Talk:Urban75 and INS Shardul (1975): Difference between pages

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Two months of arguments over two words is rather depressing. [[Urban75]] now has a very well deserved spot on [[WP:LAME]].

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== More Trolling by Warofdreams, Thenugga and Taxman ==

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When will these vandals desist?

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:Please read [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]] and especially [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. The second one is a formal policy about the kinds of material not allowed in Wikipedia articles, and what you keep adding back qualifies very clearly as original research. Now if you continue to add the material back in clear violation of that policy, then your edits do become vandalism, and you can be blocked from editing for that. We are not a discussion board, and you don't get to write whatever you feel like nad keep putting it back in. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] ^{<small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]}</small> 07:59, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

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"Others have criticised the site's lack of openness about its finances. With posters regularly donating cash to Urban via standing order, the management have come under fire for not accounting for how these funds are used and, indeed, how much they amount to."

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This is perfectly true, and doesn't constitute vandalism. If criticisms of the site are to be mentioned, why can't this one be included? [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 23:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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:I can't find any reference for this on the web. Do you have a reference? If so, I'll put it straight back in. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 01:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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::It is true that this was one of the criticisms made by some of those who first set up TTG, here's an example of a thread where it came up, which has been archived [http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/urban75/archive/lessons_from_dissensus.pdf] [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 08:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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If you collar the editor down the pub, he'll gladly tell you the state of the finances. And it's not like people are forced to contribute money. Its more bitter weirdness from people who should know better.

|5600 tons - Standard

:That's your POV though. Leaving aside the fact that this depends on everybody living in Brixton ''and'' MS telling the truth all the time. I'm not saying there's any truth to the claims, but they are criticism that have been made, I don't see any reason to consider that particular paragraph vandalism. [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 11:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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They are criticims that have been made by certain people who bear some kind of weird paranoid grudge. No one else gives a fuck.

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:Again, that's your POV, I don't see any legitimate grounds to consider this vandalism. I think [[WP:AGF]] comes into play here. It'd help if you signed your comments btw. [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 11:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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And your point is just your pov. So what? And sign my comments with what? A name that won't mean anything to anyone, just like yours? Whats that gonna achieve?

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:If you put four "~" after your comment, it comes up as a signature, it makes it easier to follow the discussion. The point I was trying to make about POV is that wikipedia has a [[WP:NPOV|netural point of view]] policy, that you don't agree with a criticism or don't think that it is a fair one is no grounds to remove it from an article. And there's no need to be so combatative.[[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 11:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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OK, I will put the tildes in. I'm glad that wikipedia has a neutral pov policy, so why stick in the criticism about finances? You do know where it originates from? Where all this petty vandalism originates from? [[User:81.178.192.135|81.178.192.135]] 11:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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:Wikipedia articles are supposed to be factual information, that these criticisms have been made is a fact, as long as the criticisms are stated as criticisms made by certain individuals and not as facts, then they should be included, surely? [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 11:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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Lots of criticisms have been made, including one that the editor is sponsored by Sony (not true btw), are you going to include them all? Or are you going to take into account that a lot of these criticism are spread by one or two bitter and twisted individuals for their own agenda? I post regularly on U75 and don't see anyone questioning the finances. The only place where I do see ths issue raised is on the tolling gang site, and what business is it of theirs? [[User:81.178.192.135|81.178.192.135]] 12:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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:Of course you never see it mentioned on Urban75, bringing it up is grounds for instant banning. [[User:Ernestolynch|Ernestolynch]] 12:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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Utter, utter nonsense, posted by one of the aforementioned bitter and twisted individuals. [[User:81.178.192.135|81.178.192.135]] 13:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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Whether or not you think that it is "none of their business" the criticism have been made on other websites, and you admit as much youself. [[WP:NPOV]] means that all points of view are considered equally valid, whether or not you agree with them. [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 11:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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|11 main battle tanks, 10 army vehicles and 500 troops excluding ship crew

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|WM-18 rocket launcher, SAM, Naval Medak gun, CRN 91 guns

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'''INS ''Shardul (L16)''''' is the lead ship of the [[Shardul class- Large Landing Ship Tank|Shardul class LST(L)]] of the [[Indian Navy]]. Its name means "Royal Bengal tiger".

==History==

You do know who's been making the criticisms don't you? And why? [[User:81.179.239.121|81.179.239.121]] 12:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*The first-of-the-class Landing ship tank (Large), Shardul (Royal Bengal tiger), was launched in 03 April 2004. The ship was handed over to the navy for trials on 3rd November 2006 and commissioned into the Indian Navy, on 4th January 2007 by the defence minister A.K Antony in Karwar at the [[INS Kadamba]] base. The ship was based under the Southern Naval Command in Kochi to train cadets before the commissioning of INS Kesari and INS Airavat.<ref>[http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/406200707172032.htm 'INS Shardul' engaged in training for naval cadets]</ref>

: I would assume it is someone jealous because the source of funding didn't get into their pocket, so they prod at the pocket it got into, in jealousy. [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 18:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

==References==

USING WIKIPEDIA FOR CHILDISH SNIPING IS NOT ON. It just isn't. I really wish both sides here would just grow the fuck up and stop adding POV shite to wikipedia. [[User:Madashell|Madashell]] 19:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

#{{note|Best}}[http://www.hindu.com/2007/01/05/stories/2007010501452000.htm INS Shardul dedicated] Article in the [[Hindu]]

==External links==

== [[Wikipedia:No original research|Original research]] ==

*[http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Shardul.html Shardul class @ Bharat-rakshak.com]

*[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/l-shardul.htm LST(L) Shardul @ Global security.com]

[[Category:Indian Navy ships|Shardul]]

[[Category:Shardul class LST(L)| ]]

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Nearly the entire article fails [[WP:NOR]] and [[WP:V]]. The site cannot serve as a reference for itself except in extremely limited circumstances. Without reliable third party references information cannot be included in the article. Everything that has no references needs to be chopped out. I brought up the same point in September 2005 and very little has been done, so now is the time. There's been way too much wasted time on this article for it to be in this poor shape. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] ^{<small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</small>} 17:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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