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'''[[GMA Network]]'s programs''' include news and current affairs shows, [[documentaries]], [[drama]]s, dubbed foreign serials, entertainment, news and talk shows, game shows, variety shows, musicals, sitcoms, children's shows, fantasy and reality shows.

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For the previously aired and defunct shows of the network, please see the [[list of shows previously aired by GMA Network]].

==Blocking policy changes==

==GMA Network programs==

Quite frankly, it isn't fair for someone to be blocked under dubious grounds and then have to wait out the block for hours or days while the issue has to be hashed out with the blocking admin, no matter how wrong or emotionally involved they may be. The current draft retains the strong guidance against block wars - but crucially, it does not give the blocking admin what amounts to a right of veto against any later unblocking of the user. This fits in with the role of dispute resolution as an operation based on consensus, and getting a second opinion, rather than concentrating power in the hands of a single admin.

===Local programs===

====[[GMA News and Public Affairs]]====

[[Image:GMANewsLogo.png|right|200px]]

*''[[100% Pinoy]]

*''[[24 Oras]]

*''[[Emergency (TV program)|Emergency]]

*''[[GMA Flash Report]]

*''[[GMA Weekend Report]]

*''[[Imbestigador]]

*''[[I-Witness]]

*''[[Kapuso Mo, Jessica Soho]]

*''[[Kay Susan Tayo]]

*''[[Palaban]]

*''[[Pinoy Meets World]]

*''[[Reporter's Notebook]]

*''[[Saksi]]

*''[[Sine Totoo]]

*''[[Unang Hirit]]

====GMA KiliTV====

I see no such consensus on the talk page at the moment - all I see is a policy change that you proposed along these lines that was accepted by a margin of about 3-2. This is not enough to bind the entire project on a fairly fundamental issue. [[User:Rebecca|Rebecca]] 15:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

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*''[[Bahay Mo Ba 'To]]

*''[[Bitoy's Funniest Videos]]

*''[[Bubble Gang]]

*''[[Daddy Di Do Du]]

*''[[HP: Ibang Level Na!]]

*''[[Nuts Entertainment]]

*''[[Who's Your Daddy Now?]]

====GMA Telebabad====

:I'm sorry - I've not had a chance to check Wikipedia today, and there's been so much discussion on that page that I'm not sure where you're referring to. It would help considerably if it was made clear that the admin doesn't have a veto over whether a block should be lifted, but I would still like to see a) it made clear that an unblocking admin does ''not'' have to consult (as opposed to notify) the blocking admin if the latter is not around at the time, and b) that any consensus required to unblock a user be somewhat proportionate to the consensus there was to block the user in the first place. [[User:Rebecca|Rebecca]] 12:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

*''[[Impostora]]

*''[[Lupin (Philippine TV series)|Lupin]]

*''[[Mga Mata ni Anghelita]]

====GMA HeyDramarama theresa Hapon====

*''[[Daisy Siete|Daisy Siete Season 15: Isla Chikita]]

*''[[Pati Ba Pintig ng Puso]]

*''[[Sinasamba Kita]]

====Sabado Star Power====

Back again. Hope all is well with you and yours. [[User:BrandonYusufToropov|BYT]] 10:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

*''[[Fantastic Man]]

*''Kapuso Sine Special

*''[[Startalk]]

*''[[Wish Ko Lang]]

*''[[Walang Tulugan with the Master Showman]]

====Linggo Bingo====

== Welcome to the Project! ==

*''[[All Star K!]]

*''[[Boys Nxt Door]]

*''[[Mel and Joey]]

*''[[Mga Kuwento ni Lola Basyang]]

*''[[Move: The Search For Billy Crawford's Pinoy Dancers]]

*''[[Showbiz Central]]

*''SNBO (Sunday Night Box Office)

*''[[SOP Rules]]

*''[[Tok! Tok! Tok! Isang Milyon Pasok!]]

====Other programs====

Was wondering when we'd see you [[WP:JEWISH-HIST|here]] :-) I first encountered your work on the [[Joel Brand]] article, and have been looking forward to future collaborations (after I make more progress on the mad rush over [[:he:ויקיפדיה:מתקפת איכות/השואה|yonder...]], though I'm writing my articles in English first!) ''-- Cheers, [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] 15:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)''

*''[[Art Angel]]

*''[[Eat Bulaga!]]

*''[[Diyos at Bayan]]

*''[[Kapwa Ko Mahal Ko]]

*''[[Lovely Day: LD Force]]

*''[[Magpakailanman]]

*''[[Maynila (TV series)|Maynila]]

*''[[Sis (Philippine TV program)|Sis]]

*''[[Just Joking]]

===Foreign/canned shows===

== your opinion ==

====Asianovelas====

*''[[Great Teacher Onizuka#Live-Action|GTO: Live-Action]]''

*''[[Jumong (TV series)|Jumong]]

*''[[Love Truly]]''

*''[[Love in Heaven]]''

====Animé====

I'd appreciate your opinion in the Discussion of the article "Dissident Voice". Thank you. [[User:Ste4k|Ste4k]] 16:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

*''[[Bleach (manga)|Bleach]]''

*''[[Card Captor Sakura]]''

*''[[Case Closed|Detective Conan]]''

*''[[Chrono Crusade]]''

*''[[Dragon Ball Z]]''

*''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]''

*''[[Ghostfighter]]''

*''[[Fighting Spirit|Knockout]]''

*''[[Machine Robo Rescue]]''

*''[[One Piece]]

*''[[Pokemon]]''

*''[[Rockman Exe]]''

*''[[Samurai 7]]

*''[[The Slayers]]''

*''[[Slamdunk]]''

====Tokusatsu====

Hey Slim, I was kinda wondering why you removed the paragraph about the stupid "Jew and Me" article. I figure there probably shouldn't be an article at all about [[Dissident Voice]], but if there is going to be one then we should at least provide some indication of just how strange the newsletter's publications really are.- [[User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg]] | [[User talk:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|Talk]] 23:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

*''[[Kamen Rider Blade]]''

*''[[Genseishin Justiriser]]''

===RGMA programs nationwide===

I guess it does actually look kinda strange in the article, I won't restore it.- [[User:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg]] | [[User talk:Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg|Talk]] 01:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

*Newscasts

**''[[Balitang Bisdak]]'' -regional newscast of GMA Cebu

**''[[Ratsada]]'' - regional newscast of GMA Iloilo and Bacolod

**''[[Testigo]]'' -regional newscast of GMA Davao

*Variety

**''[[Bongga!]]'' - regional variety show produced by GMA Entertainment Group for GMA Iloilo and Bacolod

**''[[Kuyaw!]]''- regional variety show produced by GMA Entertainment Group for GMA Davao

**''[[Oi! (TV program)|Oi!]]''- regional variety show produced by GMA Entertainment Group for GMA Cebu

==GMA Network upcoming programs==

== Help ==

===Local Programs===

*Angela Markado<ref name="multiple"/>

*[[Celebrity Duets (Philippine TV series)|Celebrity Duets]]<ref>{{cite web | last = Barrameda | first = Joe | title = John Estrada, idolo ng kalalakihan | publisher = Abante Tonight | date =[[June 12]], [[2007]] | url =http://abante-tonite.com/issue/june1107/showbiz_jb.htm | accessdate = June 12 | language = [[Filipino language|Filipino]]}}</ref> (July 2007)

*Dyesebel<ref name="multiple"/>

*[[Fulhaus]]<ref>{{cite web | last = Diones | first = Allan | title = FIRST READ ON PEP: Pia Guanio is Vic Sotto's leading lady in new GMA-7 sitcom "Fulhaus" | publisher = Philippine Entertainment Portal | date =[[June 28]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.pep.ph/news/13828/FIRST-READ-ON-PEP:-Pia-Guanio-is-Vic-Sottos-leading-lady-in-new-GMA-7-sitcom-Fulhaus | accessdate = June 28}}</ref> (September 2007)

*Igorota<ref name="multiple"/>

*[[Kamandag]]<ref name="multiple"/> (2008)

*[[L.U.V. Pow]]<ref>{{cite web | last = Erece | first = Dinno | title = GMA-7 unleashes its new shows for 2007 | publisher = Philippine Entertainment Portal | date =[[January 19]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.pep.ph/articles/news/11932.htm | accessdate = January 27 }}</ref> (September 2007)

*[[Magic Kamison|Magic Kamison: Season 2]]<ref> (2008)[http://pep.ph/news/12505/Alex-de-Rossi-ready-to-work-with-Jennylyn-Mercado-in-&%2339;Super-Twins& Alex de Rossi ready to work with Jennylyn Mercado in 'Super Twins'], ''pep.ph'', n.d. Accessed last May 21, 2007.</ref> (2008)

*[[Marimar (Philippine TV series)|Marimar]]<ref name="multiple">{{cite web | last = Lorenzo | first = Alfie | title = GMA 7, siksik sa mga pasabog | publisher = Abante Tonight | date =[[February 5]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.abante-tonite.com/issue/feb0507/showbiz_al.htm | accessdate = February 22 | language = [[Filipino language|Filipino]]}}</ref> (September 2007)

*Rosang Agimat<ref name="multiple"/>

*[[Shaider (Philippine TV series)|Shaider]]<ref>[http://www.pep.ph/news/13214/GMA-7-to-serialize-Mga-Mata-ni-Angelita-of-the-late-Julie-Vega "GMA-7 to serialize Mga Mata ni Angelita of the late Julie Vega"], '' mb.com.ph'', n.d. Accessed last April 12, 2007.</ref> (2007)

*[[Sine Novela]]<ref name="multiple"/>

# [[Kung Mahawi Man Ang Ulap]]

# Saan Darating Ang Umaga

# Dapat Ka Bang Mahalin

# Gaano Kadalas Ang Minsan

# Saan Nagtatago Ang Pag-ibig

# Paano Ba Ang Mangarap

# Kung Aagawin Mo Ang Lahat Sa Akin

# Tayong Dalawa

# Ikaw Naman Ang Iiyak

*[[StarStruck|StarStruck: The Star Explosion]]<ref>{{cite web | last = E. Bautista | first = Mario | title = Starstruck Top 6 to get maximum exposure | publisher = Journal Online | date =[[April 10]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2007-04-10&sec=3&aid=14564 | accessdate = June 6}}</ref> (December 2007)

*[[Super Twins#Season 2|Super Twins: Season 2]]<ref>{{cite web | last = Asiñas | first = Noel | title = Na-‘X’ na ‘MKM’ episode, lumusot sa MTRCB! | publisher = Journal Online | date =[[June 6]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2007-06-06&sec=3&aid=20470 | accessdate = June 6}}</ref> (March 2008)

*[[Tasya Fantasya]]<ref name="multiple"/>

*Untitled Philippine-China Co-Production<ref>{{cite web | last = Asiñas | first = Noel | title = China makikisosyo sa GMA-7 | publisher = Journal Online | date =[[June 13]], [[2007]] | url =http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2007-06-14&sec=3&aid=21319 | accessdate = June 13}}</ref>

*Zimatar<ref name="multiple"/>

==Special Shows==

Hi Slim, you're the only admin I've really had any dealings with and I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I've been watching the [[African Jew]] page for some time and an anonymous user keeps changing almost every mention of the word Jew to "Hebrew Israelite" (there are a few exceptions where he changes it to "foreign Jew" etc). Trying to remove the word Jew from an article about Jews seems like pretty obvious vandalism to me. I posted something at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation|requests for investigation]] but looking at that page it can take days to hear anything and then it's usually a one sentence reply. At the moment I'm reverting occassionally and trying to leave other users to do some reverting too and I'm steering clear of breaking the three reverts rule but I'm worried I'm engaging in an editing war and that the editing might not be a clear enough case of vandalism for me to continue. Do you think it's acceptable for me to keep reverting or should I leave it? Any advice would be really good. Thank you.--[[User:Lo2u|Lo2u]] 21:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

*[[Kapusolympics]]: The GMA 57th Anniversary Special (July 1, 2007)

:That's fantastic! Thanks for your help.--[[User:Lo2u|Lo2u]] 21:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

== Talk archives References==

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==See also==

<s>Hey, I'm trying to find a discussion I think we had a little while back. I noticed in the history that you archive your talk page, but I can't find where the archives are (I can't find a link). Could you help me? [[User:Jesuschex|Jesuschex]] 19:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)</s>

:I looked through my own contributions and I can't find it, so it must have not been in your usertalk (maybe it was somewhere else). Sorry 'bout that. [[User:Jesuschex|Jesuschex]] 19:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

*[[GMA Network]]

== [[BDORT]] ==

*[[List of Philippine television shows]]

*[[GMA Pinoy TV]]

*[[List of programs broadcast by Q]]

*[[List of shows previously aired by GMA Network]]

==External links==

Hi Slim. In case you are inclined to help out, that article (which you assisted on the past) is in serious edit war mode again, this time between a 'stable' version (the one that survived the recent AfD), and 2 wildly varying ones. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, [[User:Crum375|Crum375]] 22:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

*[http://www.igma.tv Official Website of GMA Network]

For what it's worth: There are on the evidence a grand total of three parties, including Crum375, who have eyes on this entry, and who have been discussing it at enormous, if not preposterous, length. There had earlier been an agreement, suggested by Crum375, that any substantive changes be agreed on in talk rather than anyone laying hands on the entry directly. Over time, however, that consensus wore thin. At this point only Crum375 maintains the position that any substantive change be discussed and agreed first in discussion rather than anyone, in fact, be allowed to edit the entry. I do not doubt your intention, your judgement, or your good will, but I find it problematic that, when Crum375 fails to have the only two other participants agree with his preferred method he asks in an admin to revert to his preferred form. Ought one to take it that Crum375 is the effective sole guardian of this entry and is to prescribe his preferred procedures to all other participants, and, if they fail to agree to bring in an admin who will then simply revert to his preferred form? Frankly, I fail to see how this reflects well upon WP process. Perhaps in my simplemindedness some subtle wisdom of the process eludes me. Best. [[User:Arcsincostan|Arcsincostan]] 02:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

*[http://www.gmapinoytv.com Official Website of GMA Pinoy TV]

{{Programs}}

Hello SV, Re Crum375's first comments here above, they are not completely accurate. First, the edit war mode is in fact now between one version that is '''now roughly agreed on''' by me and Arcsincostan (who were, though, previously at odds - the "two wildly varying ones"), and the one Crum375 alone wants to remain up instead. Second the ''stable version'' referred to was made by some unilateral changes readily admitted by Crum375 (no critisicm intended). The fact that it is contended by both Arcsincostan and me demonstrates that it is anything but stable. So I do not understand your reversions. Last, please note that the version roughly agreed on by Arcsincostan and me, is strictly WP OK - crum375 does not challenge it on (substantiated) WP grounds; he was concerned about liability issues but I think they are OK, and I have in the meanwhile asked Xoloz to comment as well - so it is being checked not ignored. Returning to the agreed article by the previously warring parties, all I have done is quote word for word from the reliable neutral source that we ALL agree on: this led to quick rough agreement between Arcsincostan and me after long discussion and debate. I dont see what the problem is. The conflict seems to be resolved. Now the situation is that the previous volunteer mediator is arguing with the two parties that formerly disagreed. If the mediator would now step out, so to speak, there would be no conflict. The entry again, I stress is WP OK, BUT I am very happy for Crum375 et al to improve it as we go along - as I have stated many times, not just keep reverting it. Of course, I also welcome Crum375 to stay involved and keep improving; but again all these reversions are unnecessary. We also seem to have reached a trusting friendly discussion generally otherwise. Your comments please.--[[User:Richardmalter|Richardmalter]] 05:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[[Category:GMA Network| ]]

Hello. Just to let you know we are still waiting for your comments re the above. Thanks.--[[User:Richardmalter|Richardmalter]] 07:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[[Category:Lists of television series by network|GMA Network]]

[[tl:Tala ng mga palabas ng GMA Network]]

== A new userbox you might like ==

Hi Slim,

I couldn't resist making the following userbox after reading the attached link. After being insulted on numerous occasions by trolls I decided to fight back the best way I know how -- with a witty userbox! Feel free to remove this from your talk page if you don't appreciate the humour. = )

Cheers,

<span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:Netsnipe|'''''<span style="background-color: #003333; color:White">&nbsp;Netsnipe&nbsp;</span>''''']]'''[[User talk:Netsnipe|<span style="background-color:White; color:#003333">&nbsp;^(Talk)&nbsp;</span>]]'''</span> 06:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

{{User:Netsnipe/User_Bureaucratic_Fuck}}

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== High-Handed Editing ==

Here's what you wrote to me:

:I have to tell you that if you keep on posting that material, you're likely to be blocked from editing. If you want to add it somewhere, you must find an appropriate article for it (e.g. Holocaust denial), and then it must be written properly and fully sourced to a reliable publication. It can't simply be your own opinion. Please review our content policies: WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:NPOV. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 08:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's my right to have an opinion, or to suggest someone else's opinion on a discussion page. I'm posting it on discussion pages to invite response, not deletion. You seem a very imperious and unbending kind of administrator. Do you endorse censorship as a WP policy? You must, because you are censoring my discussion entries.

[[User:Doremifasolatido|Doremifasolatido]] 17:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding a second time, found it on my talk page. Perhaps you are not so imperious after all ;-) I'll watch it with the name calling against other editors from now on, though mainly I was getting a little tired of people deleting my stuff from the discussion pages without comment. Sorry if my addition to the discussion is offensive to you -- well, that's free speech after all. It isn't hate speech. [[User:Doremifasolatido|Doremifasolatido]] 18:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== [[Joseph Kennedy]] ==

I've added a section dealing with his virulent (even for the day) anti-Semitism. If you have any additional info, please feel free to add. [[User:Briangotts|Briangotts]] [[User talk:Briangotts|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Briangotts|(Contrib)]] 17:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:Some folks are trying to chip away at it, too... Why people rush to defend this monster is beyond my ken. [[User:Briangotts|Briangotts]] [[User talk:Briangotts|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Briangotts|(Contrib)]] 19:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done about all I can on this. Rjensen continues to whitewash. [[User:Briangotts|Briangotts]] [[User talk:Briangotts|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Briangotts|(Contrib)]] 20:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== [[Munich Massacre]] ==

I'm just interested as to why such a heavy-handed (IMHO) editing job was done on this article. Much relevant info was removed (and in some cases restored by me). Why?

[[User:BassPlyr23|BassPlyr23]] [[User talk:BassPlyr23|BassPlyr23]]

== Stolen talk page ==

Hi, Slim. I hope you don't mind that I shamelessly [[User talk:Musical Linguist|stole the coding from your talk page]]. Not being a huge fan of dogs, I used a frog instead. At the [[Le Cordon Bleu|Cordon Bleu School]] a few years ago, we had just put our cakes in the oven one day, when one of the chefs told us in a very mysterious way that we were all to come upstairs and to bring our cameras. Another Chef (the one with the most prestigious qualifications in the entire school) was making some animals (a frog and a rabbit) out of marzipan. I'd love to be able to say that I made this myself, but it wasn't even part of the course. Str1977 hasn't been over enthusiastic &mdash; he thinks it's too human for his liking! Cheers. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<b><font size="3">♫</font></b>]] 14:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

== Luther and Antisemitism ==

Hi Slim, please consider please consider coming back [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Martin_Luther&diff=63466706&oldid=63458404 here]] to summarize Luther and Antisemitism in the Martin Luther article. --[[User:Doright|Doright]] 20:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

== My mistake ==

I apologize, I did not see that the PETA criticisms were hidden in among the rewritten text. While I have not edited the page before, I do follow it closely and was dismayed to see all the criticisms gone. [[User:Nrets|Nrets]] 15:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

== Jews ==

Heya... how would you feel if "the new anti-semitism" was nominated for F.A.? I notice you are a major contributor to the article. I, on the other hand, have contributed nothing, I just stumbled upon it and it looked good. - [[User:Abscissa|Abscissa]] 21:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

:Perhaps you could do me a small favour then and let me know who is a "regular" on the article so I can contact them. - [[User:Abscissa|Abscissa]] 21:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

== Dershowitz ==

You don't seriously think that an section about Dershowitz vs. Finkelstein should mostly be devoted to discussing Chomsky, do you?

I'm also amused that, given your views on OR, you think it's legit to say Dershowitz is "making the sentence appear to advance a line of reasoning that it in fact holds up for ridicule."

You're obviously too bright to honestly think the Chomsky stuff is a good edit, so I can only conclude that you're WikiStalking me again. [[User:Ragout|Ragout]] 05:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

: SV, you ask about the first time you Wikistalked me. It was on the WWI page, when you reverted my edits about Keynes' views on German war guilt. At the time, I pointed out to you that this appeared to be Wikistalking. I suspect that was your first an last edit on the WWI page (other than minor edits, perhaps).

: You also accuse me of Wikistalking you because, after an absence from Wikipedia, I posted some comments on the WP:NOR talk page. Since the comments were on an issue I've long been following and debating, your accusation is absurd. Perhaps you've forgotten that the example of OR being discussed there was originally cribbed from my edits? [[User:Ragout|Ragout]] 05:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

== Animal Testing ==

Hi again, SlimVirgin. I just wanted to leave you a personal note to apologise for the palavar on the animal testing talkpage. I made the mistake of just assuming an editor knew how to source material correctly and, worse, waded in to back them up without checking first that they were actually providing what they said they were. What makes it more galling is that it was obviously my own bias to blame (assuming from their job that they knew what was acceptable). I most certainly wouldn't have afforded an anti-POV editor the same assumption. Anyway, its a lesson learned for me and something i'll be extra careful of repeating in future. '''[[User:Rockpocket|<font color="green">Rockpock</font>]]<font color="black">e</font>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<font color="green">t</font>]]''' 07:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

==Name dropping==

Hope you don't mind, but when discussing a rather contentious issue with an admin who was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:British_Isles&diff=62799258&oldid=62790250 involved in writing the NPOV policy years ago] I was reminded of your earlier instruction on NOR and took the liberty of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:British_Isles&diff=63387892&oldid=63387733 mentioning it] (sorry about the capitalisation). The incivility and lack of assuming good faith has concerned me to the point of raising [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#13 July 2006|an alert]], but thought you might be interested in the NPOV undue weight issues and in the creative approach to research which [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:British_Isles&diff=63682937&oldid=63679072 still continues]. Thanks again for those earlier lessons! ..[[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 10:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for coming in on the [[British Isles]] issue. As you'll have seen, [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]] had already laid down the law. Embarrassingly, you promptly and rightly slapped down my over-conciliatory attempt at adding brief coverage of the alleged controversy to the intro: another much needed lesson! In future I'll try harder. ..[[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 10:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

==Joel Brand==

Congratulations on getting FA status! Why no star on the article page? (It doesn't show up on my browser, anyway.) [[User:Peirigill|Peirigill]] 23:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia talk:Verifiability]] comments by [[User:Francis Schonken]] ==

What is the reason you are reverting the comments added by [[User:Francis Schonken]]? —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]&nbsp;&bull; 23:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

== Lyndon Larouche ==

A Larouche sympathizer has been adding dubious information to the page. I've already used up my three reverts (in retrospect, I probably should have waited a bit longer before the last one). You may wish to intervene. [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] 23:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

== More on the arbitration workshop ==

You might want to check the latest on our [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli apartheid/Workshop|ongoing arbitration workshop]] - Fred Bauder appears to want to make an example of all four of the parties with lengthy bans for all of us (without any precedent, as I've pointed out). I'm sure you'll agree this is inappropriate. I've added a fair amount of comments and some new proposals; in particular, you might want to take a look at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israeli apartheid/Workshop#Good faith, bad methods]]. It does appear that we all broke the rules but only in the process of attempting to uphold other rules. I'd be interested to know what you think. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 00:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for the kind words. :-) I feel I ought to correct you on one thing, though. You said that "wheel warring requires the multiple use of admin powers" - actually, it doesn't. [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war#Wheel warring|The most recent relevant past decision on a wheel war]] found that any action "undoing an administrative action by another administrator", ''even if it doesn't use admin powers'', counts as wheel warring. It's bit ironic that although Jayjg voted for this principle, he's now being nominated for a ban on the basis of it (as are the rest of us, of course). -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 00:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== A Medcab case ==

Hi, there. It seems Francis Schonken has filed an informal mediation request at the [[WP:MEDCAB|Mediation cabal]] concerning your reversion of his addition to [[Wikipedia talk:verifiability]]. I'm not sure of the circumstances myself, but it may be helpful to clear things up to the user to explain why you reverted the edits on the case page, if possible. On a side note, I think a source of the confusion might be your use of the default reversion edit summary, making him think you were accusing him of vandalism, perhaps. Thanks. :) <font color="DarkGreen">[[User:Cowman109|Cowman109]]</font>^{[[User talk:Cowman109|Talk]]} 04:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, woops, I forgot to link the case page! Silly me. [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-16 impossible conditions]]. There we go. :D <font color="DarkGreen">[[User:Cowman109|Cowman109]]</font>^{[[User talk:Cowman109|Talk]]} 04:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::Hi there SlimVirgin, I've taken the case that Cowman was talking about. Please let e know if you would not like to participate in this mediation process. Right now it looks straight forward enough to just be on your's and Francis Schonken talk page. However, if you feel that [[Wikipedia talk:Verifiability]] would be a better place to discuss this, we'll talk there. However, it seems that there shouldn't be too many problems with this. Thanks for your time. Yours, [[User:The Halo|Th]][[User:The Halo/Esperanza|<font color="green">ε</font>]][[User:The Halo| Halo]] ^{[[User talk:The Halo|'''Θ''']]} 11:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Hi again. After looking at all of the evidence given to me, I think that there are two main problems.

:::#That your edit summery for removing his comments wasn't clear enough, and (as cowman's said above) your use of the default revision summery made it look like you thought he was committing vandalism. This was obviously just a misunderstanding and a brake down in communication, but I think it would help you you explained why you removed his edits.

:::#After you removed his edits, Francis responded in, what might be considered, a rash way, by leaving you an offical looking warning for a misunderstanding. Then you responded rashly by telling him not to post on this page. Again, this was a simple communication brake down, and one that can be easily fixed.

:::As I suggested, I think a simple explination would sort this whole mess out. [[User:The Halo|Th]][[User:The Halo/Esperanza|<font color="green">ε</font>]][[User:The Halo| Halo]] ^{[[User talk:The Halo|'''Θ''']]} 11:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC) - <small>PS, I'm just letting you know that all discussions can be found [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-16 impossible conditions|here]]. </small>

::::I quite undertand, Slim. I'll try talking to Francis, and see if I can work something out with him. Good luck in the future!! [[User:The Halo|Th]][[User:The Halo/Esperanza|<font color="green">ε</font>]][[User:The Halo| Halo]] ^{[[User talk:The Halo|'''Θ''']]} 12:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Zeq ==

You are conflating two different agreements. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JDoorjam#Resolution], the agreement I am referring to preceded the one about the RFA and was agreed to as an alternative to banning Zeq for the article he opened about me. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 12:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

In any case, in the agreement you referred to, Zeq agreed not to be a party to the RFA in exchange for my agreeing to mediation - the fact that mediation did not occur does not free Zeq of his obligations. But again, that agreement is not the one I referred to. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 12:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

He's been free to participate as a third party, as you recall he had previously tried to make himself an involved party. In any case, if he has any specific allegations against me as per our prior agreement he can take them to JDoorjam.[[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 12:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Then what was the point of my agreeing to mediation in exchange for Zeq withdrawing from the Arbitration since, if mediation had proceeded there would have been no arbitration? There was only ever going to be one process, we didn't know which one. The only point to my agreeing to the deal you brokered was that if there was no mediation Zeq would not be part of the RFA. By your argument there was nothing to be gained by my agreeing to your deal.12:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Your interpretation lets Zeq have it both ways since it nullifies his obligations. If there was a mediation he'd participate (and the chances of mediation increased with my agreeing to it) whilst if there was arbitration he'd still be able to participate despite his agreement. The only way he'd not have to participate is if both processes occured simultaneously but clearly that was never an option since the ArbComm would have bowed out had mediation proceeded. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 12:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks==

Just wanted to tnank you for reverting my talk page :) --[[User:Aishel|aishel]] 13:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"Had there been mediation, Zeq would not have taken part in the arbcom case, but there ''was'' no mediation,"

==Zeq and wikilawyering===

Had there been mediation there ''would have been no'' arbcomm case. That was the whole point! Forget wikilawyering, tell me straight up are you honestly saying now that you were thinking there would be both mediation and an ArbComm case? Come on, you were quite feverishly working to have the RFA shelved in favour of mediation and you asked Arbitrators to delay taking on the case in hopes there would be mediation. Now you're giving me this doubletalk that Zeq's agreement to not participate in the RFA was only in effect if there was no RFA (because the only way to prevent the RFA was through mediation). You're trying to have it both ways. And no, that's not "wikilawyering", if anything is it's your double argument. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 14:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, exactly. I wanted mediation instead of arbitration. And Zeq agreed not to push for arbitration if you would agree to the mediation and help to get the other dissenter on board, so then we'd have only mediation. But you didn't. You hesitated, then agreed at the very last minute, and AFAIK did nothing to ease the process along, so the whole mediation effort was for nothing. You didn't even reply to my last e-mails to you. Therefore, all bets were off. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] ^{<font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font>} 14:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Your last email to me consisted of one sentence "Thank you!" after I signed on to mediation. Sorry but if you're trying to blame me for there being no mediation you're barking up the wrong tree. I lived up to my end of the bargain only after Zeq agreed to withdraw from the RFA and , as you said, after he agreed "to stop posting about you", he's gone back on his word. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 14:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"Yes, exactly. I wanted mediation instead of arbitration."

Exactly, so Zeq withdrawing from the RFA only if there was mediation instead of arbitration is a null position. There would have been no reason for me to agree to that if that was all there was since it would have been pointless to have Zeq agree not to participate in an RFA only if there wasn't going to be one. The only point of that agreement was to have Zeq agree to withdraw regardless of whether or not the ArbComm picked up the case, not conditional on them ''not'' hearing the case as you are now arguing. [[User:Homeontherange|Homey]] 14:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Vandal help ==

Gidday. I'm Ace. I notice you're an administrator. That's hot. Ahem. Thing is...I have a problem. Well, rather, Wikipedia has a problem. [[User:|70.33.248.120]] ( [[User talk:70.33.248.120|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/70.33.248.120|contribs]] ). I know I probably should have come to...someone...with this sooner, but here's the short vaersion: Guy's gone vandal. I think there was a respect, albeit GIPU Wikipedian working with that name at some point, but...well, as his talk page will clearly show, he's making more harmful edits than productive. I was wondering if maybe you could block him, if you deem it necessary, I mean. [[User:Ace Class Shadow|ACS (Wikipedian)]] 17:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== WP:BLP in practise ==

Hi, I saw your work in [[WP:BLP]] and I was hoping you could help me with something. An editor has added in [[Mel Gibson]] that Gibson also worked with allegedly lesbian actress [[Jodie Foster]]. After I removed it, he added it again, this time with a source (albeit not a great one IMO) concerning the 'allegedly lesbian' part. see [[Talk:Mel Gibson#Jodie_Foster]]. Even if it's sourced good, would that be fitting on the Mel Gibson article or only on the Jodie Foster article. Since it is 'allegedly' my guess only on the Jodie Foster article. (when sourced) Note that almost nothing is sourced on the Jodie Foster article and I am not a regular editor or expert on either articles. [[User:Garion96|Garion96]] [[User talk:Garion96|(talk)]] 18:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

=THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE HOLOCAUST IS THAT SOME JEWS SURVIVED=

Other than that it was awesome!!!!