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In [[Greek mythology]], '''Typhon''' ([[ancient Greek]]: {{polytonic|Τυφῶν}}), also '''Typhoeus''' ({{polytonic|Τυφωεύς}}), '''Typhaon''' ({{polytonic|Τυφάων}}) or '''Typhus''' ({{polytonic|Τυφώς}}) is the final son of [[Gaia (mythology)|Gaia]], with [[Tartarus]]; Typhon attempts to replace Zeus as the king of gods and men. [[Hesiod]] narrates his birth:
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:''But when Zeus had driven the [[Titan (mythology)|Titans]] from heaven,
:''mother Earth bare her youngest child Typhoeus of the love of
:''Tartarus, by the aid of golden [[Aphrodite]].'' —Hesiod, ''[[Theogony]]'' 820-822.
In the alternative account of the origin of Typhaon, the [[Homeric Hymn]] to [[Apollo]] makes the monster Typhaon at [[Delphi]] a son of archaic [[Hera]] in her [[Eteocretan language|Minoan form]], produced out of herself, like a monstrous version of [[Hephaestus]], and whelped in a cave in [[Cilicia]] and confined there in the enigmatic land of the Arimi— ''en Arimois'' (''[[Iliad]]'', ii. 781-783). It was in Cilicia that Zeus battled with the ancient monster and overcame him, in a more complicated story: It was not an easy battle, and Typhon temporarily overcame Zeus, cut the "sinews" from him and left him in the "leather sack", the ''korukos'' that is the etymological origin of the ''korukion atron'', the Korykian or [[Corycian Cave]] in which Zeus suffers temporary eclipse as if in the Land of the Dead. The region of Cilicia in southeastern [[Anatolia]] had many opportunities for coastal Hellenes' connection with the [[Hittites]] to the north. From the first reappearance of the Hittite myth of [[Illuyankas]], it has been seen as a prototype of the battle of Zeus and Typhon.<ref>W. Porzig, "Illuyankas und Typhon", ''Kleinasiatische Forschung'' I.3 (1930) pp 379-86.</ref> [[Walter Burkert]] and [[Calvert Watkins]] each note the close agreements. Watkins' ''How to Kill a Dragon: Aspects of Indo-European Poetics'' (Oxford University Press) 1995, reconstructs in disciplined detail the flexible [[Indo-European]] poetic formula that underlies myth, epic and magical charm texts of the lashing and binding of Typhon.
The inveterate enemy of the [[Twelve Olympians|Olympian gods]] is described in detail by Hesiod<ref>''[[Theogony]]'' 820-868</ref> as a vast grisly monster with a [[Multi-headed animal|hundred snakelike heads]] "with dark flickering tongues" flashing fire from their eyes and a din of voices and a hundred [[Serpent (symbolism)|serpents]] issuing from his thighs, a feature shared by many primal monsters of Greek myth that extend in serpentine or scaly coils from the waist down. The titanic struggle created earthquakes and [[tsunami]]s.<ref>"The whole earth seethed, and sky and sea: and the long waves raged along the beaches round and about, at the rush of the deathless gods: and there arose an endless shaking." (Hesiod, ''Theogony'').</ref> Once conquered by [[Zeus]]' thunderbolts, Typhon was cast into Tartarus, the common destiny of many such archaic adversaries, or he was confined beneath [[Mount Aetna]] ([[Pindar]], ''Pythian Ode'' 1.19 - 20; [[Aeschylus]], ''Prometheus Bound'' 370). where "his bed scratches and goads the whole length of his back stretched out against it," or in other [[Volcano|volcanic]] regions, where he is the cause of eruptions.
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Typhon is thus the [[chthonic]] figuration of volcanic forces, as Hephaestus (Roman [[Vulcan (god)|Vulcan]]) is their "civilized" Olympian manifestation. Amongst his children by [[Echidna (mythology)|Echidna]] are [[Cerberus]], the serpent-like [[Lernaean Hydra]], the [[Chimera (creature)|Chimera]], the hundred-headed dragon [[Dragons in Greek mythology|Ladon]], the half-woman half-lion [[Sphinx]], the two-headed wolf [[Orthus]], [[Ethon]] the eagle who tormented [[Prometheus]], and the [[Nemean Lion]].
Typhon is also the father of hot dangerous [[anemoi|storm winds]] which issue forth from the stormy pit of Tartarus, according to Hesiod.
==Redwoods==
Hi Emerson - I'm assuming you mean at the list of US State Trees? If that's the one, it is because California has two state trees, ''Sequoia sempervirens'' and ''Sequoiadendron giganteum'' jointly, so plural is the correct tense to use in this instance. Hope this helps! - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 19:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
His name is apparently derived from the [[Greek language|Greek]] "typhein", to smoke, hence it is considered to be a possible [[etymology]] for the word ''[[typhoon]],'' supposedly borrowed by the [[Persians]] (as طوفان ''Tufân'') and [[Arab]]s to describe the [[Cyclone|cyclonic storms]] of the [[Indian Ocean]]. The Greeks also frequently represented him as a storm-daemon, especially in the version where he stole Zeus's thunderbolts and wrecked the earth with storms (cf. Hesiod, Theogony; Nonnus, Dionysiaca).
== Ultrafark? ==
Since [[Herodotus]], Typhon has been identified with the Egyptian [[Set (mythology)|Set]] ([[interpretatio Graeca]]). In the [[Orphic]] tradition, Typhon leads the Titans when they attack and kill [[Dionysus]], just as [[Set (mythology)|Set]] is responsible for the murder of [[Osiris]]. Furthermore, the slaying of Typhon by Zeus is analogous to the killing of [[Vritra]] by [[Indra]] (also a lightning deity), and two stories likely are ultimately derived from a common Indo-European myth.
Why does this NEED to be disproven in an article, and where is the verifiable external reference for it in the first place? Neither was given, so out it went. --[[User:JohnDBuell|JohnDBuell]] 02:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
==In popular culture==
:If it is indeed a [[meme]], along the lines of "Tinywar does not exist," (a quotation used by MUDders to refer to a MUD/chat client program that did/does in fact exist, but it became a running joke to deny it), then it should be presented as a recurring theme/meme, with proper referencing from the board (link to a post or two), and not just put in the description/introduction, which would confuse a reader not familiar with the joke. --[[User:JohnDBuell|JohnDBuell]] 03:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
{{Trivia|date=June 2007}}
*Typhon is the two-headed tyrant of Urth in [[Gene Wolfe]]'s ''[[Book of the New Sun]]''—who built the [[generation ship]] ''Whorl'' in ''[[Book of the Long Sun]]'' and is referred to there as Pas.
*Typhon is the main "villain" in the mythology-based computer action-[[RPG]] ''[[Titan Quest]]''.
*In the [[Playstation]] game '[['Final Fantasy VII]]'', Typhon is the name of an optional summon. Portrayed as a purple creature with a head at each end. Typhon unleashes a strong breath that creates a whirlwind causing wind damage to all enemies.
*In the [[Playstation 2]] game ''[[God of War II]]'', Typhon is portrayed as a wind-blowing [[Titan (mythology)|Titan]], immobile in a cave-like lair, on an island. The main character, [[Kratos]], makes his way up to Typhon's eye, and attacks it, ultimately pulling out its magic, a bow-and-arrow-like weapon, called Typhon's Bane.
*In ''[[Hercules: The Legendary Journeys]]'', Typhon, played by [[Glenn Shadix]], is Echidna's doting husband and is a cheerful giant. He was trapped in stone until Hercules freed him.
*Typhon is the name of a song by the metal band [[Therion]]
*Typhon is the name of a line of locomotive horns manufactured by the Leslie Company, formerly of Parsippany, NJ.
*Typhon is the name of a character who seems to be a demon in Dean Koontz's book "The Face."
*Typhon is the name of a character from warhammer 40,000 before the Horus Heresy. After which the Choas god Nurgle renamed him Typhus and gifted him the Destroyer Plague, an infestation of insect that pour from inside of him blotting out the sun and getting in Typhus's enemies.
== Plant stem Notes==
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[[Image:Rheum rhabarbarum.2006-04-27.uellue.jpg|thumb|have a look on that petioles, they are the continuation of the leaves. Stem in botanical sense means that selforganising, evergrowing structure, which holds them only.]]
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While you had wonderfull idea to add some pictures in to the article of plant stem, which can make it much more accessible and ilustrating to the readers, I would like to ask you if there was some specific intention in the adding the Rhubarb leaves? I would'nt ask you if I would be completely doubting about it, but this image does'nt fit to me over there. That implies, that those leaves have anything more in common with stem than that they are sticking on one. Shortly: it is IMHO missleading. On the other hand, the adding of asparagus was such a great idea (I fear that such idea woud'nt come over my mind) as they are a nice example of commercially used stems never, that in outcome I wonder if I did overlook anything in the case of rhubarb. Maybe the Asparagus stems would be nicer leading picture. What do you thing about it? {{User:Reo On/sig}} 12:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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:Hi Emerson, thanks a lot for your quick response :). But that is the case with rhubarb image, that the picture does'nt contein the factual [[plant stem]]s. Those are '''''[[petiole]]s''''' or you may call them '''''leafstalks''''', but the stem is plant [[Organ (anatomy)|organ]] of diferent [[ontogeny|ontogenetical]] origin and of different physiological function for plant. Regrettably there is so little progres as regards the articles about plant anatomy in Wikipedia! Apparently, someone else had the same intent as me, :) but he did'nt ask and insted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plant_stem&diff=89012084&oldid=88970743 ..] I hope that you are not upset from this dissent. I think it would be nice job to find other great candidat than just the stems of Asparagus and place them in the head of the article. I will try. Have a nice time with Wikipedia! With regards {{User:Reo On/sig}} 18:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
==References==
==[[Jane Alexander]]==
*[[Walter Burkert]], ''Greek Religion'' 1985
In cleaning up the article, I inadvertently omitted the succession boxes you had added. It was an honest mistake I will rectify now. Sorry! (I am going to leave the infobox deleted. It contains nothing not found in the body of the article and merely adds clutter. Thanks!)[[User:SFTVLGUY2|SFTVLGUY2]] 13:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*[[Robert Graves]], ''The Greek Myths'', (1955) 1960, §36.1-3
*[[Karl Kerenyi]], ''The Gods of the Greeks'' 1951
*[[Calvert Watkins]], ''How to Kill a Dragon'' 1995, 448-459
==External links==
== Compacting references on [[Saparmurat Niyazov]] ==
* [http://www.theoi.com/Gigante/Typhoeus.html Typhoeus at Theoi]compiled sources of myth in classical literature
[[Category:Greek mythology]]
Why are you compacting the reference templates on this article? It makes it much more clear when editing the reference itself if the separate parameters to the template are on different lines. --[[User:Dgies|Dgies]] 19:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:Greek legendary creatures]]
:it is not really my intent to compact. i was actually 'correcting' the ref data. i don't really have a preference either way (compacted/expanded) but i just thought it would be easier for some if the ref text was inline with text of the article, and expanded in lists. plus, i'm working with a template and it's faster to do them all the same, and fix the layout later since there are currently so many 'edits per minute'. --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 21:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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:: OK, I did not notice that. I '''did''' notice that the template formatting was all compacted, which made it hard to read. --[[User:Dgies|Dgies]] 21:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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== Saddam RV ==
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Sorry, I missed the previous reference to the video. Thought I had something new to contribute.
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I'm new and simply missed the video link. Sorry.
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[[User:Jaskemr|Jaskemr]] 21:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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Your revert was in order. I simply missed it. I try to be fair and cite sources. I simply missed this one.
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My fault. Perhaps a more prominent link to the video? Not sure. I missed it and read the section. Perhaps I'm not the only one. Anyways, no offense taken to the revert. My fault as stated above. Hope to work with you on future articles.
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== [[Aaron Copland]] ==
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Wow! Nice job! The article looks much cleaner and nicer! Thanks for your work on it! -- <span style="background-color: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> ([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</span></span> 05:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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:Awesome! BTW, have you considered joining the [[WP:LGBT|LGBT WikiProject]]? Stop on by and take a look around, and if you're interested, [[WP:LGBT/Members|sign up]] - we'd love to have your participation! -- <span style="background-color: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> ([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</span></span> 06:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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== El Rancho ==
[[pl:Tyfon]]
The reason these were included is that are multiple hotel/motels and schools that have used this name. The ones with redlinks do not have articles so it is important to note this so that other users are not confused. If I am wrong and they really do have articles under a different name, that the entry should remain with a link to the correct name. That's the main reason for a redirect, alternate names or misspellings. Since this is a dab page, that principal still applies. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] 19:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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== Vladimir Horowitz ==
[[fi:Tyfon]]
Nice job on the updates. Thanks for your help![[User:THD3|THD3]] 02:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[[sv:Tyfon (mytologisk varelse)]]
[[th:ไทฟอน]]
I reverted your latest edit to [[Vladimir Horowitz]]. Your edit makes it sound as if Horowitz was under the influence after 1985. He was not. The medications were started in 1981 and discontinued in 1983.[[User:THD3|THD3]] 01:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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You're right. The paragraph in question is in very poor condition. It has probably been edited to death. I will attempt a complete rewrite.[[User:THD3|THD3]] 16:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I have rewritten the paragraph. Do you have any ideas for a better photo at the top of the article? The 1985 picture now in use is God-awful.[[User:THD3|THD3]] 22:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
== Anthony Clark ==
Why did you revert the changes I made to Anthony Clark's entry? There is no evidence he is gay or atleast that he has come out of the closet on any reputable website. This is akin to someone adding gay categories to Tom Cruise or Clay Aiken's entrys. And if you check, the person who added the gay categories to Anthony Clark's page was a known vandal who has since been blocked. I've removed the categories again, and if you have a problem with it, please discuss on Anthony's talk page. -[[User:CelticJobber|CJ]] 21:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, all I wanted was a good reference for proof. Thanks!
-[[User:CelticJobber|CJ]] 22:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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==Edits fixed==
I made some edits to 2 paragraphs and several dates [[Leonard Bernstein]] and you reverted them. I had a look to find out why, and realized that I had added brackets to a couple of unnecessary dates. I have restored the correct edits (but not the superfluous brackets). In future you might consider either (a) correcting only the errors without reverting the entire edit, or (b) informing the user who has made the mistake. Thanks —[[User:SaxTeacher|SaxTeacher]] [[User talk:SaxTeacher|<small>(talk)</small>]] 00:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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:OMG, have you seen ''Relax, it's just sex''? You're the only other person besides me that seems to have seen it! I loved that scene with Diego and Dwight where they're having sex to classical music and talking about what they're going to bring to the church barbecue. Brilliant. Sorry, I don't meet a lot of people who watch the films I watch. :) [[User:Dev920|Dev920]] (Have a nice day!) 10:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
== Jacqueline du Pre ==
Please stop correcting the Jacqueline du Pre page! It was I who made significant additions to the page a few months ago (albeit anonymously). At first I did make grammatical errors, but now they are in order. 'At the age of four' makes more sense for the flow of the article than 'at age four'.
And regarding the instrument, the 1673 should not be italicised, as it is not the name of the instrument. That is why I wrote 'an instrument made in 1673'.
I have done much research regarding du Pre, so please leave the page alone. Thank you very much
== [[Ernest Emerson]] ==
I'll ask that you kindly leave comments on the article's talk page. Issues of notability have been met. Just because an article is about a man and his company does not make it advertising.
Article is rated as a Good article and is undergoing review as a Featured Article Candidate.
Thank You.
--[[User:Mike Searson|Mike Searson]] 04:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Gay_Men%27s_Chorus SFGMC] ==
Thank you for the excellent updates and new block on the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus article. It seems you have culled some facts from the SFGMC website (and from GMCLA's website as Bruce Mayhall is their conductor, not SFGMC's). SFGMC's website is out-of-date, hence my revisions. FYI, SFGMC's new website will be launched in March. Thanks again, MusicMen 01:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:I would be grateful if you would clarify the tag you added today. You tagged the article for "external links clean up". Each of the eight referenced links in the article relate specifically to the content, so I'm confused about the reason for the tag. However, if the tag is related to the "References" list at the end of the article (which are not linked to the article), that would make sense. I will remove many of these as they relate to content that has since been deleted from the article. MusicMen 19:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:you left me a note about images, which i don't fully understand. sorry if i'm being daft, but could please explain further? thanks for your help. MusicMen 05:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:thanks for your response, advice and encouragement :-) MusicMen 00:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:Saw your note about too many links, so now I'm confused. I thought you suggested that the list of references should be incorporated into the article as relevant links, which is what I have done. Are you saying that I've provided too much evidence of fact? MusicMen 23:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:I see you're editing currently, so I'll leave it alone for a while. If you delete references, could you please save them somewhere? I don't necessarily have all of these listed elsewhere. Thanks. MusicMen 00:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I have submitted the article for Jump-a-Class. Perhaps ambitious, but seeing as I've done so much work in such a short time (since the B-Class rating was issued), I thought I'd give it a shot. I'm in the process of collecting old newspaper archives to further reference some of the factual information and I plan to incorporate the remaining few dangling references. Do you have any suggestions for what else I might do? Thanks. MusicMen 22:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
== [[Bandini (1963 film)]] / [[Bandini (film 1963)]] ==
Hi. I didn't do the copy and paste move. I saw two identical pages and I took the one with the improper name and redirected it to the properly named article. I didn't check the history in the process since I wasn't deleting either page. If you think it's more proper you can request that that [[Bandini (1963 film)]] be deleted and then [[Bandini (film 1963)]] be moved to its title. [[User:Grenavitar|gren]] [[User talk:Grenavitar|グレン]] 00:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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== [[Gay News]] ==
Hi,
I see you reverted my edit to this article. I can't say I'm particularly bothered either way whether "GB£" is blue-inked or not. I just feel it was unnecessary. In my view it's not necessary to have any in depth knowledge of the currency in question to understand the Gay News article.
I'm assuming that pound sterling is a sufficiently well known currency to allow the reader to understand the article without having to research the currency further.
Anyway as I said I'm not particularly bothered either way in this case so I'm happy to leave it as it is.
[[User:Jules1975|Jules1975]] 10:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
== [[Cher]] Infobox formatting ==
I have a few discrepencied with your reversion of my edits to the infobox in the [[Cher]] article.
*Sonny Bono should not be included as a past member, since that field is for groups only.
*Vocalist is an occupation or role, not an instrument, whereas vocals is cited as a singer's instrument on albums.
*The list of occupations and genres are not sentences which means the first member of the list should have the same capitalization as the following members, not capitalize the first member and lowercase the following. Also, the lists should be organized by level of significance or notability, not alphabetically.
Please let me know your thoughts on the above formatting issues. - [[User:Cgilbert76|cgilbert]]<sup>([[User_talk:Cgilbert76|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cgilbert76|contribs]])</sup> 06:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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:thanks for taking the time to leave a note...it's rarely done, and i admit i should do it more often. that said...the parameters have already been lain for this infobox, i couldn't disagree with you more on your interpretation.
:*Sonny and Cher were ''indeed'' a group. in fact there were others with them, particularly in the earlier days. When they broke up, they both continued their music careers...one of 'em was a lot more successful as it turns out.
:*whereas the the term ''vocalist'' might not be the best descriptor, the template gives guidelines on what should go there. based on the guidelines, the voice is the instrument, which sorta makes sense once you think about it.
:*though not ''proper'' sentence, it is non-the-less a sentence, as well as a list. guidelines for lists require that they be ''alphabetical'' or ''chronological''. anything with regard to significance or notability is wildly subjective and therefore not appropriate per [[WP:NPOV]].
:take a peek at [[Template:Infobox musical artist]]. the article there gives guidance and examples of formatting. cheers. --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 08:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your take on the formatting. I did find that the Mariah Carey example listed her occupations with the first capitalized and the rest lowercase, however, notice that singer is listed before record producer, which is listed before actress. I also know that Sonny and Cher were a group, and the [[Sonny and Cher]] article lists both Sonny and Cher as former members. Cher, however, is not a group, and it is not proper to say that Sonny was a former member of Cher. His musical association with Cher was limited to the Sonny and Cher group, which is the only place where his former membership should be included. On [[Neil Young]]'s article, you don't see [[Stephen Stills]] listed as a former member, even though the two had a duo at one point. - [[User:Cgilbert76|cgilbert]]<sup>([[User_talk:Cgilbert76|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cgilbert76|contribs]])</sup> 16:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
== Your Hyphen on [[Lily Tomlin]]'s page ==
Well, if "it's not a typo" as you say, then it's simply '''improper punctuation'''. There is no reason to have a trailing, dangling hyphen after the word "Tony" in that sentence as you wrote it:
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"Tony'''-''' and Emmy Award-winning"
</blockquote>
"Tony Award" would not have a hyphen in between the words, if not separated by "and Emmy Award". The hyphen is properly used here: "Award-winning". Think about it again. Find another example or '''your''' usage to back it up, if you still think that's proper.--<span style="color:green">[[User:Brian Hamilton|MrEguy]] | [[User talk:Brian Hamilton |♠♥♣♦]]</span> 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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At the risk of be overly pedantic, hyphens are joiners that link words to avoid ambiguity or to form a single idea from two or more words. When actually, broken down, the sentence should properly read: '''"Tony Award-winning, and Emmy Award-winning..."''' I think we both agree what an awkward sentence that makes. So...we omit words to make a better flow. The hyphen behind "Tony" links it to "Award", hence we 'should' have something akin to "'''Tony- and Emmy-Award...'''" showing that Tony and Emmy are being linked with Award.
You are correct, "Tony- and Emmy Award-winning..." is ''indeed'' incorrect. The correct phrase should read: "'''Tony- and Emmy-Award-winning...'''" --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 23:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for your response. I do realize this is not a terribly big deal. Just for clarity's sake: What you described in the last sentence above is not what I was meaning. Here's what I believe to be '''correct''' usage:
1.) Tony and Emmy Award-winning.
2.) Tony and Emmy Award winning.
Here's what I believe to be '''incorrect''' usage:
1.) Tony- and Emmy-Award winning.
2.) Tony- and Emmy-Award-winning.
The only place a hyphen is properly used in this instance is between Award and winning, thusly, ''Award-winning'' and it's optional. Maybe someone else could offer their opinion. This is making me dizzy :)--<span style="color:green">[[User:Brian Hamilton|MrEguy]] | [[User talk:Brian Hamilton |♠♥♣♦]]</span> 02:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
oddly enough i didnt even do that, and someone actually hacked into my account, i am changing my pw.. sorry for the inconvience..
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:With respect, i submit 1.) Tony and Emmy Award-winning. 2.) Tony and Emmy Award winning. are wrong on both accounts. 'How wrong' is but a trifling matter. For reference, check out google for 'suspensive hypenation.' --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 19:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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*Can you show me other examples of '''your usage'''? I found none on Wikipedia. Here are a few examples I found to support my viewpoint.
See [[Cynthia Nixon]]'s page ''Tony and Emmy Award-winning''<br />
and [[Tony Walton]]'s page ''Tony and Emmy-winning''<br />
again here [[Deaths in July 2006]] ''Tony and Emmy Award-winning''<br />
No hyphens are used here.<br />
[[Shenandoah Apple Blossom Festival]] - ''Tony and Emmy Award winning''<br />
[[Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra]] - ''Tony and Emmy Award winning''<br />
[[Pacific Palisades, Los Angeles, California]] - ''Tony and Emmy Award winning''<br />
Other examples.<br />
[[List of Poles]] - ''Oscar and Emmy Award winning''<br />
[[List of University of California, Los Angeles people]] - ''Oscar and Emmy Award winning''<br />
[[Paul Jabara]] - ''Oscar and Grammy Award-winning''
<br />--<span style="color:green">[[User:Brian Hamilton|MrEguy]] | [[User talk:Brian Hamilton |♠♥♣♦]]</span> 21:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, I just happened upon this discussion, but I agree with emerson7. The hyphen in award-winning isn't optional, and the phrase should be "Tony- and Emmy-Award-winning". And what's used in Wikipedia articles most often probably isn't the best source for what is right grammatically. :) --[[User:Galaxiaad|Galaxiaad]] 06:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
==[[Spencer Tracy]]==
I researched and put the academy award nominations neatly into the infobox, but you deleted it. I was just wondering why, since it is seen in that format on other actors' pages. [[User:Supertigerman|Supertigerman]] 01:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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Dear Sir,
Was the problem with my edit to the Star Trek page that I didn't cite my text?
If I cite the text next time will it be ok?
Yours sincerely,
Carrotcheese.
== [[John Cage]] ==
In response to the following from [[User_talk:Cgilbert76#John_Cage|my talk page]]:
i know what you mean by changing the place of birth, but i don't believe your interpretation of [[Template:Infobox_musical_artist#Fields]] is correct. i think we need to get solid clarification on exactly what the '''origin field''' is to represent. --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 22:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:I'm just following the format as per the field notes and the [[Template:Infobox_musical_artist#Sample_template|sample of Mariah Carey]]. I would be in favor though of having more input from somebody with more experience from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Arts_and_entertainment/Musicians|WP:Musicians]]. Maybe [[User:Heaven%27s_Wrath|Heaven's Wrath]] can help us out. - [[User:Cgilbert76|cgilbert]]<sup>([[User_talk:Cgilbert76|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cgilbert76|contribs]])</sup> 22:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
== Ira Glass ==
I understand why you reverted my placing of the city into the date of birth sentence, because although it is widespread in usage, the Manual of Style shows that the correct format is just the date. But is there a particular reason you're being really gung-ho about reverting "born" back to "b."? "Born" is more grammatically appropriate. [[User:NickBurns|NickBurns]] 06:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
==Actor infoboxes in general==
Is the silver color used for dead people, and the yellow for living? [[User:Supertigerman|Supertigerman]] 01:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== List of billionaires (2006) ==
Reason stated in the change description. --[[User:Orangysb|wil osb]] 02:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Again reason stated in why the revert, you wanna revert, fine, at least get the facts correct for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet's net worth. --[[User:Orangysb|wil osb]] 06:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== unbelievable ==
Please do not write specific criticisms of my editing on my talk page, it is shallow and pedantic [[User:Pags182|Pags182]] 04:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:the text is not mine...it is transcluded from template. --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 05:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== Re. List of billionaires (2006) ==
Sorry, when protecting articles, admins will lock on the current version, not on the "right" or "wrong" version. Choosing a version where to lock is to directly involve in the dispute and admins who do this may not protect the article afterwards according to the protection policy. Protection does not endorse the current version of the article though. Now it's time to try to reach a consensus with the other users involved in the dispute, by requesting them to join a civil discussion on the talk page. Once an agreement has been made, the article shall be unprotected. If the other party refuses to talk, then it's legitimate to unprotect and revert to a previous version. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 18:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:Heh, it was a typical response but not a canned response. I did notice the vandalism, but since the edit war was there, I had to upgrade to full protection.--<strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 18:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::Oh well, if the war is over I'll just downgrade to semi-protection. Easy. :-) --<strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 18:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== Very biased editting, disappointing ==
who jackbooted the Raymond Burr content, Goebbels? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/24.225.183.159|24.225.183.159]] ([[User talk:24.225.183.159|talk]]) 15:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
As much as it may annoy you, Carlos Slim Helu is Lebanese and frequents his native country every few months. Refrain from vandalizing the page if you will.Emбargo 20:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
== Re: Summer of My German Soldier (Television film) ==
To answer your first question, page names generally should [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Prefer spelled-out phrases to abbreviations|avoid abbreviations]]. As for citing sources for a movie synopsis, everything should be [[WP:CITE|cited]] if possible. [[User:Pyrospirit|<font color="green">Pyrospirit</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Pyrospirit|<font color="red">Flames</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<font color="orange">Fire</font>]]</sup> 23:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps it should be moved to [[Summer of My German Soldier (TV film)]]? Also, if you think it has enough sources, go ahead and remove the tag. [[User:Pyrospirit|<font color="green">Pyrospirit</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Pyrospirit|<font color="red">Flames</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<font color="orange">Fire</font>]]</sup> 00:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
==Pee Wee Herman==
[[Wikipedia:Lead section]] states:
"The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context...and briefly describing its notable controversies"
That is why I am adding that part. The lead in this article also needs more info on his general career which I will add later today. I am just trying to improve this articles lead section.[[User:Hoponpop69|Hoponpop69]] 23:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
--[[User:202.164.195.56|202.164.195.56]] 01:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
== queen latifah ==
hey, your reversion to my queen latifah edits might have been wrong. i was not vandalising the page at all. it needs sources.
cheers --[[User:202.164.195.56|202.164.195.56]] 01:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)mike
== Dispute on JonBenet Ramsey's article ==
Before reverting again, read the talk page for what I wrote. [[User:1ne|1ne]] 05:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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I'm not quite sure why you reverted my revert. Mrs. Slocombe always said "My" not "Me", and I cannot understand you reason for revert my edit to clarify that? --[[User:Berks105|Berks105]] 20:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:I'd disagree on "often", but regardless she '''usually''' says "My" and thats what is important. --[[User:Berks105|Berks105]] 20:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
::If she did use it regulary <small>(I don't think once is enough, but nevermind)</small/> then it would be best to insert both "My pussy" and "Me pussy".--[[User:Berks105|Berks105]] 20:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
== [[Jean Harlow]] - unsourced claim ==
Hi. I'm new to Wikipedia, and just getting a feel for how things work, but I don't understand why you reverted a change I made to the Jean Harlow article.
My change was to improve (I think!) the readability of a sentence: It had the awkward construction "when she began to attend school, ... she did not learn until then" ("when" and "until then" serve the same purpose) and unnecessary phrases "a private school" (with a name like Miss Barstow's Finishing School for Girls, it'd have to be) and "with other children" (well, it's a finishing school for girls, so of course).
You reverted this change, calling it an unsourced claim, but it's exactly the same claim that was there before (except, I guess, that it doesn't explicitly claim the school is private and had multiple students). Should it be flagged as "citation needed?"
I apologize if the nature of my change wasn't clear--I know I forgot to include an edit summary.
Thanks --[[User:Eostrom|Eostrom]] 18:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
== Vandalism ==
I saw that you had warned the person at the following IP about vandalism recently, and I just wanted to let you know that it's happened again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:130.194.13.103 Tonight, he vandalized the following page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lasvegas.terra.1500pix.jpg Just letting you know. Thanks! <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/70.157.47.150|70.157.47.150]] ([[User talk:70.157.47.150|talk]]) 01:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
== Vallejo, CA revision ==
Can you please explain what I did wrong in my revision to the Vallejo article? I want to learn better what is or is not allowed. Thank you.
Brad (EntirelyBS).
== Vallejo, CA - edits ==
ok, understood. but instead of simply removing the section (reverting), can the links simply be taken out of the new content? Or is it now for me to do as my next step (putting them back in but without the links). Thanks, Brad. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Entirelybs|Entirelybs]] ([[User talk:Entirelybs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Entirelybs|contribs]]) 16:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
== Seattle Men's Chorus article - where is it? ==
I added a link to the [[Seattle Men's Chorus]] on an article, and it came up red and didn't connect. I can only get to the SMC page now via cached links. Has the article been deleted? MusicMen 16:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
are you arguing the validity of the change I made? or the change itself?
:please clarify - what change? MusicMen 01:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
== George Szell - flags ==
Could you please respond to my question on "[[Talk:George Szell]]" re use of flag icons? couldn't find the policy you referred to in the edit summary. thanks much[[User:Mjplant|Mjplant]] 16:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
== List of Billionaires edit ==
Hello,
Thank you for your concern in following my actions on the list of billionaires edit. The only reason I entered in blank text to the page was that someone had put "your mom..." as one of one of the worlds top billionaires. I merely removed it. No vandalism intended. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/63.166.13.195|63.166.13.195]] ([[User talk:63.166.13.195|talk]]) 20:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
== Esther Rolle ==
We clash again. I restored the image request into the infobox on this article, but in my very humble opinion, that no-image image is very aesthetically ugly. [[User:NickBurns|NickBurns]] 20:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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