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[[Image:Kew Gardens Interchange.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The interchange in 1955]]
===[[IG Farben Building]]===
The '''Kew Gardens Interchange''' is a complex junction in [[Kew Gardens, Queens|Kew Gardens]], in the center of the [[New York City]] [[borough (New York City)|borough]] of [[Queens]]. The interchange was completed in the 1930s.<ref>Shaman, Diana. [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E5DE1139F930A25752C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print " If You're Thinking of Living In/Kew Gardens Hills; Tranquil Enclave, Especially on Saturday"], ''[[The New York Times]]'', [[January 13]], [[2002]]. Accessed [[June 13]], [[2007]]. "MAJOR growth first came to Kew Gardens Hills in the mid-1930's when the Grand Central Parkway first linked the Kew Gardens interchange to the Triborough Bridge and Queens Boulevard was paved."</ref> It is located roughly midway between [[LaGuardia Airport]] and [[John F. Kennedy International Airport]]. Highways feeding into the Kew Gardens Interchange include:<ref>Bertrand, Donald. [http://gothamgazette.com/community/29/news/1771 "Kew Gardens Interchange Project Slated to get $171 Million"], ''[[New York Daily News]]'', [[July 19]], [[2005]]. Accessed [[June 13]], [[2007]].</ref>
Historically and architecturally important building in Frankfurt, Germany. This article started as a major rewrite by means of a translation of the original German FA article. I've since added some facts and inline citations lacking from the German version and had it peer reviewed [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/IG_Farben_Building|Here]]. I think it meets the criteria. --[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 16:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 
*<s>'''Object''' Prose and underreferenced. A personal (angelfire.com) website is an oft-cited source.</s> Object removed, nice job! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 14:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[Grand Central Parkway]];
:*''Its six square wings retains a modern, spare elegance despite the mammoth size of the building.''
*[[Van Wyck Expressway]] ([[Interstate 678]]);
:*''In 1975, the U. S. renamed the building as the "General Creighton W. Abrams Building".[1]''
*[[Jackie Robinson Parkway]] (formerly known as the Interboro Parkway;
:*''After the U. S. forces returned control of the I.G. Farben building back to the German government in 1995, it was sold to the state of Hessen, which purchased it on behalf of the University of Frankfurt.[1]'' [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 17:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[Queens Boulevard]] (NY-25); and
:**Thanks for your comments Sandy. I've made some more grammatical adjustments. The problem with referencing, is that there are plenty of German sites I could reference but the guidance prefers english citations on the the english wiki. Angelfire.com confirms much of the german source material so I've referenced it quite a bit. It may be a personal site but it's factual content can be verified. Perhaps you'd have another look and let me know what you think. I would gladly reference German language sites if you thought it appropriate.--[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 23:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[Union Turnpike (New York)|Union Turnpike]].
::*The problem with the references is apparent in the lead. '' built from 1928–1930[1] or 31[2] [3] '' One reference states that it was "built in only 24 months", 1928-1930, while the other states 1928-1931. (And you've got the references backwards, I think. Reference 1 says 1928 - <s>1932</s>1931, but you have it to 1928 - 1930.) From the lead, the reader finds a problem with these informal sources, calling into question the integrity of the remainder of the article. These sorts of things need to be worked out with research for an FA: I can't support an FA which relies on a personal websites; even less when those websites offer conflicting information. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 23:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Corrected my typo in dates, above. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 23:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The Kew Gardens Interchange is an incomplete junction: some highways are not connected; some are indirectly connected by Main Street and Union Turnpike.
:::*Completion dates can always be problematic with buildings. Is the moment of completion when workmen leave the site or when the building is occupied? On this site it is quite possible the main block was completed in 1930 and the casino in 1931. The sources don't make this explicitly clear, there is disagreement amongst them. I have amended the lead to read ''built from 1928-1930/31'' and cited the various sources inline with each date. Whilst only 2 sources state completion as occuring in 1930 these are from the fritz bauer institute and the university of frankfurt, so I am inclined to included them as reliable sources rather than just plump for the majority who say completion occured in 1931. I've also corrected the erroneous link. Angelfire.com is now cited much less than before. The other point here is that this is a translation of a German FA which cited only 2 sources. My understanding is that it is only necessary for the references to be reliable. Is the angelfire site considered unreliable? If it is then it's been mirrored in a number of locations including greatbuildings online [http://www.greatbuildings.com/architects/Hans_Poelzig.html here] and also [http://www.designcommunity.com/cgi-bin/mlk?http://www.angelfire.com/ny/IGFarben/index.html here], which would usually be considered a reliable source. Yes it's been written by an ex-soldier who has eye-wittness experience of the building, but it's generally well researched and represents a US Army POV. Nonetheless if you give me a day or two I'll endeavour to improve the referencing situation.--[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 09:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 
:::*I've completed re-citing the majority of the article to encompass other english sites and 2 comprehensive german sites all from reliable sources. Please let me know what you think. --[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 11:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
==References==
::::Back for a second look, after referencing work.
{{Reflist}}
:::::*I'm not sure what is going on in the References. The in-line citations should be Notes, and what is the list at the bottom? Is that Further reading, or References? In-line citations (Notes) should be in a separate section from Further reading or References that are just below them.
 
:::::*Please list bibliographic info for each reference, so that the sources can be located should the websites become unavailable. For example, your first reference includes information about author, date, etc., that should be included in the citation listing: Autor: Linke, Vera Fachbereich: Soziologie - Wohnen, Stadtsoziologie Kategorie: Hausarbeit Jahr: 2002 Archivnummer: K20840. Another example would be:
==External links==
:::::: Johnson, Dirk (Summer 2005). [http://www.hsc.edu/academics/modlangs/johnsondirk05.php Modern Languages: Professor Johnson Continues Research in Germany.] Retrieved on 2006-07-17.
*[http://www.empirestateroads.com/week/week32.html Empire State Roads] Interchange of the Week, Monday, 7 May 2001 (with images)
:::::*Prose: In the first sentence of the article, a typo is found: ''The Poelzig-Building or the IG-Farben-Building (also know as the Poelzig-Ensemble or Poelzig-Complex, and previously as the IG-Farben-Complex, and the General Creighton W. Abrams Building) was designed by Hans Poelzig and built from 1928–1930[1]/ 31[2] as the corporate headquarters of the IG Farben conglomerate in Frankfurt am Main, Germany.'' That is too much information to wind through, and doesn't encourage the reader to continue reading. When you add in the confusion over the dates, it is off-putting to the reader from the onset. Further, the name of the article is IG Farben building, but the reader encounters a different name first. The lead needs to be restructured and made more user-friendly. This is only a sample from the lead.
 
:::::*Conflicting terminology: IG Farben, IG-Farben, I.G. Farben, and the Farben building. Some refer to the company, some to the building, some to name changes, but the reader is left confused. Is it possible to standardize terminology?
[[Category:Queens, New York City]]
:::::*Random reference check: in the Recent years section, there are two very long paragraphs with no references. The reader doesn't know the origin of this information, and we can't ask them to "take our word for it". In the Building section, ''In 1928 IG-Farben was the fourth largest company in the world and the largest chemical company. '' with no reference.
 
::::The article really must be referenced for FA, and another copy edit for the remaining prose items would help. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 23:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
{{NewYork-State-Highway-stub}}
:::::I've added the refences (min 1 per paragraph now, plus the potentially contentious claims, biggest largest etc.) and really read and re-read it. Another pair of eyes would be appreciated for punctuation typos etc. but fingers crossed we might be 3rd time lucky. (thanks for you feedback by the way, I agree with DVD/RW, this level of thoroughness has improved the article no end).--[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 22:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - have a look through [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. Whether a reference is in English, German or Albanian isn't that big an issue; what matters most of all is that the source is reliable. If it happens to come from the personal website of a world famous architectural historian, that's great, but most personal websites are not. [[User:TheGrappler|TheGrappler]] 05:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per my suggestions that have been attended to at Peer Review. One thing that doesn't look right is the sourcing for the building construction dates. It looks very confusing as it is. Good luck with the FAC. '''[[User:Newnam|Newnam]]<sup>[[User talk:Newnam|(talk)]]</sup>''' 22:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support''' upon cleanup of Newnam's criticism. Apart from that, it's very good. &mdash;[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightst</span>]]<font color="green">[[User:Nightstallion/esperanza|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">a</span>]]</font>[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">llion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 16:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
**I've done that, I've kept the 2 completion dates with the 2 most reliable sources as inline citations. If there's ambiguity in the sources I think this should be reflected in the article. --[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 16:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. My concern at peer review was the lack of refs, but they have now been supplied. I think SandyGeorgia is doing a great job with reviewing it at this stage, as Newnam did at peer review, and this process will further improve this excellent article.[[User:DVD R W| DVD]]+[[User_talk:DVD R W| R/W]] 02:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Response''' - I've finally found a reliable citable source (In German) for the completion date confusion. The buildings ''were'' completed in 1930 but the parkland and grounds in 1931 - so the complex (as a whole) is listed as complete in 1931. I've amended the article accordingly. --[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] 10:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Could a properly cited reference be given for the plaque? I'm not certain that "Quotations" is an accurate section heading. Also, while the "References" listed were indeed references for the original German article, they do not appear to be being used to support any of the information in this article as it stands. As such they are really "Further reading" and not "References" at all - instead, the section labelled "Notes" is actually the "References" section and should be headed as such. I'm pretty sure that "Article based on this edit: of the original German featured article: IG Farben Haus." is a [[WP:SELF]]-reference that ought to be avoided. Besides, this article is now no longer based (at least in reference terms) on that article; it already appears as an interwiki link, and I can see no convincing reason to maintain a link to the version that it was at some point translated from. [[User:TheGrappler|TheGrappler]] 13:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)