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<b>Especifismo</b> is an [[anarchist]] [[praxis]] which originates in [[South America]]. Some [[argue]] that it is a [[natural]] [[evolution]] of the [[ideas]] of [[Platformism]] and [[Sintetismo]]. It [[involves]] "1) The [[need]] for a [[specifically]] anarchist [[organization]] [[built]] around a [[unity]] of ideas and praxis. 2) The [[use]] of the specifically anarchist organization to [[theorize]] and [[develop]] [[strategic]] [[political]] and [[organizing]] work. 3) [[Active]] [[involvement]] and building of [[autonomous]] and [[popular]] [[social movements]], called [['social insertion]].' The [[praxis]] [[implies]] the [[existence]] of an orginization that [[manifests]] an [[open]] and specifically anarchist [[adhesion]]. This would be done in order to [[disseminate]] anarchist ideas in a [[form]] that can be visible to the [[militant]] anarchist [[element]] of [[society]]. Especifismo is a praxis that [[expresses]] itself in the [[national]] and [[regional]] anarchist organizations of the world.

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'''[[User talk:Bunchofgrapes/Archive 1|Archive 1]]''' (Creation &ndash; 21 November 2005)<br/>

'''[[User talk:Bunchofgrapes/Archive 2|Archive 2]]''' (21 November 2005&ndash;12 December 2005)

== Whoops ==

Sorry: You do '''not''' have new messages. I left one for soeone else her by mistak, and have just come back to retrieve it. Sorry about that seem to be half asleep this morning. [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 13:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Re: [[Self-defense]]==

Thanks for your note, it is greatly appreciated. Although I am confident that was vandalism, I just want to be careful ''in case'' there are any doubts. --[[User:Hurricane111|Hurricane111]] 03:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Your block of Benapgar ==

Thanks for taking a principled stand and doing the right thing. I'd like to point out that Ben launched a fresh round of attacks on Guettarda on his talk page during his block. I removed the personal attacks. Ben reverted and left me a nice little edit summary:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABenapgar&diff=31166849&oldid=31166706]

I think his block should be extended 24 hours. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 08:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reply. If you want to know the history of Benapgar's problems, I suggest taking a look at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Benapgar]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Benapgar]].

:Considering his vulgar edit summary [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABenapgar&diff=31166849&oldid=31166706] and the recent comments at [[User_talk:Benapgar#On_Guettarda:_For_the_record]], which I encourage you to read, the message contained in the block has clearly not sunk in. Extending the block is certainly a better and less disruptive option for the project than allowing him to continue as he is even while blocked or an RFAr, which at the rate he's going is the next stop. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 16:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Protected page ==

Hi there,

A small task I ask. Could you add <nowiki>{{current}}</nowiki> to the [[Stanley Williams]] page. Thanks--Jay '''([[User talk:Master Jay|Reply]])''' 21:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

:I haven't brought it up on the articles talk page. However, I don't think it would be much of an issue to tag it <nowiki>{{current}}</nowiki>. --Jay '''([[User talk:Master Jay|Reply]])''' 21:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

::I understand.--Jay '''([[User talk:Master Jay|Reply]])''' 23:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Kumanovo ==

You might want to take a look at [[User talk:Bitola]]. Then you can stop making arguments based on what is clearly a lie. If you still dont understand, you'll notice Bitola was warned about adding a copyvio and then continuing to do so. If you look at the history of Kumanovo you'll see Akamad has previously reverted Bitola's bad faith edits. Cut the BS. [[User:Freestylefrappe|freestylefrappe]] 22:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

==Regarding blueberry==

Regarding the message you left at [[Talk:Blueberry]], if you don't suppose that the article can be upgraded to become a [[wikipedia:featured article|featured article]], perhaps we could collaborate on something less... specific and something more general on a worldwide basis? What do you think? &mdash;[[User:Hollow Wilerding|Hollow Wilerding]] 00:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

:As a matter of coincidental fact, I had been looking at that article earlier this evening (or morning, wherever you are located in the world). Since I do enjoy cooking with various garlics, perhaps we could collaborate on the article. Its quality is... questionable. A very broad topic shouldn't be sitting in the peanut gallery. Let us make garlic! &mdash;[[User:Hollow Wilerding|Hollow Wilerding]] 00:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

::Oregon. Very cool. Are there any specific topics you want me to research? &mdash;[[User:Hollow Wilerding|Hollow Wilerding]] 00:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Fixes (Hopefully) Made to Delrina FAC ==

Hello there. I've mentioned this on the respective [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Delrina|FAC page for Delrina]], but I believe I have addressed the issues that you pointed out earlier, and would invite you to inspect what I have done. Cheers! [[User:Captmondo|Captmondo]] 03:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

==WP:AN/I==

Thanks, i've updated what you said at the AN/I entry there. I'm writing a user rfc right now on him just to let you know, the tone of his voice is concerning to me. [[User:Karmafist|karmafist]] 04:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

:There we go. [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Freestylefrappe]]. [[User:Karmafist|karmafist]] 04:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== WP:V citations ==

You may be interested in [[Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Citation format poll]]: Format of citations and [[WP:V]] examples, and [[WP:FN]]. ([[User:SEWilco|SEWilco]] 16:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

== StephenJ ==

His only contributions were vandalism and your question is harassment. Stop following me. [[User:Freestylefrappe|freestylefrappe]] 18:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

: I have made some remarks on this issue, and on this response, at [[User_talk:Freestylefrappe#Your handling of Stephenj]]. -- [[User:SCZenz|SCZenz]] 18:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== RfC addition ==

Hi Bunchofgrapes, Freestylefrappe is disputing my right to add evidence to the RfC page after it was certified/endorsed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_comment%2FFreestylefrappe&diff=31528318&oldid=31518209]. Just to make sure everything's on the up-and-up, I am letting everyone who certified/endorsed the dispute summary before I made edits of the changes I made. I added more detailed evidence of my conversation with him, and the concerns it raises, as well as a summary of same, so you should take a look. Obviously you're free to suggest I change what I wrote and/or withdraw your endorsement if you see fit. -- [[User:SCZenz|SCZenz]] 22:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

:Hey, I had something I wanted to add as well, but I've never done anything with RfC before, and I'm not sure if it should go or not (it doesen't have to do with the article, but establishes a pattern of behavior). Could you pretty please take a look at [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Freestylefrappe]] and lemme know if I should add it, and where, if so? Thanks! ;] --<big>[[User:Vilerage|<font color="blue">негідний</font><font color="grey">лють</font>]]</big> ^{<small><font color="#0000ff">(</font>[[User_Talk:Vilerage|<font color="black">Reply</font>]]<font color="#ff0000">|</font>[[Special:Emailuser/Vilerage|<font color="black">Spam Me!</font>]]<strong>[[User:Vilerage/norealspamplease|<font color="#ff0000">*</font>]]</strong><font color="#0000ff">|[[User_talk:Vilerage/RfS|RfS]])</font></small>} 03:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

::I asked karma too, he said the same ;] I'll remove it ;] Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! --<big>[[User:Vilerage|<font color="blue">негідний</font><font color="grey">лють</font>]]</big> ^{<small><font color="#0000ff">(</font>[[User_Talk:Vilerage|<font color="black">Reply</font>]]<font color="#ff0000">|</font>[[Special:Emailuser/Vilerage|<font color="black">Spam Me!</font>]]<strong>[[User:Vilerage/norealspamplease|<font color="#ff0000">*</font>]]</strong><font color="#0000ff">|[[User_talk:Vilerage/RfS|RfS]])</font></small>} 03:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Freestylefrappe blocking threat ==

Hi Bunchofgrapes,

Freestylefrappe has now threatened to block me for adding information to the RFC on him [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_comment%2FFreestylefrappe&diff=next&oldid=31655564]. (The information I added, incidentally, was about him deleting an entry from the "relevant policies" section of the RFC page.) I am wondering if this may soon be a job for ArbCom. For the moment, can you keep an eye on my talk page in case he actually blocks me? Thanks.

[[User:SCZenz|SCZenz]] 22:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

:My point is that I'm not trying to cause trouble here. Kumanovo is one of many Macedonian city pages I have created. I have seen repeated references to this "edit war" being a "content dispute." This is not the case. The original reverts were because Bitola was adding copyvios. The last few reverts were because his edits were sloppy- and this is type of reversion is not unprecedented. The very last revert I did, once the RFC had started, was because he insisted on having information that was already covered. I deleted his reference to "about 100,000 residents" because there was already a more exact number farther down the page. It seems to me that the general case that ''I was uncivil'' is warranted, but that users can hardly take this RFC seriously with SCZenz and Bitola on the warpath. It also seems to me that checking whether Bitola and Macedon5 are the same person would make sense. [[User:Freestylefrappe|freestylefrappe]] 23:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Re: Seeing Phobos and Deimos from Mars ==

I'm making an artical to show and explain what phobos & deimos liik like in the martian sky. Does this sound like a good idea? &mdash; <font color="green">[[User:Hurricane Devon|Hurricane Devon]]</font> ( <font color="green">[[User Talk:Hurricane Devon|Talk]]</font> ) 19:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

:Good point. Delete it. &mdash; <font color="green">[[User:Hurricane Devon|Hurricane Devon]]</font> ( <font color="green">[[User Talk:Hurricane Devon|Talk]]</font> ) 19:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

== Copyedit work ==

You made some comments on the talk page suggesting that you were ashamed of editing this article significantly. You shouldn't feel that way. I love it when others copyedit articles that I contribute to &mdash; it gives Wikipedia a much better article than when one person controls everything. Indeed I frequently request others to do major copyedits of my work (I especially like [[User:Silence]]'s work). I like and agree with your edits, and you should continue. I am not offended at all by them. Keep up the good work. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 19:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

== [[Streetlight Manifesto]] Peer Review ==

During [[Streetlight Manifesto]]'s [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Streetlight_Manifesto/Archive1|first peer review]] you provided some very helpful advice. I have since further improved the article, in particular including your section suggestions (Critical reception, musical style), and have now put it up for a second peer review. I would greatly appreaciate any comments you could provide on my implementations of those sections you recommended as well as any new Peer Review comments. Thanks again for your help. &mdash; [[User:Ian Moody|Ian Moody]] ^{([[User talk:Ian Moody|talk]])} 14:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== From [[User:Powd3ry]] ==

Sorry that my article was misunderstood, I will spend more time revising it and research the topic more next time I post an article.

== Posting Pictures ==

Hello. I was wondering how one goes about posting a picture onto the article they have written. Thank you very much for your time. (Unsigned from [[User:Jdelpagg]])

== Hmmm.. ==

Please notice the user (you know who) changed the headline name of the message you posted - and this is not the only kind of trouble the user keeps spreading... --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] 02:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

:The user deleted off your post this time. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] 03:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

== User:William Pan ==

Hi Bunchofgrapes,

Can you take a look at this [[User:William Pan|user's page]]? The content seems to be an attack on someone. Thanks. Regards, --[[User:Hurricane111|Hurricane111]] 23:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well, I blanked the page; the user's only other contribution was vandalism along the same lines. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 01:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== Grapes, you ruined us ==

I've been going through the code and I'm quite disappointed how you never code anything Unicode friendly in Process Central. Every other string you've used is missing _T.

Thanks!

:I could have told you that. It's good, it gives you something to do. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 01:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== [[Ken Kutaragi]] ==

I'm requesting your opnion about this dispute. Lot of POV-Pushing, the article is currently blocked. --[[User:GroundZero|GroundZero]] 00:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== Favor ==

Could you erase [[51 Pegasi b]]. &mdash; <font color="green">[[User:Hurricane Devon|Hurricane Devon]]</font> ( <font color="green">[[User Talk:Hurricane Devon|Talk]]</font> ) 00:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

:Done. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 01:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== Re: Passing on a message ==

Hi, Bunchofgrapes! Thanks for the notification. I've sent Theodore7 a reply through e-mail. Regards, [[User:Sango123|<font color="#00008B">Sango</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="#008000">123</font>]] [[User talk:Sango123|<font color="#00008B"><span style="cursor:help">(talk)</span></font>]] 15:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

== Opinion please ==

Hi, Grapes. I wonder if you could look at today's history on [[Twelve Days of Christmas]] and tell me if you think I'm in danger of breaking the 3RR rule. I just kind of landed in this article today and gave it a much needed tidying-up, but I'm dealing (IMO, admittedly) with someone with an agenda and may get into a revert war. There are other editors on this article who might be of assistance, but I want to avoid stepping over the line myself. The problem is that several of the edits might be seen as reverts even though different material was added each time. (Yes, its one of those.) ''[[User:Csernica|TCC]]'' <small>[[User_talk:Csernica|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Csernica|(contribs)]]</small> 23:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

:Looking... &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 23:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

::I seem to have lucked out, as the user in question has said on the talk page that he's giving up. Thank you very much for taking the time. ''[[User:Csernica|TCC]]'' <small>[[User_talk:Csernica|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Csernica|(contribs)]]</small> 00:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Nyaaargh. Well, that's for the best :-) &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 00:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

::::We crossed talk pages. I'm not really sure that it was ever thought to be the 12 days leading up to Christmas except by some people in places where the 12 days were no longer observed and who were unaware of the history. The switch to the pre-Christmas season in the article seems to have been a bit of anon vandalism that no one caught at the time [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twelve_Days_of_Christmas&diff=32327046&oldid=31952540] Some previous editors cited Frazier to support 12/26 to 1/6, but Frazier himself seems to have confused [[Twelfth Night (holiday)]], the eve of [[Epiphany]], with the night following sunset on Epiphany itself, unless he's was just incredibly sloppy in his phrasing. [http://www.bartleby.com/196/138.html] That would naturally throw the reckoning off. (Perhaps, not coming from a liturgical tradition himself, he was confused in that the eve of the feast is counted as part of the feast itself.)

::::You're quite right about not getting into these things in the first place, but considering some of the articles I've been involved with my tolerance for flakey, left-field POVs that don't deserve serious consideration is considerably attenuated. I think I'm developing an allergy. ''[[User:Csernica|TCC]]'' <small>[[User_talk:Csernica|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Csernica|(contribs)]]</small> 00:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

::::P.S. After writing the above, I took another look at [[Twelfth Night (holiday)]] only to find that a familiar name has been at it. I think I'm going to start breaking out in hives now. ''[[User:Csernica|TCC]]'' <small>[[User_talk:Csernica|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Csernica|(contribs)]]</small> 00:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

:::I saw the same confusion you did Google-wise. Some of it comes from Frazier who, as I said, was confused himself. (And not just here. In his eagerness to syncretize all the world's religious traditions he often played a bit fast and loose. But he's one of the standard reference for syncretists.) The confusion is that the ''liturgical'' day begins at sunset as in Judaism, and it always has. When Twelfth Night is called the "night of Epiphany", what is therefore meant is that it's the evening ''before''. But when that's read by someone who reckons the day from midnight to midnight, particularly when this person is a Protestant with no liturgical tradition, it's assumed that it means the evening ''after'', but this is incorrect. ("Eve" = "night", but we now reserve the first for holidays where we know very well that it means the '''eve'''ning before. See also Hallowe'en, "All Hallows Evening", which is also the evening ''before'' All Saints Day.) There's no particular significance to the evening after, but the eve of Epiphany is celebrated like Christmas Eve in cultures where it's still observed. (And in the course of doing living history and so forth I've actually been to Twelfth Night parties thrown by enthusiasts. They're always on the night of the 5th, not the 6th.) But I'll be strong and not touch [[Twelfth Night (holiday)]] at this time. ;) ''[[User:Csernica|TCC]]'' <small>[[User_talk:Csernica|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Csernica|(contribs)]]</small> 07:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

== RfAr against Freestylefrappe ==

I've filed at RfAr regarding Freestylefrappe here: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Freestylefrappe]]. -- [[User:SCZenz|SCZenz]] 17:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

:You really need to remove the first link you posted on my RFA. Even SCZenz agreed Locke Cole was wrong. It ''was bad faith''. If he had only removed his name the intentions would be left up in the air but he removed ''everyone's'' name. [[User:Freestylefrappe|freestylefrappe]] 22:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

::You don't seriously believe that. [[User:Freestylefrappe|freestylefrappe]] 22:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I just wanted to post a quick 'thank you'. I think that that is good advice. I appreciate it. --[[User:Chris Brennan|Chris Brennan]] 21:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

==Merry Christmas!!==

<b><font color="green">M</font><font color="red">E</font><font color="green">R</font><font color="red">R</font><font color="green">Y</font> <font color="red">C</font><font color="green">H</font><font color="red">R</font><font color="green">I</font><font color="red">S</font><font color="green">T</font><font color="red">M</font><font color="green">A</font><font color="red">S</font></B>, {{PAGENAME}}! Hope it's a wonderful one! (happy New Year, too!)--[[User:ViolinGirl|<font color="#FF6699">Violin</font>]]'''''[[WP:EA|<font color="339900">G</font>]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/ViolinGirl|<font color="9999FF">irl</font>]]^{[[User_talk:ViolinGirl|<font color="CC00FF">♪</font>]]} 15:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

==Merry Christmas!!==

[[Image:RacingBicycle-non.JPG|250px|thumb|left|<b><font color="green">M</font><font color="red">E</font><font color="green">R</font><font color="red">R</font><font color="green">Y</font> <font color="red">C</font><font color="green">H</font><font color="red">R</font><font color="green">I</font><font color="red">S</font><font color="green">T</font><font color="red">M</font><font color="green">A</font><font color="red">S</font></B>, {{PAGENAME}}! A well deserved pressy!--[[User:Santa on Sleigh|Santa on Sleigh]] 22:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)]]

== RFAr Addition ==

No problem, and I agree about the 'clarity' issue. I tried to include that in the update I made to the policy by saying that copyvio reverts should only be done after clear explanation of the policy and source of copyright have been given. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBD]] <big>_{[[User talk:CBDunkerson|&#x260E;]]}</big> ^{[[Special:Emailuser/CBDunkerson|&#x2709;]]} 02:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

==Happy Holidays==

Thanks for your [[We Wish You A Merry Christmas|good tidings]]. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 04:13, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

==Cauliflower sandwich==

Hi. It's certainly a real sandwich, popular in middle-eastern delicatessens and restaurants. Do you think it qualifies for deletion? What criteria of notability will you accept for keeping an article on a sandwich? A book reference? Ah, one thing I forgot to mention is that the sandwich (or preparation style) may go by another, more notable name (probably in another language). This is just the common, English name. A quick search shows "Arnabeet Mekleh" as the correct name. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 04:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

:Still, it's best to confront your argument now, rather than later, wouldn't you agree? You clearly know more about the deletion process than I do, so this discussion can only help me. I think in this case, an English-only Google search will not show many results. I suppose it would be of interest to search the Arabic Google (sorry, I don't know Arabic) and see how many hits we get. My understanding (and this could be entirely wrong) is that a [[google test]] is only one part of afd consideration. Is there another criteria I should confront? As far as I can tell, the recipe is published in various cookbooks about [[Lebanese culture|Lebanese cuisine]]. I would certainly like to expand this article, so your criticism is very helpful. For example, your comments have made me realize that the Arabic needs to be included in the article. Further research is obviously needed. One thing that I've found is that "fried cauliflower" gets about 23,000 hits. I'm going to try to refine that search. With the addition of pita, I get 420 hits, and ''many'' references to the cauliflower sandwich variety. I think that solves part of the problem. There may continue to be an issue with the article name, however. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 05:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

::Moving articles to better titles is always ok in my book. But, I think merging the article with [[cauliflower]] would be like mergin [[Baba ganoush]] with [[eggplant]], or [[Neapolitan sauce]] with tomato. I don't see a reason to do so, although you may have good reasons. Is there an issue with stand-alone Wikipedia articles on ethnic cuisine? I'm just asking, as I haven't followed the issue closely. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 05:56, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

:::I don't have a problem with moving the article to [[fried cauliflower]], as that makes sense (to incorporate the various names for it, which continue to crop up as I search!) but I don't see a pressing need to merge it with the cauliflower article, as it appears to be a distinct ethnic cuisine that could benefit from expansion, both from a cultural and culinary perspective (no reason to categorize the main cauliflower article as "Cuisine of Lebanon", "Cuisine of India", and "Cuisine of Pakistan"). Of course, that's just my opinion, and could be wrong. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] 06:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

==Wishes==

I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --[[User:Bhadani|Bhadani]] 17:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

== Stone Soup comic strip ==

Even though we can differentiate between the men and the women of this strip, I found that the frequency of the female characters was MUCH HIGHER than of the male ones and thus divided them accordingly. Because it was of a virtually duplicate nature to that strip, I based my strategy on what I saw on the FoxTrot page. by dividing characters into specific groups. <small>&mdash;''the preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment is by'' [[User:Messy Thinking|Messy Thinking]] ([[User talk:Messy Thinking|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Messy Thinking|contribs]]) 21:05, December 25, 2005 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned2-->

== Stone Soup comic strip supplemental ==

Based on my time here, pretty much all of Wiki has become arbitrary (and don't even ask about long-term neutrality). It took me a long time to find that page; I wound up creating a duplicate without any knowledge of its existence ([[Stone Soup (comic)]]! <small>&mdash;''the preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment is by'' [[User:Messy Thinking|Messy Thinking]] ([[User talk:Messy Thinking|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Messy Thinking|contribs]]) 23:28, December 25, 2005 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned2-->

[[User:Messy Thinking|Messy Thinking]] 23:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Got it.

==Eddie==

Yeah. Eddie's, well... Eddie. NSLE's kind of having issues now, so i'm talking to him, but i've found the best way to deal with him is to just put it into perspective. Unlike the billion trolls I seem to be taking on lately, I don't think there's any doubt that Eddie's acting in good faith, albeit in a kind of clueless newbie way. [[User:Karmafist|karmafist]] 02:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

:I decided to refrain from editing since last night. The previous edits with the RfA page was taken care of, but I'm still concerned about those accusations. I don't harass people and I certainly didn't mean to do it to [[User:NSLE|NSLE]] (I know too well the rule: mess with a Sysop and get blocked, especially now the He/She is promoted), but I haven't posted a single comment on His talk page since [[Christmas]]. Where do we draw the line between mentioning this user and bothering Him/Her? -- [[User:EddieSegoura|Eddie]] 01:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

==For Bunch==

[[Image:Musicalnotes.png]] ''And so <b><font color="green">h</font><font color="red">a</font><font color="green">p</font><font color="red">p</font><font color="green">y</font> <font color="red">C</font><font color="green">h</font><font color="red">r</font><font color="green">i</font><font color="red">s</font><font color="green">t</font><font color="red">m</font><font color="green">a</font><font color="red">s</font></B>''... Best wishes from [[User:Hydnjo|Heidi and Joe]]

== Blocks ==

Hi, Grapes. :)

Heaven knows I've tried to reason with some of these new users. Some are apparently hell-bent on getting their yuks rather than contributing in a positive manner. The problem is an offshoot of the fact that no anon accounts can edit. So, how to disrupt a wiki? Create a bogus account. I've left welcoming and "test1" templates on a lot of these accounts and the users go away, never to be heard from again. I truly believe in not biting newbies. In fact, I go out of my way to help folks who obviously need help. Others, as I said, are here to get their yuks despite being asked not to play around. The whole thing is becoming a real burden, I have to admit. - [[User:Lucky 6.9|Lucky 6.9]] 04:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

:Maybe they're experimenting, but if You truly believe all these account are the same person, request a checkuser on the accounts and notify the IP address when it's discovered. -- [[User:EddieSegoura|Eddie]] 04:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

==sour grapes==

There are no up to date scientific sources for Bigfoot research.

Newsletters are all there is. You want to lean on old, out of date books, by people

who never saw a Bigfoot? Or shall we quote tabloids?

Get real.

beckjord[[User:Beckjord|Beckjord]] 06:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== Deleted page history ==

I'm surprised to learn that regular users can no longer see a page's deletion history. I'll try to find out, but I seriously don't know why regular users lost this privledge. If and until it's restored, their will be no way to see who deleted a certain page and why, which might lead to such pages being recreated by unsuspecting users. It's a real shame. -- [[User:EddieSegoura|Eddie]] 06:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

:It should be a temporary situation, while the developers work on giving admins better way of cleaning up old histories - and especially old edit summaries. The problem was, vandals were putting slander and other unpleasant material into their edit summaries, and even deleting the pages wouldn't hide that. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 16:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== RfA ==

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Thank you for your support in my [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/BorgQueen|request for adminship]]. I was promoted with a final tally of 31/1/1. Don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything I can assist. Latkes have been successfully assimilated too! --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] 21:46, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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== Abusive User Named 'Parys' ==

The Mandy Moore page that you contributed to has information on it

contributed by a very abusive Wikipedia user named 'Parys'.

Parys has been deliberately putting up false info about Mandy's

forthcoming album that he know is wrong here and on Mandy's

official message board where the 'Mandy esxperts' realized he

was lying.

So far, 2 of the Wikipedia pages he created or contributed heavily

to have been deleted by administrators. Yet, he somehow has gotten

them to be revived again using some sort of trick that may have

involved 'merging' ( i am not very familiar with Wikipedia

terminology).

Parys also got an administrator to ban the ip address of the

main branch of the Los Angeles Public Library that has around

100 computers that have internet access. There are 1000s of people

who use these computers and they will no longer be able

to edit Wikipedia pages as a result of this action. I beleive,

but am not positive about this, that he may have already, or will

soon, also ban the ip address of the UCLA library computers,

which will also prevent 1000s of people from editing Wikipedia pages.

Parys is also the author of a book that is pornography about

teenagers called 'High School Whore'. I mentioned this just

so you can get a glimpse of the sort of personality he has.

He has also threatened several wikipedia users on his talk page

and has threatened people on Mandy's official message board.

If you need further links or proof of how the information he

is putting up is wrong, you can send a message to the wikipedia

username i recently created 'quirkywiki'.

The misinformation that Parys is putting up about Mandy's

forthcoming album could cause her to lose album sales, and

to lose money as a result of that. Mandy has strong legal

grounds for suing Parys for harassment, and since you are also

now contributing to this deliberate misinformation, she could

also sue you. So, please stop, for your own legal protection.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that

Parys tricked you into helping him by lying, the way that he has tricked others.

{{unsigned2|21:59, December 28, 2005|206.170.104.27}}

Keep in mind... I have yet to be banned...AND i dont vadalize pages... But I am an awful person.

[[User:Parys|Parys]]

:Certainly the potential for an explosive lawsuit for saying "Mandy Moore's next album will be named Foobar", when it isn't, seems low. That said, if there aren't good sources for the information, get rid of it! &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 00:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Here is a first draft of some of the information that i will

be submitting to multiple administrators:

Parys Blocked 1000s of Library Users From Wikipedia

Parys managed to get blocked the main ip address of the 100 or so computers at the main branch of the Los Angeles Public Library. There are regularly 1000s of people who rely on these computers for internet access and now none of them can edit Wikipedia pages anymore. Several days ago i made Parys very aware of what he did, and yet he has taken no steps to contact the administrator who did the blocking in order to get the block removed.

Since i had previously edited his incorrect information from a computer in the UCLA library, i think that it is quite possible that he also blocked the ip address of the many computers in the UCLA library which, again, will prevent 1000s of people from using Wikipedia on those computers. It is possible that he also got blocked several other ip addresses that were used to correct the incorrect information on his pages. Would somebody please let me know how to get these ip addresses unblocked so that these 1000s of people can start using Wikipedia again. I feel that Parys, himself, should be permanently blocked as a result of his very malicious behavior.

Also, Parys' original 'Once Moore' had gotten deleted by an administrator after a period of discussion in which everyone, except for Parys, beleived that the information was incorrect. Yet, Parys somehow has managed to get the page started up again, i beleive he may have used some Wikipedia technique called 'merging' to do this.

Parys has also made threatening remarks on Mandy Moore's message board.

He has already proven himself to be a liar by claiming he heard the Hey! song on the radio. People on Mandy's board proved him wrong about that.

Also, here is absolute proof that Hey! will NOT be on Mandy's forthcoming album:

Mandy has repeatedly said that she has either written, or co-written, every single song on her forthcoming album. She has also said, on her official message board, that James Randle, who also her wrote her 'Cry' single, was the sole writer of Hey!. Therefore, using simple logic, it is plain to see that Hey! will not be on her forthcoming album, and that it will, therefore, not be released as a single. Mandy actually put the demo of Hey!, which she described as being a 'crappy demo' on her website as a freebie for her fans. Parys keeps saying on Wikipedia that the song was removed for 'legal reasons', yet Mandy never revealed the reason why the song was removed after being on her web site for around a year and a half.

Parys has also proven himself to be a liar when he claimed he was told, by the people at UCLA, that they were going to have me expelled for editing his Wikipedia pages. The people at UCLA know that the computers in the UCLA library, that were used to edit Parys' pages, do NOT have to be logged into. So, how could they possibly expel someone when they do not even know who it was that did it?

Parys has, repeatedly, done malicious things to make people waste their time and energy. He also may have cost Mandy a loss in income by informing people that a song (Hey!) that she considers to be merely a 'crappy demo' was actually going to be the single from her next album. People who do not like the song may get the impression that the rest of the upcoming album may also be 'crappy' and not buy it as a result. As a result of this false information that Parys keeps putting out, despite the fact that he knows fully well that it is erroneous, Mandy has good cause for suing Parys, and the other people who keep putting up this flase information on Wikipedia, for harassment. I am hoping that this can get settled by administrators of Wikipedia putting a permanent end to this, Parys seems to enjoy the 'cat and mouse' game of restoring his pages every day after they have been edited.

If the action i just proposed is not sufficient to stop Parys, and those that are helping him, then it will be necessary to inform Mandy's managers and law firm and they may advise Mandy that it would be a good idea to sue Parys and the others who are restoring his pages. While Mandy may have a 'sweet and wholesome' public image, i can guarantee you that her manager and her lawyers do not, and they will not have any qualms about litigating, especially if it helps them earn more money.

So, i hope that everybody who is helping Parys is aware that they could, in the future, be subject to a lawsuit by Mandy if they continue in their actions, especially now that they have been fully informed that they are contributing to erroneous information that could have a negative impact on the sales of Mandy's next album.

I will be reporting Parys to multiple adminstrators until he finally stops what he is doing.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Parys"

==not vandal==

keep in mind.

Just posting the truth. deleting gross errors.

Bigfoot.

beckjord[[User:Beckjord|Beckjord]] 07:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

== No vandalism ==

on Bigfoot page.

just editing out very,very gross errors and outright lies.

Wanna help?

beckjord[[User:Beckjord|Beckjord]] 07:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Are you able to access [[WP:IRC|IRC]]? I'd like to talk. <font color="darkred">[[User:NSLE|NSLE]]</font> _{(<font color="teal">[[User_talk:NSLE|T]]</font>+<font color="darkblue">[[Special:Contributions/NSLE|C]]</font>+[[WP:CVU|<font color="grey">CVU</font>]])} 04:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

:Email is fine, or you could go to http://www.mirc.org/ and download 6.16, and type in chat.freenode.net as your server, then /join #wikipedia, let me know your choice. <font color="darkred">[[User:NSLE|NSLE]]</font> _{(<font color="teal">[[User_talk:NSLE|T]]</font>+<font color="darkblue">[[Special:Contributions/NSLE|C]]</font>+[[WP:CVU|<font color="grey">CVU</font>]])} 04:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

==Why does...==

Why does User:Dreamguy say that 4 links are in violation of [[WP:NOR]],[[WP:V]],[[WP:NPOV]],

the SAME links you have approved for use youself, and left a offensive comment on the Bigfoot

discussion page. I am ''really'' beginning to actually believe that User:Beckjord ''is'' right about this guy. See [[Skeptic]]. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 04:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I am '''NOT''' trying to prove, nor disprove the creature's existance, just stating what people will do when this thing appears before them, no more, no less. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 04:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

NOT ''incoherent'',was taught to be neutral and give the other guy a chance, no more, no less. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 05:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

:I do find you very difficult to understand. You don't plainly express what you mean. It makes it hard to communicate with you. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 05:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I was taught to be polite. And I was raised as a military brat(jargon for a soldiers' kid).

My dad was in the military, as were some uncles, and my Granddad was also in the military, some of my other kin were in the "alphabet agencies", thus I was also taught to be extremely secretive, thus I don't even give out ''my'' contact info. at all. Some were even Fugitive Recovery agents, thus explains further my secretiveness. Been told that civilians would not understand this at all, by my kinfolk. Some are ''still'' in law enforcement, and I also have contacts in law enforcement.

I have seen things that are really hard to explain as well.

I am here to contribute to this fine format, '''NOT''' trying to prove the existance of a cryptid, nor trying to disprove its existence either.

==Peace ?==

Can you load a image of a dove holding a olive branch on to User:Dreamguy's Talk page, along with this message ?

To User:Dreamguy,

I wish I could've met you before I had met User:Beckjord. My intent is to contribute to this fine encyclopedia, NOT trying to prove, nor disproving the existance of a cryptid. Thus is the reason I had placed the 4 links on the Bigfoot discussion page, not on the article itself, so that they can be examined before placement. Since you are more experienced in these matters, I am looking foward to working with you. This may sound offensive,etc. to some, so I'm initiating a early apology for this: How will User:Beckjord react when he sees the two of us working together ?

I have Google Searched everything on Bigfoot to keep it [[WP:NPOV]] and [[NOR]] and [[WP:V]].

That is how I found out about people who will shoot at this thing(Until WE know what it is),

some New Age sites about Bigfoot, some religious sites say it is a demon. Its amazing what you find when you do a google Search on Bigfoot.

One other thing, when I have stated the ''facts'' as to what this "thing" is, someone makes a mess of them. I'll restate them.

Again, am looking foward to working with you, and my intent is to contribute on Wikipedia, '''NOT''' prove that a cryptid exists, nor to prove it does not either.

If I get a bad link, let me know. I'll place future links on the Discussion page until they're examined persuant to Wikipedia protocol.

One other thing, I do ''NOT'' let ''my'' paranormal experiences cloud anything at all.

Will you work with me ? I do need your help. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 06:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

==Military==

Since the military owns a lot of land, would it be OK to ask about military related encounters on the Bigfoot discussion page ? [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 07:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

==Alert==

Something is going on with the bigfoot article. Maybe the first signs of a Edit War.

==Let these records show==

Let these records show that I am actually seeking User:Dreamguy's help and assisstance. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]]