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Is it appropriate to link to a page that allegedly contains private information about Wikipedians? Isn't it against policy to link to attack sites? – [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] ^{([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]]) ([[Special:Random|random]])} 14:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Infobox Ort in Deutschland

|Art = Stadt

|Wappen = Wappen Vilseck.png

|lat_deg = 49 |lat_min = 36

|lon_deg = 11 |lon_min = 48

|Lageplan =

|Bundesland = Bayern

|Regierungsbezirk = Oberpfalz

|Landkreis = Amberg-Sulzbach

|Höhe = 395–450

|Fläche = 64.71

|Einwohner = 6429

|Stand = 2006-12-31

|PLZ = 92249

|Vorwahl = 09662

|Kfz = AS

|Gemeindeschlüssel = 09 3 71 156

|Gliederung = 35 [[Ortsteil]]e

|Straße = Marktplatz 13

|Website = [http://www.vilseck.de/ www.vilseck.de]

|Bürgermeister = Hans-Martin Schertl

|Partei = [[Freie Wähler|FW/ Arbeitnehmer-Eigenheimer]]

}}

:As noted in the story, the pages with personal information have apparently been taken down. Discussion on [[Wikipedia talk:Attack sites]] and elsewhere indicates that there's no consensus in support of a policy to ban links. As a journalistic matter, I judged that a link would be helpful to the reader (who may want to know more about the substance and style of the criticisms that have made Brandt so unwelcome, but which the story could only mention briefly). In terms of keeping a neutral, objective story and avoiding value judgments about either side, a link seemed appropriate. I'm open to hearing arguments against these reasons. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 16:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

'''Vilseck''' is a town in northeastern [[Bavaria]], [[Germany]] situated on the river [[Vils]], a tributary of the [[Naab]] river.

WW is linked at the DB article as indeed was the HiveMind page till it was withdrawn. A good decision to include, IMO, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 16:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The town is geographically separate from a nearby large American military base known as the ''Rose Barracks'' but more commonly referred to as Vilseck. The base, built in 1937/1938, was captured during [[World War II]] from the Germans; it was previously was known as Südlager.

:There is absolutely no guarantee that Brandt will not restore his information about the identity of Wikipedians who are trying to remain anonymous. Certainly, he was still posting on another site about his speculation about an administrator's name and ___location, ''after'' being unblocked, and as far as I know, his own site still has some extremely inappropriate attacks on Wikipedians. It is quite true that [[Wikipedia:Attack sites]] is not policy, and that there has been resistance to it on the talk page. Nevertheless, I have removed the link in accordance with the following two rulings from the MONGO ArbCom case:

The town of Vilseck's population was 6,484 citizens living within its area of 64,71km² in 35 hamlets and villages as of December 31, 2005. The town is 402 [[meter]]s above [[sea level]].

:* "Links to attack sites may be removed by any user; such removals are exempt from 3RR. Deliberately linking to an attack site may be grounds for blocking." See [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Links_to_attack_site|#Links to attack sites]]

Its name comes from a castle built in the year 920. At this time a "Burg" (castle) was called an "Eck"; thus the name Vilseck derived from: ''City next to the Vilsburg'' (Vilseck).

:* "A website that engages in the practice of publishing private information concerning the identities of Wikipedia participants will be regarded as an attack site whose pages should not be linked to from Wikipedia pages under any circumstances." See [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Outing_sites_as_attack_sites|#Outing sites as attack sites]]

===Nearby municipalities===

:I recall some time ago that Brandt said that if his biography was deleted, he would take down the page about ordinary users who had written about him, but would not take down the page which gave names, photos, and contact details of administrators (even those who had never had any involvement with him or his article). I see no reason to feel confident that the site will not be put back, as nothing that he has written since taking it down indicated that he now realized that it was wrong to violate people's privacy this way (quite the contrary, in fact), and frankly, ''I'' am not prepared to take that risk on behalf of others. [[User:Musical Linguist|Musical L]][[User talk:Musical Linguist|inguist]] 18:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Direct neighbour municipality are the municipalities [[Edelsfeld]], [[Königstein, Bavaria|Königstein]], [[Freihung]] and [[Hahnbach]].

== History of Vilseck ==

::Now if you had put this before removing the link the problem would have been solved. When dealing with good faith users reasonable requests are much more appropriate than unnecessary and seemingly angry block threats which unnecessarily create antagonism when we are all volunteers here trying to do our best, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 18:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I was actually in the middle of composing the message here when you reverted my removal. In addition, I do not think there was anything in that message that you were not aware of, as you have been quite vocal at [[Wikipedia talk:Attack sites]]. The block threat was perfectly reasonable in your case, as you are familiar with the ArbCom ruling, and have vehemently protested against making it into a policy. I would not, of course, have threatened a new user with a block, unless it was a single purpose account that was created in order to link to harassment sites. I can hardly think you were unaware that linking to that site causes people to feel threatened, endangered, and distressed. You have taken part in a lot of discussion about this issue.

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:::I'm sure all of the people who feel that not having some of their fellow editors feeling threatened, endangered, and distressed is more important than not having non-essential links censored would agree that it is better to remove the link first, and ''then'' spend ten minutes composing an explanation. With regard to your comment on my talk page about my not having been "discreet", I quite agree. You made it impossible for me to be discreet. I have on numerous occasions, quietly removed a link to some site that might place others in danger, and have then sent a discreet and friendly e-mail to the innocent user who had placed it there in the first place. Such incidents always ended amicably. Unfortunately, when someone knowingly reverts the removal of a link to such a site ''twice'', in full knowledge of the MONGO ArbCom ruling, that person makes the situation a lot worse than the kind of users I've been able to deal with discreetly.

Construction of the castle at around 925. Primary wooden watchtower with piling and moat, stone watchtower built in the 12th century. At this time a "Burg" (castle) was called an "Eck"; thus the name Vilseck derived from: City next to the Vilsburg. (Vilseck).

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:::Finally, I'd like to point out that when the ArbCom makes a ruling, we don't need consensus from the community. The resistance at the [[Wikipedia talk:Attack sites]] is irrelevant. I did not remove the links based on DennyColt's essay. I would have removed them if DennyColt had never appeared at Wikipedia. [[User:Musical Linguist|Musical L]][[User talk:Musical Linguist|inguist]] 19:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Destruction of the castle by Emperor Heinrich IV during a devastation campaign against Berengar from Sulzbach.

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::::It wasnt me who created the link in the first place and nor have I ever seen WW described as an attack site; your comments would be relevant to WR or ED but WW is still linked on the Brandt article as was the Hive Mind page until I removed it as a 404 the otehr day. Arbcom interpret policy they do not make it. I reverted a second time because instead of commenting here you used anti-vandal technology, encouragiong other editors to check my contribs by identifying me as a "bad user". I think you can hardly accuse me of linking to attack sites nor of knowing that WW is now to be considered an attack site therefore the message was entirely inappropriate and completel;y contrasting to your claim to want to be discreet (which blocking me would not be as my activity re DB issues is monitored by others on WR). Basically you seem to be assuming bad faith re me because I oppose the BADSITES policy. Now that may not have been your intention but it is how it came across to me. I'll remove the WW from DB, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 19:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

First documentation of the town "Vilseck"

1188-1268

:::::SqueakBox, I'll answer more fully on your talk page. [[User:Musical Linguist|Musical L]][[User talk:Musical Linguist|inguist]] 22:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Affiliation of Vilseck and surrounding areas to the administrative district of the Episcopal-Bamberg bailiwick (Vogtei) under the protection of the Stauffer Emperor.

1190

Earliest documentation of the second castle. In the following years construction of a new castle with the growing of the new city of Vilseck. City and Castle accrete.

1269-1802

Town area belongs to the administrative office of the Bishop to Bamberg.

1289

First documentation of "City" (ciuitatis) of Vilseck.

1332-1380

Construction of the city fortification: 940 m curtain wall, (9 m high, 1,60 m thick), 17 towers and three gates surrounded by a moat.

1380

Awarding of the city crest by Lampert von Brunn, Bishop of Bamberg.

Construction of the town hall (Rathaus).

Ende des 14./ Anfang des 15. Jahrhunderts

Construction of choir aisle and nave on Romanic foundation, remaining from 11th century, at the church in Schlicht.

1407-1412

Construction of parish church on from 11th century remaining Romanic foundation.

1430/39

Siting of the huge city pond, about 13 ha wide, as protection from enemies, (at that time the Hussiten). Existed until 1926.

1466

Construction of the Vogelturm "bird-tower" (far-known landmark and symbol of Vilseck).

1512

Castle is attacked, plundered and burned down by the knights Hans Pflug and Hand Selbitz, comrades-in-arms of Götz von Berlichingens . Afterwards - reconstruction.

1522

Majority of city, inclusively city hall, burns down.

Plundering of city through Margrave (Marktgraf) Albrecht IV from Brandenburg.

1620

Pillaged during 30-year-war.

1631-

1634

The black death carries off most of population.

1638/39

Pillaged during 30-year-war.

1648

1751-1754

Construction of the nave at Catholic church in baroque style.

1802

Since 1802 affiliation to Bavaria.

1803

Integration into the Oberpfalz. (Upper Palatinate District).

1808

Local villages, like Gressenwöhr, Irlbach, Langenbruck, Schlicht and Sigl, become political structured communities.

1838

After authorization through King Ludwig I. the Landgericht (County Court) is set in the Vilseck cityhall.

1852-1919

In this timeframe a "Vilseck District" exists as major regional authority with the communities of Adlholz, Ehenfeld, Gebenbach, Gressenwöhr, Großschönbrunn, Hahnbach, Iber, Irlbach, Kürmreuth, Langenbruck, Massenricht, Schlicht, Seugast, Sigl, Sigras, Süß, Vilseck and Weißenberg .

1864

City hall on fire. Ruin will be transferred to state government to construct new district courthouse.

1901

Opening of a public telephone office.

1908

Construction of the Grafenwöhr Training Area North, with displacement of larger parts of the Vilseck Bürgerwald. (forest).

[[Image:Vilseck-vogelturm.jpg|thumb|300px|Vogelturm in Vilseck.]]

1929-1930

Construction of water supply system

1937

Enlargement of water supply system to supply German Army Base.

1937/38

Construction of German Army Base (Südlager) in the Grafenwöhr Training Area. For the extension of the Grafenwöhr Training Area several villages, like: Langenbruck, Altenweiher, Altneuhaus, Bernhof, Betzlhof, Erzhäusl, Fenkenhof, Grünwald, Hellziechen, Kittenberg, Schindlhof, Schmierhütte and Wirlhof had to be evacuated.

1945

Capitulation of German Army Base (Südlager) to US Army

1946

Grand opening of a movie theatre.

Integration of the villages Schönlind, Ödgodlricht, Heroldsmühle und Gumpenhof from the broken down community of Irlbach, into the community of Schlicht.

1951

Construction of the new railway station.

1954/55

Construction of the local hospital.

1955

Connection of Schlicht to the city water supply system.

1956-1959

Construction of the Protestant church in Vilseck.

1957

Start of construction of the city sewage system.

1962-1964

Construction of the new school with gymnasium in Vilseck.

1981-1993

Extension and enlargement of Rose Barracks for about 1 billion marks.

2000

Grand Opening of "Erstes Deutsches Türmermuseum". (1st. German museum of tower watchman or tower keeper).

== Vilseck and the U.S. Army ==

Vilseck is home to [[Rose Barracks]], a U.S. Army base located just outside the town.

Currently the following units are based in Rose Barracks:

* [[2nd Cavalry Regiment (United States)|2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment]]

* 72nd Med Det VS

* A Co, 39th Finance

* HSC/B/94 EN Bn

* 2nd ASOS

In 1990, as part of 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division; [[U.S. 37th Armor Regiment#1st Battalion|1st Battalion 37th Armor]] was attached to the [[3rd "Bulldog" Brigade]] from Bamberg and deployed to Saudi Arabia for Desert Shield/Storm. [[U.S. 37th Armor Regiment#2nd Battalion|2nd Battalion 37th Armor]] along with the Brigade HQ proper remained deployed to Rose Barracks for the duration of the conflict.

In 1991, 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division elements still in Rose Barracks were redesignated 3rd Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division.

In 2005, the 3rd Brigade of the 1st Infantry Division departed Vilseck Germany after redeployment from Iraq.

In 2006, the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment (Stryker) moved to Vilseck. Vilseck and the Grafenwoehr Training Area will become one of the last remaining major hubs of the American Military in Europe.

==Trivia==

The town is home to Germany's first tower museum.

== External links ==

*[http://www.vilseck.de Information about Vilseck]

*[http://www.grafenwoehr.com Information about Grafenwoehr and the area]

*[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/vilseck.htm Information about Rose Barracks, Vilseck]

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