Talk:Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell) and Pride 2: Difference between pages

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==General==

| name = PRIDE 2

It would be noteworthy to include what media he was in when he stated he was "A pumpkin that hunts penguins for the phone company", as I don't know and I'd imgaine most don't.

| image = PRIDE FC II.jpg

| promotion = [[PRIDE Fighting Championships]]

| date = [[March 15]], [[1998]]

| venue = [[Yokohama Arena]]

| city = [[Yokohama]]

| attendance =

| buyrate =

| previousevent = [[PRIDE 1]]

| followingevent = [[PRIDE 3]]

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'''PRIDE 2''' was a [[mixed martial arts]] event held by [[PRIDE|KRS-PRIDE]] (later renamed PRIDE Fighting Championships). It took place at [[Yokohama Arena]] in [[Yokohama]], [[Japan]] on March 15, 1998. Kazushi Sakuraba, Mark Kerr, Vernon White, and Marco Ruas all made their PRIDE debuts at this event.

In Pandora Tommorrow, it was quoted by a man (whose name I do not remember) trapped in a freezing tank. Sam Fisher announces sarcastically that he works for the phone company and he needs his phone to track down Norman Soth (AKA Mortified Penguin).

== Results ==

I'm going to clean up the background page. Especially the part about his actions in the upcoming game. As the website is just promotional right now all the information should be regarded as speculative.

==={{flagicon| BRA}} [[Royler Gracie]] vs. {{flagicon| JPN}} [[Naoki Sano|Yuhi Sano]]===

Gracie defeated Sano by armbar at 33:14 of round 1.

==={{flagicon| BRA}} [[Juan Mott]] vs. {{flagicon| JPN}} [[Akira Shoji]]===

However, the new bio wl be summarized. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 16:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Shoji defeated Mott by submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 3:47 of round 1.

==={{flagicon| JPN}} [[William Roosmalen]] vs. {{flagicon| USA}} [[Ralph White]]===

I've stricken the line about him being a character from Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell novels, as the novels were not written by Tom Clancy and were not written until after the initial game's release. The character was based on Tom Clancy's world but not created by Clancy himself. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 17:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

William Roosmalen defeated Ralph White by KO (knee to the body).

==={{flagicon| JPN}} [[Kazushi Sakuraba]] vs. {{flagicon| USA}} [[Vernon White]]===

==Overhaul==

Sakuraba defeated White by submission (armbar) at 6:53 of round 3.

I went through and made some big changes. A lot of it were grammatical changes (you're supposed to have 2 spaces after ending a sentence hot dangit!), and a lot more in presentation.

==={{flagicon| BRA}} [[Renzo Gracie]] vs. {{flagicon| JPN}} [[Sanae Kikuta]]===

I created a template for the Fisher image, because I like those quick bio snapshots and I think it makes the pages look more professional.

Gracie defeated Kikuta by submission (guillotine choke) at :43 round 6.

==={{flagicon| TRI}} [[Gary Goodridge]] vs. {{flagicon| BRA}} [[Marco Ruas]]===

I removed the speculative information about the next game. I am aware that there is a website up right now (bewaresamfisher.com) that has information about Sam's role in the new game. But until the game is released this promotional information is speculative at best. Until it becomes SC canon, it should not be regarded as factual information about the character.

Ruas defeated Goodridge by submission (Heel Hook) at 9:09 of round 1.

==={{flagicon| CRO}} [[Branko Cikatic]] vs. {{flagicon| USA}} [[Mark Kerr]]===

I made some changes in the presentation of the facts. I know the novel has more background on the character (and I assume it can be regarded as canon) but there was even more speculative information drawn from that. Assumptions don't belong on a wiki page. On a discussion page, yes, but not on a fact page. (Some of these included the possible nature of Fisher's fighting style, and historical/military background. Worded as such with "It is possible".)

Cikatic was disqualified for grabbing the ropes at 2:14 of the first round.

==See also==

I organised the weapons under the "Tactics and Equipment" section. Before, all the weapons had their own sections, they are now all under the aforementioned group. I also removed the "thoughts" about the changing of the weapon names to avoid copyright infringement. As I don't believe that was truth and even the notes I removed were guessing on the matter.

* [[List of PRIDE events]]

== External links==

I will watch this page and will make efforts to delete any of the "speculative" information guessing to the role of Sam in the next game. It is not established that it is indeed he who is a robber baron now, and until the 4th game's story is revealed in entirety this information is not fact.

* [http://www.pridefc.com/ Official PRIDE Website]

* [http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=47 Sherdog.com]

'''Promotional material is not canon!'''

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[[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 18:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[[Category:Mixed martial arts events|PRIDE 02]]

[[Category:1998 in sports]]

:: I was going to mention how ''you're supposed to have 2 spaces after ending a sentence'' is a bit of a pointless thing to pick up on - are you going to go over the whole of Wikipedia correcting something that dates back to [http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=540926 typewriters and monospaced fonts] and is actually wrong is this context? - but the line ''A lot of it were grammatical changes'' just made me crack up.

==Weapon Notes==

Though I've never seen an official note about the SC and SC20k being based on their real world counterparts (it's fairly obvious) the connection is already mentioned. Adding it again is redundant so please stop.

Someone seems convinced that Sam's multipurpose launcher is an F303: Wrong. It fires a variety of less lethal 40mm ammunition, whereas the F303 can only fire .68 caliber riot rounds typically filled with Oleoresin Capsicum(pepper spray). This conclusion is supported by the weapon's in-game model, which is almost identical to FN Herstal's underslung grenade launcher, and very much unlike the F303. Furthermore, the F303 fires from a 15-round rotary magazine, whereas the game's multipurpose launcher is loaded one round at a time. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:71.55.25.64 |71.55.25.64 ]] ([[User talk:71.55.25.64 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.55.25.64 |contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

==A little bio change==

I removed this quote: "The website for the third game established that by this point he was a SEAL, fully integrated with his team and deploying into the Middle East from a carrier." It was established clear in the beginning of the second game that Sam Fisher was a SEAL. I also edited this passage to reflect this. [[User:Gibson Cowboy|Gibson Cowboy]] 15:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

== Age? ==

Could someone determine Fisher's age? I read somewhere that he was 54 in CT. Would be nice if someone could clear this up.

Sam Fisher is born in 1957. It says so in the booklet (NOTE: booklet NOT book!!!) of CT. (Pay attention now!!!)

The book probably isn't cannical to the main series- judging from Fisher's diffrent personality, 3rd Echelon's diffrent roster of employees and how exactly Fisher's job operates- so the bits about him gleamed from the book- like his wife's death- may not, in turn, have actually happened in the real series. It would probably be best if this was mentioned.

According to the Splinter Cell : Double Agent booklet, Fisher's age set to 43!

The Booklet said Sam Fisher is born in 1966. This new age setting would make the old Fisher's family setting unconvinced.

That makes him around the same age as Michael Jackson[[User:70.132.3.225|70.132.3.225]] 03:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== Height -- silly question ==

Does anyone know why Fisher is average at 5'10" instead of taller? I mean, are clandestine operatives supposed to be compactly built?

I guess if he was taller, he wouldn't be able to crawl and sneak so easily...¨[[User:83.243.30.224|83.243.30.224]]

And why does it say he's 5'9" in the bio, but 5'10 on the panel? Besides that, he looks much taller in-game, and is usually taller than all the enemies.

He usually appears taller when close to enemies because when he grabs people he forces their knees to bend at a 45 degree angle, making them appear a whole head shorter while being held. Also when approaching an enemy he is usually crouched and not displaying his actual height.[[User:70.132.3.225|70.132.3.225]] 03:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

==Five-seveN==

'5.7 mm ammo is touted by FN to be able to penetrate NATO kevlar vests and helmets...' using the ss190 round, yes. but yes, a suppressor would also reduce its effectiveness

-[[User:Lordraydens|Lordraydens]] 09:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Its relative ineffectiveness is probably due to the round's low stopping power- If the suppression prevented the round from penetrating armor, it would be completely ineffective. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:71.55.25.64 |71.55.25.64 ]] ([[User talk:71.55.25.64 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.55.25.64 |contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

Most players would agree it is worthless in combat. That is why we aim for the heads and shoot out lights with it instead.[[User:70.132.3.225|70.132.3.225]] 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

==Mutli-handedness==

Added the fact that Sam seems to be multi-handed, as he can switch which hand he fires his rifle and pistol with in Chaos Theory. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:68.63.71.41|68.63.71.41]] ([[User talk:68.63.71.41|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.63.71.41|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

This isn't really a big deal, but in CT, if Sam is equally adept at firing with both hands (which he is), then the correct term would be [[Handedness|ambidextrous]], not mixed-handed, meaning dextrous with one hand in some things, and dextrous with other things in the other hand.[[User:J-stan|J-stan]]

== "A gruff and no-nonsense type of person" ==

I don't think he's a "no-nonsense type of guy", at all. If it wasn't for the constant (in-)jokes over the OPSAT, then maybe then I would approve. --<b><font color="#FF4F00">[[User:Nlitement|nlitement]]</font> ^{<font color="#000000">[[User_talk:Nlitement|[talk]]]</font>}</b> 20:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

== Clothing ==

I added some information on the clothing Sam wears on his missions, in the game. Though I think it might need some improvement. So if anybody could look into it, and might add some stuff, I would appreciate it --[[User:Jort227|Jort227]] 16:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)