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This page deals only with deleting templates (anything in the [[Wikipedia:Template namespace|Template namespace]]). Templates are used, for example, to create reusable boilerplate messages and article series boxes. Please see [[Wikipedia:Template namespace]].
 
On this page, templates that are nominated for deletion are discussed and voted on, preferably to reach [[consensus]].
 
Deletion of templates may be appropriate if the template does not conform to the following.
* Templates should be helpful and noteworthy;
* Templated should not be redundant;
* Templates should be used;
* Templates should not be [[WP:NPOV|POV]];
* Templates should not generally be used within other templates - see [[Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates]].
 
Templates that have been listed for more than five days are eligible for deletion if either a consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to its deletion have been raised (disputed- see talk). Such templates should be dealt with as soon as possible.
 
Archived discussions are logged per the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log]], and are located at [[/Log/Deleted]] and [[/Log/Not deleted]].
 
For guidelines on acceptable boilerplate messages, see [[Wikipedia:Template namespace]].<br />
For guidelines on acceptable article series boxes, see [[Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes]].
 
===Voting and discussion===
Anyone can vote, but please ''give a reason'' when doing so. Please explain how, in your opinion, the Template does not meet the criteria above. Comments such as "I like it," or "I find it useful," while potentially true, generally do not fulfill this requirement. It also helps if you '''Bold''' your actual vote (i.e. '''Keep''' or '''Delete''').
 
Nominating stub templates for deletion is perfectly valid here - the votes at [[WP:WSS]] do not have deletion priviliges.
 
===Examples of votes===
* '''Keep'''
* '''Delete'''
* '''Convert to category''' (categorify); to indicate that you feel that all pages containing this (article series box) template should be moved into a single category. The template can then be deleted.
* '''Convert to list''' (listify); to indicate that you feel that all pages containing this (article series box) template should be moved into a single list. The template can then be deleted.
* '''Redirect'''; redirect to more popular or fitting title.
* '''Rewrite'''; suggests that the template serves a purpose, and that it could do this more elegantly.
* '''Retitle / rename / move'''; usually for offensive or otherwise poorly chosen titles.
* '''Userfy'''; suggests that the template should be moved to a user's subpage. Used for personal templates.
* '''Subst:'''; single-use templates can be replaced by the template values by using the ''subst:'' parameter in the template (e.g. <nowiki>{{subst:templatename}}</nowiki>). Then the template can be '''deleted'''.
 
===Nominating a template===
Templates listed on this page do not need to be orphans prior to listing, and in fact should not be removed from pages prior to listing. However, templates must be removed from all pages prior to deletion. Currently, this can only be done manually.
 
* ''Step 1'': To nominate a template, leave it as it is. Do not blank it, as this looks confusing on any pages on which the template is used and may be considered vandalism.
* ''Step 2'': Place {{tl|tfd}} in the top of the Template. ''For clarity, this message should be added inside the box where applicable.'' This adds the following message:{{tfd}}
* ''Step 3'': Link to the template on this page. Create a header under [[#{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|today's date]] at the '''''top of the section''''', linking to the template, such as <nowiki>====[[Template:Toiletpaper]]====</nowiki>, and put your comments beneath it.
* ''Step 4'': Give due notice to interested parties by substituting &#123;&#123;subst:[[Template:tfdnotice|tfdnotice]]|''nominatedtemplate''&#125;&#125; on relevant talk.
 
== Listings ==
Please put new listings under [[#{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|today's date]] at the '''''top of the section'''''.
 
===May 27===
==== [[Template:VfD-Page name]] ====
(and redirect [[MediaWiki:VfD-Page name]])
 
This was at one time part of the old VfD instructions as an empty link in the sample VFD entry. I couldn't think of a way to make it a speedy deletion candidate, but it's completely pointless. The history shows the only edits were votes made due to mistakes when someone forgot to change the link after they created a VFD entry, prompting the final revision as seen. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 19:06, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
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====[[Template:12345]]====
Currently completely empty. Originally a personal infobox. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 13:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Speedy Delete''' [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 13:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Speedy''' -- Why nominate it here? Just tag it for speedy. Done. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 14:08, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Star stub]]====
I know what you're thinking, but no - this isn't a stub template. When WP:WSS was looking for undiscovered stub templates a few weeks ago, we discovered {{tl|star stub}}, a stubby infobox used by the Astronomical WikiProject. WP:WSS had star-stub (for articles on stars), and thought the names were too easily confused. With the great cooperation of WikiProject Astronomical objects, {{tl|Star stub}} has become {{tl|Starbox short}} (to which Star stub currently redirects. It's also been deprecated - all the articles which used it have had the new template name put on them. To remove potential confusion, then, Star stub should now be deleted. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 12:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
:I've noticed a few people now think "stub" is a general term for any template :| [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 12:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
::Well, WPAO called this one star stub because it was a shorter version of their normal star template. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]]
*'''Delete'''. An easy decision. A confusingly named, and now unused template. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 13:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:PD-Germany]]====
 
The template is severely misleading/plain wrong: normal photographs are copyright until 70 years after the death of the creator (as agreed on the template talk page). There should be ''some'' PD-Germany template, but a corrected template would not necessarily apply to the images which currently are tagged with this template. I therefore suggest deleting and starting again rather than rewriting this template. (Note: the template is protected; I hope it was OK to add the tfd tag). [[User:Markalexander100|Mark]][[User talk:Markalexander100|<sup>1</sup>]] 06:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
*I agree, '''delete''' this, and check and re-tag all images where it is used. German copyright law is ''complicated:'' whether something is PD (i.e., copyright expired) depends on a whole lot of factors, including ''which version(s) of the law'' was/were in effect while something was still under copyright protection and the question of who (if anybody) holds the copyright on WWII images. And the newest version of the copyright law, intended to make it compliant with EU law, even ''retroactively'' puts previously "copyright expired" stuff under copyright protection again because suddenly Spain's longer 80-year term is said to apply. It's a mess. To be on the safe side, just assume there are ''no'' German PD images post-1905. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
**Post-1905? 100 years? Why?? --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup>[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</sup> 09:25, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
***Well, I'm no lawyer. If you can find a later date, be my guest. But to be on the safe side, I'd only assume PD for anything from Germany if I'd tag it with <nowiki>{{PD-old}}</nowiki>. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 10:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
****And I just see that 1905 would apply to the year the author died... Oh well. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 10:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. We could definetly use a clear explanation about the copyright of Nazi-made WIII images, I find a lot of arguments 'it was done by Nazis so it is not copyrighted', and I don't know what to respond. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup>[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</sup> 09:25, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
**"It was done by Nazis so it is not copyrighted" is fallacious. As a rule of thumb, ''everything'' is copyrighted unless past its expiration date (varies by country, generally 70-100 years), or explicitly released by the author. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 10:00, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': This template was TfDd a few weeks ago, see [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/May_2005#Template:PD-Germany|here]]. There were complications and no consensus was reached. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 12:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
===May 26===
 
====[[Template:Otheruses5]]====
Unnecessary over complication of disambiguation, we have enough disambiguation templates to do everything we could possibly want to do, the only thing this one does as well is give a short introduction to what page is about. Which the introduction will do anyway. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 23:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Otheruses4]]====
Though the code is slightly different, as far as I can tell this does exactly the same thing as {{tl|Dablink}}, except that the creator of dablink bothered to list it on [[WP:TM]], so that one actually gets used. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 23:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 
 
====[[Template:Obsolete SI prefixes]]====
Converted to article, at [[Obsolete SI prefixes]]. Template now obsolete. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 11:49, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. (Speedy candidate in talk proposal) --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' -- Obsolete. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 14:21, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Memoryalpha]]====
Nominated by [[User:Metaeducation]], who didn't list it here. Request deletion presumably on the same grounds as [[Template:Hrwiki]] discussed below, i.e. Advertising for a non-Wikipedia partner. Why should Memory Alpha get such extravagant publicity? Add the link to the Wiki in the External Links. I'm '''abstain'''ing for now. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 10:22, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
:It's not more extravagant than ("advertising" {D'oh!} for) Wikispecies... --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Keep'''. Same purpose as {{tl|Hrwiki}}. Leave this to the trekkies to orphan. Then we could delete it, but I see no reason to do so now. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 12:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. See my comments under the deletion nomination for [[Template:Hrwiki]]. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]]
** Also: To [[User:Metaeducation]]: This nomination is counterproductive. If you really wanted us to consider keeping [[Template:Hrwiki]] you should not have nominated this template. Now TFD voters are going to be much more likely to say "delete both", rather than carefully consider the points that I brought up in the Template:Hrwiki discussion. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 13:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*** A good point, and if I thought a template was the right solution, this would certainly fall under [[Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point]]. But as it happens, I am not too interested in the survival of either template. I'm just interested in the creation of a policy page which helps meet the need that the templates were trying to fill. What you're pointing out is that VfD may not be the right venue for developing a solution; you're probably right there. [[User:metaeducation]]
* '''Delete''' unless Hrwiki is kept. Consistency. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 13:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', but much smaller, more along the lines of {{tl|imdb name}}: should be used for making good links to Memory Alpha without the advertising. --[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 13:44, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
:It's no "advertising" because no one wants to sell something... --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
**I actually agree with that; if it is kept, it should be trimmed a bit, it's too much of an eye-catcher (considering that [[Template:Wiktionary]] is pretty small). [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 13:45, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
::I don't accept that a project like Wikispecies has the right for such a template and the MA not. And the Wiktionary template is '''not''' smaller, not on my screen. And yes, it ''is'' an eye-catcher, because it ''shall be one'' - imo, many Trek-articles that use it belong ''only to the MA'' because Wikipedia is not a Wiki for (all) fictive terms. (Or only for well-known like [[Ork]] or [[Darth Vader]] e.g.) If an eye-catcher can contribute to less specific Trek articles here and redirect them to MA, it's better for WP and MA. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
***If it were reverted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Memoryalpha&oldid=9781142 this version], would that be acceptable? (added bonus, it would then be consistent with {{tl|Memoryalpha article}}, its sibling) --[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 17:11, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
:::No, see above. Memoryalpha article will be changed too, I just had a lack of time. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Delete'''; allowing this would allow everyone to advertise here. -- [[User:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 13:47, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
:It's no advertise... --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Delete'''. If the material on Memory Alpha is significantly better and really adds something, just use the external links section, that's what it's there for. --[[User:Weyes|W]]([[User talk:Weyes|t]]) 15:26, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
 
:MA must not be better, it shall redirect the contributors to the ''responsible Wiki'' for Trek-terms, and that's ''not'' Wikipedia. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Delete'''. Aside from the other reasons mentioned here, for aesthetic reasons. We already had a number of External links to Memory Alpha, which have been replaced with this template, so now we have External link sections that only contain this box hanging off the right side. The External links were fine as they were, the template is ugly. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 16:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 
:It's definitely not uglier than the Wikispecies template. (Maybe you viewed it on [[Andorian]] e.g. - then you are right, but thats the guilt of "*" in front of the template...) The problem with placement concerns also other templates, and in the articles where I added it, I placed it better (on the top) - unfortunately some people changed this... --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep'''. Trek is iconic to pop culture in a manner which few others can claim. Advertising can't be a concern when including items in an encyclopedia, or the extreme result would be no entries for any branded products. We have Tolkien stubs, etc. Are they next? [[User:Ayeroxor|Ayeroxor]] 05:50, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''': A highly valuable indiciator that additional info exists on science fiction Star Trek articles. Should stay in all Star Trek articles. -[[User:Husnock|Husnock]] 06:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep but downsize''' -- Useful to have a template for consistent linking. Good to put the link under External Links. Better to reduce its overall importance. Best to move 90% of Trek-related fancruft to [[Wikipedia:Wikifan]] &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 14:16, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
 
:Consent to the idea of bringing Trek articles to an own platform, but the ("bigsize") temp shall do exactly this by redirecting the contributors to MA and "keep them away" ;-) from here. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Keep''' but downsize to original single-line (non box, no graphic) version. I am the original author of this template, and as is explained on [[Template talk:Memoryalpha]] I think this template should be used for several reasons. Most importantly, '''this is preferable to using simple hyperlinks because this creates an easy-to-detect explicit connection between two databases that could potentially be used in a [[JOIN]] operation at some point in the future'''. This is hardly "advertising" for Memory Alpha; MA is a non-profit wiki site that provides the kind of information people reading Star Trek articles on wikipedia are looking for. [[Template:imdb_name]] could more credibly be said to be "advertising", because IMDB is an ad-supported Amazon company (whereas the ads on MA are placed there by their wikicities host afaik). But obviously imdb_name is good too, because it ''gives readers the information they want''. This template was only recently expanded (by someone else) to be a big box like the wikimedia sister projects' templates all use. I am now going to revert that change to make this more like the imdb template, so that it only takes up one line of text. <tt>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</tt> &#9786; <sub>([[User_talk:Leif|talk]])</sub> 20:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 
:You're right, IMDB is commercial, MA not, and MA ''is'' a kind of sister of the WP, that's why I changed it (and other things, see above). --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
General: I won't accept a deletion because all Wiki projects have the same right to be mentioned (and linked) here, not only "official partners" like Wikispecies. That's not the Wiki idea. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 21:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Ha]], [[Template:Hc-list]], [[Template:Hc-ref]] and [[Template:Hac]]====
Delete as a matter of cleanup. See [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Half-decent articles]].
''(The idea behind this is to have a system similar to WP:FAC, to determine when an article is 'half-decent' and label it as such. This system has not been advertised, discussed or even used, and frankly I fail to see the point. Is it by itself half-decent? I don't think we should bother archiving this since it isn't even a failed proposal.)'' [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:31, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''delete'''. I guess they won't be needed. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 12:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' -- The VfD nomination is inappropriate. VfD does not concern itself with Wikipedia-namespace pages. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 14:27, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
**You are wrong. Read VFD policy. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 15:12, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 
===May 25===
 
====[[Template:Special]]====
Only used in one place, and redundant with [[Template:Specialpageslist]]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 10:03, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Obsolete to [[Template:Specialpageslist]] (although I would not mind if we use a redirect instead). The only places it is currently used is on user pages. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 15:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**I have no objections to it being userfied instead. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 17:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*<del>'''Keep'''.Templates for personal use don't need to be standardized and thus multiple version should be allowed to exist. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 16:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)</del>
**'''Userfy'''. In keeping with my views expressed elsewhere, this template really needs to be in User space.--[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as long as it stays in the User namespace, which I take to be the intention. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 16:58, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
**Do you mean ''userfy'', then? It isn't presently in the user namespace. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:52, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*Move. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 07:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:semi-policy]]====
Deprecated. Use [[Template:Guideline]] instead. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 14:08, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
***Had no consensus earlier, but I'm relisting it on grounds that [[:Category:Semi-policy]] has been deleted, and the keep voters hadn't been aware of the fact that semi-pol has simply been ''renamed'' to guideline, which was created about a month ago. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:06, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Delete''' - [[Wikipedia:semi-policy|semi-policy]] concept said that there are unwritten, common sense rules to which people can be held accountable. Well, if they're unwritten, how can pages on the wiki be so-marked? -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 15:37, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Netoholic's right. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 16:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''.--[[User:Mrfixter|Mrfixter]] 16:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' [[template:proposed]] -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 21:04, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
* <s>'''Delete''', though in these deprication matters I think we do need to accept the need for some "ambiguously policy" tag. Redirect to [[Template:Ambiguous]]</s> '''Keep''' - BlankVerse is right. Don't depricate terms legislatively. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 04:42, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
**Disagree with both redirects - a 'semi-policy' is not usually 'proposed', nor is it 'ambiguous'. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:50, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Semi-policy has been "Deprecated" without adequate discussion. Thus deleting this template is setting policy which shouldn't happen here. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 11:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' for reasons explained on [[Wikipedia talk:Semi-policy]]. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 16:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' - To join the majority -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 19:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Other existing classifications are sufficient, and adding more just adds confusion. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 01:51, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*::It's not not adding one classification, it's deleting one. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 15:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
** I assume [[Template:Semipolicy]] will be deleted as well? (It should be, since it just redirects to Template:Semi-policy.) -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 02:01, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''': agree with BlankVerse. [[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] 13:47, 2005 May 19 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' --- agree with BlankVerse. This is a sneaky way to undermine the policy process. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 07:37, 2005 May 21 (UTC)
**In response to the above two votes, please read BlankVerse's talk page; I do believe I have convinced him. Semi-pol hasn't been deprecated, it's been renamed to 'guideline'. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:17, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
****WRONG! I am still convinced that you and the small group of people that have been organizing the Wikipedia policy pages have not just been organizing them so that they are easier to understand (which was a very good thing and was desperately needed), but you have been "''reorganizing''" them and have been making major changes in Wikipedia policy. I am still convinced that originally there was Policy, Guidelines, and Semi-Policy, and that one entire category of Wikipedia rules and procedures has been eliminated because the group doing the reorganization did not like or understand the ambiguity of the Semi-Policy category. I also find it disturbing that these changes have been made without any major discussions, or any announcements at [[WP:RFC]], or [[Wikipedia:Current surveys]]. It's okay to [[WP:BB|Be Bold!]] on non-controversial Wikipedia articles, but the watchwords for Wikipedia policy should be "Be cautious", and "[[Wikipedia:consensus|Seek consensus]]". [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 10:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*****So respond to your talkpage already. '''CATEGORY:GUIDELINES was created ONE MONTH AGO''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedia_guidelines&action=history]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 10:54, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
 
*** '''Keep''' -- This is a sneaky, underhanded way to undermine policy for private ends. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 10:18, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I've seen it used [[User:Falphin|Falphin]] 17:47, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
**Read up on what has happened lately - it is no longer used. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 07:04, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' semi-policy~=guideline. Template:Guideline on something like [[Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks]] is simply misleading. I'm sure most of editors don't endorse censorship on Wikipedia. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**Some pages may be miscategorized - [[Wikipedia:Sofixit]]. Most editors do endorse RPA. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 10:54, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
***Look at the survey on the Talk page or [[WP:RPA]]. It has, at most, a bare majority of votes for making it policy, so there is certainly no [[Wikipedia:consensus|consensus]]. I've seen editors who regularly use the page as policy, but I've seen it mostly used as part of a suggestion&mdash;that is, remove your [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] or I will do it for you. I've also seen editors who have become very irate when something that they have written was removed based upon RPA, and I've seen editors who absolutely do not like having any attacks removed from their Talk pages. I don't think NPA "fits" as a Guideline, but it did "fit" as Semi-Policy. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 11:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
****This really belongs on RPA:Talk. Note that 1) consensus is not determined by voting; 2) RPA has seen regular use for the past years and thus is ''de facto'' accepted, and 3) this is only true by ''your'' definition of semi-policy, which (unlike guideline) is not a term found in any dictionary. ''You consider semi-pol weaker than guideline, but lots of people think the exact opposite.'' [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 11:29, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
****I've archived old stuff from RPA:Talk and advertised the discussion on WP:W, RFC etc, in an attempt to get consensus (not vote) on whether this should be policy, guideline, discouraged or forbidden. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 11:36, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', in a lot of cases semi-policy makes more sense than guideline. --[[User:Weyes|W]]([[User talk:Weyes|t]]) 15:37, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
*<s>'''Keep'''</s>. I've looked through some of the contents of [[:Category:Guideline]] and all of the articles there appear to have had their {{tl|Semi-policy}} replaced with {{tl|Guideline}} unilaterally by the people supporting the current deletion with no discussion on any of the pages. '''In fact ... [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Maintenance]] was moved from [[:Category:Wikipedia_official_policy]] to [[:Category:Wikipedia_guidelines]], unilaterally and without discussion on the page, 2 days ago.''' There is definitely likely (or it smells like) a revisionist agenda in play here. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 17:25, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
**Revised Vote = '''Delete'''. I've been told by an admin @ WP:VFD that the page I pointed at wasn't really policy even though it was labeled policy. In that case, I question now whether policy of any kind can be maintained in the face of determined editors. All this policy/nonpolicy talk has now taken on a different light ... much of it just prattle interfering with building an encyclopedia. So, bottom line is there really isn't any such thing as policy - it's all just suggestions of conduct; and consensus - what's that in the face of being bold? Therefore, just delete away, folks. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 02:12, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I don't understand why semi-policy has been disposed of. It was slightly confusing, yes, but I think it was an important distinction. [[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]] [[User talk:Smoddy|(Rabbit and pork)]] 17:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - [[User:SoM|SoM]] 17:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:Olditalic]] ====
Yesterday's entry seems to be gone away somewhat. This template was only for the article [[Old Italic alphabet]], to which I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Old_Italic_alphabet&diff=0&oldid=14163375 merged the template]. --[[User:PuzzletChung|Puzzlet Chung]] 05:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''delete''' unused --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 16:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:Weirdness]] ====
Just because the person listing an article for deletion thinks it's weird doesn't make it unencyclopedic. "Weird" and "strange" are going to appear insulting to newbies. "It is not necessarily nonsense" seems unnecessary. Weirdness should not be a criteria for speedy deletion. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 04:55, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', weird but not nonsense is good. --[[User:Weyes|W]]([[User talk:Weyes|t]]) 11:03, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', utterly useless. -- [[User:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 15:15, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. "Weird" and "strange" should also not be on [[WP:CSD|CSD]] because they are more subjective. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 15:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''<nowiki>{{db}}</nowiki>''': this template is a candidate for speedy deletion because it does not match Wikipedia [[WP:CSD|CSD]] Policy. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 16:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Strange and weird articles go to either [[Wikipedia:Unusual articles]] or [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]]; unencyclopedic articles go to [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion]]. Neither of them are causes for a speedy deletion. --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 19:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**Or occasionally get [[WP:BJAODN|BJAODN]]'d. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 06:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. --[[User:Minghong|minghong]] 00:57, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:Bxscience]] ====
Template which was created for use on one article and can only ever be used on one article. I have since removed it and put the template code directly in the article. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 03:19, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 15:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. one-article-only template --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 16:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''subst:''' and then '''delete'''. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 16:44, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' ... defintely want to avoid such specialized templates. [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 16:56, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
 
===May 24===
==== [[Template:GC]] ====
This "general complaint" tag does not make any sense to me, and it appears to be unused. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. I've never seen the point of this template from the beginning; it's useless, uninformative and confusing. I've had the idea of TFD'ing it in the back of my mind for months now. <font color=green>[[User:Szyslak|<font color=green>{{IPA|s&#618;zl&#230;k}}</font>]] [ [[User talk:Szyslak|+t]], [[Special:Contributions/Szyslak|+c]] ]</font> 03:11, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' unused --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:User en-!]] ====
This was apparently lost in VfD since 10 May 2005.--[[User:Nabla|Nabla]] 23:00, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
 
(begin text moved from [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/User en-!]])
 
If no one links to this page or uses the template, why is it here? --[[User:BradBeattie|BradBeattie]] 13:12, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Delete''' - Seems to serve no useful purpose. [[User:Sukh|Sukh]] 21:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Wikipedia is not a soap box. --[[User:EnSamulili|EnSamulili]] 14:30, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' But perhaps there should be en-0 for does not use English instead? --[[User:Bobbagum|Bobbagum]] 20:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
** &#123;&#123;[[template:user en-0|user en-0]]&#125;&#125; actually does already exist. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [[User talk:Knowledge Seeker|&#2470;]] 23:36, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
* What is this user doing on the English Wikipedia, then? '''Delete'''. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles&nbsp;P.]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;<small>(Mirv)</small>]] 23:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
(end text moved from ''Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/User en-!'')
* '''Delete''' as per above. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:23, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''BJAODN''' (note the '''D''' in that). --<span style="font-family:monospace">&nbsp;[[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 23:48, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''', not useful, and don't put it on BJAODN, because it's hard to find anything really funny there anymore and this would dilute it further, etc. [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] 23:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Move to BJAODN if qualified as a bad parody. --[[User:PuzzletChung|Puzzlet Chung]] 04:47, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''BJAODN'''. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 07:44, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''BJAODN'''. Got a chuckle out of it. [[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]] 07:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. this ain't even funny--[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 16:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
* Keep. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 20:27, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' -- joke template and not very funny. I ''like'' brocolli. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 14:30, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
 
====[[:Template:Limitedgeographicscope]]====
Offensive POV. For a new user to come and see this slapped on their article would be a major turnoff. It also perpetuates an unsupported contention that there is systemic bias in Wikipedia. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 23:22, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Delete.''' We can find ways to bridge the various geographical divides on Wikipedia, but this is not the way. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' It is phrased in a non-offensive way and it serves to make clear that an article can be limited in scope. I don't see what's POV here, let alone what's offensive. I've never seen it being slapped on brand new articles; it has done good work in making editors aware of the fact that many seemingly well-developed articles still can have large gaps. Just an hour ago (before this TFD nomination) I added it to [[Beekeeping]], which is actually a rather nice article, but which unfortunately overlooks the history of bee-keeping and the phenomenon of bee-keeping in the non-Western world. Also, I fail to see why the inherent systemic bias of Wikipedia would be an 'unsupported contention'. I'm working in the field of African languages and linguistics. I could create and expand lots of articles every day, week after week, on subjects in that area that absolutely need to be covered by any encyclopedia. What is that, other than the clear result of systemic bias? &mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 23:46, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*There has been claims by users on here that there is some type of geographical bias on here, that many articles are slanted in a American/English/Aussie/Canadian point of view. What Rick is saying that by slapping this template on various pages, it is saying that this idea is very true, thus turning off users who might come from areas where they might not have our viewpoint, so they will go away. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
**Are you really saying that users having a different viewpoint or coming from a different part of the world would go away because of this template? To the contrary, I think it encourages them to contribute to make the article more comprehensive in scope. &mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 00:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. This template should be used more often. For one, it warns readers that the article they are reading is centred on, well, usually the Western world. If anything, another template should be created, to allow for explanatory text. -- [[User:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 00:36, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', we don't need templates for everything. <font color=green>[[User:Szyslak|<font color=green>{{IPA|s&#618;zl&#230;k}}</font>]] [ [[User talk:Szyslak|+t]], [[Special:Contributions/Szyslak|+c]] ]</font> 03:16, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete''', bad idea. We already have too many cleanup-related mechanisms, and that means that something tagged for some-kind-of-cleanup is unlikely to become noticed. That is a [[bad thing]]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:02, May 25, 2005 (UTC)</s> Convinced by the below, so '''keep'''. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 13:57, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comments'''
#Note that this template is tied to [[WP:Bias|WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias]]; articles tagged for this ''are'' noticed by participants of this project. In other words, unlike some comments here suggest, this template is not floating around in space or going unnoticed.
#I also want to point out that there is a subtle difference from cleanup here: articles like [[Shopping cart]], [[Water resources]], or [[Sociology of clothing]] wouldn't seem in need to be tagged for cleanup. In fact, the articles look generally well written, properly wikified, referenced even &mdash; but the limitedgeographicscope tag is there to point out that the articles give the impression that the subject only occurs in, or is only relevant to, the United States or the Western world. This is important to point out, because sometimes editors are not sufficiently aware that they are writing for a much larger audience than the States or the broader Western world (cf. [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-March/038102.html what Jimbo said] about our goal). &mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 09:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' POV, and this can be slapped on half of Wikipedia articles. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**Care to elaborate on how this is POV? Did you look at the three examples I gave above? Is it just a point of view that they are geographically limited in scope, or is it simply a matter of fact? Also, I don't think the fact that many articles are limited in scope is a valid reason to delete this template. (It might even be a reason to use it more widely.) &mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 11:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', helps to build NPOV. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 10:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep!''' "Unsupported contention"???? Although I can't remember where they are, I've seen several notes on Wikipedia User pages where the users have compared Wikipedia coverage of various international topics to those in other encyclopedias, or have used other ways of measuring the Systemic Bias present on the Wikipedia. The template absolutely should be kept. I can think of dozens of more articles where the template needs to be added, where the text is only about the Western world (or sometimes only about the US and/or UK), but the topic itself is applicable to many places or cultures around the world. This template is only put onto an article's talk page, where it will only be seen by regular Wikipedia editors. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 10:58, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', this is a very useful template. In the same way that having several types of stub, having several types of cleanup tag help things get fixed - this is very different to wikification, for example. The articles its placed on can be very high quality with regard to the topic in one part of the world (and not necessarily just the western world, it could be anywhere) but signifcantly less so elsewhere. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 11:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', if you look at the pages it's applied to you'll see that Wikipedia has loads of pages full of systemic bias: I slapped it on [[gay rights]] (well, the talk page) yesterday because it hardly discusses anything outside the English speaking world. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 11:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep.''' Particularly useful as far as cleanup templates go and actively watched; trying to delete this is madness. [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 12:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', but only if its is placed on the talk page. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 12:20, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*The delete arguments are mostly bogus:
**Those saying "delete, POV" - this is bogus - NPOV does not apply on talk pages, where this template should be used.
**The other deletion reasons tend to be some vague notion about too many templates. I partly agree - but that doesn't mean ''this'' particular one is delete-worthy.
*Finally, I think there is a small amount of deliberately disrupting WP to make a point in this nomination. Anyone who's interacted with RickK is likely to know that his attitude is not likely to sit comfortably with CSB project members attitudes. Part of the reason for this nomination was to take a pop at those people. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 13:30, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**I wouldn't have listed it, if the "limited worldview" POV weren't attached to it. This is a deliberate slap in the face to those editors who don't kowtow to the idea that everything American and/or Western is inherently bad. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 21:24, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
***[[WP:NPOV]] requires that '''all''' viewpoints are represented fairly, both western and non-western. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 01:04, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
**** RickK, you do realize you can edit templates too? I see nothing wrong with the current wording, but if you disagree, a better solution would be to propose a different one. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 03:57, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*****I did. It was reverted and I am currently under a barrage of criticism for having done so. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 23:34, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
***Well again, NPOV doesn't apply on talk pages. However the idea that supporters of this template think "everything American and/or Western is inherently bad" says more about you than the template. [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|Pete]] 07:12, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
***Nonsense, the template is not saying "delete references to America because there's too many of them", it's saying "add references to the rest of the world because there aren't enough of them". [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 10:54, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', and keep on talk pages. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles&nbsp;P.]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;<small>(Mirv)</small>]] 17:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep'''. To take one of many examples, an article which covers the [[history of circumcision]] without even mentioning African animist and Australian Aboriginal traditions of circumcision has a problem that needs addressing, even if its coverage of circumcision in parts of the world better known to most Wikipedians were featured-article quality. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 19:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', It certainly helps with CSB. --[[User:Dmcdevit|Dmcdevit]] 19:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', and of course only have it on talk pages. [[User:Wikiacc|Wikiacc]] 19:49, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' [[User:Ojw|Ojw]] 23:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Deeeeeelete'''. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 23:14, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''keep'''[[User:Geni|Geni]] 01:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Potentially very useful. Interpreting this as somehow "anti-western" is perverse. It doesn't even mention "the west". [[User:Peregrine981|Peregrine981]] 03:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Encourages an international perspective on articles that may otherwise be any kind of centric (Eurocentric, Afrocentric, etc.) [[User:Ziggurat|Ziggurat]] 05:59, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' and strong agreement with [[User:Pcb21|Pcb21|]]. This is bordering on a fatuous listing, IMHO. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] | [[User talk:Filiocht|Blarneyman]] 11:01, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep'''. I do not understand how this template is anymore POV than <nowiki>{{cleanup}}</nowiki>. How [[User:RickK]] can claim that it "perpetuates an unsupported contention that there is systemic bias in Wikipedia" is beyond completely me. Perhaps he should look at [[WP:CSB| the CSB Wikiproject]] and also explain why there are 92,100 pages[http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=United+States+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org&btnG=Google+Search&meta=] in english Wikipedia mentioning 'United States', only 21,000[http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=China+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org&btnG=Search&meta=] mentioning China and 17,000[http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=India+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org&btnG=Search&meta=] mentioning India. Unbelievable. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 19:37, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
**Just keeping score, there are now 4 votes for delete and 19 for keep. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 19:37, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong keep'''. The template is not only useful for adding non-Western perspectives to articles, it is also useful for adding non-Northern perspectives. -- [[User:B.d.mills|<SPAN STYLE="font-family:monospace; color:#006666; background-color:#ffffcc; border:1px solid #ffaaaa;">&nbsp;B.d.mills&nbsp;</SPAN>]] ([[User talk:B.d.mills|Talk]]) 02:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Can't conceive of any good reason to delete this template. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 12:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 18:22, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep'''. Without this, people will slap POV tags on articles that aren't classic POV, but rather needing expansion. This template fits nicely... more accurate than POV, more specific than NeedsExpansion. [[User:Feco|Feco]] 23:18, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
===May 23===
==== [[Template:Video Editing]] ====
A useless (category already served same purpose) and biased (named as "Video Editing" but only some of the NLEs are listed) navigational template. It also once messed up with the [[:category:lists of software]] (now fixed). --[[User:Minghong|minghong]] 11:17, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', would be better as a category. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 17:12, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:Npovs]] ====
Yet another miniature version of an existing template ([[Template:NPOV]]) from [[User:Stevertigo]]. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 20:33, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' - will discuss its use with the [[WP:NPOV|NPOV]] regulars - to counter [[WP:HT|Template madness]] -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 21:04, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
** Please do discuss with them, but carry that discussion on the talk page of the original template. We only need one to perform this function, whatever size is agreed upon. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 21:17, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', one template per purpose, [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 21:58, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': redundant...but certainly discuss with the NPOV regulars. --[[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] <small>([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades|contrib]])</small> 23:38, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] 07:27, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' -- Useful tool. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 07:40, 2005 May 21 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - is less obtrusive than the NPOV one while still marking that there is a dispute. [[User:Abeo Paliurus|Abeo]]<small> POV: [[User talk:Abeo Paliurus|Jesus is the Christ]]</small> 13:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - No need for miniatures. [[User:Andros 1337|Andros 1337]] 04:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
**I'm relisting this at the top since it doesn't have consensus now, ''even if'' most other 'smaller' templates have had consensus to delete. Please disucss. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 08:43, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' deliberate template forks. Inline on [[Template talk:POV]] first, though. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 15:32, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' No duplicates. --[[User:Minghong|minghong]] 16:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. There should only be one template for each administrative purpose. Feel free to discuss revisions on the original template Talk pages, the Pump, and/or via an RFC. --[[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] <small>([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades|contrib]])</small> 16:31, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. The NPOV warning ''should'' be obtrusive. [[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] 18:22, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. No duplicates. &mdash; [[User:Mark Dingemanse|mark]] [[User Talk:Mark Dingemanse|&#9998;]] 00:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. There are already too many templates. I'm scared of them. I'm going to go hide. -[[User:Joshuapaquin|Joshuapaquin]] 04:14, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep and ''inappropriate listing''''' -- If you fail to gain consensus the first time around, that's it. Drop the matter and move on. &mdash;</s> [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 10:24, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
**You're not allowed to vote twice. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 11:41, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Don't create duplicates outside userspace. Try to convince people of your views so the main template s can be improved. This is just not the way to go about this and antogonizes people. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 11:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', NPOV fork. -[[User:Gtrmp|Sean Curtin]] 23:55, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 
==== [[Template:Protecteds]], and also [[Template:Tfds]] ====
Barely in use, and redundant with [[Template:Protected]] and [[Template:Tfd]] respectively. The creator believes in smaller versions of existing templates. That may or may not be a good idea, but it should be discussed (for instance here, or on the village pump) before xe unilaterally forks off new templates. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 19:01, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
:The creator has put up [[Wikipedia:Template standardisation/Sizes]] to discuss the layout of the templates. That sounds good to me, but I hold that we should not have two different templates for the same function. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 19:42, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 
* '''Delete''' - The creator split these off because he has been repeatedly reverted (see history of [[Template:Tfd]]) and hasn't made a convincing arguement for change. I'm ready to file an RFC if he doesn't stop with this disruption. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 20:35, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I think Ive made a convincing argument, and Im glad that both of you have repeated these. I have not heard a convincing counterargument though &mdash;just assertions that 'verbosity is inherently superiour,' that 'there should be pre-consensus for anything to exist,' and that anything being Bold only applies if there is consensus &mdash;which is somehow best represented by the bottom feeding crew. Perhaps VFD pages serve a function other than giving people the kinky satisfaction of deleting something, but Im not quite sure what that is ATP. -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 21:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
** Dude, "being bold" is fine right up until someone tells you you're doing something wrong. After that, continuing to do the wrong thing and then invoking "being bold" is inappropriate. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 21:49, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
***On the TFD template, there were four people sufficiently opposed to your proposal to revert, and I haven't seen any support as of yet. Being bold is laudable, but consensus appears opposed to this particular suggestion. As a side point, I oppose having two different template forks ''a lot stronger'' than I oppose your revision of the TFD template. The latter is a matter of taste, the former of principle. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 07:44, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
*<del>'''Move''' to userspace for further discussion. -[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 14:23, 13 May 2005 (UTC)</del>
**That means '''delete''' from template namespace. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 11:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' well Im glad that the idea of choice is being considered. - Again, the apparent 'there should be pre-consensus for anything to exist' argument is a silly one, particularly if it suggests a ''process bias'' where the munch crew is much more keen to delete than make changes, Dude. -[[User:Stevertigo|SV]]|[[User_talk:Stevertigo|t]] 05:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
**Nobody claims there should be pre-consensus for anything to exist. Simple fact is that you want the existing template changed, and at present the majority opposes. That has nothing to do with process bias. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 16:22, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
**I'm relisting this at the top since it doesn't have consensus now, ''even if'' most other 'smaller' templates have had consensus to delete. Please disucss. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 08:43, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' deliberate template forks. Inline on [[Template talk:Protected]] and [[Template talk:Tfd]] first, though. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 15:30, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. We should have one template per administrative purpose. Feel free to discuss on the original template's talk; there's certainly an argument to be made for more concise/less visually obtrusive templates. --[[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] <small>([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades|contrib]])</small> 16:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep all''' -- it's much wiser to put up variants than to edit war over the template. Let's see how the new versions do. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 10:21, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
 
====All old VFD pages in Template namespace====
 
Listed at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=VfD&namespace=10], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=VfD-LambofGodMusic&namespace=10], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=VfD-Y-windows&namespace=10]. Maybe they should be all moved somewhere, or archived, but I believe the precedent on this page is to delete individual pages. [[User:Smoddy|Smoddy]] [[User talk:Smoddy|(Rabbit and pork)]] 20:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*Has been mentioned before, and I do think most people support the deletion; however given the sheer amount of work this would be best done by bot. It's been listed at [[Wikipedia:Bot requests]] for awhile, but nobody much seems ever to respond to that. Maybe I'll just have to ask someone personally if he has spare time. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 06:59, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Revenue]]====
I created this template to expedite the entry of revenue into the [[Template:Infobox Company|company infobox]]. I did not realize however, that one cannot pass a template as a parameter because the curly braces interfere with the parent template. This template is now useless. &mdash; <font color="#cc0000">''oo64eva (Alex)'' </font><sup>([[User: oo64eva|U]] | [[User_talk:Oo64eva|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Oo64eva|C]])</sup> @ 16:13, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
 
:Speedied [[User:BrokenSegue|'''B'''roken]][[User talk:BrokenSegue|'''S'''egue]] 23:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 
 
 
====[[Template:Sub-stub]] and [[Template:Substubs]]====
Wow...deja vu! These two are currently redirects to [[Template:Stub]], but the first is only used on four articles (soon to be recategorised) and the second isn't used at all. Both invite the risk of someone restoring [[Template:Substub]] - which actually happened (and was speedy-deleted) earlier today. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 11:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Deja vu indeed. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 12:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''D'''. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 12:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''elete'''. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 13:11, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 13:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Begone''', foul fiend, to the crypt from whence you camest. --<span style="font-family:monospace">&nbsp;[[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 14:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
**I believe "from whence" is a tautology... not that it matters... &mdash; [[User:Flamingspinach|flamingspinach]] | [[User_talk:Flamingspinach|(talk)]] 22:38, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
*'''Hey''', what happened to substubs and how do I mark a substub when someone writes one? When [[Template:Substub]] was deleted? Either way, I disagree with its deletion, substubs are not stubs and should be kept separately. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 19:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
**<nowiki><</nowiki>[[snark (speech)|snark]]<nowiki>>{{delete}}</snark></nowiki> -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 20:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
***Sorry Grue, but per [[WP:WSS]] it's going to be [[fait accompli]] on this one. Mark substubs as regular stubs, so they can be put in the appropriate stub category for faster expansion. There used to be thousands of stubs and substubs, now less than a hundred. Yay WSS! [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 21:04, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
****Not ''quite'' yet, but we're getting there. The number of uncategorised stubs has gone from about 31,000 stubs and substubs to under 5500, though. Give us a couple of weeks :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 07:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*****(taking off my pink sunglasses...) [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 08:57, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' to [[Template:Delete]] to train folks not to use variants of <nowiki>{{substub}}</nowiki> anymore. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 15:25, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep and NOOB''' -- This falls within [[WP:WSS]]; if they approve it, it stands; if they delete it, it's gone. Either way, it does not fall within our purview. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Special:Emailuser/Xiong|<font color="#997749">&#29066;</font>]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]][[User:Xiong/Metatalk|<font color="#009900">*</font>]] 10:28, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
**Do we need to start putting "member of [[WP:WSS]]" next to our votes? The nominator and probably half the people voting on this deletion are participants of [[WP:WSS]] where the deletion of of these stub templates has full and enthusiastic support. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 11:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**"Templates", "Deletion" - which of those two words are you having trouble with, Xiong? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 12:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
* Delete. No WikiProject, no matter its self-importance, can supersede Wikipedia deletion process. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 20:27, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
**That's not Wikipedia policy, nor should it be. Common sense alone says that sometimes there are templates and articles proposed for deletion that should be referred to the appropriate WikiProject or Regional Notice Board for feedback to make sure the right decisions are made. Also, even though the VFD and TFD voters are usually very good at recognizing when something has been nominated in an attempt to create policy and vote down such nominations, the deletion process should never be used to try to set policy. Wikipedia deletion policy is not sacrosanct. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 06:33, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Tupsharru|Tupsharru]] 18:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[Template:Table suffixes]]====
Since it has no meaningful ordering other than alphabetic (nor can I conceive of one) this should be changed to a '''category''' instead. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:20, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', better served by a category. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 17:13, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', it makes browsing between different lists of suffixes easier. [[User:Gerritholl|Gerrit]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Gerritholl|C]][[User:Gerritholl|U]][[User_talk:Gerritholl|T]][[Special:Emailuser/Gerritholl|E]][[Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Gerritholl|D]][http://topjaklont.student.utwente.nl/ H]</sup> 10:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*I generally don't like long template with article series, but this one is fairly concise. '''Keep'''. [[User:Docu]]
*'''Keep''' for above reasons. --[[User:Merovingian|<font color="FF0000">M</font><font color="CC9900">e</font><font color="FF9933">r</font><font color="FFFF00">o</font><font color="CCFF33">v</font><font color="66FF33">i</font><font color="00CC99">n</font><font color="3399FF">g</font><font color="0000FF">i</font><font color="330066">a</font><font color="330033">n</font>]] [[User talk:Merovingian|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Merovingian|(c)]] 10:52, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' if a category is going to replace it. &mdash; [[User:Timwi|Timwi]] 10:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', I agree with the reasons given by Gerritholl and Docu. [[User:Lexor|Lexor]]|[[User talk:Lexor|Talk]] 11:23, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
* It seems that most of the articles on this templates are linkfarms and thus really categories. One also redirected to [[List of English suffixes]]. I think that each suffix should be a subcategory of [[Category:English_suffixes]]. That would then nicely collect all links which are now in this template. Thus it can then be '''delete'''d.--[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:16, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - English has lots of suffixes. I don't see why these particular ones merit a showcase, or really what they have in common. A category and/or list is the way to go. [[User:FreplySpang|FreplySpang]] [[User talk:FreplySpang|(talk)]] 15:30, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 
====[[:Template:Hrwiki]]====
Advertising for a non-Wikipedia partner. Why should Homestar Runner get such extravagant publicity? Add the link to the Wiki in the External Links. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 05:58, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
*'''delete''' - I saw the name and thought it was going to be a link to Croatian Wikipedia! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 07:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''delete'': spam. [[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 14:22, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Advertising. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 15:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*A sistertemplate for a non-sisterproject. '''Delete''' it till it glows. &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 15:22, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
**Question: If this template is deleted, then what will happen to <nowiki>{{memoryalpha}}</nowiki> template? Plus, Grutness, people will usually Wikilink to the Croatian Wikipedia by placing hr:the title of the page in Croatian, at the bottom of the page. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 23:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
:'''IMPORTANT:''' don't mix up Memory Alpha and Homestar Runner Wiki. MA is the biggest Wiki for fictive terms in the world, HRW is much smaller and Homestar Runner Cartoons are not as famous as Star Trek is. And MA is ''not commercial''. --[[User:Memory|Memory]] 22:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
::I do support your notion that the MemoryAlpha wiki is a more "pressing" example for helping to set policy than the Homestar Runner wiki. But regarding a "commercial" comparison: (1) Homestar Runner gives away all episodes/content for free (Star Trek doesn't), and (2) the homestar runner wiki has [[HRWiki:Ledger|fully transparent accounting]] and no advertising whatsoever, not even from the host (MA has "Ads by Gooooogle"). [[User:Metaeducation|Metaeducation]] 11:31, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*Yeah, I know that... but the name could well have been a template saying something like "This article has been translated approximately from an article in the Croation Wikipedia - please help us by correcting any grammatical errors." [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]]
* I ([[User:metaeducation|metaeducation]]) made this template because there's crazy duplication between the homestar runner wiki and the wikipedia. I'd like people to review the outlined issues in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Hrwiki|the talk page]] for the template before commenting. I think that keeping it as a template rather than a simple link is ideal for several reasons, though whether the template renders as a graphical ad is a separate concern. If there is something HRwiki has to do in order to become a sister project, can we investigate that process?
**If HRWiki wants to become a sister project, I'd suggest they take the matter up with Jimbo, or with the Board. If not, then they really have no business claiming that they are. '''Delete''' for now. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 14:46, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Although I personally don't think that there should be any templates like this, we already have at least one other in [[Template:Memoryalpha]]. There are going to be more and more special topic [[Wiki]]s on the internet which will have some overlap with the Wikipedia, and so there will probably be more templates created that are similar to this one. Perhaps this is something that needs to be decided by consensus, rather than a vote at [[WP:TFD]]. [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 19:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**It seems that the outcome of this should at least be a written-out policy on what should be done in this situation and there's no way that one of those can be formed unless people articulate themselves beyond "Deleteth". In fact, I'm going to put the memoryalpha template up in Votes for Deletion so they have some incentive to weigh in... [[User:metaeducation|metaeducation]]
***NO! That would be making a [[WP:POINT]], which will also get you shot down very quickly in any of the Wikipedia deletion debates (even if the Wikipedia [[WP:RULES]] do say [[WP:bite|Please do not bite the newcomers]]), and if you do it regularly will get a [[WP:RFC|Request for comments]] filed against you. It will be best for you to look at [[Wikipedia:How to create policy]] and also try to find an appropriate [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] that could help you (or try to find other [[Homestar Runner]] enthusiasts who are more familiar with Wikipedia [[WP:RULES|Policy]] to help you). [[User:BlankVerse|<font color=green>''Blank''</font><font color= #F88017>''Verse''</font>]]<font color=#2554C7> </font>[[User talk:BlankVerse|<font color=#F660AB>&empty;</font> ]] 06:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
# '''Deleteth'''. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 20:29, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Leave this up to the people working on articles about [[Homestar Runner]]. Once they decide to orphan this template we should delete it. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 12:01, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' unless Memoryalpha is deleted. Consistency. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 13:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
**I guess you would need to delete [[Template:imdb_name]] and [[Template:ibdb_name]] too then, right? <tt>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</tt> &#9786; <sub>([[User_talk:Leif|talk]])</sub> 20:44, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''; allowing this would allow everyone to advertise here. -- [[User:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 13:49, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
**Perhaps you should view it as cooperation. It's not like these templates are on random pages or anything. --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 15:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', this is what the external links section is for (if the relevant article is good enough). --[[User:Weyes|W]]([[User talk:Weyes|t]]) 15:27, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' but downsize. This shouldn't get a special box like Wikimedia sister projects' templates do. It should be a single-line link, just like [[Template:imdb_name]] and numerous others. This is obviously useful if the ___domain name or URL scheme for the site were to change. Also, as I have said before about [[Template:Memoryalpha]], this type of template is preferable to using simple hyperlinks because this creates an easy-to-detect explicit connection between two databases that could potentially be used in a [[JOIN]] operation at some point in the future. <tt>'''~'''[[User:Leif|leif]]</tt> &#9786; <sub>([[User_talk:Leif|talk]])</sub> 20:31, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
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==Holding Cell==
''Move templates '''here''' to prepare to delete '''if''' process guidelines are met.''
 
*'''Consensus for delete''' for the below (all discussions have been moved to the log page)
** [[Template:New TFD]] <s>(and redirect at [[Template:TFDNotice]])</s>
** [[:Template:Cfd-howto]]
** [[Template:Comicbookpub-stub]]
** [[Template:Pnpov-d]]
** [[Template:Pseudoprotected]]
** [[Template:Keydrive internals]]
** [[Template:Helpout]]
** [[Template:Boxstub]]
** [[Template:Protected/sandbox]]
** [[Template:lgbt]]
** [[Template:Notpolicy]]
** [[Template:Valid]]
** [[Template:2005Calendar]] through [[Template:2024Calendar]]
** [[Template:Rfmf]]
** [[Template:WikiProject:Community]]
** [[Template:Ambiguous]]
** [[Template:Noimage]]
** [[Template:See also2]], [[Template:See2]]
** [[Template:Project usage]]
** [[Template:EU 10]] and [[Template:EU coins]]
** [[Template:history]]
** [[Template:USculture]]
** [[Template:PD-MNGov]]
** [[Template:Standard template style]]
** [[Template:GenericCountryStub]] and its redirect [[Template:GCS|GCS]]
** [[Template:GenericCountryStubDetail]] and its redirect [[Template:GCSD|GCSD]]
** [[Template:2stub]]
** [[Template:Importantstub]] and the redirect [[Template:Important-stub]]
** [[Template:Fridtjof Nansen class frigate]]
** [[Template:Nointernal]]
** [[Template:Cobauth]]
** [[Template:Intro/1]] (after subst'ing and stuff)
** [[Template:Tc]]
** [[Template:AU-bio-stub]]
** [[Template:AU-actor-stub]], [[Template:FR-actor-stub]], [[Template:SE-actor-stub]]
 
*'''Nobody objected''' (or even responded) to nomination for the below (all discussions have been moved to the log page)
** [[Template:Template_messages]]
*** This one never had the TfD warning slapped on it, so I'm leaving it. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 17:47, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
**** I think it's safe to remove it; its creator (and sole user) said, in [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/May 2005]], that it was "Archived - deleted". [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_*]] 09:51, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
 
*'''Consensus for delete, with userfy as an option''' for the below (all discussions have been moved to the log page)
** [[Template:Box]] (already userfied)
** [[Template:Color dot]]
** [[Template:Wiki]]
** [[Template:Smoothhenry]]
 
===To orphan===
These templates need to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (it doesn't need to be an admin, anyone can do it) should remove them from pages so that they can be deleted.
 
;[[Template:Sejm Marshals]]
* Is this really to be deleted? It has no {TfD] tag, and a large number of pages link to it. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
** There certainly wasn't a consensus to delete, so whoever moved it to the holding cell needs a spanking. I've put the discussion on the template talk page. (The '''Divide''' has been done already) &mdash; [[User:MikeX|MikeX]] [[User Talk:MikeX|(talk)]] 20:51, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
*<s>Since the "divide" in effect created other templates, this one is no longer needed. orphan and delete it.--[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 06:42, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)</s>
*actually, the divide has not been done already. it needs to be done. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 02:25, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
===To convert to category===
Templates for which the consensus is that they ought to be converted to categories get put here until the conversion is completed.
* ''None at present''
 
===Ready to delete===
Templates for which consensus to delete has been reached, have been orphaned, and the discussion logged to [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted]], can be listed here for an admin to delete.
 
; [[Template:Manga]]
*It's been orphaned, and discussion has been logged. - [[User:Mako098765|mak]]''[[User_talk:Mako098765|o]]'' 18:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 
== Listings to log ==
''Templates with completed discussions which have not yet been logged; remove from'' '''''this''''' ''page entirely when logged. Anyone can do this, not just an admin; please see the directions at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log]].''
 
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