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== Anonymous/Tor editing, Solutions? ==

Hello.

<br/>(Quick note: This is not only intended for Mr. Wales. I'm very much interested in hearing other people's opinions as well)

<br/>So, it seems as though at least a couple editors feel that they've been victims of de facto bans (not blocks, but bans), based on their desire to anonymously edit. More generally, editors are actively discouraged from using them, and may feel pressured to choose between exposing personal information or simply not editing at all.

<br/>(Incidentally, before anyone tries to argue that little personal information is at stake, the amount of information I could collect about ''myself'' with just the IP records of my editing in wikipedia is somewhat disturbing)

<br/>The fact is, there are numerous reasons why a person might want to edit anonymously:

#Local censorship. -China's the obvious case, but I don't know a single government I particularly trust.

#Stalkers -Real life stalkers, including ex-spouses. If I ''did'' have an ex-wife, and they suspected they might have figured out my username, the ip logs here could easily tell them what country, province, city, building, and even ''personal office'' I was in, as well as the time and frequency that I travel to the US. Some people really ''do'' have ex's who are just that bad.

#Online stalkers -Obviously, we know that certain somebodies on certain websites have tried to 'out' editors. Imagine what they could do if, in a matter of a day, they could get all that information I just mentioned, as well as full name, personal address and home phone number.

#Sensitivity of information/retribution -While although all material needs to be sourced independently, it still remains a fact that a person might tend to want to write about topics close to their own lives. As a token example, suppose a person working for a large industry knew of publicly available EPA reports (or other such content) that was verifiable and reliable, but not widely known. They may wish to make that information more widely available, but have to worry about whether or not it would cost them their job.

As it is, admins can edit even when their IPs are blocked, correct?

<br/>I know that some people have batted around the idea of possibly allowing ipblock exemptions (I forget the actual term for it) for editors who request it. ''That way'', you can still block the anonymous IPs, to cut down on vandalism, but still allow people to edit with safety and confidence.

<br/>Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding why this isn't already an option. Sure, people could still vandalize, but they do that anyways. And it would be a simple task to simply remove the exemption after the first (and last) offense.

<br/>It certainly seems better than excluding people who ''want'' to contribute, solely to preserve the appearance of discouraging those who wish to be destructive. And it would certainly provide no less safety than is currently present with AOL users. Those users have all the anonymity of proxy users, but don't even have ''soft'' blocks.

<br/>What I (and others) am suggesting is not even blanket softblocks for these IPs, but rather ''some'' mechanism of simply allowing them to receive an ipblock-exempt bit. This would leave proxy editors as being held to a ''higher'' standard than AOL users currently are, so I don't see how vandalism could really be a concern.

<br/>Thoughts? Comments? [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 19:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I am a strong supporter of people using Tor to edit Wikipedia, and I think the current situation is quite unfortunate. There are complications to be sure, but the idea that admins can use Tor, while ordinary users can not, does not strike me as particularly appropriate. Anyone who is a normal trusted editor ought to be able to use Tor if they like... and why not?--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 19:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

:From my understanding, the developers added the feature that allows admininstrators to edit while their underlying IP is blocked with the intention that it be given to trusted users, but have not created an interface to allow the permission to be assigned, and at present it is given automatically to administrators. Perhaps we should ask the developers if they can create an interface for it at a special page, and let sterwards and/or bureucrats and/or sysops be able to use the interface. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 19:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

::That sounds like a wonderful idea. :) (Uh... happen to know how to contact the developers?) Incidentally, I think sysops could be trusted with the ability to assign that bit, no? It's hardly different in principle from blocking and unblocking. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 19:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

::As the one who originally proposed that feature ([[bugzilla:3706]]), I can say my intention was to help trusted users (not only administrators, but also known non-vandal editors) who shared an IP address with non-logged-in vandals. The thought of using it to help trusted people bypass blocks on open proxies or tor outproxies (unless they happened to share an IP with an open proxy or tor outproxy) was never on my mind; in fact, such usage can be dangerous unless the secure server is being used (due to the possibility of password sniffing). I also never thought of a particular interface; my idea was that bureaucrats would be the ones somehow setting or resetting the flag. That this feature currently allow a sysop-only ability to edit via tor is an unfortunate side-effect (unfortunate due to it being sysop-only, not due to being able to edit via tor). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 03:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I do realize that password-sniffing is still a concern if this is to be done. (I have to suspect it's not a ''major'' concern, but there's really no reason to ''not'' address a potential vulnerability when investigating a new feature) It seems to me that anyone requesting the exemption would have to agree to use the secure server. (And, for that matter, the secure server would need to be advertised at least a little bit better. I had no idea it even existed until I read a question about it in one of the RfA's) [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 03:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Anyone editing through any proxy (or on any network they don't have personal control over the security of) should be editing using the secure server, this is certainly true. (Realistically, I imagine most TOR exit node operators have better things to do than sniff the connection on the off chance they catch a Wikipedia admin's password, but you never know.) Bladestorm, and anyone else with an opinion on this situation, you're certainly welcome to join the discussion at [[WT:NOP]], as currently exactly these questions are being decided there. (And Jimbo, of course, that includes you too if you'd like to drop in a word or two. :) ) [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small>^{[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]}</small> 03:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::I thought the secure server used null encryption? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 03:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::::::You know what? I have a degree in computer science, and all these details are ''still'' tricky to follow. I can't imagine what it must be like to absolute laymen. [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 04:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::::::No, it currently uses [[AES-256]], at least for me (I just checked). There's no way it can use only null encryption; Firefox, for instance, will not accept null encryption (check on <code>[[about:config]]</code> the default value for the booleans under <code>security.ssl2</code> and <code>security.ssl3</code>). --[[User:CesarB|cesarb]] 04:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I am so freaking glad I focused on AI and combinatorial optimization instead of encryption and network security. That's absolutely greek to me. :) [[User:Bladestorm|Bladestorm]] 04:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::: Cesar, you may want to have a look at [[:bugzilla:6711|Bug 6711]]. Closed as fixed... maybe undergoing testing or awaiting release? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]^{([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])} 08:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You guys might also want to take a look at [[bugzilla:9862|this]], which is the specific request to have this permission enabled on enwiki, including an extension that I wrote for it (Special:Makeipexempt). However, it seems to have stalled, and no one wishes to implement this (even though it'd be a very easy fix). <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]^{[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]}&nbsp;<em style="font-size:10px;">00:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)</em>

:/me prods Jimmy to prod the devs :) I can think of [[User:Armedblowfish|a number]] of happy campers should this fix go through sooner rather than later... Cheers, '''[[User:Daniel|<span style="color:#2E82F4">Daniel</span>]]''' 00:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== What does porn have to do with an Encyclopedia? ==

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Why does Wikipedia allow porn? [[User:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #E56717; color: #000000;">&nbsp;Tcrow777&nbsp;</span>]][[User_talk:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #F88017; color: #FFFFFF;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]] 02:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Name = [[Image:Korn logo.png|Korn|125px|]]

| Img = Korn_Billboardpromo.gif

:Because [[WP:CENSOR|it isn't censored]]. --'''[[User:The Raven's Apprentice|The Raven's Apprentice]]''' ^{('''[[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|PokéNav]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|Trainer Card]]''')} 02:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Img_capt = Promo Picture Thanks to Billboard.com

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::I know, but isn't that taking it to the extreme. [[User:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #E56717; color: #000000;">&nbsp;Tcrow777&nbsp;</span>]][[User_talk:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #F88017; color: #FFFFFF;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]] 03:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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| Origin = [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px]] [[Bakersfield]], [[California]], [[United States]]

:::It isn't like we host pornography, we just don't censor images relevant to an article. Usually, they are fairly tasteful. Is there a particular image that you are objecting to?--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 03:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Genre = [[Nu metal]] <br> [[Alternative metal]] <br> [[Industrial metal]] <br> [[Progressive metal]]<ref name="Kornspace.com - 8th Studio Album">{{cite web | title=Kornspace.com - 8th Studio Album |work= Retrieved on [[May 27]], [[2007]] | url=http://www.kornspace.com/main/page.php?38}}</ref> <br> [[Gothic rock]] <ref name="MTV.com - Korn Are Cracking Up Over Gothic Feel">{{cite web | title=MTV.com - Korn Are Cracking Up Over Gothic Feel |work= Retrieved on [[May 27]], [[2007]] | url=http://www.kornspace.com/main/news.php?extend.715}}</ref> <br> [[Acoustic music | Acoustic]]

| Years_active = [[1992]] – present

::::Technically, the Wikimedia Foundation does host porn because it is stored on their servers and is freely available. I object to all porn. [[User:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #E56717; color: #000000;">&nbsp;Tcrow777&nbsp;</span>]][[User_talk:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #F88017; color: #FFFFFF;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]] 03:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Label = [[Sony BMG Music Entertainment]]/[[Epic Records]] (1994-2004) <br/>[[EMI]]/[[Virgin Records]]

<br> (2005 - present)</br>

:::::Please don't be unreasonable about it—it does not show explicit sexual acts (such as a facial actually happening or anal sex being done by two guys), and therefore is not pornography. &mdash; [[User:Springeragh|<span style="background:#808;color:#fff;text-decoration:none;">&nbsp;'''''$PЯIПG'''''</span>]][[User talk:Springeragh|<span style="background:#808;color:#fff;text-decoration:none;">rαgђ&nbsp;</span>]] 03:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Associated_acts = [[Sexart]]<br>[[L.A.P.D. (band)|L.A.P.D.]]<br> [[Fieldy's Dreams]]<br>[[Korn's Back-Up Band]]<br>

| URL = http://www.korn.com

::::::Check out [[fellatio]], Spring. Or [[List of sex positions]]. An illustration is as bad as a photograph. But the fact remains, Wikipedia is not censored, and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT|IDONTLIKEIT]] is not a valid reason for removal. --'''[[User:The Raven's Apprentice|The Raven's Apprentice]]''' ^{('''[[User Talk:The Raven's Apprentice|PokéNav]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/The Raven's Apprentice|Trainer Card]]''')} 03:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

| Current_members = [[Jonathan Davis]]<br/>[[Reginald Arvizu|Reginald "Fieldy" Arvizu]]<br/>[[James Shaffer|James "Munky" Shaffer]] <br/> [[David Silveria]] <small>(on hiatus)</small><br/>

| Past_members = [[Brian Welch|Brian "Head" Welch]]<br/>

Information about sex is a part of "the sum of all human knowledge." We present it in an encyclopedic way, and I very much doubt that people come to wikipedia seeking the titillation that the word "porn" suggests.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 03:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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:::::::These illustrations do not show it happening. They show what does happen, but they do not show it happen'''ing'''. &mdash; [[User:Springeragh|<span style="background:#808;color:#fff;text-decoration:none;">&nbsp;'''''$PЯIПG'''''</span>]][[User talk:Springeragh|<span style="background:#808;color:#fff;text-decoration:none;">rαgђ&nbsp;</span>]] 03:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:Porn (and sex in general) is a very common field of human endeavor. Therefore, it makes sense for Wikipedia to document it. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 04:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess a more relevant question is not "Why does Wikipedia host porn?" but "Why am I so obsessed with porn I feel the need to "take a stand" against encylopedically written articles on it?" [[User:Dev920|Dev920]] (Have a nice day!) 10:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:Or, alternatively, one might ask "Why do I reflexively and obsequiously defend a former porn king (Jimbo Wales) when the subject comes up here?".+[[User:ILike2BeAnonymous|ILike2BeAnonymous]] 12:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

::I think this editor should be blocked for violation of WP:NPA. I won't do it myself because I am personally involved.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 15:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Sternly warned, if that is sufficient, [[User:GDonato|GDonato]] ('''[[User talk:GDonato|talk]]''') 16:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Im Deutschen haben wir dafür ein Sprichwort: "Was stört es die Eiche, wenn sich ein Schwein an ihr reibt?" - in diesem Sinne - auf sowas gar nicht eingehen. Wenn man es beachtet, wird es erst wichtig. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] 17:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::::OK, since I don't speak German (and neither do many others here, no doubt, this being the English Wikipedia), here's a rough translation (''very'' rough, rendered by [http://www.freetranslation.com freetranslation.com]) of your comments:

:::::''In the German, we have for that a proverb: "What it disturbs itself the oak, if a pig at its reibt?" - In this sense - on such a thing do not go in at all. If one notes it, it becomes first important.'' +[[User:ILike2BeAnonymous|ILike2BeAnonymous]] 17:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'd translate the proverb as "What does the oak care when a pig rubs against it?" --[[User:Dapete|Dapete]][[User talk:Dapete|ばか]] 09:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::To which I would reply, "Why do you infer that by expressing an opinion a person is acting in defence of a third party on the basis that said third party may have or might have had an interest in the subject being discussed?" [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 13:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

::Right, because Bomis and Wikipedia have SO MUCH IN COMMON THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH US. They were both started by Jimbo Wales. They both have some content you probably wouldn't show your kids. ''''Oh god, Wikipedia is a porn site!''''

::Please. We aren't censored, we aren't for little kids, and we don't want to be. The sum of human knowledge doesn't end at names and dates. [[Mike the headless chicken]]- [[Fucking, Austria]]- hell, pretty much anything in [[WP:ODD]] might not be something you'd find in Britannica, but they're sure as heck notable and interesting subjects. WP isn't meant to be a free Britannica, or a free Encarta. We're meant to be a free encyclopedia, and that's free as in speech, too. Unless you can provide a good reason why things that are probably ''the only reason you are alive right now'' are unencyclopedic, you should probably stop flinging crap. --<big>[[User:L|L]]</big>^{<small>[[User talk:L|augh!]]</small>} 13:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:::The wonderful thing about this encyclopedia is that it aims to cover EVERY single topic in the world in great detail. That's why it is so popular. It doesn't shy away from various topics for fear of upsetting people. Why should all articles with images of nice, juicy, blood dripping slices of meat be deleted just because vegetarians might riot on looking at them? The world's best encyclopedia covers everything and anything, going to any length to explain it properly. This is why this encyclopedia is (in that sense) the best there is and why it is used so much. Shouldn't all encyclopedias (other than children's encyclopedias) be like that? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">[[User:Lradrama|<span style="color:red">Lra</span>]][[User talk:Lradrama|drama]]</span> 09:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::How many pictures of [[Erection]]s do we need to illustrate an article? And why do we keep both ''unused images'' and the editors who seek imaginative ways to display them to the ''unsuspecting''? ([http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CheckUsage.php?w=_100000&i=Image:Erection%20by%20David%20Shankbone.jpg#end Example problem - graphic]) Note that the image in question was deleted from Wikipedia but re-uploaded to Commons. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::I know there was a warning, but I clicked anyway. I wish I didn't, but I did. [[User:The_undertow|''the_undertow'']] [[User_talk:The_undertow|<font style="color:5bf8a9"><small>^talk</small></font>]] 07:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::I think we should leave it how it is. After all, Wikipedia has lots of stuff that arn't in other encyclopedias. And there arn't any "porny" pictures even on the porn article itself. [[User:Assasin Joe | <big>⊕</big>Assasin Joe]] ^{[[User_talk:Assasin Joe |talk]]} 18:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

An answer to the question at the begining: Why not? It depends to live like to eat, to drink or to sleep. Not to talk (and write) about those things would be very bad. Sexuality, and this includes Pornography and Prostitution, is a normal thing, only the world dont want it to know or realize. Wikipedia will show the world. And Pornography is everywhere. And people who don't want to read about it musn't look out for these themes. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] 17:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Most of the images of [[Erection]] also have very odd liscencing. (An image the uploader took,... yeah right) If wikipedia is to have any images, then they should at least have correct liscencing that corresponds to Wikipedia's Fair-Use policy.

::Fair use doesn't apply here because the photographers are wikieditors and released the image with a free licence. There is nothing strange about that, it is the normal situation on En.Wikipedia and the only situation on commons. BTW please always sign your posts so we can see who is saying what. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 18:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, might I reccomend that if you have a problem with wikipedias stance on censorship, porn and sex. you might want to check out [http://www.conservapedia.com/Porn this project] which believes porn does not exist as well as many other controversial topics. [[User:Chrislk02|-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)]] 18:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:That project was deleted! I want Wikipedia to be safe for all users, an Elementary School user might be able to handle profanity (as long as G.D. is not mentioned more then it needs to be), but porn is something no Elementary School user should see. [[User:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #E56717; color: #000000;">&nbsp;Tcrow777&nbsp;</span>]][[User_talk:Tcrow777|<span style="background: #F88017; color: #FFFFFF;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]] 08:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::The deletion was the joke. Encyclopedia's are not meant for elementary school students(we have a different wiki for that). Another thing, what self respecting parent would let their child have unrestricted internet access, responsibility lies with them. Lord knows if the child searches "porn" he would be lucky to get the wiki article over the other stuff that is out there. Also, porn isn't the only thing on wiki inappropriate for young 'uns, so you propose censoring of a massive amount of material. --[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 08:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::TCrow, every elementary school student knows what a naked person looks like, and many of them have had some kind of sex education. A few images demonstrating (most of the sex ones are drawings and not even real images) sex or genitalia are not porn. Its the same thing you'd find in a sex ed class, health class, or a biology/human anatomy class. What elementary school child would be looking up what a [[Penis]] or the [[Kama Sutra]] is on Wikipedia anyways? You also seem to be showing a Christian bias with that profanity comment, Wikipedia is for all walks of life and what offends one person may not bother someone else at all, we don't have to view something we see as offensive; there is no need to censor the whole project. [[User:Darthgriz98|<font color="#084B8A">Darth</font>]][[User_Talk:Darthgriz98|<font color="#008080">Griz98</font>]] 14:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== [[Kaaba]] ==

You may wish to take a look at the on-going discussion on this article concerning its inclusion of a depiction of the Islamic prophet [[Muhammad]]. It's a rather contentious debate and at least one admin is pushing for a "compromise" between those who want inclusion based on the fact that the image is informative and that Wiki is not censored and those who find the image is offensive. I believe that any "compromise" here is a violation of both the spirit and letter of Wiki policy which is why I bring this issue up to you. --[[User:Strothra|Strothra]] 20:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

== Comba-Tai ==

Dear Mr. Whales, I would like the Comba-Tai page completely deleted because there was not adequate time given to the discussion of this page. It is my belief that there were some inflammatory ignorant statements made against this African American Martal art that are legally noteworthy. I am the proprietor of this system and I formerly request that the Comba-Tai page be completely removed. It is my belief that Wikipedia procedures lend to a high degree of biases which is unworthy of any martial art. By the way, there is no where stated in any Comba-Tai article that immigrant “Nights Templar” went to Jones County. Such ignorance is indicative of what I believe to be bias evaluators on this page. Also the “Asian etymology” of some of its techniques is evident in the Asian systems it practices. What are they talking about? Again this look’s like bias ignorance that looks really bad. I mention these areas because they were made by people who agreed to delete this page. 90% of the comments are opinion, none are based on fact. What encyclopedic value it that. So please remove any mention of Comba-Tai from what I believe to be an international disgrace. Thank you.

--[[User:216.241.52.114|216.241.52.114]] 22:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:To 216.241.52.114, I've place a header above your comment to separate it from the preceding comment. I would also mention that I could not find Comba-Tai, even as a deleted article. Can you provide better details? [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 22:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

::The discussion is here[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Comba_Tai] Best regards, [[User:Hamster Sandwich|Hamster Sandwich]] 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm sure that Jimbo, as well as 216.241.52.114, would thank you for that. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 23:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but trying to get your article deleted from Wikipedia, on the grounds that you don't like Wikipedia, will probably draw a lot of attention to you...which in turn will '''force''' Wikipedia to have an article on you --<big>[[User:L|L]]</big>^{<small>[[User talk:L|augh!]]</small>} 19:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::Since the article was already deleted, I am going to take this as a request to courtesy-blank the discussion. By the way, in all similar cases, I encourage anyone to do courtesy blankings of such pages. When an article is deleted and there have been some harsh comments (and the truth or untruth of those comments seems to me not very important) it is often a good way to let someone walk away with dignity. The page could always be referenced or restored if it became necessary, but in the meantime there is no need to have a public page about how unimportant someone or something is.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 19:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Do you encourage blanking of all deletion debates similar to this, or only on request? --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 19:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::I would say we can be pretty casual about it. It's really no big deal, less than deletion even, and deletion is no big deal too. In many cases, there is no reason to blank, but if it is a living person or seems to be a "vanity" article where the person has emotionally defended inclusion, it seems courteous. Just depends on the context I guess.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 22:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::I thank you for the direction you have provided. Best regards, [[User:Hamster Sandwich|Hamster Sandwich]] 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== User:Smatprt violations ==

There is an annoying user who has been complained about by at least six editors for obstructing the development of the Shakespeare project. I suggest a long ban. Testimony can be found here.[[Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#User:Smatprt_violations]] ([[User:Felsommerfeld|Felsommerfeld]] 22:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

:On second thoughts, maybe on reading those comments from editors he has learnt how distressing his behaviour has been to people and he can become a better person. So I withdraw my previous request with this hope in mind. ([[User:Felsommerfeld|Felsommerfeld]] 23:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

If he keeps it up post on [[WP:ANI]], they should help you. Otherwise continue improving articles.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Felsommerfeld has posted there, and on at least a dozen different admin and article talk pages. So far, the responding administrators have found NO reason for action and, in fact, have advised Felsommerfeld to stop deleting properly referenced material (that happens to disagree with his POV). He has also been advised to work things out at talk, instead of making false accusations of sock-puppetry (proven untrue) and the like.[[User:Smatprt|Smatprt]] 04:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It should also be noted that Felsommerfeld's complaint-spree appeared after I filed an administrative incident report [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=144128818] against him for making mass deletions of referenced material. The administrator on that case has warned Felsommerfeld about this and posted advice to the other mainstream editors of the Shakespeare Authorship page (who keep deleting material there, too) here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shakespearean_authorship_question&diff=prev&oldid=144622794] and here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shakespearean_authorship_question&diff=next&oldid=144653341]. Felsommerfeld's implied threats to retaliate on pages like this are here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shakespearean_authorship_question&diff=prev&oldid=143989844] and here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shakespearean_authorship_question&diff=next&oldid=143989844] and here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shakespearean_authorship_question&diff=next&oldid=143993662] Thanks for considering this info. [[User:Smatprt|Smatprt]] 14:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

On third thoughts, I don't think he's learnt anything and judging by this tirade will probably continue on his mission to rid the Shakespeare articles of all mention of the Stratford man, replacing him with the Earl of Oxford. It can't all be me if at least six editors have testified against him here!!! [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive95#User:Smatprt_violations]] ([[User:Felsommerfeld|Felsommerfeld]] 09:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC))

:This is definitely not the place to discuss this--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Just in case... ==

Someone's been playing around with TOR nodes tonight, and I've done a handful of blocks on those that I found being abused by at least a banned user. However, someone on a separate TOR node decided to point me to the conversation above, and has since been using others to replace the message and be a general pain in the butt. It's very likely that some other IP is going to bastardize this message or tack on a ZOMG ADMINABUSE to this, but I believe the message about you thinking no one should be using an open proxy (or a TOR proxy) to be editting Wikipedia holds in this situation.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 10:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=145196524&oldid=145195720]

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=145194731&oldid=145189150]

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=145176926&oldid=145157863]

Well, I was close.—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 10:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:[[Image:Symbol wtf vote.svg|20px]] '''zOMGadminabuse''' --<big>[[User:L|L]]</big>^{<small>[[User talk:L|augh!]]</small>} 19:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Comment on your user page ==

I hate to say this, but the edit count/summary/usage link in the top right is incompatible with classic skin, as it falls on top of the links to my use page, talk, preferences etc. Can something be done about this?&nbsp;&ndash; [[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]]<small> [[User talk:Tivedshambo|(talk)]]</small> 21:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Should be easy. I'll take a look. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]] 00:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:OKI've fixed it in classic. Doesn't look too bad in Monobook, perhaps someone else would like to play with css a bit . If you do though, please check the classic skin (and the others) to make sure your changes do not look awful in the other skins. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|Taste the Korn]]

::Thanks.&nbsp;&ndash; [[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]]<small> [[User talk:Tivedshambo|(talk)]]</small> 05:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== SCOX Trolls ==

These accounts are at it again. How about some help Mr. Wales, if you have time. It may be a good idea for you to refer the entire mess over to the arbcom to sort it all out.

*[[User:Pfagerburg]]

*[[User:Aim Here]]

*[[User:Kebron]]

They have been repeatedly told to stay away from me, but have not gotten the message. I will be out of town until next Tuesday on business in Texas. I can be reached by email.

[[User:Jeffrey Vernon Merkey|Jeffrey Vernon Merkey]] 03:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Have you gone through the typical series of steps to resolve this problem? Reasoned conversation, [[WP:WQA]], [[WP:RFC]], [[WP:ANI]], [[WP:MC]], [[WP:ARBCOM]]. --[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 03:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::No, he hasn't. But he insists that most people who criticise him are trolling, and for some odd reason, people actually ''believe'' him often. -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 03:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::He might have a case with [[User:Pfagerburg|Pfagerburg]] but the others don't appear to be trolls.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 03:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Doesn't really matter know. Someone's blocked everyone involved except me, including these three. So they'll be reflexively unblocked, and we'll go to Arbcom really fast. Enjoy the circus, I have to figure out how to not be listed as a party to the dispute. -[[User:Amarkov|Amarkov]] <small>[[User_talk:Amarkov|moo!]]</small> 03:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

<s>Does Mr. Merkey have some kind of power here? It seems unreasonable to block users at his beck and call.</s>--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 03:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Never mind he got blocked too. This could make for an interesting case.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 04:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Unfair actions by an admin and a serious issue plaguing Wikipedia. ==

Dear Mr. Wales,

I, [[User:Altruism]] would like to bring to your notice the repeated abuse of admin powers by [[User:Blnguyen]].

'''Korn''' (sometimes typeset as "'''KoЯn'''" to fit their official logo) is a Grammy Award winning, influential [[nu metal]]<ref name="All Music Guide - Korn">{{cite web | title=All Music Guide - Korn |work= Retrieved on [[January 24]], [[2007]] | url=http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:y098s34ya3mg}}</ref> band from [[Bakersfield, California]].

This is the second time in a fortnight that I've been blocked for 'violations' in [[Telugu script]]. Incidentally, this time [[User:Blnguyen]] not only unprotected the article (which was in deep conflict) but was also involved in "major edits", when he should have recused himself due to a "conflict of interest." He was not explicit in mentioning the reasons for the "major edits" in the

They are often credited with creating and popularizing the [[nu metal]] genre. Along with other bands of the time, they have also inspired many of nu metal, alternative metal and [[rap metal]] bands through the mid-[[1990s]] and early [[2000s]].

"edit summary," only caring to mention "rm dubious pictures." This only shows his suspicion at those pictures. After I reverted his edits twice, another user reverted my reverts by explicitly mentioned the reasons in the "edit summary," which I respected. [[User:Blnguyen]] has been extremely hasty and violated the last guideline of [[Wikipedia:Copyright_violations]] as no appropriate warnings, nor any explicit mention of his reasons was made in the edit summary of [[Telugu script]] .

Since their 1994 self-titled debut album, Korn have sold over 32 million records worldwide, including 19 million in the U.S., making them one of the best-selling metal acts of the last fifteen years.<ref name="www.showtimetickets.com">{{cite web | title=www.showtimetickets.com | work= Mention of sales | url=http://www.showtimetickets.com/concerts/rock-pop/korn.jsp}}</ref> The band's catalogue consists of five consecutive Multi-Platinum Studio albums (including the compilation album ''[[Greatest Hits, Volume 1 (Korn album)|Greatest Hits, Volume 1]]'', a live album, and an [[MTV Unplugged]] album in the top 10 of [[Billboard Top 200]] best selling albums. To date Korn has scored 6 [[Grammy]] nominations, and won 2 such awards. Five of their albums have been certified as multi-platinum. [[Jonathan Davis]] has entered Hit Parader's "100 Greatest Heavy Metal Vocalists" list peaking at #16 <ref name="Blabbermouth-100greatestvocalist">{{cite web| url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=63106

| title= Blabbermouth - Heavy Metal's All-Time Top 100 Vocalist}}</ref>, [[James Shaffer|James "Munky" Shaffer]] and [[Head (musician)|Brian "Head" Welch]] are #26 at the list of Guitar World's "100 Greatest Metal Guitarists".<ref name="Blabbermouth-100greatestguitarist">{{cite web| url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=18446

| title= Blabbermouth - 100 Greatest Heavy Metal Guitarist of All-Time}}</ref>

Please see my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blnguyen#Finally.2C_the_block.2C_thanks_to_you.2C_ends earlier conversation] with [[User:Blnguyen]]. He is dangerously courteous and evasive in answering, when asked about why he was biased and hasty in blocking me. I strongly feel that Admin privileges are probably the last thing to be vested with such biased users.

As of 2006, Korn have had a pretty solid lineup, with Head being the only founding memeber of the 5 to leave. they do however. They do quite a few touring memebers who have changed over time.

I also have concrete evidence of [[User:Blnguyen]] supporting and succumbing to bait from a '''gang of users''', engaged in widespread vandalism/trolling in several articles, especially those pertaining to [[Andhra Pradesh]], [[Telugu script]], [[Beary bashe]], [[Belgaum border dispute]] etc. Plz. see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive267#My_previously_deleted_post_during_my_24_hr._block a complaint of mine, which fell on deaf ears;] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Sarvagnya#User:Sarvagnya a complaint of sock-puppetry.]

==History==

=== Formation, first demo, and ''Korn'' (1992-1995) ===

Korn formed after the group [[L.A.P.D. (band)|L.A.P.D.]] folded, and after their original singer, Rich Morrill, left the band to take care of his drug addictions. The musicians (Arvizu, Welch, Shaffer, and Silveria) wanted to continue, and began the search for a new lead singer. One night in 1992, Welch and Shaffer were in a nightclub together, and were intending to stay for only a few minutes. That all changed once a band called [[Sexart]] took to the stage. They were intrigued by the singer, Jonathan Davis, who met up with the members after the gig was finished. At first, Davis did not want to accept the position of lead singer, but after consulting a psychic who told him he would be stupid to not do it, he signed on. The group found they were highly cohesive early on and so, formed a brand-new band by the name of Korn in 1992. Welch took the pseudonym "Head," Arvizu became "Fieldy", and Shaffer took the name "Munky".

I request your immediate intervention in this major dispute especially the '''users ganging up''' plaguing and disturbing at least several hundreds of users. I'm bothering you because I like many others had no other recourse anywhere on Wikipedia. Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 07:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

In 1993, Korn began a working process with friend and producer [[Ross Robinson]]. With him, Korn began work on and released its first demo in 1993, ''[[Neidermeyer's Mind]]''. It contained 4 songs: "Predictable," "[[Blind (song)|Blind]]," "[[Daddy (song)|Daddy]]", and "Alive". "Blind" was originally written by Davis and Sexart, but was revised with new lyrics by Korn. The style changed as well: the original version was heavy metal-oriented; Korn's version, while still heavy-metal, contains hip-hop influences.

::This is ridiculous. The first block was for 5RR. After that it was brought to my attention that there were copyvios on the page, so I made my edits to remove these copyvios. Then I unprotected the page so that everyone could have an editing opportunity. Altruism decided to reinstate unsrouced pictures, which were already tagged as problematic on the caption on the screen. '''[[User:Blnguyen|<font color="GoldenRod">Blnguyen</font>]]''' (''[[User talk:Blnguyen|<font color="#FA8605">bananabucket</font>]]'') 07:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Korn had problems getting signed during its first year, mainly because of its unique style. The band did not fit in with the current rock scene of the 90’s, which was Seattle grunge rock. Horrified record executives and producers turned the other way at the soballsund of Davis' painful lyrics and the vicious musicality. But one night in 1994, Paul Pontius from Immortal/Epic Records heard the band in a nightclub. He was so impressed with the band that he signed them on the spot. With two producers, Robinson and Pontius, and a label, Korn produced their self-titled debut album in 1994, ''[[Korn (album)|Korn]]''.

:Have you tried ANI or RFC?--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 07:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Musically, its tracks mix both heavy metal and hip-hop, the latter of which in rhythms and beats. It also features scat-type vocals on the song "[[Ball Tongue]]", and bagpipes on the song "[[Shoots and Ladders (song)|Shoots and Ladders]]". "Daddy", the closing track, is musically and emotionally heavy. "Blind" was the 1st single from the album; it was extremely well-liked by fan-bases and quickly became their most popular song to this day. Critics have agreed that ''Korn'' was the very first nu-metal album.

::Sigh... I figured as much. Can you two find some way to work it out?--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 08:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Korn toured incessantly to promote their first album. With no radio play or MTV, they relied solely on their intensive live shows which created a large cult following of dedicated fans. It was through the effort of this cult that gave ''Korn'' the #1 spot on the Billboard Heatseekers charts in 1995, with "Shoots and ladders" being their first nominee for Best Metal Performance and the Grammy Awards later that year.

I did make 5RRs the first time I was blocked. But all I did was to keep the content intact before my request for re-protection was acceded. I requested unprotection in the first place, only in [[WP:AGF]] , in order to arrive at a consensus on [[Telugu script]] on the lines of [[Telugu language]]. I can definitely say that [[User:Blnguyen]] reacts to different users in very different ways, not uniformly, which is why he should be relieved of his "admin responsibilities." He is biased. I'd apologise to Mr. Wales for spamming his discussion page, but for the importance of the larger issue. Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 08:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

On their first large tour, Korn opened for [[Glenn Danzig]], alongside [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson]]. Other bands that Korn opened for in 1995 included [[Megadeth]], [[311 (band)|311]], [[Fear Factory]], [[Flotsam and Jetsam (band)|Flotsam and Jetsam]], and [[KMFDM]]. However, the first tour that widely exposed the band was opening for [[Ozzy Osbourne]] alongside the [[Deftones]]. After opening for lesser-known bands such as [[Dimestore Hoods]], [[Sugar Ray]], and [[Life of Agony]], Korn returned to Immortal to record a second album.

:He might not even comment, and this kind of thing seems all to common here. I suggest you work it out between yourselves, or, if that is not possible, you seek help via the [[WP:RFC]] process. If that fails then go to mediation. These steps were put in place specifically for cases like these.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 08:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

===''Life Is Peachy''(1996-1997)===

It just may not work because he's an admin, whose powers he's least hesitant of using.

My main message to Mr. Wales is to highlight the traumatic case of '''users ganging up''' and/or indulging in [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|Sock puppetry]] and getting away, probably in collusion with some admins!! --<font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 08:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Korn teamed up with Pontius and Robinson once again for their second album, ''[[Life Is Peachy]]'', released in 1996. It features a much different sound than their debut, adding even more of a downtuned 7-string guitar sound. There were plenty of diverse songs on this record: "Porno Creep", the band's only instrumental, features a [[porn groove|wah-drenched pseudo-funk sound]], similar to many 1970s porn movies. They covered [[War (band)|War]]'s "[[Low Rider (song)|Lowrider]]", with Davis' bagpipes and Head on vocals. "Twist" was only 49 seconds long, and featured Davis' scat vocals backed by extremely heavy guitars. "[[A.D.I.D.A.S.]]" was the first single, seemingly in reference to the popular clothing line. In actuality, the song title was an acronym for "All Day I Dream About Sex", as apparent in the lyrics.

:They are not socks, unless someone has the time and energy to create and maintain 5 very active accounts with a variety of edit patterns just to gang up on you. I think ganging up in this case might be [[WP:CON]] and you might want to try to work with them rather than against them.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 08:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

To help promote their new album, Korn accepted the once-in-a-lifetime chance at superstardom by opening for [[Metallica]]. Then, they turned to one of the newest resources available—the [[Internet]]. These strategies worked: ''Life Is Peachy'' sold more than 106,000 copies its first week on shelves and reached #3 on The Billboard 200 charts. The second single off the album, "[[No Place to Hide (song)|No Place To Hide]]", spawned a Grammy nomination for Best Metal Performance.

To say the least, I've pro-actively tried to collaborate and do constructive edits. I've tried arbitration, but to little or no avail. At least 2 of the 5 mentioned may be indulging in [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]], one case of which was confirmed by an investigator, only to be cleared of the charges on the basis of [[User:Blnguyen]] and others' report. Is it appropriate to discuss this on Mr. Wales' page? Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 08:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Arbitration?(I don't think you have gone to Arbcom have you?) that would be premature. It seems mediation [[WP:M]] is the correct venue at this point. Yes, this is semi-inappropriate for this venue, but it happens all the time anyway. --[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 09:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Another key factor in raising the band's popularity was co-headlining the [[Lollapalooza]] 1997 music festival with [[Tool (band)|Tool]]. Ross Robinson parted ways with Korn in 1997, but his role in the music production industry was far from over. He went on to produce records for bands like [[Limp Bizkit]], [[Machine Head]], [[Slipknot (band)|Slipknot]], [[Glassjaw]], [[Cold (band)|Cold]], and [[Sepultura]].

Yes, I'm open to [[WP:M]] but what about the damage already done. My unblemished track record in Wikipedia was spoilt not once but twice.

Also that year, Korn augmented their growing crossover appeal by collaborating with Los Angeles based producer duo [[Dust Brothers]] on the track "Kick the PA". This track appeared on the motion picture soundtrack of the film [[Spawn (film)|Spawn]].

More importantly, what about the larger issue (different/same users ganging up) of repeated reverts, deletions by absolutely rigid users. Shouldn't this be examined by a larger audience, probably to block any loopholes that WP policy may have, currently. Could you throw any solutions? Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 09:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

In late 1997, Korn formed their own label, Elementree Records. The first band they signed was [[Orgy (band)|Orgy]] (featuring former members of Davis' band Sexart), who gave Elementree its first Platinum album with ''[[Candyass]]''. Over the next few years they signed acts like [[Videodrone]], rapper [[Marz]], and [[Deadsy]].

:Yes, Mediation. That leaves it open to a wider audience, where people will comment. If you feel it really needs lots of opinions, go to [[WP:RFC]] and create a RFC on either yourself or the admin. Mediation is definately the best option. Also, even if you were trying to do good, breaching 3RR is a serious offense. [[WP:AGF]] does not count in that case. Also, in the case of copyvios, it is normal to remove until investigation - having them online can cause major problems and/or legal troubles for Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation. [[User:TheFearow|Matt/TheFearow]] <small>[[User_Talk:TheFearow|(Talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/TheFearow|(Contribs)]] [[User:DeadBot|(Bot)]]</small> 09:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

===''Follow the Leader'', mainstream success (1998-1999)===

Prior to the release of the band's third album, Korn produced a weekly internet TV show, KornTV, that documented the making of the record and featured special guests such as [[porn star]] [[Ron Jeremy]], [[Limp Bizkit]], and [[311 (band)|311]]. The project also gave fans the chance to call in and ask the band questions and represented one of the first times a band utilized the internet in such a way. October 1998 saw Korn at their peak as they released their third album, ''[[Follow the Leader (Korn album)|Follow the Leader]]''. It featured a number of guest vocalists such as [[Ice Cube]], [[Tre Hardson]] from the [[Pharcyde]], and [[Fred Durst]] of Limp Bizkit, as well as a rewritten version of the old club song Molested, re-titled My Gift to You. DO IT BERT

But shouldn't copyvio or something to that effect have been mentioned in the "edit summary." [[User:Blnguyen]] only says "rm dubious pictures." As far as the dictionary goes, it only indicates suspicion, which is why I reverted. But after [[User:Zamkudi]] mentioned the reasons, I stopped. Despite stopping, I was blocked by the same admin [[User:Blnguyen]] for the 2^nd time in a fortnight. Yes, I did violate 3RR the first time. Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 09:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Korn launched a political campaign-style tour to promote the release of ''Follow the Leader''. It took the group all over North America to spread the news of their "Family Values" platform to fans at special "fan conferences" that were organized at every stop along the tour route. Korn chartered a jet, which took them to record stores in such cities as Riverside, Mt. View, Sacramento, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, Toronto, Atlanta, and Dallas. They talked to fans at every stop, answered questions during the special "fan conferences" and signed autographs. Jim Rose hosted the entire "Kampaign" tour. Celebrities at various stops included [[Ice Cube]] and [[Todd McFarlane]]. and of course roberts dick

::[conflict] Well, the "larger audience" usually(hopefully) gets involved when you post at RFC or a a relevant wikiproject. As for ganging up, that is their consensus versus your lone view. Unless you can convince somebody or them that you are in the right on an issue, then your edits won't stand. I recommend using policy WP:V and WP:RS when in a content dispute and WP:AGF when in a personal one. Try to find some common ground and engage them on the talkpage with suggestions. You might consider making a sandbox that demonstrates what you would like the article to look like. This will avoid mainspace conflict. I think this is probably a good start anyway.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 09:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The album was a success, reaching No.1 on the U.S. and Canadian charts and spawning the singles "Got the Life" and "Freak on a Leash." Follow The Leader debuted at the #1 slot in Canada, New Zealand and Australia; #4 in Finland; #5 in France, the UK and Norway; #8 in Japan; #10 in Holland; #12 in Germany; and it registered the highest debut on the Pan European "Music & Media" chart (at #6). The animated bullet segments in the video for "Freak on a Leash" were directed by [[Todd McFarlane]] (creator of the [[Spawn (comics)|Spawn]] comic book and a former artist for Spider-Man comics). Greg Capullo, long-time Spawn penciler, drew the cover art for the album. The live action in the video, directed by [[Jonathan Dayton (director)|Jonathan Dayton]] and [[Valerie Faris]], used innovative techniques which allowed the camera to follow a bullet in flight through various scenes. GYA!

There is probably much more to it than just 'consensus' and I'm not the lone person to feel this. I can assure you that there are at least several tens of editors, who feel the same as myself. In brief, the problem is that the "gang," is from a state in [[India]], whose neighbouring states' editors feel wronged, mainly to due to their very unusual, highly systematic and efficient co-operation between them. Please see "Article historys" and decide for yourself. What else would or should be their reason to disgustingly interfere in all major articles pertaining to those of their neighbouring states? I'm not making a mine out of a molehill. What I'm saying is the "Gospel truth." I can provide the names, proofs etc. if needed. Thanking You, <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 09:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

"Freak on a Leash" won a [[Grammy]] for Best Video (Short Form) and earned nine MTV Awards nominations for Video of the Year, Breakthrough Video, Best Direction, Best Special Effects, Best Art Direction, Best Cinematography, and Viewer's Choice. Eventually it won two, for Best Rock Video and Best Editing. ''Follow the Leader'' is the band's most commercially successful album, being certified 5x [[Gold record|Platinum]] by the [[RIAA]] and having sold almost ten million copies worldwide.

:Am I to understand that there is some [[ethnocentrism]] involved in this case? If so this might be a little more problematic(my recommendations stand however.) I advise that you gather your evidence and supporters and go to the mediation committee. '''But'''Only after you have tried one last time ''sincerely'' to work it out. There is not much more to say and this thread is getting rather long. So lets try to wrap it up on this particular talkpage. --[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 10:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The same year ''Follow the Leader'' was released, Korn started their own annual tour called the [[Family Values Tour]]. That year they headlined the tour along with [[Incubus (band)|Incubus]], [[Orgy (band)|Orgy]], Limp Bizkit, Ice Cube, and [[Rammstein]]. It was a highly successful tour. A live CD and DVD from Family Values Tour '98 earned gold and platinum statuses, respectively. In 1999, Limp Bizkit headlined, along with [[Primus (band)|Primus]], [[Staind]], [[The Crystal Method]], [[Method Man & Redman]], and [[Filter (band)|Filter]]. [[System of a Down]] was kicked off the tour by [[Fred Durst]] in retaliation for System's role in [[Taproot (band)|Taproot]] signing with a record label other than Durst's. Korn were not featured on the bill and instead only made surprise appearances at a few of the tour's stops to perform their first single off of their next album, "[[Falling Away from Me]]". The tour took a break in 2000.

Absolutely, I'm more of a pacifist than an aggressor (at least in WP). I've tried explaining and reasoning it out with at least some members of the "gang." This may not be with respect to different ethnic groups, but to people from different parts (unfortunately, only neighbouring states) of [[India]], divided in this case by language, culture etc.. Why should anybody show an unusual amount of interest in removing facts (no citations), deletions, including objectionable portions etc.? [[Telugu script]] is a good example of this. I suggest that you please have a look at it, its contributors, their contributions etc. --<font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 10:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

In 1999 Korn performed at [[Woodstock '99]] on [[July 23]]. Other memorable moments include a feud with [[Ben Folds]] during which Folds released his "[[Rockin' the Suburbs]]" music video with a "Korn Sucks" protest frame in the middle of it.

:I will take a look as time allows, I hope that you find a resolution--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 11:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

===''Issues'' (1999-2001)===

The band's fourth album, ''[[Issues (album)|Issues]]'', produced by [[Brendan O'Brien]], was released in November 1999, featuring cover art designed by Alfredo Carlos, who won a contest held for the fans to design Korn's new album artwork. The album was released during a week of many new highly anticipated records. It debuted at #1 on The Billboard 200, keeping [[Dr. Dre]]'s long awaited album ''[[2001 (album)]]'' and Celine Dion's [[All the Way... A Decade of Song|greatest hits]] album from hitting #1. It was certified 4x [[Gold record|Platinum]] by the [[RIAA]], following up the success of ''Follow the Leader''. It featured a broader range of styles compared to previous albums due to the band's decision to no longer incorporate hip hop into its sound. Davis said in an interview "I like hip hop, I am a fan of it, but I don't want to be associated with it anymore." To celebrate the album's release, the band performed the record in its entirety in front of a live audience at [[New York]]'s historic [[Apollo Theater]] and broadcast the concert simultaneously across many radio stations. This performance made Korn the first rock band,<ref>[http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/season/2002/program_notes/pdf_files/pn_apollo.pdf+The+popular+band+KORN+rocks+the+Apollo+Theater+as+the+first+rock+band+to+perform+on+the+world&hl=pl&gl=pl&ct=clnk&cd=1 Cal Performances, University of California, Berkley]</ref> and only the second predominately white musical group to ever perform at The Apollo after the legendary Buddy Holly in the late 1950s. This special event featured the [[NYPD]] marching drum and bagpipe band conducted by [[Richard Gibbs]] as well as a group of back-up singers to enhance the more melodic choruses and backing vocals Davis used on the album. Earlier that year, Korn had appeared on an episode of [[South Park]], titled [[Korn's Groovy Pirate Ghost Mystery]], in which the first single from Issues, "[[Falling Away from Me]]", was premiered. In the episode, the band helped the boys solve a [[Scooby-Doo]] style mystery. Korn released two more singles off of Issues, "[[Make Me Bad]]" and "[[Somebody Someone]]", both of which fared well on US charts. Videos were also shot for all three singles, with longtime friend Durst directing "[[Falling Away from Me]]", and [[Udo Kier]] and [[Brigitte Nielsen]] starring in a concept video for "[[Make Me Bad]]". The video for "[[Somebody Someone]]" was a simple performance with some [[Computer-generated imagery|CGI]] effects. All the videos were staple of [[MTV]] [[Total Request Live]]. ''Issues'' is considered by some critics to be less metal-influenced and closer to [[alternative metal]] than [[nu metal]],<ref name="AMG">{{cite web | title=All Music Guide review - KoRn "Issues" |work= Retrieved on [[January 25]], [[2007]] | url=http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=sql=10:oy68mpmh9ffo&sql=10:peq8b5m49sqj}}</ref> however there is still the same signature aggression of other Korn albums present.

I eagerly look forward to an amicable resolution of the dispute. The last I want is animosity. Thank You. <font face="Trebuchet MS Bold Italic"><font color="Red"><b>[[User:Altruism|Altruism]]</b><b><font color="Green">^{[[User talk:Altruism|To talk]]}</font></b> </font></font> 11:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

In 2000, Jonathan Davis commissioned Swiss surreal artist [[H. R. Giger]] to create a special microphone stand. The idea was suggested to him by one of his friends who knew that Davis was a fan of his artwork. He started doing some sketches of plantlike snakes and vertebrae mixed with technical elements. Davis called him from his dressing room and told him that he had complete freedom to design the microphone stand as he wanted and his only concern was that it had be totally functional and as movable as possible, as well as biomechanical and erotic. The band visited his museum and met him in July of 2000 when they were touring in Europe. The bio-mechanical microphone stand was finished in 2001.<ref name="www.hrgiger.com">{{cite web | title=www.hrgiger.com | work= H. R. Giger website, in depth article on the mic stand| url=http://www.hrgiger.com/music/korn.htm}}</ref> It was introduced to fans one year later during Korn's ''Untouchables'' tour.

== DEMANDING FAIR WIKIPEDIA FOR THOUSANDS DISSIDENTS ==

===''Untouchables'' (2002-2003)===

In June 2002, after a year and a half of hard work and a long creative process, Korn re-emerged into the media spotlight with their fifth album, ''[[Untouchables (album)|Untouchables]]''. The release of this album was preceded by the show at Hammerstein Ballroom in New York on 10th June 2002, one day prior to the album's release, broadcasted digitally through the theaters in U.S. The album had a very dark feel while featuring synths, strings and various effects the band had never used in an album before. The overall feel was drastically different from previous efforts particularly tracks like "[[Alone I Break]]", "Hating", and the haunting "Hollow Life", which singer Jonathan Davis claims is his favorite Korn song to this day. ''Untouchables'' had disappointing sales. The band has blamed [[Warez|Internet piracy]] for the drop in sales, as an unmixed version of the album had leaked a whole five months prior to its official release date.

Dear Mr. Wales,

The album's first single "Here to Stay" earned a Grammy for Best Metal Performance. ''Untouchables'' has since been certified [[Music recording sales certification|Platinum]] by the [[RIAA]]. The first 2 videos from Untouchables were directed by the Hughes Brothers (best known for their films, [[Menace II Society]] and [[From Hell]]). The first video, "Here to Stay," has the band playing inside a TV on a static background along with controversial news stories and world issues being presented. The video was nominated to MTV Video Music Award for Best Rock Video and won the MuchMusic Video Award for Best International Video (Group). The second video, "[[Thoughtless]]", was a nod back to Jonathan's childhood as the character in the video is picked on and constantly beaten. The character ultimately gains revenge in a rather grotesque but deserving way (the original video showed the character shooting the bullies at prom, but was changed to him puking jets of bile onto the bullies instead). Although "Thoughtless" would be one of the more popular tracks on the album, it did not appear on [[Greatest Hits, Volume 1 (Korn album)|Greatest Hits Vol. 1]]. The third video for Untouchables, "Alone I Break," was directed by Sean Dack who won the honor of directing Korn's video through an MTV contest. The video kept with the darkness of Korn, showing Jonathan Davis killing off the members of the band after a supposed mistake made by Munky when they were performing. The band admitted it would have been more fun to do the video had the director been a true Korn fan

sorry to involve you demanding fairness for meanwhile obviously many thousands [[dissidents]] of Astronony, as claimed in

Prior to their next album, Korn released the single "[[Did My Time]]", which was featured on the soundtrack to the film ''[[Tomb Raider: Cradle of Life]]'' in early 2003. [[Angelina Jolie]] appeared in the video.

[[http://www.cosmologystatement.org/ An Open Letter to the Scientific Community]] Published in New Scientist, May 22, 2004

===''Take a Look in the Mirror''; ''Greatest Hits'' (2003-2004)===

Korn's sixth album, ''[[Take a Look in the Mirror]]'', was released in November 2003. Korn produced this record themselves. The album featured the singles "[[Right Now (Korn song)|Right Now]]", "[[Did My Time]]", "[[Everything I've Known]]", and "[[Y'All Want a Single]]". "Right Now" and "Everything I've Known" were animated videos, while "Y'All Want a Single" and "Did My Time" were performance video. "Y'all Want a Single" featured Korn and a large group of fans destroying a record store. The album peaked at No. 9 on The Billboard 200. The album is obviously a change back into the "nu metal" sound of Korn's first album.

This is only one document of many thousands to be found. It seems as if [[Big bang]] have become more and more something like a religion than a totally serious "winner of a scientific contest”. We feel: Are millions indoctrinated, mislead by one sole theory? Preventing own thinking?

During February of 2004, [[Guitar World]] released a list of the world's "100 greatest metal guitarists of all time" ranking Head and Munky at #26.<ref name="Guitar World's '100 greatest metal guitarists of all time'">{{cite web

| title = Guitar World's '100 greatest metal guitarists of all time'

| author = Olsen, Eric

| publisher = [[Guitar World]]

| date = 2004-2-01

| url = http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/02/01/150828.php

| accessdate = 2006-12-12 }}</ref>

It seems to be protected by a caste, erasing all disliked content as in former religious [[inquisition]]? We feel students only educated in mainstream, more and more. Thus they more and more seem to fanatically protect “their religion”. Only a little bit proved in related

In October of 2004, Korn released their greatest hits album, ''[[Greatest Hits, Volume 1 (Korn album)|Greatest Hits, Volume 1]]''. It featured two cover songs and a compilation of the band's hits from the past 10 years. The first single was a cover of the song "[[Word Up! (song)|Word Up!]]", which was originally made popular by the group [[(band)|Cameo]]. The album also featured a medley of all three parts of [[Pink Floyd]]'s "[[Another Brick in the Wall]]", and a remix of their hit single "[[Freak on a Leash]]". Special editions of the album includes a DVD titled ''Korn: Live at CBGB'' that features Korn playing live at CBGB in New York city.

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang#Philosophical_and_religious_interpretations WIKI Big-bang-section]]

showing how many religions support it incl. ‘’“[[Pope Pius XII]] was an enthusiastic proponent of the Big Bang”’’ for God's saying THERE WILL BE LIGHT - AND THERE WAS LIGHT... (no real joke: what about a new article [[Big bang religion]]?).

[[Feynman]]'s [[Cargo cult science]]

===Head's departure===

should become well-known for WIKIPEDIA as published in [[http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/02/CargoCult.pdf]] and we saw similar prior intentions of yourself.

In February [[2005]], [[Brian Welch|Brian "Head" Welch]] announced that he had "…chosen the Lord [[Jesus]] Christ as his savior, and would be dedicating his musical pursuits to that end",<ref name="www.mtv.com">{{cite web | title=www.mtv.com|work= MTV news article| url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497313/20050222/korn.jhtml?headlines=true}}</ref> and was formally leaving Korn. Initial speculations that this was a [[hoax]] or practical joke were proven wrong; he has turned highly spiritual, even being [[baptism|baptized]] in the [[Jordan River]] and speaking openly about his faith and conversion, especially on his website [http://www.headtochrist.com/]. Welch has also stated that his reason for leaving the band had to do with his daughter reciting obscene Korn lyrics and the fact that he was fighting an addiction to [[crystal meth]]. This was to be the band's first lineup change in their history. Welch's website was recently hacked and a post was made by someone posing as him saying he was going to come back to Korn but was confirmed by Jonathan as well as Welch as false. Welch has also said on his website (speaking about the guys in Korn) "I love those guys." A Korn reunion is unlikely even after such a statement.

Welch has decided to continue making music. His future album will contain Christian lyrics, but will not necessarily be a Christian album. Due for a July 2007 release, the name of his solo debut is called ''[[It's Time to See Religion Die]]''. Coincidentally, it is also the same month that Korn will release its yet untitled eighth studio album.

1. INTRODUCTION:

===''See You on the Other Side'', EMI (2005-2006)===

Upon completing their record deal with Sony Records, Korn partnered with [[EMI]] and signed to [[Virgin Records]]. As part of this innovative arrangement, EMI has paid Korn $25 million upfront in exchange for a share in the profits of their next two LPs, including tours and merchandising. EMI also received a 30 percent stake in the band's licensing, ticket sales and other revenue sources.

German Astronomical group, not perfect in English (with a little help understandable?), I am writer.

[[Image:Korn See You on the Other Side.jpg|right|thumb|180px|Korn's ''[[See You on the Other Side]]'']]

The band's first release for Virgin Records, ''[[See You on the Other Side]]'', was released on December 6, 2005, and debuted on #3 on the Billboard 200, representing the band's seventh Top 10 debut. The first single off the album, "[[Twisted Transistor]]", was accompanied by a comic video directed by [[Dave Meyers]] in which rap stars [[Xzibit]], [[Lil' Jon]], [[Snoop Dogg]], and [[David Banner]] portray Korn. The single itself peaked at #3 on [[Billboard]] [[Mainstream Rock Chart]], and at #9 on Billboard [[Modern Rock]] chart. The second single, "[[Coming Undone]]", peaked at #4 on Mainstream Rock Chart, and at #14 on Modern Rock Chart, and the video directed by [[Little X]] also received considerable video play. Korn also, for the first time has brought two singles from one album to [[Hot 100]] Chart. The album has sold over 2 million copies worldwide up to date, and went platinum in the U.S. on March 16. The album managed to stay in Top 100 of Billboard 200 chart for 34 straight weeks.

We saw: Well known engaged dissidents (some of them already gravely affected: see below), fight against [[mainstream]]-astronomy like against windmills feel/felt themselves finally permanently scanned in WIKI in order to revert each writing of them quasi automatically (meanwhile we and I myself personally feel already a bit similar). But this was not prior reason to be (still) anonymous. Our HP was cracked, redirected to “sexy sites”; administrator decided also dynamic IP.

On [[January 13]], [[2006]], Korn threw a giant party at the [[Hollywood Forever Cemetery]] announcing the See You on the Other Side World Tour. The first leg of tour, with [[10 Years]] and [[Mudvayne]], began on 24 February 2006 in their hometown [[Bakersfield]] and ended on 4th April in [[Toronto]]. The Australian part of the See You on the Other Side tour consisted of Korn, 10 Years, [[Hatebreed]], and [[Disturbed]]. The bands performed in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne on the 24th, 27th and 29th of April 2006 respectively. This marked the first time Korn visited Australia since their ''Take a Look in the Mirror'' tour in February of 2004. It was a general belief by all the bands involved that it had been "too long" since they had last visited Australia.

DEPRECIATIONS as Experienced: Wiki’s Physicians and Administrators disqualify famous alternative physics simply as no more valid because overruled by Big Bang. Their physicians depreciated consistently in WIKI different astronomical meanings. Even relating to the dissidents anyhow was reverted, partly called as “krank” physics.

Korn had also announced the resurrection of their "[http://www.familyvaluescrew.com/CDA5240F87574D8387EBDE8FEC733210/tracklink.asp?guid=E8EA19FA0D494452A5A707DCCBEB3E86 Family Values Tour]", which kicked off July 29, 2006 in Nashville, TN. The Family Values Tour featured Korn, [[Deftones]], [[Stone Sour]], [[Flyleaf]], [[Dir en grey]], [[10 Years]], [[Bury Your Dead]], [[Deadsy]], [[Bullets and Octane]], and [[Walls of Jericho]]. This was also the first Family Values Tour to have a second stage and to be in outdoor pavilions.

SOME DISSIDENTS's cites reverted with links to original papers of [[Halton Arp]], [[Geoffrey Burbidge]] and his wife, [[Ashmore]], [[Assis]]; but especially [[Fritz Zwicky]] seeming to have been the representative of the precedent [[Standard cosmology]].

In April, Jonathan Davis teamed up with the Atlanta [[crunk]] rap group [[Dem Franchize Boyz]] to record a [[mash-up]] of their latest hits "[[Coming Undone]]" and "[[Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It]]", which occurred due to both the groups being signed to [[Virgin Records]]. Before recording with Dem Franchize Boyz, the group was featured on "Wake Up", a track from [[The Notorious B.I.G.]] album [[Duets: The Final Chapter]].

Talk pages of 2 involved Admins were promptly cleared.

In 2006, Korn's "[[Freak on a Leash]]" appeared on a countdown of [[VH1]]'s "40 Greatest Metal Songs of All Time" at #23. They also charted on a user-based interactive list of the '''100 Greatest Videos of All Time''' in the UK magazine [[Kerrang!]] at number 10 with the same song. On May 6, Korn won a MTV Asia Video Music Award in the "Favourite Video" category for "[[Twisted Transistor]]", beating [[Green Day]], [[Kanye West]], [[My Chemical Romance]], and [[Franz Ferdinand (band)|Franz Ferdinand]]. The band also performed "Twisted Transistor" live in front of 5,000 people. Jonathan Davis also presented an award for favorite artist from China, Vicky Zhao.

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2. OBVIOUS FALSIFICATION OF HISTORY?

=== Jonathan Davis's illness ===

On [[June 12]], [[2006]], Davis was diagnosed with [[idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura]], a blood platelet disorder that hospitalized him for the weekend and prevented him from performing at the renowned [[Download Festival]]. The band still performed, with guest singers including [[Slipknot]]/[[Stone Sour]]'s [[Corey Taylor]], Stone Sour having playing earlier on the same day. This led to Korn canceling the rest of their European bill, including the [[Hellfest Summer Open Air]]. It was originally unknown to the public what his ailment was, but the singer revealed in a letter to fans that he was "dangerously low on blood platelets and at a high risk of death from a hemorrhage if the problem was not treated".<ref name="korn-locker.com">{{cite web | title=korn-locker.com|work= Statement about Jonathan Davis' health problems| url=http://v4.korn-locker.com/modules.php?=News&file=article&sid=691&mode=&order=0&thold=0}}</ref> His illness did not affect the 2006 Family Values Tour.

[[http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/108.pdf The Biblical Astronomer]]

===Recent history===

vol. 14, no 108, spring 2004, p.33: ‘’"Dr. [[Hubble]] never committed himself to the theory of the expanding universe"’’in a letter to Dr. R. A. Millikan, dated 15 May 1952, cited: ‘’“Personally I should agree with you that this hypothesis (tired light) is more simple and less irrational for all of us”’’ - see also http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/UNIVERSE/Universe.html.

On [[July 30]], [[2006]], a violent fight allegedly broke out in the mosh pit at the Family Values Tour in Atlanta, Georgia while [[Deftones]] were performing, resulting in the death of Andy Richardson, age 30, on [[August 1]], [[2006]]. Lawyers representing Mr. Richardson's family said they may pursue civil actions against Korn and the show's promoters. Mr. Richardson's mother, Gloria Richardson, said "It's not right that someone could go to a concert for a good time and wind up dead...There needs to be more security or they need to not have these concerts at all…", in a statement to Cox News Service made on August 1, 2006. One week later, a 24-year-old Michael Scott Axley was arrested and charged with Richardson's murder. Witnesses claim Axley punched Richardson, causing his head to hit the concrete floor, an injury that ultimately proved to be fatal.

Only one incredible but evident falsification of history – in WIKI permanent-ized for millions teachers, students, pupils an normal people – is, that [[Hubble]] proved Big bang. Many serious paper show the bare contrary, e.g.:

''[[See You on the Other Side]]'' was re-released as a [[chopped and screwed]] mix album titled "[[Chopped, Screwed, Live and Unglued]]", with live tracks, bonus DVD footage, and 8 album tracks chopped and screwed by DJ [[Michael 5000 Watts]].

Korn was the first band to be featured in MTV's return of their hit series MTV Unplugged. The band performed at the TRL studios to a select number of fans who won tickets from the band's street team or by other means. The performance was shown on MTV several times and was very highly rated, despite the fact that the fourteen song performance was cut down to nine for the airing. The performance was Korn's biggest production to date (despite it being the first without founding member David Silveria) and featured, among other things, backing guitars and vocals, double percussion, keys, cellos, upright basses, trombones, a musical saw, the glass harmonica, cimbassos, and Japanese taiko drums. This also marked the bands first time performance of [[Radiohead]]'s hit song "[[Creep (Radiohead song)|Creep]]", although [[Metallica]]'s "[[Master of Puppets]]" was also at one time planned. The performance was marked by an guest performance by the band [[The Cure]], and featured [[Evanescence]]'s [[Amy Lee]] doing guest vocals. A live album of the performance was released, featuring eleven of the fourteen songs played at the show, including a performance of "Love Song", previously unheard before the album's release, as well as the acoustic versions of "Got the Life" and "Falling Away from Me", among other songs. "Dirty" was also included in the performance, but was cut from the CD and the final airing of the show due to the bands disappointment with how severely MTV forced them to edit it. This album also was the first time the [[Korn's Back-Up Band|back-up band]] ([[Kalen Chase]], [[Rob Patterson]], [[Michael Jochum]], and [[Zac Baird]]) appeared on an actual CD, though they are still considered non-members and simply helped with the sound of the performance rather than contribute.

3. ZWICKY's FORMER MAINSTREAM ASTRONOMY

Korn have been confirmed to play festival dates in Norway ([[Norwegian Wood (music festival)|Norwegian Wood]]) and in Germany ([[Rock am Ring]]) in June 2007. The band has also been confirmed to play the massive [[Live Earth]] concerts on July 7th, 2007.<ref>http://www.therockradio.com/2007/03/korn-officially-confirmed-for-global.html</ref> Guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer told the [[Rock Radio]] why he thinks the concerts are important. "It's just to raise people's awareness about what's happening in global warming and try to do their part and whatever they can each day to reduce, you know, energy usage and gasoline usage on whatever level. I think if people are, if their awareness is raised and they're doing one or two things a day, each person, it could make a huge, huge difference."

Zwicky’s acknowledged astronomical theory, now depreciated (not only because a to him associated name [[Tired light]] coined by [[Richard Tolman]]) was:

Korn will also be appearing at the Download Festival, held at Donington Park England, over the weekend of June 8th, 9th, and 10th 2007, as well as headlining the [[Family Values Tour 2007]] starting on July 20th.

Photons have a [[relativistic mass]] by [[Planck physic]]s, – by Einstein predicted and himself calculated but not understood (well-known). Therefore photons with such a kind of mass must loose energy in any gravitational potential field. He considered a (in mean value) homogenous and isotropic [[potential field]] by homogenous distribution of charges of masses (all solids and interstellar gas considered ideally as equally distributed everywhere).

Recently, Korn has set up a mobile mob at Mozes.com to keep in contact with their fans through text messages directly from Korn and send out free Wallpapers each week for phones that support it, as well as having opened demands to play in cities requested by their fans.

Zwicky calculated at first - known by ancient physicians since about 1880- the potential from an arbitrarily chosen ZERO-point of distributed charges. For any growing distance this results in a consistently growing gravitational potential.

===Untitled (New Album)===

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In 1929 he wrote a famous alternative theory using the temporal differential of the potential field (called [[momentum]]) for a mass and finally for a photons in

In a recent interview, Korn's frontman Jonathan Davis said that there are 18 tracks ready for the next album, all of which were written in a month.

[[http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/15/10/773.pdf - F.Zwicky: On the Red Shift of Spectral Lines through Interstellar Space]] p.775ff. (mainly p.777).

Not a rather logic 3D-theory? Not needing an unimaginable 4D space! Confirmed even by Hubble himself, nearly everywhere quite falsely made researcher prooving grounds for Big bang.

:"I can't wait. I know it's gonna be insane. The band is really on fire and has some phat shit to record."

Davis had said in earlier interviews that he and guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer had both been writing new material while on the road in support of the band's last album, ''See You on the Other Side''. One of the first songs he wrote for the project—produced by pop trio [[The Matrix (music producer)|The Matrix]] (who gave the tracks they worked on a slight pop gloss) and [[Trent Reznor]] collaborator [[Atticus Ross]] (who added an industrial edge)—is called "Starting Over". "The chorus is 'I'm starting over and God's going to take me out.'"

4. MISUNDERSTANDING? LACK OF KNOWLEDGE? PHOTON’S "ZERO-MASS§

On "Evolution", Davis tackles global warming. "It's not like political [[Al Gore]] kind of bullshit," Davis says. "It's just me wondering, 'Are my kids' kids going to have a place to live?'"

* Our reminder to this is found in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Photon#Please_do_not_forget

In a Korn first, the band has added a keyboardist to the mix, which gives the songs a fuller sound. "I don't want to say this album is heavy, because that pisses off the band," Davis says. "It's still the Korn sound, just definitely more atmospheric. There's more depth to it."

* While in EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG photons (and gravitons) never have any mass, see e.g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Physical_properties ... the whole other scientific world knows and calculate with a called (photon’s and graviton’s) [[relativistic mass]] as postulated by Einstein himself, predicting thereby the [[Einstein effect]]s, especially [[gravitational redshift]]. Not only one here related GERMAN WIKI says about photons in its section MASSE in

In December 2006, David Silveria announced he was on hiatus from the band,<ref name="www.babbermouth.net">{{cite web | title=www.blabbermouth.net | work= Information about Silveria's hiatus | url=http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=63744}}</ref> and would not appear on Korn's upcoming album and tour. Davis on his blog also mentioned that the band had completed 8 songs for the upcoming, yet unnamed, 8th studio album, and stated that further recording processes will take place after New Year's Eve. He also stated that this album will not feature any of David Silveria's contributions and that the band will be having a fill-in drummer as long as Silveria stays on hiatus.<ref name="ButtSexCrips - Jonathan Davis' blog">{{cite web | title=www.buttsexcrips.com | work= Mention about progress on album, and about David's state | url=http://buttsexcrips.com/index.php?s=b78e1d0ec86cb491b33731a59e413e5b&automodule=blog&blogid=2&

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[[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Masse Photonenmasse]]

On January 7, 2007, Korn announced that drummer [[Terry Bozzio]] would replace David Silveria for at least one studio album and at least one tour.<ref name="Blabbermouth">{{cite web | title=www.blabbermouth.net | work= Article about Terry Bozzio | url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64863

explicitly mean, that and why real photons never can have a zero mass: "''Da die elektromagnetische Wechselwirkung jedoch eine unendliche Reichweite hat, zerfallen Photonen niemals und können daher keine Ruhemasse tragen... Die spezielle Relativitätstheorie hingegen verbietet nicht nur das Erreichen der Lichtgeschwindigkeit für jedwedes mit Ruhemasse behaftete Objekt, sondern liefert auch den direkten mathematischen Nachweis...''"

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* ESA = European Space Agency are certainly no stupids calculating satellites in space. They have learnt from the failure of [[Pioneer anomaly]] in http://arxiv.org/vc/gr-qc/papers/0603/0603032v1.pdf : ‘’"1. Introduction: It is well known that the mass of the photon and graviton in vacuum must be nonzero. The first limit is given by Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle 1 and the second by the measurement of the cosmological constant in our universe2-4."’’

The band's management has made the following statement: "They are currently writing and rehearsing with [Bozzio] and things are going well," emphasizing that Silveria is still Korn's official drummer, but added that, for the moment, "the band members aren't looking too far into the future."

Korn tentatively plans to release its eighth studio album on July 17th, according to Virgin Records. The group has been recording the disc with drummer Terry Bozzio as well as keyboardist Zac Baird and guitarist James "Munky" Shaffer said that Bozzio has taken Korn's music in a new direction. "It's a little less straightforward, I think, than what we're used to, and it's a lot more technical," he said. "I think it's probably more like a progressive Korn that people are gonna be used to. Very heavy though."

* http://www.math.uni-wuppertal.de/~scholz/preprints/pioneer_12_01_07.pdf ANOTHER LOOK AT THE PIONEER ANOMALY, Erhard Scholz Univ. Wuppertal claims that only a kind of Tired Light - called there “downscaling photons” - could solve [[Pioneer anomaly]] as mentioned e.g. in [http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0104064 Physical Review D 65:082004(0–50)].

It has since been confirmed by Zac Baird that Terry Bozzio has departed from Korn for reasons unknown. Korn's management later confirmed that Terry Bozzio has finished recording with Korn and would not tour with the band.<ref name="www.blabbermouth.net">{{cite web | title=www.blabbermouth.net | work= Information about Terry's departure | url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=70341 }}</ref> On April 19, 2007, it was announced that [[Slipknot (band)|Slipknot]] drummer [[Joey Jordison]] will fill in and tour with Korn for approximately 5 months.<ref name="Blabbermouth-jordison">{{cite web | title=www.blabbermouth.net | work= Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison to tour with Korn | url=http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=70864}}</ref>

and thousands others to be found not only in GOOGLE (nearly 10.000 only to ZWICKY TIRED LIGHT but a physics-Project WIKI-Admin meant he is more known for other things).

On April 27, 2007 Korn released "I Will Protect You" on their [[MySpace]] Page. Jonathan Davis has stated that it is not a single, but rather, just a taste of the new album. On May 17, 2007, Fieldy and Munky premiered the new single "[[Evolution (Korn song)|Evolution]]" on [[KROQ]] for the still-untitled 8th studio album. The song was added to Korn's Myspace later that night.

The release date for the new album, still untitled, is set for July 31, 2007.

5. QUANTUM PHYSICS ARE NOT UNDERSTANDABLE, INCL. WIKI-ADMINS!

Latest News Korn's new Album is called Untitled. Only 12 out of 18 tracks recorded will make the cut.

Not only “Einstein’s Spuk” (spooky physics) is proved now

"Untitled" is the follow-up to 2005's "See You On the Other Side," which has sold 1.2 million copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation Quantum-Teleportation]]

showing that [[Schrödinger]] and Planck were right (blasting General Relativity = GR?)

FEYNMAN, R.P. [1985] QED, The Strange Story of Light and Matter, Princeton University Press, describe [[Quantum mechanics]] the transmission of light through a transparent medium:

"We always wanted the atmospheres, and to really go deep," guitarist James "Munky' Shaffer says. "It wasn't until this record that we really felt comfortable to do that. As records progress, the urge to do that becomes greater. We feel like we've finally solidified ourselves in the rock world, and wanted to take this one a little deeper into that direction. It's less pop, and it's more experimental."

“''photons do nothing but go from one electron to another, and reflection and transmission are really the result of an electron'' (remark: mainly in molecules) ''picking up a photon, ”scratching its head”, so to speak, and emitting a new photon... What I’m going to tell you is what we teach our physics students in the third or year of graduate school... It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it…. You see my physics students don’t understand it that is because I don’t understand it. Nobody does.''"

WIKI-ADMINISTRATORS ELIMINATE WHAT THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND?

"Untitled" is also the final album Korn owes to Virgin, who it signed with in 2005 for $23 million upfront, according to Davis. In what amounted to a revenue-sharing deal, EMI acquired a 30% stake in Korn's overall business through 2010. "We're going to go out and tour this thing and we're hoping Virgin is going to want to do another deal with us," Davis says. "We have a good working relationship."

Obviously nobody of a large scale of physicians of WIKI PROJECT understood or know solutions of

===Next Family Values tour===

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativily

The new lineup for the 2007 [[Family Values tour]] will feature Droid, Neurosonic, [[Trivium]], [[Hellyeah]], [[Atreyu]], [[Flyleaf]], [[Evanescence]], and Korn.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_solutions : This article or section may be confusing or unclear for some readers.

Tickets go on sale April 28th. The tour will commence on July 20th in St. Louis and close out the summer on September 2nd in California.

And in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutions_of_the_Einstein_field_equations/ : This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject.

==Band members==

===Current members===

* [[Jonathan Davis]] - [[singer|vocals]], [[bagpipes]]

* [[Reginald Arvizu|Reginald "Fieldy" Arvizu]] - [[bass guitar]]

* [[James Shaffer|James "Munky" Shaffer]] - [[guitar]], [[backing vocalist|backing vocals]]

* [[David Silveria]] - [[drum kit|drums]] (on temporary hiatus)

Basic, well-known solutions were imposed by us in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solutions_of_the_Einstein_field_equations&oldid=142221128#Known_solutions , promptly reverted!

===Previous members===

* [[Brian Welch|Brian "Head" Welch]] - guitar, backing vocals (1993-2005; left the band in 2005 for spiritual reasons)

===Back-Up band===

{{mainarticle|Korn's Back-Up Band}}

6. OUR PHYSICIANS AND MEMBERS

The backing band only plays live shows with Korn. None of the members of the backing band are or never were official members of Korn. This is current line up of the back-up band.

* [[Joey Jordison]] - On April 19, 2007, Korn announced that Jordison is to tour with Korn for the 2007 Family Values Tour, including dates in Europe. Joey Jordison will also stand in as temporary drummer for European Festivals and the Family Values Tour.

* [[Zac Baird]] - [[keyboard instrument|keyboards]], recorded with Korn for their upcoming 8th studio record. He wore the horse mask during the 2006 [[Family Values Tour]] and the ''See You on the Other Side'' world tour.

* [[Kalen Chase]] - backing vocals, [[percussion instrument|percussion]], guitar. He wears a rabbit mask during live performances.

* [[Clint Lowery]] - guitar

* [[Michael Jochum]] - percussion. Wears a pig mask.

Until 2006 they mainly seemed to be - but now more and more "were" - [[Big bang]] fans.

In 2006 we met [[John Dobson]] and a French Professor in an Astronomical-Fair.

==Discography==

{{Main|Korn discography}}

Meanwhile we learnt quite drastically, that so-called Standard Cosmology is mainly not believed by normal people and that not only by above mentioned critics.

{| class="wikitable"

!align="left" valign="top" width="40"|Year

!align="left" valign="top"|Album

!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|[[Billboard 200|U.S.]]

!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|[[UK Albums Chart|UK]]''

!align="left" valign="top"|Label

!align="center" valign"top"|[[Recording Industry Association of America|RIAA cert.]]

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|1994

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Korn (album)|Korn]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|72

|align="center" valign="top"|

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/[[Epic Records]]

|align="center" valign="top"|2x Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|1996

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Life Is Peachy]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|3

|align="center" valign="top"|32

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/[[Epic Records]]

|align="center" valign="top"|2x Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|1998

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Follow the Leader (Korn album)|Follow the Leader]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|1

|align="center" valign="top"|5

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|5x Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|1999

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Issues (album)|Issues]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|1

|align="center" valign="top"|37

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|4x Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|2002

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Untouchables (album)|Untouchables]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|2

|align="center" valign="top"|4

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|2003

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Take a Look in the Mirror]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|9

|align="center" valign="top"|53

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|2004

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Greatest Hits, Volume 1 (Korn album)|Greatest Hits, Volume 1]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|4

|align="center" valign="top"|17

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|Platinum

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|2005

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[See You on the Other Side]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|3

|align="center" valign="top"|5

|align="left" valign="top"|[[Virgin Records]]/[[EMI]]

|align="center" valign="top"|2x Platinum

|-

|align="left" rowspan="2"|2006

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Live and Rare (Korn album)|Live and Rare]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|51

|align="center" valign="top"|9

|align="left" valign="top"|Immortal Records/Epic Records

|align="center" valign="top"|

|-

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Chopped, Screwed, Live and Unglued]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|

|align="center" valign="top"|

|align="left" valign="top"|Virgin Records/EMI

|align="center" valign="top"|

|-

|align="left" rowspan="2"|2007

|align="left" valign="top"|''[[MTV Unplugged: Korn]]''

|align="center" valign="top"|9

|align="center" valign="top"|6

|align="left" valign="top"|Virgin Records/EMI

|align="center" valign="top"|

|}

Korn's 8th Studio album is now titled "Untitled" and will officially be released July 31, 2007. Their new single called "Evolution" has been playing all over radio stations in the US.

[[Non-standard cosmologies]] and [[Tired light]] are made tendencious also as invalid, as non-cosmology, etc.

==Influence on other artists==

KoЯn, over the years, has influenced a number of artists, including:

*'''[[Evanescence]]''' ([[Little Rock]] based [[alternative rock]] band) - mainly their female vocalist - [[Amy Lee]] who cited "[[Untouchables (album)|Untouchables]]" as one of her all-time favourite albums.<ref name="Amazon">{{cite web| url= http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/R10MRN4HGOG4Z0 | title= Amy Lee's favourite albums list| accessdate= January 24| accessyear= 2007}}</ref> Evanescence also played a cover of "[[Thoughtless]]" during their live performances through 2004, the cover is also featured on [[Evanescence]]'s 2004 live CD/DVD [[Anywhere But Home]]. Amy Lee also joined Korn and sang in duet with [[Jonathan Davis]] in an unplugged rendition of "[[Freak on a Leash]]", which is featured on the "[[MTV Unplugged: Korn]]" album.

*'''[[Slipknot (band)|Slipknot]]''' ([[Des Moines, Iowa]] based band with 9 masked members) - guitarists Mick and Jim play down-tuned guitars directly influenced by Munky and Head. The members of Slipknot have stated that their debut album, [[Slipknot (album)|Slipknot]], was directly influenced by Korn.<ref name="Slipknot Metal">{{cite web| url= http://www.slipknot-metal.com/main.php?sk=quotes | title= Slipknot Quotes| accessdate= March 23| accessyear= 2007}}</ref>.

*'''[[Sepultura]]''' ([[Brazilian]] [[thrash metal]]/[[groove metal]] band) - the band's last release with first lead singer, rhythm guitarist and founder - [[Max Cavalera]], "[[Roots (album)|Roots]]" from [[1996]] was produced by [[Ross Robinson]] (who produced Korn's self-titled album in [[1994]]) in Indigo Ranch Studios (the same studio Korn used for recording their eponymous debut album) and features strong [[nu-metal]], and [[alternative metal]] influences<ref name="All Music Guide">{{cite web| url= http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:2pbyxdabool0 | title= All Music Guide review - Sepultura "Roots"| accessdate= January 24| accessyear= 2007}}</ref> as well as guest appearances by [[David Silveria]] on drums, and [[Jonathan Davis]] on guest vocals.

*'''[[Staind]]''' ([[Springfield, Massachusetts|Springfield]] based alternative metal band) - frontman, [[Aaron Lewis]] cited the band's [[Korn (album)|eponymous album]], and [[Jonathan Davis]]' emotional attitude as one of his biggest influences.<ref name="KSN">{{cite web| url= http://www.korn.simpol.net/index.php?misc=search&subaction=showfull&id=1132685467&archive=&cnshow=news&start_from=&x=0&y=0

| title= Interview with Aaron Lewis| accessdate= January 24| accessyear= 2007}}</ref>

We enhanced [[Fritz Zwicky]] in 2 months from a stub. formerly nowhere found, to a now top found article in MNS and ALTAVISTA searching ("our") WIKIPEDIA article for TIRED LIGHT: second, forth, in Goolge a (anyhow redirected) older WIKI-copy in 14th.

KoRn and its members have also worked with several other artists, including:

*[[Skindred]] - Skindred singer Benji sang A.D.I.D.A.S. with KoRn at the Download Festival 2006 when Jonathan Davis had health problems

*[[The Cure]] - (mashed an acoustic version of their song "In Between Days with their own song "Make Me Bad")

*[[Faith No More]] Mike Bordin filled in for David Silveria on several occasions during the touring for KoRn's Issues album

*[[Sepultura]] - (Jonathan Davis is featured on the song "Lookaway" as well as David Silveria featured on the song "Ratamahatta")

*[[Ice Cube]] - He is featured on KoRn's song "Children Of The KoRn"; Munky and Brian "Head" Welch appeared on Ice Cube's "Fuck Dying"

*[[The Pharcyde]] - Tre Hardsen of the group is on KoRn's track "Cameltosis"

*[[Nas]] - featured on KoRn's song "Play Me"

*[[Marilyn Manson]] - sings on "[[Redeemer]]" which is written by Jonathan Davis and features Munky and Brian "Head" Welch on guitars

*[[The Notorious B.I.G.]] - KoRn is featured on his song "Wake Up Now"

*[[Deftones]] - Chino Moreno of the group sings with Jonathan on KoRn's cover of "Wicked"

*[[Cold]] - Jonathan Davis appeared in the video for "Give"

*[[RBX]] - Brian "Head" Welch, Fieldy, Munky and David Silveria created the beat for the RBX song "Ruff E'Nuff"

*[[Mack 10]] - Brian "Head" Welch, Fieldy, Munky and David Silveria created the beat for the Mack 10 song "Should I Stay or Should I Go" (which also features [[Ice Cube]])

*[[Deadsy]] - Jonathan Davis sings on the Deadsy songs "Sleepy Hollow" and "The Key To Grammercy Park"

*[[Xzibit]] - KoRn and Xzibit covered the song "Fight The Power" together; "Year 2000 (remix)", which Jonathan Davis provides vocals and Fieldy plays bass.

*[[Snot]] - Jonathan Davis sang on the Snot song "Take It Back"

*[[Limp Bizkit]] - Jonathan Davis sang on the Limp Bizkit song "Nobody Like You" and Fred Durst sang on the KoRn song "All in the Family"

*[[Orgy (band)|Orgy]] - Jonathan Davis sang on the Orgy song "Revival" and Jay Gordon sang on the song "Slept So Long" which features Head and Munky on guitar

*[[Videodrone]] - Jonathan Davis sang on the Videodrone song "Ty Jonathan Down" and Brian "Head" Welch played guitar for the Videodrone song "Power Tools For Girls"

*[[Static-X]] - Wayne Static sang on the song "Not Meant For Me" which features Munky and Brian "Head" Welch on guitars

*[[Chester Bennington ]] - Chester Bennington sang on the song "System" which features Brian "Head" Welch and Munky on guitars. Chester has also recorded a cover of the Nine Inch Nails hit "Head Like A Hole" with Korn but the song has not yet been released.

*[[Linkin Park]] - Jonathan helped Linkin Park with a remix of their [[Hybrid Theory]] song "[[One Step Closer (Linkin Park song)|One Step Closer]]" called 1stp Klosr. With Jonathan, the song was heavier than the original with more melodic sounds.

*[[Q-Tip (rapper)|Q-Tip]] - KoRn is featured on his song "End Of Time"

*[[Disturbed]] - David Draiman sang on the song "Forsaken" which has Munky and Head on guitar

*[[Marz]] - Jonathan Davis sings on Marz's song "Cut Throat"

*[[Stone Sour]] - Corey Taylor has sang "Freak on a Leash" with KoRn several times

*[[Dem Franchize Boyz]] KoRn and Dem Franchize Boyz did a mash up together titled "Coming Undone Wit It"

*[[Erik Friedlander]] Erik Friedlander of the bands Topaz and Chimara provided Cello work for KoRn's MTV Unplugged performance

*[[Lordz Of Brooklyn]] - Brian "Head" Welch and Fieldy produce a remix of the song "White TRash"

*[[Seether]] frontman [[Shaun Morgan]] was formerly in a Korn tribute band.

MYSELF:

==See also==

I am our club’s writer also no more sufficiently perfect in English (with a little help understandable?).

* [[Family Values Tour]]

* [[Korn's Groovy Pirate Ghost Mystery]], an episode of ''[[South Park]]''

* [[Korn (Awards And Nominations)|List of awards and nominations]]

[[Halton Arp]] praised article's content of section TIRED LIGHT's but not the Englisch, [[Assis]] wished us good luck for our (well-known:) desperate fight...

==References==

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^ Korn-Turkey.net - Korn Web Source

Please apologize our faults and to involve you personally but we mean that [[objectivy]] is your sense.

==External links==

* [http://www.korn.com/ Official website]

* [http://www.myspace.com/korn Korn's Official Myspace]

* [http://ilike.com/artist/Korn/most_played_songs Korn - Most played songs] - full discography and sound clips

wfc-k (IP see above) [[User:84.158.210.237|84.158.210.237]] 13:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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:Dear sir or madam, I have restored your edit but be aware that this lengthy comment is not appropriate in the least bit for this talk page. Also it seems that your grammar and spelling suffer at certain points. While I do not mean this as an insult, such problems can lead to a misinterpretation of your intent. Please consider moving your comments to a more appropriate venue (like your talk page for instance). Thank you--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 14:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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:Consider also enlisting a translator and posting at [[WP:PHYS]]. I cannot promise that they will appreciate such a long comment but perhaps you could pare it down to some key points. They certainly would be more well equipped to handle your concern.--[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]^{[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]} 14:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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:: You are right, we are Germans as mentioned, my personal English certainly (after too many years) worse than the German language, as [[User:Jimbo Wales]] has learnt (recently?).

[[be-x-old:KoЯn]]

As you will see, the matter (I hope understood by clear links) is a rather serious one for WIKIPEDIA.

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