Talk:Sailor Pluto and INS Shardul (1975): Difference between pages

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!align ="center" style="color: white; height: 30px; background: navy no-repeat scroll top left;"|Career

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|Ordered:

|[[2003]]

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|Launched:

|[[03 April]] [[2004]]

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|[[04 January]] [[2007]]

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|5600 tons - Standard

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|124.8 metres

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|17.5 metres

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| Kirloskar PA6 STC engines

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|15.8 knots

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|Complement:

|11 main battle tanks, 10 army vehicles and 500 troops excluding ship crew

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|WM-18 rocket launcher, SAM, Naval Medak gun, CRN 91 guns

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|[[HAL Dhruv]]/[[Westland Sea King|Sea King]]

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|''All for one, One for all''

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'''INS ''Shardul (L16)''''' is the lead ship of the [[Shardul class- Large Landing Ship Tank|Shardul class LST(L)]] of the [[Indian Navy]]. Its name means "Royal Bengal tiger".

==Gate of time==

is it true that there are to sailor plutos one garding the gates of time and one with the other sailors?

:Ummm, No They are the same person... --[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 22:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

::I've actually wondered about this, too. My current understanding is that they are the same person, but from different parts of her life, and they coexist due to time travel. If someone can clear this up further I'd appreciate it! --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 20:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

:::From what I gather the "gates of time" are actually not themselves in the time stream. Thus, by having been at the gates at any given moment, she is always there. Also, I would like to take a second here to officially declare a pox on the IAU ;-P [[User:Shador5529|Shador5529]] 15:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

==History==

== Foreign names really needed? ==

*The first-of-the-class Landing ship tank (Large), Shardul (Royal Bengal tiger), was launched in 03 April 2004. The ship was handed over to the navy for trials on 3rd November 2006 and commissioned into the Indian Navy, on 4th January 2007 by the defence minister A.K Antony in Karwar at the [[INS Kadamba]] base. The ship was based under the Southern Naval Command in Kochi to train cadets before the commissioning of INS Kesari and INS Airavat.<ref>[http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/406200707172032.htm 'INS Shardul' engaged in training for naval cadets]</ref>

Please discuss [[Talk:Makoto Kino#Foreign names|here]] whether to include foreign names when they do not match the english name. Thanks. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 03:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

==References==

== Princesses Article ==

#{{note|Best}}[http://www.hindu.com/2007/01/05/stories/2007010501452000.htm INS Shardul dedicated] Article in the [[Hindu]]

==External links==

Just so you all know, I've made a new article at [[Princesses (Sailor Moon)]]. The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 20:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*[http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Shardul.html Shardul class @ Bharat-rakshak.com]

*[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/l-shardul.htm LST(L) Shardul @ Global security.com]

[[Category:Indian Navy ships|Shardul]]

[[Category:Shardul class LST(L)| ]]

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== Consistency ==

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This article is being edited for consistency with the [[Ami Mizuno]], [[Rei Hino]], [[Makoto Kino]], and [[Minako Aino]] articles, as part of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailor Moon|new WikiProject]], and as discussed in [[Talk:Sailor Moon]]. Stay tuned! --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 18:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Mostly done, as are [[Haruka Tenoh]] and [[Michiru Kaioh]]. I'm still planning on rewriting the 'Profile' and 'Variations' sections, but will take something of a break first.

:The Outer Senshi profiles really need new lead images. If you check out the Inners bios, they all match; we're looking for a set with that kind of consistancy and quality, if it's at all possible. Please look around! --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 19:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Controversy Related to Pluto's Planetary Status ==

I removed this from the article:

''On August 24, 2006, the International Astronomical Union declared that [[Pluto]] itself was no longer a planet, but may be as yet considered a [[plutonian object]], a [[dwarf planet]], or some other [[Kuiper Belt]] object. Official production of Sailor Moon had ended well before that date and will probably not be affected by this decision. However, it is likely that any future incarnations including Sailor Pluto, even if only in [[fan fiction]] will have to find ways to address this controversy to maintain consistency of most of the [[Sailor Senshi]] being named for planets, with exceptions for [[Sailor Moon]] herself, [[Chibiusa]], and [[ChibiChibi]].''

I'm sorry, but I really don't think it belongs here. Let's discuss, though. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 16:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:I am the one who added the section. Please give a reason before you delete an edit which is in fact relevant given that many fans are curious about this event's effect on the character. Because this character had so much prominence in the series, she was named after a *planet*, so it does matter whether or not Pluto is now considered a planet, even if the canon does not change. Fan discussions and fan fiction do change, so it is an issue. If someone cannot cite a legitimate reason not to include it by the end of the day, I'm putting it back up. [[User:Lothar76|Lothar76]] 17:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:See, I think it does deserve mention. Perhaps I am way too much of a fanboi, but this was the first thing I thought of when I read about the IAU decision. (Actually, it was: "Those ''expletive'' fools. They've just ''expletived'' up Sailormoon.") [[User:Shador5529|Shador5529]] 17:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::They didn't, though. Check your DVDs; she's still in there. If celestial objects like Phobos, Deimos, [[Luna (Sailor Moon)|Mau]], [[Sailor Iron Mouse|Chū]], [[Sailor Aluminum Siren|Mermaid]], [[Sailor Lead Crow|Coronis]], [[Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon|Cocoon]], etc. etc. etc. get to have Senshi, Pluto gets to have a Senshi. That's all there is to it. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 17:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The controversy isn't over whether Setsuna Meioh is a senshi, but the status of "Pluto" as a marker of a significant senshi in the SM universe when Pluto is no longer a planet. Someone that important wasn't meant to be named after a dwarf planet. It should at least be acknowleged, if nothing else with a "It doesn't matter for the canon, but it does for fandom discourse" notation. [[User:Lothar76|Lothar76]] 18:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The IAU probably just never got together in the sailormoon universe to demote Pluto. LOL. {{unsigned|128.100.72.78}}

:I'd buy that, haha. The thing is that many of the other smaller object do in fact have Senshi--for example, Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, and Juno. So I don't think it's at all weird that Pluto has one. I think her being part of the Sailor Team is probably just 'cause she's so freakin' powerful, what with controlling time and all. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 16:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::Where the heck did you find Sailors Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, and Juno. That sounds vaguely reminiscent of the Amazoness Quartet, but I thought they just became ordinary humans after they quit working for Queen Nehelenia, not Senshi. And if they did become Senshi, where were they in Stars? Of, course it's been a while since I saw the series, so maybe watching it again would help. Or is this a Manga only thing? [[User:Shador5529|Shador5529]] 17:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It is a manga thing. [[Amazoness Quartet]] has a picture right at the top; they're the guardians of Sailor Chibi Moon. They don't stick around, though; I'm not sure where they end up. --[[User:Masamage|Masamage]] 17:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)