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==Uniform==

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[[Image:Hampshire helmet constable.jpg|thumb|right|A Hampshire Constabulary custodian ("bobby") helmet]]

[[Image:Edinburgh G8 police group DSC05042.JPG|thumb|right|Police officers in white shirt and helmets]]

[[Image:Police.three.on.patrol.london.arp.jpg|thumb|right|Metropolitan Police officers wearing hi-visibility jackets]]

Although there are minor variations in the styling, pattern and [[insignia]], the police forces of [[Great Britain]], [[Jersey]], [[Guernsey]], the [[Isle of Man]] and [[Gibraltar]] all wear very similar [[uniform]]s. In general, these have taken their lead from the [[Metropolitan Police]], with changes appearing in that force first. The base colour is a very dark blue, almost indistinguishable from black (and these days often actually is black), which earnt the police the nickname of the "boys in blue".

Formal uniform comprises an open-necked [[tunic]] (with or without an attached [[belt (clothing)|belt]], depending on the force) and [[trousers]] or [[skirt]], worn with a white or light blue [[shirt]] and black [[necktie|tie]] (usually [[Clip-on tie|clip-on]], so it cannot be used to strangle the wearer). Although most forces once wore blue shirts, these have been less used since the [[1980s]] (when the Metropolitan Police changed to white) and most now wear white. Officers of the rank of [[inspector]] and above have always worn white shirts, and in many forces so have female officers. In some forces, female officers wear a black and white checked [[cravat]] instead of a tie. Officers of the rank of [[Sergeant]] and above wear rank badges on their epaulettes, while [[Constables]] and Sergeants also wear "[[collar number]]s" on them.

== Ryuusei No Rockman ==

I wanted it to stay Rockman...but you know, someone would have changed it to Megaman anyhow...so meh, whatever. -[[User:Sukecchi|Sukecchi]] 19:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Until the mid 1990s this was also the everyday working uniform, but today it is rarely seen except on formal occasions. The normal working dress retains the shirt (open-necked or with a tie or cravat) and trousers, worn with or without a [[jersey (clothing)|jersey]] or [[fleece (clothing)|fleece]]. Some forces use [[combat trousers]] and [[combat boot|boots]]. Today, female officers almost never wear a skirt in working dress, and frequently wear trousers in formal dress as well. Officers also frequently wear reflective waterproof [[jacket]]s, which have replaced the old [[overcoat|greatcoat]]s and [[cloak]]s traditionally worn in inclement weather. Most officers now wear [[body armour]] when on duty.

== FF6 talk page deletion ==

Basic headgear is a [[Combination Cap|peaked cap]] for men, and a round [[bowler hat|bowler]] style hat for women. All officers wear a black and white (red and white for the [[City of London Police]]) diced band around the hat, a distinction first used in Scotland and later adopted by all forces in Great Britain. Traffic officers wear white cap covers (yellow in Derbyshire). On foot duty, male constables and sergeants outside [[Scotland]] wear the familiar conical [[custodian helmet]]. There are several patterns, with different forces wearing different types. Although some Scottish forces have used helmets in the past, they are no longer worn in Scotland.

Exactly what guideline was violated by announcing that the FF6 character articles were up for deletion on the [[Talk:Final Fantasy VI]] page? I just read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to Articles for deletion|Guide to Articles for deletion]] and didn't see anything that would prevent such an act. [[User:BrianSmithson|BrianSmithson]] 03:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:No, it's not against guidelines, but deleting good-faith postings on talk pages is. Please don't do that again, LttP. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 03:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::It is against guidelines to attract voters who will obviously vote how you want, based on their affiliation with the articles. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 03:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:::According to what policy and where? [[User:BrianSmithson|BrianSmithson]] 03:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I would think that spamming others with the intention of making the AfD go one way or the other would be understood as a large offense. Voting is an important process. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 03:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:::There's a great difference between using meatpuppets to skew AFD and alerting interested Wikipedians. Mentioning AFDs on related talk pages and Wikiprojects is common practice, and not frowned upon. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 03:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::Yes, hardly qualifies as spam, in my opinion; most people don't monitor the AfD.But marking things as "against policy" when you only think they ''should'' be against policy is not good policy. Blanking comments from talk pages,however, is against guidelines. See [[Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes]]. [[User:BrianSmithson|BrianSmithson]] 03:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::Like Piccolo, I was assuming bad faith, which is frowned upon in circumstances such as these, and I apologize for assuming such. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 03:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Officers of the [[Police Service of Northern Ireland]] (PSNI) wear a uniform which is somewhat different, due to the political situation. The main colour to be found is a dark and light green with the uniform looking very unlike mainland police uniforms.

== Final Fantasy VI character article AfDs ==

I ''really'' wish you had mentioned your concerns in the relevant talk pages (or at the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy WikiProject talk page]]) before engaging in your little rampage. In one fell swoop, you've forced an issue I and others have been trying to avoid by gradually shifting information not appropriate for Wikipedia to other venues. You're absolutely right about Wikipedia guidelines, but your behavior here was, frankly, trollish. It would have been nice if you'd given those of us who have been working at these articles a chance to address your concerns before going nuclear on us. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 03:43, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

===Uniform history===

:The AfD notices ''should not'' have been removed. Though I strongly question your methods, you clearly were not acting in bad faith, and the votes, once begun, should be allowed to run their course. You'll also note that I have not called you a "jerk," nor do I believe you to be one. That some people have been less kind is inevitable, though, considering the circumstances, your failure to even attempt a dialog, and the somewhat inexplicable way you've targetted the FF6 character articles while taking an entirely opposite position [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hachi|elsewhere]]. As I've said, I think your reasoning is right, but of my frustration is that you've turned what should have been a gradual, negotiated process into a bloodbath that now seems destined to have the exact opposite effect (by creating a backlash). I ''have'' been transwiking numerous ''Final Fantasy'' articles (albeit to [http://finalfantasy.wikicities.com/ a ''Final Fantasy''-specific wiki]], and not Wikibooks). If you'd taken the time to ask any active member of the WikiProject, you could have found this out, and avoided all this bad blood. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 04:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The first uniform, which was a lighter blue than at present, was a high-collared [[tailcoat]], worn with white trousers in summer. The headgear was a hardened [[top hat]], which served the dual purpose of protecting the officer from blows to the head and allowing him to use it as a step to climb or see over walls. The sleeves of the dark blue coats originally had a pattern of white bars, roughly 6&nbsp;mm wide by 50&nbsp;mm high, set roughly 6&nbsp;mm apart. This immediately distinguished them from naval or maritime personnel. Although this feature was taken up in the [[Dominion]]s, it was not used in the USA.

The tailcoat was later replaced by a tunic, still high-collared, and the top hat by the [[custodian helmet]] (both adopted by the Metropolitan Police in 1863). With a few exceptions (including the [[City of London Police]] and the [[Hampshire Constabulary]]), the helmet plate was (and still is) based on the [[Brunswick star]]. The helmet itself was of cork faced with fabric. The design varied slightly between forces. Some had that favoured by the Metropolitan Police, topped with a boss, others had a helmet that incorporated a ridge or crest terminating above the badge, while others had a short spike, sometimes topped with a ball.

== Star Wars. ==

The tunic went through many lengths and styles, with the Metropolitan Police adopting the open-neck style in 1948 (although senior and female officers adopted it before that time). Senior officers used to wear peaked pillbox-style caps until the adoption of the wider peaked cap worn today.

I'm waiting for a decision on the Rfc and the mediation. Thank you. [[User:Copperchair|Copperchair]] 04:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Female officers' uniforms have gone through a great variety of styles, as they have tended to reflect the women's fashions of the time. Tunic style, skirt length and headgear have varied by period and force. By the late 1980s, female working uniform was virtually identical to male, except for headgear and sometimes neckwear.

I care for order and accuracy. [[User:Copperchair|Copperchair]] 04:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

==Personal radios==

Unless you're God, a god or some otherworldly force, you have to respect who the fimmakers decided was important and the order of importance they gave to their characters, as viewed in the end credits, loser. [[User:Copperchair|Copperchair]] 06:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

In 2004, British police forces began the roll-out of a digital [[TETRA]] (Terrestrial Trunked Radio) system for communications, called [[Airwave (communications network)|Airwave]]. The Airwave system replaced the previous Motorola radio handsets and [[two-way radio]]s with a mobile phone-like device, which is supposed to improve radio coverage, is encrypted to prevent interception, and allows data as well as voice transmission. The roll-out is due for complete coverage of all UK police forces and other emergency services by the end of 2007.

Personal radio systems were first issued to police officers and installed in police cars in the 1960s (resulting in the demise of the "[[police box]]" telephones made famous by ''[[Doctor Who]]''). From the 1990s, officers frequently carried [[mobile phone]]s in addition to their personal radio units.

== SW Template ==

==Firearms and weapons==<!-- This section is linked from [[The Adventures of Tintin]] -->

See the star wars talk page. I have stated a very clear purpose for the template I want on the pages. I won't revert, if you're willing to discuss. [[User:The Wookieepedian|The Wookieepedian]] 05:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

In the [[United Kingdom]] and some other countries of the [[Policing in the United Kingdom|British police]] tradition, the police are not normally issued firearms, but are issued other weapons ([[Club (weapon)#Telescopic batons|batons]], [[pepper spray]], [[CS spray]] etc.), although some officers may be issued firearms in special situations. This originates from the formation of the [[Metropolitan Police]] in the [[19th Century]], when police were not armed, partly to counter public fears and objections concerning armed enforcers. However, the [[Ministry of Defence Police]], [[Civil Nuclear Constabulary]] and [[Police Service of Northern Ireland]] (formerly the [[Royal Ulster Constabulary]]) are issued firearms as a matter of routine. Every force can also call upon armed response units in a matter of minutes, and certain specialist squads, such as the [[Flying Squad]], [[Special Branch]], [[Diplomatic Protection Group]], Royalty Protection Branch, and officers protecting airports and government buildings, are routinely armed.

:I know, I know, and I respect that. I'm trying to get everyone to see what I mean on the talk page. [[User:The Wookieepedian|The Wookieepedian]] 05:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::And I know what you mean, and I don't want to do that. But (grinds teeth), fine, I won't revert the star wars episode pages of the template you have on it, so this won't become an edit war. [[User:The Wookieepedian|The Wookieepedian]] 05:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The weapons carried routinely by ordinary police constables are currently an extending [[Club (weapon)|baton]] and, in all but two county police services, personal issue [[Riot control agent|incapacitant spray]], such as CS (a chemical incapacitant) or CapTor (a natural incapacitant based on extracts from [[Capsicum]] peppers. The effects of sprays are designed to be short-lived, subsiding within 30-60 minutes and clearing more quickly in well-ventilated areas.

You and [[User:The Wookieepedian]] are both skirting 3RR violations on [[Empire Strikes Back]] over this dispute. I've protected it (with the version in front of me; no endorsement implied). Argue about this at [[Talk:Star Wars#The debate over the correct templates]] instead of reverting please. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 05:34, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The use of batons varies across the country and each force selects which baton is best able to fulfil its needs and provide the best protection to officers. Friction lock batons such as the [http://www.asp-net.com/ ASP] are popular, although the PR-24 [[Monadnock]] extendable baton (sometimes known as the side-handled baton) or the Monadnock Straight Lock baton is used in some forces. Some forces use a one piece "Arnold" baton, although they are relatively rare except in forces in the North of England.

== Request for Arbitration against Copperchair ==

===Use of firearms===

I've opened a [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Copperchair|request for arbitration]] against Copperchair, and I'd appreciate it if you could comment, as you're one of the users I've named as part of Party 2. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 03:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:Police armed uk.jpg|thumb|right|Firearms officers wearing body armour]]

Unlike the police in most other countries, most officers in the British police are not routinely armed, except in [[Northern Ireland]], at [[airport]]s, [[nuclear power plant|nuclear facilities]], and on some protection duties. However every territorial police force has an armed contingent of officers patrolling able to support unarmed colleagues when required. The arming of the police is a perennial topic of debate.

Officers on night patrols in some [[London]] divisions were frequently armed with [[Webley and Scott|Webley]] [[revolver]]s (and, after the [[Sidney Street Siege|Battle of Stepney]], Webley [[semi-automatic self-loading pistol|semi-automatics]]) for over 50 years following the [[murder]] of two officers in [[1884]], though individual officers were able to choose whether to carry the weapons. The practice ended in July [[1936]], after which arms could be issued by a sergeant if there was a ''good reason'', and if the officer had been trained.

== Final Fantasy WikiProject ==

A couple of things: I, personally, cannot say whether or not anyone involved in the project was responsible for the threats made against you, though I certainly hope they were not. I would, however, have hoped that the events of the past few days indicated the importance of [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assuming good faith]] and not exacerbating the situation by throwing around even more accusations. Also, please note that the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy|project talk page]] is not the place for you to address your (real or imagined) complaints against individual members of the project, and while I again sympathize with the abuse you have received, the word "drivel" does not appear anywhere on our project pages, and your complaint would best be taken up with whomever it was who issued the comment.&ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 08:34, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:Not "until"? I think you are suffering under a basic misapprehension of what a WikiProject is, and what it is responsible for. Even ''if'' the user who threatened you is a sockpuppet, and even ''if'' the user wearing the sock is a member of the project, there is ''nothing'' the project can do about it. Membership in a project is voluntary, and there's simply no mechanism through which the project can wield any responsibility over its members. We could strike the offending name from the membership list, but that means absolutely nothing: the user can still edit pages we oversee, and can just as easily re-add his or her name to the list. This needs to be taken up with an administrator, who would actually have the power to take punitive action. I'm willing to help (in whatever way I can) you resolve this issue, but please be careful in accusing potentially innocent users of wrongdoing. It is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines, and is likely to be seen as [[Internet troll|trolling]] (of which I am most emphatically ''not'' accusing you). &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 08:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

The issue of routine arming was next raised after the [[1952]] [[Derek Bentley]] case, and again after the 1966 murder of three officers in London ([[Massacre of Braybrook Street]]), following which around 17% of officers in London were authorised to carry firearms. After the deaths of a number of members of the public in the [[1980s]], control was considerably tightened, many officers had their firearm authorisation revoked, and training for the remainder was greatly improved and later extended to include some training from the [[Special Air Service|SAS]].{{Fact|date=February 2007}} Currently around seven per cent of officers in London are trained in the use of firearms. Firearms are also only issued to an officer under strict guidelines <ref>[http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/firearms.pdf ACPO firearms policy]</ref> See [[Specialist Firearms Command|CO19]] (Metropolitan Police Firearms Unit).

== Nintendo Wars vs. Famicom Wars vs. Advance Wars ==

In order to allow armed officers to rapidly attend an incident most forces have patrolling [[Armed Response Vehicle]]s (ARVs). ARVs were modelled on the Instant Response Cars introduced by the [[West Yorkshire Police]] in [[1976]], and were first introduced in London in [[1991]], when 132 armed deployments were made. Today [[CO19]] and the [[Diplomatic Protection Group]] provide London with ARVs with officers having weapons permanently holstered on their person to allow rapid deployment.

Hey, what are we going to call this series? Nintendo Wars seems reasonable on its face, but I can't find anywhere where that name is actually used by Nintendo. (I did a Google test, and got only ~750 hits for "Nintendo Wars," whereas "Famicom Wars" gets tens of thousands of hits and "Advance Wars" gets millions.) Famicom Wars seems like a reasonable name for the entire series, as that's the name Nintendo uses In Japan even on some of the newer games (AW:DS = Famicom Wars DS: Something or another in Omega Land), but it's the Japanese name, and general style on Wikipedia is to favor the English-language names for things. Then again, I'm not entirely comfortable calling the pre-GBA games part of the "Advance Wars" series, for obvious reasons.

Although largely attributable to a significant increase{{fact|June 2007}} in the use of imitation firearms and air weapons, the overall increase in firearms crime between 1998/99 and 2002/03{{fact|June 2007}} (it has been decreasing since 2003/04, although use of imitations continued to rise){{fact|June 2007}} has kept this issue in the spotlight. For the first time since 1936, the routine carrying of firearms on normal police patrols was re-introduced in [[Nottingham]] in February [[2000]], in response to a number of gang related shootings on the St Ann's and Meadows estates. Despite this, [[Police Federation of England and Wales|Police Federation]] surveys have continued to show overwhelming police officer resistance to routine arming. In the Federation's most recent (2006) Officer/Arming survey, 82% of respondents were against the routine arming of police.<ref>[http://www.polfed.org/WhereWeStand_Firearms_and_the_policeAWAITING_INFO230506.pdf Police Federation Survey]</ref>

Any thoughts? I was thinking of kicking this over to [[WP:CVG]], but I wanted to hear your thoughts first.

As of September [[2004]], all forces in England and Wales also have the [[Taser]] available, but it may only be used by Firearms Officers, although there have been growing calls quietly from within the ranks and the public for all officers to be routinely armed with a [[Taser]]. The [[Police Federation]] have already called for this and is a firm position held by it. <ref>[http://www.polfed.org/we_stand_F0AE5868581B4E239F2FEDFC4D976359.asp Police Federation]</ref>

Incidentally, I nominated [[:Category:Nintendo Wars characters]] and [[:Category:Nintendo Wars villains]] for deletion, since they're pretty much depopulated. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 23:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:# I suggest Famicom Wars, just like people would call Super Princess Peach and Yoshi games as Mario games.

:# 'Kay. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 23:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

<small>''For more on firearm use by British police, see the [[Policing in the United Kingdom#Controversial shootings|controversial shootings section]] of the main [[Policing in the United Kingdom]] article.''</small>

I don't think I follow the logic in #1; I don't mean that the problem is that Famicom Wars isn't the name used for AW1&2, but my problem is that it's not the English-language name, and this is the English-language Wikipedia. Right now I can't make a convincing case on CFD to rename the relevant categories, for either name. I just know Nintendo Wars isn't right. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 23:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:I mean that while they feature another label, Advance Wars would still be Famicom Wars. And sometimes, you have to make compromises, such as using Japanese boxart for Final Fantasy II, III, IV, V and VI. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 00:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

::Bad example; the FF Wikiproject is still kibitzing over what art to use for the infoboxes in those articles.

::Anyway, I'll give this some thought. Thanks for the input. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;"><font color="000000">Black</font></span>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 00:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:PolicingAnimalRightsDemonstrationOxford20050129 CopyrightKaihsuTai.JPG|thumb|right|250px|[[Thames Valley Police]] policing an animal rights demonstration in Oxford]]

==RE:Personal attacks.==

No personal attacks have been made by me. If you continue to make false accusations I'll consider you a vandal and report you accordingly. Do not leave anymore messages on my talk page. This is your last warning. [[User:Ereinion|<font color="#6B6E85">Ereinion</font>]] 01:39, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

==Police vehicles==

== Take a deep breath... ==

{{main|Police Car}}

Link, a couple of things should be noted here:

The archetypal British "bobby" walked his beat alone. Apart from rapid response units, motor vehicles were rarely used except in rural districts (and even there, [[bicycle]]s were more common). However, following the 1964 [[Police Act 1964|Police Act]], the police became increasingly motorised and it is now rare to see an officer on foot patrol except in city or town centres, and then rarely alone. More recently, police forces have begun to put officers back on the beat as 'community' or 'neighbourhood' patrols. In an increasing number of urban centres police bicycle units are used to provide a quick response in congested areas, pedestrianised areas and parkland, as well as carrying out patrols. A bicycle patrol provides a happy balance between the distance covered by a motorised patrol and the approachability of the foot patrol. <ref>[http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/press-releases/press-releases-content.asp?prID=298 TFL 999 London Cycling Award press release]</ref> The [[Metropolitan Police]] now have over 1500 police bicycles.<ref>[http://www.daveches.co.uk/analysis/bikes Police on bikes, from LS8]</ref>

* Referring to someone's writing as "drivel" has, in fact, ''never'' been a personal attack. [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|The Wikipedia guidelines]] define a personal attack as, in essence, a derogatory comment directed at editors as opposed to content. While it is perfectly understandable that you feel slighted by the comment, it is unlikely to be an actionable offense.

* This is, from my perspective as a third party, being blown ''waayy'' out of proportion. Yes, Ereinion's comment was inappropriate and uncalled for. However, it was made only once, in an edit page summary, as far as I can tell. I do understand your annoyance, but I don't quite understand what you have to gain by prolonging the issue.

My honest suggestion would be to let the matter drop. There doesn't seem to be any good reason to drag things out any further, as I doubt you would be effective in getting Ereinion punished for his actions, and it seems equally unlikely that he will apologize for his actions. You have done nothing that would seriously qualify as vandalism, and I will leave a message for Ereinion restating what I have said to you, and advising him to not throw around the threat of vandal reporting lightly. If he continues to harrass you after you have let the matter drop, then you can revisit the matter and something can probably be done about it. I'm sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear, but I'm not sure there's anything else that can be done at this stage: speaking from experience, I really doubt that this level of complaint is going to be taken seriously by many administrators. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with, though. &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 02:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

:Possibly, but I don't think it's going to have much of an effect, anyway. Since he was the one who made the comment, he probably won't care if you ask him to stop, and he probably hasn't done anything in clear violation of Wikipedia guidelines, so there's not really anything you can do other than to ask him. Not a fun situation to be in, I know.... &ndash; [[User:Seancdaug|Seancdaug]] 02:55, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:UK Police Battenburg.jpg|thumb|right|Traffic Police Car with high visibility battenburg markings.]]

== FAs by nominator ==

[[Police car|Patrol cars]], sometimes known as [[panda car]]s, are in use everywhere and may be crewed by one or two officers. In Scotland, because of the necessity of corroborating evidence, there are always two officers in a vehicle. Rapid response vehicles are utilised for various departments in each police force. Some examples are: armed response vehicles and some traffic department vehicles, which come in marked and unmarked variations. Typical examples of high-powered rapid response vehicles are BMW 5 series, Volvo T5s and V70s, enhanced [[Opel Vectra|Vauxhall Vectra]]s and various Subaru and Audi high-end models. Police also use Land Rover and Range Rover models - such as for responding to motorway incidents - Jaguar cars are even used by some forces. Most forces use [[Ford Transit]] vans or similar models as personnel carriers, with specially adapted versions in use by public order units such as the Metropolitan Police [[Territorial Support Group]]. Police motorcycles, bicycles and horses are also employed depending on the situation.

All Home Office police forces have access to air support, often in the form of helicopters. Some forces, such as Hampshire, also have small fixed wing aircraft.

Hi - I noticed you updated [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations]] a while ago and added [[Cat]] to your list. I auto-updated the list, and Cat dropped off again. Looking at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log/August 2005]], [[user:Toothpaste]] nominated this article. I certainly don't mean to imply you had nothing to do with this article, but I think keeping the list strictly by nominator is useful (makes it able to be regenerated automatically, and makes the criteria clear and unambiguous). -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 17:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Forces with significant waterways to police maintain police watercraft, ranging from [[Zodiac Group|Zodiac]] dinghies to [[Arun class lifeboat|ARUN class]] boats.<ref>[http://www.met.police.uk/msu/training.htm Metropolitan Police Marine Unit]</ref><ref>[http://www.strathclyde.police.uk/index.asp?locID=927&docID=-1 Strathclyde Police Marine Policing Unit]</ref>

== Oyaji ==

Why are you removing [[Wario]] et al from [[:Category:Oyaji]]? Mario, Luigi, Wario and Bowser are ''so'' [[oyaji]]. They're almost quintessential examples&mdash;middle-aged or older, normal to chubby type, and they look superficially like anyone's daddy. Bowser alone is a staple of oyaji-kemono fusion fan art. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 22:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you ''need'' me to show you all the gay and beefcake art sites that feature Bowser? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 22:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, you made a good point about the Cowboy Bebop argument. Let's meet our points halfway, shall we? A brief mention of Bowser's popularity in fan material by fans young and old, without necessarily a mention of his sex symbol status. That kind of detail can be left in articles that address those issues, and can be found by encyclopedia readers interested enough in them to learn more. - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 04:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

==Other relevant pages==

==Request for arbitration accepted==

* [[Police Aviation in United Kingdom]]

[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Copperchair]] has been accepted. Please place any evidence at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Copperchair/Evidence]]. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 19:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== FAHD/Requests References==

{{reflist}}

[[Category:Law enforcement in the United Kingdom]]

A suggestion for WP:FAHD/Requests so FAHDlist will work better:

[[Category:Law enforcement equipment|British police]]

#'''List your request'''

#:Add <tt><nowiki>* [[WP:FAHD/Requests/PageName]]</nowiki></tt> to the list of open requests below, where <tt>PageName</tt> is the name of the page you would like help with.

([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 04:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC))

==VfD Closing==

When I closed VfDs (haven't done that in months), I always erred on the side of caution; I admit I did some hastily. IMO it's better to mistakenly keep an article (instead of merging or deleting), as it can always be VfD'd again and deleted later, rather than mistakenly merging it (which can cause problems if the article is recreated) or deleting it (which has obvious problems). Sorry if I made a mistake in that case, though. &ndash; [[User:Ugen64|ugen64]] 01:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== Nintendogs ==

The names of the protagonists belong to the article. Their long description may not. See games like [[Street Fighter II]], [[Advance Wars: Dual Strike]], [[Final Fantasy VI]]... TV series and movies like [[Charmed]], [[Lost (TV series)|Lost]], [[The Terminator]]... The list of dogs is necessary for the user to understand the differences between the games. And since the information is not long enough to need its own list, it fits in the article. Nowhere in the [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not]] section says a list of protagonists should be left in a Wikibook. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

:In case you didn't realize, in Nintendogs the dogs are the protagonists. Do you think, in example, the [[Charmed]] article would be useful saying "The series have a bunch of witches fighting devils." only? -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:32, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

::Oh, my... that must be one of the worst arguments I have ever read. With it, no game article should have information about characters because they are just the same character with slight modifications. I will call for a survey to solve that conflict. Obviously, you see no reason except yours, something I already realized when you wanted to delete all FFVI character articles because the AW:DS ones were being deleted. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 03:32, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Enough. ALttP had a good-faith change of heart on how characters should be handled on Wikipedia, and this is being personalized needlessly. Please carry on this conversation at [[Talk:Nintendogs]], rather than in the form of attacks on each other on user talk pages. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Black'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 03:54, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fonda ==

This article is already featured. See my comments on the new FAC page, but what exactly do you think this is doing? An article, once featured, needn't go up before FAC again. Please explain in the FAC. Thanks. [[User:Harro5|Harro5]] 00:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== [[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]] ==

According to your comments on [[Wikipedia:Peer review/The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]], it appears as though you are (or "were") planning on elevating ''Majora's Mask'' to featured article status. Regardless whether you have abandoned this action or not, I will be submitting it to [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates]] shortly. &mdash;[[User:Hollow Wilerding|Hollow Wilerding]] 14:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

== Image placement vote ==

Hello, I'm MegamanZero, and I've gotten into a conflict with the Orgy over his needless image placement and excessive quotes on the [[Iori Yagami]] page. So, I've decided to hold a vote (like you did on the Ryu charaacter page) concerning which version should be used. The vote can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iori_Yagami#Image_placement_vote here]. Please vote your opinion on the matter and thanks for your time! -[[User:MegamanZero|MegamanZero]] 17:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== The metallic resting place for one's posterior ==

Fred Bauder told me to stop reverting Copperchair's edits of his user talk page. Thought you'd want to know. --[[User:Marudubshinki|maru]] [[User talk:Marudubshinki|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Marudubshinki|Contribs]] 21:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

::I'm still at it. -[[User:MegamanZero|Zero]]^{[[User talk:MegamanZero|Talk]]} 22:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

== FAC fraud question ==

hey. I just noticed the FAC issues with [[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]]. What happened to cause that commotion. I'm still unclear about that?--[[User:ZeWrestler|<span style="color:green">ZeWrestler</span>]] [[user talk:ZeWrestler|^{<span style="color:green">Talk</span>}]] 19:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:Check it out [[Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Votestacking FAC sockpuppets: Hollow Wilerding|here]]. --[[User:Pagrashtak|Pagrashtak]] 00:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== Notable Iguanas? ==

I'm curious, now. (Normally, I wouldn't ask these sorts of questions, but I'm intrigued.) What is it you're referring to? The only notable reptiles I can think of that don't really exist are [[Leon_Powalski#Leon_Powalski|Leon Powalski from Star Fox Assault]] and the [[Geico]] [[Gecko]]. Or is this an inside joke. [[User:Cernen|Cernen]] 09:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== Fair use and userpages. ==

Hi, I notice you have a number of fair use images on your userpage (48 by [[User:Interiot/Reports/FairUsers|this count]]). Because displaying fair use images on userpages is not allowed per Wikipedia policy (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Fair use policy]]), I'll have to ask you to please remove these images ASAP. It is ok to link to fair use images (by typing [[:Image:... instead of [[Image: (note the leading colon (:)), but not displaying them inline on userpages (or user subpages). You can display free licensed images, just not the fair use ones. Thanks. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] <span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]]</span> 20:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Copperchair]]==

This case has closed. The arbitration committee has banned this user indefinitely from editing [[Star Wars]] and [[War on Terrorism]]. He may be banned from other articles that he disrupts under the [[Wikipedia:Probation]] order in his case. To be enforced by block. See [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Copperchair]].

For the arbitration committee. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 04:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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== Featured Article Help Desk/Requests ==

Hi,

I put a request for help to get an article ([[Chew Valley Lake]]) onto [[Wikipedia:Featured Article Help Desk/Requests]] - does that mean that everyone thinks it's already great & doesn't need any improvement or that no one has looked at the requests yet & I just need to be more patient? [[User:Rodw|Rod]] 16:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

==Dr. Mario Character==

I disagree entirely. He maybe just a doctor form of Mario, but their stories and there games are completely different. Although there are many similarities, there are still well enough differences to give them different articles. -[[User:Nintendonien|Nintendonien]] 00:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

You used the worst example possible. They are both referred to as Wario and their stories are almost exactly the same which makes them the same person. While if you refer to the story of [[Dr. Mario 64]] it is completely different to what Mario does. And if they were the same character then how come they are different characters in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]? -[[User:Nintendonien|Nintendonien]] 01:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Young Link=Link just like Baby Mario=Mario. Age differences still count as the same character even though they look and act differently (that is why Young Link is in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]). Dr. Mario is not Mario, but a spin-off of Mario. -[[User:Nintendonien|Nintendonien]] 01:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually now that I think about it it doesn't need it's own article (since it is only an alternate-personality), but it needs a section in the Mario article. -[[User:Nintendonien|Nintendonien]] 02:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with [[Nintendonien]] but if you would like to merge them you would have to put in a very large section in the [[mario]] article.{[[User:Purpleflyinghippo|Purpleflyinghippo]] 23:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)}

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==Punch out characters==

{{Punch-out series}}

I dont these articles necessarily need to be deleted, but they do need to be heavily fixed. The images on there suck, i feel like the content might be copy pasted (im not sure tho). Want to help fixing them up --'''<font color="LimeGreen">[[User:larsinio|larsinio]]</font> ^{<font color="black">\----</font>}^{[[User talk:larsinio|(<font color="orange">poke</font>)]]<font color="black">&ndash;</font>}^{<font color="black">&ndash;</font>}^{[[Special:Contributions/larsinio|(<font color="DodgerBlue">prod</font>)]]<font color="black">----/</font>}''' 14:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

::These characters are non-notable and minor at best. I recomend merging into a list of some sort. -[[User:Megaman Zero|Zero]]^{[[User talk:Megaman Zero|Talk]]} 15:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Little mac is notable, as is King Hippo. Doc louis shoudl be merged into little mac. The others can be murged into one document.

::::I would say Bald Bull is notable, as he is considered one of the more well-known Punch-Out!! villains. But it's really debatable whether or not even Little Mac deserves an article. Maybe if a Punch-Out!! game is announced. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 23:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

== Super Huge & only getting bigger==

Do you really think it is a good idea to merge the Super Sonic page with the Sonic the Hedgehog page? There are not small, especially [[Super Sonic]], since this merging would've been more reasonable if you suggested it in early March of 2004. [[User:Lord Falcon|Lord Falcon]] 02:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

==Characters==

Please see [[Template talk:Zelda series]]. <font color="#000080">[[User:Jedi6|Jedi6]]</font><small><font color="#00A86B">[[User talk:Jedi6|-(need help?)]]</font></small> 00:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

==Gamecruft==

Does this really need it's own WikiProject? Why not just start a discussion with WP:CVG and have that project define what is gamecruft or not (in addition to WP's policies and guidelines). If you start the discussion and try to move towards a resolution, you'll get one. I guess I don't see how this project can be an 'active one' after whatever the guideline is is decided upon. I guess I would need to know a little more of what you have in mind. [[User:K1Bond007|K1Bond007]] 19:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good idea to make a seperat ewikiproject, or perhaps just revive the cgv article imrpvoement drive nad make this as a primary mission. . Im somewhat maybe guilty of it myself: see [[Pentarou]], an article i crafted based upon what happens in the games, but is organized in a particulary crufty way. --'''<font color="LimeGreen">[[User:larsinio|larsinio]]</font>''' [[User talk:larsinio|(<font color="orange">poke</font>)]]^{[[Special:Contributions/larsinio|(<font color="DodgerBlue">prod</font>)]]} 01:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll be happy to discuss the issue with others, although I'm not sure if any sort of conclusion can really be reached on what's gamecruft and what isn't in quite a few marginal cases. Please keep me informed. - [[User:RedWordSmith|RedWordSmith]] 04:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== Nomination for RFA ==

I have created a nomination for you at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/A Link to the Past 2]]. Instructions on how to accept the nomination are at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/nominate#What_to_do_if_you_are_nominated_by_someone_else:|Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/nominate]]. Best of luck; I know you'd make a good admin. Be sure to put in "A Link to the Past 2" for USERNAME instead of just "A Link to the Past" as you've had a previous nomination. - [[User:RedWordSmith|RedWordSmith]] 05:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I've added two questions to your RfA. If you have a minute, I'd appreciate responses. Thanks. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Btw, I don't know if you noticed since its all the way down at the bottom, but someone has added another question to your RfA. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 02:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

==Thank you Mario==

Hi, thanks for your message. If we rated the notability of all memes against AYB, then pretty much none of them would be notable. [http://www.google.com/search?hs=p4&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=%22Thank+you+Mario%21+But+our+princess+is+in+another+castle%21%22&btnG=Search A Google search] for "Thank You Mario, but Our Princess is in another castle" yields 1,320 hits which, while not overly impressive, is enough for me. The other thing I think you have to ask is whether you could merge that page into [[Super Mario Bros.]] without losing any info, and I think the answer is no. I think the current page goes into more detail (and perhaps has the potential to expand) then could be reasonably merged into that page. However, I will hear your comments on this before I vote on that page's AfD. [[User:EWS23/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''E'''</font>]][[User:EWS23|WS23]] | [[User talk:EWS23|(Leave me a message!)]] 19:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for your response. However, I'm still of the opinion that the subject is notable enough, and should be kept. Thanks again for your comments. [[User:EWS23/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''E'''</font>]][[User:EWS23|WS23]] | [[User talk:EWS23|(Leave me a message!)]] 20:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Animal Crossing]]==

Hey Link, I noticed you put in a peer review last September mentioning that you wanted to promote the article in question to FA standard. While it seems that the article has slightly fallen from grace (you have to admit, it reads link a fan guide ATM) I'd like to work with you on improving the article. Reply if you're interested, [[User:HighwayCello|H]]<font color="#009933">[[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|ig]]</font>[[User:HighwayCello|hway]] ^{[[user talk:HighwayCello|Rainbow Sneakers]]} 10:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

== RfA ==

Sorry about your adminship but third time's the charm right. <font color="#000080">[[User:Jedi6|Jedi6]]</font><small><font color="#00A86B">[[User talk:Jedi6|-(need help?)]]</font></small> 06:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

==Request for Adminship==

It is my regretful task to inform you that your recent request for adminship failed to achieve consensus to promote, and has been closed. Please do not be discouraged, and please continue to make outstanding contributions to Wikipedia. If I can be of any help to you, please do not hesitate to ask. <font color=#696969>[[User:Essjay|Essjay]] ^{[[User talk:Essjay|''Talk'']] • [[User:Essjay/Contact|''Contact'']]}</font> 06:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry. You know what [[Chicago Cubs|Cubs]] fans say, "There's always next year..." Just live, learn, and improve.--<tt>[[User:Ikiroid/Esperanza|<font color="green">'''The'''</font>]]</tt> [[Imaginary unit|<font color="black">'''i'''</font>]][[user:ikiroid|<font color="blue">'''kiro'''</font>]][[Ego, superego, and id|<font color="black">'''id'''</font>]] ([[user talk:ikiroid|<small>talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話</small>]]) 15:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

At least it wasn't "removed a few days early due to overwhelming opposition" this time. In fact, there were more support votes than opposes. [[User:TheCoffee|Coffee]] 16:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:Please come back from your Wikibreak soon. <font color="#000080">[[User:Jedi6|Jedi6]]</font><small><font color="#00A86B">[[User talk:Jedi6|-(need help?)]]</font></small> 04:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== RfA / Fancruft ==

Hey, I hope you'll return soon, sorry your RfA wasn't succesful. If you continue the way you have been working you can certainly count on my support next time. You might want to have a look at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Workshop]], there's a section on Fancruft that you could probably help expand. Take care, <b><font color="AE1C28">[[User:Jacoplane|jaco]]</font><font color="#21468B">[[User_talk:Jacoplane|plane]]</font></b> 17:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Bald Bull]] ==

You may want to get consensus before removing information to redirect it... I couldn't find any broad agreement on all of that and you seem to merge arbitrarily somewhat... so, can we discuss these things more fully? My roommate cried when he saw it was gone and... well, not all of the information was transferred. In any case... yah. Like... you should discuss it with [[User:[e-mail]]] since you seemed to be editing it back and forth. [[User:Grenavitar|gren]] [[User talk:Grenavitar|グレン]] 03:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Content dispute on [[Talk:Ridge Racer]]. I'd like another opinion on the respective dispute. -[[User:Megaman Zero|Zero]]^{[[User talk:Megaman Zero|Talk]]} 16:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Super Paper Mario]] ==

Would it be possible to ping [[Talk:Super Paper Mario]] and mention what things you had in mind for cleanup for the article? It's not clear to me what major issues the article has, but I'd be happy to try to improve it based on any suggestions given. (too many short paragraphs? insufficient lead? image position/size?) --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 20:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

== Redirecting [[Baby Mario]] ==

Why redirect [[Baby Mario]]? As far as nintendo characters go, its distintly separate character from Mario, though of similar name. As someone's already partially reverted it and added back material, I just went back to the pre-redirect version. I couldn't find any prior mention of the desire to redirect the article. Perhaps you should propose an merge?

:There's now a happy merger marker on this article. [[User:Kevin Breitenstein|Kevin Breitenstein]] 07:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry about past problems ==

I am refactoring my user talk page to archive it, and was reviewing some old comments I made while still new to this environment, finding some offensive ones against you (like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendogs&diff=next&oldid=28103578 this] one). After some time, and finding myself in a similar position that you held back then (most experienced and learned in policies and guidelines trying to get a newbie understand them), I can't help but wonder how is that some don't seem to understand. And reading back our conversation made me realize sometimes newbies put just too much strength when it is not needed, leading to unnecessary discussions. For this, and many other problems I may have brought to you in the past, I want to heartily say I am sorry. I can't promise you we won't have more quarrels, but be sure they will be held in a civilized way. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 21:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

==Image Tagging [[:Image:SMA4box.jpg]]==

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== FAHD ==

What sort of changes do you plan to implement? [[user:Nichalp|<font color="#0082B8">=Nichalp</font>]] [[User Talk:Nichalp|<font color="#0082B8">«Talk»=</font>]] 05:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

== Re: WP:FAHD ==

Greetings A Link to the Past,

Thank you for your message. I am interesting in participation in the project's revival and subsequent activity, the only obstacle being that in the coming weeks I will be in Paris; how long I will be there I know not. I shall surely partake in the project when I come back.

[[User:GrumpyTroll|'''Grumpy Troll''']] [[User talk:GrumpyTroll|^(talk)]] 11:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC).

::I'm interested, let me know what i can do. --'''<font color="LimeGreen">[[User:larsinio|larsinio]]</font>''' [[User talk:larsinio|(<font color="orange">poke</font>)]]^{[[Special:Contributions/larsinio|(<font color="DodgerBlue">prod</font>)]]} 13:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

== Four Swords ==

May I ask what has happened to the [[The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Four_Swords|Four Swords]] article? --[[User:Russoc4|Chris]] 19:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don't see how it's a sub game. I very much consider it a game of its own. How is FS: Adventures not a subgame then? What about the other gameboy games? The Oracles, Link's Awakening, Minish Cap? Aren't those sub games too, then? What is your defenition of a sub game. --[[User:Russoc4|Chris]] 13:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

::You have a valid point; however, in this eof table [[Template:Zelda series]], LttP is properly labeled as a remake, but Four Swords is clearly new content. How do we resolve that issuse? Any btw, what is Hyrule Battle? --[[User:Russoc4|Chris]] 15:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

::Are you refering to the Four Swords dungeon in the LttP port? That is new content that is not in anyway shape or form a new game, but I think the additional "Four Swords" part of the port is worthy of game status if you are going to compare it to additional LttP content. It has a story line, it has bosses, it has dungeons, it has weapons, items, keys, heart pieces, and rewards for completion. How is that not a Zelda game? Because it's multiplayer? I'm not trying to force the Zelda community on wiki to make a seperate article on Four Swords, but I think it is only fitting to split the current article into two parts for the time being, and then consider two different articles in the future. I don't believe that we are doing the game justice by keeping it pinned down in a less important article on a game port. By the very nature of ports, there is little to be said about them in a new article because they are already covered on the original, the SNES one in this case. Four Swords is not a port and is worthy of recognition. This is my belief. If necessary, I may have to enlist outside help to settle this dispute, but first, let me hear your thoughts. --[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 14:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I have only played Kirby Super Star briefly, and not enough to make an opinion on its status. If Four Swords were paired up with another original game much like how those Kirby games seem to be, then I would consider leaving the two in one article. The simple fact that LttP is a remake while Four Swords is most definately not, and can stand on its own without LttP makes it worthy of having its own article; '''however''', to prevent further disagreements, I will let the article stay as one. I will continue to look into the matter and try to establish Four Swords' status as a game or subgame. I also ask that you take pride in such great games and look to better the [[The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Four_Swords|LttP/FS]] article, with my help if needed. --[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 21:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::I thought I wasn't arguing anymore :( Please answer these questions while I answer them myself: What exactly is it a remake of? Nothing. It is all original content (excluding obvious recycled zelda themes). It is a new game. What is it a multiplayer mode of? Nothing. There was no game like it: the Minish Cap was made well after FS was. It is a new multiplayer game, and the first of it's kind (in the zelda series). If anything, tMC is a single player remake of Four Swords, but I never played tMC, so lets not go there. There is obviously nothing that can change your opinion, so that's why I would like to try to stop arguing this. Let me do us both a favor and provide our lasts words, because we both want to get them in: I think four Swords is an original, independent game worthy of its own article. You think it is a multiplayer mode designed to be part of a remake that should be in the same article as its remake. Am I right?--[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]]

:::::Then why is Four Swords Adventures considered a game if Four Swords is not? Aren't they both new multiplayer modes in the Zelda universe? And you mention this game Phoenix Wright. How is the new content accessed? Is it accessed through normal gameplay of the original game or do you have to specifically select it, like how Four Swords is paired with LttP in a menu and you have a choice of selecting either ''game''. I think this is going to just keep going in circles, don't you?--[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 14:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::But FS is not ''in'' a game. It's ''packaged'' with one. Maybe our definitions of game are different. Do you consider a game to be the physical hardware, a single GBA cart in this case, or do you consider a game the software within like I am, two games, one cart. --[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 15:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::You're right. They do call it a ''new multiplayer adventure'' because it is just that, just like the Minish Cap was a new single player adventure, as well as Wind Waker, and the soon to be released, Twilight Princess. All the Zelda games were new adventures, whether multiplayer or singleplayer, except those remade and brought to the GBA and NGC.--[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 17:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::The whole point I've been trying to make is that it is ''not'' part of LttP. It is only packaged with it. It might share the sword techniques, but it does not share LttP graphics, gameplay, storyline, or content enough to be considered part of it. --[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 20:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::These colons are getting too long.... anyway, you aren't explaining yourself. I agree that LttP is the game, but I do not agree that FS is a multiplayer adventure mode of LttP, as you seem to do. You still haven't told me how it is a multiplayer version of LttP. To me, a multiplayer LttP would feature a bunch of Link's playing on the same LttP map. --[[User:Russoc4|Russoc4]] 14:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

== Stone Tablets of Antiquity ==

Hello! I noticed you made a change to the article about the BS Satellavision game that goes under the Japanese name of Kodai no Sekiban; someone has gone to a large extent throughout the article to ensure that the name "Stone Tablets of Antiquity" is present throughout the article. Given that the title never saw US shores, is "Stone Tablets of Antiquity" really the official name, or is it just original research someone created? I always thought the direct translation was "Ancient Stone Tablets"... [[User:Ex-Nintendo Employee|Ex-Nintendo Employee]] 12:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:: I know that an "official" US translation isn't out there, but I thought that the direct translation of the phrase "Kodai no Sekiban" was "Ancient Stone Tablets", which would explain why people call it that. [[User:Ex-Nintendo Employee|Ex-Nintendo Employee]] 21:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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==FFVI Advance==

Why put something in there such as "It is expected..." if you're then not going to attempt to verify it? That only hurts the quality of the article for an entirely unnecessary reason. Right now the article's basically saying "It's expected that it will be released in 2006 even though it's not expected to be released in 2006".

Also, why put "It is expected..." in front of something that actually ''is'' verifiable (the updates to the game: "''As with the conversion of IV, the games will be updated for the conversion''"[http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/656/656170p1.html])? Also, why delete the "As with..." line? It's pointing out a correlation with the other titles that have been getting this treatment. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 21:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:So which is it? You said it wasn't slated for release but now said that SE has said it is?

:Also, what of the other things I asked you about? [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 22:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

::Also, either way, we need sources. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 22:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I've done a little digging and gotten several sources for the updates that the game will get (so that one "It is expected..." can be dropped), but the game ''is'' still slated for a 2006 release. There's nothing wrong with that wording simply because it wasn't on a small list of upcoming releases that Nintendo gave out months ago at E3 (if those were all the games they intended to release for the rest of the year, I imagine gamers the world over would have been ''extremely'' surprised). ''Final Fantasy V Advance'' wasn't on that list either, but just a few days ago, it was confirmed for release in November. Given that the port for ''VI'' was announced at the same time as the one for ''V'', it stands to reason that we'll be hearing about the release date for it any day now, and I ''seriously'' doubt that they would let the holiday season pass without getting that title out in time.

:::There's not any evidence against the game getting its release in 2006 based solely on an outdated list that was just intended to be a sample. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 23:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were referring to the E3 list. In any event, the new press release didn't indicate that this would be all we'd be likely to see in the upcoming months. It, in fact, guarantees the opposite, and only mentions two December titles for that matter (both conveniently coming out early in the month on the 4^th). I imagine they're a little more ambitious with regard to the holiday season than that. They don't even have a release date for the new ''Zelda'' game yet, but — like ''VI Advance'' — at last word it was going to be coming out this year... and that last word was ''in'' the press release of a few days ago!

They've not offered any indication that these titles won't be getting released this year simply because they've not yet told us their release dates. They provided us a sample of what's coming and are holding out on specific dates while still making promises, probably to keep people hyped. It's likely that the new ''Zelda'' will be getting its release at some point past December 4^th given that they're still telling us it's coming, and the same — as far as we know — is true of ''VI Advance''.

We're not a news site. We're not supposed to interpret information before passing it on to the readers. We just give them the raw data and let them make of it what they will. Until the year has ended without the game coming out, or Nintendo or Square Enix comes out and says "It's possible that ''Final Fantasy VI Advance'' will not be released before the end of 2006", as far as Wikipedia knows, it's going to be released in 2006. [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. We don't make predictions. We just mention what has been stated and what is verifiable. The list of release dates doesn't take into account ''Final Fantasy VI Advance'' '''or''' the new ''Zelda'' game, despite last word for both of these titles (last word for ''Zelda'' even being at the time of the recent press release) being that they're coming out this year.

We can't say "Nintendo has not slated ''Final Fantasy VI Advance'' for release in 2006" without saying the same of the ''Zelda'' game, despite them telling us that both games are coming this year. We can't say that either game isn't scheduled for release in 2006 without inserting our own speculation and points of view. We can't be the source of speculation, Link. We're to provide verifiable facts (as best we know them to be facts) presented in a neutral manner, and that's about it. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 23:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

:The Nintendo press release (which is still promising the new ''Zelda'' by the end of this year) came out two days after Comic-Can was over, though, so like I said, at last word, it's coming out this year. While I'm not saying you're wrong about ''VI Advance'' possibly not coming this year (the lack of boxart could potentially be quite telling and I've personally been wondering for months now where the hell the release date was), I'm just pointing out that it's not our concern in the capacity of editors. We can't speculate or provide the suggestion for speculation. We're only supposed to provide what we've been told. In other words, we're supposed to act gullible.

:On the other hand, if a reliable source were to put together an argument along the same lines you have, we could mention it ''then''. We have to stand on that fine line between being reporters and giving the news, if you follow me. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 00:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'm not sure if I'm familiar with it or not. Even if it is a big name thing, though, unless it's something you've already written, I'm not sure if it would be deemed acceptable.

::Which makes me wonder something: what if somebody like one of the major editors of IGN wrote up an article because they wanted to include some data? I wonder if that would be classied as original research. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 00:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'd be interested in having a link to it, though, nonetheless. I wasn't aware that you had a site. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 00:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::That's pretty damn impressive, actually. A site dedicated solely to portables? Ambitious and daring. I've seen it tried before, but they don't seem to have much staying power. It's taken some dedication, I'm sure, for it to be almost three years old. Were you one of the three founders?

::::Seems like you guys are on top of your shit pretty well, with frequent updates and a rather extensive news archive for the last year. Nice layout too. I like it. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 00:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Nice find! That is, indeed, ''Famitsu'' and that's exactly what it says: "2006 winter sale schedule". It must also be quite recent since it has that October 12 release date on ''V Advance''. More than likely, you're correct about why it wasn't on that list from the other day: apparently that was just for North America. Again, good find. [[User:Ryu Kaze|Ryu Kaze]] 12:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Characters in the Animal Crossing series ==

I think it's okay because the AfD is not supposed to dictate whether an article is kept or redirected. The debate to keep or redirect an article is one that can be held outside of AfD. An AfD only decides whether an article is deleted or not deleted. That's something that's been established as a precedent for a long time, much longer than the short time I've been on Wikipedia. --[[User:Deathphoenix|Deathphoenix]] [[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''ʕ''']] 20:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:If the consensus (outside of AfD) is for the article to be kept, rather than redirected, I suggest that you go through normal [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] processes to deal with the editor. AfD has nothing to do with this dispute (except, perhaps, for illustration purposes). --[[User:Deathphoenix|Deathphoenix]] [[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''ʕ''']] 20:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Characters_in_the_Animal_Crossing_series&curid=5337290&diff=72323111&oldid=72314552 recent] comment on the talk page are beyond the borderds of civility. I urge you to redact. - [[User talk:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="black">brenneman</font>]]<span class="plainlinks"> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Aaron+Brenneman<font color="black" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</font>]</span> 04:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Your reply, including the urging to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaron_Brenneman&diff=72331557&oldid=72047742 "leave Wikipedia, because this isn't your kind of place"] is, forgive me for saying so, not progressing this conversation in a positive direction. I ask, without intending to give offence, have read the verification policy? - [[User talk:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="black">brenneman</font>]]<span class="plainlinks"> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Aaron+Brenneman<font color="black" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</font>]</span> 07:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm going to take your drawing on the contents of the verifiability policy as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaron_Brenneman&diff=72413545&oldid=72331557 "something of that sort"] as an indication of the fact that you have ''not'' read the guide. In particular, please note the bit where is says [[WP:V#The_policy|''"The obligation'']] ''to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it."'' how do you interpret that statement? - [[User talk:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="black">brenneman</font>]]<span class="plainlinks"> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Aaron+Brenneman<font color="black" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</font>]</span> 03:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Re:Wario ==

Thank you for harassing me, it's reaaally helpin your case. [[User:HighwayCello|H]]<font color="#009933">[[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|ig]]</font>[[User:HighwayCello|hway]] <b>^{<font color="#FFCBDB">[[User talk:HighwayCello|Return to Oz...]]</font>}</b> 22:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Calm is good. ==

Hey, it's tj from AWN, and I'd just like to give you a friendly piece of advice: Try to calm down. I don't know what exactly it is you're disputing over right now, but it would probably be best if you could take it a little bit less seriously. For your own health, and everyone's stress levels. Also, remember that most editors do have the best interests of Wikipedia at heart, albeit by their own interpetation of what that means. (I realize this probably seems totally abrupt and random, but I have a lot of admin talk pages on my watchlist for some reason, and noticed you there.) --[[User:Tjstrf|tjstrf]] 09:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm... they do have a point about messiness, but that should be repairable easily enough. I've trimmed and refactored [[Characters in the Animal Crossing series]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characters_in_the_Animal_Crossing_series&diff=72455075&oldid=72408093 (diff)] for you, hopefully that will help. Also, do you really need a seperate article on pitfalls? --[[User:Tjstrf|tjstrf]] 20:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

==Disgaea characters==

Wow, kind of forgot all about that mishap. Yeah, I admit I nominated the article in bad faith; it was a mixture of heat-of-the-moment aggitation over the FFVI character articles and a near-complete lack of knowledge of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, as I had only been a user for a few months (which is obvious, because I didn't truly understand your reasoning behind the deletion of the character articles anyway). And I apologize to you personally for having done so, since it appears you've been looking after it for nearly two years now. I'm sorry. But I'm glad you brought it up, even if it did occur ten months ago. Anyway, take care. ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 03:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

==Cruft==

I've been managing those types of articles as I come across them, but I never really considered going after them largescale. What did you have in mind? ~ [[User:Hibana|Hibana]] 03:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

==Wario==

I reverted it because Smash brothers is already mentioned, and also there would be little value in adding another image of Wario, especially since its the same as him in Warioware. Could you just add that text to where Smash brothers is currently mentioned without the section title? [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 18:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:For that I am sorry, I didnt check who was contributing that, and there have been many people adding lots of cruft in the last few days, Ill try to be more careful :) [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] 19:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Bowser ==

Per the discussion at [[Talk:Bowser (Nintendo)]] I moved the bowser page for very good reasons; a consensus between Nintendo fans and other Nintendo fans in a discussion on a Nintendo article does not override a century of usage. The word is not unambiguous, and no credibe evidence has been advanced that the Nintendo usage is most common. In undoing the work I did yesterday you also restored many double redirects. Read Steel's comments in the debate at the talk page, and understand that your Nintendo-centric viewpoint on this is disputed. [[User Talk:JzG|Just zis <span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:white; background-color:darkblue; font-weight:bold">Guy</span> you know?]] 08:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|Personal attacks]] and [[Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point|disruptive comments]] only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user (such as your comments to KINGBOYK) back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil]] with your comments. Thanks! <!-- from Template:Civil1 --> [[User:Charlesknight|Charlesknight]] 20:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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== Able Sisters ==

Frankly, I wouldn't care what we called them personally if the information hadn't already existed in the article. (e.g. a simple addition of information) However, if you read the rules on regional differences between english, it says that it is it is "inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change.", and I would assume the same applied to region-based information. In other words, while neither piece of information is of greater value or canonicity, his replacement of the existing information for purely regional reasons was against policy. I don't exactly want to edit war over this, which is why I included both. --[[User:Tjstrf|tjstrf]] 17:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Bowser move ==

My decision was made based on my reading of the ''reasoned arguments'' (which are not necessarily mere votes—comments which do not provide a ''reason'' for wanting the page moved or not moved are generally not helpful) presented by both sides of the debate. I couldn't care less about either of the topics in question; but, given the evidence that these are multiple topics of similarly common usage, leaving the disambiguation at the main term is the standard approach. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 03:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

== RE: JzG ==

My opinion is that JzG's way of doing things has the potential to annoy people, and when he interacts with someone who is easily annoyed, like you, things can get nasty (as they have done). I don't mean that as a personal attack or an insult, that's my honest opinion. -- [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 18:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

:Just don't get emotionally involved in articles, and you shouldn't have a problem no matter how any other user acts. --[[User:Tjstrf|tjstrf]] 18:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== Article Move ==

You moved the article "List of Animal Crossing characters" back to "Characters in the Animal Crossing series". Earlier I would have agreed with that but since then I have seen several articles with that type of title that are not just lists (for example, [[List of Star Wars clone trooper commanders]]). It would probably be best for the article to be moved back. [[User:SNS|SNS]] 19:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== Civility ==

Regarding comments such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2006_August_26&diff=73983228&oldid=73982617 this]: [[Image:Stop hand.svg|left|30px]] It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil]] and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit wars]]. <!-- from Template:Civil2 --> --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 20:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

:Consider this your last warning. Explaining your actions doesn't mean you get to continue being incivil while doing it. Calm down, take a breather, and do NOT post any more personal attacks. --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 21:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

::He's got as much a right to his opinion as everyone else does, and if he can express it without resorting to insults, more power to him, as far as I'm concerned. --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 21:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, that's quite civil. He's simply making a point, and a valid one at that. That personal attacks warning on his page is really pushing it; any more disruptive activity and you WILL be blocked. --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 21:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[Super Paper Mario]] ==

Maybe I shouldn't habe said "vandalism", but people shouldn't change it since it's still officially a GameCube game. [[User:TJ Spyke|TJ Spyke]] 22:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no, It was announced that it was officially moved to the Wii and the Press Conference in NYC. [[User:WhiteMinority|WhiteMinority]] 21:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[E.V.O.]] ==

About a year ago, you expressed interest in elevating this underdog to FA status, and few things would pleased me more. I've reviewed the peer review and tried to include a substantial reviews and legacy section, although upon re-reading it, I felt like I was defending a thesis than writing an objective observation on the game's notability. Could you perhaps assist in cleaning it up a bit? Also, I was thinking of including a "business" section where I could include some sales figures and maybe some other information relating to the business end of the game, but I can't seem to find the information that I need, and Google is out to get me in any case. Do you know of anywhere that I could look? Also, does the article need more pictures? If so, I can easily take some more screenshots of parts that might be relevant to Wikipedia.

Thanks, [[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian Paul]] 01:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== This Ends Now! ==

“Again, stop acting rude. "Stop bugging me" and "shut up" are not things a Wikipedian should be telling another Wikipedian.” – I found this message (written by you) in my talk page history.

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And that’s a reason why Wikipedians are so lame. A Wikipedian should respect the wishes of another and not continue to annoy me after I asked them not to! Is that too much to ask for? And besides, I’m no longer a Wikipedian. I don’t need people like you giving me orders and telling me what I can or cannot say, especially if your just going to keep telling me crap like “Find a worthy article to defend” (I don’t need to defend anything on this site), “…don’t whine” (Those who keep wasting my time are the ones who whine), and “Stop acting uncivil” (according to your talk page, you’re acting uncivil yourself).

I said all that stuff earlier because you continued to annoy me about a redirect that I don’t really care about anymore. I was annoyed with the [[Zinger]] redirect because you said it wasn’t worthy, despite the fact it had a “Start-Class” rating on WikiProject Computer and video games’ assessment scale, and because I invested a lot of time and effort to get that page to where it was and you had to go and delete it. You’d have been better off if you justed backed off.

You will not be told again, do not talk to me anymore by any means (you can keep your comments to yourself for now on. Besides I’m not going to read them). Just mind your own business and don’t waste anymore of my time. You’re not even worth it. --[[User:Covenant Elite|Covenant Elite]] 07:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

:Wow, so you left Wikipedia because it ran on a concept of consensus and logic, instead of blind love for particular articles. Yes, we will all deeply mourne having lost such a respectful, kind, good-natured and civil Wikipedian, who has done enough to warrant him believing he is better than another Wikipedian in some way (mostly because they're all bugged out over said Wikipedian).

:That was sarcasm. Just noting. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 07:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Elder_Scrolls_III:_Morrowind&curid=2959758&diff=74951866&oldid=73791496] - The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - "Changed importance to low" - ?

What's the reason? It's one of the most popular CRPGs, and among the most popular games ever. [[User:CP\M|CP/M]]^{[[User talk:CP\M|comm]]} |[[Wikipedia:Neutrality Project|Wikipedia Neutrality Project]]| 20:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Famicom Wars|Famicom Wars Talk Page]] ==

I see you gave the FW article medium importance on the CVG project, even though you set the AW articles to low importance. I'm guessing it's because the FW article is a stub?

BTW, I don't think I came up with the name "Nintendo Wars", and I'm sure it would make sense anyway. I know the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nintendo_Wars&oldid=4971278 earliest version] of the [[Nintendo Wars|NW article]] was set in August 2004, 3 months before I even heard of Game Boy Wars 3 (of existence which I became aware of only a few days before the Nintendo DS's launch), and that version of the article already had GBW3 listed. --[[User:JuigiKario|Juigi Kario]] ([[User_talk:JuigiKario|Charge!]] * [[Special:Contributions/JuigiKario|My crusades]]) 21:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== VG Charts ==

Well dude, all the numbers on there (or the majority) are from VG Charts. Since they are up there anyways why not have them cited to that webpage. It's a hell of a lot better looking than it saying "citation needed". I'm not adding those numbers, just where those numbers came from, because it looks nicer. So I don't know why you deleted the citations. I'll just add the CITATIONS over and over again. Understand?

==Ampersand?==

Out of curiosity, why do you dislike the word [[ampersand]]? Is it because the word is too amper-y or is it because the word is too sandy?--[[User:Tree Biting Conspiracy|<font style="background:red" color="#FFFF00">'''TBC'''</font>]]<small><font color="red">[[User talk:Tree Biting Conspiracy|TaLk?!?]]</font></small> 07:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

:It sounds wrong. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 04:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Not going to be 100% accurate, but its damn close to real numbers ==

Please keep in mind:

Video game sales statistics change on a daily basis.

Video game sales statistics are difficult to come by.

Video game sales statistics are much lower than the number of copies of games in circulation due to copyright infringement.

Although this list strives to be sales world-wide, some data is currently based solely on US or North American sales.

Because of these reasons, please:

Think of sales numbers as the minimum amount of units sold, not the precise amount.

Help adjust these statistics as new information becomes available, and quote your sources.

:VGCharts is estimates. By definition, the numbers of VGCharts have little in common with what the game has actually sold. He does not factor in any number tracking service, including NPD, Chart-Track or Media Create. He creates these numbers by his own self, and by the fact that he does not use the official game sales tracking service of the United States/Canada, he is not to be sourced, ever, on this list. The simple fact is that estimates of sales is very different from sales. We strive to use the best source possible, and a forum-goer with a questionable method of tracking sales figures does not qualify. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 04:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Good, job trying to ruin the list and being a jackass. ==

Yep. All's well though, I'll just keep fixing it. [[User:WhiteMinority|WhiteMinority]] 23:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)