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It is frequently the last day of the summer season in the [[Northern Hemisphere]], and the last day of the winter season in the [[Southern Hemisphere]].
 
==Events==
Minor technical problem: the picture of the iPod shuffle covers some of the text. I would fix it, But I have limited experience with Wikipedia notation. Any more expreienced wikipedians wanna take care of it? -- [[User:Comrade009|Comrade009]]
* [[66]] - [[Emperor]] [[Nero]] creates the [[Roman legion|legion]] [[Legio I Italica|I Italica]].
:Looks fine to me. could be your browser. -[[User:Adjusting|Adjusting]] 07:44, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
*[[1236]] - The [[Lithuanians]] and [[Semigallians]] defeat the [[Livonian Brothers of the Sword]] in [[Battle of the Sun|Battle of Šiauliai]].
*[[1499]] - [[Switzerland]] became an independent state.
*[[1586]] - The [[battle of Zutphen]] occurs.
*[[1598]] - [[Ben Jonson]] is indicted for [[manslaughter]].
*[[1692]] - Last [[Salem witch trials|people]] hanged for [[witchcraft]] in the [[United States]].
*[[1776]] - [[Nathan Hale]] is hanged for spying during [[American Revolution]].
*[[1784]] - [[Russia]] establishes a [[colony]] at [[Kodiak, Alaska]].
*[[1789]] - The position of [[United States Postmaster General]] established.
*[[1792]] - ''primidi [[Vendémiaire]]'' of year 1 of the [[French Republican Calendar]]
*[[1851]] - The city of [[Des Moines, Iowa]] was incorporated as Fort Des Moines.
*[[1862]] - [[Slavery in the United States]]: A preliminary version of the [[Emancipation Proclamation]] is released.
*[[1866]] - Decisive [[battle of Curupaity]] in the [[War of the Triple Alliance]].
*[[1869]] - [[Richard Wagner]]'s [[opera]] ''[[Das Rheingold]]'' debuts in [[Munich]].
*[[1885]] - [[Lord Randolph Churchill]] makes a speech in [[Ulster]] in opposition to [[Home Rule]] e.g. "Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right".
*[[1893]] - The first [[United States|America]]n-built [[automobile]], built by the [[Duryea Brothers]], is displayed.
*[[1896]] - [[Victoria of the United Kingdom|Queen Victoria]] surpasses her grandfather [[George III of the United Kingdom|King George III]] as the longest reigning [[British monarchy|monarch]] in [[United Kingdom|British]] history.
*[[1908]] - The [[independence]] of [[Bulgaria]] is recognised.
*[[1919]] - The [[steel strike of 1919]], led by the [[Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers]], begins in [[Pennsylvania]] before spreading across the [[United States]].
*[[1927]] - [[Jack Dempsey]] loses the [[The Long Count Fight|Long Count]] [[boxing]] match to [[Gene Tunney]].
*[[1934]] - An explosion takes place at [[Gresford]] Colliery in [[Wales]], leading to the deaths of 266 miners and rescuers.
*[[1937]] - [[Spanish Civil War]]: [[Peña Blanca]] is taken; the end of the [[Battle of El Mazuco]].
*[[1941]] - On [[Jewish]] New Year Day, [[Germany|German]] [[SS]] murder 6,000 [[Jews]] in [[Vinnytsya]], [[Ukraine]]. Those were the survivors of the previous killings that took place a few days earlier in which about 24,000 [[Jews]] were executed.
*[[1944]] - [[World War II]], [[Red Army]] enters [[Tallinn]].
*[[1951]] - The first live sporting event seen coast-to-coast in the [[United States]], a college [[American football|football]] game between [[Duke University|Duke]] and the [[University of Pittsburgh]], is televised on [[NBC]].
*[[1955]] - In [[United Kingdom|Britain]], the television channel [[ITV]] goes [[live television|live]] for the first time.
*[[1959]] - In [[Chicago]], air raid sirens are sounded at 10:30 PM for five minutes, causing residents of the city and nearby suburbs to fear the start of a nuclear war. The [[Chicago White Sox]] had just won the American League pennant, their first pennant in 40 years, and city officials had ordered the sounding in celebration.
*[[1960]] - The [[Sudanese Republic]] is renamed [[Mali]] after the withdrawal of [[Senegal]] from the [[Mali Federation]].
*[[1964]]- The [[Broadway theatre|Broadway]] musical [[Fiddler on the Roof]] first opens.
*[[1965]] - The [[Indo-Pakistani War of 1965]] between [[India]] and [[Pakistan]] over [[Kashmir]] ends after the [[United Nations|UN]] calls for a [[cease-fire]].
*[[1970]] - [[Tunku Abdul Rahman]] resigns as [[Prime Minister]] of [[Malaysia]].
*[[1975]] - [[Sara Jane Moore]] tries to assassinate [[President of the United States|U.S. President]] [[Gerald Ford]], but is foiled by [[Oliver Sipple]].
*[[1979]] - The [[South Atlantic Flash]] or [[Vela Incident]] is observed near [[Bouvet Island]], thought to be a [[nuclear weapons test]].
*[[1980]] - [[Iraq]] [[Iran-Iraq War|invades]] [[Iran]].
*[[1985]] - The [[Plaza Accord]] was signed in [[New York City]].
*[[1987]] - [[Full House]] premiered its pilot episode, [[Our Very First Show (Full House Episode)]], on the [[American Broadcasting Company]] network ([[ABC Studios]]). It aired on the [[ABC Family]] program.
*[[1991]] - The [[Dead Sea Scrolls]] are made available to the public for the first time, by the [[Huntington Library]].
*[[1993]] - A [[Transair Georgian Airline Crash (22 September)|Transair Georgian Airlines]] [[Tupolev Tu-154|Tu-154]] is shot down by a missile in [[Sukhumi]], [[Georgia (country)|Georgia]].
*[[1995]] - E-3B [[AWACS]] crashed outside of Elmendorf AFB, Alaska after multiple bird strikes to two of the four engines soon after takeoff; all 24 on board killed
*[[1997]] - [[Bentalha massacre]] in [[Algeria]]; over 200 villagers killed.
*[[2003]] - [[David Hempleman-Adams]] becomes the first person to cross the [[Atlantic Ocean]] in an open-air, wicker-basket [[hot air balloon]].
*[[2004]] - [[Lost]], [[ABC's]] hit TV show, premiered on this day, as well as [[Flight 815]] Crashed. [[Veronica Mars]] the [[UPN]] (later on to be the [[CW]]) series premiered.
*[[2006]] - The [[F-14 Tomcat]] retires from the [[United States Navy]].
* 2006 - A [[Germany|German]] [[maglev]] train [[2006 Lathen maglev train accident|crashes]], killing 23.
* 2006 - [[Hezbollah]] claims "Divine Victory" over Israel in a massive demonstration in Beirut.
 
==Births==
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*[[1515]] - [[Anne of Cleves]], queen of [[Henry VIII of England]] (d. [[1557]])
*[[1547]] - [[Philipp Nikodemus Frischlin]], German philologist and poet (d. [[1590]])
*[[1593]] - [[Matthäus Merian]], Swiss engraver (d. [[1650]])
*[[1601]] - [[Anne of Austria]], queen of [[Louis XIII of France]] (d. [[1666]])
*[[1606]] - [[Li Zicheng]], Chinese rebel (d. [[1645]])
*[[1680]] - [[Barthold Heinrich Brockes]], German poet (d. [[1747]])
*[[1694]] - [[Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield]], English statesman (d. [[1773]])
*[[1715]] - [[Jean-Étienne Guettard]], French physician and scientist (d. [[1786]])
*[[1717]] - [[Pehr Wilhelm Wargentin]], Swedish astronomer (d. [[1783]])
*[[1722]] - [[John Home]], Scottish writer (d. [[1808]])
*[[1741]] - [[Peter Simon Pallas]], German zoologist (d. [[1811]])
*[[1743]] - [[Quintin Craufurd]], British author (d. [[1819]])
*[[1765]] - [[Paolo Ruffini]], Italian mathematician (d. [[1822]])
*[[1788]] - [[Theodore Edward Hook]], English author (d. [[1841]])
*[[1791]] - [[Michael Faraday]], English scientist (d. [[1867]])
*[[1819]] - [[Wilhelm Wattenbach]], German historian (d. [[1897]])
*[[1829]] - [[Tự Đức]], [[Emperor of Vietnam]] (d. [[1883]])
*[[1875]] - [[Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis]], Lithuanian painter and composer (d. [[1911]])
*[[1876]] - [[André Tardieu]], [[Prime Minister of France]] (d. [[1945]])
*[[1878]] - [[Yoshida Shigeru]], [[Prime Minister of Japan]] (d. [[1967]])
*[[1880]] - Dame [[Christabel Pankhurst]], English suffragist (d. [[1958]])
*[[1882]] - [[Wilhelm Keitel]], German field marshal (d. [[1946]])
*[[1885]] - [[Erich von Stroheim]], Austrian-born actor (d. [[1957]])
* 1885 - [[Ben Chifley]], [[Prime Minister of Australia]] (d. [[1951]])
*[[1891]] - [[Hans Albers]], German actor and singer (d. [[1960]])
*[[1895]] - [[Paul Muni]], Polish-born actor (d. [[1967]])
*[[1896]] - [[Henry Segrave]], British racing driver (d. [[1930]])
*[[1898]] - [[Katherine Alexander]], American actress (d. [[1981]])
*[[1900]] - [[William Spratling]], American silversmith (d. [[1967]])
* 1900 - [[Paul H. Emmett]], American chemical engineer (d. [[1985]])
*[[1901]] - [[Charles B. Huggins]], Canadian-born scientist, [[Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine|Nobel laureate]] (d. [[1997]])
*[[1902]] - [[John Houseman]], Romanian-born actor (d. [[1988]])
*[[1903]] - [[Joseph Valachi]], American gangster (d. [[1971]])
*[[1904]] - [[Ellen Church]], American [[stewardess]] (d. [[1965]])
*[[1905]] - [[Eugen Sänger]], Austrian aerospace engineer (d. [[1964]])
*[[1907]] - [[Philip Fotheringham-Parker]], British racing driver (d. [[1981]])
*[[1912]] - [[Martha Scott]], American actress (d. [[2003]])
*[[1915]] - [[Arthur Lowe]], British actor (d. [[1982]])
*[[1918]] - [[Henryk Szeryng]], Polish-born violinist (d. [[1988]])
* 1918 - [[Hans Scholl]], member of [[The White Rose]] (d. [[1943]])
*[[1920]] - [[Eric Baker (activist)|Eric Baker]], British human rights activist (d. [[1976]])
* 1920 - [[William H. Riker]], American political scientist (d. [[1993]])
* 1920 - [[Bob Lemon]], [[Major League Baseball]] pitcher (d. [[2000]])
*[[1920]] - [[Anders Lassen]], [[Denmark|Danish]] military officer (d. [[1945]])
*[[1922]] - [[Chen Ning Yang]], Chinese-born physicist, [[Nobel Prize in Physics|Nobel laureate]]
*[[1923]] - [[Dannie Abse]], Welsh poet and writer
*[[1924]] - [[Charles Keeping]], British illustrator (d. [[1988]])
* 1924 - [[Rosamunde Pilcher]], English novelist
*[[1927]] - [[Tommy Lasorda]], baseball manager
* 1927 - [[Gordon Astall]], English footballer
*[[1928]] - [[James Lawson]], American minister and civil rights activist
* 1928 - [[Eric Broadley]], British engineer
*[[1929]] - [[Serge Garant]], [[Québécois]] conductor (d. [[1986]])
*[[1931]] - [[Fay Weldon]], British feminist
* 1931 - [[George Younger, 4th Viscount Younger of Leckie]], British politician (d. [[2003]])
*[[1931]] - [[Manzoor Ahmad]], Pakistani philosopher
*[[1932]] - [[Ingemar Johansson]], Swedish boxer
*[[1934]] - [[Lute Olson]], American basketball coach
*[[1936]] - [[Maurice Evans (footballer)|Maurice Evans]], English football player and manager (d. [[2000]])
*[[1938]] - [[Gene Mingo]], American football player
*[[1939]] - [[Gilbert Earl Patterson|Gilbert E. Patterson]], American minister and presiding bishop of the [[Church of God in Christ]] (d. [[2007]])
*[[1940]] - [[Anna Karina]], Danish born actress
*[[1942]] - [[Dan Baker]], American public address announcer
* 1942 - [[David Stern]], American basketball commissioner
*[[1943]] - [[Toni Basil]], American singer
*[[1946]] - [[King Sunny Ade]], Nigerian singer
* 1946 - [[Larry Dierker]], baseball player
*[[1947]] - [[Robert Morace]], American writer
*[[1948]] - [[Denis Burke]], Australian politician
* 1948 - [[Jim Byrnes (actor)|Jim Byrnes]], American actor and musician
*[[1949]] - [[Jim Keith]], American conspiracy theorist and author (d. [[1999]])
* 1949 - [[Jim McGinty]], Australian politician
*[[1950]] - [[Kirka Babitzin|Kirka]], Finnish singer (d. [[2007]])
*[[1951]] - [[David Coverdale]], English singer
*[[1952]] - [[Bob Goodlatte]], American politician
* 1952 - [[Paul Le Mat]], American actor
*[[1953]] - [[Ségolène Royal]], French politician
*[[1953]] - [[Geoff Gilpin]], American author
*[[1954]] - [[Shari Belafonte]], American singer
* 1954 - [[Randy Lanier]], American racing driver
*[[1956]] - [[Debby Boone]], American singer
* 1956 - [[Masayuki Suzuki]], Japanese singer ([[Rats & Star]])
*[[1957]] - [[Nick Cave]], Australian musician
* 1957 - [[Giuseppe Saronni]], Italian cyclist
*[[1958]] - [[Andrea Bocelli]], Italian tenor
* 1958 - [[Neil Cavuto]], American television commentator
* 1958 - [[Joan Jett]], American musician
*[[1959]] - [[Tai Babilonia]], American figure skater
*[[1961]] - [[Scott Baio]], American actor
* 1961 - [[Bonnie Hunt]], American actress
* 1961 - [[Vince Coleman]], American baseball player
* 1961 - [[Catherine Oxenberg]], British actress
*[[1962]] - [[Diogo Mainardi]], Brazilian writer
*[[1965]] - [[Andy Cairns]], Irish musician
* 1965 - [[Tony Drago]], Maltese snooker player
*[[1966]] - [[Moustafa Amar]], Egyptian singer
* 1966 - [[Stefan Rehn]], Swedish footballer
*[[1967]] - [[Rickard Rydell]], Swedish racing driver
* 1967 - [[Félix Savón]], Cuban boxer
* 1967 - [[Kim Watkins]], Australian television presenter
*[[1968]] - [[Mike Richter]], American hockey player
*[[1969]] - [[Chris Powell]], English footballer
* 1969 - [[Matt Sharp]], American musician ([[Weezer]]), ([[The Rentals]])
*[[1970]] - [[Mike Matheny]], baseball player
* 1970 - [[Rupert Penry-Jones]], English actor
* 1970 - [[Mystikal]], American rapper
* 1970 - [[Emmanuel Petit]], French footballer
*[[1971]] - [[Chesney Hawkes]], British singer
* 1971 - [[Princess Märtha Louise of Norway]]
*[[1974]] - [[Bob Sapp]], American boxer and kickboxer
*[[1975]] - [[Ethan Moreau]], Canadian ice hockey player
* 1975 - [[Svilen Noev]], Bulgarian singer-songwriter
*[[1976]] - [[Ronaldo]], Brazilian footballer
*[[1977]] - [[Paul Sculthorpe]], English rugby league footballer
* 1977 - [[Yoo Chae-yeong]], South Korean singer and actress
*[[1978]] - [[Ed Joyce]], Irish-English cricketer
* 1978 - [[Harry Kewell]], Australian soccer player
*[[1980]] - [[Fernanda Tavares]], Brazilian supermodel
*[[1981]] - [[Adam Lazzara]], [[Taking Back Sunday]]'s frontman
* 1981 - [[Ashley Drane]], American actress
*[[1982]] - [[Billie Piper]], English singer and actress
* 1982 - [[Mandy Chiang]], Hong Kong singer and actress
*[[1984]] - [[Theresa Fu]], Hong Kong singer and actress
*[[1987]] - [[Tom Felton]], English actor
*[[1988]] - [[Bethany Dillon]], American musician
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== Deaths ==
A minor niggle - shouldn't this article be titled iPod, not IPod? -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 16:03, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
*[[1253]] - [[Dogen]], Japanese Zen Buddhist (b. [[1200]])
:Not if you do the same as [[IMac]]. - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 16:06, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
*[[1345]] - [[Henry Plantagenet, 3rd Earl of Leicester]] (b. [[1281]])
*[[1399]] - [[Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk]], English politician (b. [[1366]])
*[[1520]] - [[Selim I]], [[Ottoman Sultan]] (b. [[1465]])
*[[1554]] - [[Francisco Vasquez de Coronado]], Spanish explorer
*[[1566]] - [[Johannes Agricola]], German Protestant reformer (b. [[1494]])
*[[1607]] - [[Alessandro Allori]], Italian painter (b. [[1535]])
*[[1658]] - [[Georg Philipp Harsdorffer]], German poet (b. [[1607]])
*[[1662]] - [[John Biddle (Unitarian)|John Biddle]], English theologian (b. [[1615]])
*[[1692]] - [[Martha Corey]], hanged as a result of the [[Salem witch trials]]
*[[1703]] - [[Vincenzo Viviani]], Italian mathematician and scientist (b. [[1622]])
*[[1774]] - [[Pope Clement XIV]] (b. [[1705]])
*[[1776]] - [[Nathan Hale]], hung by the [[Kingdom of Great Britain|British]] as a [[spy]] (b. [[1755]])
*[[1777]] - [[John Bartram]], American botanist (b. [[1699]])
*[[1828]] - [[Shaka Zulu]], Zulu leader
*[[1852]] - [[William Tierney Clark]], English civil engineer (b. [[1783]])
*[[1872]] - [[Vladimir Dal]], Russian lexicographer (b. [[1801]])
*[[1873]] - [[Friedrich Frey-Herosé]], Swiss Federal Councilor (b. [[1801]])
*[[1881]] - [[Solomon L. Spink]], U.S. Congressman from Illinois (b. [[1831]])
*[[1952]] - [[Kaarlo Juho Ståhlberg]], first [[President of Finland]] (b. [[1865]])
*[[1956]] - [[Frederick Soddy]], English chemist, [[Nobel Prize in Chemistry|Nobel Prize]] laureate (b. [[1877]])
*[[1957]] - [[Toyoda Soemu]], Japanese admiral (b. [[1885]])
*[[1961]] - [[Marion Davies]], American actress (b. [[1897]])
*[[1962]] - [[Mir Ghotbeddin Mohammad Angha]], 40th [[Oveyssi]] [[Sufi]] master (b. [[1887]])
*[[1969]] - [[Adolfo López Mateos]], president of Mexico (b. [[1909]])
*[[1981]] - [[Harry Warren]], American composer and lyricist (b. [[1893]])
*[[1987]] - [[Dan Rowan]], American actor and comedian (b. [[1922]])
*[[1988]] - [[Rais Amrohvi]], Pakistani poet and psychoanalyst (b. [[1914]])
*[[1989]] - [[Irving Berlin]], American songwriter (b. [[1888]])
*[[1992]] - [[Aurelio López]], baseball player (b. [[1948]])
*[[1993]] - [[Maurice Abravanel]], Greek-born conductor (b. [[1903]])
*[[1996]] - [[Dorothy Lamour]], American actress (b. [[1914]])
* 1996 - [[Ludmilla Chiriaeff]], Canadian ballet dancer and director (b. [[1924]])
*[[1999]] - [[George C. Scott]], American actor (b. [[1927]])
*[[2000]] - [[Rodney Anoa'i ]], Samoan-American professional wrestler (b. [[1966]])
*[[2001]] - [[Isaac Stern]], Ukrainian violinist (b. [[1920]])
*[[2002]] - [[Jan de Hartog]], Dutch-born writer (b. [[1914]])
*[[2003]] - [[Gordon Jump]], American television actor (b. [[1932]])
* 2003 - [[Hugo Young]], British journalist (b. [[1938]])
*[[2004]] - [[Ray Traylor]], professional wrestler (b. [[1962]])
*[[2006]] - [[Edward Albert]], American actor (b. [[1951]])
* 2006 - [[Carla Benschop]], Dutch basketball player
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==Holidays and observances==
Tried moving page to iPod but I guess it's impossible because they are basically the same. Can someone find out if it is possible to rename all incorrectly capitalized iApp/iAccessory names? It's getting annoying... -- [[User:Applegoddess|Applegoddess]] 21:46, 18 Feb 2004
*In [[2006]], [[Rosh Hashanah]], the [[Jewish New Year]] of 5767, begins at [[sunset]].
*In [[Greek mythology|ancient Greece]], the ninth and final day of the [[Eleusinian Mysteries]], when the initiates made offerings to the dead.
*In ancient [[Latvia]], the first day of [[Mikeli]], the Catching of Jumis.
*Some [[Latter-Day Saints]] recognize it as "Trumpet Day," or the day that [[Joseph Smith]] received the golden plates, which later became [[The Book of Mormon]], from the angel Moroni.
*[[Calendar of Saints|RC Saints]] - It has been or still is the [[feast day]] of the following [[saint]]s:
**[[Saint Candidus]]
**Saints [[Saint Digna]] & [[Saint Emerita]]
**[[Emmeram of Regensburg|Saint Emmeramus]]
**Saint [[Saint Florentius|Florentius]]
**Saint [[Jonas]]
**Saint [[Lauto]]
**[[Saint Lioba]]
**Saint [[Lolanus]]
**[[Saint Maurice]]
**[[Saint Phocas]]
**Saint [[Salaberga]]
**Saint [[Sanctinus]]
**[[Theban Legion]]
**[[Saint Thomas of Villanueva]]
*[[French Republican Calendar]] - [[Grape|Raisin (Grape)]] Day, first day in the [[Vendémiaire|Month of Vendémiaire]].
*[[Public holidays in Bulgaria|Bulgaria]] - [[Independence Day]](from The Otoman Empire) [[1908]].
*[[Mali]] - [[Independence Day]] (from [[France]], [[1960]]).
*In [[Europe]] and in cities throughout the world, [[Car Free Day]].
*[[Hobbit Day]], being the birthday of the fictitious [[Hobbit]]s [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] in [[J. R. R. Tolkien's]] ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.
 
Also see [[September 22 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)]].
: It's a software issue, Apple. Check out [[Wikipedia:List of pages whose correct title is not allowed by MediaWiki]]. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 05:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 
==Astronomical phenomena==
; It's actually not a software issue... rather a policy choice.
*[[Autumnal equinox]] in the [[Northern hemisphere]], [[Vernal equinox]] in the [[Southern hemisphere]] [[1996]], [[2000]], [[2004]], [[2005]], [[2008]], [[2009]], [[2012]] (by [[Universal Time|UT]]).
: The English language encyclopedia is set not to accept a lowercase character as the first letter of a page title. For example, the articles on eBay and pH are found at EBay and PH respectively. This is a policy choice, not a technical limitation.
[[User:Skippingrock|Skippingrock]]
 
==External links==
I contemplated moving this to "Apple iPod," similar to [[Apple iTunes]], but then decided against (and moved it back). It is sold as the iPod, not the Apple iPod. [[User:cuiusquemodi|cuiusquemodi]] 21:00, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/22 BBC: On This Day]
* [http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/20050922.html ''The New York Times'': On This Day]
* [http://www1.sympatico.ca/cgi-bin/on_this_day?mth=Sep&day=22 On This Day in Canada]
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[[Category:September]]
 
[[af:22 September]]
==Title==
[[ar:22 سبتمبر]]
{{wrongtitle|title=iPod}}
[[an:22 de setiembre]]
 
[[frp:22 septembro]]
== Needs Updating ==
[[ast:22 de setiembre]]
I'm surprised the latest revision of the iPod lineup isn't already put up. 2G mini, cheaper mini, 30 gig ipod photo... [[User:Harry491|Dave]] 07:02, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
[[be-x-old:22 верасьня]]
 
[[bs:22. septembar]]
:You need to look more closely. They're all there and have been since their release. --[[User:Raekwon|rae]] 17:01, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[[br:22 Gwengolo]]
 
[[bg:22 септември]]
::oh, I saw some old info and assumed it was all old. I'll delete the stuff or put it in past tense [[User:Harry491|Dave]] 17:11, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
[[ca:22 de setembre]]
 
[[cv:Авăн, 22]]
::All taken care of. [[User:Harry491|Dave]] 17:25, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
[[ceb:Septiyembre 22]]
 
[[cs:22. září]]
== External links ==
[[co:22 di settembre]]
 
[[cy:22 Medi]]
Several of the "external links" in this article really didn't belong here, in my opinion. I moved some of them to relevant places in the article itself, and then I removed the rest. Just now I reverted someone's edit which put them all back! If we allow fan and commercial web sites to have links from Wikipedia articles, then we're going to have to allow ''every'' fan and commercial web site to link from Wikipedia. And fan sites are more likely to become dead links - one of the links which was restored goes to a 404 page. External links should only be to primary sources or extensive background information not easily found elsewhere, or when a fan site is ''the'' definitive reference for something (like, say, "The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5"). Here are some other discussions on the topic.
[[da:22. september]]
 
[[de:22. September]]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_archive_2004-09-26&oldid=5023995#Links_to_fan_sites.3F Links to fan sites]
[[et:22. september]]
*[[Wikipedia_talk:External_links#More_restrictive_policy_on_external_linking]]
[[el:22 Σεπτεμβρίου]]
 
[[es:22 de septiembre]]
- [[User:Brian Kendig|Brian Kendig]] 18:19, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[[eo:22-a de septembro]]
 
[[eu:Irailaren 22]]
I added a link to MLAgazine's history of the iPod
[[fo:22. september]]
 
[[fr:22 septembre]]
[[User:Tomhormby|Tomhormby]] 14:35, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[[fy:22 septimber]]
 
[[fur:22 di Setembar]]
== Cut-down version of Mac OS X? ==
[[ga:22 Meán Fómhair]]
 
[[gd:22 an t-Sultain]]
A recent edit added this assertion: ''The basic core operating system of the iPod is a cut-down version of Mac OS X, and incorporates QuickTime.'' Is that really true? My understanding is that the iPod runs an OS which was written specifically for it, not one which is derived in any way from Mac OS X. And while it is compatible with some file formats which QuickTime recognizes, I don't believe it actually has QuickTime software in it, does it? - [[User:Brian Kendig|Brian Kendig]] 02:58, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[[gl:22 de setembro]]
 
[[ko:9월 22일]]
:I thought someone would jump on me for this ;-) It surprised me too, but it seems to be true. In the latest issue of MacTech[http://www.mactech.com], which I subscribe to, there is a long and detailed article about reverse engineering the iPod. The upshot is that the iPod's core is OS X using the Pixo UI layer, and it does indeed include QuickTime - the article then goes on to explain how this can be leveraged to actually play QT movies on the iPod screen. Unfortunately MacTech do not publish current articles online until about a year after they've been in the mag, so I can't back this up with a link, but there may be others who can confirm this. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 03:09, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[[hr:22. rujna]]
 
[[io:22 di septembro]]
::Hmm, so the iPod would be running a Mach-O kernel with a BSD like system? I find that _very_ hard to believe, though I haven't read the article. &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 03:31, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:::Well I guess what isn't said is what they mean by "cut down". I don't have the article in front of me but I'll re-read it when I get home and see if I can shed any further light.[[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 03:34, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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::::This was wrong, and has been removed. PPOS (PortaLPlayer OS) is the core operating system of the iPod, it is a custom OS designed to make use of the dual cores of the PP5002 Chip that runs the iPod. [[User:BKNAUSS|BKnauss]] 07:34, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:::::How do you KNOW it is wrong? Why would the author of the MacTech article lie about this? The article explains how to play QT Movies using some basic scripting techniques. The article includes these scripts so you can do this on your own iPod if you want. The scripts (note - not code) are written on the assumption that the OS is OS X, and the WHOLE of QT is available. I haven't yet tried them but I intend to (actually IIRC the article is spread over two issues, I haven't received the next issue yet). Apple haven't said anything about the internals of the iPod, and they have been in charge of its development for a long time since it was handled by PortalPlayer - so it is perfectly possible that they have rewritten/ported the OS to suit themselves. Also, the colour GUI on the Photo iPod has an Aqua look, so elements of Aqua have been added whatever the underlying system might be. In the light of no evidence to the contrary, but some evidence to support it, the iPod's OS could well be OS X in some form. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 03:55, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:::::: IMHO the iPod is still using the PortalPlayer platform. http://www.portalplayer.com/products/platforms_mediaplayer.html No QuickTime. No Mac OS X. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 09:03, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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::Here is how you play movies on your iPod Photo [http://www.engadget.com/entry/3756421320807387/] [http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2011&mode=thread&order=0] [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 08:48, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:::Well, I have now had a chance to re-read the MacTech (Vol 20, No4, p.32) article in depth. It was written by a chap called Tim Monroe, who is a member of the QT engineering group at Apple, it says. The article goes on at great length about how he reverse engineered the iPod, and how you can track down files on its disk with names such as mach.sys and mach_krn, and then how the "applications" such as Solitaire turned out to be ROT-13 encoded ASCII scripts in a language called SNOJOB, a variant of [[SNOBOL]]. I was writing this up at great length when I suddenly noticed that this was the April issue (my subcription runs notoriously late). There are further clues in the article, such as using the "undocumented" command line argument -af with ls to get the kernel listing - the suggestion is that this stands for "all files", but obviously it doesn't. Hooking up my own iPod I get different results. So it looks like I fell for an elaborate joke, so I'm feeling pretty silly right now! He obviously went to a lot of trouble, with stacks of example code in SNOJOB and even screen shots showing the iPod "playing" a QT movie.... What can I say, I fell for it, and propagated it to WP too - well done Tim, you got me. At least I didn't get as far as typing in all that code heh heh... My apologies to all who have entered into this today - at least the misinformation got jumped on quickly. Sheepishly, [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 10:39, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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:Well anyway, some did actually do it a long time ago on one of the old ipods...Lets see if I can find the link...[http://www.hax.com/MacHack/HackBallot2002.html]--[[User:156.34.221.41|156.34.221.41]] 16:28, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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== Criticism ==
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I find the new "Criticism" section in the article to be somewhat biased. It seems like the author believes that Apple has an obligation to open the iPod to music formats which compete with Apple's own, and the wording of this section (especially things like "Apple responded ferociously") seems to imply that Apple is being a bully by not licensing its own file format. To the contrary, I believe that if Apple allowed competitors to sell protected music for the iPod, then competitors would do so - and at a cheaper price than Apple, because the competitors don't have to shoulder the cost of iPod research and development, and this would undercut Apple Music Store sales and possibly spell the end of the iPod. - [[User:Brian Kendig|Brian Kendig]] 03:16, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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:Well, I'm happy for you that you think that, but it's not the job of Wikipedia to promote the iPod or look after Apple Computer's bottom line--it's to provide accurate information on the topics covered in articles, and that includes fairly reporting on criticism whether individual contributors agree with it or not. Or would you rather the article confine itself to purring about industrial design and not attempt to discuss criticism at all?
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:I don't necessarily believe Apple has an "obligation" to open the iPod to other formats, although I do think they've handled the whole thing in an extremely jerkass way which, not incidentally, is the reason I got a [[Creative Zen|Zen Touch]] recently and not an iPod. Thought experiment: if Microsoft exercised the kind of Politburo-like control over the [[Windows Media Audio|WMA]] format that Apple does over AAC/iTunes/the iPod, would it be sufficient for the WMA article to mention in passing that Microsoft is not legally obligated to open anything up to anybody, or would it be appropriate to talk about the inevitable controversy that such a policy would engender ''entirely apart from'' any legal issues? I think the question answers itself.
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:In any event, my opinion on the controversies I wrote about is utterly unimportant, and irrelevant to the fact that Apple's business practices with regard to the iPod have engendered criticism and that that criticism is important enough to be covered in an encyclopedia article on the subject. If you feel the need to leaven the section by including the official company line on each of the controversies covered therein, by all means do so, although I hardly think that such an otherwise-glowing article needs any more sugar ladled into it as it is. --[[User:Phenry|Paul]] 06:22, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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::Paul, I don't think Brian is saying the section on criticism shouldn't be there, but rather, he doesn't like the way it is written. I do find the section slightly slanted. Most of it is ok, but there are certain things, like the use of words like "ferocious" (was Apple's response any stronger than usual?), and taking every opportunity to mention facts like Apple documentation not mentioning Real's hack being broken in the last update (obviously trying to insinuate ''something'', although what, I can't be certain) or the "fact" that the iPod "retails for significantly more than some competing products with similar specifications" (similar? as in plays music and is about the same size?).
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::Also, some things are misleading or just doesn't make sense. For example, the section concludes with the remark that because users with WMA collections and an iPod will have to keep two collections or be "forced" to convert everything to AAC, this will encourage them to buy Apple. Huh? Seems to me some users will be encouraged to buy a WMA compatible player. Not to mention, why are they forced to convert to AAC? A reasonable thing to do is convert everything to MP3, which will play on (as far as I know) every player (even Sony's now).
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::In any case, I will fix these things and some other things. I think most of it is fine, so let's see if Brian agrees that the section (after my edits, for example) is NPOV. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 07:40, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
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:::I have no problem witha criticism section, as long as upholds a neutral point of view. By the author's own admission his own point of view is not neutral, and as a result it would be very hard, though certainly not impossible, to report any criticism neutrally. One thing I do think is important to note, especially in the light of the microsoft analogy above, is that AAC is an open standard whereas WMA is not. It's Apple's encryption/DRM that is not open, just as WMA's encryption is not open. I'm still unsure whether Apple's strategy is the right one - it does give one pause for thought especially in the longer run. Allowing WMA to become the dominant format due to shorter term concerns does seem to be an undesirable outcome to me, but then again I know very little about the business issues involved. I feel it's important to (neutrally) report these criticisms/concerns, provided neutrality is maintained. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 08:27, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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::::I don't think it's necessary or wise to add a paragraph of [[tu quoque]] criticism on Microsoft, unless it's also appropriate to add a similar paragraph about Apple in, say, the Windows Media Player article. This is an article about the iPod, not Microsoft, and while it's appropriate to mention Microsoft's (deservedly, I'm sure we can all agree) controversial practices for purposes of providing context, I think any substantive discussions of it belong in one or more of the many Wikipedia articles that already criticize MS in detail, and referenced via a link. I hope this is a compromise we can all support. --[[User:Phenry|Paul]] 20:18, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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:::::I was initially disturbed by Graham's insertion of the Microsoft material, but then I realized that much of the criticism of iPod, iTunes, etc., made comparisons with Microsoft. So I think it's fine to mention Microsoft, ''as long as it is for the purpose of describing the criticisms''. For example, link to some articles that make the Microsoft comparisons, and write some brief sentences explaining why Apple's supposed lock-in strategy bears resemblance, according to some critics, to past Microsoft practices. The material you snipped should be introduced only if it can be modified in such a way. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 22:22, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
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The edits people have made are good. I just tried some more edits to the section, moving some things around - anyone, feel free to hack it up if you're not satisfied. Paul, if you feel that any part of the article is POV, please feel free to edit it to bring it closer to NPOV, rather than trying to balance negative POV against positive POV. - [[User:Brian Kendig|Brian Kendig]] 17:48, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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: I replaced the out-of-place criticism of Microsoft with a link, for the reasons I explain above. Other than that the only big problem I have with the current version is that it misleadingly implies that the iPod simply doesn't play ball with Microsoft's DRM scheme, when in fact it won't play WMA files ''at all'', with or without DRM. (I'm personally familiar with this because I'm the guy I described in my example that someone took out: I have a big library of unprotected WMA files that I use with my solid state player, which meant that if I wanted to get an iPod I'd have had to either convert or junk the whole thing.) That has nothing to do with iTunes or DRM, but it's still really annoying--and, I might add, entirely in keeping with the brilliant [[Not Invented Here|NIH]] strategy that has taken Apple from 20 percent of the PC market to 3 percent. I'm [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+%22doesn%27t+play+wma%22 far from being the only person] who complains about this, and it seems like there should be room for it under the "Criticism" rubric.
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:Other than that, I'm mostly satisfied with the compromise. --[[User:Phenry|Paul]] 20:45, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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::I agree it should be pointed out that the iPod doesn't play WMA files (protected or unprotected), but I do not like how you have edited that part. I think your edit makes it less clear that the reason you can't frequent other online music stores is that they mainly use DRM-protected WMA. That was clearer before your edit. Also, you have reintroduced your error of saying that those who want access to iTunes catalog must buy an iPod. That is simply false, since you can burn the songs to a CD which will play in your car's CD player or whatnot. And of course, you can play it on your computer(s). --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 22:22, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
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:::Ah, good point. --[[User:Phenry|Paul]]
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:::While iPod doesn't play WMA itself, I think the windows version of iTunes will batch convert imported WMA files that the user has so that they can be played on an iPod (Correct me if this is wrong - I only use the Mac version). Obviously this isn't the same, but may be worth mentioning since I guess most people with an iPod will be using iTunes, and so this feature does offer something to those with a large WMA library. In the context of the "format wars" this approach is logical, if not exactly ideal. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 07:36, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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::::Yes, you're correct. The windows version does convert WMA to AAC. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 12:56, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
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Incidentally, if AAC is an open standard and it's easy to create unprotected AAC files for the iPod, I'm curious to know why there are no players from Creative, Samsung, Archos, iRiver, or any of the other major manufacturers that can play plain-vanilla AAC or M4A files, DRM issues aside. I would think that this would be a niche that manufacturers would be more than happy to fill--especially the ones that make solid state players, which could easily be marketed as iPod companions. I'm not trying to imply anything or be critical; I'd genuinely like to know and can't find anything about it. If there's a reason, it should probably be mentioned either here or in a related article. --[[User:Phenry|Paul]]
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:I don't know why you're so skeptical. A simple Google search should show you that AAC is an open standard and "it's easy to create unprotected AAC files for the iPod". I know from personal experience you can easily, for example, convert between AAC and MP3 using iTunes. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 22:22, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
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:I don't know if there's a good reason for the omission of AAC from these other players, other than maybe not wanting to bother with the hassle of supporting many formats. The iPod does support quite a number of formats compared to the others (excepting of course the crucial WMA). I notice Archos doesn't even want to support anything beyond MP3, WMA, and WAV.
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:There's really no reason for manufacturers to support anything beyond what the Archos does. After all, most people are happy with MP3, and like it or not, it has become a standard. Also, as long as WMA is supported, they can frequent non-iTunes stores online. The manufacturers that want to win the DRM battle, like Sony, will push their own formats, but only Apple or Microsoft can hope to win that battle. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho Suh]] 22:50, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
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:iPod dosnt support WMA because WMA==Microsoft, and apple dosnt do microsoft without a big reason. It supports AAC because AAC is apples baby and as a company mandate all their products support it. The reason other MP3 players dont support AAC is because its Apple and only apple... its not a mandate from the masses to support it so why put it in? ----[[User:Bknauss|racter]] 09:55, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)[[User:Ben Knauss]
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==Harmony==
 
Is it worth it to point out that although Apple released the firmware upgrade that disabled Harmony AAC files on November 18 the story didn't break until December 14. [http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ipodupdater20041115.html] [http://news.com.com/Apple+fights+RealNetworks+hacker+tactics/2100-1027_3-5490604.html]
 
== iPod shuffle ==
 
I started to edit the entry to introduce the new iPod shuffle [http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/], but that's easier said than done, since it trickles through the rest of the page, since the iPod shuffle is such a different beast, and is actually more similar to non-iPod players (it's not hard-drive-based, it doesn't use a scroll wheel, it doesn't use Firewire, etc). I'm thinking it's different enough to put on it's own page instead instead of the big re-write this page needs to accomodate it (then again, such a rewrite may eventually be needed). Thoughts? -- [[User:Kaszeta|Kaszeta]] 20:24, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 
:It already has its own page: [[iPod shuffle]]. - [[User:Brian Kendig|Brian Kendig]] 01:32, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 
== Models ==
 
Just separated out the distinct models (iPod, iPod mini, iPod U2 Special Edition, iPod photo and iPod shuffle) from the different iPod generations. It was getting confusing having them all mixed in. While I think the iPod U2 and the iPod photo are really just enhanced 4G iPods, the Apple site lists them as separate. -- 00:40, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 
== White Earbuds ==
 
I put in a section about the ipods included earphones, but [[User:Austin Hair|Austin Hair]] thought it was "imbecilic, repetitive, and thoroughly pointless". The first one is just a child like insult. The one who is really imbecilic is the one who wrote the comment. And it's not pointless, because I feel the ipods earbuds are an important part of the iPods style. Saying the "the line's distinctive white", doesn't fully explain the significance of the earbuds. [[User:Reub2000|Reub2000]] 02:43, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 
:I haven't heard anything. And the user who objected has edited the article in over a week. So I'm adding it back in. [[User:Reub2000|Reub2000]] 11:48, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 
This was the full text of the section:
 
:All iPods come with white earphones. These earphones and their white cord are a symbol of the iPod. Even if the iPod is being caried in a pocket or bag by the listener, it can still be recognized by the white earphones. Many other manufac tures make white earphones or canal phones. While these work with other devices, they are intended to replace the iPods white earphones.
 
Judge for yourself. <span style="font-family:Garamond,Times,serif">[[User:Austin Hair|A.D.H.]] ([[User talk:Austin Hair|t]]&[[Special:emailuser/Austin Hair|m]])</span> 20:12, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Should we allow competing models in the "See Also" area? ==
 
I mean, competition is business related... and would be better if people linked to a general DAP article rather than other players (as articles should stay specific). What do you think? --[[User:Mrmiscellanious|Mrmiscellanious]] 23:32, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
Of course, it's not so much competition but rather providing users with access to information on similar devices! All the other DAPs have similar links and no one has complained. --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 00:10, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)
 
:Let's put it this way, even pages for bands have links to other bands with similar styles and influences. Radiohead has links to Blur, Muse, Pink Floyd etc; Coldplay has links to Travis and Echo And The Bunnymen. A lot of bands in the same genre have links to one another, even if they were "rivals" . --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 05:05, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC)
 
== Size of article (32KB at writing) ==
 
The article is 32 KB to long, as of writing. I'm new, and I don't have much time to practice in the sandbox beacause of school, so here is what I will suggest for others to do. I hope that's alright with you.
 
Would removing the photos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipod-internals.jpg, http://en.wikipeadia.org/wiki/Image:Lightmatter_ipodvsmini.jpg, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipod3g.jpg help? In my opinion they don't really add anything important to the article. Internal components could have cropped pictures with a scale imbedded in the photos to show their relative size. Including a scale might also make finding the absolute measurments of the components easier, althought I see no reason why detailed technical specifications should be included in the article.
 
Overall, I'm of the opinion that this site has had a lot of contributions form Apple fans. While I can understand a desire to showcase the technology, is this kind of stuff relevant?
 
 
:What's the problem, dial-up? 32KB should take 16 seconds maximum on dial-up. [[User:Reub2000|Reub2000]] 05:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
:The warning about 32K only applies to the text - removing images makes no difference. The 32K limit is only warned about because some older browsers only allow up to 32K of text to be edited. Modern browsers shouldn't have this problem, so the solution is: use a modern browser. Many subjects require far more than 32K to do them justice - whether that is the case here can be argued, but frankly, using a browser with a 32K editing limit will severely limit your ability to contribute to wikipedia in general. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 05:15, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
::So a simple solution would be to remove the summeries of the iPod Mini, iPod Photo, and iPod suffle articles. No reason to put info in 2 places.
 
:::A simpler solution is to upgrade to a proper browser. Many, many articles need >32K of text. [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 06:09, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
The critcism section seems a bit one sided (favouring apple). Especially in places like "'''As the market leader''', iPod has become the subject of criticism..." and "Consumers who want to download songs from the '''extensive''' iTunes music catalog to their digital audio players have no choice but to purchase an iPod" (emphasis mine)
 
:It's ironic, but this kind of thing gets included by Apple critics. For example, if you check the history, the second sentence (before some changes) was included by a critic who wanted to emphasize the monopolistic appearance of the iTunes/iPod setup. So this critic included the adjective "extensive" in order to make it seem like non-iPod users were truly being deprived of something; in other words, without emphasizing how "extensive" the iTunes catalog was, the criticism of a "lock-in" loses strength.
 
:Your complaint of one-sidedness only goes to show that the regular editors of this page can never win. Things will always look one-sided no matter how much they bend over backwards to accomodate all views. I suppose one must try nonetheless....
 
== Vandalism ==
 
I saw that [[User:Grstain]] just reverted for vandalism on the article. Although it looks like I apparently vandalized the article, I actually removed vandalism on my revert there (the same vandalism that [[User:Grstain]] removed).
 
--[[User:MusicAndMath|MusicAndMath]] 21:43, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
 
== Gapless Playback ==
 
"The iPod range is also unable to play gapless music (where one track runs into another without a noticeable "gap" or period of silence between them)."
 
I believe this has been addressed with the latest iTunes release, but I can't find a refrence on Apple's website (I'm sure I read it there.. something about gapless play for concept albums)... I'll keep looking... -- [[User:24.36.103.70|24.36.103.70]] 02:04, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
:iTunes itself supports gapless playback - and even a slight overlap between tracks which is quite cool... but AFAIK the iPod doesn't carry over this feature, possibly because of the processing power and/or memory requirements (2 tracks buffered and played at once).[[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 06:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
::According to [[http://www.pretentiousname.com/mp3players/ this], "Either way, this [iTunes] has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the iPod can or cannot do. The iPod does not run a little copy of iTunes inside of it; it's music playback engine is COMPLETELY different. Hope that clears it up. Thanks" [[User:Reub2000|Reub2000]] 06:16, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
:::I didn't intend to imply that the iPod ran a version of iTunes, which would be absurd. The previous comment mentioned that it has "...been addressed in the latest version of iTunes..." as if that has any bearing on what the iPod can do. By "carrying over" the feature, I meant that the iPod doesn't at present reimplement this feature. Since this is totally obvious to me, I didn't even think there was any possibility of it being interpreted as if the iPod ran iTunes. Just goes to show... [[User:GRAHAMUK|Graham]] 22:47, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
::::There's a lot of confusion generally about the difference between iTunes and iPod. Whether iTunes supports gapless playback or not is irrelevant - this article is about the iPod, and the iPod doesn't.
 
== So-called Apple's usage of ''iPod'' ==
 
I find the lack of [[Grammatical article|grammatical article]]s in parts of this article confusing. From what I can tell, this lack stems from the so-called Apple's usage of the term ''iPod''.
 
I do not see how iPod refers to "the player and the technology" in Apple's website. iPod is a product line (and, IMHO, a pseudo-platform), and Apple's usage seems to work with this. There does not appear to be need for special treatment of the term ''iPod''. This article can well use articles with the term to refer to a specific iPod device, etc. I believe that some copy-editting should be done to wipe away what (IMHO) is unnecessary unreadability due to overzealous application of "Apple's usage". Alternatively, the article can also be rewritten in such a way that ''iPod'' is used as an adjective, and therefore, any special treatment needed for the term when used otherwise may be ignored.
 
I am seeking comments on my interpretation of Apple's usage.
 
&mdash;[[User:UTSRelativity|UTSRelativity]] 16:06, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
== Signal to Noise Ration ==
How much dB (quality of sound) are the ipods? It doesn't specify anywhere.
 
== Key personnel? ==
 
Just looking at the list of "Key personnel". Tony Fadell, Jeff Robbin, Steve Jobs and Jonathan Ive are all mentioned within the article text. Sanjeev Kumar, Danika Cleary and Stan Ng are not. If they are notable enough to be mentioned on the page, then surely someone can say something about them in the actual article text instead of just sticking them on the list at the end. If no-one pursues this, then I'll try to see what I can find on them some time soon. However if someone else knows who they are or what they did, then please add something about them wherever they belong within the text. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 00:04, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
==¡Pod != iPod==
I appreciate Ed's attempt to fix this, and I'm as frustrated by anyone by our case sensitivity problems, but this isn't the answer. This might look nice on screen (although I'm not convinced it's sufficiently portable for visitors with foreign browsers), but on a screen reader it's dreadful ("inverted exclamation point pod" or <span style="font-size:x-large;">"POD"</span>, depending on how it's configured). I don't think it's fair to discriminate against disabled visitors for the sake of this typographic trick. It was better the way it was. -- [[User:John Fader|John Fader]] ([[User talk:John Fader|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/John Fader|''contribs'']]) 20:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
:It actually ''didn't'' look nice on screen on the Safari browser on the Mac&mdash;which obviously a lot of people reading an Apple-related article will be using. [[User:TreyHarris|TreyHarris]]
 
 
 
==iPod Sales==
Someone should update the sales section to reflect the potential downturn in sales for Q2 of 2005.[http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2005/06/03/ap2076691.html][http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050604/RIPOD04/TPInternational/TopStories]
 
== Criticism redux ==
 
I wanted to bring up [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#Criticism a discussion I was having with a user] to get more reactions; why are the criticisms of the iPod sequestered into an ugly, separate section? I understand the value of having criticism in an article, but what's the value of separating it into a separate section? I eliminated the Criticism header and split the criticisms into the appropriate sections, but another userr reverted it (for some quite valid issues tangential to my main point here.)
 
Rather than get into a revert war, I've made [[User:A_Man_In_Black/iPodtemp|a new version]] in my userspace that takes the issues raised into account. What do people think of this removal of the Criticism header but retension of the criticism? [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In Black]] 03:21, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)