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'''American football''', known in the [[United States]] and [[Canada]] simply as '''football'''<ref>In North America, the term "football" may refer to either American football or to the similar sport of [[Canadian football]], the meaning usually being clear from the context. This article describes the American variant.</ref> (or sometimes as '''gridiron''' or '''[[gridiron football]]'''), is a competitive [[team sport]] known for its physical roughness despite being a highly strategic game. The object of the game is to score points by advancing the [[prolate spheroid]] ball into the opposing team's [[end zone]]. The ball can be advanced by carrying it (a running play) or by throwing it to a teammate (a passing play). Points can be scored in a variety of ways, including carrying the ball over the goal line, throwing the ball to another player past the goal line or [[placekicker|kicking]] it through the goal posts on the opposing side. The winner is the team with the most points when the time expires and the last play ends.
* [[User talk:Alensha/Archive01]] (March 1, 2004–July 25, 2006)
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Outside the United States and Canada, the sport is referred to as '''American football''', or called by the word which translated "American football" into a language of those countries to differentiate it from other [[football]] games.
==Signpost==
For example, if it is the Spanish bloc, it is called '''fútbol americano'''.
Could you help me please in translating?
In [[Japan]], this game was called '''米式蹴球'''（meaning of ''American rules football''）, '''鎧球''' (''ga-i=kyu-u'', meaning of ''Armor ball''), or '''American [[Rugby]]''' in old days.
For example, I'd like to say:" In addition, in the Hungarian Wikipedia, the community votes for the article to be published on the main page." -- is it good? [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] [[Image:Edu science.png|16px]]<sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 16:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Now, it is called "'''American football'''" by pronunciation as it is, or omitted to Japanese style and called '''アメフト''', '''アメフット'''（''ame-futo'', ''ame-foot''）.
In [[China]], it is called '''美式足球'''（''American rules football''） or '''美式橄欖球'''（''American rules rugby''）.
:That's what I wanted. :) Thanks. [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] [[Image:Edu science.png|16px]]<sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 17:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
==Popularity==
Would you be so kind as to help me? Still [[User:NCurse/Signpost]]. Please make a copy-edit, then make In the media section into prose. To be honest, I'm a science-oholic, so I can read scientific articles without any problem, but I'm in trouble when I have to translate properly common sections. :) I really like Miskolc... [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] [[Image:Edu science.png|16px]]<sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 16:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:College Football CSU AF.jpg|thumb|right|A [[Colorado State University]] the ball as an [[United States Air Force Academy|Air Force Academy]] player lines up a tackle.]]
The [[Gallup Poll]] has shown football to be America's favorite sport every year since 1972, when football first overtook [[baseball]] in popularity. The percentage of Americans who say football is their favorite sport to watch (43%) is higher now than at any other time. Football's American TV viewership ratings far surpass those of other sports.<ref>National Football League, "NFL:America's Choice," January 2007, http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Documents/NFL_all_about_SB_1-07.pdf</ref> The day of the [[National Football League]] championship, the [[Super Bowl]], is one of the biggest occasions for social gatherings in the U.S. and is sometimes referred to as an unofficial national holiday.<ref>National Football League, "Super Bowl Notes, Quotes and Anecdotes, http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Documents/NFL_1-07_super_bowl_quotes_and_notes.pdf</ref>
The 32-team [[National Football League]] (NFL) is the only [[major professional sports league|major]] professional American football [[Sports league|league]].
You're a nice, aggressive girl, Alensha :D (and I see, you are proud of Flood in Miskolc, 1878 :P) – [[User:Kdano|Kdano]] 19:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[[College football]] is also popular throughout North America. Four college football stadiums, [[The University of Michigan]]'s [[Michigan Stadium]], [[Penn State]]'s [[Beaver Stadium]], The [[University of Tennessee]]'s [[Neyland Stadium]] and [[Ohio State]]'s [[Ohio Stadium]], seat more than 100,000 fans and almost always sell out. Even [[high school football]] games can attract more than 10,000 people in some areas. The weekly autumn ritual of college and high-school football—which includes [[marching band]]s, [[cheerleading|cheerleaders]], [[homecoming]], and parties (including the ubiquitous [[tailgate party]])—is an important part of the culture in much of [[small-town|smalltown America]]. Football is generally the major source of revenue to the athletic programs of schools, public and private, in the United States. Some private Christian High Schools even play for 'national championships' with groups like the [[Federated Christian Athletic Association]] (FCAA).
:It was just a sketch:
* media coverage should be in prose, so we should tell people about these articles.
* images were randomly choosen, I want to show nice and informative pictures, I just added these to have an example how it will look like...
* I'll add hun portal.
* "we could also write something about the growth of our encyclopedia", just go on, we'll include it. :)
Thanks for help. [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] [[Image:Edu science.png|16px]]<sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 22:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It is a long-standing tradition in the United States (though not universally observed) that high school football games are played on Friday night, college games on Saturday, and professional games on Sunday, with one NFL game played on Monday night. In recent years, however, nationally televised Thursday night college games have become a weekly fixture on [[ESPN]].
== LGT ==
Certain fall and winter [[holiday]]s—most notably [[Thanksgiving (United States)|Thanksgiving]] and [[New Years' Day]]—have traditional football games associated with them.
Hi there: I am sorry that my placing a notability tag on this article upset you, and am also sorry to take so long to reply; I have been away.
The tag does not mean that the article is bad, it just means that you need to explain why the subject deserves an encyclopedia article. Usually this means that you have to expand the article, which you have now done, and I see that the tag has gone. You, as an editor, have the right to remove tags of this type, although it is expected that in doing so you will address the problem - which of course in this case you have done. Friends?--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 07:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Football is played recreationally by amateur clubs and youth teams (e.g., the [[Pop Warner Little Scholars|Pop Warner]] little-league programs). There are also many "semi-pro" teams in leagues where the players are paid to play but at a small enough salary that they generally must also hold a full-time job.
== Križevci (former county) move proposal ==
Organized football is played almost exclusively by men and boys, although a few amateur and [[women's American football|semi-professional women's leagues]] have begun play in recent years.
You might want to discuss move proposals of Hungarian counties at [[Talk:Križevci (former county)]]. - <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">[[User talk:AjaxSmack|<font style="color:#fef;background:navy;">''' AjaxSmack '''</font>]]</span> 18:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
===Outside the United States===
== Géza Lakatos, Miskolc, etc ==
The NFL operated a developmental league, [[NFL Europa]]<!--note 2006 name change from NFL Europe-->, with teams in five German cities and one in the Netherlands, but this league folded following the 2007 season. The professional [[Canadian Football League]] and collegiate [[Canadian Interuniversity Sport]] play under [[Canadian football|Canadian rules]]. The sport is popular as an amateur activity in [[Mexico]] and [[American Samoa]] and to a lesser extent in [[Japan]], [[Europe]], [[Korea]], [[The Bahamas]], [[Chile]], [[Brazil]], [[Uruguay]], [[Argentina]], [[Australia]] ([[Gridiron Australia]]) and [[Israel]].{{Fact|date=June 2007}} The [[International Federation of American Football]] is the governing body for American football with 45 member associations from North and South America, Europe, Asia and Oceania. The IFAF also oversees the [[American Football World Cup]], which is held every four years. Japan has won the first two World Cups, held in 1999 and 2003.
Despite this, the game has been slow to catch on in most countries. Chief among criticisms of American football is the amount of time elapsing between plays, the number of interruptions in the game for timeouts and penalties, as well as the complexity of the rules. {{Fact|date=June 2007}}
Hi, on 12 November 2005, you edited [[Géza Lakatos]] article and inserted " [[Adelaide]], [[My 24]], [[1967]] " for place and date of his death. I wonder if you could check your source and confirm. I have a different place and date (Sydney, May 21, 1967) Ref. Kursietis, Andris J. ''The Hungarian Army and its Military Leadership in World War II''.<p>
==Rules==
On a separate note - Do you have any information or sources on Miskolc's history during the 1956 uprising and the role played by the army ''vis a vis'' the AVO. (I understand that the military barracks were across the road from AVO headquarters.) I am researching various aspects of Hungarian military history and am anxious to get my facts right.<br>Thanks, [[User:Bardwell|Bardwell]] 12:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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The object of American football is to score more points than the opposing team within the time limit.
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===Field and players===
==Vitkovics==
[[Image:AmFBfield.svg|thumb|right|The numbers on the field indicate the number of [[yard]]s to the nearest end zone.]]
[[Image:11-11-06-LA-Coliseum-USC-UO.jpg|thumb|left|[[University of Southern California]] football games at [[Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum]] attract more than 90,000 fans.]] American football is played on a rectangular field {{convert|120|yd|m|1|lk=on}} long by {{convert|160|ft|m|1}} wide. The longer boundary lines are ''sidelines'', while the shorter boundary lines are ''end lines''. Near each end of the field is a ''goal line''; they are {{convert|100|yd|m|1|lk=on}} apart. A scoring area called an ''[[end zone]]'' extends {{convert|10|yd|m|1}} beyond each goal line to each end line.
Szia, nem tudnád feltölteni esetleg a magyar wikiről az angolra azt a képet, ami a Vitkovics Mihály szócikket illusztrálja? Én nem nagyon értek hozzá, meg nem is vagyok regisztrálva a magyaron, úgyhogy le se tudom tölteni magamnak. Azért kellene, mert Panonian írt egy szócikket a magyarországi szerbekről és Petőfit rakta be illusztrációnak. Sikerült meggyőznöm róla, hogy ez így kicsit gáz, és elfogadná Petőfi helyett a Vitkovics képet. Ha van egy kis időd a dologra előre is köszi. [[User:Zello|Zello]] 18:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
''Yard lines'' cross the field every 5 yards, and are numbered from each goal line to the 50-yard line, or midfield (similar to a typical [[rugby league]] field). Two rows of lines, known as inbounds lines or ''hash marks'', parallel the side lines near the middle of the field. All plays start with the ball on or between the hash marks.
== Košice again ==
At the back of each end zone are two ''[[goalpost|goal posts]]'' (also called ''uprights'') that are {{convert|18.5|ft|m|1}} apart ({{convert|24|ft|m|1}} in [[high school football|high school]]). The posts are connected by a crossbar {{convert|10|ft|cm|0}} from the ground.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJuro&diff=75778594&oldid=75275509] I'd fixed this. Juro looks as chased out by trolls. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 12:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Each team has 11 players on the field at a time. However, teams may substitute for any or all of their players, if time allows, during the break between plays. As a result, players have very specialized roles, and almost all of the 46 active players on an NFL team will play in any given game. Thus, teams are divided into three separate units: the [[offensive team|offense]], the [[defensive team|defense]] and the [[special teams]].
== 1956 revolution ==
===Game duration===
Szia Alensha,
A standard football game consists of four 15-minute (typically 12 minutes in high-school football) quarters, with a [[half-time]] intermission after the second quarter. The clock stops after certain plays; therefore, a game can last considerably longer (often more than three hours in real time). If an NFL game is tied after four quarters, the teams play an additional period lasting up to 15 minutes. In an NFL overtime game, the first team that scores wins, even if the other team does not get a possession; this is referred to as [[sudden death (sport)|sudden death]]. In a regular-season NFL game, if neither team scores in overtime, the game is a tie. In an NFL playoff game, additional overtime periods are played, as needed, to determine a winner. College overtime rules are more complicated and are described in [[Overtime (sport)]].
the 1956 Hungarian revolution is on the Article Creation and Improvement Drive (shortcut: WP:AID) in the hopes that we can get it all cleaned up nice and ready to be the featured article on Oct. 23, the 50th anniversary of the uprising! The thing is, it needs votes. (This whole campaign was actually [[user:Istvan]]'s idea but I'm helping him out.) I'm just randomly typing messages to various Hungarian Wikipedians encouraging them to go vote. Would you please help up out? Hajrá Magyarország! ;)
[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 00:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
===Advancing the ball===
Thank you Alensha and Lastochka, I caught your post re: the Hungarian aricle - I wouldnt say its without merit, there are quite a few valuable but disjointed facts listed which could be brought over to the English site - perhaps doing this first, before backtranslating the En:article would at least allow you to say it actually had the Hungarian input first. BTW, Im happy this has your attention. [[User:Istvan|Istvan]] 13:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Football cross.jpg|thumb|left|A line of [[scrimmage]]]]
Advancing the ball in American football resembles the ''six-tackle rule'' and the ''play-the-ball'' in [[rugby league]]. The team that takes possession of the ball (the '''offense''') has four attempts, called '''[[Down (football)|downs]]''', to advance the ball 10 yards towards their opponent's (the '''defense'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s) end zone. When the offense gains 10 yards, it gets a '''first down''', which means the team has another set of four downs to gain yet another 10 yards or score with. If the offense fails to gain a first down (10 yards) after 4 downs, possession of the ball is given to the opposing team.
Except at the beginning of halves and after scores, the ball is always put into play by a '''[[Snap (American football)|snap]]'''. Offensive players line up facing defensive players at the [[line of scrimmage]] (the position on the field where the play begins). One offensive player, the [[Center (football)|center]], then passes (or "snaps") the ball between his legs to a teammate, usually the [[quarterback]].
Szívesen! I love barnstars....thinking of creating an even more prestigious Hungarian one for when the article gets FA and we can all bask in our own glory. :) Love, Lastocska [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 16:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:2006 UT fall scrimmage Snead.JPG|thumb|right|A [[quarterback]] searching for opportunity to throw a pass]]
== Archduchess Walburga + sisters ==
[[Image:2006 Pro Bowl tackle.jpg|thumb|A [[running back]] being tackled when he tries to run with the ball]]
Players can then advance the ball in two ways:
#By running with the ball, also known as '''[[Rush (football)|rushing]]'''. One ball-carrier can hand the ball to another player or throw backwards to another player. These are known as as a '''handoff''' and '''[[Lateral pass|lateral]]''' respectively.
#By throwing the ball to a teammate, known as a [[forward pass]] or as '''passing''' the football. The forward pass is a key factor distinguishing American and Canadian football from other football sports. The offense can throw the ball forward only once on a play, only from behind the line of scrimmage and only before crossing the line of scrimmage. The ball can be thrown, pitched, or tossed sideways or backwards at any time.
A down ends, and the ball becomes dead, after any of the following:
I basically moved these articles because they were located at NN, Archduchess of Austria, which isn't the right title for princesses. I think it's actually used for grand dukes and some kings, ie, [[Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse]], and not used to title princesses or archduchesses. [[User:Morhange|Morhange]] 03:56, 20 September 2006
* The player with the ball is forced to the ground (tackled) or has his forward progress halted by members of the other team (as determined by an [[Official (American football)|official]]).
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* A forward pass flies out of bounds or touches the ground before it is caught. This is known as an '''[[incomplete pass]]'''. The ball is returned to the most recent line of scrimmage for the next down.
* The ball or the player with the ball goes beyond the dimensions of the field ('''out of bounds''').
* A team scores.
Officials blow a whistle to notify players that the down is over.
Before each down, each team chooses a '''play''', or coordinated movements and actions, that the players should follow on a down. Sometimes, downs themselves are referred to as "plays."
==September 2006 Riots==
Hello Alensha, Your report of ''Szonda Ipsos'' poll forecasts for the upcoming local elections are very interesting.
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+ * In towns having less than 10,000 inhabitants: Fidesz 38%, MSZP 19%
+ * In larger towns: Fidesz 30%, MSZP 26%
+ * In cities with county rights: Fidesz 35%, MSZP 19%
+ * In the capital: Fidesz 27%, MSZP 27%.
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+ (Source: MTI Report, September 22, 2006.<ref>http://mti.hu/valasztas/cikk/161590/</ref>)
===Change of possession===
These figures confirm the impression I formed on a visit to Hungary earlier this year that there is a significant divide, in many respects, between the capital (Budapest) and rest of Hungary. Do you have any information / statistics / etc., or your own views, why MSZP is running neck and neck with Fidesz in the capital, but trailing significantly in the rest of the country? In what way does the electoral demography of the capital differ from the rest of Hungary?<br>
The offense maintains possession of the ball unless one of the following things do happen:
On a different note - your excellent reports on what’s going on there might not be reaching their target audience cose wiki page "2006 protests in Hungary" is not integrated into any of the 'mainstream' Hungary pages, where one would naturally look for info. I came across your reports by chance. <br>Regards (and take care!), [[User:Bardwell|Bardwell]] 23:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
* The team fails to get a first down— i.e., in four downs they fail to move the ball past a line 10 yards ahead of where they got their last first down (it is possible to be downed behind the current line of scrimmage, "losing yardage"). The defensive team takes over the ball at the spot where the 4th-down play ends. A change of possession in this manner is commonly called a '''turnover on downs'''.
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* The offense scores a touchdown or field goal. The team that scored then kicks the ball to the other team in a special play called a '''[[Kickoff (American football)|kickoff]]'''.
Many thanks! BTW - are you aware of wikinews? See:
* The offense punts the ball to the defense. A '''[[punt (football)|punt]]''' is a kick in which a player drops the ball and kicks it before it hits the ground. Punts are [[Quick kick|nearly always]] made on fourth down, when the offensive team does not want to risk giving up the ball to the other team at its current spot on the field (through a failed attempt to make a first down) and feels it is too far from the other team's goal posts to attempt a field goal.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page. Your on-the-spot reporting would fit there v. nicely, I think, and would get greater exposure. [[User:Bardwell|Bardwell]] 12:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
* A defensive player catches a forward pass. This is called an '''[[interception]]''', and the player who makes the interception can run with the ball until he is tackled, forced out of bounds, or scores.
* An offensive player drops the ball (a '''[[fumble]]''') and a defensive player picks it up. As with interceptions, a player "recovering" a fumble can run with the ball until tackled or forced out of bounds. Lateral passes that are not caught or caught by a defensive player are considered fumbles. Lost fumbles and interceptions are together known as '''turnovers'''.
* The offensive team misses a field goal attempt. The defensive team gets the ball at the spot where the previous play began (or, in the NFL, at the spot of the kick). If the unsuccessful kick was attempted from within 20 yards of the end zone, the other team gets the ball at its own 20-yard line (that is, 20 yards from the end zone).
* In his own end zone, an offensive ballcarrier is tackled, forced out of bounds or loses the ball out of bounds, or the offense commits certain penalties. This fairly rare occurrence is called a '''[[Safety (football score)|safety]]'''.
* An offensive ballcarrier fumbles the ball forward into the end zone, and then the ball goes out of bounds. This extremely rare occurrence leads to a '''touchback''', with the ball going over to the opposing team at their 20 yard line. (Note that touchbacks during non-offensive special teams plays, such as punts and kickoffs, are quite common)
==DYK=Scoring===
A team scores points by the following plays:
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* A '''[[touchdown]]''' (TD) is worth 6 points. It is scored when a player runs the ball into or catches a pass in his opponent's end zone. A touchdown is analogous to a [[try]] in rugby with the major difference being that a try requires the player to place the ball on the ground.
== Segíts kérlek! ==
** After a touchdown, the scoring team attempts a '''conversion''' (which is also analogous to the [[Try#Conversion|conversion in rugby]]). The ball is placed at the other team's 3-yard line (the 2-yard line in the NFL). The team can attempt to kick it over the crossbar and through the goal posts in the manner of a field goal for 1 point (an '''[[extra point]]''' or '''point after touchdown (PAT)'''), or run or pass it into the end zone in the manner of a touchdown for 2 points (a '''[[two-point conversion]]'''). In college football, if the defense intercepts or recovers a fumble during a two point conversion attempt and returns it to the opposing end zone, the defensive team is awarded the two points.
* A '''[[Field goal (gridiron football)|field goal]]''' (FG) is worth 3 points, and it is scored by kicking the ball over the crossbar and through the goal posts. Field goals may be placekicked (kicked when the ball is held vertically against the ground by a teammate) or [[drop kick|drop-kicked]] (extremely uncommon in the modern game, with only two successes in the last 60 years). A field goal is usually attempted on fourth down instead of a punt when the ball is close to the opponent's goal line, or, when there is little or no time left to otherwise score.
* A '''[[Safety (football score)|safety]]''' is worth 2 points. A safety is scored by the ''defense'' when the offensive player in possession of the ball is forced back into his own end zone and is tackled there, fumbles the ball out of his end zone or has a kick blocked out of his end zone, or the offense commits certain penalties in his end zone.
===Kickoffs and free kicks===
Üdv! A segítségedre lenne szükségem. Írtam egy cikket a Délvidéki vérengzédekről, de PANNONIAN minduntalan kiforgatja és a cikk már-már arról szól, hogy a magyarok mind szemét nácik akik a szerbeket gyilkolták. Hol ott arról írok, hogy a jugoszláv partizánok 40000 ártatlan magyar embert mészároltak le. Kérlek segíts megmenteni a szócikket, és ne hagyd, hogy az ártatlan áldozatok nevét bemocskolják.
Each half begins with a [[Kickoff (American football)|kickoff]]. Teams also kick off after scoring touchdowns and field goals. The ball is kicked using a kicking tee from the team's own 30-yard line in the NFL or from the 35-yard line in college football.The other team's kick returner tries to catch the ball and advance it as far as possible. Where he is stopped is the point where the offense will begin its '''drive''', or series of offensive plays. If the kick returner catches the ball in his own end zone, he can either run with the ball, or elect for a '''[[touchback]]''' by kneeling in the end zone, in which case the receiving team then starts its offensive drive from its own 20-yard line. A [[touchback]] also occurs when the kick goes out-of-bounds in the end zone. A kickoff that goes out-of-bounds anywhere other than the end zone before being touched by the receiving team results in a penalty. Unlike with punts, once a kickoff goes 10 yards, it can be recovered by the kicking team. A team, especially one who is losing, can try to take advantage of this by attempting an [[Onside kick]]. Punts and turnovers in the end zone can also end in a [[touchback]].
A link: [[1944-1945 Killings in Bačka]]
[[User:HunTheGoaT|HunTheGoaT]] 18:57, 29 September 2006 (CEST)
After safeties, the team that gave up the 2 points puts the ball into play with a punt or placekick from its own 20-yard line.
== My RfA ==
[[Image:AmericanFootballTraining.jpg|thumb|right|A halfback leads fellow backs through an agility drill at the Air Force Academy]]
Thanks for the vote and mostly the note. I promise I'll help you with even the Miskolc-related articles. :) [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 14:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
===Penalties===
:) – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1; text-decoration: none">Alensha</span>]] [[image:Fiore 01.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1; text-decoration: none"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 15:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Rule violations are punished with '''penalties''' against the offending team. Most penalties result in moving the football towards the offending team's end zone. If the penalty would move the ball more than half the distance to the defense's end zone, the penalty becomes half the distance to the goal instead of its normal value.
Most penalties result in replaying the down. Some defensive penalties give the offense an automatic first down. Conversely, some offensive penalties result in the automatic loss of a down. If a penalty gives the offensive team enough yardage to gain a first down, they get a first down, as usual.
:Fixed. Nemcsak, h nem haragszom, de egyenesen megkérlek, hogy máskor javíts bele nyugodtan. Én amolyan gyakorlati angolt beszélek. :) [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 13:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
If a penalty occurs during a play, an official throws a yellow flag near the spot of the foul. When the play ends, the team that did not commit the penalty has the option of accepting the penalty, or declining the penalty and accepting the result of the play.
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signature test – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[image:Fiore 01.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 21:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
A few of the most-common penalties include:
== Re: 2006 protests and elections ==
* '''False start:''' An offensive player illegally moves after lining up for the snap. The play is dead immediately.
I'd be glad to help, but I can't promise anything. I only have a few minutes of Wiki time at a stretch and I'd rather fix the HuWiki articles when I have more time. You know, to practice the language. ;)
* '''[[Offside_(football)|Offsides]]:''' A defensive player is on the wrong side of the ball at the start of a play. If play has started, the penalty is delayed pending the outcome of the play.
* '''Holding:''' Illegally grasping or pulling an opponent other than the ball-carrier.
* '''[[Pass interference]]:''' Illegally contacting an opponent to prevent him from catching a forward pass.
* '''Delay of game:''' Failing to begin a new play after a certain time from the end of the last one.
* '''Illegal block in the back:''' An offensive player pushing a defensive player in the back.
* '''Face mask:''' Grasping or touching the face mask of another player while attempting to block or tackle him.
* '''Clipping''': A blocker hitting an opposing defender from below the waist.
===Variations===
-- [[User:Nyenyec|nyenyec]] [[User talk:Nyenyec|☎]] 03:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Variations on these basic rules exist, particularly [[Touch football (American)|touch]] and [[flag football]], which are designed as non-contact or limited-contact alternatives to the relative violence of regular American football. In touch and flag football, tackling is not permitted. Offensive players are "tackled" when a defender tags them or removes a flag from their body, respectively. Both of these varieties are played mainly in informal settings such as [[Intramural sports|intramural]] or youth games. Another variation is "wrap", where a player is "tackled" when another player wraps his arms around the ball carrier. Professional, intercollegiate, and varsity-level high school football invariably use the standard tackling rules.
Another variation is with the number of players on the field. In sparsely populated areas, it is not uncommon to find high school football teams playing [[nine-man football]], [[eight-man football]] or [[six-man football]]. Players often play on offense as well as defense. The [[Arena Football League]] is a league that plays eight-man football, but also plays indoors and on a much smaller playing surface.
== Hungary portal ==
==Players==
Jó napot Alensha!
{{Main|American football positions}}
I do indeed love Hungary--basically I'm Hungarian like Liszt Ferenc was: hardly any actual ethnic Magyar blood, but patriotic Hungarian to the core. :)
[[Image:American football positions.svg|frame|right|This diagram shows typical offensive and defensive formations. The offense (blue) consists of the quarterback (QB), fullback (FB), tailback (TB), wide receivers (WR) and offensive linemen (C, OG, OT). The defense (red) consists of the defensive line (DL, DE), linebackers (LBs), cornerbacks (CB), strong safety (SS) and free safety (FS). Because teams can change any or all of the players between plays, the number of players at certain positions may differ on a given play. Here the offense is in the Normal I-Formation while the defense is in a 4-3 Normal.]]
I'd love to contribute to the Hungary portal--can't promise I'd be able to do stuff every week but I'll gladly help out if I'm needed. I can be of most use on culture-related stuff, especially music as that is my area of expertise. :) By the way, how about that vote of confidence, eh? I thought for sure Gyurcsi was political dead meat!! Is the rest of the country as annoyed as I am? :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 17:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Most football players have highly specialized roles. At the college and NFL levels, most play only offense or only defense.
===Offense===
Excellent! Glad to see NCurse is an admin too!
* The '''[[offensive line]]''' (OL) consists of five players whose job is to protect the passer and clear the way for runners by blocking members of the defense. Except for the center, offensive linemen generally do not handle the ball. The five offensive line positions are 1 center, 2 tackles and 2 guards.
I'm with you on the political crap--if I were suddenly granted Hungarian citizenship I'd probably be one of those "hold your nose and vote Fidesz" types, at least for now, but I'd try to stay out of politics. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 18:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
* The '''[[quarterback]]''' (QB) receives the snap on most plays. He then hands or tosses it to a running back, throws it to a receiver or runs with it himself. The quarterback is the leader of the offense and calls the plays that are signaled to him from the sidelines.
*'''[[Running back]]s''' (RB) line up behind or beside the QB and specialize in running with the ball. They also block, catch passes and, on rare occasions, pass the ball to others. If a team has two running backs in the game, usually one will be a halfback (HB) or tailback (TB), who is more likely to run with the ball, and the other will usually be a fullback (FB), who is more likely to block.
*'''[[Wide receiver]]s''' (WR) line up near the sidelines. They specialize in catching passes, though also block for running plays or downfield after another receiver makes a catch. A receiver lining up on the line of scrimmage is sometimes called a "split end" and a one lining up behind the line is sometimes called a "flanker".
*'''[[Tight end]]s''' (TE) line up outside the offensive line. They can either play like wide receivers (catch passes) or like offensive linemen (protect the QB or create spaces for runners).
At least seven players must line up on the line of scrimmage on every offensive play. The other players may line up anywhere behind the line. The exact number of running backs, wide receivers and tight ends may differ on any given play. For example, if the team needs only 1 yard, it may use three tight ends, two running backs and no wide receivers. On the other hand, if it needs 20 yards, it may replace all of its running backs and tight ends with wide receivers.
Are they really that close to KDNP?? I was under the impression that they were just your basic centre-right party. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 18:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
===Defense===
Yuck! What a mess! Fidesz should go back to its roots, and kick out all the fascists. Either that or we can form our own party. :)[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 18:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
* The '''[[defensive line]]''' consists of three to six players who line up immediately across from the offensive line. They try to tackle the running back if he has the ball before he can gain yardage or the quarterback before he can throw or pass the ball.
* In most situations, at least three players line up as '''[[defensive back]]s''', which are either cornerbacks or safeties. They cover the receivers and try to stop pass completions. They occasionally rush the quarterback.
* The other players on the defense are known as '''[[linebacker]]s'''. They line up between the defensive line and defensive backs and may either rush the quarterback or cover potential receivers.
===Special teams===
OK, no more politics talk then....didn't know it was discouraged! [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 19:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
The units of players who handle kicking plays are known as "[[special teams]]". Two important special-teams players are the "[[punter (football position)|punter]]", who handles punts, and the "[[placekicker]]" or "kicker", who kicks off and attempts field goals and extra points.
===Uniform numbering===
==Signature==
In the NFL, ranges of uniform numbers are reserved for certain positions:
Hello, Alensha! Could you kindly remove the image in your signature? Images arent allowed per the [[WP:SIG|signature guidlines]]. Thank you.--[[User:Deepujoseph|thunderboltz]]<sup><font color="green">[[user_talk:Deepujoseph|(Deepu)]]</font></sup> 19:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks! :) --[[User:Deepujoseph|thunderboltz]]<sup><font color="green">[[user_talk:Deepujoseph|(Deepu)]]</font></sup> 15:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Szia Alensha, I bet you could use your flower signature if you put the whole thing inside a box. I see that everywhere... [[User:Istvan|Istvan]] 05:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
*1-9: Quarterbacks, kickers and punters
== Budapest railway stations ==
*10-19: Quarterbacks, kickers, punters, and wide receivers
*20-49: Running backs and defensive backs
*50-59: Centers and linebackers
*60-79: Offensive and defensive linemen
*80-89: Wide receivers and tight ends
*90-99: Defensive linemen and linebackers
NCAA rules specify only that offensive linemen must have numbers in the 50-79 range, but the association "strongly recommends" that quarterbacks and running backs have numbers below 50 and wide receivers numbers above 79. This helps officials as it means that numbers 50 to 79 are ineligible receivers, or players that normally may not touch the ball.
Regarding your comment on my talk page, my recent moves of the Budapest station articles were motivated by the prior work done on articles akin to the likes of [[Berlin Hauptbahnhof]] and [[Praha hlavní nádraží]]. Whilst I would normally agree with your argument that on the English Wikipedia English placenames should be used, it is a slightly different matter with railway stations. Most railway operators in continental Europe use the original names for the stations their trains pass through (i.e. a train going from Brussels via Munich to Prague would likely be labelled as Bruxelles-München-Praha), so I believe this to be an exception to the rule.
==Basic strategy==
There's also been a discussion on [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Station_naming_scheme]] which might be of interest regarding this subject matter.
{{Main|American football strategy}}
Because the game stops after every down, giving teams a chance to call a new play, strategy plays a major role in football. Each team has a '''playbook''' of dozens to hundreds of plays. Ideally, each play is a scripted, strategically sound team-coordinated endeavor. Some plays are very safe; they are likely to get only a few yards. Other plays have the potential for long gains but at a greater risk of a loss of yardage or a turnover.
Generally speaking, rushing plays are less risky than passing plays. However, there are relatively safe passing plays and risky running plays. To deceive the other team, some passing plays are designed to resemble running plays and vice versa. There are many trick or gadget plays, such as when a team lines up as if it intends to punt and then tries to run or pass for a first down. Such high-risk plays are a great thrill to the fans when they work. However, they can spell disaster if the opposing team realizes the deception and acts accordingly.
Regarding your comment about the name being "grammatically wrong", I used [http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/bhftafel.exe/dn?seqnr=3&ident=fs.01702326.1160249875&] and [http://jizdnirady.atlas.cz/Route.asp?cl=C&tt=2&i=42486&s1=5129&s2=12850] which both list the station as "Budapest keleti pu". It is also commonly found on destination indicators abroad. If there is any official MÁV station naming scheme, I'm interested to hear of it, but I highly doubt that even MÁV omits the "Budapest".
--[[User:Doco|'''doco''']] [[User talk:Doco|(<font color="red">☏</font>)]] 19:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
The defense also plans plays in response to expectations of what the offense will do. For example, a "blitz" (using linebackers or defensive backs to charge the quarterback) is often attempted when the team on defense expects a pass. A blitz makes downfield passing more difficult but exposes the defense to big gains if the offensive line stems the rush.
===Arguments for both sides===
It may be odd but I can't really take sides in this matter.
Many hours of preparation and strategizing, including film review by both players and coaches, go into the days between football games. This, along with the demanding physicality of football (see below), is why teams typically play at most one game per week.
Arguments for using English:
#easier to browse and identify for 99.99% of readers
#(could be) universal through the English-language Wikipedia.
Arguments for preserving the Hungarian:
#translations may sound silly or unusual for native speakers (just imagine ''[[Piccadilly Circus|Piccadilly Körönd]]'' – example from ''Problem English,'' ISBN 9631833240, p. 126), due to the mixed associations and/or the different naming conventions in different cultures
#translations almost always can be debated; often as many guide books, as many translations; one may express the basic idea more faithfully while another version may be more widespread etc.
#they don't help the reader identify the ''actual'' name of the place in question
#if someone is really interested in a country, they can pick up the words for "street", "square", "railway station" in about one minute; constraining the translated form may become somewhat affected afterwards
#it's hard to draw a line between things common enough to be translated and less important things where a translation can only be occasional and arbitrary.
==Physicality==
[[User:Adam78|Adam78]] 20:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
{{main|Issues in American football#Injuries}}
American football is a collision sport. To stop the offense from advancing the ball, the defense must tackle the player with the ball by knocking him down. As such, defensive players must use some form of physical contact to bring the ball-carrier to the ground, within certain rules and guidelines. Tacklers cannot kick, punch or trip the runner. They also cannot grab the face mask of the runner's helmet or lead into a tackle with their own helmet. Despite these and other rules regarding unnecessary roughness, most other forms of tackling are legal. Blockers and defenders trying to evade them also have wide leeway in trying to force their opponents out of the way. Quarterbacks are regularly hit by defenders coming on full speed from outside the quarterback's field of vision.
To compensate for this, players must wear special protective equipment, such as a padded plastic [[football helmet|helmet]], [[shoulder pads]], hip pads and knee pads. These protective pads were introduced decades ago and have improved ever since to help minimize lasting injury to players. An [[Risk compensation|unintended consequence]] of all the safety equipment has resulted in increasing levels of violence in the game. Players may now hurl themselves at one another at high speeds without a significant chance of injury. Unfortunately, the injuries that do result tend to be severe and often season or career-ending and sometimes fatal. In previous years with less padding, tackling more closely resembled tackles in [[Rugby football]], with less severe impacts and fewer injuries. Better helmets have allowed players to use their helmets as weapons. All this has caused the various leagues, especially the NFL, to implement a complicated series of penalties for various types of contact. Most recently, virtually any contact with the helmet of a defensive player on the quarterback, or any contact to the quarterback's head, is now a foul.
All right, ''Keleti Railway Station'' is a good compromise, I think! [[User:Adam78|Adam78]] 13:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Despite protective equipment and rule changes to emphasize safety, injuries remain very common in football. It is increasingly rare, for example, for NFL quarterbacks or running backs (who take the most direct hits) to make it through an entire season without missing some time to injury. Additionally, twenty-eight football players, mostly high schoolers, died from [[Football Injuries|injuries]] directly related to football from 2000-05, although many were related to dehydration or other examples of "non-physical" dangers, according to the National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research.<ref>[http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/FootballInjuryData.htm Annual Survey of Football Injury Research 1931 - 2005], [http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/ National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research]. Updated [[January 18]], [[2006]]. Accessed [[October 31]], [[2006]] </ref> [[Concussion]]s are common, with about 41,000 suffered every year among high school players according to the Brain Injury Association of Arizona.<ref>[http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-23-2005/0004093186&EDATE= Studies Suggest 10% of Arizona High School Football Players Will Suffer a Concussion During This Coming Season] [[PR Newswire]] press release from the [http://www.biaaz.org Brain Injury Association of Arizona], [[August 23]], [[2005]]. Accessed [[October 31]], [[2006]] </ref>
== Party election results ==
Hello. I've been inserting the tables found on Hungarian political parties that show the number of seats and votes won, etc. If you could sort of go through them, maybe translating the footnotes from Hungarian, that would be nice. More importantly, though, there's a problem with Fidesz. The Hungarian version says that it won 266,689 votes in 1990 and 279,686 in 1994; the English one says 439,481 and 379,295. If you happen to know the actual numbers, please tell me so that I can make an accurate table for Fidesz as well. Thank you. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 22:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
: OK, thanks a lot for looking. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 21:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Extra and optional equiptment such as neck rolls and [[knee pads]] help against injury as well, though they do not tend to be used by majority of players because of their lack of requirement.
== My RfA ==
The danger of football and the equipment required to reduce it make regulation football impractical for casual play. [[Flag football]] and [[touch football (American)|touch football]] are less violent variants of the game popular among recreational players.
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| Thank you for participating in my [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/NCurse|RfA]], which passed with a tally of '''91/1/4'''. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 15:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
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==History==
Ajjajjajj... :) [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 18:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
{{main|History of American football}}
[[Image:Canada-United States football game at White City Stadium, London, 1944.jpg|thumb|right|Frank Dombrowski (left) of the [[United States]] and Captain W. Drinkwater of [[Canada]], rival captains of the teams playing in the Canada-United States football game at [[White City Stadium]], [[London]], [[England]], 14 February 1944]]
Both American football and [[football (soccer)|soccer]] have their origins in [[football|varieties of football]] played in the [[United Kingdom]] in the mid-19th century. American football is directly descended from [[rugby football]]. The majority of the plays in a typical American football game involve handling the ball rather than kicking it.
Many 'first' American football games have been claimed. However, the fact is that there is really no single game which could claim to be the first game of what we today know as American football. This is so because the game has evolved so much from its early roots and the game of today is quite unlike the earliest forms played in the nineteenth century. The origins of American football probably date to the early 1800s when teams from various colleges and secondary schools (necessarily from the Eastern part of the United States because established institutions of learning existed only in that region at the time) met to attempt to move an inflated ball past a line to gain points. This movement was usually achieved by kicking or batting at the ball, as in soccer. The number of men on each side (as men were only then allowed to compete) was quite different than the eleven which characterizes the modern game. It has been claimed that [[Rutgers University]] and [[Princeton University]] played the first game of college football on Nov. 6, 1869 in [[New Brunswick, New Jersey]], won by Rutgers 6-4. However, the viewpoint that this particular game marks the beginning of American football is contested. The English Football (i.e., Soccer) Association rules were followed in the Princeton/Rutgers contest <ref>Gardner, Paul. ''The Simplest Game'', Macmillan, 1996</ref>; participants were only allowed to kick the ball; and each side had twenty five men. Some see the Princeton/Rutgers meeting of 1869 as the first intercollegiate game of "soccer" in America, but not American football <ref>Smith, R.A. "Sports and Freedom: The Rise of Big-Time College Athletics", New York: Oxford University Press, 1988</ref>. [[Dartmouth College]] students played a football-like game now known as "[[Old Division Football]]," to which they published rules in 1871. The first game of intercollegiate football in America that most resembles the game of today was between [[Tufts University]] and [[Harvard University]] on June 4, 1875 at Jarvis Field in [[Cambridge, Mass.]], won by Tufts 1-0 [7] (on May 14, 1874 Harvard and [[McGill University]] faced each other in a similar form of game which was won by Harvard 3-0). A report of the outcome of this game also appeared in the Boston Daily Globe of June 5, 1875. In the Tufts/Harvard game participants were allowed to pick up the ball and run with it, each side fielded eleven men, the ball carrier was stopped by knocking him down or 'tackling' him, and the inflated ball was egg-shaped - the combination of which far more closely resembled the modern American football game than the games of other 'firsts'. Thus, the Tufts/Harvard game may be regarded as the 'first' game of American football.
:No, these adjectives do not really affect the outcome of the voting. These are just emotional votes. :) [[User:NCurse|NCurse]] <sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 05:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:: :) Thanks for the answer :) – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 14:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Encouraged by [[Yale University]]'s [[Walter Camp]], the schools began to adopt more standardized rules that would differentiate American football from rugby in the 1880s. The scrimmage was introduced in 1880 and the system of downs in 1882.
== Translation ==
By the turn of the 20th century, football had become notoriously dangerous; 18 college players died in 1905 alone. Colleges responded with a series of rule changes to open up the game, most importantly the forward pass, along with outlawing dangerous formations such as the "[[Flying wedge#Sports Usage|flying wedge]]", and introducing and requiring better equipment such as [[football helmet|helmets]].
Hi! Would you please check and correc the translation [[Talk:Hungarian Revolution of 1956#Translation help needed|listed here]]? Thank you! - [[User:Serinde|Serinde]] 12:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The game had achieved its modern form by 1912, when the field was changed to its current size, the value of a touchdown increased to 6 points, and a fourth down added to each possession.
Originally dominated by the [[Ivy League]], football soon captured the interest of colleges nationwide. By 1916, when the [[Rose Bowl game]] matching eastern and western teams became an annual event, football had developed a national following second only to [[baseball]] among team sports.
Professional football developed in the mill towns of [[Pennsylvania]] and the [[American Midwest]] in the early years of the 20th century. The NFL was founded in 1920 in [[Canton, Ohio]] as the American Professional Football Association; it adopted its current name in 1922. Professional football remained a largely regional sport of secondary importance until after [[World War II]], when television broadcasts boosted NFL football's national appeal. The pro game surpassed both college football and baseball in popularity in the 1960s.<ref>MacCambridge, Michael. ''America's Game'', Random House, 2004.</ref> The first Super Bowl—between the champions of the NFL and the rival [[American Football League]]—was played in 1967, and the leagues merged in 1970.
==56==
Thanks Alensha for your help and support! (what happened to your flower icon?) [[User:Istvan|Istvan]] 21:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
==See also==
Hi Alensha, you may be happy to hear that 56 is now [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 23, 2006|scheduled]] FA for 23 October. [[User:Istvan|Istvan]] 04:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
{{Commons|American football}}
*[[Issues in American football]]
*[[Glossary of American football]]
*[[List of American football players]]
*[[Pro Football Hall of Fame]]
*[[List of leagues of American football]]
*[[List of American football stadiums by capacity]]
*[[Canadian football]]
*[[Nine-man football]]
*[[Eight-man football]]
*[[Six-man football]]
*[[Indiana Big School Football Champions]]
*[[List of American football teams in Germany]]
*[[American Football in the Netherlands]]
*[[List of American football teams in the Netherlands]]
*[[List of defunct sports leagues]]
*[[Sprint football]]
*[[Eyeshield 21]]
*[[Fantasy football (American)|Fantasy Football]]
*[[Strat-O-Matic Football]]
==Notes==
Hi Alensha, I have some interesting 56 political posters that could help your page - authors unknown - do you know the copyright status of political posters and gov't proclamations?? Whenever I do something on the commons, I get hammered for not having the copyright info in order... [[User:Istvan|Istvan]] 04:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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== userboxes References==
*{{cite web|url = http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules|title = Digest of Rules|publisher = National Football League|accessdate = 2005-12-28}}
*{{cite web|url = http://www.nfl.com/history|title = History and the basics|publisher = National Football League|accessdate = 2005-12-28}}
*{{cite web|url = http://www.thesportjournal.org/2005Journal/Vol8-No4/starkey.asp|title = Playing with the Percentages When Trailing by Two Touchdowns|publisher = Montana State University|accessdate = 2005-12-24}}
==Further reading==
hahaha I just found all your userboxes on that special page! Great stuff! I borrowed your Fidesz one for myself, I've made myself a few (check my userpage, they're the patriot one and the Vaclav Havel one) which you are welcome to appropriate for yourself if you like. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 01:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
''[[Sports Illustrated]]'' magazine dated December 4, 2005; "Football America", a series of articles attesting to the pervasive popularity of American football in America at all levels.
==External links==
How do I do that??[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 19:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_football_rules.pdf NCAA's complete college football rules; available as a PDF file]
*[http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/papr:@FILREQ(@field(TITLE+@od1(Chicago-Michigan+football+game++))+@FIELD(COLLID+workleis)) Movie of 1903 football game between the University of Chicago and the University of Michigan]
*[http://www.nfl.com/history/chronology/ Chronology of many events in the NFL]
*National Football League [http://www.nfl.com/features/rulebook/signals/ Official Signals].
*[http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/SurveyofFootballInjuries.htm Annual Survey of Football Injury Research]
*[http://www.footballhistorian.net American Football]
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/american_football/3192002.stm Brief explanation of the sport by the BBC aimed at a non-american audience]
*[http://www.o-d.com Offense-Defense NFL Youth Football Camps]
*[http://www.footballhwy.com Articles on many football topics]
*{{dmoz|Sports/Football/American/|American Football}}
{{American football portal}}
== Mancs ==
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u probably know this, being from Miskolc and all, but Mancs is dead! [http://inforadio.hu/hir/belfold/hir-81407/rss] [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 14:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:Team sports]]
[[Category:Sports in the United States]]
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Awww....poor guy. Go light a little candle at his statue for me, will you? :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lastochka]] 00:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
{{Link FA|pl}}
::Done. – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 17:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
{{Link FA|pt}}
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RIP, Béka poraira. Hű kis kutya volt. <span style="background: #fff0e0;"><font color="red">♥</font><font color="white">♥</font><font color="green">♥</font>: [[User:Gubbubu|<font face="Lucida handwriting" color="green">Gubb</font>]] <font size="+1"> [[User_talk:Gubbubu| ✍]] </font> </span><small> [[2006]]. [[October 28]] 08:37 [[:en:CEST|(CEST)]]</small> 08:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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== Re: protests '06 ==
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGubbubu&diff=84068744&oldid=80220620]
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Amongst damns : I would like to mean "káromkodások közepette" (értesüléseim szerint, az ábrahámita vallások főalakját, a világot kormányzó tiszta szellemi entitást többek közt azzal vádolták ezek a balfék rendőrök, hogy üzletszerű kéjelgést folytat - ami egy abszolúte szellemi entitással kapcsolatban nemcsak durva sértés, hanem triviálisan butaság, és különben sem érthető, hogyha egy entitást vádoltak ezzel, akkor miért nem azt tartóztatják le és miért a papjait rugdossák). <span style="background: #fff0e0;"><font color="red">♥</font><font color="white">♥</font><font color="green">♥</font>: [[User:Gubbubu|<font face="Lucida handwriting" color="green">Gubb</font>]] <font size="+1"> [[User_talk:Gubbubu| ✍]] </font> </span><small> [[2006]]. [[October 28]] 08:37 [[:en:CEST|(CEST)]]</small> 08:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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:Oh, I get it now. I'll correct it if someone hasn't done so already. – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 17:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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==Survey Q==
[[ga:Peil Mheiriceánach]]
Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere, [[User:Xizes/sh|click here to reply]].[[User:Xizes|AstroBoy]] 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[[gd:Ball-coise Aimearaganach]]
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== Re : Undeletion of "Special moments of Hungary's 1956 uprising" ==
[[id:Sepak bola Amerika]]
[[is:Amerískur fótbolti]]
I've looked through the whole thing again. I'm sorry, but I afraid I'll have to tell you to run it through [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] instead. And you may or may not have a case because it is likely that editors will tell you to avoid Wikipedia itself as a self-reference (although you can use the sources in the original article, untranslated), and the English Wikipedia doesn't really accept anything considered as "trivia" these days. - ''Best regards'', [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 08:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[[it:Football americano]]
[[he:פוטבול]]
==South American Community of Nations==
[[lv:Amerikāņu futbols]]
Hey, how are you? Having a look at the discussion of the article in question I could notice how you congratulated and supported the SACN. I just wanna thank you for your nice words and your feeling for South America as a whole. Unfortunately, I cannot see the changes we were supposed to experience with the Union. Recently, there has been a meeting in which every associate member agreed to revoke the so-called visa. This visa, as you may know, was a compulsory and expensive document required when travelling from one country to the other. I'm pretty sure this fact is really important for us as a subcontinent, because it allows everyone to cross the border for a maximum of 90 days without showing any documentation.
[[lt:Amerikietiškas futbolas]]
Anyway, there are still many things to do. I hope we can see the difference in a couple of years time.
[[hu:Amerikai futball]]
Greetings from an Uruguayan citizen living in the European Union.
[[nl:American football]]
--[[User:Gustavo86|''Gustave'']] - [[User talk:Gustavo86|'''''May I help you?''''']] 22:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[[ja:アメリカンフットボール]]
[[no:Amerikansk fotball]]
== Hungary portal, and problem articles ==
[[pl:Futbol amerykański]]
[[pt:Futebol americano]]
Szia! I'm sorry I haven't been helping out on the portal, I've been pretty busy and actually I'm not entirely sure how to manage a portal. :) So if you need/want help on anything, just let me know and I'll do whatever I can. I'm still pretty busy for the next few weeks but will be able to do some work here. :)
[[ru:Американский футбол]]
[[scn:Futtibboll Miricanu]]
BTW, I noticed on the portal talk page that there is a big list of articles that need lots of work--Magyarization, KoH, Trianon etc.....I completely agree that they are a big mess. (I made the mistake of getting involved in some weird nationalist arguments a few weeks ago, sent my [[wikistress]] level through the roof!) I've noticed that those articles are usually monopolized by a certain alliance of Slovakian and Serbian wikipedians who are very vigilant to let their own rather POV version of events dominate the article, and any time any of us comes along to try and balance it or correct misleading statements, we get jumped on and discredited just for being Hungarian. I'm well aware that we have our own obnoxious POV-pushers, but even those of us with no "bad nationalist" agenda get slammed along with the obnoxious ones--leading to a stalemate. :(
[[simple:American football]]
It was mentioned on the problem article list that a Wikiproject might be needed to clean up the mess. I think that's a good idea--but i came up with an idea of my own last night, thought I might run it by you: a lot of the charges leveled against us on those articles are obviously ones of blind nationalism, saying that "of course, no one, and especially not the Hungarians, can be trusted to see their own history in a balanced NPOV way." There is indeed ''some'' truth to that, for every country. So what I was thinking is, how about we form some sort of informal "alliance" with a bunch of wikipedians from somewhere else? I was considering asking the Poles--we've historically been friendly with them, and the Polish wikipedians (especially Piotrus!!) are '''amazingly''' well-organized and professional (have you SEEN their portal and noticeboard?!). What I'm thinking is they could help resolve some of our disputes, they could be a friendly-yet-critical, reliable source of copyediting, information from more neutral sources etc., and in return we could help them with whatever similar problems they encounter. (Just think: "The Alliance of Polish and Hungarian Wikipedians"!)
[[sk:Americký futbal]]
[[sr:Амерички фудбал]]
I know it might sound a little silly! :) It was just a random late-night idea I had, and I've always wanted to play diplomat and forge some great alliance. Why not here on Wikipedia, all for the good of the encyclopedia? :) Just a thought. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 18:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[[sh:Američki fudbal]]
[[fi:Amerikkalainen jalkapallo]]
[[sv:Amerikansk fotboll]]
Szia! I thought of that too, if we do try and start a little "alliance" we should make it '''very''' clear it's not some sort of Anti-Slovak-and-Serbian Society. :) That's not my intent in the slightest. My idea really was just to have a reliable, friendly but also critical group of people to help us out if our credibility is questioned (by anyone, not just the Slovak-Serb group), help resolve disputes (again, with anyone), neutrally let us know when we DO get too POV, etc. And of course we would help them however we can. I remember back in August when the 56 project was just barely starting (still on the AID drive!), [[user:Istvan|István]] suggested that we could enlist a group of Czechs to help us with 56, then when it came the Prague Spring's turn for an FA anniversary celebration, we would return the favor. But I couldn't find any big organized groups of Czechs, so that didn't happen. I imagine doing something similar with the Poles--and it wouldn't be all dispute resolution and arguing with annoying nationalists either, our countries have historically been pretty close and there is a lot of good we could jointly do on ordinary history and culture articles. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[[th:อเมริกันฟุตบอล]]
[[tg:Футболи амрикоӣ]]
Jeszcze Polska nie zginiela! :) I don't have any Polish blood (as far as I know) but I completely adore the country and the people, for all their eccentricities. :) Poland and Hungary seem to have a lot in common--mainly how we've both been kicked around and caught in the crossfire every single time the big European powers start fighting. Arrrgh... :) anyways yes, I'll ask the Poles. I might leave a talk-page message for Piotrus first, just to see if it is a good idea from his perspective, and then maybe post something about it on the Polish noticeboard. :)
[[tr:Amerikan futbolu]]
[[zh:美式足球]]
Is it really your birthday btw? If if is, '''happy birthday!!!''' [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 21:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
== Miskolc ==
Nice portal, congratulation!
and
<big>'''HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!''' :-)</BIG>
--[[User:Bináris|Bináris]] 21:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Birthday cake.jpg|250px|center]]
Megelőztek :))
Happy Birthday!! And congrats on Miskolc!--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
==My RfA==
Thanks a lot for your nice comments and support < :) > ! I appreciate it. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 22:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for consoling me. I will let you know if I'm up again - probably not before July/August. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 18:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
== portal ==
I know it's a little early, but I just updated the portal. It's easier than I thought! :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 15:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I know, I just wanted to do something special for Puskás Öcsi. I just finished listening to the broadcast from his funeral on Petőfi Rádió...I think I'll go curl up under the covers and cry like a baby now....[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 16:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
== Merry Christmas ==
[[Image:Wikisanta.jpg|left|thumb|128px|[[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] wishes you a Merry Christmas!]]
Hi Alensha! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 19:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
:Nice to have also greeting in Hungarian. It is nice we have birthday on the same day. Also one more thing connect us: ''"Lengyel, Magyar két jó barát, együtt harcol s issza borát"''. :D - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 23:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
::I noticed someone translated it to EN Wiki today :). Unfortunately, PL Wiki doesn't have article about this one. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 21:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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==Re: Egypt==
Hello there:
Glad you liked the blog entry about the visit to Berlin, and the Ägyptisches Museum there. Am very much a museum enthusiast, and was just lucky that a business trip landed me in a hotel that was just up the street from "Museum Island". I have another business-related trip to Boston in February and am hoping to make a visit to the [[Museum of Fine Arts, Boston|Museum of Fine Arts]] while there. The previous week I made a point of photographing the Egyptian exhibits at the local (to me) [[Royal Ontario Museum]], and I plan to upload those over the next few days, so there will be more to come on the Commons. The organization efforts of the images there are really just part of trying to tie together all of the usable images documenting Ancient Egyptian history.
As for the English [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt|Egyptology wikiproject]], please just add your name to the list! Of those listed there, the contributors I run into most are [[User:Thanatosimii|Thanatosimii]], [[User:Markh|Markh]], and more occasionally [[User:llywrch|llywrch]]. Thanatosimii and I worked on bringing the [[Ahmose I]] article up to Feature Article status, I have lent a hand to Marhk's efforts on the [[Valley of the Kings]], and I am also helping to add to the [[Thutmose III]] article prior to submitting it for peer review. The collaborations tend to be informal, but together we have been able to improve a significant number of articles on the topic of Ancient Egypt.
As for the templates, best thing is to simply start with a template of interest and use your own sandbox to play in. Probably the most useful thing to do would be to head to the page of a given pharaoh, such as [[Ay]], and look at the use the "Pharaoh Infobox" template —which is arguably the most useful template currently in use — and consider applying it to articles of pharaohs using the "old style", such as [[Shepseskare Isi]] for example. This will give you a bit of a feel for how the templates are used in general. In terms of how to enter the text to appear in a cartouche, there are two methods: see [[List of hieroglyphs/german-Gardiner-list-translated]] and [[Gardiner's Sign List]]. I believe this functionality is built into a Unicode library supporting Ancient Egyptian on Wikipedia -- it just needs to be invoked within a template to be displayed.
Cheers from Toronto! [[User:Captmondo|Captmondo]] 03:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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== little question ==
Szia Alensha, I've got a sort of stupid request. Yesterday I left a message for NCurse about a slightly disturbing statement somebody made on an article talk page, asking if it was something we should worry about. He replied, but entirely in Hungarian. You know me, I'm only half-magyar, born in <strike>exile</strike> the United States, and my Hungarian is atrocious. :( I tried translating it but I'm not sure I got it right. When you have some spare time, can you take a look at it, my reply to NCurse's reply and tell me if I've missed something? Nagyon szépen köszönöm....[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 15:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Köszi! That's what I thought he said but I just wanted to make sure, I really appreciate your help. :) (I promise, I'm studying magyar, soon enough I'll be able to translate on my own...)[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 19:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
== szia! ==
Hi! Thanks for your note, I'm going to break my wikibreak for a while to respond. :)
Yeah, I am female. I know the football stuff, plus the military history of 56, is kind of a "guy thing"--I get that a lot, also because I rarely indulge in "girl talk", I always surprise people online when I reveal my true gender. I put that "this user is female" box up there after one too many people called me "Mr. Lásztocska". :)
"Pusztalakó" still makes me laugh. He doesn't mind, does he? You should have a nickname just based on the word "város", to contrast the city with the great big empty Alföld. And don't worry, when I ever make it back to the old country I'll visit Miskolc AND Debrecen. But given my current unfortunate situation I should maybe be nicknamed "Külföldi" !!!
István really wants to see the Puskás article as FA on April 2, for what would have been his (Puskás, that is) 80th birthday. I'm with him (István) as usual, only I'm totally useless so far because I really don't know much about him that isn't already in the article. I'm trying to get a copy of his autobiography "Puskás on Puskás" but it seems to have totally vanished from every bookseller in this godforsaken country...if I find it I'll be back to help out, otherwise will still be obscure for a while. Keep an eye on the [[Franz Liszt]] article for me in my absence, will you please? Lately he's been the target of vandals and trolls asserting he was REALLY Slovak, or Austrian, or German, or anything but magyar. Knowing how much he loved Hungary, it's quite an insult to say otherwise--see my rant on the [[List of Austrians]] talk page. :)
Anyway, hope everything goes well here, on HuWiki and in real life! I'll be back soon (and probably still around sporadically in the meantime.)
[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 16:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC) (a.k.a. Külföldi!) :)
I ''wish'' I was planning to visit Hungary. Or Kassa, wherever that is now. :) No, I'm stuck stateside for at least the next four years--I ''might'' try and study at the Liszt Ferenc Zeneakademia in BP after that. But have fun at the meetup, say hello to everyone for me. Thanks for the eBay link--British Amazon.com seems to have some copies too. (Always count on the English to have everything relating to football...) Cheers, [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 18:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
==People born in Jerusalem==
Hi,
I've noticed you was the editor who added the split request to the Jerusalem article. Was that list moved to somewhere or was it simply deleted by the anonymous user who edited it at 17:24, 9 January 2007? I noticed this quite accidentally (I was searching for that section of the article in the page history because I need the template that arranged the list into nice columns), and now I don't know whether I stumbled upon unnoticed vandalism or the list is safely moved to somewhere. – [[User:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1">Alensha</span>]] [[User talk:Alensha|<span style="color: #008ea1"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 15:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
:To be honest, I'm not sure what happened to it either. I saw the list had suddenly disappeared, but not moved to another article. I just didn't say anything about it because I didn't think it was necessary for the article anyway and surmised that someone else had agreed with me on that point. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 15:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
== Universelles Leben ==
Thank you for editing [[hu:Univerzális Élet]]. I am unilingual in English and I only have an account for [[Main page]]. Since you have an account in [[hu:Kezdőlap]], maybe you could add an interwiki link to [[Universal Life]] on [[hu:Univerzális Élet]]. That way, Hungarian-speakers who are browsing the Hungarian article will notice there is a corresponding English page, and hopefully some of them will also know English and translate some of the Hungarian article and post the English translation onto [[Universal Life]]. [[Universal Life]] is still a stub. Both the history pages of [[pl:Życie Uniwersalne]] and [[hu:Univerzális Élet]] have many more users than the history page of [[Universal Life]]. I'm curious if there is any info on [[hu:Univerzális Élet]] that doesn't appear on [[Universal Life]]. I think it's weird that of all the languages the [[de:Universelles Leben]] has been translated into, English is the one with the article that is the shortest. Anyway, if you ever decide to write in English on [[Universal Life]], I'm sure I will find it helpful and enjoy reading your contribution.
I do not have a professional level of English, but I am a native speaker, and I think this line of yours is incorrect: "I work as a translator from the English into Hungarian)." I think the word "the" shouldn't be there, and I think the parenthesis after the word "Hungarian" shouldn't be there either (since the beginning parenthesis is missing). However, I have not read your entire userpage, so I could be wrong.
This is only my second post on a User talk page, so I hope I haven't made any mistakes!--[[User:Xandiar|Xandiar]] 05:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
for your welcome note on the [[Talk:Romania]] page, related to my country's admission in the EU. [[User:MerryXIV|merryXIV]] 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
==Mutemwiya==
The reason I removed the Artatama Mitannian info. is that absolutely nothing is known about her origins. That is why Aidan Dodson--who is a true professional Egyptologist--says nothing about her background in his book on Egypt's royal families. No one can prove if she was linked to the family of Yuya--or not because no text or document mentions her paternity! If her son hadn't become king, she would have remained an obscure minor wife of Thutmose IV. The O'Connor & Cline book just quotes Betsy Bryan's book the reign of Thutmose IV in stating that claims that Mutemwiya was from Mitanni are likely unfounded and merely an attempt to add colour to her unknown origin. The same goes for claims that she was linked to Yuya since this is pure speculation without proof. When nothing is known of one's origins, anyone can dwell and speculate on her true origins but Wikipedia shoult dwell on the facts. Thank You. [[User:24.87.136.31|24.87.136.31]] 03:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Madam,
I have Nicolas Grimal's 1992 book titled 'A History of Ancient Egypt'. Grimal--who is also a professional scholar--writes that Mutemwia is "wrongly identified as the daughter of Artatama I" as once thought. (p.221) Frankly, many people would like to say that King X or Lady Y was the son or daughter of this person or that when we know absolutely nothing about King X or Lady Y's family history from the historical texts. In this vacuum, people make all sorts of guesses--whether they are absed on facts or not.
I should stress that king [[Siptah]] was once thought to be the son of Tiaa, one of [[Seti II]]'s wives even though no historical document mentioned his parentage. Some Egyptologists just guessed that it was Tiaa! But then 4 years ago, scholars found a relief from the Louvre museum which establishes that Siptah was actually the son of an unknown Canaanite woman named '''Sutailja'''. She was probably a king's concubine. So, now, all the previous theories about Siptah's mother have been discredited! This shows that it is safer to say that nothing is known about Mutemwia or Siptah's parents rather than to speculate because a new discovery could make everyone look foolish. I hope this helps. Fabian [[User:24.87.136.31|24.87.136.31]] 09:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I did not remove the reference to [[Yuya]]'s possible Mitannian ancestry because no Egyptologist that I know of can dispute this theory. In contrast, both Betsy Bryan--who wrote a 1991 biography on Thutmose IV and knowsmore about the situation here, Nicolas Grimal and Aidan Dodson--by omission in the later case state or imply that Mutemwiya was not a daughter of Artatama. You have to read Betsy Bryan's book to see all the reasons why she rejects the previous assertion that she was Mitannian. Yuya, however, is a major problem. His name can be rendered in several different ways--not just Yuya but Iouiya for instance. Someone once gave me 4-5 different spellings of his name. This is not normal and MAY suggest that Yuya was a non-Egyptian though not necessarily from Mitanni. I've always thought he was Egyptian since he came from Akhmin in Upper Egypt which was mostly native Egyptian but his name is rather rare. So far no scholar can dispute Yuya's foreign origins; so, I prefer to leave the reference to Yuya's alleged Mitanni background in place and just cite the source fror this belief--Gaston Maspero's analysis in Theodore Davis' 1907 book on the discovery of Yuya's tomb. Imagine, its now 100 years and we still don't know if Yuya was Egyptian or not. This shows just how far Egyptology has come in this matter! Regards.
There are 5 different spellings for Yuya. (I found the message) The variations are "'''iAy'''", '''ywiA'''", '''ywA''' [reed-leaf with walking feet], '''ywiw'''" and, in orthography, usually a sign of something foreign, "'''yiA'''"[man with hand to mouth]. The spellings all come from Maspero's comments on [[Yuya]] in Davis' 1907 book. My contact says that "it is not usual to have so many spelling variants" for an Egyptian name which hints at a non-Egyptian origin for Yuya. However, she states that there are many known foreigners from Upper Egypt since the famed Brooklyn Papyrus lists 95 servants. "A list of them is included which states their titles, names and surnames, and their occupations. Of the seventy-seven entries which are presented well enough to enable the individual's
nationality to be read, twenty-nine appear to be Egyptian while forty-eight are 'Asiatics' . . . Although the foreign names were not precise enough to enable the exact homeland of these Asiatics to be identified, it can be said that they were from a 'Semitic group of the north west' . . . The Brooklyn Papyrus is important here because it shows that
one household employed a large proportion of Asiatics and this household was situated in Upper Egypt (the south) and not in the Delta; therefore it is apparent that Asiatic servants were by now disseminated throughout the community." The Pyramid Builders of Ancient Egypt, pp.189-190.[[User:24.87.136.31|24.87.136.31]] 21:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't know how to do hierolyphic signs. Sorry. [[User:24.87.136.31|24.87.136.31]] 01:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Alensha,
I don't know to type in hieroglyphs at all but I know someone on Wikipedia who does! Here is the web link for the list of changes for the Wikipedia article on The Sea Peoples. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sea_Peoples&action=history] You will notice that a user named '''Flembes''' added the hieroglyphs for the Sea Peoples in his first post on the subject on October 25 at 9:30. click on last to see how he does it. Flembes is the one you want; he has added hieroglyphics for other Egyptian articles too, I notice. You should contact him. I'm just not technically proficient here but I will add the 5 ways of spelling Yuya's name on Wikipedia's article on [[Yuya]]. It was nice talking with you. [[User:24.87.136.31|24.87.136.31]] 09:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
==Hungary-history-stub==
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==Third Hungarian Republic==
:Már fél éve firkantottam, nem is emlékeztem rá. Arra sem, konkrétan miért. De így jobb. [[User:Cserlajos|'''<font color="green">Cserlajos</font>''']] [[User talk:Cserlajos|<sup><font color="black">(talk)</font></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cserlajos|<sup><font color="black">(contribs)</font></sup>]] 09:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
== Non-standard capitalization of names ==
Hello, I saw your post at ''[[Talk:Bell hooks]]'' regarding the related capitalization issue. There is currently a similar, somewhat stagnating discussion at ''[[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Individual typographical choices for personal names]]'', for which I am trying to render input by more editors. Hence I was wondering whether you would like to comment. Regards - [[User:Cyrus XIII|Cyrus XIII]] 09:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
== Christiane Desroches Noblecourt ==
No problem. The main stumbling block the translator and I have come across is that the description of the transportation of the temple of Amada is very unclear in the original French. Do you know how this temple was in fact moved? I'm not sure my present description is totally accurate... <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WJB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']]</span> 23:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
==Beketaten==
Dear Alensha, I notice you frequently cite Aidan Dodson's useful 2004 book on Egypt's royal families in your posts regarding various Egyptian personalities. You probably have a copy of it in your home. Does Dodson make any comments concerning Beketaten--ie: her identity, etc? Beketaten does not appear as one of Akhenaten's 6 daughters. I strongly doubt that she is Nebetah for one reason. Unlike Amenhotep III's other 3 daughters, she is only attested once in the historical records by a colossal statue. She is not mentioned in small items, unlike her three sisters. This suggests to me that she had a brief life. [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 10:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Beketaten was the daughter of Amenhotep III? That's strange. Maybe it is based on new information. I have a photocopy of Cline & O'Connor's comprehensive 1998 book on Amenhotep III's reign and they state that Amenhotep III had only 4 known daughters with Queen Tiye: Sitamun, Henuttaneb, Isis or Aset and Nebetah. I gave my reference in the 'Family' section of [[Amenhotep III]]. On the theory of a Amenhotep-Akhenaten coregency, I reject the idea because the tomb of Amenhotep III always his prenomen written as Nebmaatre Amehotep--a situation which is imposible in a 19+ year long coregency. In contrast, in Akhenaten's reign, Amenhotep III's name was always written as 'Nebmaatre Nebmaatre' to avoid mentioning his father's Amun affiliated birth name. Also, a diplomatic letter addressed to Akhenaten is now believed to date to Year 2, rather than Year 12, of Akhenaten's reign as Aldred once thought. I wrote an Amazon.com review on Nicholas Reeves book "Akhenaten: Egypt's False Prophet" and it is still online there concerning these points. You can look it up. Regards, Fabian [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 20:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
As an Aside, I recently expanded the article on [[Ramesses IV]] by including more information on this king's various expeditions and providing a short list of attestations for him under my anonymous 24.87, etc log in No. Someone wrote here previously that his Queen was a certain [[Tetopet]] but I know nothing about her. I assume it is true but I don't even know if her name is spelled Tetopet? If Dodson's book includes any comments on her, I invite you to add in some information on her currently blank Wikipedia web page--if you wish--since you have done the same for other Egyptian personalities. With kind Regards. Fabian [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 02:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. I will change the reference to Beketaten being Akhenaten's daughter in the [[Nebetah]] page if you haven't already. Reeves book is very good on the reign of terror of Akhenaten's reign as well as the paranoia which afflicted his reign. He also correctly rejects a long coregency. But Reeves proposed identification of the male mummy in KV55 as Akhenaten is wrong; it is the body of a young man between age 19-20 years old. I have Bob Brier's 1998 book on an Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt who confirms this based on the kings bones. This is far too young for Akhenaten since the latter had 6 children in his reign and was obviously a mature adult at his accession. Secondly, his proposed identification--based on John Harris GM 1973 paper--that a ruler named Neferneferuaten was both Nefertiti and later king Smenkhkare is wrong--since several epithets given to her have the words "effective for her husband." So, the king Smenkhkare would be the young man in KV55 who died by age 20. I plan to post some information on Smenkhkare one day. PS: James Allen, in a forthcoming book in memory of Bill Murnane, thinks Nefertiti died before her husband's name and that the ruler Neferneferuaten was one of Akhenaten's five living daughters; see his article here: [http://history.memphis.edu/murnane/Allen%20-%20Amarna%20Succession.pdf] Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 20:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I added a small amount of the deleted information on [[Sitamun]] back to her article. She lived in a time when women featured prominently in history. I also added some references. Hope you approve. I did not save the reference to the Crown Prince Thutmose as you suggested.
It was nice contacting you. PS: Thanks for the help on Ramesses IV's wife. Goodbye. [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 03:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
==Christiane Desroches Noblecourt==
No problem - this was a really interesting article. I love translating, so if you know of any other good French (or Spanish) articles that don't exist in English, let me know! [[User:Rachel88|Rachel88]] 21:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
== Another translation request ==
Szia Alensha! Would you be able to translate the [[:hu:Nagybocskó|Nagybocskó]] and [[:hu:Nagybocskó (Románia)|Nagybocskó (Románia)]] articles for me? I would really appreciate it. Thanks, <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 08:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you '''very''' much. :-) The situation with Nagybocskó reminds me of the situation with [[Komárom]] and [[Komárno]]. Also, I noticed that [[Bocicoiu Mare]] says "In [[1992]] Bocicoiu Mare and ''Lonka'', which belongs to it..." I'm pretty sure that Lonka today is split in two as well. The northern part is called [[:hu:Rahói járás#Községek|Луг]] ("Luh"), and the southern part is called [[:ro:Lunca la Tisa, Maramureş|Lunca la Tisa]]. Perhaps it should be changed? As for the Toldeo pic, thanks! I thought it was too big when I added it, but I haven't got tired so far of looking at it. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 05:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
::Ok, please keep me updated. Cheers, <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 05:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Great. According to [http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Maramures/NagyBocsko/ this]:
<blockquote>
:::This Romanian Communa consists of
:::*Bociciou Mare (Administrative Center)
:::*Craciunesti (Jewish Religious Center)
:::*Tisa
:::*Lug
:::Ukrainian Town – Velykiv Bychkiv, Zakarpatska, Ukraine
</blockquote>
:::I'm guessing that "Lug" (which is another transliteration for "Луг"), is in fact Lunca la Tisa. Also, I noticed that the two articles now contradict each other. [[Bocicoiu Mare]] says "The village was first mentioned in [[1373]], by the name ''Boshko.''", while [[Velykyy Bychkiv]] says "The village was first mentioned in [[1358]], by the name ''Buchku''." Which one is correct? <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 01:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, ok. Thanks, I get it now. BTW, I noticed there was an article on [[:hu:Alsóvalkó|Alsóvalkó]]. If you could translate that one too, I would be very grateful. :-) (this is the last one) <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 21:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again! I suppose I actually do have two more:
*[[:hu:Kraszna]] ([[Crasna, Sălaj]])
*[[:hu:Kapnikbánya]] ([[Cavnic]])
The latter one already has some content, so I suppose we'd have to merge those two. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 22:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
::Hi, I am asking people who have contributed or are interested in [[Northern Maramureş]] to talk about the recent change of the article name and some stuff (mainly spelling) inside. You can find some opinions [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dc76#Bocicoiu_Mare here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PANONIAN#Question here]. Please, leave you comments [[Talk:Northern Marmaroshchyna]]. We might need the assistance of an admin to redo certain things (changing the name back, for ex.). Of course, let's first see that everyone agrees on a good name. Thank you.:[[User:Dc76|Dc76]] 20:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
::About Lunca/Lonka, see also [[Bocicoiu Mare]]. The Romanian administrative system "peculiarity" is as follows: a ''comune'' consists of 1 or several villages (in this case four or five, incl. Bocicoiu Mare and Lunca la Tisa), which have a single common mayor and administration. This is because some small villages (like 100 to 1000 people and only 10 to 30 sq km of land) do not have resourses to keep a school, services, officials, etc, separately. The councilmen would be elected from villages separately, e.g. two per village, so that each one's voice be heard. The villages have the option to organize a local referendum and separate. But usually the opposite happens, they want to join to achieve more together. According to [http://www.searchromania.net/maramures/bocicoiu_mare/ this], there are 4 streets in the comune, called:
*Necunoscuta (Unknown), with [http://www.searchromania.net/maramures/bocicoiu_mare/necunoscuta/1/ numbers and postal code]
*Sat Craciunesti (Village Craciunesti), idem
*Sat Lunca la Tisa (Village Lunca la Tisa), idem
*Sat Tisa (Village Tisa), idem
::And, also see [http://www.ghidulprimariilor.ro/business.php/PRIMARIA-BOCICOIU-MARE/174272/ this], which officially confirms that there are only 4 villages, those above: Bocicoiu Mare, Tisa, Crăciuneşti, Lunca la Tisa. Area: 24,02 sq km, incl. 1,6 in localities (i.e. where there are houses) and 22,42 outside (i.e. forests, agriculture, etc). Population: 4,476. No of households: 1,366. No. of living quoters: 1,374 (apparently some people have two houses built near by). Kindergardens: 4. Schools: 6. No high school. Main economic activities: agriculture, manufacturing of bricks, woodcraft, comercial activities (meaning perhaps shops, etc). Interested to tourists: 1) etnographic museum "Pipas" in Tisa 2) ''Băile Crăciuneşti'', i.e. Craciunesti baths with (apă mineralizată), i.e. mineralized water. 3) ''Movilă naturală'', i.e. natural knoll. (Tax) facilities for investors (who): make bricks, use minaralized water, fitting of the leasure zone Tepliţa. Investement projects (by the state): 1) "rehabilitation" of he system of drinking water; 2) to asphalt and modernize the road Bocicoiu Mare - Lunca la Tisa. :-) :[[User:Dc76|Dc76]] 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
== Kapnikbánya ==
Thanks again. If you see [http://egrihvim.uw.hu/terkepek/szatmar%20varmegye.jpg this map] of Szatmár vármegye, you will notice that is on the right-hand side, in Nagybányai járás. As for the Slavic name etymologies, you could ask [[User:PANONIAN|PANONIAN]], [[User:Tankred|Tankred]], or [[User:Irpen|Irpen]]. There are many others that I know. Yeah, I knew Juro too. We got into a conflict on [[Slovakization]]. It was bad. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 09:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:BTW, I just noticed that [[:hu:Szilágysomlyó|Szilágysomlyó]] has some interesting information... ;-) (hint, hint) <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 04:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
== contest ==
LOL yeah, we are crazy. It never ceases to amaze me that one of my best Wiki-friends is a deranged Romanian ultranationalist. :) Thanks for helping out, I know I couldn't translate the whole thing myself. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 16:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just started it at [[Rákóczi's War for Independence]]--we can change it later if we want. So far I've translated one sentence. :D [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 16:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
== A sántító Rákóczi ==
Ne tessék keverni szegény idegenbe szakadt lelki hazánkfia lelkivilágát! Csak azt tetszett elfelejteni, kedves kollegina, hogy a Habsburgok nem szuperhatalmi minőségben, hanem legitim államfőként "nyomták el" a magyarokat. Pontosabban a nemesi nemzet szabadságjogait politikailag, meg a jónépet kiuzsorázásilag, de inkább német zsoldosok zabálják fel a termést, mint szpáhiknak adjanak el rabszolgának... --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 17:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Ászrevettem már én is, de nem érdekel. Az enwiki megérdemli, hogy így nézzen ki a userlapom :p --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 18:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::Budapest is ;) --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 18:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
"Hungary lost its suzerainty, was forced to accept the Habsburg emperors as rulers, and has already lost Transylvania in 1690, when the Diploma Leopoldinum made it a Habsburg territory independent from Hungary." - Ez így konkrétan baromság. A szuverenitás megmaradt, elvesztésére csak korábban került sor a Wesselényi-féle mutyizás miatt, de Thököly miatt aztán inkább hagyták a magyarokat elkanászodni. Erdély elvesztését meg hülyeség szegény Lipót nyakába varrni, akkor már inkább Szapolyaiékat kéne megrugdalni, meg a Diploma előtt kb. 150 évig regnáló fejedelmeket. Megnézem a magyar cikket, hogy érdemes-e lefordítani egyáltalán. --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 18:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Never mind the specifics--we have a lot of work to do, the Romanians practically tripled the size of their article overnight and we're dropping seriously behind. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 13:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Köszönöm NAGYON szépen! If we win, you get special recognition. :) I guess technically we've broken the rules but the point wasn't necessarily in the translating, it was in getting new articles written by whatever means. I'll go pare down Rákóczi's biography article--I seem to be better at deleting (or just destroying) than adding right now, though philosophically I'm an inclusionist as well...[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 20:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
=== Bah... ===
Így segítsen az ember... mindjárt dolgoztatni akarják :(. Asszem nem nyújtogatom többet a kisujjam. --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 12:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Az még oké, de Lásztocska kisasszonynak (?) ez nem elég. Hitelesebb forrást akar. Győzd meg, hogy én eléggé az vagyok :D --[[User:Mathae|Mathae]] 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Sheesh, all I wanted was a little citation for a statement like "the Hapsburgs were Hungary's rightful kings" or whatever it was you said. (igen, "kisasszony" vagyok. :D ) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 02:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
==Translation help?==
Hi! I found your name on the [[Wikipedia:Translators_available|translators list]], and was wondering if you'd be able to help a bit with my attempt to expand [[Golubac fortress]]. I found [http://www.bk.ngo.ro/babak88.html this page], and have been told that it's probably Hungarian, rather than Romanian, but I can't read it either way. If you have the time to translate that (or summarize, or bullet points, or whatever else -- I realize it's kind of long, and I'm not picky, just looking for information.), it'd be much appreciated! As well, I found [http://kislexikon.hu/babakaj.html this short bit] which I imagine doesn't say anything I don't already know, but it never hurts to double check. Thanks in advance, -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks! I had actually already found the links for the Hungarian kings based on the dates, though don't know if I'll work either of them in specifically, but thanks for that, too. :) -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]] 22:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
===Take 2===
Hi again! I found [http://www.mimi.hu/tortenelem1/galamboc.html another page] that I think might actually have something this time. All the boxes have several links too, though, and I don't have the foggiest idea what they are, though I'm guessing they're ads or something, since they're to a completely different website. If they're not, and there's actually more info in them, could you summarize what they're about, and I'll let you know which ones would be most useful to actually get all the details? Thanks! -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]] 08:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
==Articles on Murnane==
You once asked where I got James Allen's article on [[Smenkhkare]]. It is from a Univ. of Chicago web site which will publish a series of book featuring these series of online articles in honor of the late--and great--William Murnane (d.2000) sometime this year, I believe. Anyway, several more articles have been posted on this web site including an interesting new one by Van Dijk on '''Meketaten'''. This site basically has the latest research on Egyptological matters. Here is the link: [http://history.memphis.edu/murnane/] Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 07:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Madam,
I am happy that you liked Dijk's article on Meketaten. May I ask what sections of Egyptology you are mostly interested in: is it the Old Kingdom, the Middle Kingdom, the New Kingdom, the Third Intermediate Period or the women of Ancient Egypt? I notice you have posted much good information on Ancient Egypt's many women. Personally, I am quite interested in Ancient Egyptian Chronology--I hope to see the new book by Erik Hornung and his team of specialists soon at my University--and also like the New Kingdom and Third Intermediate Period. Do you have easy access to specialised Egyptian serials like GM. Here in Vancouver Canada where I live, Egyptology is a minor subject--my University only recently ordered GM in 2005--and we have no Egyptology courses and only one real Egyptologist--Thomas Hikade. Before 2005, we only had JEA, BASOR, Orientalia and JNES, but little more serials that covered Ancient Egypt but little else. Regards, Fabian [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 09:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I too am an amateur on Egyptology. But my University has the second largest collection of books in Canada after the Univ. of Toronto. So, I have all the best books all the periods on Ancient Egypt. I just live far from my library and am no longer a regular university student. I have posted this review of Kitchen's TIPE book. Did you know Kitchen will publish a 4th updated edition of TIPE in April 2007. Thsi is unprecedented but show the popularity of his TIPE book. Here is my review of his 2nd edition 1986 TIPE book. [http://www.amazon.com/Third-Intermediate-Period-Egypt-2nd/dp/B000KXZ1RO/ref=sr_1_3/002-8141812-5650423?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174093908&sr=8-3]
BTW, have you seen this large dispute about the touregypt.net reference site here. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist#touregypt.net] If you wish to give a reply, you have to sign in though. Many people are angry that some Wikipedia administrator has decided to ban it because it contains links to some Ads. Personally, I believe strongly the harm it may cause is outweighed by the amount of material it gives. Regards, [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 01:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Alensha, Thank You for your comments. No, I don't plan to be an Egyptologist but a few years ago I was on a certain Egyptological Forum where one of the participants was Frederic Payraudeau, an Egyptologist who has written articles on thew Third intermediate Period in BIFAO, Rde, GM and JEA. He taught me a lot of important information about this era. That is why I know much about Kitchen's interpretation of the evidence as well as some major problems with his view. Since Kitchen will published a 4th edition of TIPE soon, I hope he has corrected his errors here. Today almost all scholars accept that king Takelot II was never a king of the 22nd Dynasty; he was rather a king of the 23rd Theban dynasty in Upper Egypt. And his son Osorkon B did indeed become king as [[Osorkon III]] contra KItchen's view that Osorkon B was outmaneuvered to the throne. Kitchen maintains taht the Thebans would never accept Osorkon B as their king but he fails to understand that if Thebes was involved in a civil war which lasted for 20+ years, most people would get weary and be willing to accept him as their king if he did indeed defeat 'his unnamed enemy' [[Shoshenq VI]] as Osorkon claims in a Karnak Quay text dated to Year 39 of Shoshenq III. They would do so to gain stability and peace in their lives. Today, Egyptologists have found the Tehna stela; this document actually calls Osorkon III a '''High Priest of Amun'''. That person can only be the High Priest Osorkon B. This means Osorkon III=the HPA Osorkon B. All Egyptologists including Aidan Dodson, Gerard Broekman, J. [[Von Beckerath]], Jansen Winkeln, Rolf Krauss, etc have accepted this view--except Kitchen for the reasons I gave you. With kind Regards, Fabian [[User:Leoboudv|Leoboudv]] 06:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
== re: Petőfi ==
No problem. :) I'm writing a paper on him right now so he's close to my heart. :) I'll try and keep defending him from the small armies of Slovak and Austrian IPs that show up here with alarming regularity...[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 15:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
OMG, that poem is gorgeous! I'm going to set that one to music! :) Anyway, I'll take a closer look at the translation later tonight.
The thing I did with the DYK was, I accidentally nominated [[Ferenc Rákóczi]] instead of the new article. But I fixed it, much to Biru's dismay. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 23:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
== oops/éljen! ==
Uhh...we just accidentally won the contest w/ the Romanians, because Stupid Külföldi, a.k.a. yours truly, inadvertantly cheated, got her time zones mixed up and nominated the article three hours early. Goddammit, Biru is going to hate me for life. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
....and never mind? as I was writing to you someone removed us from DYK because we didn't qualify. Ajjajjajjajj, I am confused....[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 18:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:Right. On an unrelated theme, could we by any chance please get [[:hu:Révai József]] and [[:hu:Farkas Mihály]] onto en.wiki? I would appreciate it. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 23:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll try to make some mention of them in the People's Republic of Hungary article, as they, together with Gerő and Rákosi, do appear to have formed the leading quartet, though with the latter in a dominant position.<br>
::I put in a pronunciation note for Labiş - at least I think that's how you do it. He is indeed a fine poet, and his article is one of my targets for expansion. I need to mention that the "accident" that killed him was almost certainly the work of the secret police, as he had opposed the regime during the protests in Romania in late 1956 and witnesses saw him being pushed under. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 17:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
== help ==
can you take a look at our szlovak friend's latest posting on the Hungarian noticeboard, he and I got into a dumb fight over [[Tamás Priskin]]'s nationality and now I'm pretty sure he just insulted me in full view of everyone on the noticeboard. And he knows I can barely read Hungarian, which is why he wrote in Hungarian, just to expose me as the shameful charlatan and pseudo-Hungarian that I really am. [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 18:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, Priskin is a good footballer and plays for the national team (the HUNGARIAN one, I might point out--grr!) and even plays in the English Premier League now, so he definitely deserves a Wiki article. I did see all that mess on HuWiki--pretty stupid. Where does Mt7 get off, saying I and whoever else are "against Slovak-Hungarians"? I'm not against anyone, I was just trying to clean up what I thought was a silly-sounding sentence, and then this dumb war breaks out...
On an unrelated note, the Romanians won the contest so I had to alter my userpage--it's barely visible though. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 22:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Alensha. User Mt7 started to revert and whitewash Hungarians in Slovakia articles, claiming all are Slovaks, LOL. I have reverted all his related edits and blocked him for 24 hours for 3RR violation on Tamás Priskin article. His actions should be more watched in the future. Regards. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] 23:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Labiş: all yours. [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] 02:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
== Nicolas Sarkozy ==
Concerning the "castle" of the Sarkozy family, you can read [http://www.lefigaro.fr/reportage/20070207.FIG000000032_la_saga_hongroise_de_la_famille_sarkozy.html this article] published in February 2007. It is in french and gives the testimony not of the mayor but of a deputy ;)
Best regards --[[User:Asaraft|Asaraft]] 08:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
== AfD ==
Hi {{PAGENAME}}, this is a message I'm posting to everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Border history of Romania|this AfD]]. I have nominated the same article for deletion again [[here]] – you might be interested. Regards, [[User:Kissl|K]][[User talk:Kissl|issL]] 09:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
== RMDSZ ==
Szia Alensha. I've been helping [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] correct the spelling of [[Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania|RMDSZ]] politicians at [[User:Dahn/Templates]]. However, I'm still unsure about a few of them:
*"Laszlo Borbely" — I can say for certain that the correct seplling is [[László]], but I'm not sure about the surname. Is it "Borbély"?
*[[Hajdu Gábor]] — has two articles about him on the Romanian Wikipedia: [[:ro:Menyhért Hajdu Gabor|Menyhért Hajdu Gabor]] and [[:ro:Menyhért Gábor Hajdu|Menyhért Gábor Hajdu]]. "Gábor" is probably his given name, as it translates to "Gabriel" in English. However, it ''might'' be his surname, what do you think?
If you could help, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 00:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks so much! Two more:
:*[[Ákos Birtalan]] — is there any connection with the given name "Bertalan" (nickname "Berti")?
:*[[Francisc Baranyi]] — now this is an interesting one. I knew someone called Feri (pronounced "fedie", right?), so I assumed that his name was Ferenc. However, I remember seeing his name spelled "Francisc" somewhere, which I assumed was simply a typo for Francisco (he moved to Mexico). However, is Francisc a Hungarian name? What is the English equivalent? Also, I'm pretty sure "Francisc Baranyi" isn't the correct spelling in Hungarian.
:Thanks again, <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 21:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::I see. What confuses me is that an RMDSZ member can have a Hungarian surname (Baranyi), but a non-Hungarian given name ("Francisc"). As for Feri, I had always thought that the nickname was indeed pronounced "fedie"—are there any Hungarian nicknames that sound similar to that? <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::There are two different people with this name: the first is the one that I knew personally, and the second is the RMDSZ member. I suppose it's more likely that he was called Feri, since Francisco = Francis = Ferenc. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 22:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
BTW, check out [[Vasile Gergely|this]]. I'm guessing his Hungarian given name is László, but I thought "Gergely" was a given name as well. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 01:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:See [[Vasile Luca]]. :-) <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 12:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hmmm, I see your point. BTW, it should say "born László Luka" instead, right? <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 12:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm constantly having to archive it. Oh well. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 13:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
== szia :) ==
good to see you're back! :) Did you see what happened to my userpage on April Fools day? The Kétfarkú Kutya Párt took it over :). [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:K._Lastochka&oldid=119383803] [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 14:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
LOL I know, I spend way too much time on their website, and I have one of their campaign posters on my wall at home. :) Don't you just love them? Free beer! Eternal life! No new taxes! [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 15:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: összeesküvés a magyar wikipédian--köszönöm nagyon szépen. Ez a titokzatos személy a román barátunk van. Ajjajjaj, és most pácban vagyunk...[[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha, very funny. :) [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] 19:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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