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| name = Mourning Dove
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| status_ref = <ref>{{IUCN2006|assessors=BirdLife International|year=2004|id=48780|title=Zenaida macroura|downloaded=09 May 2006}} Database entry includes justification for why this species is of least concern</ref>
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| phylum = [[Chordate|Chordata]]
| classis = [[Bird|Aves]]
| ordo = [[Columbiformes]]
| familia = [[dove|Columbidae]]
| genus = ''[[Zenaida Doves|Zenaida]]''
| species = '''''Z. macroura'''''
| binomial = ''Zenaida macroura''
| binomial_authority = ([[Carolus Linnaeus|Linnaeus]], [[1758]])
| subdivision_ranks = [[Subspecies]]
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The '''Mourning Dove''' (''Zenaida macroura'') is a member of the [[dove]] [[family (biology)|family]], Columbidae. The bird is also called the '''American Mourning Dove''', and formerly was known as the '''Carolina Pigeon''' or '''Carolina Turtledove'''. It [[range (biology)|ranges]] from [[Central America]] to southern [[Canada]], including offshore islands. Many individuals in northern areas [[bird migration|migrate]] south to winter within the breeding range where January temperatures are greater than minus 12° Celsius (10° F).
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Habitats include various open and semi-open environments, including agricultural and urban areas. The species has adapted well to areas altered by humans. The bird is abundant, with an estimated population of 130 million birds. In many areas, the Mourning Dove is hunted as a [[game (food)|game bird]] for both sport and its flesh. Its plaintive ''woo-oo-oo-oo'' [[bird song|call]]<!--A redirect with potential--> is common throughout its range, as is the whistling of its wings as it takes flight. The species is a strong [[bird flight|flier]], capable of speeds up to 88 km/h (55 mph).
== Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu character list problems ==
Mourning Doves are light gray and brownish and generally muted in color. Males and females are similar in appearance. The species is generally monogamous, with two squabs (young) per [[offspring|brood]]. Both parents care for the young for a time. The species is a prolific breeder, and pairs will often have several broods per year. In warm areas, one pair may have up to six broods a year. Mourning Doves eat mainly seeds, including those of both native and introduced plants.
I feel it should be rewritten. It makes a lot of incorrect inferences/assumptions about the characters' romantic relations. I have personally read the first four novels in Japanese, so it bothered me to see things blatantly said like "Mikuru tries to supress her crush for Kyon" and "Kyon/Haruhi relationship". These things are not even clear/apparent four volumes into the series, so they should not be listed. {{unsigned|Puxank}}
:Hi! I don't know anything about this series, but please [[WP:SIG|sign your posts]]. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 03:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:Also, this should probably be discussed on the talk page for the series in question. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 03:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
==Taxonomy and distribution==
:All that I can really point you do in handling this is to point to [[WP:NOR]] and [[WP:WAF]]. In other words, fan speculation about relationships do not belong on an article. Also, articles about fiction should be written from an out-of-universe perspective. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 03:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Mourningdovesky.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Mourning Dove perched on a wire.]]
:[[Image:Scissor-for-paper.jpg|100px]] [[WP:BOLD|Go for it!]] Take the scissors to the cruft! --[[User:Kunzite|Kunzite]] 03:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mourning Dove has a large [[range (biology)|range]] of nearly 11 million square kilometers (6.8 million square miles).<ref name="Birdlife International">{{cite web | url= http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/index.html?action=SpcHTMDetails.asp&sid=2554&m=0 | title= Mourning Dove - BirdLife Species Factsheet | author= [[Birdlife International]]| accessdate=2006-10-08}}</ref> The species is resident throughout the [[Greater Antilles]], most of [[Mexico]], the [[Continental United States]],extreme southern [[Canada]] and Eastern [[Canada]] . Much of southern Canada and the extreme northern central United States sees these birds in summer, and Central America sees them in winter.<ref name="NRCS p2">{{cite web | url= http://www.sc.nrcs.usda.gov/intranet/Dick%20Yetter%20Information/Tech%20Notes%20for%20Web%20Site/Biology%20Tech%20Note_31_MourningDove.pdf |title=Mourning Dove ''(Zenaida macroura)''|format = PDF | page=2 | publisher=National Resources Conservation Services (NRCS) | work=Fish and Wildlife Habitat Management leaflet '''31''' | year=2006 |month=February |accessdate=2006-10-08}}</ref> The species is a [[Vagrancy (biology)|vagrant]] in northern Canada, Alaska,<ref name=Kaufman>{{cite book|title=Lives of North American Birds|author=Kenn Kaufman|year=1996|pages=293|publisher=Houghton Mifflin|id=ISBN 0-395-77017-3}}</ref> and South America.<ref name=AOU>{{cite web|work=A classification of the bird species of South America|author=South American Classification Committee
:Performed article split on the Character List. Still contains fancruft, needs clean-up, etc. With a bit of re-organization, it should be easier to remove/add material. [[User:KyuuA4|KyuuA4]]
American Ornithologists' Union|title=Part 3. Columbiformes to Caprimulgiformes|url=http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~remsen/SACCBaseline03.html|accessdate=2006-10-11}}</ref> There are very rare occurrences of this species in western Europe, such as the one report from Great Britain.<ref name="National Geographic">{{cite book|title=National Geographic Complete Birds of North America|pages=303|editor=Jonathan Alderfer||id=ISBN 0-7922-4175-4}}</ref> In 1963, the Mourning Dove was [[introduced species|introduced]] to [[Hawaii]]. As of 1998 there is a small population in [[North Kona, Hawaii|North Kona]].<ref name=Checklist224>{{cite web|url=http://www.aou.org/checklist/pdf/AOUchecklistPter-Apod.pdf|pages=224|title=Check-list of North American Birds|year=1998|publisher=[[American Ornithologists' Union]]|accessdate=2007-06-29}}</ref> Since the Socorro Dove was extirpated from [[Socorro Island|that island]], the Mourning Dove has started appearing there since at least 1988.<ref name=Checklist225>{{cite web|url=http://www.aou.org/checklist/pdf/AOUchecklistPter-Apod.pdf|pages=225|title=Check-list of North American Birds|year=1998|publisher=[[American Ornithologists' Union]]|accessdate=2007-06-29}}</ref>
The Mourning Dove occupies most possible habitats, including urban areas, farms, prairie, grassland, and lightly wooded areas. It avoids [[swamp]]s and thick [[forest]].<ref name="Kaufman"/>
== Battle of the planets/starwars ==
Most Mourning Doves [[bird migration|migrate]] along [[flyway]]s that are mainly over land. [[Spring (season)|Spring]] migration north runs late [[March (month)|March]] to May. [[Fall]] migration south runs from late August to November.<ref name="NRCS p2"/> Migration is usually during the day in flocks.<ref name=Kaufman/> Birds in Canada migrate the farthest, probably wintering in Mexico or further south. Those that spend the summer further south are more sedentary, with much shorter migrations. At the southern part of their range, Mourning Doves are present year-round.<ref name="National Geographic"/>
Somebody's edited one of the Anime pages to remove a sentence saying that Battle of the planets was made changed to be more space orientated when it was brought to the US as a result of the popularity of Star Wars.
The Mourning Dove is closely related to the [[Eared Dove]] (''Zenaida auriculata'') and the [[Socorro Dove]] (''Zenaida graysoni''). Some authorities describe them as forming a superspecies and these three birds are sometimes classified in the separate genus ''Zenaidura'',<ref name="AOU"/> but the current classification has them among the other species in the genus ''[[Zenaida]]''. In addition, the Socorro Dove has at times been considered conspecific with the Mourning Dove, although several differences in behavior, call, and appearance justify separation as two different species.<ref name=Checklist225/> While the three species do form a subgroup of ''Zenaida'', using a separate genus would interfere with the [[monophyly]] of ''Zenaida'' by making it [[paraphyly|paraphyletic]].<ref name="AOU"/>
This is true, but I don't have a linkable source to back it up. Does anybody else have one?
There are five [[subspecies]] of Mourning Dove:
[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 11:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
*Eastern ''Z. m. carolinensis'' (Linnaeus, 1766)
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*Clarion Island ''Z. m. clarionensis'' (C.H.Townsend, 1890)
*West Indian ''Z. m. macroura'' (Linnaeus, 1758)
*Western ''Z. m. marginella'' (Woodhouse, 1852)
*Panama ''Z. m. turturilla'' Wetmore, 1956
The ranges of most of the subspecies overlap a little, with three in the United States or Canada.<ref name="National Geographic"/> The West Indian subspecies is found throughout the [[Greater Antilles]].<ref name="NRCS p3">NRCS p3</ref> It has recently invaded the [[Florida Keys]].<ref name="National Geographic"/> The Eastern subspecies is found mainly in eastern North America, as well as [[Bermuda]] and the [[Bahamas]]. The Western subspecies is found in western North America and parts of Mexico. Most [[Canada|Canadian]] birds are also of the Western subspecies. The Panamanian subspecies is located in [[Central America]]. The Clarion Island subspecies is found only on [[Clarion Island]], just off the Pacific coast of Mexico.<ref name="NRCS p3"/>
Some IP user just went through and tagged a whole bunch of ''[[Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon]]'' images as being replaceable with freely available images. His contribs are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/60.53.2.95 here.] Since it is definitely not true that those could be replaced, do we really have to go through all the process of responding to his templates, or can we just revert it all? (And yes, most of those images need rationales. That's a different problem that we can deal with pretty easily.) --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 20:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mourning Dove is sometimes called the '''American Mourning Dove''' to distinguish it from the distantly related [[African Mourning Dove]] (''Streptopelia decipiens'').<ref name="AOU"/> It was also formerly known as the '''Carolina Turtledove''' or '''Carolina Pigeon'''.<ref name="Birds of America">{{cite book|title=[[Birds of America]]|author=[[John James Audubon]]|chapter=Plate CCLXXXVVI|url=http://www.abirdshome.com/Audubon/VolV/00506.html|accessdate=2006-10-18}}</ref> The species' scientific name was bestowed in 1838 by French zoologist Charles L. Bonaparte in honor of his wife, Princess Zénaide.<ref>"100 Birds and How They Got Their Names, by Diana Wells (Algonquin Books of Chapel Hill, 2002) p.193)</ref> The "mourning" part of its [[common name]] comes from its call.<ref name=Encyclopedia>{{cite encyclopedia|title=Pigeon|encyclopedia=Encarta Online|publisher=Microsoft|url=http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569160/Pigeon.html|accessdate=2007-02-17}}</ref>
:WOW thats alot of damage! ill see what i can do but well im not really sure on the fixing pictures stuff [[User:Maverick423|Maverick423]] 20:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
==Description==
::im sorry i dont know how to fix it =( i asked for help from a admin so hopefully we can get this fixed [[User:Maverick423|Maverick423]] 20:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Zenaida macroura1.jpg|200px|thumb|right|A Mourning Dove standing on a tree stump]]
The Mourning Dove is a medium-sized, slender dove approximately 31 [[centimeter|cm]] (12 [[inch|in]]) in length. The [[bird flight|elliptical wings]] are broad, and the head is rounded. Its tail is long and tapered. Mourning Doves have [[perching]] feet, with three toes forward and one reversed. The legs are short and reddish colored. The [[beak]] is short and darkish.<ref name="National Geographic"/>
:::Nah, it won't be too bad once we decide which course of action to take. I can fix it all myself, I'm just not sure which way would be best. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 20:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Zenaida_macroura_and_rule.jpg|200px|thumb|left|''Z. macroura'' composited with centimeter rule]]
Soooo....anyone have any advice? --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 17:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:Considering it's anon and not an established user who tags images regularly doing this, I'm guessing it's someone messing around with the images. Just tag it with the template that they aren't in violation of the fair use rules and I'm sure the admins that will check out the tags will sort it out. [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|walk]])</font> 19:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The [[plumage]] is generally light gray-brown and lighter and pinkish below. The wings have black spotting, and the outer tail [[feather]]s are white, contrasting with the black inners. Below the eye is a distinctive crescent-shaped area of dark feathers. The eyes are dark, with bluish skin surrounding them.<ref name="National Geographic"/> The adult male has bright purple-pink patches on the neck sides, with light pink coloring reaching the breast. Females are similar in appearance, but with more gray coloring. Juvenile birds have a scaly appearance, and are generally darker.<ref name="National Geographic"/>
::Okay. I snagged most of them, mainly the ones I recognized. I'm not sure about a few of the promo shots of real actors, though, because I don't know how those rules work. Could someone take a look? (They still have 'top' next to them in the guy's contribs). --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 19:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
This species' [[bird song|call]] is a distinctive, plaintive ''cooOOoo-coo-coo-coo''. In flight, the wings make a fluttery whistling sound.<ref name="National Geographic"/>
== CLAMP article requested move back to CLAMP ==
All five subspecies of the Mourning Dove look similar and are not easily distinguishable.<ref name="National Geographic"/> The nominate subspecies possesses shorter wings, and is darker and more buff-colored than the "average" Mourning Dove. ''Z. m. carolinensis'' has longer wings and toes, a shorter beak, and is darker in color. The Western subspecies has longer wings, a longer beak, shorter toes, and is more muted and lighter in color. The Panama Mourning Dove has shorter wings and legs, a longer beak, and is grayer in color. The Clarion Island subspecies possesses larger feet, a larger beak, and is darker brown in color.<ref name="NRCS p3"/>
Since this article is within the scope of this WikiProject, interested parties may wish to weigh in at [[Talk:Clamp (manga artists)]]. —[[User:Pfahlstrom|pfahlstrom]] 22:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
==Reproduction==
== Help in fixing You're Under Arrest ==
[[Image:Mourning_dove_mating.jpg|thumb|Mourning Doves mating]]
[[Courtship#Courtship in the animal kingdom|Courtship]] begins with a noisy flight by the male, followed by a graceful, circular glide with outstretched wings and head down. After landing, the male will approach the female with a puffed out breast, bobbing head, and loud calls. Mated pairs will often [[preening|preen]] each other's feathers.<ref name=Kaufman/>
The male then leads the female to potential nest sites, and the female will choose one. The female dove builds the nest. The male will fly about, gather material, and bring it to her. The male will stand on the female's back and give it to the female, who then builds it into the nest.<ref name=Cornell>{{cite web|url=http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Mourning_Dove_dtl.html|title=Mourning Dove|publisher=[[Cornell University|Cornell]] Lab of Ornithology|accessdate=2006-10-18}}</ref> The nest is constructed of twigs, [[Pinophyta#Foliage|conifer needle]]s, or [[Poaceae#Structure_and_growth|grass blades]], and is of very flimsy construction.<ref name="NRCS p3"/> These birds will sometimes requisition the unused nests of other Mourning Doves, other birds, or arboreal mammals like [[squirrel]]s.<ref name="NRCS p4">NRCS p. 4</ref>
I'm starting to put the [[You're Under Arrest]] section under cleanup. Can anyone step in and help me here? Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 03:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Most nests are in [[trees]], both deciduous and coniferous. Sometimes, they can be found in [[shrub]]s, [[vine]]s, or on artificial constructs like [[buildings]],<ref name="NRCS p3"/> or hanging flower pots.<ref name=Cornell/> When there is no suitable elevated object, Mourning Doves will nest on the ground.<ref name="NRCS p3"/>
the is a good thing for anime manga nicholas heffner[[User:Newkeyo|nicholas heffner]] 18:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The clutch size is almost always two [[egg (biology)|eggs]].<ref name=Cornell/> Sometimes, however, a female will lay her eggs in the nest of another pair.<ref name="NRCS p1">NRCS p. 1</ref> The eggs are small and white-colored. Both sexes incubate, the male from morning to afternoon, and the female at night and the rest of the day. Mourning Doves are devoted parents; nests are very rarely left unattended by their parents.<ref name=Cornell/>
== Infobox requests ==
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Hi, since we are doing a huge infobox round in WP Films and we sometimes find animangas with a Film infobox request, I'll drop here titles I find with missing animanga infobox and tell others to list here further requests. If you have a request template for it, please let me know. [[User:Hoverfish|Hoverfish]] <small>[[User talk:Hoverfish|Talk]]</small> 18:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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:I think our project has been pretty good at making sure articles have their infoboxes. There are a couple of messy stubs here and there that don't though. A bigger project is infoboxes that have stuff for only the anime (and not for the original manga or whatever). Also, apparently [[Red Shadow]] (I renamed it to [[Akakage]] since the series doesn't appear to have a English license) is actually on a ''character'', so I'm not ''quite'' sure if it needs the infoboxes or not. At the moment, it probably does, since it's seems to be trying to act as the main article for all of his appearances.--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 07:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Clarification of Notability of Individual Episodes of Anime ==
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According to what I read in [[WP:N]], individual eps of TV drama is not notable. Does that mean, individual eps of anime is also non-notable (unless there are other reasons)? And, as for current established individual ep articles, is it wise of have a blanket AfD for individual anime eps? --[[User:Samuel Curtis|Samuel Curtis<sup><font color="red">Shinichian-Hirokian</font></sup>]]-- <sub>[[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="#DD6600">TALK</font>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">CONTRIBS</font>]]</sub> 15:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
|[[Image:Mourning_Dove_Chicks_20060701.JPG|thumb|150px|Squabs|center]]
:Blanket AfD's suck. Period. [[User:Kyaa the Catlord|Kyaa the Catlord]] 17:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::My main question is whether articles for individual articles are automatically non-notable unless proven otherwise. --[[User:Samuel Curtis|Samuel Curtis<sup><font color="red">Shinichian-Hirokian</font></sup>]]-- <sub>[[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="#DD6600">TALK</font>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">CONTRIBS</font>]]</sub> 17:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::No, episodes are for the most part not-notable and probably should be included in a list. Blanket AfD's still suck. [[User:Kyaa the Catlord|Kyaa the Catlord]] 17:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::Over at [[WP:SM|WikiProject Sailor Moon]] we have found ourselves dealing with some 49 (out of 200) episode summaries that were written ages before our project started. The tack we've been taking so far has been to clean them up and make them high quality. Should we be deleting them instead? --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 18:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Export em to the Wikimoon [www.wikimoon.org], then merge them into a list most likely. [[User:Kyaa the Catlord|Kyaa the Catlord]] 18:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's against Wikipedia's [[GFDL]] license. Wikimoon's license is incompatible. --[[User:Kunzite|Kunzite]]
:::::::That's a shame. Wikimoon's episode entries are fabulous. [[User:Kyaa the Catlord|Kyaa the Catlord]] 19:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::We do have a [[List of Sailor Moon episodes]]. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 20:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Basically, here's the deal. If it looks like we'll never be able to have anything ''but'' a plot summary for these individual episode articles, then they need to be deleted. ''[[South Park]]'' can be allowed to have its episode articles because it's been shown that they're able to get production details and information on reception for some of them, see "[[Make Love, Not Warcraft]]". There may be a case for ''Sailor Moon'' episode articles being kept, since the changes being made to the dub versions are pretty notable, but that information might could be all merged into its own article and not all of the episodes were changed, so there's a bit of a pickle. However, since we're very unlikely to get anywhere beyond a plot summary for most anime episodes, most should probably be deleted. I'm not quite sure on my opinion on if series heavy on cultural references have a case for needing articles to explain that stuff though (''[[Genshiken]]'' would be one of those if it had episode articles).--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 06:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:It may be more prudent to redirect to a media/episode list before going to deletion. If the articles get restored, then put them up for discussion. --[[User:Kunzite|Kunzite]] 07:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::Is it feasible to merge all those articles though? The lists of media may violate [[WP:NOT#IINFO]] #7 anyway. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 10:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Previous attempts to delete lists of media per [[WP:NOT#IINFO]] #7 have failed miserably. But the other information provided by the lists means that the lists isn't ''solely a summary of that work's plot'', which is what [[WP:NOT#IINFO]] prohibits. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 11:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if its different for anime episodes vs. normal television episodes, but a consensus has bee reached to keep and expand normal TV eps, not delete or merge. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] 16:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:We ended up redirecting all the Sailor Moon articles to a better list with screenshots and mini-summaries, mainly because most of them were deeply mediocre. Wikimoon has good ones, so now we just link over there. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 17:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
== Japanese text in English articles ==
About a month ago I was cleaning up [[Nagaru Tanigawa]] and took out the Japanese text, replacing it with romaji. Someone's just put it back, but I'm not sure what the project consensus is here; Japanese for the article header seems like a good idea, but for the title of every book an author has written seems like overkill to me. Do we have a guideline or policy on this? [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 20:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:I generally see both given. Usually through the utilization of {{tl|nihongo}} to give uniform formatting. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 20:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, as long as the book doesn't have an article itself, it's fine to include the kanji in the list of books. If an article exists for the book, then the kanji/kana should be in that article instead. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I added {{tl|nihongo}} to the article and made some minor corrections. Btw, [[:ja:電撃!! イージス5|on ja.wiki]] there seems to be one more title for the ''Dengeki!! Aegis 5'' series: "MOEOHセレクション 後藤なお画集 GALAXY'S CHILD" ISBN 4840234108. However, I can't translate it. --[[User:Exairetos|Εξαίρετος]] ([[User talk:Exairetos|msg]]) 20:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::::That's an artbook, and probably shouldn't be on the writer's page. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 20:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
== Lists of fictional characters by series ==
Please comment in the discussion created at [[Wikipedia talk:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Lists of fictional characters by series]] as it concerns the naming of lists in [[:Category:Anime and manga characters by series]]--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 08:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
== Image copyright? ==
I've been working on an [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/masamage/senshifinal.png image] that explains the uniforms used in the ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' series. We're not sure we're going to use it yet, but does anyone know whether I'm allowed to release that as my own creation? Are costume designs copyrighted? What if they're based on [[sailor fuku|school uniforms]]? --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 02:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:I think it is copyright in the US but not in Japan. For example, people win cases in the US for using the likeness of another product. But in Japan, doujin artists make money off the likeness of another product. But I'm not qualified to give legal advice. --[[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind<small>ヴィルヴェルヴィント</small>]] ([[User_talk:Wirbelwind|talk]]) 03:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Dojinshi generally are copyright breaches under Japanese law, but Japanese culture is different form American culture so the big publishers are often far more willing to tolerate them than an American publisher would be (US companies are particularly brutal about copyright, far more so than companies in most other countries) so long as they don't get too big for their boots. Dojinshi help to raise the profile of character and to keep audiences interested between the releases of official publications and even help to keep interest in the official publications going long after they have stopped printing new stories. They are also watched by companies as a potential source of new talent (more than one Dojin artist has gone on to make it big in the pro circuit, members of Clamp for example).
[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 07:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:I think that image is enough of your own creation to qualify under Creative Commons or a similar license. You should make sure the information in it, however, is backed up by information found on other [[WP:RS|reliable sites]] so it's not considered [[WP:OR|original research]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 04:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::It is. ^_^ I'll include that all on the image page if I upload the thing. But I don't know much about liscenses; what would you suggest for something like this? CC? GNU? Both? I know the gist of each, but not the difference. And do free images of this sort get uploaded here or somewhere else? --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 04:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
OKAAAAAY
# Because you've drawn the image yourself rather than clipped it from a magazine), you can include it as a self generated image, even though the subject itself is copyright, based on fair use.
# You don't need to register it as your own work in order to include it. It's an object example of a costume warn by a fictional character, which means that it is covered by fair use there too.
[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 07:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
== Intensive Spellcheck ==
Are there any pages here that need extensive spell checks? If one does I will be happy to go through and correct them. [[User:Trainra|trainra]] 07:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:If there was a list, someone probably already got to it. It'd probably be most worthwhile if you went to random articles and formatted them according to [[WP:MOS]]. --[[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind<small>ヴィルヴェルヴィント</small>]] ([[User_talk:Wirbelwind|talk]]) 08:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
*[[WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] can pretty easily and quickly spell check if its needed. —'''[[User:Dark Shikari|<font color="#0000bb">Da<font color="#000066">rk<font color="#000022">•S</font>hik</font>ari</font>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Dark Shikari|[T]]]</sup> 10:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure what, if any assistance you're using but you're doing a good job trainra. If I remember correctly, [[Rurouni Kenshin]] had a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes, though someone may have fixed that by now. --[[User:Squilibob|Squilibob]] 10:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
== Anime Review Show ==
There is an online TV show produced by 15 year established industry production company. I feel it should be listed as a source on the anime article. The name of the show is AnimeTV. I would like to cite it as a reference source for anime.
--[[User:GroovyGal|GroovyGal]] 14:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:Please provide a link to the site. Also, what information are you wanting to use it to cite?--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 04:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::Based on his edit history, he appears to be just a spammer. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 14:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Huh? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=GroovyGal It just appears that he likes AnimeTV is all.] He may have a personal investment in said site, but he doesn't seem like a spammer to me. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] ([[User talk:SeizureDog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SeizureDog|contribs]]) 14:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
::::The thing is that his edits have been solely about AnimeTV or promoting AnimeTV on Wikipedia. Whether he is directly connected or an overenthusiastic fan, it is still spamming. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 17:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::It still seems a little rude to call him a spammer when he has so few edits. Hell, he's only "spammed" ''one'' other article that wasn't [[AnimeTV]] so far.--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 19:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
== Help indentify these anime/manga references? ==
[http://eqmm.com/genshiken/g.jpg See this image]. It shows the cast of ''[[Genshiken]]'', and they appear to all be cosplaying. The problem is, I can't figure out as ''what''. The only one I can figure out is Kuchiki as [[Lupin III]] but the rest I have no clue. The problem is that most of them look so damn ''normal''. If Madarame hadn't been so completely out of character with his ghetto look, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. So anyways, a little help here?--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 11:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:Actually, now that I stare at it, even the Lupin reference might be wrong. I thought that yellow purse was he's yellow tie, and Lupin doesn't seem to wear a hat ever. He's also, for some reason, wearing a scarf. Ugh, stupid thing. Still, the way Madarame is depicted makes me certain that it's a reference to ''something''. I just have no idea what.--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 12:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::Could they be imitating styles rather than specific characters? Because I don't recognize them either. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 16:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty damn sure they'd be spoofing something in particular, as there are some super vague references made in that series. Such as the ''[[December When There Is No Angel]]'' doujinshi visable in the bottom-left corner of the background in [http://animeclick.lycos.it/prove/serie/Genshiken/Genshiken15.jpg this screenshot]. Obviously, you have to be insanely otaku to catch some of these (I'm amazed I spotted that one), and it's especially hard for us non-Japanese to get them. --[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 04:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
== Help about Content Dispute arguments made in Japanese ==
It seemed the Japanese Wiki dispute about whether [[Case Closed|Detective Conan]] has plagiarized some other work has spread to the English Wikipedia; See [[Talk:Case Closed#Vandalism?]]. The main issue is, this, and other several talk threads surrounding this issue (mainly on [[User talk:1523]]) are mainly in Japanese, hence me, as a non-Japanese editor, cannot fully participate in the dispute (I plan to have a RfC on this issue.). I would like some J/E translations of the discussions here, thanks!--[[User:Samuel Curtis|Samuel Curtis<sup><font color="red">Shinichian-Hirokian</font></sup>]]-- <sub>[[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="#DD6600">TALK</font>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">CONTRIBS</font>]]</sub> 02:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:I just read through all that stuff, so I suppose I should say something. Most of it is really just not worth translating -- bickering back and forth over semantics. The Japanese page on the Picasso-kun novels is the most informative summary of the issue, but frankly, the entire thing doesn't seem worth including. Funazaki grumbled a little, but showed no inclination to take the issue to court, and the similarities he described are all extremely common motifs in manga. As it stands now, I don't see how it's notable. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 02:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
::But are there any [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] issues? --[[User:Samuel Curtis|Samuel Curtis<sup><font color="red">Shinichian-Hirokian</font></sup>]]-- <sub>[[User Talk:Samuel Curtis|<font color="#DD6600">TALK</font>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Samuel_Curtis|<font color="green">CONTRIBS</font>]]</sub> 10:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
::I think it's worth mentioning briefly (perhaps 1-2 sentences at most), but that's all the mention it needs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 15:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
== Merging [[:Category:Anime by genre]] and [[:Category:Manga by genre]] ==
I have brought this here rather than directly to [[WP:CfD]] because standardization discussions are better dealt with by a normal discussion format rather than a timed debate.
At present we have two very nearly identical sets of categories, [[:Category:Anime by genre]] and [[:Category:Manga by genre]]. The subcategories contained within these systems are all redundant to one another, and result in immense category bloat on pages like [[Elfen Lied]] where we have lists like "Drama anime | Drama manga | Horror anime | Horror manga | Romance anime | Romance manga | Science fiction anime | Science fiction manga | Seinen". If we were to merge the two categories together, that number could be cut in half. I propose the creation of [[:Category:Anime and manga by genre]] and subdivision system "''GENRE'' anime and manga" for the individual subcats.
Is there any reason to keep the two divided seperately that outweighs the category bloat it creates? --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 00:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Not all anime have a manga, and not all manga have an anime. In the example above, there are obviously too many genre being used (I'd buy comedy long before romance) and the bloat could easily be taken care of by splitting the manga and anime off into separate pages. Lack of information on the manga is the only reason this hasn't happened. But even on pages where the category bloat exists, I fail to see how creating a set of categories that do not distinguish between entirely different mediums solves anything. Especially given the growing number of anime based on novels. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 00:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::Wait, are you suggesting we split the manga and anime into different articles for Elfen Lied despite the lack of substantial difference between them? That's just silly. As for your other complaint, that's like saying that a category "Fooian men and women" must contain only conjoined hermaphrodite twins because otherwise the members aren't technically both "men ''and'' women". Not everything in the category needs to be both a manga and an anime, just one or the other. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 00:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::It can't be split now, no. Not until the manga is actually translated. But anime and manga are very different, and shouldn't be grouped together. And I'd rather see them grouped only under the original medium rather than grouped under a catch-all -- but ultimately, my point was that rather than create a less accurate category for the sake of convenience, we should be more selective about how many categories something gets filed under. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 01:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::::(Why would we want to split a [[WP:GA]] in the first place?) I agree that the redundant genre categories are a bit of a mess anyway, but isn't that even more reason to condense them? As for only grouping under original medium, that's rather arbitrary. If both drama anime and drama manga exist, categorizing an anime/manga under only one will rightfully seem silly and the other will be added by another editor. By the way, I'm going to link this discussion from [[WP:OVERCAT]] since it also falls under their interests. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 01:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::(Assuming the manga additions made the article too long, of course.) I think I've been rather unfocused in my responses -- I was trying to propose other solutions, but I think I just muddied the waters. Basically, I don't see that there's a major problem, and I like your solution less than the problem as it stands. Manga and anime are not the same, and should not be in the same category. Books and movies aren't, and neither are any other examples of artistic works that have been adapted into multiple medium. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 01:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::We already do this in other cases. I direct your attention to, for instance, [[:Category:Anime and manga characters by series]], which exists to hold character categories and lists in one condensed mass rather than being in two near-identical categories of [[:Category:Anime characters by series]] and [[:Category:Manga characters by series]]. There are other examples, as the prefix index shows[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=Category%3AAnime+and+manga&namespace=0]. Anime and manga may technically be different, but for the purposes of category organization they do not need to be seperated except in a few cases where the purpose is to explicitly distinguish between those two mediums. [[WP:CVG]] did a similar thing recently, changing their previous conventions of "Computer and video games" to just "Video games" because there was no need to make the distinction within their categories. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 02:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::(Akk, indentation!) There's a huge difference, bewteen CVG changing to VG, and this. Computer games ARE video games. It's like if someone said "anime and cartoons", as anime ARE cartoons. Noone would ever think to group comics and cartoons together as a catagory, would they, except, POSSIBLY, under a third main qualifier. I'm not proposing for a split of this project or anything, as certainly manga and anime are worth tying together as a project, but they are still fully seperate things.
:::::::All that said, I would not be opposed to the merger, as I agree sometimes overcatagorizing is out of hand (ever looked at a baseball page?), but at least make the correct argument... [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] 03:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
'''Solution:''' Keep the manga by genre and anime by genre categories ''and'' create anime and manga by genre categories. The categories would then work like so:
*''[[Believers]]'' would use [[:Category:Drama manga]]
*''[[Onkyo Seimeitai Noiseman]]'' would use [[:Category:Fantasy anime]]
*''[[Genshiken]]'' would use [[:Category:Comedy anime and manga]]
Make sense?--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 04:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Ugh, I was wondering how long until someone else had that particular "bright idea". I thought of it myself, but then realized it was even worse. Now not only did you just make another 30+ cats but [[:Category:Drama anime and manga]] is now a member of both [[:Category:Drama manga]] and [[:Category:Drama anime]], and [[Fate/stay night]] is now in [[:Category:Fantasy anime, manga, and visual novels]] which is in turn in [[:Category:Fantasy anime]], [[:Category:Fantasy manga]], and [[:Category:Fantasy visual novels]], and [[:Category:Fantasy visual novels]] is in [[:Category:Fantasy video games]]. Making comprehensive sets of nested category intersections is a [[Bad Thing]]. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 04:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::This is a bit sidetracked, but... Elfenlied is a romance? The anime, maybe a bit. The manga? Maybe proper categorization of genres would help more. --[[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind<small>ヴィルヴェルヴィント</small>]] ([[User_talk:Wirbelwind|talk]]) 05:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Harem series are romance by default. You raise a good point there as well though, since pretty much every anime ever contains both comedy and romance to the point where it's hardly worth saying. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 05:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Then we could class it as harem and imply romance and comedy! Go me. --[[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind<small>ヴィルヴェルヴィント</small>]] ([[User_talk:Wirbelwind|talk]]) 05:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::We don't have a category for that already? Amazing. Probably because some people get really pissy if you call their series "harem" because they think it's negative. For an instance of where you could get into a giant fight over it, [[Higurashi no naku koro ni]]. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 06:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Wow, life really DOES imitate fiction, doesn't it? :) [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] 11:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::And drama should only be used if there isn't another genre to place something in. We could take care of this overcategorizing problem in no time by simple being more selective the the genres used. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 08:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::We're not going to make genre categories for visual novels, simply because that would be really, really stupid (they're almost all romance). And once again, I wish there was a good term for anime and manga together. I guess [[:Category:Japanese comedy media franchise]] sounds a bit stupid now doesn't it?--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 05:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, there's "Animanga", but that's rather idiotic sounding to my ears. (Wouldn't "Japanese comedy media franchise" include those creepy gameshows they have as well?) As for the visual novel categories, yes they're nearly all romance but they're often romance and something else (fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural, etc.) and if nothing else they could deserve inclusion in the video game genre cats. Speaking of which, that would give us even more potential intersections... [[Pokemon|Category:Fantasy video game, anime, manga, card game, action figure line, and jet liner paintjob]] anyone? --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 06:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
::::The reason manga and anime can be merged into the same categories is because they share the same genres. Video games use an entirely different set of genres (visual novels are consider a genre more than a medium). Same applies to card games and all of those other examples.--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 07:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I was making a joke with that last comment. It did have a purpose, however: Showing how absurd miniscule sub-categorized intersections can get. (For the worst real example I can think of, at one point we had a [[:Category:Fictional Black African-American DC animated Superheroes with the power to manipulate electricity]]) --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:Tjstrf|talk]]</small> 07:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
== External links ==
I've decided to borrow some experience from the Russian WikiProject Anime and made a single template to display uniform links to five most commonly linked web-sites in the anime articles. The thing is called {{tl|anime-links}} and it intends to replace the previously manual addition of external links. Code and documentation improvement suggestions are welcome (please, post them on the template talk page). :) --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] <sup>[[User talk:Koveras|☭]]</sup> 15:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:Bad idea. That's potentially way too many somewhat pointless external links -- see [[WP:EL]] [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] 15:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think they're pointless, ANN for instance is often a good reference; but still I don't like the idea very much. Generally the same article covers manga, anime, OVA, and much more, so while some of the links would be covered by the template, the others would have to be added manually anyway. Take [[Rurouni Kenshin#External links]] as an example; 3 out of 6 links could be managed by the template, but the two additional links to ANN would be left outside of it. --[[User:Exairetos|Εξαίρετος]] ([[User talk:Exairetos|msg]]) 15:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Formatted the RK links with the template. AFAIK the only large English web-site that broadly covers manga is ANN, so there is not sense in having an extra template for it as long as we have {{tl|ann manga}}. Oh, and to my knowledge, the number of pointless links in RK article hasn't increased any. ;) --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] <sup>[[User talk:Koveras|☭]]</sup> 16:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
== Free use emotions image ==
[[Image:Manga emotions.jpg|300px|right]]
I noticed [[User:Beyond silence]] has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manga&curid=18985&diff=117765286&oldid=117761712 found] us a great free use image, [[:Image:Manga emotions.jpg]]. Anyone up for making one with English labels? I might be able to do it myself if I have time before work today, but I thought I would mention it here anyways just to let people know we have another great free-use image. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 15:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
* Thank you, I glad if I can help and you like it. I 'm sorry, I don't speaking german (it looks like german, is'nt it? :)) --[[User:Beyond silence|Beyond silence]] 15:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't speak German either, but it seems quite easy. Clockwise from top-left: neutral, euphoric, happy, sad, perplex, pouting, disappointed, angry. Although the pouting one looks angry too, and the angry one looks just serious to me. --[[User:Exairetos|Εξαίρετος]] ([[User talk:Exairetos|msg]]) 15:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::: "Zufrieden" is more like "content" than "happy" but in this case, it's no big difference. :) --[[User:Koveras|Koveras]] <sup>[[User talk:Koveras|☭]]</sup> 19:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah. Dictionary gives me "content" for that one, and nothing at all for "schmollend". --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 19:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[[de:wikt:lächeln]], the wiktionary entry for the German word "to smile", lists schmollen as being its antonym. Given that pouting is one of the several faces that are antonymous with smiling, I'd think pouting would be an accurate caption. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:tjstrf|talk]]</small> 20:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:Just thought to check, and [[wikt:pout]] confirms this, schmollen is listed as a German synonym. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:tjstrf|talk]]</small> 20:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
* Than who sure he knows update the picture, or writing to the Summary the meanings! Thanks --[[User:Beyond silence|Beyond silence]] 09:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:* Done. English version is now at [[:Image:Manga emotions-EN.jpg]]. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:tjstrf|talk]]</small> 00:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why didn't you just upload it over the original version? --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 01:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Germans are people to. It's a commons image, not just for en.wiki, so people on other projects like de.wiki may be using it where German would make more sense than English would. de.wiki has some asinine "no fair use images, AT ALL" policy, so they need all the free illustrations they can get. --[[User:tjstrf|tjstrf]] <small>[[User talk:tjstrf|talk]]</small> 01:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
== Selected Series ==
Just a quick question about the Selected Series on the main page of the Anime and Manga Portal. I apologise if it has already been answered before.
[[Avian incubation|Incubation]] takes approximately two weeks. Mourning Doves are strongly [[altricial]], with the young, called squabs, being helpless at hatching and covered with [[down feathers|down]].<ref name="Cornell"/> Both parents feed the squabs [[crop milk|pigeon's milk]] (dove's milk) for the first few days of life. The crop milk is gradually augmented by seeds and adult foods. [[Fledging]] takes place in about 11–15 days, before the squabs are fully grown but after they are capable of digesting adult food.<ref name="NRCS p4"/> They will stay nearby to be fed for up to a few weeks after fledging.<ref name=Kaufman/>
Who chooses the Selected Series? Under the link "More Selected Series," am I allowed to choose a series for, say, Week 20? Or is that decided elsewhere? And by whom?
Mourning Doves are prolific breeders. In warmer areas, these birds may raise up to six broods in a season.<ref name="Kaufman"/> This fast breeding is essential for the survival of the species as mortality is high. Each year, mortality can reach 58% a year for adults and 69% for the young.<ref name="NRCS p1"/>
Thanks. --[[User:Mintpie|Mintpie]] 03:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mourning Dove is monogamous and forms strong pair bonds.<ref name="NRCS p1"/> Pairs typically reconvene in the same area the following breeding season, or sometimes may remain together throughout the winter. However, lone doves will find new partners if necessary.
:It use to be whatever was the AMCOTW the previous week. But with the abandonment of the AMCOTW, we haven't set up a formal selection process. I would suggest that we create a nomination page where we can vote as to which article will be the "Selected series" and "Selected biography" each week. We really shouldn't be having people putting in articles without oversight just because [[WP:THEYLIKEIT]]. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 11:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
==Ecology and behaviour==
== Waiting on GAC ==
[[Image:Mourning Dove-27527.jpg|200px|thumb|right|A Mourning Dove perched on a tree branch.]]
Mourning Doves eat almost exclusively [[seed]]s, which make up more than 99% of their diet. Rarely, they will eat [[snail]]s or [[insect]]s. Mourning Doves generally eat enough to fill their [[crop (anatomy)|crops]] and then fly away to digest while resting. They often swallow grit such as fine [[gravel]] or [[sand]] to assist with [[digestion]]. The species usually forages on the ground, including at [[bird feeder]]s.<ref name="Kaufman"/> At bird feeders, Mourning Doves are attracted to one of the largest ranges of seed types of any North American bird, with a preference for corn, [[millet]], [[safflower]], and [[sunflower]] seeds. Mourning Doves do not dig or scratch for seeds, instead eating what is readily visible.<ref name="NRCS p3"/> They will sometimes perch on plants and eat from there.<ref name=Kaufman/>
If anyone feels like doing an anime-related review, [[Ami Mizuno]] has been a [[WP:GAC|good article candidate]] for nearly three weeks. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 22:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Mourning Doves show a preference for the seeds of certain species of plant over others. Foods taken in preference to others include [[pine]] nuts, [[sweetgum]] seeds, and the seeds of [[pokeberry]], [[amaranth]], [[canary grass]], [[maize|corn]], [[sesame seed|sesame]], and [[wheat]].<ref name="NRCS p3"/> When their favorite foods are absent, Mourning Doves will eats the seeds of other plants, including [[buckwheat]], [[rye]], [[goosegrass]] and [[smartweed]].<ref name="NRCS p3"/>
==Joining==
Hey where do I go to join the WikiProject Anime and Manga, as I love anime and manga, and would like to help aid in wikipedia's side of anime and manga.
Mourning Doves can be afflicted with several different [[parasite]]s and [[animal diseases|diseases]], including [[tapeworm]]s, [[nematode]]s, [[mite]]s, and [[bird louse|lice]]. The mouth-dwelling parasite ''[[Trichomonas gallinae]]'' is particularly severe. While a Mourning Dove will sometimes host it without symptoms, it will often cause yellowish growth in the mouth and esophagus that will eventually [[starvation|starve]] the host to death. [[Avian pox]] is a common, insect-[[vector (biology)|vectored]] disease.<ref name="NRCS p6">NRCS p. 6</ref>
Thanks - [[User:Cocopopz2005|Cocopopz2005]] 03:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The primary predators of this species are diurnal [[bird of prey|birds of prey]], such as [[falcon]]s and [[hawk]]s. During nesting, [[corvid]]s, [[grackle]]s, [[housecat]]s, or [[rat snake]]s will prey on their eggs.<ref name="NRCS p1"/> [[Cowbird]]s rarely [[brood parasitism|parasitize]] Mourning Dove nests. Mourning Doves reject slightly under a third of Cowbird eggs in such nests, and the Mourning Dove's vegetarian diet is unsuitable for cowbirds.<ref name="Peer and Bollinger">{{cite web | url= http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v115n04/p1057-p1062.pdf | title= Rejection of Cowbird eggs by Mourning Doves: A manifestation of nest usurpation? | format=PDF | work=[[The Auk]] | date= October 1998 | author= Brian Peer | coauthors= Eric Bollinger | accessdate=2006-10-27}}</ref>
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==Conservation status==
==Labeling light novels with shonen or shojo==
The number of individual Mourning Doves is estimated by [[Birdlife International]] to be around 130 million. The large population, as well as its vast range, are the reasons why the Mourning Dove is considered to be of [[least concern]], meaning that the species is not at immediate risk.<ref name="Birdlife International"/> As a [[game (food)|gamebird]], the Mourning Dove is well-managed, with roughly 45 million shot by hunters each year.<ref name="National Geographic"/> There is some evidence of a decline in western areas of its range.<ref name=Cornell/>
I've been having a discussion with [[User talk:ChuChu]] about applying the [[Shonen]] and [[Shōjo]] genre labels to light novels. It's my feeling that these terms are almost never used with light novels. But both of us are basing our opinions on instinct and whatever evidence we could find, so I figured it was worth asking for a third opinion, particularly if there are any native Japanese speakers here. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 21:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:If they are marked that way on the JA wiki, or the JA wiki article talks about it, then I'm fine with it. Also, if it's a series of novels related to a shōnen or shōjo manga/anime series, then it should be labeled appropriately. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 21:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:Genres are one of the most original researched areas of anime articles on Wikipedia. It would be good to find reliably published sources before labeling any anime, manga, or light novel as falling within a particular genre. And even if we do sources, editors all too often change them or create their own genres. Such as when someone created "Western anime" and put [[Trigun]] into it when the cat is a [[neologism]] and putting any anime or manga into such a cat constitutes clear original research. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 21:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The species does very well in areas altered by humans. As settlers and immigrants cleared the forests that once blanketed much of North America and started growing crops, new habitats for the Mourning Dove opened up.<ref name="Kaufman"/> It is one of the most common birds in North America.
:Because my English skill is poor, I post on facts. There are terms such as {{nihongo|'shonen novel'|少年小説|shōnen shōsetsu}}, {{nihongo|'shojo novel'|少女小説|shōjo shōsetsu}}, {{nihongo|'light novel for boys'|少年向けライトノベル|shōnen muke raito noberu}} and {{nihongo|'light novel for girls'|少女向けライトノベル|shōjo muke raito noberu}}. However, I don't know why, but I have never heard terms such as {{nihongo|'shonen light novel'|少年ライトノベル|shōnen raito noberu}} and {{nihongo|'shojo light novel'|少女ライトノベル|shōjo raito noberu}}. I hope you find it informative.--[[User:Swind|Swind]] 03:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
:I still hate these "target market genres". I would rather we just do away with them. They're too far reaching and ambiguous. Confusing case in point: [[Shojo Beat]] is marketed towards girls 16+. But wait, isn't that more along the lines of [[josei]]? which is aimed at "late teenage and adult female audiences"?--[[User:SeizureDog|SeizureDog]] 23:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::[[Shinigami no Ballad]] is down a seinen, for some reason. But the manga is shojo...they aren't genres anyway. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 23:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
==As a symbol and in the arts==
Regardless of whether we like or dislike the labels, if you go into any bookstore (used or new) in Japan you'll find manga separated first by target audience: very young kids, shōjo, josei, shōnen, seinen, and adult (what is called "hentai" outside of Japan). They are then sorted by publisher and/or author. We call them genres because we lack any other translation and "genre" covers it rather well. In Japan, the only thing that matters is what the manga was originally published in. That's what determines the "genre". For anime, it's a little bit harder. You can generally tell by the marketing for the anime, though some are harder to tell than others. And, since most of us aren't in Japan, it's a little harder for us to see that marketing.
The Eastern Mourning Dove (''Z. m. carolinensis'') is [[Wisconsin]]'s official [[symbol]] of peace.<ref name="Wisconsin">{{cite web|author=Government of Wisconsin|url=http://www.wisconsin.gov/state/core/wisconsin_state_symbols.html|title=State Symbols|accessdate=2006-10-22}}</ref> However, it is ironically also legal to hunt the Mourning Dove in Wisconsin.<ref name="Hunt">{{cite web|author=Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources|url=http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/hunt/dove/index.htm|title=Mourning Dove|accessdate=2007-07-11}}</ref> The bird is also [[Michigan]]'s state bird of peace.<ref name="USA Today">{{cite news | title= Dove hunting finds place on Mich. ballot | author= Tamara Audi |url= http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-16-dove-hunting_x.htm | publisher= [[USA Today]] | accessdate=2006-10-25|date=2006-10-16}}</ref>
[[Image:Audubon carolina pigeon.jpg|thumb|Audubon's Carolina pigeon]]
The Mourning Dove appears, as the Carolina Turtle-Dove, on plate 286 of [[John James Audubon|Audubon]]'s ''[[Birds of America]]''.<ref name="Birds of America"/> A painting of the Mourning Dove is part of the [[United States Fish and Wildlife Service]]'s [[Wildlife Portrait Series]].
==References==
So, I propose that for manga, we go by the magazine it was originally published in. For anime, I propose that we generally go by (first) the manga it was based on and (second) the marketing target audience if there is no original manga series. This should cover everything. I think the largest obstacle will be convincing people that shows like ''[[Magical Star Magical Emi]]'' and ''[[Angelic Layer]]'' are not shōjo. (^_^)
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So, how to apply this to light novels? I think the same criteria can be applied, as many light novels were originally serialized in shōjo-, josei-, shōnen-, and seinen-targeted magazines. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 05:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
==External links==
:We could call it a classification, but that would involve making an additional line for the infobox.
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:Most light novels are not serialized in any magazines, and the ones that are serialized often are serialized in magazines with a much less specific target audience. Dengeki HP, for example, is male oriented, but aimed at an otaku audience, which means the shonen and seinen labels don't apply. I think.
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:Also, if you go into any Japanese bookstore you'll find the light novels all grouped together by line -- at most, the books for girls will be on one side and the books for boys will be on the other.
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:I'd just as soon apply the labels only when there is a manga adaption that can be clearly labeled as one or the other, and not have the label applied when the classification is unclear or confusing. We don't need to classify every title with one of these, and for titles with unclear or contradictory just stick with regular genres. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 08:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
*[http://www.dlia.org/atbi/species/Animalia/Chordata/Aves/Columbiformes/Columbidae/Zenaida_macroura.shtml More detailed information about breeding/nesting habits]
*[http://www.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/especie.phtml?idEspecie=1829 Mourning Doves on the Internet Bird Collection]
*[http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3160id.html USGS page]
*[http://www.birds.cornell.edu/BOW/MOUDOV/ Information from Cornell Lab of Ornithology]
*[http://www.sdakotabirds.com/species/mourning_dove_info.htm South Dakota Birds page]
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:::I agree with your last paragraph: if it's not clearly shōjo, shōnen, etc., then it shouldn't be labeled as such. Regular genres would then apply. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 03:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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:: It doesn't matter what the manga is, Shinigami no Ballad is a shounen light novel and not shoujo. Its not the first time a publisher allows a shoujo manga adaptation of a male oriented light novel. light novels are published under certain labels, and those labels are aimed at certain audience just like comic imprints (Shounen Magazine Comics, Young Jump Comics, Jets Comics, and lots of other comic imprints) are aimed at a certain audience. light novels don't have to be serialized in a certain magazine for us to know if they are for males or females.
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:: Most light novel labels are aimed at teenagers and above thats one of the reasons why light novels are either "for shounen" or "for shoujo". Dengeki HP light novels gets published under the shounen label Dengeki Bunko and so they are shounen light novels.
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:: There are general labels, but light novels from Dengeki Bunko and Sneaker Bunko and other male oriented light novel lables (GA Bunko, MF Bunko, ...) are not hard to classify, these are labels for teenage males and above, shounen light novels but not shoujo nor josei.
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:: As you can see in this link: http://www.koubundo.net/tenpo/honten.html on floor B1 shounen novels and shoujo novels are seperated just like shounen manga and shoujo manga are seperated into their own section.
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:: If a manga gets based on shounen light novels and that manga is shoujo manga, the light novel does not become "for shoujo" just because there's a shoujo manga based on the light novel. [[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]] 09:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Except there is no such term is a shonen light novel. Read Swind's comments above -- he's a native Japanese speaker, and confirms my theory that the usage of the word shonen in relation to light novels simply suggests male oriented, and does not carry the same meanings as it does with manga. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 20:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yeah exactly, male oriented light novels.
:::: Shounen muke light novels and shounen light novels are light novels for males. there's no difference between these terms. Just as shounen muke manga and shounen manga are the same. [[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]] 21:21, 30 March 2007
:::::Shonen does not mean male oriented. It refers to an age group specifically. And the term is not used with light novels. Native Japanese speakers have confirmed this. What more proof do you need? [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 21:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Shounen does not mean male oriented, yes I know, you don't have to tell me that, but it is used to refer to male oriented light novels, because they are aimed at teenage males and above. [[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]] 21:49, 30 March 2007
::::::: I'm not trying to be rude. But since my point is that it isn't used with light novels the way you're using it, and you apparently don't believe me...I mean, we could do "Yes, it is." "No, it isn't," all day, but it's not going to accomplish anything. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 23:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) This whole argument is over one person's [[WP:NOR|original research]] verses another person's original research. If you can't find a reliable published source to [[WP:ATT|ATTribute]] which genres a work belongs to, then those genres shouldn't be listed on the article. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's not original research, except in cases where it's not clear (see my last comment above). Read any book about manga, and you'll see these genres, classifications, or whatever-we-want-to-call-them used and discussed often. All they are is a way the publishers specify who the target audience is. Keep in mind that this doesn't always mean that's who the audience actually is, but that it's the ''target''. I know plenty of males who like ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' (manga and anime), and plenty of females who just love ''[[Inu Yasha]]'', but they are still classified by the publishers as shōjo and shōnen (respectively). I agree with Doceirias, however, that we should limit the use of the classifications to those that are very clearly one or the other (based on the original magazine in which they were published, for example). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkblue">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 03:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::So what should we do in the case of, say, [[Missing (novel)|Missing]], where the discussion began? [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 17:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:::See my previous comment. Anything more would be original research. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 19:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::That still doesn't preclude providing reliable publish sources stating that an anime/manga/light novel X is a particular genre. The same goes for stating what it's target audience is. Anything less then that '''is''' original research, regardless of how you try to justify it. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 19:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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