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:[[User:CJLippert/notes|my notes]]; my [[User talk:CJLippert]] activity archives for: [[User:CJLippert/archive/2005|2005]], [[User:CJLippert/archive/2006|2006]], [[User:CJLippert/archive/2007|2007]].
==Just a little more about myself... if you're really, really curious.==
* Father of 2 college-aged young adults. (Phew. Not a grandpa yet.)
* Trained as a [[Chemical_engineering|Chemical Engineer]].
* Work for the [[Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe]].
* Traditional Jew (officially [[Conservative_Judaism|Conservative]], but just as comfortable among the [[Orthodox_Judaism|Orthodox]]).
* Polyglot (speak 2 languages fluently, speak another 5 at a basic level, able to read another 4 and sound out another 8).
* Been losing a <u>lot</u> of sleep over the [http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/ojibwe.html Freelang Ojibwe Language Dictionary] as the project's data-entry person.
So, if you ever come to the ''misi-zaaga'iganiing'' on the beautiful banks of the ''m'de wakan'' and see a curious fellow running around wearing a yarmulka... that's be me!
==[[Chief Earth Woman]]==
Aaniin, Charlie. Have you seen this article before? It doesn't really give me any context, but what it does say I find kind of suspicious (starting with the fact that the article title seems to imply she was a chief, which isn't mentioned in the article itself). I've left some more concerns on the talk page of the article. But since you're far more knowledgeable about Ojibwe history and culture than I am, I was wondering if you're familiar with this woman, and if the article sounds plausible to you. Miigwech, --[[User:Miskwito|Miskwito]] 03:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'll look around; I haven't seen this article before. There have been ''ogimaakweg'' in the past, but this is where her name in Ojibwe would help... is she Chief (title) Earth-Woman (name) or a Chief (title) named Chief-Earth-woman? Also, which Band/Community was she associated with? What campaigns was she involved in? Was she a party to any treaty negotiation and was treaty signatory? I'll pose the same questions at the article's talk page. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 13:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
==[[Anishinaabe language]]==
The second part of the Examples - Translation section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe_language#Translation here] seems oddly phrased. An error? [[User:Vizjim|Vizjim]] 12:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:What is oddly phrased: Ojibwe or English? Both, are excerpts from another site (used with permission). About the only thing that is different with the Wikipedia example not on the Bemidji State University site is that the Wikipedia adds a map link and provides a translation that the city of [[Inger, Minnesota]] in ''Ojibwemowin'' literally is "by the Big Bowstring [River]". The English is Nylohm's translation, which is done in a typical speaking style of Elders... in this case, of the [[Leech Lake Indian Reservation]]. Another typical characteristic of older Ojibwe who are English speakers is to say "it" for all Ojibwe inanimates and "he" for Ojibwe animates (ex. "Last night, my daughter, <u>he</u> went to the store to get sugar for me.") [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 01:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::Just so you know, I also responded on Vizjim's talk page --[[User:Miskwito|Miskwito]] 01:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::And I've responded on Miskwito's page - it's the map ref I find odd, not the wording. [[User:Vizjim|Vizjim]] 06:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::The map annotation is there only because there isn't an article yet for [[Inger, Minnesota]]. Once an article has been started for there, the map reference will move to that page and off the Anishinaabe language page. Also, the term used in that story is sort of specific. It refers to the section of the Bowstring River located between Sand Lake and Bowstring Lake, and not the Bowstring Lake or the Bowstring River upstream of the lake. The village of Inger is located along that particular stretch of water, so though it may or may not be exactly Inger, the English translation that was given was Inger. The map link is for Inger, but the idea was to show which part of the Bowstring River that was of topic in the story. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 14:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just checked out the US Census Bureau's information for Inger, and there isn't one. Checking [[Itasca County, Minnesota|Itasca County]]'s map provided by the Minnesota Department of Transportation, it says that in 1977, the population of Inger was estimated at 120. I guess this means Inger is an [[unincorporated place]]. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 14:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
==[[Native Countries of North America]]==
Hi, thanks for your continued help with the Native Countries page - your pointing out the Algonquian Freelang dictionaries has been a great boost.
However, I feel it is best to not include the name Malihkinuwi-Waponahkik in the page, since this is simply the Maliseet-Passamaquoddy name for the State of Maine (and also the part of Wabanaki Country that lies within the United States) - ''not'' the name of a Native Country. The page is not a collection of Native American geographic names in general, ''only'' names for whole Native homelands.
Reference: [http://www.lib.unb.ca/Texts/Maliseet/dictionary/index.php?command=listAlpha&letter=m]
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Hey thanks...I didn't know what it was called in [[Ojibway]]. I interviewed an artist who is a practitioner of this craft and I just thought it was Too Damn Cool not to have it in Wiki. I actually do a number of Native American-related entries, based on my work as an art critic in Santa Fe. Check out my list sometime and if you see anything that needs help, feel free! [[User:Gregoryptm|Gregoryptm]] 19:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
== [[Kurów]] on Ojibwe language ==
Could you please write a stub about my hometown Ojibwe language [[incubator:User:Pietras1988/Brudnopis|here]] - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.
PS. Article about Kurów is already on 166 languages. If you do that, please put interwiki link into English version. If your village/town/city hasn't on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) [[:wikt:pl:User:Pietras1988|<font color=#FF8C20>'''Pietras1988'''</font>]] [[:wikt:pl:Dyskusja użytkownika:Pietras1988|<sup><b><font color=#7ff000>'''TALK'''</font></b></sup>]] 18:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
== Master list of Anishinaabe communities ==
I've been thinking about it for a while, and I finally started it for organization's sake as much as anything. I'm not ready to move it off my sandbox yet, but eventually, I want a section for each state and province. Please take a look at what I put together so far and tell me if it's a good look for the list. What should and shouldn't be there? Would you replace the large "communities" boxes with perhaps population and land base? Plus, I know you will be the wikipedian to ask about treaties and alternate names. The link is [[User:Leo1410/Sandbox]]. chi-Miigwech [[User:Leo1410|Leo1410]] 15:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, before you get too far, let's try something a bit differently. For one, there are MANY treaties, so just listing one would not be adequate. In addition some reservations were established by Executive Order. In Canada, same deal: some are multiple treaty signatories and many are still in Land Claims commission as we speak. Having them in their primary State/Province would be OK, but please realise that some tribes are located in multiple States. With that said, see if you can have the following entries:
# Name (each section separated by a bar)
## name in English (since this is en.wiki)
## name in Anishinaabemowin/Anishininiimowin (syllabics, if a syllabics-using community)
## name in Anishinaabemowin/Anishininiimowin (dominant Roman? Fiero?... I think this needs discussion with whole)
# Seal (if available)
# Alternate Name (same deal as the "Name" column)
# Successorship
# Recognision Status (US:US-recognized/non-independent/State-recognized/non-recognized; CA:status/non-status)
# Council
## Tribal Council (e.g. US: MCT; CA: Ogemawahj)
## Tribal Political Organization (e.g. US: ITCM; CA: NAN)
## Tribal Treaty Administrant (e.g. US: GLIFWC; CA: same at TPO above)
# Reservation/Reserve (n.b. many FN and OK-tribes have shared Reserves/OTSA; many everwhere have multiple reserves/reservations; many in CA had reserves that were lost)
# Communities (n.b. many FN have shared communities)
:I think you will need to work on this a bit and have the ability to play around with the columns and entries until they flow well. Good luck [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 03:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for the suggestions. Trying to pack the most/best information into the table is the tricky part for sure. Really, this should be 3 or 4 different lists. I've been too busy for wiki lately, but I'll try to pick away at it.
[[User:Leo1410|Leo1410]] 23:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
==Language map==
[[Image:WikiThanks.png|43px|left|WikiThanks]]
'''Wow''', nice work! It's hard for me to tell if virtually all the communities not in Oklahoma have diffusion rings, although it looks like it. I can't immediately see anything to complain about (although as your comments on my map showed, you clearly know more about this than I do) --[[User:Miskwito|Miskwito]] 02:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I just saw the map myself and had to come comment -- it's really cool! [[User:Chimakwa|Chimakwa]] 23:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. Though I appreciate the positive comments, what I would really appreciate are some constructive criticisms to improve that map. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 00:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Reducing the size of the diffusion rings gets rid of most of my concerns. I know this is intended to be a current map of language usage. My comments about history refer to how well this map shows the linguistic legacy of Anishinaabemowin on the geography of North America--toponyms and such. Of course, the real goal is showing where the language is spoken now. I don't know that you could make a better map than this. Data are fairly reliable for where Anishinaabe people live (those status or enrolled anyway) but I don't think you could find reliable data on language usage and fluency. Here in Northern Ontario, where the langauge is widely spoken as a first language, I think the census choices are Cree, Ojibway, and Other Algonquin. I think you can see how this is problematic--what does an Oji-Cree speaker choose? My one question is why does Moberly Lake, BC look so small? and my OR is that including Madison, Milwaukee, and Wausau is too optimistic. What is the standard to be considered a fluent speaker? Yes there is probably a university professor or cultural leader or two in each of those cities, but isn't it more accurate to include them with their home reservations? Of course, some of the reservations have only a couple native speakers too. If our standard for a speaker is somewhere less than fluency--as in someone who can say makwa, nookomis, miigwech, and boozhoo is a speaker--then mapping the locations of Anishinaabe people should be fairly sufficient.
[[User:Leo1410|Leo1410]] 03:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
==thanks!!==
thanks for the help with the odawa-ojibway language!!--[[User:Sonjaaa|Sonjaaa]] 16:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
==Minnesota place names==
Aaniin. Just a quick note that my understanding is that page is primarily for a handful of the most notable/important places from each region/state/whatever, and to then eventually have links to more detailed individual articles. So I don't think a list that long will work; maybe get rid of the red links to start with, at least? You know more about Minnesota than I do, so I'm not really sure what's notable and what's not (although, despite the fact that '''Minnehaha, Minnesota''' is a red link, [[Minnehaha Creek]] or the likes should still be included, for example)... Take care, --[[User:Miskwito|Miskwito]] 20:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:The list just has the names. They will have to be separated out into categories. '''Minnehaha, Minnesota''' was a red link only because Wiki thinks it is a city, but in reality it is both the creek and falls, so they have been identified as such and are now blue links. Though I have commented-out most of the red links, some major ones, such as [[Lake Winnibigoshish]] was left visible (hoping someone would get the hint... I can't do it all). Currenly, about half were identified and classified. Rest that I have commented out still need identification. [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 21:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
== just wondering.... ==
why was the '''Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians''', California page deleted?<small>comments by [[User:Onopearls|Onopearls]] on 20:05, 17 July 2007</small>
: Don't know... Let me see... Hold on. Ah! Found it. Here is the reason:
:* 06:25, 20 April 2007 '''User:Anthony Appleyard''' deleted '''Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians, California''' (broken redirect: content was: '#REDIRECT Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians' (and the only contributor was 'CJLippert'))
:* 06:24, 20 April 2007 '''User:Anthony Appleyard''' deleted '''Augustine Band of Cahuilla Mission Indians of the Augustine Reservation, California''' (broken redirect: content was: '#REDIRECT Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians' (and the only contributor was 'CJLippert'))
: It appears, I have put in a redirect on both the current and previous names to the '''Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians''', which would still be a red link. In addition, '''Coachella, California''' article already contains a link (though currently red) to the same. If you're willing to start the article, and re-install the re-directs to that article, it would be helpful. Did that answer your question? [[User:CJLippert|CJLippert]] 20:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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