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To the original author of this article: It is a sad fact that Wikipedia articles don't quote their sources, especially when they deal with controversial political events. It goes without saying that the Romanians who will read this article will be skeptical about it and will doubt of its truth. (Many people in Romania consider Antonescu as a national hero and are reluctant to admit any Romanian responsibility for the Holocaust). I am ready to admit that they are not guilty for this, they just lack knowledge.

This article says "General Ion Antonescu ordered from Bucharest that for every killed Romanian and German officer, 200 Jews and Communists were to be killed, and for every soldier, 100 were to be executed. All the Communists were to be imprisoned and one person was to be taken hostage from every Jewish family".

'''''Rozen Maiden''''' is an [[anime]] series by TBS based on the [[manga]] by [[PEACH-PIT]]. It deals obliquely with the pressures placed on children in Japan by telling the story of a student, Jun Sakurada, who cracked under the strain. The series chronicles Jun's reluctant mental recovery through experiences with the Rozen Maiden, a series of enchanted dolls with a mysterious purpose.

My question is: if this is a historically undisputable fact, why is not the order issued by Antonescu scanned and put on the internet, so that no one should doubt about the atrocities ordered by Antonescu? I think that there is such an order, written on a piece of paper which was preserved after the fall of Antonescu regime and was probably used at his trial against him. If it could be made available to any person interested, then it would be impossible for any person with a minimal moral conscience to consider Antonescu as a positive hero.

The ''Rozen Maiden'' is a collection of dolls created by a craftsman known only as "Father". Their primary source of power is a human host -- a "medium" -- that wears a ring to symbolize their bond with the doll. Each Rozen Maiden has her own distinct personality, guardian spirit, and supernatural ability. Their purpose is apparently their participation in the cryptic "Alice Game", a lethal competition that promises the winner the right to meet "Father" by becoming "Alice", a being that is supposedly the incarnation of perfect femininity. The game is played through duels in which the dolls fight using both their guardian spirits and respective abilities -- such as the manipulation of strawberry vines -- as well as the spiritual energy from their medium. The doll that loses the duel loses her "Rosa Mystica", the very thing that endows her with the ability to move, thus becoming "junk". The lost Rosa Mystica is then collected and absorbed by the duel's winner. The doll that gains all of her sisters' Rosa Mysticae will become Alice. Shinku, the central doll of the series, is notable in that while she does not refuse to fight, she does refuse to take the lost power and kill a sister.

So:

The manga currently has 5 volumes in print.

(1) is there such a document written/signed by Antonescu?

(2) can it be scanned and made available online?

And - obviously - if there is not such a document, what is the evidence for the claim made in the Wikipedia article? laurian {{unsigned|84.109.154.227}}

''Rozen Maiden'''s first season consists of twelve episodes that aired between October and December 2004.

''Rozen Maiden ~Träumend~'' will also consist of twelve episodes that began airing on October 20 2005.

== restoring traditional title ==

== Story ==

Please do not move articles to controversial names without consensus. I did not see a discussion regarding the move to [[Odessa Holocaust]], therefore I am restoring the long-standing name. If there are going to be other articles named [[Odessa massacre]], then we could discuss [[WP:DISAMBIG]]. Perhaps [[Odessa massacre (Holocaust)]] or some such would be appropriate, but I dislike parentheses in titles. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] ^{[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]} 03:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

=== Rozen Maiden ===

==Odessa Holocaust==

The first season of Rozen Maiden focuses primarily on the psychological rehabilitation of Jun Sakurada. He is a boy that, for reasons unknown, is terrified of the prospect of attending school, socializing, or even stepping outside. He only wishes to spend his days locked in the safety of his room and ordering items from the internet. However, through a strange order form, he finds himself in possession of an enchanted doll that calls herself "Shinku, the fifth Rozen Maiden". Much to Jun's displeasure, Shinku calls on him to create a strange bond with her, and the socially disinclined boy winds up being her "servant". The series follows the two of them as they encounter more Rozen Maiden, dolls that for the most part seem to want nothing more than to drink tea, destroy windows, and draw on his floor with crayon. In this season, five dolls are introduced: Shinku, Hinaichigo, Suigintou, Suiseiseki, and Souseiseki. Suigintou is the primary villain.

Hi! There is nothing too wrong in titling [[Odessa massacre]], but the very name of event historically is reffered to the masssacre that occured in [[Odessa]] in 1905 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battleship_Potemkin#Arrival_in_Odessa]. So, it could be more correct to call the extermination of Jews traditionaly a Holocaust to avoid any misunderstanding of the title. Truly, [[User:Paganel|Paganel]] 18:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

=== Rozen Maiden ~Träumend~ ===

: As in other similar cases in WP, I think it would be proper to reserve the title [[Odessa massacre]] for the most famous/infamous one and have [[WP:REDIRECT]]s and [[WP:DISAMBIGUATION]]s for other tragedies that scholarly sources may refer to as "Odessa massacre". Perhaps the best name for this one would be [[Odessa massacre (Holocaust)]] or [[Odessa massacre (1941)]]. In general, [[The Holocaust]] (Ha-Shoah) is a common name for the [[genocide]] of European Jews, therefore I don't think [[Odessa Holocaust]] is an encyclopedic title. Right now it is a redirect to [[Odessa massacre]]. Thanks. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] ^{[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]} 20:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The second season of Rozen Maiden has a slightly darker tone. The episodes have been more plot-driven and deal with topics such as "Father", the Rozen Maiden's creator, and the inevitable ending of the "Alice Game". Jun does not yet attend school, but happily goes outside, and seems to have even grown fond of the ever-present dolls. Shinku is mentally scarred from the events of the previous season, but she is generally as aristocrat-like as ever. Several new non-doll characters have been introduced, including a riddle-spouting rabbit wearing a tux and a top hat and two mysterious men that operate a doll shop, one of which bears an unnatural resemblance to "Father". The final two dolls are introduced in this season: Kanaria and Barasuishou. Barasuishou is the primary villain.

== Characters ==

:: Right You are. But it can be called Holocaust in Odessa, like [[Holocaust in Poland]], [[Holocaust in Romania]], [[Holocaust in Estonia]]. But the word Holocaust must be present, firstly, to avoid double meaning (The Odessa Massacre of 1905). And it really was a Holocaust and not an abstract massacre! So, the "Odessa massacre (Holocaust)", proposed by You, or "Odessa Holocaust Massacre" or, as it was, "Odessa Holocaust" or "Holocaust in Odessa" would be a nice title for the redirection, because this word must be present. What is your opinion? Very often I pass along the mass graves of it, and I know that a massacre is something caotic, but in Odessa it was not like this, it was a very well organized process of extermination. Truly, [[User:Paganel|Paganel]] 22:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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::: Let's continue the discussion here. I am copying the above from our talk pages over here and requesting more opinions from [[Talk:The Holocaust]]''. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] ^{[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]} 22:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

'''Jun Sakurada''' is an arrogant but traumatized boy who lives a hermit's existence in his room. His hobby is ordering things from the Internet and then returning them before he has to pay. He is also interested in cars and collects minaturized ones. When he unknowingly orders Shinku, one of the Rozen maidens, and winds her up, he becomes caught in the crossfire of the Alice Game -- particularly due to Shinku declaring him her "servant" and insisting that he obey her at all times. Jun is quite intelligent, but does not go to school after cracking under the pressure of entrance exams. He is skilled at crafts and sewing. His psychological condition is known as [[hikikomori]] in Japanese.

'''Nori Sakurada''' is Jun's older sister and caretaker, as their parents are out of the country on business and apparently unaware of Jun's plight. She is kind and gentle, but takes the brunt of Jun's abuse and criticism -- Shinku constantly provides Nori with advice on everything from proper tea-brewing to Jun's care. She is very fond of the dolls who seem to be constantly arriving in their house.

'''Tomoe Kashiwaba''' is a girl who attends Jun's former school. She was originally Hinaichigo's medium, but the bond between them was broken when Hinaichigo drew on too much of Tomoe's energy and was defeated by Shinku. Currently, she aids Jun in his dealings with the Rozen Maiden. Tomoe desperately wishes for Jun to return to school.

'''Yamamoto''' is a boy in Nori's class who is continually trying to confess his love to her, only to be interrupted by wild coincidences or unfortunate happenings, many of which are (unintentionally) caused by the dolls. Nori is blissfully unaware of his existence.

'''Shirosaki''' is a doll shop's salesperson.

'''Enju''' is a doll craftsman and runs a doll shop together with his friend Shirosaki.

'''Micchan''' is Kanaria's doting medium.

=== The Rozen Maiden ===

The First Doll<br>

'''Suigintou''' (Mercury Lamp) seemingly the most powerful of the Rozen Maiden, is obsessed with winning the Alice Game and becoming "Alice" solely to fulfill her ultimate dream of meeting "Father". She's particularly focused on destroying Shinku, her rival. Suigintou has no inhibitions with the Alice Game -- she will use any available method to win. Her emotions and will are so enduring that she can move and fight without the aid of a medium. Suigintou uses both her black wings and their feathers as weapons. "Meimei" is her guardian spirit.

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Tanaka Rie.

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The Second Doll<br>

'''Kanaria''' (Canary) is just as adorable as she is eccentric. She seems to fancy herself as quite the stealthy prowler, and makes a hobby out of watching the exploits of her sisters. Canaria has a bright, somewhat arrogant disposition that compliments Hinaichigo rather nicely.

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Shimura Yumi

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The Third Doll<br>

'''Suiseiseki''' (Jade Stone) is the fourth doll to make an appearance. She has a watering can which she uses to nourish the "soul trees" of humans. She is, in a word, devious. Suiseiseki adores the spotlight; her favorite activities include smashing the window of Jun's room (more often than not hitting Jun in the process), stealing cake from Hinaichigo, and cackling maniacally. However small it may be, she does have a heart, and can always be relied on for that extra boost in battle. She and Jun seem to be incapable of being civil with each other, however, and Suiseiseki even refuses to call him by name, opting for "runt" instead. She also has a wild imagination and a penchant for sharing her terrifying theories with Hinaichigo. Her guardian spirit is "Suidream". (Note: "Sui no dream" is not correct. All names of guardian spirits are named after perfumes.) <br>'''Seiyuu:''' Kuwatani Natsuko.

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The Fourth Doll<br>

'''Souseiseki''' (Lapis Lazuli Stone) is Suiseiseki's younger "twin sister", although her appearance is somewhat masculine. Like Suiseiseki, she has the power to enter human dreams, and carries a set of pruning shears that she uses to tend human soul trees. Unlike Suiseiseki, she's calm, quiet and deeply devoted to their "Master" -- a lonesome old man -- even though he is using Souseiseki as a vehicle to play out delusions about his dead son. Her guardian spirit is "Lempika".

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Morinaga Rika.

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The Fifth Doll<br>

'''Shinku''' (True Red) embodies the traditional aristocrat. She is extremely demanding and can seem unappreciative of others. Her favorite words seem to be "tea" and "servant", and she takes pride in lecturing (or slapping) him at every opportunity. No matter how strong the emotion, Shinku rarely lets her sadness, joy, or fear become apparent. No matter how cold her disposition, however, she is highly protective and cares deeply for her doll sisters, Jun, and Nori. She holds a very special place in her heart for the puppet detective "Kunkun". Shinku is in awe of "Father" -- she also desires to fulfill the position of "Alice" -- but refuses to employ the more ruthless methods of playing the "Alice Game". In battle, she fights with rose-based attacks. Her guardian spirit is "Holi".

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Sawashiro Miyuki.

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The Sixth Doll<br>

'''Hinaichigo''' (Small Strawberry) has perfected childishness. Although she can be ridiculously naive and selfish, Hinaichigo never has anything but the best intentions for those that she cares about. Her disposition is also a mismatch for her tremendous power, which is a series of attacks based on strawberry vines. Shinku defeats her (through Hinaichigo's own selfishness by exhausting Tomoe's energy) in the Alice Game but does not rob her of her ability to move. Instead, she allows Hinaichigo to tap into Jun's power. Her favorite foods are "Unyu", which are actually strawberry [[daifuku]], and Nori's "Flower Hamburger", a dish that consists of a hamburger patty topped with a flower-shaped egg. Hinaichigo's guardian spirit is "Berrybell", but this spirit does not seem to appear in the anime series.

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Nogawa Sakura.

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The Seventh Doll<br>

'''Barasuishou''' (Rose Crystal) is a doll clad in lavender that seems to lack any sort of personality or conscience. She fights with a disturbing calmness, and seems to draw upon a great amount of power. Her appearance announces the true start of the Alice Game, as she is the final doll of the Rozen Maiden. Barasuishou can manipulate and create any sort of crystalline elements, including glass. Whether or not she has a medium or guardian spirit is currently unknown.

<br>'''Seiyuu:''' Saori Goto

=== ? ===

Raplas is a rabbit (?) full of riddles.

== Themes and references ==

Many important parts of the series take place in Jun's "dream world", which is where his soul dwells. It is a dark, stormy place filled with the relics of his failure.

The dolls who live with Jun are all hooked on a puppet-based television series called ''Detective Kun-Kun'', about a dog who solves crimes, including [[murders]]. The series-within-a-series appears to be satirizing such popular anime fare as [[Detective Conan]] and [[The Kinidachi Files]].

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