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====[[User:User At Work/Pols under investigation]]====
This page is a blatant [[WP:BLP]] violation, since it is comprised almost entirely of unreferenced negative information concerning living people. An administrator [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:User_At_Work/Pols_under_investigation&diff=next&oldid=143716461 improperly removed] a speedy deletion notice from this page, claiming that "all info is sourced in the respective articles". This claim is both clearly factually incorrect, since some of the articles are red links, and irrelevant, since links to Wikipedia articles cannot themselves be employed as sources for [[WP:BLP]] purposes. All negative or otherwise controversial information concerning living people appearing anywhere in Wikipedia ''must'' be accompanied by direct references to reliable sources which substantiate it. [[User:John254|John254]] 16:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It is userspace. Userspace should be given slightly more freedom. If he wishes to express his opinion in his own userspace, who are we to stop him?--[[User:Sefringle|<span style="color:#CC7722 ">Sef</span><span style= "color: black;">rin</span><span style="color:#808000;">gle</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Sefringle|<span style="color:#4169E1">Talk</span>]]</small></sup> 16:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' -- [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material]] expressly states that the prohibition on unreferenced and inadequately referenced negative information concerning living people '''applies to user pages:'''<blockquote>Editors should remove any contentious material about living persons that is unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]], or is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see [[Wikipedia:No original research]]). Where the material is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced, the [[WP:3RR#Reverting potentially libelous material|three-revert rule does not apply]]. These principles apply to biographical material about living persons found anywhere in Wikipedia, '''including user and talk pages'''.</blockquote>
:[[User:John254|John254]] 17:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' There is no inaccurate information on the page. I'm workshopping here. If people feel very strongly that it needs references (other than linking to the Wikipedia entries, which '''are''' referenced), I'll add them in. But again, there is no inacurate information. I'm not even trying to express any opinion here, just keep track of the mess of corrupt politicians. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that John254 is attacking my userpage because he disagrees with my edits of his contributions. --[[User:User At Work|User At Work]] 17:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
* '''Weak Delete''' While there are references, they're to Google search pages, leaving us to hunt around to make sure the sources are legitimate. Normally I'd be willing to take such chances, but not when living people are involved. If the references are changed to actual reliable sources, I might be willing to change to keep. [[User:Blueboy96|Blueboy]][[User talk:Blueboy96|96]] 19:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' -- Indeed. At the time I requested that this page be speedily deleted, there were no references at all. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AUser_At_Work%2FPols_under_investigation&diff=143716461&oldid=69818523] Only after the speedy deletion request was wrongfully declined [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:User_At_Work/Pols_under_investigation&diff=next&oldid=143716461], and I nominated the page for deletion [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:User_At_Work/Pols_under_investigation&diff=next&oldid=143744518], did [[User:User At Work|User At Work]] begin to add "references". Actually, he didn't add references, he added links to google searches for each of people named in his unsourced list of accusations, apparently without any attempt to ascertain whether the searches produced reliable sources as results. Following the link for "reference" 75, for instance, will lead right back to [[User:User At Work/Pols under investigation]] itself!. The article associated with "reference" 75 is a red link, so the argument that "the references are in the articles", as unconvincing as it would be if there were an article, is, in the absence of an article, utterly without merit. Adding these bogus "references" to [[User:User At Work/Pols under investigation]] to obstruct the deletion of unreferenced material is quite disruptive. [[User:John254|John254]] 21:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Please have some minor amount of good faith. For one thing, you know all the information there is true. I put those quicklinks up because I didn't have the time to put 100 links in today. I would welcome you replacing the forwards to the actual links, if you would like to contribute. Since it seems you would rather delete my work and threaten me with blocking, I will likely have to do that myself. Which I would be happy to do, since it's in my userspace, but I would hope that others would have the respect not to threaten my userspace with deletion. I am starting to be convinced you are interesting in being punitive towards me. --[[User:User At Work|User At Work]] 22:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Please see [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Abusive_sockpuppetry_by_The_Cunctator]]. [[User:John254|John254]] 01:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:Please see [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Harassment_by_John254]]. [[User:User At Work|User At Work]] 06:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
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