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== Adoption ==

Although we may have some disagreements over the [[Adoption]] article, I've since reviewed your edits and have come to appreciate your work. Your writing is very clean - a quality I admire disproportionately! Thank you for your good work. [[User:Danlovejoy|Danlovejoy]] 03:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

==Your vote on the beer and breweries categories==

I agree with you on the continent categories, but voting oppose here won't remove them, and will just help to preserve all the existing inconsistencies. If you support the main thrust of the proposal, which is to standardise the thrust of the categories, (and you haven't said you don't) could you please consider amending your vote to support and then coming back with nominations for any specific categories you have issues with? If everyone who has problems with a few specifics votes to "oppose all" - including the good parts - none of this mess will get fixed. [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 23:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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==Dublin Port Tunnel==

Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated. [[User:Nelson50|Nelson50]] 20:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

==Translation==

Hi, you have recently added [[Irish language|Irish]] on my languges page, Can you put my full name on it please plus the translation, Thanks!!

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== Gaelic/Irish Republic ==

The reason why the terms seem so odd is because certainly the vast majority of Irish people would call the language ''Irish''. It is very rarely referred to in Ireland as ''gaelic'', though I suppose it depends on the school. As to ''Irish Republic'', that is normally a major ''no-no''. It is the name of the Republic in existence between 1919 and 1922. Britain until recent times controversially called the Irish state the ''Irish Republic'' because they interpreted ''Republic of Ireland'' as suggesting there was no other Ireland and so a denial of Northern Ireland's existence. It is a weird interpretation on its part but such a touchy topic that for example, while the Irish state will accept [[Letter of Credence|Letters of Credence]] accrediting ambassadors using ''Republic of Ireland'', ''Ireland'' or the President's name (e.g., President McAleese) it refuses point blank to accept anything with the words "Irish Republic" on it and is liable to send them back with a demand for an apology. ''Irish Republic'' and ''Éire'' are the two no-nos which cause offence (though people understand that people using those formats may not intend offence, so usually they are politely told not to use either format). Usually ''Irish Republic'' or ''Éire'' is used by some of the more right wing mid-market British papers like the Express.

But, as I said, it depends on your background and experience. Your school may not have called the language by its normal name (''"gaelic"'' hasn't been used in most schools since the 1920s). Don't worry about it. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:green; background-color:pink">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-Capitals.PNG|15px]]\^{<font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font>} 23:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

You just seem so out of touch, like being on a different planet. Sorry about it , you did puzzle me, honest! [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 00:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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Hey,

You might want to look at [[talk:Prime minister]]. The page was moved to the illiterate form ''Prime minister'' by a vote of '''3''' people. A new RM is taking place but the illiterates seem to be queuing to endorse such a crazy move. Feel free to contribute to the debate. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:green; background-color:pink">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-up.png|15px]]\^{<font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font>} 03:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

::BTW,if you study my talk page you will see that there is only one request for an apology from guess who [[User:TharkunColl|TharkunColl]] and not 5 as you state on the BI talk,page. Actually, you were quite offensive to me about 3 weeks ago. You indirectly referred to me as British hating Irish nationalist, which is quite untrue. I was actually born in Scotland, educated in England and now live in Ireland. And my parentage is English-Scottish and Irish. If I did push the point a little hard at times, well it was to make up the lack of Irish editors willing to put their heads above the parapet.[[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 20:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Servant of God ==

Regarding you comment to [[User:Abdullah Geelah/In many languages...]], the translation of "servant of God" in Irish is ''Giolla Dhé'', which actually exists as a surname and is anglicised as Gildea, Gilday, or Kilday.--[[User:Damac|Damac]] 18:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

==Personal Attacks on British Isles==

The way to deal with users who you feel are being difficult is not to make personal attacks (e.g. 'remove that chip from your shoulder'). Please be more careful in future. --[[User:Robdurbar|Robdurbar]] 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

==Fingal==

Please read my comments at [[talk:Fingal]] before reverting again, by all means provide a citation that "It's an administrative area, not a true county. There are 32 in Ireland, not 35.". [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 21:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

==British Isles==

Well, if you say that you are from a British Isle, then you are British, and if you are from Ireland you are Irish. For example, a person from Scotland can identify themselves as British, they can also identify themselves as Scottish. Cheers. [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 20:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

:How about saying you are from one of the British Isles? [[User:Arcturus|Arcturus]] 20:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

::I see Bastun, you are trolling again. And [[User:Arcturus|Arcturus]], why should one have to be watching how the term is to be expressed? [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 20:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Mel needs to brush up on his English. Bastun is from one of the islands in the British Isles. He can't be from "a British Isle" because that's not how the word "isle" is used. -- [[User:Evertype|Evertype]]·[[User_talk:Evertype|✆]] 22:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Bastun, here I am doing my currencies as usual, and there you are changing the ROI page again. Why should I not revert you. I think that you are politically muddled. Where do yo live? [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 11:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:I know where one lives is not relevant, you claim that you are an Irish editor. Why are all your inputs into Irish pages mearly "typo edits"? [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 11:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::Okay Bastun, you said once that you lived on the north side of Dublin. Here is a little test for you. Can you tell me quickly the name of a famous pub whose name begins with the letter "Y", and it's on the coast road near Dollymount. [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 11:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, it did take you 10 minutes, so I reserve my judgement. Well,I live in posh Foxrock and i still know of that wateringhole. Don't think they get that fussed in Neilstown. [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 12:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

*[[User:Bastun|Bastun]], you have me totally wrong on the BI issue. You say that I do not like the term; well that is wrong for starters. The whole purpose for my edit was to get some NPOV into the first paragraph. There is no ''legal defination'' held for the British Isles, and that should be somewhat reflected in the article. Otherwise the article will continue to be debated ''ad nauseum''. My changes were very minor, and there is always scope for betterment. But the point is valid. [[User:MelForbes|MelForbes]] 14:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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==Volunteer Mediation==

Have you reviewed the latest chat on the Volunteer mediation? Things still seem a tad up in the air. You might want to take a look as this will be closing soon [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 16:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, still open. Ok - will revert my last edits pending closure. [[User:Bastun|Bastun]] 16:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

::I was more meaning the mediation decision which has now changed at least three times seemingly so if you have an opinion it may need adding in the mediators section (even if all the arguments have been out) as the mediator seems to be getting railroaded into a decision [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 16:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

== The end of the mediation cabal on the term Volunteer is ending in two days. ==

The mediation process is ending in two days - you have two days to have you final say and 1. show any proof that Volunteer is a rank and 2. leave your final vote in coming to a consensus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-12-02_IRA_%27Volunteer%27_usage#Consensus_on_IRA_member_and_volunteer here]. Thank you.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

==Volunteer issue==

Thanks. A key to resolving such issues is clarifying and applying policy, whose application can be difficult to discern at times. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 20:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Martin McCaughey]]==

I have added a "{{[[Template:prod|prod]]}}" template to the article [[Martin McCaughey]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]" and [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Wikipedia's deletion policy]]). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at [[Talk:Martin McCaughey|its talk page]]. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for Deletion]], where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion criteria]]. [[User:Shyam Bihari| <font color="black">'''Shyam'''</font>]] ^{([[User talk:Shyam Bihari|<font color="orange">'''T'''</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shyam Bihari|<font color="red">'''C'''</font>]])} 07:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Political pov ==

Bastun, could you please explain why you reverted my edit on the NI article without any discussion or consultation? Thanks. ([[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

:Hi Sarah. Plain and simple, clarity. The previous version was ''The remainder of the island of Ireland is governed as a sovereign state, Ireland, also described as the [[Republic of Ireland]].'' I thought it was a clumsy construction at best and confusing as hell for someone not familiar with the island. The replacement is clearer and accurate. [[User:Bastun|Bastun]] 10:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

==CN==

The citation notice is in the wrong position. I purposely didn't move it, someone else can do that. [[User:Taramoon|<FONT FACE="Monotype Corsiva" SIZE="4"><FONT COLOR=" #0066FF"><b>Taramoon </b></FONT></FONT>]] 12:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

==List of casualties==

I saw you asked the question as to why this was removed from the [[M62 coach bombing]] article. This issue came up about a year ago with regards to the [[Greysteel massacre]], and was discussed on [[User talk:Stumason/Archive1#Greysteel|Stubacca's talk page]] although no actualy conclusion was reached. I agree with you on the issue, I think the information is very relevant, but its quite a contentious problem and there is little consensus.--[[User:Jackyd101|Jackyd101]] 14:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

::I thought the same thing - I think the following are relevent here - Name/Age/Occupation/Regiment (in a table) as it would demonstrate the claim that families were involved and which regiments the army dead came from [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 15:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

:::To expand, I think a list of fatalities from any incident - ranging from a bombing like this to a train crash (for example) - are a good idea where they can be procured. The difficulty is presenting them in a manner which doesn't overwhelm articles with narrative lists. The only solution I can come up with is the one of creating "appendixes" using the method suggested at the bottom of my user page.--[[User:Jackyd101|Jackyd101]] 16:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==Flag of Northern Ireland debate==

You have been involved in the flag debate on the Northern Ireland talk page. If you remember there were four option listed about the way forward. If you wish you can go [[Talk:Northern_Ireland#The_Flag_Consensus_Ignored|here]] and make your position clear. regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

==Unsigned template==

Hard to find some of these things. However, if you see a template has been used, then click edit to search the coding, you will usually find the name of the template in there somewhere (some templates transclude other templates, so it's more complex). The one you want is:

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== Omagh bombing names ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omagh_bombing&diff=114776573&oldid=114774064 the link] to the list of names, I left a comment at [[Talk:Omagh_bombing#List_of_names]]. Thanks.-- [[User:Chaser|Chaser]] - [[User_talk:Chaser|T]] 16:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:May as well use this section rather than create a new one. I've just left some suggestions for further improvement of the article in the template on the talk page, not sure if that will come up on your watch list or not. Thanks. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 12:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

==Ireland==

Thanks for your message. Wikipedia is an excellent website but sadly on some subjects it has become a forum for bile, prejudice and ignorance. Many of the sites covering Ireland are sad examples of this. I have tried to get some commesense but have failed so I am not going to bother any more. '''Ireland is a country'''. The country's '''official name''' is the Republic of Ireland. It is part of the [[British Isles]]...and so on. Self important users, for narrow poltical reasons, seek to deny these facts. When entries are corrected (by me or others) they get ignorantly on their high horses and revise entries to conform with their own absurd points of view. It is boring and tedious and a waste of time to try and take them on and I've had enough of it. [[User:PaddyBriggs|PaddyBriggs]] 09:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Ireland Demography==

Bastun, the Irish people are genetically closely related to those of Spain. Recent research: [http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=15309688] suggests that much of the current population share close ancestry with the Spanish. In your message to me, you state that the recent Spanish migrations were minute in their demic effect: I agree, and hence I referring to Ireland's Iberian post-glacial heritage above. I will link this into the article to make it clear.

Likewise, there is no clear evidence that there is a strong genetic heritage of the Celts in Ireland. This goes against current fashion, so many don't like this. This doesn't change the absence of evidence to support this. I happily acknowlegde the significant contribution of Celtic culture to Irish people - as is mentioned on the 2nd sentence. However, in terms of demography, there is nothing to support a largely Celtic origin. Consequently, I will remove this.[[User:Apollo Crua|Apollo Crua]] 12:10, 27 March 2007 (GMT)

:The demographics section was/is referring to more modern (as in, actually ''recorded'') history, though. Hopefully my latest edit, separating out the post-Ice Age and more modern influences, is acceptable. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 15:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

==British Isles==

hi..rather than get lost on the talk page... in more specific response to a question you raised on the BI talk page, I'll refer to what I already said on that page in response to a somewhat similar question from Sony youth.

''"Recognised" by the refs, most of which are published outside of Ireland. Even where the authors decided to keep using "British Isles" they recognised that there was an issue with it. "Increasingly" because one ref says so specifically, because Folens and several other Atlases (i think Michelin, Reader's Digest, etc) that used to refer to British Isles no longer do so, because of the Embassy spokesman quotation last year, because of the renaming of The Lions, because of the Guardian article quoted in the BI dispute page, etc. In any case, "recognised as problematic" is for sure; "increasingly" seems pretty darn well supported. It's a way of avoiding "often" & "sometimes" and of avoiding a desire for polls that don't exist either for or against. (BTW, according to Webster, sometimes means "now and then" or "occasionally", which just isn't a reasonable characterisation of the situation). Hughsheehy 15:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)''

[[User:Hughsheehy|Hughsheehy]] 15:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thing ==

For the god of love, not this again <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Seaned|Seaned]] ([[User talk:Seaned|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Seaned|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;{{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Editions ==

I'm pretty much used to Wikipedia's ethics and anti-democratic stance, thanks for reminding me of the hipocresy here

--[[User:Seaned|Seaned]] 18:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

==Talk page==

Users can delete at will from their talk page, including warnings. If they remove a warning, then they are deemed to have seen it. This has been discussed frequently on forums such as [[WP:AN]]. Some users disapprove of this. Removal of warnings can add circumstantial evidence about a user's motivations. It is certainly inappropriate to delete a conversation before it's finished. However, none of this should incur sanctions (though occasionally it does anyway). This has all evolved over the last few months, and in the past it would have been seen as wrong to carry out such deletions. Have a look at [[WP:TPG]] and [[WP:USER]], but regardless of what it says there, I have given you the current practice, which is what counts on wiki. If you leave a warning, you might want to make this very clear in the edit summary, as this could be where someone else looks. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 22:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:If you search [[WP:AN]] or [[WP:AN/I]], you'll find relevant discussions, when the matter has been brought up there, and the conclusion was that users can remove material. I know that a lot of people, including some admins, aren't aware of the conclusion of those discussions. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 02:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== No prob ==

No prob re: the talk page. I've put it back in. These things happen. Thanks for letting me know. Next time, just stick it back in and forget about it. --[[User:Sony-youth|<span style="font-family:Zapfino, sans-serif">sony-youth</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Sony-youth|talk]]} 12:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hattrick ==

Hey Bastun, I thought I made an error on the HT article, and so I changed your edit (not realizing that someone had edited it). I wasn't trying to step on toes. What I originally meant about the economy crashing due to a *decrease* the amount of new users is that that leads to less demand for finished players, as teams always train more players than they can use. Hope I didn't offend! <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Benmor78|Benmor78]] ([[User talk:Benmor78|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Benmor78|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;{{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Illegetimacy and the Catholic Church ==

Your information on illegitimacy and the Catholic Church is wrong...see the De Valera talk page for a citation from the Catholic Encyclopedia. He could have had a Church career by entering a religious order. I posted that info on talk at the same time I removed the incorrect information from the article. --[[User:Samuel J. Howard|Samuel J. Howard]] 03:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Read the rules please==

Please don't make up WP policy on the hoof. Please read [[WP:REGISTER]] for a deeper understanding on the way WP works. There is consensus that ''generally'' should be dropped. BTW, I never see you rv Tarkencoll. Are you afraid of him, or are you just plain pandering to him. Apologies for being so direct, but I'm curious! --[[User:86.42.153.154|86.42.153.154]] 16:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Bizarre. On many levels. But someone who won't bother registering doesn't deserve my time on a response - even if I am curious as to why someone who uses a particular term in their edir then says it should be dropped... Meh. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 17:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::A silly response indeed, bizarre? generally! But it is interesting that you will not rv certain editorss, that's all. It just makes me wonder about your sense of purpose, if any. My edits are very innocuous. Just curious. --[[User:86.42.153.154|86.42.153.154]] 17:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==NPOV==

I ask that you stop removing tags that have been correctly added due to neutrality disputes. Simply because you do not agree does not give you any grounds to remove the tag. You have not addressed the dispute. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 23:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:Please see [[WP:AGF]]. The category was specficially created for POV reasons. You failed to address the NPOV problems, simply because '''you don't like it''' on the article doesn't mean it can be removed. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 23:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::"See [[WP:AGF]]." "The category was specficially created for POV reasons." Hmm, maybe you should read [[WP:AGF]] too, because you don't appear to be applying it. I've read the creator's reasons for creating it, and they seem sound to me - a way to categorise pages describing IRA actions that resulted in killings but are "known" by places and are therefore being removed from the "Category:People killed by the IRA" by yourself and Vintagekits. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 23:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I disagree, but we could just go round in circles and get nowhere. How about reverting [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omagh_bombing&diff=prev&oldid=121807684 this edit] then, as I can't for 3RR reasons? As you're well aware it needs to be reverted. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 23:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Partially reverted. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 23:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I'm happy enough with that, even though it leaves large amounts of whitespace for no real reason. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 23:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== List of members of the Irish Republican Army‎ ==

Stop removing members - if the name leads to another article then fix it dont just remove it. You are really pushing the limits of [[WP:ASG]] today and I wont be in a hurry to forget it.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 00:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you are just going to be lazy and not fix it then I will just revert it later - to be honest after your actions today I have very little time for you. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 00:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_members_of_the_Irish_Republican_Army&diff=prev&oldid=122097490 This edit] is clearly inappropriate, given the name you removed clearly states the person is dead and therefore cannot refer to a living person, if it links to a living person you should disambiguate it. Thanks. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 00:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I see nothing whatsoever in the [[Patrick Doyle]] article to indicate he is or was ever a member of the IRA. The onus is surely on an editor to make sure an entry they are making on that list is to the correct article - it is not my job to do their work for them. In any case, there ''is'' no disambig page or article to link to. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I my opinion this editor is borderline touching on [[WP:POINT]] and seriously embarassing himself today. To be honest before this I may have strongly disagreed with many of Bastuns views but thought that he was a decent editor - however after today that has all changed.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'll make this simple for you. You removed an entry of someone who died in either the Easter Rising or Irish War of Independence, so well before [[Peter Doyle]] was born in 1953. That is clearly disruptive and [[WP:POINT|trying to make a point]], as one cannot possibly be the other in the mind of any rational thinking person. You disambiguate the link to [[Peter Doyle (Irish republican)]], it's not difficult. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 00:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Hmm, obviously its more difficult than it looks :-) [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 01:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

*Have you breached [[WP:3RR]] on this page over the past 24 hours?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 15:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Per [[WP:BLP]] it is paramount not to have a name on a list of IRA members that inadvertently links to an individual of the same name who is not an IRA member. The priority is to stop this. Removing the name from the list is sanctioned by BLP and should not be hindered in any way. Reinstating such erroneous links knowingly is a serious matter. It's up to list makers to be more careful. If an editor chooses to disambiguate rather than remove the name, that's enitirely up to them, but there is no obligation to do so. Also [[WP:3RR]] does not apply to users, who are removing BLP vios. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==Colombia Three==

Please read the article, and the sources before [[WP:POINT|trying to make a point]]. Even a cursory check of the names of the references would have showed you that all 3 men were referred to as IRA men. Thanks. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 00:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Republic of Ireland-United Kingdom border==

Stop adding County Londonderry after the name of the city of Derry - it is in breach of its MOS and more evidence of your attempt to [[WP:POINT]]. You actions since you embarassing behaviour yesterday are pushing my [[WP:AGF]] to the limited.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 08:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:You real are on a roll! You are wrong! Derry NEVER carries its county name after it it is simple Derry - much like (a I have already pointed out!) Belfast, Manchester, Glasgow who also do not carry their county names in addition to their own.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::For example see - [[Derry Celtic F.C.]], [[John Duddy]], [[Derry City F.C.]], [[Derry News]], [[Rosemount, Derry]], [[Derry Journal]], [[Waterside, Derry]], [[Derry Gaol]], [[Creggan, Derry]], [[St Cecilia's College]], [[St. Joseph's Boys' School]], [[Eugene Ferry]]. Enough?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Are you going to acknowledge this, apologies and self revert or are you once again going to force admin to needlessly get involved in a situation that could have been reasonably sorted out?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 15:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Member/volunteer IRA==

Vitagekits has now reverted two of my alterations to [[Tony Jordan]] and [[Michael Clarke]] - both in ref to the alleged IRA member - the second in clear breach of agreed policy to refer to members of IRA and on '''subsequent''' references the word volunteer (small '''v''') can be used. I don't want to mess up a regular person's talk page with NPOV/POV talk about terrorists. So how do I resolve this one? - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]]<small>[[User_talk:Kittybrewster| (talk)]]</small> 22:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

==3RR==

You have been reported [[WP:AN/3RR|here]] for breaching the 3 revert rule. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 13:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm looking into this report as an admin. "Tirghrá" is a partisan source but I do not accept that it is unacceptable as a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. The IRA as an illegal organisation is unlikely to have the sort of perfectly reliable and neutral sources which would be perfect, but the fact that the Republican movement has a profound interest in its own history means that this sort of source can be acceptable. Even if it was not, then this would not be an exception from the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]].

:There is no application of [[WP:BLP|biographies of living people]] policy because the people in the book were all killed in the troubles for them to get an entry. You are allowed to change links so that they do not point at articles for someone different, in other words, to disambiguate them.

:The upshot of this is that I think you have technically broken the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]]. I am not intending at present to block you because I accept that you believed you were not breaking policy and you were active on the talk page discussing the issue. However, if you continue to engage in reverting along the lines you were doing, I may change my mind. Are you happy with this resolution of the report? [[User:Sam Blacketer|Sam Blacketer]] 17:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, I'm happy with this resolution, though do please note I was acting in good faith following an admin's comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_members_of_the_Irish_Republican_Army&diff=122247421&oldid=122246694] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_members_of_the_Irish_Republican_Army&diff=122368081&oldid=122270232]. Thanks, [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Bastun|BaStun not BaTsun]]} 17:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

:::For what it's worth I agree with [[User:JzG|JzG]] on removing redlinks, but disagree with him that Tirghrá is valueless as a source. However, admins do not have any additional privileges in editing disputes. I will close the 3RR report now. [[User:Sam Blacketer|Sam Blacketer]] 17:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

==AfDs==

For the record my votes in AfDs are always per policy and guidelines, yet you will notice I am voluntarily removing myself from the AfD process on related articles.

Your votes on Arbuthnot related AfDs ''seem'' to have been partisan at times, and little more than piling on - examples [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSir_William_Arbuthnot%2C_2nd_Baronet&diff=126844624&oldid=126844429] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJohn_Alves_Arbuthnot&diff=129203392&oldid=129202735] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAlexander_George_Arbuthnot&diff=129198826&oldid=129197205].

In the interests of somehow resolving this dispute in a timely and civil manner I don't believe I'm asking a lot to ask you to refrain from voting in Arbuthnot related AfDs, especially as the agreement will prevent the editors involved from nominating them in the first place. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 22:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry, but your claims aren't backed up by the evidence.

:*Alexander George Arbuthnot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAlexander_George_Arbuthnot&diff=129197205&oldid=129195985] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAlexander_George_Arbuthnot&diff=128936344&oldid=128873162]

:Slight problem, neither of the people you agreed with said why the person met the notability ''guidelines'' at [[WP:BIO]], and neither failed to address the lack of multiple, independent non-trivial sources. So your vote wasn't based on policy (sic).

:*John Alves Arbuthnot - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJohn_Alves_Arbuthnot&diff=128983439&oldid=128975237] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJohn_Alves_Arbuthnot&diff=129021653&oldid=129015332] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJohn_Alves_Arbuthnot&diff=129013457&oldid=129008235]

:Another slight problem, not one of the people you agreed with said why the person met notability guidelines, again specifically the lack of multiple, independent non-trivial sources. Also everyone seem you agreed with was "keep per MGM", but his vote wasn't based on guidelines and some of his other recent votes have been equally dubious - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Threat_%28Wrestler%29&diff=prev&oldid=128883093] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/J.C._Bailey&diff=prev&oldid=128894420] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Truth_Martini&diff=prev&oldid=128898562] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_McGuire&diff=prev&oldid=128899504]. Look at each article in turn and the lack of sources, and also the "sources" he provided. His votes are not anywhere near based on Wikipedia guidelines, therefore neither are the people who agree with him, including you.

:*Sir William Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSir_William_Arbuthnot%2C_2nd_Baronet&diff=126730203&oldid=126719801] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSir_William_Arbuthnot%2C_2nd_Baronet&diff=126386108&oldid=126385181]

:Same again, no multiple, independent non-trivial sources.

:Again, the McCaughey AfD occurred before you started being disruptive. Also your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Bastun&namespace=4 AfD participations] are quite telling, apart from the Virginia Tech massacre the only ones you've participated in since February are the recent Arbuthnot ones, so I'm more than justified in my assessment in my opinion. It seems you can be relied upon to pile on with a "Keep" vote, and that's exactly what I'm trying to prevent with my proposal. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]_{''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''}</font> 05:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)