ''historic'' and ''modern'' Dongbei - and this is why terms such as "Outer Manchuria" are referred to as "Outer '''Dongbei'''" in Chinese [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria]). On the other hand, there is no Russian term that refers to the region of NE China/Manchuria as a whole.'' [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 21:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Lee-Enfield]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lee-Enfield&oldid=98609406 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[List of Eastern Fleet ships]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Eastern_Fleet_ships&oldid=102984278 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::So far your input into this discussion seems to be just (1) Asking irrelevant questions, (2) asking questions which have already been answered with supporting source, and (3) stating that you do not understand what is being talked about. Anyway here are comments about your latest input

{{assessment | page=[[Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louis_Mountbatten%2C_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma&oldid=98949560 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::*Looks like you accept official terms as appropriate. Northeast China is official to all governments in the world today. Manchuria is not.

{{assessment | page=[[Mercenary]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mercenary&oldid=99104448 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::*Looks like you accept CIA Factbook as an appropriate source. The CIA Factbook state that Manchuria is a region in China (no Russia here) and it only uses the word Manchuria when it describes it as a region in China where Japan occupied during 1930s. Which is consistent with what I said before, Manchuria is only use by respectable sources in the historical context during the period 1850 to 1950, not before and after, certainly not now.

{{assessment | page=[[Military history of India]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_history_of_India&oldid=98977072 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::*Regardless of whether one understands or do not understand why a term is offensive, a person with a sense of morality will try to avoid using that term, taking into consideration of other feelings, and try to use other alternative less offensive term. Regardless of whether one understand or do not understand why a term is offensive, a person without a sense of morality will insist that the term be used, ignoring other feelings, and will not compromise of other alternative less offensive term. It’s quite obvious which category you belong to. Don’t use your failure to understand things to justify something you want. Furthermore this is not the only reason why Manchuria should not be used.

{{assessment | page=[[Muhammad bin Qasim]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_bin_Qasim&oldid=97501185 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::*There is some statistical proof at least using Google that Northeast China is used more often than Manchuria. You have provided NONE to prove otherwise, no statistical proof, not even a logical argument, so far your only claim is by pure personal insistence. (You have also failed to prove your claim that "there are many Chinese sites (in english) that call it "Northeast China", I can also make a claim, which is far more reasonble than your claim, which is that many more people today whether Chinese or not are using Norhteast China than Manchuria.)

{{assessment | page=[[Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinent&oldid=98172049 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nirmal_Jit_Singh_Sekhon&oldid=95733319 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::*Manchuria is used to label China’s territory EXCLUSIVELY. No NPOV sources (zero, none, check sources I provided above) I have come across (including CIA Factbook) treat Russia territory as part of Manchuria. I don’t know when Manchuria is coined. If it is coined before Russia took Priamurye region, then Manchuria is not just a purely geographical name, it has political implications too, because it proves that Manchuria expanded and shrunk according to China’s control of the area. If it is coined after Russia took Priamurye region, then there is still some argument to say that it is a purely geographical name, in this case however, the area would only be restricted to Northeast China. However as I have already mentioned, “Manchuria” as a word has been abused by people giving it various interpretations according to their own taste. The only objective and responsibly way to use Manchuria is according to the definition given by NPOV references, which is to use it only in its relevant historical period of between 1850 to 1950, and not today.

{{assessment | page=[[No. 3 Squadron, Indian Air Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No._3_Squadron%2C_Indian_Air_Force&oldid=93953171 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::I find your style of discussions not very convincing and productive. If there are so many questions on your mind, and if there are so many things you yourself said you do not understand, maybe you should try not to make any edit. To be convincing you must support your views with sources, not by insistence of your subjective view and making excuses that you do not understand things.

{{assessment | page=[[Noor Inayat Khan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noor_Inayat_Khan&oldid=97722930 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 02:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[North African campaign]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=North_African_campaign&oldid=97706588 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Chengiz Khan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Chengiz_Khan&oldid=98811327 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

If this issue is so important, you should take your case to [[Manchuria]]. You should also note that Wikipedia uses a map that covers both Russsia and China to describe Manchuria. [[Image:Manchuria.png|thumb|250px]] [[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 22:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Gibraltar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Gibraltar&oldid=135252710 ] | importance= | date=[[June 24]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Polo]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Polo&oldid=97482456 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

== Willow Palissade the first northernmost frontier of Qing Empire ==

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Poomalai]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Poomalai&oldid=98419403 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[PT-76]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PT-76&oldid=98692109 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

While i was making researches i found that a northern frontier of Qing Empire existed before 1689 (the famous treaty of Nerchinsk) it was called : THE WILLOW PALISADE ([[Wade-Giles]]: Liu-t'iao-pien-ch'iang) , a natural border which was built by the Qing Empire in 1678 to counter Russian expansionism in the Far East of Asia. In [[Qianlong]] poem we can see that Shenjing (reigion = Liaoning) and Jilin (region present-day Jilin) were divided by this border.<br>

{{assessment | page=[[PT-91]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PT-91&oldid=98847283 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

I made further researches, on it and i found that the border streches around 900 kms from Mukden/Shenyang/Shenjing to Mudanjiang via the Sungari/Songhua river. According to Qing Empire official documents in 1680, region located outside that palisade were considered as "foreign land". Maybe Heilongjiang have never been under the direct control of the Qing Empire (in addition to that Qianlong poem never mentionned the term of Heilongjiang) at this time and was officially incorporated in the Qing Empire in 1689 (following the signature of the Treaty of Nerchinsk which was advantageous to the Qing Empire).<br>

{{assessment | page=[[Param Vir Chakra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Param_Vir_Chakra&oldid=99031834 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

In addition that when Nurhaci (who became officially Khan of the aisin gurun in 1616), has "unified" all the Jurchens tribes in 1619, following the surrender of the Yehe clan (the last independant Haixi Jurchen clan), that would only mean Haixi and Jianzhou Jurchens but not necessarily the Yeren Jurchens (Wild Jurchens, the ancestors of the Nanai/Hezhen tribes). <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Parâkramabâhu I]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Par%C3%A2kramab%C3%A2hu_I&oldid=98704778 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

We can also add that Heilongjiangcheng ([[Traditional Chinese]] : 黑龍江城), present-day Aigun, was erected between 1669 and 1684, prior to the Yakesa/Albazin Campaign (1685-1687), which meaning that Qing Empire tried to expand its frontier northward (in the direction of the actual Heilongjiang province).<br>

{{assessment | page=[[Quotes on Indo Pak Tank Battles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quotes_on_Indo_Pak_Tank_Battles&oldid=97482623 ] | importance= | date=[[January 15]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Rajput]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&oldid=103366463 ] | importance= | date=[[January 26]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

I'm wondering whether Heilongjiang history prior 1689 have close relationship with Liaoning and Jilin's ones ?<br>

{{assessment | page=[[Rama Raghoba Rane]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rama_Raghoba_Rane&oldid=89216130 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

- Balhae/Bohai never really controlled that region <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Sam Manekshaw]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Manekshaw&oldid=98796152 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

- Liao Dynasty after conquering divided Jurchens into 2 types : the Sheng Jurchens living in Heilongjiang never incorporated within Liao Empire) and the Shu Jurchens the descendant of the Mohe.<br>

{{assessment | page=[[Siege of Delhi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Delhi&oldid=98641617 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Sri Lanka Army]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Lanka_Army&oldid=115517784 ] | importance= | date=[[March 18]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Source : http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-5608(197912)69%3A4%3C599%3ATWP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-7

{{assessment | page=[[Su-30MKI]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Su-30MKI&oldid=98897487 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[User:Whlee|Whlee]] 17:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[T-90]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T-90&oldid=95927078 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[The Royal Indian Navy Mutiny]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Royal_Indian_Navy_Mutiny&oldid=90049750 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{B-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

== Interesting suggestion ? ==

{{assessment | page=[[1 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=96632522 ] | importance= | date=[[March 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[11 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=11_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=98914205 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Following what i wrote above i suggest to split it differently:

{{assessment | page=[[14th Indian Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=14th_Indian_Infantry_Division&oldid=98182714 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

* the '''Amur region''' (= [[Amur river]] basin) corresponding to the "Northern" part of Manchuria/Northeast China or whatever containing :

{{assessment | page=[[17th Infantry Division (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=17th_Infantry_Division_%28India%29&oldid=98182818 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- [[Heilongjiang]]

{{assessment | page=[[19th Infantry Division (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=19th_Infantry_Division_%28India%29&oldid=98182950 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- [[Amur Oblast]]

{{assessment | page=[[2.75 inch Mountain Gun]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2.75_inch_Mountain_Gun&oldid=119448456 ] | importance= | date=[[June 16]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- Southern part of [[Khabarovsk Krai]]

{{assessment | page=[[2001 Indian-Bangladeshi border conflict]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2001_Indian-Bangladeshi_border_conflict&oldid=97483010 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[3 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=98923280 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

* the '''Liaodong''' region (= [[Liao]] river basin) corresponding to the "Southwestern" part of Manchuria/Northeast China or whatever containing:

{{assessment | page=[[3M-54 Klub]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3M-54_Klub&oldid=111506260 ] | importance= | date=[[February 28]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- [[Liaoning]]

{{assessment | page=[[4 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=98923940 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- the former Rehe province (South Liaoning + north Hebei)

{{assessment | page=[[41 Armoured Regiment (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=41_Armoured_Regiment_%28India%29&oldid=99494710 ] | importance= | date=[[January 9]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[4th Infantry Division (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=4th_Infantry_Division_%28India%29&oldid=98183282 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

* the '''Jilin/Maritime''' region (= [[Ussuri]] river basin) corresponding to the "Southeastern" part of Manchuria/Northeast China or whatever containing:

{{assessment | page=[[57 mm AZP S-60]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=57_mm_AZP_S-60&oldid=127829974 ] | importance= | date=[[May 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- [[Jilin]]

{{assessment | page=[[8 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=98925040 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- including [[Primorski Krai]]

{{assessment | page=[[Abdul Hamid (soldier)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abdul_Hamid_%28soldier%29&oldid=97978284 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Afghan Wars]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afghan_Wars&oldid=93788378 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

* Reasons of the suggestions : NEUTRALITY for every parties (Korean, Chinese and also Russian) definied as historical region

{{assessment | page=[[Ajay Ahuja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ajay_Ahuja&oldid=88973663 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- The Amur region (Heilongjiang+Amur oblast) share a common history roughly until 1858 and was a vast region settled by semi-nomadic peoples.

{{assessment | page=[[Albert Ekka]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albert_Ekka&oldid=98672226 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- The Liaodong (Liaoning+Rehe) region was heavily civilized and was a strategical region disputed by countries and kingdom.

{{assessment | page=[[Andrew Scott (VC)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Scott_%28VC%29&oldid=112713353 ] | importance= | date=[[May 20]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- Heilongjiang = Amur everybody will be easily recognized by Chinese and Russian.

{{assessment | page=[[Anglo-Iraqi War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anglo-Iraqi_War&oldid=101970162 ] | importance= | date=[[January 27]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- Liaodong is neutral to Korean party and will not insult Chinese party as well. In addition to that Liaodong was employed all along the history from Goguryeo until recently Liaodong peninsula.

{{assessment | page=[[Anglo-Mysore Wars]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anglo-Mysore_Wars&oldid=97463037 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- Manchuria (considered is an insult) and Northeast China (which enfuriated Korean party) are not employed.

{{assessment | page=[[Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran&oldid=97482863 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- During the Qing Dynasty , that region was divided in 3 parts :

{{assessment | page=[[Antonov An-32]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonov_An-32&oldid=103281549 ] | importance= | date=[[January 26]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> The gouvernor-genereal of Heilongjiang/Amur on the north whose power extended, according to the Treaty of Nerchinsk, as far north as the Stanovoy Mountains

{{assessment | page=[[Anuj Nayyar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anuj_Nayyar&oldid=96387303 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> Gouvernement-general of [[Shengjing]] (or Mukden/Shenyang) on the southwest, whose power extended over the Liaodong region convering roughly northern Hebei, Liaoning, southeastern Inner Mongolia and northwetsern Jilin.

{{assessment | page=[[Ardeshir Tarapore]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ardeshir_Tarapore&oldid=89215901 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> Gouvernement-general of Ninguta/[[Jilin]] region controlling the southeastern part, whose power reached the [[Sea of Japan]] (East Sea).

{{assessment | page=[[Arjun (MBT)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arjun_%28MBT%29&oldid=86557309 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- [[Songhua]]/Sungari River would cut that region in three part :

{{assessment | page=[[Arjun MBT]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arjun_MBT&oldid=96870372 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::>Liaodong on the west,

{{assessment | page=[[Arun Khetarpal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arun_Khetarpal&oldid=89644859 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> Jilin/Martime on the East

{{assessment | page=[[Assam Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assam_Rifles&oldid=88566610 ] | importance= | date=[[January 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> and Amur region on the north.

{{assessment | page=[[Baji Prabhu Deshpande]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baji_Prabhu_Deshpande&oldid=98363506 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::> Illustration : [http://www.hkrs.org.hk/members/crush/CER.files/image006.jpg See link]

{{assessment | page=[[Bana Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bana_Singh&oldid=95731773 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::>* I hope that this suggestion would help everybody to find an agreement.[[User:Whlee|Whlee]] 16:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Bangalore torpedo]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangalore_torpedo&oldid=99045031 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bangor class minesweeper]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangor_class_minesweeper&oldid=83884253 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. What does Northeast China got to do with Koreans? If the term "infuriates" Koreans, then what's it doing in Korean news articles [http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20070515/910000000020070515202128E8.html]? By the way, have you been to Yan Ji? I can almost assure you that most ethnic Chaoxian Zu people there refer to themselves as "Dong Bei Ren." [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 21:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Bathurst class corvette]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bathurst_class_corvette&oldid=95217478 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> I'm sorry infuriated is nos the suitable term i would use, my english proficiency is a bit low you know. probably offend is a better term i dunno.

{{assessment | page=[[Battaglione Azad Hindoustan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battaglione_Azad_Hindoustan&oldid=86351336 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> i haven't been in Yanji (Yeongil) yet but i wish to go there someday. It wouuld be interesting to ask them if they considered themselves as : Manchurian, Northeasterners, Korean, Chinese, Chinese Korean or Korean Chinese?

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Asal Uttar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Asal_Uttar&oldid=95137706 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> [http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20070515/910000000020070515202128E8.html i'm not able to open your link]

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Atgram]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Atgram&oldid=103823026 ] | importance= | date=[[January 28]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> Liaodong peninsula was widely use since Tang campaign against Goguryeo at around 650s until the 20th century.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Boyra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Boyra&oldid=92063294 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> if you describe that region like this : Liaodong is located in the '''southwestern part of Northeast China''' it is right but it makes us puzzled.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Chillianwala]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Chillianwala&oldid=102870288 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::> Jilin (the '''southeastern part of Northeast China''' and Heilongjiang the'''northern part of Northeast China''' respectivley. Manchuria would be more suitable in that case but most of Chinese consider Manchuria as a taboo. Then avoiding terms like Northeast China and Manchuria although both of them are right would help diminished revert edit war significantly.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Colachel]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Colachel&oldid=99073244 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[User:Whlee|Whlee]] 07:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Garibpur]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Garibpur&oldid=92030057 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Ghaghra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ghaghra&oldid=97489406 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Personally, I think using river basins may be a good idea, such as "History of Liao river basin" or "History of Usuri river basin".

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Gully Ravine]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Gully_Ravine&oldid=105585207 ] | importance= | date=[[April 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:> Liao river basin can be replaced by synonyms like Liaodong (i wont apply Guandong because it can also be considered as a taboo terms to Chinese see Kwantung or Kantogun)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Hill 60 (Gallipoli)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Hill_60_%28Gallipoli%29&oldid=119419058 ] | importance= | date=[[April 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

However, the problem is that this will make things very complex and repetative, and will run into some practical problems. For example, in [[Goguryeo]], do we have to include all three history templates? And wasn't the Yalu river basin the main impetus of Goguryeo? And wouldn't that many templates really clutter the article? We should just go with the name that is commonly used in English - Manchuria.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Hilli]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Hilli&oldid=95695901 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:> Goguryeo was only located on Liaodong and Jilin region and the Taedong and han basin region( Pyongyang and seoul respectively) but not on the amur region. Jilin region can be considered as the motherland of Balhae kingdom, Jin dynasty while Liaodong region is the motherland of Khitan Liao (it's logical). Excepting Goguryeo basin and some minor post-balhae/pohai kingdom Yalu river was not the motherland of anyother kingdom creating thta template would lack support.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Imphal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Imphal&oldid=97482762 ] | importance= | date=[[January 21]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

This template itself was a compromise that Korean editors accepted with reluctunce. Further pushing for Chinese POV that has little support from evidence undermine this compromise and will only worsen things.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Kandahar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kandahar&oldid=97500062 ] | importance= | date=[[January 21]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:> this was the only suitable solution i found up to now to find an agreement between all of the parties.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Kolhapur]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kolhapur&oldid=97489195 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

But again, I think naming the templates with their corresponding river basins is a very good idea. Manchuria lacks a historiography, so river basins, being physical real-world entities, may be a good place to start, but the problem is that there are some practical barriers to achieving this. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 22:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Longewala]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Longewala&oldid=96047595 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Panipat (1761)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Panipat_%281761%29&oldid=106136853 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

How about changing History of Korea to History of Han River Basin?<br>

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Panipat (1761)archive1]] | importance= | date=[[June 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 04:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Patan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Patan&oldid=113657032 ] | importance= | date=[[March 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

: [[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] , replacing History of Korea by History of Han River Basin doesn't have a sense because :

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Pavan Khind]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Pavan_Khind&oldid=97489222 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:- Silla kingdom developped its culture on naktong river

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Plassey]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Plassey&oldid=97500157 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:- Baekje near the Han river and then moves southwards

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Pokoku and Irrawaddy River operations]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Pokoku_and_Irrawaddy_River_operations&oldid=97482649 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:- Goguryeo was created on the Yalu banks and then moves its capital to the Taedong basin

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Pratapgarh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Pratapgarh&oldid=98363668 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:- the existence of "Korea" can start between 668/676 when the three kingdom united forces have beaten Tang forces of the Andong protectorate.

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Rajasthan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Rajasthan&oldid=115469818 ] | importance= | date=[[March 26]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:- modern day Korea borders were fixed in 1433 by Sejong of Joseon

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Saragarhi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Saragarhi&oldid=97482788 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Saraighat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Saraighat&oldid=97490001 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

==History of Manchuria==

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Seringapatam]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Seringapatam&oldid=97490096 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Swally]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Swally&oldid=97448092 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

This is a template on History of Manchuria, not Northeast China. The previous consensus on [[Goguryeo]] was to place a template of History of Manchuria, which was why this template was created in the first place. Also, as I've said previously, you cannot selectively apply NPOV to push for one POV while denying its application for the other POV. And besides, most of those sources use the word "Manchuria" anyways. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 12:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Talikota]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Talikota&oldid=99023245 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Tanga]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Tanga&oldid=97477245 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Look, I think we have given you enough time to raise your objections to this case. For close to a week now, you have made no attempts to counter our proposal. And the fact that you made ''no'' arguments on the validity on the issue of renaming the template gives you no right to change the consensus we have built up:

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Yenangyaung]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Yenangyaung&oldid=83836720 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of the Ten Kings]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings&oldid=97482971 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:''The three parties - Whlee[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AHistory_of_Manchuria&diff=130055739&oldid=130054680], Wiki pokemon and I - currently involved in this discussion (or debate, if you will) are already trying to work out a solution. I have repeatedly made my rounds on the discussion page explaining the reasons behind my edits. In fact, we have been getting rather close towards a general sense of consensus with what looks like Whlee supporting a "History of Northeast China" template (minor problems notwithstanding) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AHistory_of_Manchuria&diff=130055739&oldid=130054680].''

{{assessment | page=[[Black Swan class sloop]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Swan_class_sloop&oldid=90916414 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[British Indian Army]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Indian_Army&oldid=97778796 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Not only that, your insistence on using the term "Manchuria" is historically flawed. The fact that you reverted to the title of "History of Manchuria (present day NE China/RFE)" - as well as removal of the Donghu/Xiongnu - shows that you have no interest in maintaining a historically-accurate template. We have already reached an agreement on renaming the "History of Russian Manchuria" template to be changed to "History of the Priamurye region." In line with this agreement, we have decided to change the naming of this template to the "History of Northeast China."

{{assessment | page=[[Buffel]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffel&oldid=127273519 ] | importance= | date=[[May 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Burma Campaign]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burma_Campaign&oldid=97360174 ] | importance= | date=[[February 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Regarding the Gaogouli dispute, we reached a ''rough agreement'' - not a ''consensus''. There is also no policy against our actions. If you re-examine the polls, you'd see that most of the Chinese editors were not in favor of the HoM/HoK template. And I believe I made myself quite clear in the discussion pages (see above/Gaogouli talk page):

{{assessment | page=[[Calcutta Light Horse]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Calcutta_Light_Horse&oldid=113404811 ] | importance= | date=[[March 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Capture of Lucknow]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capture_of_Lucknow&oldid=92238457 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:''Manchuria is a more recent concept than Northeast China. As explained countless times above, Northeast China = Manchuria, only that NE China is a more "legitimate" definition. The other template is currently not in use and refers to the same thing. The so-called "consensus" was based on a survey, but according to the official policies of Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes#Conduct_a_survey] on resolving disputes (under conduct a survey), ''a survey cannot generate consensus, but is helpful for understanding it.'' Technically, it does not qualify to be a consensus, but I have made it clear that "I will go along with the decision for now," on the condition that the title of the template is to be addressed. Not only that, this template is not limited to the Gaogouli article.''

{{assessment | page=[[Central India Campaign (1858)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Central_India_Campaign_%281858%29&oldid=92238481 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Chakram]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chakram&oldid=96876871 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:You have accused us of trying to push our "POV" in order to have this template to be renamed. And yet - as stated above - you made no attempts to join in the discussions. I could hardly believe you are in a position to unilaterally revert back to the previous template.

{{assessment | page=[[Chapslee Estate]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chapslee_Estate&oldid=88984570 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Charles George Arbuthnot]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_George_Arbuthnot&oldid=98539687 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Anyway, if you want to challenge what has been done, open up a new thread and join in on the discussions. Otherwise, I will have no choice but to file a case against you for disruption. Thanks. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 14:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Chhelu Ram]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chhelu_Ram&oldid=104994538 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Chola-Chalukya wars]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chola-Chalukya_wars&oldid=97459137 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Most of the cited sources refer to Manchuria as, well, Manchuria. And I've already made my point and it still stands - you cannot selectively apply NPOV sources for one POV while denying its application for the other. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 14:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Commander-in-chief]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commander-in-chief&oldid=96498520 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[East African Campaign (World War II)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_African_Campaign_%28World_War_II%29&oldid=98781279 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::All the sources clearly explain that Manchuria is Northeast China and NE province of China. None explain that Manchuria is Manchuria. Half mentioned that Manchuria is historic. Plus you clearly approve and have no objection about using NPOV sources for editing, which is exactly what we are doing. I and other responsible editors have not deny you to do the same. I have seen you making lots of edits using NPOV sources successfully.

{{assessment | page=[[English Electric Canberra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=English_Electric_Canberra&oldid=105265027 ] | importance= | date=[[February 3]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 04:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Farkhor Air Base]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Farkhor_Air_Base&oldid=96203684 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Fazal Din]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fazal_Din&oldid=120949394 ] | importance= | date=[[April 30]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::::If a dictionary or an encyclopedia explains an entry on "Manchuria" simply as "Manchuria", then what's the purpose of their existence? [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 04:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Field Marshal (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Field_Marshal_%28India%29&oldid=78482364 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[First Anglo-Afghan War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Anglo-Afghan_War&oldid=96588036 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

There is a simple reason that the proposed formulation of having "Northeast China" as the heading of the template doesn't work: the template, and the article, include a large part of what is now Russia. No matter what is your view on the issue of whether any of the states existing in history were "Chinese" or not in nature, it is clearly not currently accurate. There is not a whole lot that I agree with Cydevil38 on, but this is one thing I agree with, and I think with good reason. I also see that his removal of [[Xiongnu]] and [[Donghu]] was cited as evidence that he doesn't play by consensus (although he didn't remove them this time). I don't think there's a consensus that Xiongnu, in particular, belongs on this template: there is no real evidence that Xiongnu ruled any part of what is now Manchuria. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 05:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[First Anglo-Maratha War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Anglo-Maratha_War&oldid=97459142 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Removal of Donghu and Xiongnu was not intentional. While I have some doubts about Xiongnu, Donghu is certainly an important ethnic group in the History of Manchuria. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 05:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Francis Aylmer Maxwell]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Aylmer_Maxwell&oldid=114926090 ] | importance= | date=[[May 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Godfrey Meynell]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Godfrey_Meynell&oldid=105524460 ] | importance= | date=[[May 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

== Request for Comment ==

{{assessment | page=[[Gorkha regiments (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gorkha_regiments_%28India%29&oldid=98923514 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Should this template be titled "History of [[Manchuria]]"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Manchuria&oldid=134933378], or "History of [[Northeast China]]"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Manchuria&oldid=134914256]? [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 05:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Gurbachan Singh Salaria]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurbachan_Singh_Salaria&oldid=93665731 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Gurkha War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurkha_War&oldid=97469225 ] | importance= | date=[[January 21]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*'''History of Northeast China'''. Manchuria = Northeast China. They are interchangeable. There is no country called Manchuria. There never was. [[Manchukuo]] was a Japanese puppet state and we should not be supporting the position of the Imperial Japanese on Wikipedia. --[[User:Naus|Naus]] 05:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[History of the Indian Navy]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Indian_Navy&oldid=98372186 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::On the issue of the territory that is now in Russia, we can just use a separate Russian Far East template, rather than combining everything into a pseudo-historic, pseudo-academic "History of Manchuria." Manchuria didn't exist during the time of Balhae either. --[[User:Naus|Naus]] 05:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Hoshiar Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hoshiar_Singh&oldid=90441887 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Naus's comment should be discounted as a third-party opinion since this editor has been an active disputant on the Goguryeo topic. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 05:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Hugh Henry Gough]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugh_Henry_Gough&oldid=104997895 ] | importance= | date=[[February 26]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::You are no different. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 01:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[III Corps (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=III_Corps_%28India%29&oldid=96857275 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*'''Statement''' I would like to inform the outside commentors that there was a delicate consensus on the "History of Manchuria" template at the [[Goguryeo]] article, and creation of this template, which is based on no reliable source, was made to prevent constant revert warring.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Goguryeo#Next_straw_poll:_navigational_templates] Assault11 being one of the few digressors continues to dispute this consensus by furthering his POV. I have raised my objections in the talk page, and I saw progressing discussion made mosstly by Assault11 and Wikipokemon as repetitive and rather pointless to the relevant issues at hand, that the common English word for Manchuria is Manchuria, not Northeast China or Dongbei. Even most of the cited sources that Wikipokemon used as evidence are entries on the word Manchuria.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:History_of_Manchuria#Continue_Discussion_:_Manchuria_.3D_Northeast_China] The common English usage being '''Manchuria''' this name should be used for this template. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 05:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[INS Delhi (1948)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INS_Delhi_%281948%29&oldid=89106562 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[INS Khukri]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INS_Khukri&oldid=95046129 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

I repeat my own position previously to claims that Manchuria is an artificial construct created by the Japanese: it wasn't. As a construct, it was created by [[Huang Taiji]]. As far as artificial is concerned, "Manchuria," as defined on the article itself, has natural geographic boundaries that makes it a fairly cohesive geographic whole that is more homogenous than heterogeneous -- and, if one takes the position that it is too artificial to constitute a proper unit of historical consideration, it should be noted that "Northeast China" is even more artificial, as those boundaries were not formed until 1900.

{{assessment | page=[[INS Vikrant]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INS_Vikrant&oldid=88607642 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:> Being agree with Nlu i bring you some illustrations :

{{assessment | page=[[INS Viraat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INS_Viraat&oldid=101780017 ] | importance= | date=[[January 20]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- A [http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/asia_1892_amer_ency_brit.jpg map of Asia] dating '''from 1890''' by Rand, Mc Nally & Co. <br>

{{assessment | page=[[INSAS 5.56 mm]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=INSAS_5.56_mm&oldid=98666628 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::- Another [http://www.hkrs.org.hk/members/crush/CER.files/image006.jpg map] dating '''from 1897''' (= date of the creation the the 3 provinces)

{{assessment | page=[[Imperial Maratha Conquests]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Imperial_Maratha_Conquests&oldid=102278942 ] | importance= | date=[[January 23]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:> Conclusion : Manchuria is not an artificial construct created by the Japanese.

{{assessment | page=[[Indian 20th Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_20th_Infantry_Division&oldid=97077987 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

If anything, the lack of a current state named "Manchuria" makes it a better term for NPOVness, as using "Northeast China" is really analogous to using, say, "historical Northern Korea," which would be the Korean analog to using "Northeast China" for that same geographic area, if it actually is in common usage. (In any case, "Northeast China" would be historically inaccurate, as it wasn't northeast China until relatively recent times.) --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 05:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Armed Forces]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Armed_Forces&oldid=98900100 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Home Guard]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Home_Guard&oldid=88567940 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:I agree that Manchuria would be the best name for this template, for several reasons, some of which are listed above. The maps posted above clearly demonstrate that Manchuria is not a construction of the Japanese (how could they have done so in 1897 if they hadn't invaded it until 1931?) I agree with Cydevil's argument that the most common English name for Manchuria in Manchuria. Also, I support Manchuria for the NPOV reason stated by Nlu above. [[User:Parsecboy|Parsecboy]] 11:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Indianisation]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indianisation&oldid=90804417 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indo-Pakistani_wars_and_conflicts&oldid=97743738 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*'''History of Northeast China'''. The modern ''geographic'' concept of "满洲" did not materialize until the 20th century - most notably, the establishment of the Japanese puppet regime of "'''満州'''国". The term created by [[Huang Taiji]] was "満州族" - an '''ethnic''' group, NOT the landmass.

{{assessment | page=[[Indra Lal Roy]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indra_Lal_Roy&oldid=90392649 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Jadu Nath Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jadu_Nath_Singh&oldid=93905899 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Just how is "满洲" NPOV? This term was NEVER used officially by China - not even the Manchus used it to refer to this area. Are you telling me we should go change [[Myanmar]] back to [[Burma]] for the same reasons being argued for "Manchuria"?

{{assessment | page=[[James Blair (VC)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Blair_%28VC%29&oldid=93167972 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[James William Adams]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_William_Adams&oldid=94165293 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Take a look at the news articles for Manchuria [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=manchuria&btnG=Search], a significant portion of these are connected to the Japanese puppet regime/World War II, and '''almost all''' of them refer to events in the early 20th century. In contrast, almost all major news articles today - whether it be the Internet, TV, etc. - use the term "Northeast China" (in fact, just a couple of weeks ago, the mining accident in Liaoning was reported by both the CNN/BBC on TV) [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=northeast+China&btnG=Search] (Note, most of them are reported by non-Chinese/foreign news sites).

{{assessment | page=[[Jat Regiment]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jat_Regiment&oldid=103650700 ] | importance= | date=[[February 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Jean-Baptiste Ventura]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jean-Baptiste_Ventura&oldid=75390879 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Fact is, Northeast China is '''by far''' more popular than "Manchuria" nowadays. The people of the region call themselves "东北人." The regional accent is something that makes the people stand out. Famous people/comedians like 赵本山 are known to be stereotypical 东北人, with their crude sounding colloquial "Northeasterner" accent. The list goes on. Try going to China and asking where 满洲 is will probably get you in a lot of trouble. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 00:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Jean-François Allard]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Allard&oldid=74870603 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[John Forster FitzGerald]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Forster_FitzGerald&oldid=97303874 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:But again, the problem is that the term is sinocentric -- and excludes the parts of the same ''geographic'' unit that currently are parts of Russia. I am highly doubtful the people of the non-Chinese parts of the same geographic region would refer to themselves as 東北人, now or ever in the past. If you find "Manchuria" problematic, at least try to think of another non-sinocentric term that would have some usage in English. (Note also that Dongbei is a geographically problematic term because the article doesn't restrict itself to what is now currently Chinese territory.) --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 02:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Kambampati Nachiketa]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kambampati_Nachiketa&oldid=97131086 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:It should also be noted that [[Manchuria]] is a much more firmly established article in Wikipedia itself, having been translated into '''31 languages'''. Also, Manchuria is the common term in not just English, but also the respective languages of surrounding countries like Korea, Russia and Japan. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 03:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Kanhoji Angre]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kanhoji_Angre&oldid=95304298 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Maybe because the region was ''Chinese'' to begin with? The Manchus are a Chinese entity, and one of the original founding Chinese ethnic groups according to 五族共和. The territories lost to Russia are no longer Chinese territory, although the area shares a common past history with the rest of Northeast China. There is already a template about the Russian region "Priamurye" [[Template: History of the Priamurye region]] (though template is still in progress). And it is fair to say that Northeast China inherited the legacy of this region considering the the main ethnic groups (Mohe - Nuzhen - Manzu, hence the name "'''满洲'''") are now Chinese.

{{assessment | page=[[Katar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katar&oldid=98825978 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Funny Cydevil pointed that out. The [[Manchuria]] article is a complete joke (see the tags?). Not to mention the occassional Korean vandalism [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchuria&diff=121065730&oldid=121061554] on that page. [[Northeast China]] on the other hand... Enough said. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 04:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Khanda (religious symbol)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khanda_%28religious_symbol%29&oldid=95624907 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Khemkaran]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khemkaran&oldid=96282623 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

But you still haven't addressed the real problem: let's say for a moment that you're right and that the template can and should address only the three northeastern provinces of China. This causes a major problem: the template would no longer do what it was intended to do: to serve as a navigation template dealing with all the peoples/states which are part of the history of the region, because restricting it to the three provinces means that you now have to deal with unverifiable claims of, for example, how much the [[Mohe]] were actually within the current confines of the three provinces. (That's leaving aside the problem that the template was created as a compromise.) There simply isn't a way to isolate the history of the three provinces from the rest of the region, and therefore, any template that implies a separate history for the three provinces as opposed to the currently Russian parts of the territory is, to be put bluntly, a historical fraud. (Now, the only part of the territory we're discussing that ''might'' justifiably have its own historical navigational template is [[Liaodong Peninsula]], as it really does, in many ways, have a separate traceable and verifiable history of its own, but no one is suggesting that at the moment.) A major point of NPOV is that Wikipedia should not have systematic biases, whether it be U.S.-centric, U.K.-centric, Korea-centric (as I've criticized the many attempts by Korean editors to inject Korea-centric views into [[East Sea]], for example), or, in this case, Sinocentric.

{{assessment | page=[[King's Commissioned Indian Officer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King%27s_Commissioned_Indian_Officer&oldid=76056243 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Re-read your own writing -- do you realize just how Sinocentric your viewpoint is? Stop thinking in terms of what needs to be stated in the Chinese (or Northeast Chinese) point of view: think about what needs to be stated from a neutral point of view that favors neither the Chinese, the Korean, or the Russian viewpoint on this, whether modern or historical. I think Nurhaci and Huang Taiji would have found your idea that "[t]he Manchus are a Chinese entity" absolutely astounding and ludicrous, and while they may not be around any more, the template, being a ''historical'' navigational template, still needs to make itself neither Sinocentric nor revisionist. "[T]he region was 'Chinese' to begin with"? That's simply unbelievably untrue, and I don't know how you can even manage to write that statement with a straight face. In any case, tags don't prove that the articles have a problem; anyone can put tags on.

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Just as how Koreans don't own the history of Goguryeo by themselves, the Chinese don't own the history of the region, even when you're artificially confining it to the three provinces. (Note also just how fluid the political adjustments were; during the ROC times, the three provinces covered a lot more territory than they currently do.) An ownership mentality is not conduciive to NPOVness, and that's what you've been exhibiting. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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:In some ways, this issue is more-or-less similar to the Sino-Indian dispute over parts of [[South Tibet]]/[[Arunachal Pradesh]]. After all, the Indian-administered areas corresponding to what China claims as part of "Zangnan" were historically Tibetan (people/states). Even today, the ethnic composition of the area is mostly related to Tibetan. I don't see a problem at all with identifying Northeast China. For one thing, this term is used much more regularly than the outdated and historically inaccurate term "Manchuria." It is generally accepted and a laid down fact that the Mohe later "evolved" into the Nuzhen, which in turn became the Manzu (Manchus). As we all know, the Manchus are one of the 56 ethnic minorities of China and one of the five "founding" ethnic groups of modern China (ROC) at that. They also provided Emperors to the China as well as the establishment of its last dynasty. In contrast, I don't recall the USSR/Russia identifying Manchus in its national census/as one of its official ethnic minorities (even if they did, probably would've been classified under "Chinese"). You say that the term "Northeast China" is "sinocentric," while at the same time ''denying'' the fact that Manchus are as Chinese as any other ethnic group (including Han). You also ignore the fact that modern construct of Dongbei Sansheng is derived from the Qing's (or "Manchus," just to get the point across) Dong Sansheng. You tend to equate the term "[[Sinocentrism]]" ('''Zhongguo''' Zhongxin Zhuyi) with "[[Han chauvinism]] (Da '''Han'''zu Zhuyi) - which is flat out wrong. And yes, the region was indeed "Chinese" to begin with, at least just as "Chinese" as any other non-Central Plains entity that is also considered "Chinese" (see [[Guangdong]], [[Zhejiang]], [[Jiangsu]], and dare I say, [[Taiwan]]). Its just that your Han-centric definition of "Chinese" differs significantly from mine. Tags or not, Northeast China is still much more widely used nowadays than the outdated term "Manchuria." [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 16:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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::But this is a "current status justifies retrospective historical characterization" argument. Your logic is circular: the region is Chinese because it is now Northeast China, and it should be called Northeast China because it is Chinese. Whether Han-centric or not, the historical fact is, until the middle of Qing Dynasty (when the Manchu = Chinese concept began), the region (other than Liaodong Peninsula) was not considered by anyone to be Chinese, and it certainly wasn't Northeast China -- at the time of Song Dynasty, for example, if you referred to "Northeast China," all listeners will assume that you are talking of modern central and southern Hebei, and even in Ming Dynasty, the capital (Beijing) itself would have been considered "Northeast China."

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::Your attempt to bring the issues of Guangdong and Zhejiang and Jiangsu into this is simply trying to compare apples and oranges. Guangdong and Zhejiang became parts of China back in the Han Dynasty -- over 2,000 years ago. That's not true of the three provinces. And you haven't addressed one of my objections -- that using the three provinces as the basis for the template is far more arbitrarily geographically and historically. Do you propose to include the eastern 1/3 of the current Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region into this discussion? (After all, as late as 1945, at least on paper, they were still part of the three provinces.) If not, why not? There is no good historical reason to exclude it, other than "because the PRC doesn't include it into the three provinces." There is similarly no good reason to exclude the currently Russian parts of the region.

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::If you disagree, then consider the issue: modern northern Vietnam was a part of China from the times of Han Dynasty until the end of [[Southern Han]], for a period of about 1,000 years. Is the history of northern Vietnam, ''during those times'', a part of Chinese history? Of course it is. But under your "current political boundary"-centric view, one would have to excise all references to those currently northern Vietnamese locations while discussing the history of southern China.

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::And your use of PRC official definitions of Chinese ethnic minorities to justify your arguments simply doesn't hold water. Those official definitions are for administrative and political purposes and cannot be used to justify the wording in a ''historical'' article (or, in this case, a historical navigation template). If Taiwan becomes united with the PRC, I assume "Japanese" will become an official ethnic minority of the PRC (as there is still a significant number of ethnic Japanese with ROC citizenship in Taiwan). That doesn't mean that, all of a sudden, by an act of political unity, suddenly we can make Japanese history part of Chinese history. What you are proposing isn't as drastic or as ridiculous, but it is on the path to that slippery slope.

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::Again, NPOV means that the point of view needs to be neutral. In order for you to even start approximating NPOV, you need to stop getting your ideas just from the PRC official view of history, nationalism, and geography. How the PRC government views things is a view that needs to be considered in NPOV, but by definition of NPOV cannot be the one that predominates over all others just because it's the official PRC view. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 18:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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:::No, my argument is not ''solely'' based on current status. The modern terminology used to describe the region is "Northeast China," but this term is derived from the very name the Manchus used during the Qing Dynasty. In contrast, the notion of a "geographic Manchuria" NEVER existed as far as the Qing or any of its successors were concerned. So how exactly is "'''Manchu'''ria" legitimate when it was not even recognized by the Qing? During the Song Dynasty, the Northeast of the empire may have been located in modern-day Hebei province, but by the time of the [[Southern Song]], the Nuzhen Jin Dynasty asserted its claim to the [[Mandate of Heaven]] (it can be argued that Jin was a more "legitimate" Chinese Dynasty than the Song) and the S. Song then became a subordinate state to Jin. In this respect, the "Northeast" of China by the did indeed stretch into modern-day Northeast China. Even during the Yuan Dynasty, there were 3 levels of hierarchy established by the Mongols (a fourth later on for southerners) according the Chuogeng Lu by Tao Zongyi. The term "Chinese" (''Han ren'') was applied not only for Northern Han populations, but also sinicized peoples of Northern China, including the Nuzhen (Jurchen) and Qidan (Khitan). During the Ming Dynasty, the Jianzhou Nuzhen technically were not regarded as "foreigners" since they served as vassals of the Ming Dynasty.

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:::Likewise, during the Han Dynasty, parts of southern Northeast China and North Korea came under "Chinese" control. However, the main point is that national borders do in fact, change. While parts of Inner Mongolia may have been once part of the Three Provinces, it does not mean the areas that used to belong to the Northeast have to be included, it just means that these areas share a common past history with the rest of Northeast China. The same applies to Russia and your reference to Vietnam. Hell, even areas located within the Northeast had their borders changed, the areas of what is now western Jilin province used to be part of Heilongjiang.

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:::This isn't a matter of "official PRC definitions of ethnic minorities," IIRC, the ROC was the first to designate Northern ethnic minorities as part of 五族共和. I could hardly believe that the number of ethnic Japanese holding ROC citizenship in Taiwan is sizable enough to become an "ethnic minority" - not even in Taiwan, nevermind on the Mainland. Last time I checked, a good 98% of Taiwan are ethnic Han (including the Kejia, related to the Han), the rest are aborigines. To compare the Japanese on Taiwan with the ethnic minorities in the Northeast (Manchus is the second largest minority in China today) is misleading on so many levels, I'm beginning to think that was a joke.

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:::As far as I'm concerned, this is not an issue of "official PRC view of history" and whatnot. This is an issue of historiography. As of now, there is no proof that "满洲" is a well-supported geographic concept. This term was not even used by the Manchus to refer to the area, despite its name. If that fact were to be proven otherwise, I would gladly accept "History of Manchuria" as the title of this template, but this is clearly not the case as of this posting. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 20:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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You claim that your argument is not solely based on current status, but given that you are confining your argument that "Northeast China" is proper by arguing only about the three provinces, it can only be about the current status, as even status 70 years ago or 120 years ago would not have supported your arguments, as the three provinces' borders were at those times very different than they are now. You are imposing the current man-made borders of only less than 68 years in history into a template that spans thousands of years. The inescapable conclusion is that you are imposing the PRC official interpretation onto this template. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 00:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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:And Manchuria is supposed to span "thousands of years"? Mind you the establishment of 満州族 by Huang Taiji was only around 400 years ago, and thats not even referring to the area. The only time "Manchuria" became a geographic entity was in the early 20th century. The region of the Three Provinces of the East during the Qing Dynasty was used well before that time. In short, the establishment of these Three Provinces was not a PRC creation. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 01:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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::400 years is a lot longer than 68 years. In any case, the three provinces' area during the Qing Dynasty is very different than the area of the three provinces now. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 04:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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:::Yeah, 400 years since the creation of the [[Manchu]] '''ethnic''' group - NOT the geographic region. As different as they may be, the name "Northeast China" derived from this very geographic entity established during the Qing, the same cannot be said for Manchuria. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 04:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Compass]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Compass&oldid=93184018 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

What I don't get from you guys is that nobody else is bothered by the template. Manchuria is simply used to describe the geographic region and I don't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 13:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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I have already pointed out that Manchuria and Russia are mutually exclusive. Manchuria according to all sources only refers to Chinese territory, Russian territory is not included even if Manchuria once occupy it (and we are not even sure when the word 'Manchuria' is invented). If 'Manchuria' (not 満州) is invented (by who? nobody has any sources to support.) before Russia took the Maritime from Qing, then Manchuria once occupy NE China and Russian Maritime, but today Manchuria only refers to NE China (I have provided many NPOV sources above), thus Manchuria has political implication in it's boundary, it is only refers to Chinese territory. If 'Manchuria' (not 満州) is invented after Russia took Maritime, then Manchuria is strictly NE China and might be arguable that it is a geographic term. Whatever the case Manchuria is NE China today (see all NPOV sources I provided, if you want to say otherwise please provide your sources), adding Russia is forcing your own interpretation (unless you can support with NPOV sources), and confliciting with all NPOV sources I provided above.<br>

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[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 18:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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To [[User talk:Nlu|Nlu]], you have stated in your talk page that you do not have a strong position on this. It looks like this is not true since you are aruging very strongly on this issue. So you indeed have violated wikipedia policy for reverting changes to a position you favor and immediately protecting the page. You should decide if you want to be an admin, or (exclusive or here) a participant in edit.<br>

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[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 18:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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:::There seems to be a lack of communication here, Wiki pokemon. I showed you this map that Wikipedia uses to describe Manchuria. It includes northeast China AND parts of Russia. I still don't have an answer as to why "Manchuria" is such a negative word. To China, it may be offensive since it brings discussion about Manchukuo, etc, but english speakers are fine with this. Do you see anyone else arguing for Northeast China here? [[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 19:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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::::Yes, there is a lack of communication. I am using authoritative references to support my view (actually just using the authoritative references view). But you are using Wikipedia to support your view, which is just self referencing if you are going to use it to edit Wikipedia. Why is this not a good idea, you go figure it out. Why is "Manchuria" offensive? I don't know why, I know many people who are labeled with it is offended, its your choice whether to respect them or not. Plus it doesn't matter too because Manchuria is NE China is the only authoritative English NPOV sources verifiable fact, nothing else is, you have provided ZERO (other than Wikipedia Manchuria page).

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::::[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 00:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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[[Image:Manchuria.png|thumb|250px]]

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:You might dispute whether they're references to the people or the geographic region, but it is my opinion that the first arguable reference to Manchuria as a geographic entity was back in the times of [[Huang Taiji]] -- in [[1638]] (Chongde 3), when the offices of ''Manzhou Chengzheng'' (滿洲承政) (ministers over Manchuria/Manchu) were created, apparently in imitation to [[Liao Dynasty]]'s northern and southern administrations.[http://www.angelibrary.com/oldies/qsg/003.htm] A clearer geographic (but I'll admit it's still debatable) reference was in [[1668]], during the reign of [[Kangxi Emperor]], when the official Kuadai was made the ''Manzhou Dutong'' (滿州都統, which I'd translate as "governor general of Manchuria", but again, I'll admit that alternative views are possible -- possibly as "commander of the Manchu forces").[http://www.angelibrary.com/oldies/qsg/006.htm] The geographic volumes of the ''Draft History of Qing'' are somewhat problematic, as in the volumes on Fengtian[http://www.angelibrary.com/oldies/qsg/055.htm] and Jiling Provinces[http://www.angelibrary.com/oldies/qsg/056.htm] don't use ''Manzhou'' much, but there are plenty of references to ''Manzhou'' in the volume on Heilongjiang,[http://www.angelibrary.com/oldies/qsg/057.htm] and the references appear to be geographic in nature, in my opinion -- in particular, there were reference to a part of Heilongjiang (which would include the area north of the [[Amur River]]) as ''Xin Manzhou'' (新滿洲 -- i.e., "New Manchruia"). I think that one cannot conclude that the references to ''Manzhou'' were purely to the people and not the region long before the 20th century.

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:As far as "not having a strong position on this," I was referring to whether the template should ''include'' "Northeast China," not whether it should ''exclude'' "Manchuria." Excluding "Manchuria" makes it geographically and historically inaccurate, unless you want to start getting into the impossible task of dividing the history of the regions that are now parts of China and Russia. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 20:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Regardless of when the term "Manchuria" was coined, the fact is that today it has the most common usage in English sources, as well as those of other languages. [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 22:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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:Regardless of when the term "Manchuria" was coined, the fact is that today it is NE China only. So far this is the only verifiable interpretation by authoritative references (see my sources). Do you have any verifiable sources which says that Manchuria includes Russian territory also? So far all other interpretation of 'Manchuria', 'Inner & Outer Manchuria' and 'Russain Manchuria' do not have verifiable sources. Do you have proof that Manchuria has the most common usage in English sources? Even if you have proof, you have to stick to the verifiable fact that Manchuria is NE China.

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:[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 23:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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{{assessment | page=[[Second Anglo-Maratha War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Anglo-Maratha_War&oldid=97459209 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::And all of those entries were on "Manchuria" with one exception, attesting to my argument that "Manchuria" is the common English name used in dictionaries and encyclopedias. Here is my proof, where you provided "evidence" where all entries, with one exception, are on "Manchuria", not "Northeast China". [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:History_of_Manchuria/Archive1#Continue_Discussion_:_Manchuria_.3D_Northeast_China] [[User:Cydevil38|Cydevil38]] 01:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Second Anglo-Mysore War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Anglo-Mysore_War&oldid=100622337 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Second Anglo-Sikh War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Anglo-Sikh_War&oldid=102279881 ] | importance= | date=[[January 27]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::Cydevil, where is '''your''' evidence? You point towards the evidence provided by Wiki Pokemon, at the same time conveniently ignoring his commentary on the bottom. We have all provided facts and explanations on this talk page - everyone but you. Your lack of knowledge in history is not our problem. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 01:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Second Battle of Cawnpore]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Battle_of_Cawnpore&oldid=92238503 ] | importance= | date=[[February 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Second Battle of Tarain]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Battle_of_Tarain&oldid=97482950 ] | importance= | date=[[January 29]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::You are going to find entries of Manchuria in most dictionaries and encyclopedias. That does not prove it is more commonly use than Northeast China. It only proves that it is a more obscure word which needs explaining. And all of those sources explains that Manchuria is Northeast China.

{{assessment | page=[[Sena Medal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sena_Medal&oldid=87685320 ] | importance= | date=[[February 3]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:::[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 03:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Shaitan Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shaitan_Singh&oldid=102005305 ] | importance= | date=[[February 3]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Siachen conflict]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siachen_conflict&oldid=97464175 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Its worth noting that in the early twentieth century, the rise in Anti-Manchu sentiment - mostly to do with Late Qing incompetence/propaganda of the revolutionaries - helped influence many historians in identifying the Manchus as an "inferior," "barbaric," and "foreign" race. Such that phrases like "''Manzhou Zhi Waizhong''" (''Manzhou'' as in Manchus, consistent with Huang Taiji's neologism) were quite common back then. Also worth noting that the term used to denote a person of Manchu ethnicity during that time was "''Manzhouren''." It should come as no surprise that the "''Draft History of the Qing Dynasty''" (Qing Shi Gao) would use such weasel words in its description of the Northeast. Ironically, Zhao Erxun, the supervisor of the Draft History of the Qing was also a former Han [[Bannerman]], belonging to the Zheng Lan Qi (正蓝旗). By 1911, he also became the Governor-General of Dongsansheng (Three Provinces).

{{assessment | page=[[Siege of Lucknow]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Lucknow&oldid=101352781 ] | importance= | date=[[January 26]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Nlu, the term "''Manzhou Dutong''" does not refer to the "Governor-General of Manzhou." The term "Dutong" refers to one of the nine ranks overseeing the Banner system (Baqi) of the Qing. A more accurate translation of "Dutong" would be the rank of Lieutenant-General - a clear indication that this example refers to a person, not tho geographic landmass.

{{assessment | page=[[Sikh Light Infantry]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sikh_Light_Infantry&oldid=102416480 ] | importance= | date=[[February 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

::Exclusion of "Manchuria" is certainly not "''historically-inaccurate''," its the other way around. The latest incarnation of the region (through the Mohe-Nuzhen-Manzu lineage) is "''Dongbei Sansheng''," or simply Northeast [China] for short. [[User:Assault11|Assault11]] 23:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Sikh Regiment]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sikh_Regiment&oldid=93391092 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

The reason why these arguments never stop is because you fail to acknoledge that Manchuria describes China AND Russia. See the picture I put up for the second time? Simply making the same claims over and over again doesn't do anything. [[User:Good friend100|Good friend100]] 02:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Sino-Indian War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sino-Indian_War&oldid=98888698 ] | importance= | date=[[June 26]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Why do I have to acknowledge YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION that Manchuria describes China AND Russia? You have nothing to back up your claim except the Wikipedia Manchuria page, which is self referencing when you use it to edit another Wikipedia page. I only acknowledge the interpretation of authoritative NPOV sources from references and encylopedias below.<br>

{{assessment | page=[[South-East Asian theatre of World War II]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South-East_Asian_theatre_of_World_War_II&oldid=99075814 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:Sharp Electronic Dictionary PW-E550, New Oxford American Dictionary <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Subroto Mukerjee]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subroto_Mukerjee&oldid=104463257 ] | importance= | date=[[February 4]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/manchuria] Merriam-Webster Dictionary <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Sukhoi Su-30]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-30&oldid=102352745 ] | importance= | date=[[January 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861678261/Manchuria.html] Encarta Dictionary <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Sukhoi Su-30MKI]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-30MKI&oldid=126202055 ] | importance= | date=[[April 28]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.bartleby.com/61/25/M0072500.html] American Heritage Dictionary <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Syria-Lebanon campaign]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syria-Lebanon_campaign&oldid=119544690 ] | importance= | date=[[April 1]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/Manchuria] Collins Dictionary <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Talwar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talwar&oldid=98887583 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.answers.com/topic/manchuria-1] Answer.com <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Talwar class frigate]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talwar_class_frigate&oldid=132004195 ] | importance= | date=[[June 16]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.bartleby.com/65/ma/Manchuri.html] Columbia Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Tangail Airdrop]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tangail_Airdrop&oldid=92031645 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9371138/Manchuria] Britannica Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[The Grenadiers]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Grenadiers&oldid=102611359 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.worldbook.com/wb/Article?id=ar341480&st=manchuria] Worldbook Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Third Anglo-Maratha War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Third_Anglo-Maratha_War&oldid=99399668 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560580/Dongbei.html] UK Encarta Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Third Battle of Krithia]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Third_Battle_of_Krithia&oldid=117476497 ] | importance= | date=[[April 2]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7469] Catholic Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Tirah Campaign]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tirah_Campaign&oldid=105231659 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.bookrags.com/Manchuria] Encyclopedia of Modern Asia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Umrao Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Umrao_Singh&oldid=97196953 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Places/Place/325074] AncientWorld.net <br>

{{assessment | page=[[United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Iraq-Kuwait_Observation_Mission&oldid=97338821 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Wood-NuttallEncyclopaedia/m/manchuria.html] Nuttall Encyclopedia <br>

{{assessment | page=[[Vellore Mutiny]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vellore_Mutiny&oldid=95083154 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:[[User:Wiki pokemon|Wiki Pokemon]] 03:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[Vikram Batra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikram_Batra&oldid=99008537 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Vir Chakra]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vir_Chakra&oldid=87705204 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

== End this POS discussion ==

{{assessment | page=[[War of 27 years]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_of_27_years&oldid=97462994 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Wound Medal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wound_Medal&oldid=87685597 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

We should use the contemporary terms of the region detailed:

{{assessment | page=[[XXXIII Corps (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XXXIII_Corps_%28India%29&oldid=97891035 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*[[Northeast China]]

{{assessment | page=[[Yogendra Singh Yadav]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yogendra_Singh_Yadav&oldid=89216235 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Start-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

*[[Russian Far East]]

{{assessment | page=[[108th Regiment of Foot (Madras Infantry)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=108th_Regiment_of_Foot_%28Madras_Infantry%29&oldid=122856214 ] | importance= | date=[[April 16]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[10th Indian Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=10th_Indian_Infantry_Division&oldid=98087127 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

Neither the Chinese (including [[Manchu|ethnic Manchus]]) nor the Russians refer to the area as "Manchuria" in common usage. The English usage of Manchuria exclusively refers to Northeast China, and thus the more contemporary term Northeast China should be used where applicable (except when dealing ''specifically'' with [[Manchu]] history). This is the same reason we do not name [[East Asia]] in Wikipedia as the "[[Orient]]" or the "[[Far East]]," though these terms have seen considerable historic use. '''The term "Manchuria" should be used only for the periods of Manchu-related history, because this region does not exist today.''' There are no seccessionist movements in this region, nor any debate among Manchus of whether this region should be called Northeast China or Manchuria. Thus the naming of this region as "Northeast China" is absolutely not contested, except by a few Korean users here, for reasons that are beyond logic. Their agenda here on a region in China and Russia should be seriously questioned.

{{assessment | page=[[11th Indian Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=11th_Indian_Infantry_Division&oldid=97213626 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[12th Frontier Force Regiment]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=12th_Frontier_Force_Regiment&oldid=76292535 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[Koguryo]], [[Palhae]] are kingdoms that have existed in today's Northeast China, Russian Far East and Korean peninsula. These are neutral regional labels. Calling Palhae a "Korean kingdom" is not neutral, neither is calling it a "Chinese kingdom," but calling it a "Manchurian-Korean kingdom" is even more nonsensical. --[[User:Naus|Naus]] 05:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[2nd Infantry Division (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2nd_Infantry_Division_%28India%29&oldid=98183099 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[32nd Sikh Pioneers]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=32nd_Sikh_Pioneers&oldid=91080874 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

== Request for Third Opinion ==

{{assessment | page=[[36th Infantry Division (United Kingdom)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=36th_Infantry_Division_%28United_Kingdom%29&oldid=98269067 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

[[template:History of Manchuria]] is suffering from extensive revert warring, and discussion is heading nowhere. A RfC was filed, but was only able to get one outside commentor[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3AHistory_of_Manchuria&diff=135062153&oldid=135045872]. Please provide a third opinion on whether [[template:History of Manchuria]] should be titled History of [[Manchuria]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Manchuria&oldid=134933378] or History of [[Northeast China]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Manchuria&oldid=134992686][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Manchuria&oldid=135736283] to facilitate dispute resolution. Thank you. 08:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[7th Indian Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7th_Indian_Infantry_Division&oldid=98579361 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

:In a historical sense ("History of"), the term "Manchuria" is more appropriate. Aided by the fact that it is referenced by authoritative sources of the modern english language (M-W, AHD, Encarta, etc.), would lead me to believe it is proper current terminology. Furthermore, reviewing the discussion I don't see compelling reason to change it. I '''support''' the title '''History of Manchuria''' for this template. --[[User:Dscarth|Dscarth]] 16:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

{{assessment | page=[[8-Pass Charlie]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8-Pass_Charlie&oldid=95371065 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[9 Gorkha Rifles]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=9_Gorkha_Rifles&oldid=98925630 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Abdul Hafiz]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abdul_Hafiz&oldid=104993551 ] | importance= | date=[[April 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Acting Lance Daffadar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acting_Lance_Daffadar&oldid=43964619 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Altit Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altit_Fort&oldid=93623565 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Anglo-Maratha Wars]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anglo-Maratha_Wars&oldid=97459107 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Argaon]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argaon&oldid=97482733 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Arjan Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arjan_Singh&oldid=89446752 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Army of India]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Army_of_India&oldid=74561830 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Badlu Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badlu_Singh&oldid=106007304 ] | importance= | date=[[April 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bala Hisar Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bala_Hisar_Fort&oldid=90316690 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Baltit Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baltit_Fort&oldid=93649390 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bangladesh War timeline]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_War_timeline&oldid=98596502 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Aliwal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Aliwal&oldid=97499760 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Buxar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Buxar&oldid=97487037 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Chawinda]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Chawinda&oldid=97482554 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Chinhat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Chinhat&oldid=96444658 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Dhalai]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Dhalai&oldid=65052088 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Ferozeshah]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ferozeshah&oldid=97499917 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Gazipur]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Gazipur&oldid=106563925 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Gujarat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Gujarat&oldid=97497154 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Karnal]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Karnal&oldid=97489976 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Kushtia]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kushtia&oldid=82632076 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Laswari]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Laswari&oldid=97489361 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Mahidpur]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Mahidpur&oldid=97482842 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Mahidput]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Mahidput&oldid=96404785 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Miani]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Miani&oldid=97500060 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Mudki]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Mudki&oldid=97500102 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Negapatam (1758)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Negapatam_%281758%29&oldid=97449507 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Palkhed]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Palkhed&oldid=97489377 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Panipat (1526)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Panipat_%281526%29&oldid=97489322 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Panipat (1556)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Panipat_%281556%29&oldid=99102389 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Pollilur]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Pollilur&oldid=97490081 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Ramnagar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ramnagar&oldid=97497144 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Sinhagad]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Sinhagad&oldid=97489235 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Sobraon]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Sobraon&oldid=97518757 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Surat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Surat&oldid=97489248 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Sylhet]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Sylhet&oldid=106562936 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Tololing]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Tololing&oldid=94306584 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Tukaroi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Tukaroi&oldid=97490008 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Vasai]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Vasai&oldid=97489391 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Battle of Wandiwash]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Wandiwash&oldid=97482811 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bihar Light Horse]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bihar_Light_Horse&oldid=87903711 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bikaner Camel Corps]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bikaner_Camel_Corps&oldid=119959560 ] | importance= | date=[[April 4]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Bite the cartridge]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bite_the_cartridge&oldid=72968813 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Brindian]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brindian&oldid=83987786 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Carnatic Wars]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carnatic_Wars&oldid=97900209 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Chola incident]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chola_incident&oldid=123191658 ] | importance= | date=[[April 16]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[David Hawkes]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Hawkes&oldid=106020970 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[DefenceIndia]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DefenceIndia&oldid=95870653 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Derawar Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Derawar_Fort&oldid=93465124 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Dhan Singh Thapa]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dhan_Singh_Thapa&oldid=90769233 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Duncan Charles Home]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duncan_Charles_Home&oldid=114921449 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[East Indies Station]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_Indies_Station&oldid=135975185 ] | importance= | date=[[June 4]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Edward Parry]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Parry&oldid=96024551 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Everard Aloysius Lisle Phillipps]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everard_Aloysius_Lisle_Phillipps&oldid=114929478 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Fauj-i-Khas]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fauj-i-Khas&oldid=66830386 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[First Anglo-Mysore War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Anglo-Mysore_War&oldid=97463044 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[First Battle of Tarain]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Battle_of_Tarain&oldid=97482928 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Garud Commando Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garud_Commando_Force&oldid=91616416 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[George Forrest (VC)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Forrest_%28VC%29&oldid=133180195 ] | importance= | date=[[May 24]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[George Godfrey Massy Wheeler]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Godfrey_Massy_Wheeler&oldid=107631575 ] | importance= | date=[[May 24]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Gobar Sing Negi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gobar_Sing_Negi&oldid=119922614 ] | importance= | date=[[May 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[HMS Delhi]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HMS_Delhi&oldid=90503561 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[I Corps (India)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Corps_%28India%29&oldid=96857192 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian 39th Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_39th_Infantry_Division&oldid=82245077 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian 5th Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_5th_Infantry_Division&oldid=97982841 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian 6th Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_6th_Infantry_Division&oldid=82245539 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian 9th Infantry Division]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_9th_Infantry_Division&oldid=82245910 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Coast Guard]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Coast_Guard&oldid=98427282 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Indian Paramilitary Forces]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Paramilitary_Forces&oldid=87641312 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Jaivana cannon]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jaivana_cannon&oldid=129800827 ] | importance= | date=[[May 24]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Joginder Jaswant Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joginder_Jaswant_Singh&oldid=98035720 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[John Alexander (Ireland)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Alexander_%28Ireland%29&oldid=117442965 ] | importance= | date=[[April 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Kalinga War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kalinga_War&oldid=98774443 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Kangra Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kangra_Fort&oldid=94490300 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Karachi Agreement]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karachi_Agreement&oldid=90797998 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Karamjeet Singh Judge]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karamjeet_Singh_Judge&oldid=106173892 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Military satellite]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_satellite&oldid=106713742 ] | importance= | date=[[February 28]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Mohammad Ahmed Zaki]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammad_Ahmed_Zaki&oldid=97863538 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Muhammad Sarwar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_Sarwar&oldid=98646124 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Multan Fort]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multan_Fort&oldid=96676436 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Multan Regiment]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multan_Regiment&oldid=92771618 ] | importance= | date=[[April 20]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Netaji Palkar]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netaji_Palkar&oldid=98363555 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Netrabahadur Thapa]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netrabahadur_Thapa&oldid=105647602 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[No. 1 Squadron, Indian Air Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No._1_Squadron%2C_Indian_Air_Force&oldid=97302450 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[No.109 Helicopter Unit, Indian Air Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No.109_Helicopter_Unit%2c_Indian_Air_Force&oldid=101995955 ] | importance= | date=[[January 21]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Brevity]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Brevity&oldid=90674234 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Capital]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Capital&oldid=80268755 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Checkmate]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Checkmate&oldid=102044619 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Jackpot]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Jackpot&oldid=95352190 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Pawan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Pawan&oldid=100265106 ] | importance= | date=[[January 17]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Trishul]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Trishul&oldid=102272774 ] | importance= | date=[[January 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Vijay (1961)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Vijay_%281961%29&oldid=97485989 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Vijay (1999)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Vijay_%281999%29&oldid=90065372 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Operation Viraat]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Viraat&oldid=102040930 ] | importance= | date=[[January 22]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Peter McManus]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_McManus&oldid=117422184 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Philip Salkeld]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philip_Salkeld&oldid=114932068 ] | importance= | date=[[April 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Prakash Singh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prakash_Singh&oldid=118553418 ] | importance= | date=[[April 14]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Razakars (Hyderabad)]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Razakars_%28Hyderabad%29&oldid=97815851 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Regiment de Meuron]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Regiment_de_Meuron&oldid=102716588 ] | importance= | date=[[January 25]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Royal Indian Artillery]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Royal_Indian_Artillery&oldid=75771445 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Second Battle of Artois]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Battle_of_Artois&oldid=130138395 ] | importance= | date=[[May 12]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Sepoy]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sepoy&oldid=97589632 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Shivaji's Forts]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shivaji%27s_Forts&oldid=91139052 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Siege of Cawnpore]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Cawnpore&oldid=99098251 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Siege of Multan]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Multan&oldid=97500148 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Special Frontier Force]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_Frontier_Force&oldid=96240655 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Sri Nagesh]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Nagesh&oldid=93722052 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Strategic Forces Command]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Strategic_Forces_Command&oldid=56637411 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Tanaji Malusare]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tanaji_Malusare&oldid=94672108 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Tashkent Declaration]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tashkent_Declaration&oldid=100989544 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Third Anglo-Mysore War]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Third_Anglo-Mysore_War&oldid=97463079 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Timeline of the Kashmir conflict]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_the_Kashmir_conflict&oldid=97052893 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Trishula]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trishula&oldid=106296566 ] | importance= | date=[[February 8]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Vijayanta]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vijayanta&oldid=97372405 ] | importance= | date=[[January 7]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

{{assessment | page=[[Yeshwant Ghadge]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yeshwant_Ghadge&oldid=106009631 ] | importance= | date=[[April 6]], [[2007]] | class={{Stub-Class}} | version= | comments= }}

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