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The English translations of the Latin titles seem wrong. E.g, isn't "summa" more like "summary" than "sum"?<br>[[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] 22:07, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
To MykReeve: I basically copydesked the page, and have no opinin about the facts. According to the original contents, however, THIS guy is some anonymous 14th century Spaniard who assumed the pen name of [[Jabir Ibn Hayyan]], in Latin "Geber". The REAL Jabir Ibn Hayyan/Geber lived in Islam in the 8th century.<br>So, are you saying that this information is wrong, and there is only one Jabir/Geber? Or perhaps that this "anonymous Spaniard" was actually another Muslim, coincidentally with the same name as the real Jabir/Geber/McCoy?<br>Thanks,<br>[[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] 17:15, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
:Ah no. I have no opinion on the facts either. I was editing the first paragraph because it didn't appear to agree with the second paragraph. I'd not realised that both names were pseudonyms and that his real name was unknown. Perhaps, for clarity, this should be mentioned. - [[User:MykReeve|MykReeve]] 20:58, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
OK, done.<br>[[User:Jorge Stolfi|Jorge Stolfi]] 00:12, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
==Not an Iranian==
There seems to be a tendency for editors to keep associating this guy with Iranians and the category of Iranian scientists. While he was indeed born in Iran, he was born to an Arab family and lived most of his life in Iraq. I am not the anonmyous user that removed the categories but I do in fact agree with him.[[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 23:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:Even if we set aside Jaber's Iranian-ness by birth, consider the following:
:In Baghdad, Jaber lived amongst Persians. He was trained, schooled, and cultured by Persians. His patron was none other than Khaled Barmaki, the Persian vizier, as was almost 95% of the entire scientific establishment of Baghdad, all imported from Iran. (see "Golden Age of Persia", by Richard Nelson Frye, Harvard University, p162, 165, for corroboration.)
:In fact, the Baghdad of Jaber's time was an Iranian city. It was planned and designed by a Persian Jew and Zoroastrian, based on the Persian [[Firouzabad]], on the ruins of the Persian [[Ctesiphon]], populated by people from [[Jundishapur]] and [[Khorasan]]. Even the caliph [[al-Ma'mun]], who established the House of Wisdom, himself was half Persian.
:Conclusion: Jaber is '''both''' affiliated to Arabs and Iranians. This is an accepted fact. And I think it is fair to say '''he was both'''.--[[User:Zereshk|Zereshk]] 01:10, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::I am unsure as to how you use the label Iranian interchangeably with the label of Persian. Are Arab-Iranians also Persians? Geber should belong in a list of Iraqi scientists or Arab scientists, not Iranian scientists. As for now, I will let it stay as long as he is clearly identified as an Arab of Yemeni origins in both this article and in the List of Iranian scientists. Also, please try to see where the anonmyous user is coming from on this article. At the beginning this article described Geber as a Persian and had no mention of him being Muslim. It is a source of great pride for many Arabs that the "Father of Chemistry" is in fact an Aboriginal Arab from the peninsula. Regards, [[User:Yuber|Yuber]] 01:23, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Jaber is also of great pride for Persians. And Iraq did not exist in the 8th century. [[Ctesiphon]], capital of Persia, was in what today is Iraq. Nevertheless...
'''Let's agree that he was both Arab and Persian'''. I think that is perfectly reasonable and fair, and avoids an ugly war of racism from starting here.--[[User:Zereshk|Zereshk]] 01:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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