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In [[Greek mythology]], '''Typhon''' ([[ancient Greek]]: {{polytonic|Τυφῶν}}), also '''Typhoeus''' ({{polytonic|Τυφωεύς}}), '''Typhaon''' ({{polytonic|Τυφάων}}) or '''Typhus''' ({{polytonic|Τυφώς}}) is the final son of [[Gaia (mythology)|Gaia]], with [[Tartarus]]; Typhon attempts to replace Zeus as the king of gods and men. [[Hesiod]] narrates his birth:

Someone who knows about this stuff please check if my recent edits (in totality; one of them was clearly wrong, but I've fixed it) are correct... it's my understanding that "single action" only requires manual cocking of the hammer for the first shot, so I've tried to make that explicit. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 00:31, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:''But when Zeus had driven the [[Titan (mythology)|Titans]] from heaven,

:''mother Earth bare her youngest child Typhoeus of the love of

:''Tartarus, by the aid of golden [[Aphrodite]].'' &mdash;Hesiod, ''[[Theogony]]'' 820-822.

In the alternative account of the origin of Typhaon, the [[Homeric Hymn]] to [[Apollo]] makes the monster Typhaon at [[Delphi]] a son of archaic [[Hera]] in her [[Eteocretan language|Minoan form]], produced out of herself, like a monstrous version of [[Hephaestus]], and whelped in a cave in [[Cilicia]] and confined there in the enigmatic land of the Arimi&mdash; ''en Arimois'' (''[[Iliad]]'', ii. 781-783). It was in Cilicia that Zeus battled with the ancient monster and overcame him, in a more complicated story: It was not an easy battle, and Typhon temporarily overcame Zeus, cut the "sinews" from him and left him in the "leather sack", the ''korukos'' that is the etymological origin of the ''korukion atron'', the Korykian or [[Corycian Cave]] in which Zeus suffers temporary eclipse as if in the Land of the Dead. The region of Cilicia in southeastern [[Anatolia]] had many opportunities for coastal Hellenes' connection with the [[Hittites]] to the north. From the first reappearance of the Hittite myth of [[Illuyankas]], it has been seen as a prototype of the battle of Zeus and Typhon.<ref>W. Porzig, "Illuyankas und Typhon", ''Kleinasiatische Forschung'' I.3 (1930) pp 379-86.</ref> [[Walter Burkert]] and [[Calvert Watkins]] each note the close agreements. Watkins' ''How to Kill a Dragon: Aspects of Indo-European Poetics'' (Oxford University Press) 1995, reconstructs in disciplined detail the flexible [[Indo-European]] poetic formula that underlies myth, epic and magical charm texts of the lashing and binding of Typhon.

The inveterate enemy of the [[Twelve Olympians|Olympian gods]] is described in detail by Hesiod<ref>''[[Theogony]]'' 820-868</ref> as a vast grisly monster with a [[Multi-headed animal|hundred snakelike heads]] "with dark flickering tongues" flashing fire from their eyes and a din of voices and a hundred [[Serpent (symbolism)|serpents]] issuing from his thighs, a feature shared by many primal monsters of Greek myth that extend in serpentine or scaly coils from the waist down. The titanic struggle created earthquakes and [[tsunami]]s.<ref>"The whole earth seethed, and sky and sea: and the long waves raged along the beaches round and about, at the rush of the deathless gods: and there arose an endless shaking." (Hesiod, ''Theogony'').</ref> Once conquered by [[Zeus]]' thunderbolts, Typhon was cast into Tartarus, the common destiny of many such archaic adversaries, or he was confined beneath [[Mount Aetna]] ([[Pindar]], ''Pythian Ode'' 1.19 - 20; [[Aeschylus]], ''Prometheus Bound'' 370). where "his bed scratches and goads the whole length of his back stretched out against it," or in other [[Volcano|volcanic]] regions, where he is the cause of eruptions.

Shouldn't this article be at [[semi-automatic pistol]]? Semi-automatic is used more than semiautomatic is used more than self-loading is used more than selfloading. [[User:Ergbert|Ergbert]] 03:08, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Typhon is thus the [[chthonic]] figuration of volcanic forces, as Hephaestus (Roman [[Vulcan (god)|Vulcan]]) is their "civilized" Olympian manifestation. Amongst his children by [[Echidna (mythology)|Echidna]] are [[Cerberus]], the serpent-like [[Lernaean Hydra]], the [[Chimera (creature)|Chimera]], the hundred-headed dragon [[Dragons in Greek mythology|Ladon]], the half-woman half-lion [[Sphinx]], the two-headed wolf [[Orthus]], [[Ethon]] the eagle who tormented [[Prometheus]], and the [[Nemean Lion]].

Typhon is also the father of hot dangerous [[anemoi|storm winds]] which issue forth from the stormy pit of Tartarus, according to Hesiod.

Yes, I moved it back to '''semi-automatic pistol''' from '''self-loading pistol'''. It was at semi-automatic to start with anyways. Self-loading is technically correct but not common usage, therefore a mistake for the wikipedia. [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] 12:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

His name is apparently derived from the [[Greek language|Greek]] "typhein", to smoke, hence it is considered to be a possible [[etymology]] for the word ''[[typhoon]],'' supposedly borrowed by the [[Persians]] (as طوفان ''Tufân'') and [[Arab]]s to describe the [[Cyclone|cyclonic storms]] of the [[Indian Ocean]]. The Greeks also frequently represented him as a storm-daemon, especially in the version where he stole Zeus's thunderbolts and wrecked the earth with storms (cf. Hesiod, Theogony; Nonnus, Dionysiaca).

Self-loading and semi-automatic can be two different things. To the lay person semi-automatic just mean a shot for each pull of trigger, and does not actually imply self-loading. In technical usage, semi-automatic pistol implies both being automatic and having automatic loading, but this is a technical meaning. Self-loading pistols is less problematic as it implies being automatic, though, again technically this may not be the case. [[User:Ve3|Ve3]] 20:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Since [[Herodotus]], Typhon has been identified with the Egyptian [[Set (mythology)|Set]] ([[interpretatio Graeca]]). In the [[Orphic]] tradition, Typhon leads the Titans when they attack and kill [[Dionysus]], just as [[Set (mythology)|Set]] is responsible for the murder of [[Osiris]]. Furthermore, the slaying of Typhon by Zeus is analogous to the killing of [[Vritra]] by [[Indra]] (also a lightning deity), and two stories likely are ultimately derived from a common Indo-European myth.

I've never heard semi-automatic used to refer to non-fully-automatic, non-self-loading firearms. IMO this article is best at semi-automatic pistol -- a short and convenient name that I think nearly everyone will understand and that will create little confusion. [[User:Ergbert|Ergbert]] 03:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

==In popular culture==

Have tried to pull this article together into a coherent package over the last few weeks. Hopefully, the different pieces fit better, and the pictures also help explain the differences. [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 06:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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*Typhon is the two-headed tyrant of Urth in [[Gene Wolfe]]'s ''[[Book of the New Sun]]''—who built the [[generation ship]] ''Whorl'' in ''[[Book of the Long Sun]]'' and is referred to there as Pas.

*Typhon is the main "villain" in the mythology-based computer action-[[RPG]] ''[[Titan Quest]]''.

*In the [[Playstation]] game '[['Final Fantasy VII]]'', Typhon is the name of an optional summon. Portrayed as a purple creature with a head at each end. Typhon unleashes a strong breath that creates a whirlwind causing wind damage to all enemies.

*In the [[Playstation 2]] game ''[[God of War II]]'', Typhon is portrayed as a wind-blowing [[Titan (mythology)|Titan]], immobile in a cave-like lair, on an island. The main character, [[Kratos]], makes his way up to Typhon's eye, and attacks it, ultimately pulling out its magic, a bow-and-arrow-like weapon, called Typhon's Bane.

*In ''[[Hercules: The Legendary Journeys]]'', Typhon, played by [[Glenn Shadix]], is Echidna's doting husband and is a cheerful giant. He was trapped in stone until Hercules freed him.

*Typhon is the name of a song by the metal band [[Therion]]

*Typhon is the name of a line of locomotive horns manufactured by the Leslie Company, formerly of Parsippany, NJ.

*Typhon is the name of a character who seems to be a demon in Dean Koontz's book "The Face."

*Typhon is the name of a character from warhammer 40,000 before the Horus Heresy. After which the Choas god Nurgle renamed him Typhus and gifted him the Destroyer Plague, an infestation of insect that pour from inside of him blotting out the sun and getting in Typhus's enemies.

==Notes==

: You're making progress, but reading the whole thing from scratch... it still needs cleanup. I'm not going to tag it as such, but we should probably start bouncing some ideas about it around on the discussion page here. [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] 08:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

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:: OK. Have done some more cleanup, and we should probably discuss where to go from here. Ideas??? [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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:::Nothing widespread/organizational jumping out at me right now, but I want to re-read and comment over the weekend when I have more time. One specific thing that I did notice (not general, just specific point) is that the description of how single action semi auto pistols can get the hammer cocked back needs to get a bit clearer; if I rack the slide on any of these pistols, the hammer stays cocked. The current description makes that sound like a special only-some-do-it feature, which is wrong... [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] 22:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

*[[Walter Burkert]], ''Greek Religion'' 1985

*[[Robert Graves]], ''The Greek Myths'', (1955) 1960, §36.1-3

*[[Karl Kerenyi]], ''The Gods of the Greeks'' 1951

*[[Calvert Watkins]], ''How to Kill a Dragon'' 1995, 448-459

==External links==

Question: if you drop an SA half-cocked pistol on the hammer, will it still discharge? I know the 1911 does, and maybe an edit could be useful here.

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:Sometimes. But not usually or always. It depends on the handgun. The grip on the M1911A1 would also usually have to be depressed at the same time, through hitting something, for it to discharge. (Hence the reason for this being a non-approved carry mode.) Unless you are left-handed, and find yourself in combat, I wouldn't recommend it :-) [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 04:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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Forgive an ignorant Brit, but what does this mean:

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"Normal carry mode for DAO semi-automatic pistols is..."

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Is it the approved method, or is it statistically the most common method?[[User:BlaiseFEgan|Blaise]] 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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::It is statistically the most common method. Double-action-only (DAO) semi-automatic pistols operate essentially the same as double-action revolvers. They have long trigger pulls, which serves to increase the safety of carrying the pistol, and as long as the trigger is covered in a concealed carry holster in one's pocket, or in a visible holster in open carry jurisdictions, there is no danger of the gun being fired accidentally. [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 04:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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These discussions of "normal carry" should be deleted.

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1. They are not safe, I guess the good thing about this is that handguns are the only type of weapons it is easier to shoot yourself than somebody else.

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2. They are biased--other safer carry options are not given, i.e. military style round not chambered, safety on.

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An overview or expansion of the technical operation would better fit the purpose of the page.

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::I disagree; the discussions of normal carry should be maintained. As for safety, the purpose of a gun is that it is inherently dangerous; otherwise, it serves no purpose if the pistol can't fire bullets quickly when necessary and needed. As for the specifics of safe military-style pistol carry, that depends on the era. During WW I, WW II, Korea, and Vietnam, the normal US military carry method for a M1911 was cocked and locked by MPs and others. Similarly, US police departments that still carry the M1911 likewise carry it cocked and locked. As for your suggestions for safer carry options, military-style, it is only modern military techniques (e.g., so-called "Israeli carry", where pistols are carried with no rounds chambered) that your "safer carry options" are used, and these are largely politically-driven, and are not widely practiced in most parts of the US. It is entirely valid to expand the article to contain these other normal carry techniques for a more global viewpoint, but we should not delete the current US dominant viewpoint that exists for normal US [[CCW]] carry discussions. As for expanding technical details, I definitely think this is worth considering, too. Why don't you add these other details? [[User:Yaf|Yaf]] 04:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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We have way too many pictures of the actual pistols and no technical ones. Not many people are going to read through the entire overview this way. [[User:-Slash-|{<span style="color:green">Slash</span>]][[Special:Contributions/-Slash-|-|-]][[User talk:-Slash-|<span style="color:red">Talk</span>}]] 23:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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== Carrying a SA pistol ==

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You can't carry a 1911 with the hammer down and a round in the chamber. It's possible but stupid since a 1911 doesn't have any decocking mechanism so you're slowly letting down the hammer right onto the firing pin which is touching a cartridge. The only way a single action pistol can be carried like this is if it has a decocking lever, ie. a Sig220. And even then, if you're carrying the pistol in case you have to use it, you don't carry a pistol without a round in the chamber, and likewise, you can't expect to have the time to draw the pistol, cock the hammer, and fire. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/74.111.151.244|74.111.151.244]] ([[User talk:74.111.151.244|talk]]) 22:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

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:The 1911 hammer has a half-cocked position. It doesn't rest against the firing pin. Lots of people carry a 1911 with the hammer down. What you say about thumb-cocking before firing is true, but that's a personal preference, not a saftey issue. ''—[[User:Thernlund|Thernlund]] ^{([[User talk:Thernlund|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thernlund|Contribs]])}'' 20:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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