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| Name = Liberation

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| Type = Studio

*[[Doctor Who]]-related [[message]]s '''[[User talk:TheDoctor10/Doctor Who|HERE PLEASE!]]'''

| Artist = [[Mýa]]

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| Released = {{flagicon|USA}} [[September 18]], [[2007]]

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| Recorded = 2004-2007

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| Genre = [[rhythm and blues|R&B]]

| Length =

| Label = [[Motown]]

| Producer = Carvin & Ivan, [[Bryan Michael Cox]], Detail, [[Kwame]], Paula Pete, [[Jonathan "J.R." Rotem]], [[Rick Rubin]], [[Tricky Stewart]], [[Scott Storch]]

| Last album = ''[[Moodring]]''<br>(2003)

| This album = ''Liberation''<br>(2007)

| Next album =

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'''''Liberation''''' is the fourth studio album by American [[R&B]] singer [[Mýa]], to be released by [[Motown Records]] on [[September 18]], [[2007]] (see [[2007 in music]]) in the [[United States]]. It was primarily produced by [[Scott Storch]] and [[Jonathan "J.R." Rotem]], with additional production from [[Bryan Michael Cox]], [[Kwame]], and [[Tricky Stewart]] among others. The album features guest appearances by rappers [[Lil Wayne]], [[Snoop Dogg]] and [[Charli Baltimore]].

==Three revert rule violation==

Please be advised that you have reverted edits to the [[Rose Tyler]] article four times within the last 24 hours, which has violated the [[3RR|Three revert rule]]. Any further reversions may result in you being blocked. If you wish to discuss this situation before doing any further reverts, please do so on the talk page for that article. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

:<small>''Note - the above message was posted by a raving lunatic''</small>

::TD10, you may have noticed that I've been trying to work as a sort of advocate for you. But I won't be able to continue to do so if you continue your edit warring and engage in personal attacks like the above. Is it really that difficult to listen respectfully to the opinions of others, and try to respect consensus? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] ([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]]) 18:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::<small>from [[User talk:Josiah Rowe]]: </small>Thankyou for trying to work as a sort of advocate for me, but I'm afraid that if I think that someone is actually wrong, I will correct them. The consensus is irrelevant, I can find people to match it, despite being accused of lying. I shall, therefore, revert it, and when I get blocked, I may resort to sock-puppeting (note the '''may''', not ''will''). Yours,--[[User:TheDoctor10|TheDoctor10]] ([[User talk:TheDoctor10|talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/TheDoctor10|email]]) 13:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::::I'm away from my computer on vacation this week, so haven't been very involved in the latest brouhaha. However, I think I'm probably too involved in the situation to act as an advocate in the strictest sense of the word; also, if you continue to act in willful disobedience of Wikipedia's policies and ethos, I'm not sure I'd want to any more. I've been hoping that you would decide to work in a productive and helpful manner, instead of edit warring and threatening other violations of Wikipedia's policies. My [[Wikipedia:assume good faith|good faith]] is waning. [[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] ([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]]) 01:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::P.S. It is a fundamental truth of human nature that people have different opinions about truth. If Wikipedia allowed everyone to constantly alter articles to accord with their own opinions, no progress would ever be made on any page. In order to avoid this problem, Wikipedia works with a policy of [[Wikipedia:consensus|consensus]]. One quotation from that page is particularly relevant in this situation:

::::::''Nearly every editor believes that their position is reasonable; good editors acknowledge that positions opposed to their own may also be reasonable. But Wikipedia's consensus practice does not justify stubborn insistence on an eccentric position combined with refusal to consider other viewpoints in good faith.''

:::::If you can't agree to this guideline, you might want to consider whether you really want to participate in Wikipedia at all. [[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] ([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]]) 01:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

==History==

===Production===

Myá has been working on her fourth studio album on and off since 2004. Originally conceived as a project called ''Control Freak'',<ref name="vh12">{{cite web|title="Mya Is Murderous Onscreen And A Control Freak On Record"|work=VH1 News|url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1497494/20050225/mya.jhtml|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref> the album's first version was actually scheduled for a summer [[2005]] release and involving main production by [[Scott Storch]], [[Dr. Dre]], [[Lil Jon]], [[Rockwilder]] and [[songwriter]] [[Sean Garrett]].<ref name="vh12">{{cite web|title="Mya Is Murderous Onscreen And A Control Freak On Record"|work=VH1 News|url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1497494/20050225/mya.jhtml|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref> Although she intended to release a dance track called "Let It Go" at a particular time,<ref name="mtv3">{{cite web | title="For The Record"|work=MTV News|url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1504328/20050617/kid_rock.jhtml|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref> the singer eventually decided to leave [[A&M Records]] in fall 2005 before signing a new contract with [[Motown Records]].<ref name="vh13">{{cite web | title="Mya Gives Up Grudges And Ego"|work=VH1|url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1541356/20060920/mya.jhtml|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref>

In the following months Mýa began consulting a few other producers to collaborate on the album, renamed ''Liberation'', including [[Tim & Bob]], [[Bryan Michael Cox]], [[Jonathan "J.R." Rotem]] and [[Tricky Stewart]].<ref name="vh13">{{cite web | title="Mya Gives Up Grudges And Ego"|work=VH1|url=http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1541356/20060920/mya.jhtml|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref> In mid-[[2006]], however, a buzz single entitled "[[Ayo]]" was leaked onto the internet but due time-consuming "litigations, court, transitioning from label to label, teaching kids and building a studio"<ref name="billboard1">{{cite web | title="Mya 'Liberated' On New Album With Storch, Cox"|work=Billboard|url=http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003574635|accessdate=2007-05-19}}</ref> ''Liberation'' has been bumped from the schedule numerous times.

Please familiarize yourself with [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette]]. Such behavior like leaving snide little remarks like the above will result in you being banned from editing. You also continue to violate [[3RR]]. One more revert by you that violates this rule and I will block you. Yours truly, the "raving lunatic". [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

On [[March 5]], [[2007]] the album's first single "[[Lock U Down]]," a Storch-produced collaboration with [[Lil Wayne]], was sent to radio. The album is currently sheduled for a [[September 18]], [[2007]] release.

:Let me tell you again what everyone has been telling you. 3RR is not an entitlement. You are blocked for 24 hours for 3RR and for disruption and for incivility. Revert again against consensus, the blocks will increase. You are very welcome - and I '''implore''' you - to make your complaints to the Wikimedia Foundation. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 17:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Block Tracklisting==

#“Liberation”

#“I Am” <small>(featuring [[Charli Baltimore]])</small>

#“Walka Not a Talka” <small>(featuring [[Snoop Dogg]])</small>

#“Still a Woman”

#“No Touchin’”

#“[[Lock U Down]]” <small>(featuring [[Lil Wayne]])</small>

#“Lights Go Off”

#“[[Ridin' (Mya song)|Ridin']]”

#“Switch It Up”

#“Give a Chick a Hand”

#“All in the Name of Love”

#“Life Is Too Short”

#“Nothin’ at All”

#“[[Ayo (song)|Ayo]]” <small>(featuring [[DJ Kool]]</small>

==Singles==

I emailed [[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]] this:

#"[[Lock U Down]]" <small>(featuring [[Lil' Wayne]])</small>

#"[[Ridin' (Mya song)|Ridin']]"

==Leftover tracks==

''Look, you bloody fool. However many times you tell me to the contrary, it IS an entitlement. That's what the rule says. If that's not what it means, then it's time to change it. If you see my coments on User_talk:23skidoo, you will see that (no threats) it is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE for you to block me, and yes, I shall complain to the WMF, when I am unblocked I'll carry on reverting, or maybe make a few sockpuppets (again, MAYBE not WILL).

* "[[Ayo (song)|Ayo]]" (featuring DJ Kool)

* "Climb the Walls" <small>(written by Nwanery)</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "Escape" <ref name="myspace">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

:It's '''not''' an entitlement. 3RR is supposed to be a last resort. You're meant to attempt to resolve differences amicably without revert warring. It explains this VERY CLEARLY on the policy pages about 3RR and I've seen people quote them to you before now. You aren't meant to revert war every day over your "right" to insert a piece of sub-trivia into a note on one article just because you can. Get yourself a clue or two. [[User:PaulHammond|PaulHammond]] 23:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

* "How We Carry" <small>(produced by Jonathan "J.R." Rotem)</small> <ref name="rap-up preview">{{cite web | title="Preview"| work=Rap-Up| url=http://www.rap-up.com/index.php/?p=2187#more-2187| accessdate=2007-05-21}}</ref>

* "I Got That" (featuring [[The Game (rapper)|The Game]]) <small>(produced by Scott Storch)</small> <ref name="rap-up preview">{{cite web | title="Preview"| work=Rap-Up| url=http://www.rap-up.com/index.php/?p=2187#more-2187| accessdate=2007-05-21}}</ref>

* "I'll Still Be Around" <small>(written by [[Jennifer Lopez]], TBA)</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "It Don't Matter" <small>(written by [[Sean Garrett]])</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "Let It Go" <ref name="MTV-1">{{cite web | title="For the Record"| work=MTV News| url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1504328/20050617/kid_rock.jhtml| accessdate=2007-05-21}}</ref>

* "Mercy" <small>(written by [[Jason Boyd]], S. Storch)</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "One Night" <small>(produced by [[Tim & Bob]])</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "Shake It like a Dog" <small>(written by J. Boyd, TBA)</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

* "Smilin'"

* "Shake It"

* "The Hills"

* "Wanna Love Me Now" <small>(written by Nwanery)</small> <ref name="windswept/03/2007">{{cite web | title="Windswept Monthly"| work=Windswept Pacific| url=http://www.windsweptpacific.com/thecharts/windsweptmonthly_032007.pdf| accessdate=2007-04-29}}</ref>

==Notes==

:Just btw - there are some people who volutarily stick to a ONE revert rule, because they think any more than that leads to bad feeling. That might be a bit advanced for you, but it's something to think about. Let's see if I can find a reference. [[User:PaulHammond|PaulHammond]] 23:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC). Ah - here it is - they are the [[WP:HEC|Harmonious editing club]]

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{{Mýa}}

No respect,

[[Category:2007 albums]]

[[Category:Mýa albums]]

TheDoctor10''

[[Category:Motown Records albums]]

:No, it isn't a criminal offence. The Computer Misuse Act 1990 has absolutely bugger all to do with this, and I find it quite amusing that you're trying to tell me what is and isn't one considering my profession and where I obtained my qualifications. Go ask a solicitor, and they'll tell you the exact same thing. And if you continue reverting, I and others will continue to block you, have no doubt about that. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 17:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:And to continue to disabuse you of your misapprehension of what 3RR means, let me quote two sections of the page to you, since you seem to be unable to read or comprehend it (my emphases):

::'''''This does not imply that reverting three times or less is acceptable'''. In excessive cases, people can be blocked for edit warring or disruption '''even if they do not revert more than three times per day.'''''

and

::''The three-revert rule '''is not an entitlement''', but an "electric fence"; the 3RR is intended to stop [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit wars]]. It ''does not'' grant users an inalienable right to three reverts every 24 hours or endorse reverts as an editing technique. Persistent reversion remains strongly discouraged and is unlikely to constitute working properly with others.''

::It's not an entitlement. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 18:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Wrong: the CMA has '''everything''' to do with this. I am a British citizen, and I live in and edit from the UK. That is the act that governs the WP-TheDoctor10 relationship. The parts of the policy that you have quoted contradict the main aim of the policy (ie "users may not revert more than 3 times within 24hrs...users are not allowed to revert up to 3 times within 24hrs" Since it is self-contradiction, I shall take the first and most important part to be the rule, so be aware that you have broken the law. (Also, you claim to live in Singapore, so I'm not sure how you'd know anything about the CMA. For all you know, I'm a IT law specialist, anyway). Sod off,--[[User:TheDoctor10|TheDoctor10]] ([[User talk:TheDoctor10|talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/TheDoctor10|email]]) 18:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:You really should learn the meaning of context. Let me repeat this here again:

::''The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions on a single Wikipedia article within 24 hours of their first reversion. (This does not apply to self-reverts or correction of simple vandalism). This does not imply that reverting three times or less is acceptable. In excessive cases, people can be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day.''

:What part of "This (i.e. the rule) does not imply that..." do you not understand? It's perfectly undestandable, and has been perfectly understood by plenty of editors. If you're the only one having problems with it, perhaps the problem is with you.

:How do I know I didn't break the law? Because I did my LL.B. in the University of London; Singapore law is a common law system the same as British law; I studied the Computer Misuse Act in University; I applied Singapore's own version of the CMA, which is derived in part from the UK Act, while I was a prosecutor; and I have eight years of experience in civil and criminal law. I am quite confident I know the law, and that you have no clue what you're talking about. Sure, I don't know if you're an IT law specialist, but you certainly don't impress me as one. If you ask me, you act like a petulant teenager. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 18:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the insult - I'll use it more often in conversation with my friends in their late 20s. I understand what it says, but it would be like the Theft Act 1968 saying "nobody shall steal, but this does not imply that anybody shall not steal". Sod off.--[[User:TheDoctor10|TheDoctor10]] ([[User talk:TheDoctor10|talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/TheDoctor10|email]]) 18:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:You really need to learn the difference between prohibitive and prescriptive language, too. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 18:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::How does he know the law? You didn't read [[User:Khaosworks|Khaosworks]]'s user page yet? The guy is a lawyer - understanding the application of law is what he does for a living! [[User:PaulHammond|PaulHammond]] 23:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I asked how he would understand British law, you unutterable buffoon.--[[User:TheDoctor10|TheDoctor10]] ([[User talk:TheDoctor10|talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/TheDoctor10|email]]) 08:24, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

: I suggest re-reading Khaoswork's responses again as you appear to have missed the part about him studying law in London. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 19:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

==3RR as Entitlement==

So you're aware, the arbcom has specifically ruled that "The three revert rule is an electric fence, not an entitlement. The 3RR is intended as a means to stop sterile edit wars. It does not grant users an inalienable right to three reverts every twenty-four hours or endorse reverts as an editing technique. Persistent reversion remains strongly discouraged and is unlikely to constitute working properly with others." In [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Charles Darwin-Lincoln dispute]] this issue led to one month bans for two users, in addition to one year bans from some specific articles, so it's a matter to take seriously. Finally, I would propose to you that being more civil with the people you disagree with might be beneficial. [[User:Snowspinner|Phil Sandifer]] 15:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

: In response to your question (to be honest I'm tired of trying to explain Wikipedia policy to you so I'll ignore the rest of it), RfC is [[Request for Comment]], a procedure that can ask neutral (ie uninvolved parties not involved in an argument) to examine the situation and provide feedback. It's basically one step down from Arbcom. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 23:02, 25 November 2005 (UTC)