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What does "undo" do exactly?

==NED==

As a thorough bred Scot I would like to point out that Chav is an English expression - the Scottish equivalent being NED (N.E.D. or Non-Educated Delinquent) the two stereotypes are similar, however, the connotations are slightly different including such things as Buckfast, Lacoste trainers, Vauxhall Novas and white shellsuits. Therefore, this article is incorrect in its broad generalisation of Scotland and England as the United Kingdom - Scotland is a completely different country, fortunately sharing only a common language and border.

==tone==

Can we reformat this page to follow more closely the layout and tone of other offensive slurs on Wikipedia? i.e. this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash etc? Currently this page looks like a middle class critisism of 'Chav' culture, rather than a properly written description of a slur.

==Australian/New Zealand Chavs==

What are Chavs known as in Australia/New Zealand?, I heard they are called 'Chozzies'.

[[User:Jetwave Dave]] 28/06/07 00:56PM

Never heard of that, I live in NZ. Sounds stupid enough to be aussie slang though :P [[User:123.100.89.49|123.100.89.49]] 04:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

==Ivardj Norwegian Chavs==

Could someone please change the Norwegian equivalent back to Harry as a Fjortis is of a certain age (around fourteen. Fjorten = fourteen), and doesn't really have the same "qualities" as a chav? Harry is the closest you'll get in Norway.

==The Cheltenham Connection==

I have recently discoverd that the Cheltenham derravation of Chave is '''CH'''eltenham '''AV'''erage man.

==Mike33 Yeah me too==

hi i am 9 years old like who does not know

claiming every penny they can get doing drugs booze, pills anything, and get a council house. All paid by the tax payers though...damn slackers...we sould have a few more [chav's] around! =p

== List of Stereotypes ==

The list has really gotten out of hand. I've tried pruning it back before, but the edit was undone. Honestly, the list is twice as long as the article itself, not to mention a lot of the stereotypes mentioned really aren't similar to chavs at all! I'd like to try again to revise this section, but I'd also like to see how the other editors feel on the subject so as to avoid the edit being undone. [[User:DuckieRotten|DuckieRotten]] 14:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Chavs Ambitions ==

Chavs ainnt as bad as people say when someone mentions a chav they badmouth them but there are good and bad of everyone!!! so dont judge by one chav you know!!!

chavs have different ambitions it all depends on the person

== Is ''mush'' a slang term for mate used by chavs? ==

The [[Mush]] dab page has this line:

*mush, a [[slang]] term for [[Mate (colloquialism)|mate]] used by [[chav]]s

Does this accurately report how the word ''mush'' is used by chavs?

--[[User:Jtir|Jtir]] 10:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:No, "mush" is a long-standing word in English slang and pre-dates the chav phenomenon by a long way. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 11:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks. I copied the above to [[Talk:Mush]]. --[[User:Jtir|Jtir]] 18:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Think Mush come from Anglo-Indian/Urdu or Romany meaning face. It has the same currency as "oh, same old faces...", but much more familiarly. [[User:Mike33|Mike33]] 13:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

==Only one picture?==

Only one picture? A cartoon at that, hell I could spend 10 seconds down town on a friday night and get pictures of thousands of the things.

i posted loads I took myself to illustrate. one of our better editors decided that Wikipedia is not the place for candid camera shots in a derogatory setting. Waste of time posting pix they just get deleted by the PC IMAGE MAFIA. Good faith they can [[WP:GF]]!!!!

[[User:Mike33|Mike33]] 13:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi I think you that there should be a real life example of Chavs and Chav behaviour, and this link depicts both particularly well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l5NckWZDyQ

==deleted [[guido]] and [[bridge and tunnel]] from [[chav#Similar stereotypes from outside England & Wales|list of similar stereotypes]]==

i am not an expert in this subject but it seems that although [[guido]] and [[bridge and tunnel]] are negative/derogatory stereotypes, they are not equivalent to chav for their part of the world. the other terms on [[chav#Similar stereotypes from outside England & Wales|the list]] seem to refer to similar phenomena localized around the world. these two items IMHO do not fit on the list. if you feel strongly enogh otherwise, go ahead and restore them. the problem is that this list could easily become just a list of derogatory slang, as opposed to chav-like terms outside of england and wales. [[User:UriBudnik|uri budnik]] 01:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Chav in common use in Cheltenham in the 1990's ==

As someone who has lived in Cheltenham for the last 18 years, and one of whose children attended Cheltenham Ladies College, I can confirm that the word 'chav' has been in common useage in Cheltenham for many years. Our children used it when they were smaller (say 10 years ago, so 1996). We had to stop them using it as it has derogatory overtones.

Interestingly they believe that it was in far more common use at the boy's school Cheltenham College (CC) rather than at Cheltenham Ladies College (CLC). It is generally held that the media attributed the word to CLC as it made better copy to imagine posh girls looking down on local boys.

I have no idea whether the word originated in Cheltenham, or was imported, but it certainly predates the media interest of the last few years.

: The current Oxford Dictionary of English predates the gals at Chel'nam by 150 years and puts it down to a Romany word meaning child. In current parlez it certainly is 15 years old, but from where and when???? [[User:Mike33|Mike33]] 13:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

==Radjee==

Now I thought I knew everything - but '''RADJEE''' as in

:_{common expample of a chav band is http://www.myspace.com/sealhaven their music} '''is proppa radjee'''

What on earth does Radjee mean? [[User:Mike33|Mike33]] 13:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

::‘Radjee’, is the term ascribed to the behaviour of an individual who is rather annoyed; approximate to ‘flying off the handle’ or in a huff etc.[[User:Mrheathcliff|Mrheathcliff]] 17:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

==Cheltenham - Chavs, Mush, 90's and cheap jeans==

I also come from Cheltenham (and went to Pate's Grammar, where we also looked down on the locals from Hester's Way), and the term 'Chav' has been in use since the mid 90's around here. However the use of the word 'mush' was in wide use before 'chav'. The Hesters way (stereotype here, it was area wide) locals would wear really baggy jeans with words like 'Eclipse', 'Spliffy' on the back pocket, we called them 'Trackies', they used to call everyone 'mush' which we all thought was Romani for 'man'. Becuase there were large groups of kids like this, they got called 'chavs' which we thought was Romani for 'kid'. I guess the people that attended the public schools picked up the local lingo.

== Spelling mistakes ==

In the similar stereotypes section, under the subheading '''The Pacific''' <br>

whoever wrote ''Ferral'' probably meant to write ''Feral'', I have changed it to reflect the correct spelling <br>

[[User:Shiyoushi|shiyoushi]] 16:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)<br>

Hi there,<br />

<b>in the section "Rest of Europe" (6.2.1.1) you'll find:</b>

Pissis Finland)<br />

Harry, Soss,(Norway)

<b>plz someone change it into:</b>

Pissis (Finland)<br />

Harry, Soss (Norway)

thx ;) i'd have done it myself but - well - you know why not ;)

== Pronunciation? ==

How about a guide to pronunciation? I have no idea how this is said (shav, chav?), so I can't help.

It's in the wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chav

== UK Debate ==

I believe the term "Chav" is only used in England and Wales. I now for a fact where i live (Scotland) we use the term "Ned" (see [Ned (Scottish)]) and also think they don't use Chav in Northern Ireland. I would suggest the opening sentence is changed to account for this fact but i wont change it until some people reply to this. This is the discussion page after all. [[User:Zippokovich|Zippokovich]] 00:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:I think you are right. Moreover, as has been said, "charva" is the more common term in the north of England and the meaning is not necessarily identical. Unless we have any evidence that the term is in common use outside England, then the lead to the article should specify England rather than UK. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 11:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Except that it has been established that everywhere has its own terms for the group and that 'Chav' is unique in that its use by mainstream media means that it would be understood by people across the UK, whereas regional variants arent. Kev, Ned, Scally, Charva, Townie etc. all = Chav. --[[User:Robdurbar|Robdurbar]] 11:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::: 'Chav' is only used by the English press, as most of them are based in the south of England, where Chav is used. However all the Scottish papers/News use Ned and most Scots don't know what a Chav is. Furthermore Chav is just another local variant, spoken by the largest minority. Since the term is not in use in any where other than England/Whales (and in the evidence that Itsmejudith give possibly just the South of England) I still up hold that the article should be changed from:

''"Chav is a derogatory slang term in the United Kingdom (UK)"'' to

''"Chav is a derogatory slang term in the South of England and Whales"''.

It would also be good if someone could give me conformation on what is used in Whales.

[[User:Zippokovich|Zippokovich]] 00:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:Changed lead to "England" since a) we know it is in common use in at least part of England and b) we know there are alternative terms in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Note that this wording does not actually rule out the idea that "chav" would be recognised in other parts of the UK. However, with "England", the article is playing safe and sticking to what the sources tell us. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 11:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

: I think charva is just the north east, not all of northern england. My family certainly use chav and they are in Yorkshire. However this counts as original research, we need sources. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 18:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

::Appearance of vandalism-type material referencing Cheshire would tend to show that it is current in the north west, as you say. However, as you point out, that's original research. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 15:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How about [[The viz]]--[[User:Josquius|Josquius]] 22:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:If you mean Viz magazine as a source for references to chav/charva, it would seem to be relevant. Why not try adding something? [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 15:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

“Charva” redirects to this page. Wictionary indicates that the terms have distinct etymological origins. The term is in common usage in the North East which is, generally speaking, comprises Northumberland, Tyne & Wear, Durham and Cleveland. Yorkshire culturally, politically and linguistically is distinct from the North East, it is therefore unsurprising that residents are not familiar with the finer parts of Geordie dialect.

~~Re: the immediate above. I'm Yorkshire born and bred (Bradford) and during the late 80's and early 90's at Upper School we used the word "Charver" (note the difference in spelling) all the time! We used it to mean the following: someone who is out to rob you or short change/con you in a cheeky kind of way. Although this is what might be termed "original research" it proves the word(Charva)wasn't just confined to the mean streets of Northumberland and County Durham but as far south as the West Riding! PS Tyne and Wear was the name of a county council that was abolished some time ago and most of what was called "Cleveland" is in fact Yorkshire, so why it's regarded as the North East is beyond me apart from it being in the North East England Government Office Region! (AMD, Yorkshre)~~

As far as printed sources go, the word has been recognised by the national media.

[*] The North East press (Evening Chronicle, Journal, Northern Echo &c.) frequently use the word.

[*] The Gloucester Citizen: February 23, 2006, pg 12

[*] Daily Mail: October 13, 2004 pg 64 Laura Clark

[*] Western Morning News (Plymouth): September 17, 2004, pg 22

[*] The Liverpool Daily Post & Echo: October 23, 2001, pg 6 Rosie Williams

A close reading of this article would seem to indicate that whilst there is no mutual exclusivity, the two terms can be distinguished. The label ‘chav’ is affixed to anyone who conforms to a fashion driven consumerist stereotype; as exemplified by celebrities mentioned in the article body. The label ‘charva’ is affixed to members of the ‘Lumpenproletariat’. Many members of this latter group do ascribe to the same consumerism as those of the former, as evidenced by increasing theft of mobile phones and fashionable shoes amongst teenagers. [[User:Mrheathcliff|Mrheathcliff]] 19:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:Seems popular here in [[Wrexham]], [[Wales]] - too popular for my liking! [[User:Marbles333|Marbles333]] 18:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

hmm...It seems [[charver]] is editable once more.<Br>

The previous VFD on that article was not fair at all- none of the editors of the article were informed and it happened overnight with none of us being any the wiser.<br>

Now things are different too, there is far more of a case for it being its own....Should we go and split this one into chav/charva making a note for the Londoners that this is referring to the fashionable type of chav and charva is on the scummy type?--[[User:Josquius|Josquius]] 13:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I live in scotland and (in my school at lest) chav is used '''alot''', N.E.D(Non Educated Delicwit) is basicly a chave who dosent go to school. alot of 1st years co to the park at lunch (amoung them alot of chavs) and the chavs are alot of trubal,basicly chavs are the lafing stok.

== ireland ==

do they have chavs in ireland

:See the See Also, Other Europe for Irish (including northern Irish) synonyms. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== Heads up ==

Just a heads up, you'll have already noticed, people pissing about with the page. I can see how it might be amusing if they were being subtle, but ffs...

Oh, and dont forget the 'emo' reference in the 'Criticisms' heading. Who want's to bet it was some 13 yr old kid with a persecution complex?

I'd do this myself but my html/editing is genereally a bit too crappy not to risk messing something up (and the urge to badmouth Julie Burchill might be too much even for me).

Cheers

[[User:139.184.30.16|139.184.30.16]] 20:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)MNONE

== Kapper? ==

In the similar stereotypes section, under the subheading '''The Pacific''', one of the Australian terms listed is ''Kapper''. I've never heard this term before and honestly it sounds like a word that would be used by a small group of people considering a quick Google only returns surnames for this term.<br>

Can whoever added this term please create an article explaining it, or remove it if it's not in wide use.

[[User:Shiyoushi|shiyoushi]] 16:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't add this, but in Scotland ''Kappa'' is a term for a chav, from the clothing brand Kappa (which is allegedly popular with chavs)

Ah ok then. ''Kappa'' sounds exactly the same as ''Kapper'', so whoever made that entry probably just misspelt it. I'll just change the spelling in the article then :)

[[User:Shiyoushi|shiyoushi]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== What about 'Lads'? ==

I'm from Sydney, and I know terms such as 'Yobbo' and 'Westie' aren't related to Chavs. These stereotypes are more linked to socio-economic status, fashions and social dispositions which are affilitated with attempting to achieve class and a higher standard of living, but to no or limited avail. I'm wondering why a widely accepted (and loathed) parallel to Chav culture, namely Sydney's 'Lads', aren't referenced at all. They are virtually identical in demeanor and fashion, and are a common sight in the harbour city's inner and outer suburbs. [[User:203.51.57.109|203.51.57.109]] 08:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)blasko_88

== Total re-write ==

Does anyone feel this whole article could have been written a whole lot better? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/86.146.55.19|86.146.55.19]] ([[User talk:86.146.55.19|talk]]) 23:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Yeah I've been thinking along those lines for a bit but am a bit too busy with non-wikipedia stuff right now...Maybe in mid Jan I'll take a look and split it more fully into charver and chav and hopefully try and get it to be less...bitty--[[User:Josquius|Josquius]] 17:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

==Chav jokes==

I suspect the inclusion of a few chav hater jokes in the article would contravene the rules but is it OK for the discussion.

What do you write on a chav's birthday card?

To a Grandma whose 27 today!

== Music in the lead para ==

The suggested types of music liked by chavs keeps being altered and we have no source for it anyway. Unlike, say, heavy metal fans, this stereotype/subculture is not really defined by its taste in music. Do we have consensus for taking the types of music out of the lead? Comments welcome. Thanks.[[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] 13:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that music is transitory, however the places that chavs tend to spend their holidays tends to be fairly constant. This is not mentioned in the article anywhere at present. Faliraki, Ibiza, Tenerife, anyone? [[User:Tobycek|Tobycek]] 17:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== Bro (in United States and Canada) ==

Deleted 'bro' because it's a parody of a drastically different part of culture dealing with preps.

==End of first para==

The claim that "Chav is short for council houses and violence" should be removed. It doesn't seem to come up when I try to edit it. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/82.69.28.55|82.69.28.55]] ([[User talk:82.69.28.55|talk]]) 12:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Definition of pubic hair ==

"Some young male chavs tend to have pubic hair like facial hair, notably a moustache"... this needs to be changed to something that makes a lick of sense. Pubic hair does not grow on faces, and it doesn't help that this misuse of the phrase is actually a link to the definition of pubic hair. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/129.59.141.200|129.59.141.200]] ([[User talk:129.59.141.200|talk]]) 08:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== I have a pair of chavs living near me at the moment ==

It sucks :(. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/88.106.162.25|88.106.162.25]] ([[User talk:88.106.162.25|talk]]) 12:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Call a pest control company. Chavs are basically roaches, so they should be easy to exterminate ;) [[User:Chavmusiksux|Chavmusiksux]] 19:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== Origin of the word Chav dating back to 1980 ==

I read with interest the comments about the word Chav being used in Cheltenham as long as 15 years ago and I believe that it's use originated as early as 1980 in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire.

Bromsgrove has 2 schools very close to each other at the south end of the town - Bromsgrove School (an independant fee-paying day and boarding school) and South Bromsgrove High School which is now described as a technology school but back then was just the plain old high school for all the regular kids in the south of the town including those kids who lived on the council estate called '''CHARFORD''' which is where the school is located.

The South Bromsgrove kids had various names for the Bromsgrove School pupils which need not be discussed here but the unanimous name used by Bromsgrove School pupils for their next door neighbours was '''Chaf''' which when pronounced by kids with middle class accents sounded more like '''Chav'''.

In comparison to the smartly dressed Bromsgrove School pupils, the local kids tended to be scruffier, rougher and a little less well spoken which is where the sterotypical image has evolved from.

One reason which could be attributed to the country wide recognition and use of the term Chaf (or Chav) would be that typically a high proportion of pupils at Bromsgrove School were boarders coming in from all around the country during term time. On returning to their home towns during holidays they would continue to use the phrase to describe other kids who maintained the stereo-type image that had been created in the South of Bromsgrove.

[[User:83.104.170.53|83.104.170.53]] 22:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Paul H

== Bias ==

Ok fine, i will admit i personally have no sympathy for chavs when bad things happen to them, and i honestly hate them, but seriously, everyone deserves to have their label describes WITHOUT bias! Get rid of all this '(often cheap)' and 'tacky' because it puts bias into the page. This isn't a personal report, its a matter of fact report. But if anyone wants to edit it into saying (often depicted as cheap) then go ahead. By the way i have resons for not doing it myself

Ofthen cheap is a description and I believe it not to be biased. When was the last time you saw a chav wearing a real rolex watch for instance? A thing that does need altering is the racism in this article. eg 'Multi-coloured offspring' I think this is more than slightly unacceptable. ([[User:88.212.141.49|88.212.141.49]] 23:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC))

I really don't like chavs, but some of them are not that bad and as a result we should not discriminate them. They are pretty stupid though.--[[User:Jammidodger|Jammidodger]] 13:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC) :)

:Yeah, I think that paticular paragraph must have been a recent addition. I've given the whole thing a copyedit, removed some unsourced ludicrous claims etc. Cheers for bringing it up. --[[User:Robdurbar|Robdurbar]] 10:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

==Disambiguation==

I noticed that several links on the [[Chav#Rest_of_Europe | rest of europe]] section direct to the wrong articles. As an example [[Guna]], [[Mitra]], [[Brian]] and [[Manele]].

Could the editors of these (or someone else) create the proper articles and the disambiguation?

[[User:AxiomShell|AxiomShell]] 13:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

:We could just scrap the whole unsourced ugly section... --[[User:Robdurbar|Robdurbar]] 15:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

==Lily Allen==

What about Lily Allen? She's one of the biggest celeb chavs.[[User:Nukleoptra|Nukleoptra]] 18:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

* I have added an entry for her. As an American the first time I ever heard of the word was the repeated references in the comments section of her videos displayed on You Tube. I also added an entry for Tony Blair's Comic Relief imitation. I did hear part Blair's act on a radio newscast here and the word chav was used but have found no reference to the Prime Minster's act on that news organization or any other U.S. news organizations website.

==pikey not a synonym for chav==

In East Anglia the word "pikey" refers to gypsy or travelling people. I assume it is the same elsewhere.

Can "pikey" please be dropped from the list of synonyms 'less someone can produce a reference.

There are a large number of synonyms and regional variations of "chav", including "scally", "townie", "ned", "kev", "yarco", "dobber", "Mallie"[6], "Meader"[7], and in some areas, "Pikey".

Although some crossover must exist between "pikey" and "gypsy" groups they are considered to be separate.

[[User:Tarj|Tarj]] 01:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

:See the etymology for the word Chav. As in most cases it originates from a Romany word there is therefore a high correlation between slang words for gypsies and the word chav. -- [[User:Roleplayer|Roleplayer]] 02:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== "Classism" Not Relevant Here ==

When a group clearly defines itself by dress and behavior, and others refer to them by creating a name for the group, it is inappropriate to call it "classism" or "racism". (The key phrase here is "defines itself". A deliberate act.) Classism is an economic distinction over which many have little power, and race is likewise something that people cannot control. Naming a group of people who deliberately dress and act alike is neither classism or racism! [[User:Jane Q. Public|-- Jane Q. Public]] 04:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Southeast London 1997 ==

I remember the word "[[chav]]" but more often "chavvy" definitely being used in 1997 possibly earlier, it meant "boy" and usually not derogatory, but "common", it was usually used as a friendly term of address similar to say "bruv", "cuz" or "homey". [[User:Carlwev|Carlwev]] 10:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Pikey vs chav ==

I remember the word "[[pikey]]" was used in a derogatory way to refer to the stereotype anti social [[chav]] now depicted in the chav article. But around 1999 there became the distinction that: A pikey had to be a traveler or from a traveler family, usually used in a derogatory way to refer to the stereotype anti social traveler, but sometimes used in a derogatory or non-derogatory way to refer to any traveler whether they were anti-social or not - (What it had meant long before). - And a chav is the young anti-social stereotype what it means now. By now chav had long stopped being used for a friendly term of address. [[User:Carlwev|Carlwev]] 10:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== White Trash vs Chav ==

They both are very derogatory terms referring to lower class people that are not educated and drink a lot. The biggest difference in the meaning from what I read of chav on this page and how I hear white trash used in the states is that white trash does not have a criminal connotation. While people have contempt for white trash the pure hatred I see directed towered the chavs does not exist here. What does a have a connotation of criminality is the stereotype of black people who wear pants hanging low and caps worn backwards (that style has faded out) No single word to describe that look caught on in the states the way chav did in England. White Trash is mostly used in comedic routines. In the last few years the person most often described as white trash is Britney Spears. White Trash is not used to describe people in regular news articles. [[User:Edkollin|Edkollin]] 05:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:Lower class people in the UK have generally been seen as criminals - previous terms such as [[yobbo]] had the same connotation. As for "pure hatred" this article is particularly bad and a long way from NPOV. This reflects the ammount of snobbery in the UK and the demographics of our contributors. It's a long way from being Wikipedia's best. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 19:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:I beg to differ, 'Ed'. Perhaps in those funny little red counties that re-elected Bush 'white trash' and 'redneck' are friendly terms, but there is definitely genuine hate towards and a criminal connotation with the term in NY and San Fran (both places in which I have lived and regularly witnessed this sentiment), most recently this has been portrayed in the media by the gypsy family on FX's The Riches (gypsies are the same thing as white trash/redneck/hick). If a person fitting that label lived near my house, I would certainly feel it necessary to lock up my garage and would suspect them to be involved in some sort of criminal activity. And 'wigger' is a perfect "single word" that's equivilant to chav, the ONLY difference is that chav is not race limited, and wigger is limited to whites (and at times Asians) whilst Hispanics and African-Americans are not labelled the same way in America (although the stereotype exists, they're given a pass in our politically correct society) except by racists (usually). <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/74.39.34.170|74.39.34.170]] ([[User talk:74.39.34.170|talk]]) 12:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Use of "sweatpants" ==

As this is a British related article, wouldn't it make more sense to use "track suit bottoms" rather than "sweatpants" in the article? --[[User:82.153.4.68|82.153.4.68]] 18:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Better known as Trakkies, Or Traki's in arab terms.

[[Category:Jetwave Dave]] 28/06/07 00:59AM

== See Also: Canada ==

The term "Skeet" should probably be included in there.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skeet&defid=639227. {{unsigned|Baykur}}

== Russian synonym ==

I would like to add Russian synonym of chavs. In Russia they are called "Gop" .

You can find article describing this subcultural notion in russian wikipedia http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BF

This is a livejournal community http://community.livejournal.com/gopota concerning Gop

And here are some pictures of them

http://www.ljplus.ru/img3/l/a/laxyn/8pat8a.jpg

http://img1.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/dsf/dsfsdf-1165419243_i_9464.jpg

http://img1.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/dsf/dsfsdf-1165416999_i_4774_full.jpg

http://www.ljplus.ru/img/b/i/bigpipon/normal_IMG_2177.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/sn2op/abibas.jpg

http://www.softfacade.com/gop.jpg

http://ru.fishki.net/picsr/mail/avvvar.jpg

http://ru.fishki.net/picsr/mail/navech.jpg

http://img.dirty.ru/warehouse/craps/iofstkpp.jpg

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/7373/viewcn0.jpg <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Surjo|Surjo]] ([[User talk:Surjo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Surjo|contribs]]) 15:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:These are just poor whites? We're really not interested.. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 00:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

== Belgian and French synonyms ==

Belgium : chicho

France : tchawa, minch, prol, wesh wesh

== Wigger ==

I suppose wigger (white nigger?) is an American approximation for chav as it applies to whites who affect the African-American ghetto lifestyle or culture. Basically morons. {{unsigned|151.203.104.202}}

== Main picture ==

I suggest the main picture be replaced by the one of Gollum from Lord of the Rings as a chav (http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=Gollum+chav&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2). The current picture is quite cartoony and doesn't capture how distasteful they actually are. It looks almost cuddly, like some unruly kid, rather than the pseudo-methhead pallid-skinned spitting reality.

I will substitute this dozey chave with a more apropriate immage.--[[User:86.29.241.65|86.29.241.65]] 17:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

==What happened to "Townie"?==

Why was it deleted? I had an article that was linked to "Townie" (in the University sense), so I'm quite glad I just decided to follow up the link. [[User:Serendipodous|Serendipodous]] 19:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== about ali g ==

question... is Ali G, sacha cohen's character, a chav? I'm an american and not sure about chavs.

so is ali g chav or junglist or both?

== Finnish synonym ==

I would like to see a Finnish synonym added. I recommend the word "amis" or if possible, listing both "amis" and "pissis". There is slight difference in the meaning of these words, but I think amis is better match of these two. The word amis comes from ammattikoulu, which means vocational training school. Amis guys like to add spoilers, furry dices to their cars and do all kind of tuning. They often try to grow mustache or just don't care shaving every day and because of that have often fine hair on the upper lip. They like wearing sweat suit and baseball cap. Amis is often used as a prefix, like "amiskundi" which means "amis-guy".

Pissis is newer term and although is similar to amis, doesn't contain the desire for tuning cars or mustache. The term pissis comes originally from the word pissiliisa (which means pissing Lisa) and describes the fact that they tend to drink too much cider or beer and then urinate on public places. Pissis is more often used when talking about girls and amis is used more often when talking about teenage boys. Pissis doesn't have to come from undereducated family and she/he can go to high school, where as amis person just goes to vocational training. Pissis not often used as a prefix.

== lady sovereign ==

Lady sovereign considers herself a chav.

== Daniella Westbrook ==

Article looks well-balanced, would like to see mention of what was surely a defining role by Daniella Westbrook in associating Burberry with Chava/Charva culture.

== Happy Hardcore and Northern Charvas ==

In the north, charvas almost exclusively play Happy Hardcore and New Monkey on the speakers of their mobiles and through their car stereos, R&B and rap is more symptomatic of Southern charvs.

== "Chavs are often racist" ==

I removed this statement as it's unjust, of all these so called "chavs" I have known none of them have been exclusively racist.

:Agreed. We should try and avoid sweeping statements such as this wherever possible. -- [[User:Roleplayer|Roleplayer]] 17:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)