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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. <br >The result of the debate was '''keep'''. [[User:Joy Stovall|Joyous]] 17:57, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

It's very good to see all the pages on the well-known members of the Chicago Dept. of English, many of them people I recognize as a librarian. But the information you are supplying is not sufficient--there is a certain prejudice against academic people here and at least some of the articles will probably be deleted if they are not made more complete.

===[[John_Paul_Jenkins]]===

What is needed is:

*a list of books published, with some references to a review or two for each of the major books

*a list of major awards, prizes, editorships, & visiting professorships

*some sketch at biography--at least date & place of birth, & colleges and degrees and previous positions.

Please do this quickly--I will follow up and try to prevent deletion, but if I don't, just add the information and create it again. I'm one of the administrators here & I take a certain interest in this type of article.

The next thing to do, would be to perhaps add an article about a few of the seminal books from this department--take a look at other similar pages here to see the expected style. Any book with a well-known award and a few good reviews might be OK. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 03:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

This page has no potential to become encyclopedic. [[User:80.41.143.83|80.41.143.83]] 02:47, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, I try to upgrade articles when necessary as I can, but see what you can do first. The books you can certainly add: take them from WorldCat on the web. . Add it in the formal way

*'''Keep'''. Subject and centre of a prominent media scandal in the [[Welsh Assembly Election, 2003]]. Only Conservative on council for the fourth-largest county in [[Wales]]. [[User:Samaritan|Samaritan]] 03:06, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

''Title'' by Author, Place: Publisher, date. Some will have multiple editions, say so with the dates. You can probably get a list of papers at the department site--some of the younger people will have web sites. Then see what else you can get from Google Scholar. Ten years ago you would have needed the university-library sort of indexes--by now you can do quite a lot without them. Tell me when you're done & I'll check and adjust format.

*'''Keep'''. Strangely encyclopedic for an article that allegedly has "no potential to become encyclopedic".--[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 03:10, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

::I am ''very'' glad to have made the acquaintance of someone who knows Russian well, & who writes good English--I will undoubtedly ask your help sometime. Do you work with technical material, or what? I know just enough Russian to use a dictionary, but that's about it. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 19:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. Possible autobiography. Orphan. Are we going to have aricles on every person sitting on any government council for every settlement in the world? No. Just isn't notable. -[[User:R. fiend|R. fiend]] 03:34, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

**Yes. Eventually.--[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 05:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

***Come on, do you honestly think that Wikipedia is going to have council memebrs for the tiniest remotest settlements in the world? Or that that's even an aim? Who'd update them daily? Where would people even get the information to do that? Are they any more notable than the guy who owns the local laundomat? We're talking hundreds of thousands of people who hold some sort of official position some sort of minor government body, not to mention school boards. We still don't even have articles for every member of the House of Representatives. Of course, you want to keep the principal of every high school as well. -[[User:R. fiend|R. fiend]] 07:09, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

****That the House info is incomplete is entirely irrelevant. Because people are working on some pages of Wikipedia doesn't necessarily mean they're diverting their efforts from other pages. Everyone works on what they're interested in, and only what they're interested in. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 10:46, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*****I only mentioned the House to give an idea of what a pipe dream including every elected official in the world is. By the time we have the House complete there will probably be a new House (although with the incumbent re-election rates it won't be terribly "new"). I admit this guy ''may'' be notable enough for an article (I haven't competely changed my mind) but this idea of including any person who won an election (or lost, some people want to have articles for losing candidates as well) anywhere at any time is silly. -[[User:R. fiend|R. fiend]] 17:09, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

**No, we aren't. The local councillors whom I vote for do a good job, but what they do is only relevant to a few thousand people, if that. I'd vote against encyclopaedia articles on them if their jobs were all that could be said about them. Unfortunately for those who also serve by keeping their eyes on vandalism and litter, politicians who are involved in scandals that reach national news outlets ''do'' rate the encyclopaedia articles, if only barely. TINJ. There's a lot of padding in this article, too. '''Weak Keep''' and send to '''Cleanup'''. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 14:44, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. How is he not notable? He is the only Tory councilor for a large constituency in Wales, and was the centre of at least a moderatly well known scandal. We have articles on many Canadian politicians holding similar positions. [[User:Rje|Rje]] 04:12, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. His age alone is almost worthy of notability. Could use a bit more expansion with regards to the scandal if in fact it was as major a news event as Samaritan says. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 04:56, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Weak keep'''. Barely notable. --[[User:Juntung|JuntungWu]] 09:07, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. If there was a controversy surrounding his previous candidacy, people may come to Wikipedia for NPOV information on him. That's what I do when I want NPOV information on anything or anyone controversial. --[[User:Angr|Angr]] 09:13, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. Seems to me it's already encyclopedic. Just because an article is short or very specific doesn't mean it's bad or useless. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 10:46, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' [[User:Pcpcpc|Philip]] 15:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. It seems like the most notable thing he did was say something construed as homophobic on a blog which later came back to bite him politically. Regrettable, but not particularly notable. --[[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] 18:39, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. Other than a single off comment (which he doesn't take full responsibility for) not notable or notorious. --[[User:LeeHunter|LeeHunter]] 19:48, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 22:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. Notable enough for me, for being the sole conservative representetive on two councils - particularly age 24. [[Carmarthenshire]] isn't some insignificant island nobody has heard of, but a significant area of south-west Wales. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 23:35, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''The facts in this article could be of use to someone, so i see no reason to get rid of it. [[User:578|bakuzjw]] [[User_talk:578|(aka 578)]] 23:48, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

**[[WP:WIN|Wikipedia is not a collection of facts.]] It is an [[Wikipedia:Encyclopedic|encyclopaedia]]. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 14:33, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)

***Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, ergo it inherently cannot be anything ''other'' than a collection of facts.--[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 12:34, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

****[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] and [[Wikipedia:Encyclopedic]] explain the point that I was making in detail, and I ''did'' hyperlink to them, in an attempt to save having to reiterate the entire point in laborious detail in VFD. That attempt has clearly failed. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 13:06, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

:::::You have failed only to explain how an encyclopedia can contain information that is not factual.--[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 22:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

* Obvious keep (as per [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]]), bogus nomination - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 22:54, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

* '''Strong Keep'''. I thought this might get listed by the author at some point (look at the similarities in all the IP addresses used, including the one at the top of this page) but I haven't been keeping an eye on it. The author, who I initially thought was John Paul Jenkins himself but claims to be someone close to him seems to object to the idea that creating a Wikipedia article doesn't give you the right to keep unwanted facts out of it, in this case the only thing that makes this man notable: his (alleged) homophobic comments. I recommend a look at the article history and the talk page where I have tried to engage in discussion with the rather reticent author of the article. I have also made efforts to NPOV it and I intend to do some digging and write a bit more on what Jenkins is alleged to have said and the controversy that ensued. &mdash; [[User:Trilobite|Trilobite]] [[User_talk:Trilobite|(Talk)]] 20:46, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

* '''Keep'''. Why would anyone want to delete this? Good article, subject a local politician of some notoriety. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 23:53, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

*'''Comment''': this looks likely to be hugely more encyclopedia-worthy than, say, anything whatever in [[List of vehicles in Star Wars]]. But I still don't see anything noteworthy about this man. Welsh tories are indeed rare, but what has he done about it? He's made homophobic comments in an internet chat room, which is routine behavior for young right-wing twits, and then claimed that they were taken out of context, which is ditto. His campaign slogan was as vacuous as they come: is anyone going to respond, "No, ''lying down'' with Llanelli!"? He strikes me merely as a young right-wing nonentity. Tell me something he's done, and I'll vote "keep". -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] 00:14, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. One on many tens of thousands of councillors and alledged comments were of mere local noteworthyness. -[[User:Tedmcshed|Tedmcshed]] 01:45, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

**(This user's only contribution.)

*'''Keep''', notoriety, notability, already a well written article. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 04:44, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'''Delete'''. I want to say keep as an example of what one should expect from people of such political persuasion... but he is just a local councillor. And there are thousands and thousands of them. And most, I imagine, have opened their mouths to change feet on more than one occassion. Carmarthenshire deserves better entries than this!

*'''Keep'''. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]^{[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]} 22:27, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

*''''Keep''' It might be of use to someone and it's encyclopedic. If there's room for the hobbyist posts, then surely there is room for this. [[User:Junes|Junes]] 23:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Craft of Research==

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I'm not sure what's in my userspace is a good basis for an article, but I've started a stub at [[The Craft of Research]] if you want to expand it. [[User:Phil Sandifer|Phil Sandifer]] 15:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

==Hello==

Good to see you coming as I bid a goodbye to this nightmare called Wikipedia. Good luck and hopefully Jimbo (Jimmy Wales) will not call your contributions a hoax (as he did mine)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/First_International_Conference_on_Neoplatonism_and_Gnosticism]. Oh well whatever. I have started to work on several articles and I have not been able to do anything on the ''catacombs in Kiev'' justice. I would hope that you do them honor. I was hoping for some help on the [[Nikolai Lossky]]~ eh?

Also I really did not get time to work out a simple explanation of his personal intuitivism all though I started with his general overview of the processes of the mind that he worked out with [[Semen L. Frank]]. I was however able to at least get a small [[Vladimir Lossky]] article created in Greek. But I am unable to get the history of when V Lossky fought against the Nazis in France during World War II as part of the French Resistance ''in English'' also his article in Russian is anemic. Also the [[Russian philosophy]] article I was unable to complete because I never got around to translating the Russian for the the names in red. I tried to add human rights violations like the holomidir to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church]] but a Stalinist keep deleting it. I have tired to get an article about atheistic mass murder but it got deleted too [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Historical_persecution_by_atheism]. Ha the truth isn't Pee Cee.. I have been working on this article though [[Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union]] I am more then positive it is not PC enough and will get deleted eventually. I created a tried to work on [[Anne Applebaum]] a tiny little bit on [[Mask of Sorrow]] and I keep getting my work deleted from [[Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn]]. I have touch only lightly on Alexi and I am not up to the fight, I am tired, disgusted and done.

Theotokos Bless you always!

[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] 01:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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