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The [[The Legend of Zelda (series)|''Legend of Zelda'' series]] of [[video games]] has a diverse range of '''[[race (fantasy)|races]]''' living in the games' world. Because of the mystery surrounding the series' chronology, it is mostly unknown how the games connect together and which event takes place after another.
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==Deities==
The '''Deities''' are the most powerful and important creatures in the world of ''The Legend of Zelda''. They have created the world and all the realms it holds. They also created life and sometimes, a specific race (though it is unknown who did what).
 
===Deity Society===
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In general, Deities can be divided into the higher Deities ('''gods''') and the lower Deities ('''Spirits''').
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'''Gods''' include the three "Golden goddesses", Din, Nayru, and Farore, who created Hyrule (though it should be noted that there was apparently something already there), its physics, and its lifeforms. It is unknown where they came from or for how long they have existed. They are usually portrayed as three beautiful women with power nearing omnipotence, but they are sometimes represented differently, such as [[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'s three goddess Statues. They are most often referred to as goddesses, though the neutral "gods" is also used, such as ''The Wind Waker''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Tower of the Gods. Other "gods" and "goddesses" are mentioned within the games: ''Ocarina of Time'' sparingly referred to a "Sand goddess" which the Gerudos revered, ''Majora's Mask'' described the four giants as gods, as well as mentioning a "goddess of Time", and ''The Wind Waker'' used the title "goddess of Fortune" to refer to a certain Great Fairy. It is speculated whether some of these are merely alternate titles for one of the Golden goddesses, or truly other gods. Furthermore, in ''Twilight Princess'' the antagonist [[Zant]] refers to [[Ganon|Ganondorf]] as his "god". This seems to imply that the title "god/goddess" is given due to power rather than due to a dogmatic pantheon. If there are more gods, it is unclear what their role is in the affairs of Hyrule and the other countries and dimensions. The Golden goddesses seem to mostly withdraw themselves from Hyrule's comings and goings, though they do respond to prayers invoked by the Triforce, or made by the sages or chosen ones (flooding Hyrule, restoring the Master Sword).
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'''Spirits''' (sometimes called by other titles) may not be as powerful as the gods, but are still powerful enough to create and protect other creatures. For instance, it was the Great Deku Tree who, according to ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', created the [[#Kokiri|Kokiri]]<ref name="Deku Tree and Kokiri">''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Kokiri girl:''' "That's because the Great Deku Tree is our father, the forest guardian, and he gave life to all us Kokiri!"</ref>. Unlike the goddesses, the Spirits live with the other races on earth, instead of watching them from a distance. They sometimes act as a leader or second leader for a population of their chosen race and are always treated with great respect. Spirits vary greatly in shape and size, though they often appear as some sort of nature symbol, such as a stag, a tree, or a sun. Some Spirits age and can be killed, though they will also replace themselves. The Spirits do not form a collective society (though they do seem to know of each other), but are instead often found as either a patron deity of one a lesser race, or alone in a personal shrine.
==Proposed - Images moved to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Commons]==
Now we have the ability to use commons images it seems sensible to do so. I believe there is going to be an easy way to move images to commons in the future. But in the mean time, I think any images moved manually to commons can safely be deleted here (if they otherwise comply with the speedy criteria - i.e. the moved image is exactly the same as the image to be deleted). Thoughts? -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 17:19, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 
===Notable Gods===
:Basically agree, but if I've understood correctly, using images from the commons is just a search preference: the software first searches locally, and if it doesn't find an image, it tries the commons. Has anybody thought about the new opportunities for vandalism or just plain confusion in this scheme? Assume an image doesn't exist on en:, but on commons, and is used in an article. The article thus shows the image from the commons. If somebody now uploads an image with the same name on en:, the article will show a different image. And that image page on en: will give no indication whatsoever that in fact some other image should be used. Or have I misunderstood the way things work? [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 19:21, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Cyclos|Cyclos]]''', the storm god
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Din 2|Din]]''', the goddess of power and earth; one of the three creator goddesses
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#The Four Guardians|The Four Giants]]''', the four protective gods of Termina
*'''[[Ganon]]''', referred to by various villains as the "King" or "God" of evil
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Farore 2|Farore]]''', the goddess of courage and wind; one of the three creator goddesses
*'''Fierce Deity''', depicted by the Fierce Deity Mask
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*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Nayru 2|Nayru]]''', the goddess of wisdom and time; one of the three creator goddesses
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Zephos|Zephos]]''', the wind god
 
===Notable Spirits===
:I agree; anyway it seems to be just an application of the speedy deletion rule: "An image which is a redundant (all bits the same or scaled-down) copy of something else, and as long as all inward links have been changed to the image being retained" [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 20:01, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Light Spirits|Eldin]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Light Spirits|Faron]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Great Deku Tree|Great Deku Tree (Ocarina of Time)]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Great Deku Tree|Great Deku Tree (The Wind Waker)]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Jabu-Jabu|Jabu-Jabu]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Jabun|Jabun]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Light Spirits|Lanayru]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Light Spirits|Ordona]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Maku Tree of Holodrum|Maku Tree of Holodrum]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Maku Tree of Labrynna|Maku Tree of Labrynna]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Season Spirits|Season Spirits]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Valoo|Valoo]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening#The Wind Fish|The Wind Fish]]'''
 
==Deku==
::I'm told by [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] that this suggestion is a bit too early. It is not yet possible to provide images for download from Commons that are specific to a particular Wikipedia - which is needed for distribution to others using our content. So it's probably best to wait on this for now. He also said that he would add a warning that will appear if an image is uploaded here, if the same name is already used by an image on Commons. Which will solve the problem Lupo pointed out. He's going to put this into the new version of Mediawiki though - so it won't be available for a while -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 00:32, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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[[Image:Thumb dekuscrub.jpg|thumb|right|A Deku Scrub.]]
The '''Deku''' ("Deku Nuts" in [[Japanese language|Japanese]] games, "Deku" is the Japanese word for "wooden figurine") is a race that consists of plant-like humanoids introduced in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]''.
 
===Biology===
:::A warning when uploading is better than nothing, but only solves the "confusion" part of the problem. If somebody goes ahead despite the warning, the resulting image page on a local wiki should have some indication that an image with the same name exists on the commons. For instance, an interwiki link could be added automatically. That would help dealing with the "vandalism" part. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 10:00, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Deku are generally short and have leaves on their heads where humans would have hair. They often have red, glowing eyes, and their mouths are short, hollow tubes. Deku habitually shoot "Deku Nuts" out of their mouths to attack enemies, bearing some similarity to the rock-spitting [[Octorok]]s. Deku's bodies are comprised entirely of [[wood]] and [[leaf|leaves]] and they perish quickly if set on fire. [[Gibdo]]s pointedly ignore Deku; perhaps since they lack flesh and bone.
 
Deku are sometimes seen flying using [[helicopter]]-like leaves in ''Majora's Mask''. While Link uses two petals which only work for a short time, Business Scrubs fly with the leaves on their heads, and can apparently do so indefinitely. [[#Koroks|Koroks]] use similar means to fly great distances in ''The Wind Waker''.
::::Yep - that sounds sensible too. -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 16:30, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 
According to the Deku Scrubs in ''[[Four Swords Adventures]]'', anyone who becomes lost in the [[Lost Woods]] will eventually turn into a Deku Scrub.
:::::BTW, just wanted to point out that the "vandalism" case is not just theoretical: something like that just occurred on [[:Image:RalphNader.jpg]]. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:34, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)|Link]] is able to turn himself into a Deku Scrub. At the beginning of the game, he is trapped in this form until the player manages to retrieve the [[Musical instruments from The Legend of Zelda series#Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]. Link's Deku form has a number of useful abilities, such as a spinning attack which stuns or harms enemies, and the utilization of Deku Flowers, which allow him to hover through the air and attack enemies from above by dropping Deku Nuts. He is also capable of skipping on the surface of bodies of water for awhile, though he will eventually sink, and after he is umbued with [[#Fairies|fairy]] magic, he can fire bubbles of magic through his mouth.
It's way too soon to do this. Problems include:
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#It discards the license information from the dump, making any use of a GFDL or other image requiring attribution (effectively, all but PD) a copyright infringement for anyone who tries to reuse the image in their copy of Wikipedia.
There are three main types of Deku that are typically encountered in the various Zelda games in which the Deku appear:
#For countries with [[moral rights]] laws, the removal of the creator information is going to be contrary to that law, which gives the creator a right independent of copyright to have their name associated with their work.
*'''Deku Scrubs''': These Deku sport green leaves and are the most common type of Deku. They will often spout useful information if caught.
#It discards the copyright date for any original images, making it harder to determine the end of their copyright term.
*'''Mad Scrubs''': These scrubs have red and yellow leaves and are not known to talk. As their name suggests, they tend to be the most violent type of Scrub. In ''Ocarina of Time'', they will attack with Deku nuts, unprovoked, even from a distance. Once struck, a Mad Scrub is ejected from its Deku Flower, and will flee without counterattack until it finds another burrow in which to hide. Mad Scrubs will sink in water, and can apparently breathe under water as well, although they become immobilized.
#It may have a different uploader, discarding the audit trail of who actually uploaded the image originally and who is therefore primarily responsible for any copyright infringement. The second uploader, to Commons, may end up being blamed.
*'''Business Scrubs''': These scrubs are seemingly more intelligent than most Deku Scrubs, as is evident by the fact that they have entered the world of [[commerce]]. They sport rounder bodies and longer legs than their cousins, and their leaves are green. They generally offer to sell their wares and services when approached or forcibly coerced into vending. They appear in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of ages|Oracle of Ages]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap|The Minish Cap]]''.
#The protection and vandalism concerns mentioned by others.
*'''Royal Scrubs''': Appearing only in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', these Dekus have a larger head, bigger eyes, smaller mouths, and some have arms and legs. The leaves that make up their hair are sparser and resemble a [[topknot]], and they also have extra leaves covering their body, similar to a robe. The Deku who guard Deku Palace are members of this subtype.
#Commons itself may end up without a valid license. Someone uploading to Wikipedia has arguably granted an implied license for what Wikipedia does but that implied license isn't transferred to Commons, IMO, since it is a different project and probably didn't even exist at the time. Commons itself would have to actually comply with the GFDL. For most images, this is probably doable if the image is accompanied by a complete copy of the GFDL on the image description page at Commons (not a link to it - the license doesn't accept a link). Last I knew, Commons wanted to ensure that images were as clean as possible legally, so reusers can be confident that they are safe. Simply copying from another project doesn't usually meet that goal.
Personally, I'm not keen on causing every reuser to infringe the license of every GFDL image from Commons. We cause reusers to do that every time a non-PD Commons image is used today and for that reason I'd personally choose to upload an image from Commons here, copying all of the details including the copyright date and original uploader details. Not really ideal, but at least I know I won't be causing reusers to infringe copyrights. Commons has lots of potential but it is too soon to be deleting things from here because they are there. Worth revisiting the question in six months though - by then Commons support is likely to be significantly better and hopefully most these issues will be gone. It's an area [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] and I have been discussing, trying to make sure that we end up with license compliance and effective use of the Commons. Still more to be done, but it'll get there. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 07:00, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 
===Deku Scrub Society===
How about allowing public ___domain images uploaded by someone, and uploaded by the same person to commons, to be speedied? Or at least public ___domain images also created by that user. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] 23:33, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Deku typically reside in [[#Deku Flowers|Deku Flowers]] or similar leafy burrows, from which they may emerge at any time. In general, Deku are rather territorial, pelting those who approach their hiding places with Deku Nuts. They are typically cowardly creatures, and will hide or run from any potential threat that is not halted by their nut-spitting defenses.
 
In ''Ocarina of Time'', the few Deku Scrubs within the [[Great Deku Tree]] seem to follow [[Gohma|Queen Gohma]]<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Deku Scrub:''' "In order to administer the coup de grace to Queen Gohma, strike with your sword while she's stunned. Oh, Queenie... Sorry about that!"</ref>, who is sent as a curse by [[Ganon]]dorf to destroy the tree. A mini-boss in the tree also consists of the "Deku Scrub Brothers", three Dekus who have to be struck in a certain order to be defeated.<ref>{{cite web| |url=http://www.zelda.com/universe/pedia/d.jsp#DekuScrubBros. |title=Deku Scrub Bros. at the Great Hyrule Encyclopedia|publisher=Zelda.com | language= |accessdate=2007-06-08}}</ref>
 
The world of [[Termina]] is host to a tribe of Deku Scrubs, whose affairs are concerned with the nearby Woodfall Temple. These Deku demonstrate a form of government, with a "Deku King" that presumably rules over all other Deku in the land of Termina. Deku society is depicted similarly to that of the Zora, bearing a Royal family and their subjects. In Deku form, Link converses more openly with them, showing these Deku Scrubs to be quite intelligent. The Deku Scrubs of Termina are shown to be quite reclusive, believing themselves to be superior to other races. They are intolerant of outsiders.<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Deku guard:''' "This is the royal palace of the Deku Kingdom. This is no place for outsiders."</ref>
==Formal proposal==
See my formal proposal at [[Wikipedia:Proposal to expand WP:CSD]]. [[User:Blankfaze|<small>BLANKFAZE]] | [[User talk:blankfaze|(&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??)]] 15:10, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 
Deku Scrubs of this tribe traditionally play large Deku Pipes for use in ceremonies. In ''Majora's Mask'', the Deku Princess is said to use the pipes to gain access to Woodfall Temple. Link himself plays the Deku pipes in place of his ocarina when in Deku form.<br>
For convenience, the proposals are:
#Any article whose contents consist only of an external link, "See Also" section, book reference, category tag or template tag.
#Extremely short articles which add no information beyond what is obvious from the title (e.g. Swazi embassy to Mozambique which said "The Embassy of Swaziland is the home of Swaziland's representative to Mozambique.")
#Extremely blatant vanity articles. (e.g., bands that have never released an album, contain no members that are famous for reasons other than being in the band, and have no press coverage—also, people where the article makes no claim of notability and the person gets virtually no Google hits, not including any of Wikimedia's websites or mirrors.)
#Any article consisting only of a dictionary definition (dicdef), which either already exists at Wiktionary, or is not appropriate for submission there (i.e. made-up words, neologisms)
#Any article that consists only of content in blatant, easily verifiable violation of copyright or which is not immediately verifiable as compatible with the GFDL, unless said article was submitted by a user or IP with legitimate contributions or has since been subsequently edited by another user. The creator must subsequently be informed on their talk page that such deletion has happened, with an external reference to the existing material, and instructions on how to prevent any recreation of the article from being deleted again.
[[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 18:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 
In ''[[Oracle of Seasons]]'' and ''[[Oracle of Ages]]'' Business Scrubs differ somewhat in appearance from the ones seen in earlier titles, and are never seen completely out of the ground. The game contains a new kind of Business Scrub that loves music, and is known for giving Link information and/or filling up his Seed Satchel.<br>
==Proposed cases==
The following cases are proposals '''only''', and until a vote to approve them has been held, they '''should not''' be used as reasons for a speedy deletion.
# (Proposed) Extremely short articles which add no information beyond what is obvious from the title (''e.g.'' '''Swazi embassy to Mozambique''' which said "The Embassy of Swaziland is the home of Swaziland's representative to Mozambique.")
# (Proposed) Any article whose contents consist only of an external link, "See Also" section, book reference, category tag or template tag.
# (Proposed) Extremely blatant vanity articles. (e.g., bands that have never released an album, contain no members that are famous for reasons other than being in the band, ''and'' have no press coverage&mdash;also, people where the article makes no claim of notability ''and'' the person gets fewer than two Google hits, not including any of Wikimedia's websites or mirrors.)
# (Proposed) Obvious joke, prank, hoax, or fabrication.
Of course, the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|Sandbox]] is exempt from these rules and should not be deleted even though it may satisfy some of the criteria.
 
The Deku Scrubs in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures|Four Swords Adventures]]'' live in the Lost Woods, because of the shade it provides. They cooperate with Ganon in his attempts to conquer Hyrule both because he revived them from some kind of slumber, and because he has promised to reward them by covering the world in forest, thus allowing the Deku Scrubs to travel anywhere. In this particular title they do not seem to have a ruler of their own.
:Athought I agree with proposals, IMO listing them along with actual policy is creating confusion. Several admins unilataraly delete articles falling into ''proposed'' catheories. Read VfD. --[[User:Wikimol|Wikimol]] 08:17, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 
===Deku Flowers===
==<nowiki>{{isd}}</nowiki>==
'''Deku Flowers''' are large, leafy flowers from ''Majora's Mask''. Deku Scrubs hide in these plants, which they sometimes use to propel themselves into flight. Like ''Ocarina of Time'', they are apt to defend themselves by shooting Deku Nuts, using Deku Flowers for cover. Within [[Clock Town]] a Deku Scrub required a property title in order to use a Deku Flower showing that these acted as long term homes to the plant-like people living there.
I've created [[:Template:isd]] ("images for speedy deletion") for tagging redundant images that may be speedily deleted according to the current policy. This template adds images to [[:Category:Redundant images]], which is a subcategory of [[:CAT:CSD]]. Perhaps <nowiki>{{isd}}</nowiki> could be listed here and/or on [[:Template:Deletiontools]]. Any objections? --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 09:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 
These flowers come in two breeds: pink and yellow. The pink ones have a few green leaves at the bottom, four pink [[petals]], and a yellow center. The yellow ones have many dark yellow leaves at the bottom, yellow petals, and a green center. Each type of flower launches Deku with a different strength, pink being the weaker, with yellow being the stronger.
== Page name ==
It just occured to me that this policy page's name is a bit misleading. Since it does not actually list out the ''candidates'' but just documents the policy. How about renaming to [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion]]? It'll still be "WP:CSD". -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 18:54, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)
 
These flowers also appear in ''Oracle of Seasons''. The flower can only be used in spring. In the other seasons, each flower is nothing more than a bud. In ''Majora's Mask'', Link can enter Deku Flowers while he is in Deku form. They help launch Link across obstacles and gaps he often cannot traverse in other forms.
:I don't have strong feelings either way - but the suggestion seems reasonable -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 19:42, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 
===Notable Deku Scrubs===
:I have no strong feelings on the matter either, but this page ''describes'' candidates for speedy deletion, just like say ''templates for deletion'' isn't a bunch of templates, but a discussion of a bunch of templates. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><FONT COLOR="green">*</FONT></SMALL>]] 19:47, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Deku Butler|'''Deku Butler''']]
:I have also long felt the name of this page was problematic, I have thus moved it to Netoholic's suggested title. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 02:54, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Deku Butler's son|'''Deku Butler's son''']]
::Perhaps then you can complete the job and fix the hundred or so redirects to the old page and the old talk page? {{User:Brockert/sig}} 05:08, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Deku King|'''Deku King''']]
::: There is never a reason to only edit pages to bypass a single redirect. What if we change our collective mind later? -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 05:29, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Deku Princess|'''Deku Princess''']]
 
==Fairies==
Seems like a long-overdue change. You're quite right - the old name was misleading, and this one is more accurate. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 05:33, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
The '''Fairies''' are a magical and kind race in ''The Legend Of Zelda series''. Introduced in the very first ''[[The Legend of Zelda]]'', they appear in every game, always aiding Link in his quest in some way.
There are four different kinds of Fairies: the healing fairies, Guardian fairies, Stray Fairies, and the Great Fairies.
 
===Fairy Society===
== Parent page context ==
[[Image:Fairy.jpg|230px|thumb|left|A Fairy as they appear in Oracle of ages and Majora's Mask]]
This has bothered me since it was added:
Fairies in ''The Legend of Zelda'' are very vague creatures, but they do make an appearance as important characters, such as Navi, Tatl, Tael, etc. It is unknown if the Fairies have established a government or kingdom of their own, as the Great Fairies seem to be superior to other Fairies and different in appearance. In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'', there is a Fairy Queen in Mother & Child Isles who looks like a normal sized, color-changing girl holding a doll resembling the other Great Fairies from ''The Wind Waker''. It seems that Fairies live in all parts of Hyrule and Termina and the surrounding lands.
 
The physical appearance of Fairies tend to change between games. In the early games and ''The Wind Waker'', they are small young girls with wings and [[wand]]s, while in most later games they give off a bright light that is so bright that the body of the Fairy can not be seen and the Fairy tends to look like a ball of colored light with four wings protruding out of the range of the light. The light the Fairy gives off differs. Yellow, blue, pink and green are common colors, but in Majora's Mask, Tael, Tatl's brother, is dark purple. It is also shown that a Fairy's color can change temporarily, possibly as an emotional reaction. However, sometimes Fairies do not give off light at all. Fairies appear in every ''Zelda'' game, usually varying in appearance. They are friendly with every other race and are known for being a guide and "Fairy friend" to the [[#Kokiri|Kokiri]] race in ''Ocarina of Time''.
#* Please use "what links here" to check if a parent page provides context.
 
In the animated series, the Fairies seem to have established a kingdom and have a king, Oberon, based on the King of the Fairies in [[William Shakespeare]]'s ''[[A Midsummer Night's Dream]]'' as well as other legends. He has a daughter named Sprite, but his wife (who is usually Titania, the Queen of Fairies in legends) does not appear. However, the animated series is not considered [[canon (fiction)|canon]] to ''The Legend of Zelda'' series and is therefore not true to the games.
and I finally decided to remove it for talk. My issue is that a page linking to an article should not have to provide context. An article should be able to stand on it's own to enough degree that the reader can tell what it is about. [[History of Elbonia]] doesn't need to include all of the information in the [[Elbonia]] article, but it should be be possible to tell that [[History of Elbonia]] is about [[Elbonia]] and not just a timeline of seemingly random events. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 03:07, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
*Agreed, but the point is I think that it suggests that instead of deleting it you should fix it. In my opinion it should perhaps remain as a hint, but I agree that just because you can construct what the hell the author is on about by checking the links does not mean it stops being a CSD. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><FONT COLOR="green">*</FONT></SMALL>]] 03:10, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)
**Yes I believe these should be fixed and not deleted because they've generally been created by someone clicking on a red link and being invited to fill in the information. If you delete the article you'll probably lose a potential contributor at the same time. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 05:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*In cases where there a newbie sees a red-link and creates a new stub that might contain some possibly useful information but did not bother to provide enough context to understand what the stub is describing, it may be helpful to look at the What Links Here first to check if there is a simple way to improve the stub rather than simply speedily deleting the stub. [[User:Bkonrad|older]]<font color=blue>'''&ne;'''</font>[[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 13:12, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
* It seemed like a useful advisory comment to me. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] [[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]] 14:15, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
** I don't think that it would be bad to check for such context, but I would prefer that it be worded as an advisory comment rather than as a requirement. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 02:00, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
 
===Fairies===
== Dictionary Definitions ==
They are small humanlike creatures with wings. Usually, only their glow and wings can be seen. They can be found everywhere, but they usually reside in a Fairy Fountain or Fairy Spring, sometimes under the protection of a Great Fairy. These Fairies from the fountains (only pink in colour has been seen so far) heal Link when he approaches and Link can put them in [[Weapons and items from The Legend of Zelda series#Bottles|bottles]] for later use. If Link dies when he has a bottled Fairy with him, he or she will bring him back to life and then disappear. In ''Four Swords Adventures'', they were called '''Force Fairies'''.
I would argue that dictionary defintions are SD material if they are already duplicated on Wiktionary (thus making it pointless to MOVE the content to Wiktionary). Is there precedence for this, and should there be an explicit case listing this scenario, or is it viewed as falling under one of the pre-existing cases? --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 23:35, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
 
In ''Ocarina of Time'', a branch of these Fairies, called '''Guardian Fairies''' appeared. They guard the Kokiri and give them advice. One of these, Navi, was a main character in ''Ocarina of Time'', and served as Link's guardian fairy.
: This was tested recently, and there is no consensus that any dicdefs are speedy deletions. Check out [[Wikipedia:Proposal to expand WP:CSD/Proposal IV (Dicdefs)]]. That only got about 1/3 support. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:13, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
::More accurately, there was no consensus that all dicdefs are speedy deletion candidates. {{User:Brockert/sig}} 05:08, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
::: More accurately, there 'is' consensus that ''all'' dicdefs-only articles must go through the full [[WP:VFD]] process, if deletion is suggested. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 06:28, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
 
===Stray Fairies===
== Proposal: Articles written in the first person ==
Apparently, a Great Fairy's body can be broken into pieces, with every piece being a Fairy on its own. They still share each others' thoughts though. A Stray Fairy can heal Link, but won't go with him like a normal Fairy, because it might not be able to return and thus would never be whole again. They are a bit bigger than normal Fairies.
I think we should add, "Any article written in the first person," under the "Articles" section. This doesn't really fall under, "Any article which consists only of attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title," like articles in the second person would. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Flamurai|flamurai]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Flamurai|t]]) 03:26, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
 
===Great Fairies===
: Can you point out an example of this? -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 04:20, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
{{main|Great Fairy}}
 
===Notable Fairies===
:: [[Hayley phillips]]. Not really speediable under any of the current criteria. There was another one I saw, too, but forgot about. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Flamurai|flamurai]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Flamurai|t]]) 04:59, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Fairy of Winds|Fairy of Winds]]'''
::: That sort of thing doesn't seem to happen very often. In fact, some of those belong moved to User space, so I can't see that class as you descried as an obvious speedy delete. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 06:29, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Fairy Queen|Fairy Queen]]'''
*'''[[Great Fairy|The Great Fairies (Multiple Games)]]'''
*'''[[Great Fairy#The Minish Cap|Great Butterfly Fairy]]'''
*'''[[Great Fairy#The Minish Cap|Great Dragonfly Fairy]]'''
*'''[[Great Fairy#The Minish Cap|Great Mayfly Fairy]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Navi|Navi]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Tatl & Tael|Tael]]'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Tatl & Tael|Tatl]]'''
 
== rearrangement Fishmen==
[[Image:Merman2.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A fishman as portrayed in ''The Wind Waker'']]
I made what I see as a very [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion&diff=10380653&oldid=10361425 reasonable copyedit] of the items on the page, to rearrange the order of the cases. It's pretty straightforward, but I was reverted. I'm going to restore it because this is a fairly obvious way to delineate the items, and because the person who reverted didn't bother to explain why on this talk page. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 06:24, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
The Fishmen are a race of blue fish with a human-like face. In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'', they were responsible for giving Link information on the sector of the Great Sea he was in when he met one of them, and they would fill in the appropriate part of his map the first time he talked to them. They were apparently very skilled information-gatherers, as they seemed to know the King of Red Lions and were sometimes found giving him information.
:You know full well that this is a policy that arises a lot of tensions, and that changes are likely to require some discussion. Yet you went ahead and made major changes, including changing the order that they are known in (and which people tend to quote in reference to them), and demoting others further down for no apparent reason. Discuss controversial changes before making them, not the other way around. [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 07:18, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:: The present separation was done me quite a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=5482028 while ago], and seems to have been very well recieved. You are preemptively reverting because you ''think'' others might object, while not giving any firm objections yourself. Stop being silly. Yes, it is time to re-order these into a more logical manner, and noone's going to care about the "renumbering". Get over it, there is no controversy here except what you make of it. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 07:29, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
 
After talking to Link the first time, the Fishmen will ask Link to ease their aching necks by shooting arrows at them. It is also implied by a certain Fishman and a figurine in the Nintendo Gallery that that Fishman had once dated the owner of the Windfall Island cafe.
I think that Netoholic's division between General and Article classes is sound and very helpful. It closes several loopholes that trolls and vandals can exploit. For example, some "WikiLawyers" have asserted in TfD that templates cannot be speedy deleted, because this page does not explicitly mention them. Obviously, when I (or majority of admins) sees [[Template:I'm GNAA Sollog Willy on Wheels and you suck!]] or something similar, it gets deleted, no matter what the strict interpretation of CSD rules is. I'm willing to tolerate the inavoidable change in numbering when partitioning the cases to two sets, but the relative ordering within a section should not be changed on a whim. At least not without discussion occurring first. The numbering matters, because several people refer to the cases by number only. If numbers can be replaced by mnemonics, all the better.
 
===Notable Fishmen===
In summary, I support the changes made by Netoholic. Obviously I agree with Ambi that he should have raised the issue in talk or in village pump before making such a controversial change. [[User:Jni|jni]] 07:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
* '''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Fishman|Fishman]]'''
 
==Gorons==
* There is still no controversy here, so I dispute whether its reasonable that this edit required any sort of announcement. I was bold and fixed some clear ambiguity by making the separation, and closed the "loopholes" as you say. For instance, someone added a case for images being speedy deletions if they were formally deleted according to policy before... well, that goes for ''all'' namespaces and was moved to "General". Anyway, the renumbering "problem" is moot because the expansion proposal and subsequent changes have already changed them. The new separation actually now makes things easier to reference than even before. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 08:06, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
[[Image:GoronTP.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A Goron in ''Twilight Princess'']]
** An announcement would have been prudent. I only found out about your rewrite because after vandals rewrote the list this is one of the pages I now watch for vandalism. ''I'', and others like me, refer to the CSD criteria solely by number as a shorthand for speed. There are a lot of such references in VFD discussions. Your rewrite, even though it didn't change any of the criteria (and I suspect that I wasn't the only one who checked the rewrite ''thoroughly'' for that), ''did'' change the numbering. Many existing references to criteria by number, including several of the more popular ones, suddenly became either meaningless or completely altered. There's a warning on the page move page that is apposite here. If you surprise people by changing the name (or, as in this case, the number) of something that is popular, expect an outcry, almost certain reversion to the status quo ante, and to have to explain yourself. Better that you warn people ''beforehand''. Had you done so, and let it sink in for a few days, you wouldn't be here now and in the middle of a reversion war, I suspect. Inspired by several grumblings on the parts of several people, I'm just about to tackle the <nowiki>{{vfd}}</nowiki> template, and the [[WP:VFD]] introduction, quite hard. I'm planning to warn people, explaining my intentions, before I actually put the rewrites in place. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 13:26, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
'''Gorons''' are a race of peaceful, mountain-dwelling rock-eaters which appear in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask|Majora’s Mask]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages|Oracle of Ages]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons|Oracle of Seasons]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap|The Minish Cap]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures|Four Swords Adventures]]'', and ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]''. The name "Goron" probably originates from the phrase "goron, goron", a Japanese [[onomatopoeia]] for the sound of a rolling rock. Almost all Gorons say "goro" at the end of most of their sentences, but this was removed from the English versions of the games, save for a few rare cases such as the Goron tourist in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'' and some instances in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap|The Minish Cap]]''.
*** Like I said before, I made a very similar change a while ago, and there was no outcry over the numbering. I still think you're blowing this out of proportion. You'd think I'd re-written the Bible or something. Anyway, the only reason you have to propose changes to the VfD template in the way that you are is because that template is protected currently. Anyone else who wants to bitch about my "''inaction''" of not "''announcing''" this reasonable copyedit, do so on my talk page. Otherwise, people might mistake this conversation for substantive criticism of the change itself, which I've not heard. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 13:37, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
 
===Goron Society===
I thought the change was reasonable when I saw it the first time (before the revert war started). A little warning would be nice but we shouldn't abuse people too badly for [[be bold|being bold]]. I have one requested improvement. Many people (including me) do refer to these by number. It is very convenient, especially when documenting the reason for deletion in that little box on the delete page. The current format will now require me to specify "CSD case General 1" vs "CSD case Article 1". That just seems clumsy. Can we hard-code the numbering instead? I recommend "G1-G7", "A1-A5" and so on. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] [[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]] 14:48, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Goron culture apparently revolves around brotherhood and strength. In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', Darunia refers to both the King of Hyrule<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Darunia:''' "Has Darunia, the big boss of the Gorons, really lost so much status to be treated like this by his Sworn Brother, the King?"</ref> and Link<ref>'''Darunia:''' "How's about you and I become Sworn Brothers?!" [...] Brother! You'll keep brushing up on your skills as you travel, won't you? [...] Hey, everybody! Let's see off our Brother!"</ref> as "Sworn Brothers" and "Brothers", and in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]'', Gorons often call many other characters "Brother". Gorons show high regard for individuals who display great strength, and particularly enjoy matching their strength with others in [[sumo wrestling]] matches (as seen in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]''). By beating an elder, Gor Coron, in a sumo wrestling contest (using the Iron Boots to even the playing field), Link demonstrates his strength and garners enough Goron respect to gain access to their mines.
:My thoughts exactly. Let's change the lists of cases to use "G1-G7" (and similarly for A, R, I, C, and U letters) instead of plain numbers. This way it's easy to find out what "Deleted per CSD A4" in deletion log means. Is there a way to force an arbitrary prefix to the '#' formatting element? [[User:Jni|jni]] 16:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:: Let's do that, but do it informally (i.e. don't actually number the cases that way). A comment like "Deleted per CSD A4" has a timestamp, and so does this page, so ambiguation is small. I still see some rearrangement potential (I didn't want to make too many changes at once), and we shouldn't be too locked in to any one "scheme" when it's not really necessary. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 16:59, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
 
While not all the games which feature Gorons include full tribes, those that do depict Goron polity as headed by a single [[patriarch]]. As shown in ''Majora's Mask'' and ''Twilight Princess'', the patriarch is sometimes aided by one or multiple Goron Elders, who assume leadership of the tribe when the patriarch cannot, which suggests a [[gerontocracy]].
== reposted content ==
 
At leisure, Gorons delight in a variety of both relaxing and stimulating activities. In ''Ocarina of Time'', Gorons appear to enjoy dancing and rolling<ref> “This wild rolling is the only way to relieve my stress!” […] “Let me express my joy with more wild rolling!”</ref>. They are fond of drums, as seen in ''Majora's Mask''. In ''Twilight Princess'', Gorons are seen enjoying bathing in [[hot spring]]s and sumo wrestling (though sumo’s popularity seems to wane among the younger generations)<ref>'''Goron:''' “I suppose it is because young Gorons these days have no interest in old arts like sumo.”</ref>.
Currently, the rule under the "General" section reads: "''Reposted content that was deleted according to Wikipedia deletion policy.''"
 
Gorons take on a wide range of occupations; some are adept craftsmen, blacksmiths, or sculptors. Not all Goron professions involve manual labor, however; in ''The Wind Waker'', three Goron merchants are seen on separate islands, although their race is never explicitly referred to. The Goron symbol appears on their packs, and if the player uses the [[Deku Leaf]] to blow a gust of air at one of them, his hat will temporarily fly off, revealing his clearly Goron face. In ''Twilight Princess'', Gorons are seen engaged in trade again, as evidenced by the two Goron shops in Hyrule Castle Town as well as the nightly shop in Kakariko Village<ref>'''Goron:''' “I sell stuff across from the bomb shop at night. I hope to see you there, Brother!”</ref>. The Gorons in this game also regularly trade with the people of Kakariko Village (although this exchange is suspended when a Fused Shadow afflicts [[Darbus]]). They have constructed a large mining complex within Death Mountain so as to accumulate goods for this trade. The complexity of the mine suggests that Gorons have excellent knowledge of mechanics, for it contains both elevators and magnetic cranes.
It seems that the rearrangement of the sections has lead to some confusion. We need to clear up the conflict between recreated content and "work in progress" pages which are often kept in in User: space with the intent of cleaning up articles and re-submitting them. This practice has been done successfully many times in the past.
 
====Bomb Flowers====
I'd like to add to this rule (as a rephrase or a sub-item), something stating that this only applies if the content was recreated in the same [[Wikipedia:namespace|namespace]]. After an article is VfD'd, for example, this rule would allow recreationg in User: space. If a second vote says it should be deleted from User: space, then that stands. This returns this pages intent to the way it was before when the rule refered to "articles" not "pages".
To help with mining and gathering food, Gorons grow their “special crop”: Bomb Flowers, which resemble [[Recurring weapons and items from The Legend of Zelda series#Bombs|bombs]] in both appearance and function. They look like standard bombs with a flower growing on top, and 3 large leaves growing outwards. Underneath the "bomb" is the stem (with the leaves growing out), but normally this is not visible. Bomb Flowers break easily from their stems and once plucked they soon explode (although not as soon as would a regular bomb). The stem and leaves of the flower are bomb-proof so a Bomb Flower cannot blow itself up, which may be a defense mechanism. In ''Ocarina of Time'', Bomb Flowers grow only in dark areas<ref>'''Goron:''' "Those plants growing over there are Bomb Flowers. They are "mining plants" that grow only on this mountain. They usually grow only in dark places, like caves, so Bomb Flowers that grow in a place like this are extremely rare."</ref>. By contrast, Bomb Flowers in ''The Wind Waker'' inhabit light-bathed environments (most notably on [[Dragon Roost Island]]). In the Oracle games, Bomb Flowers are grown in the northern region of Labrynna (it is the main export of the Rolling Ridge Goron tribe) and the volcanic world of Subrosia (specifically, in Lava Lake). In ''Four Swords Adventures'', Bomb Flowers grow practically everywhere.
 
===Biology===
Definitely open to any wording suggestions. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 06:44, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
Gorons are physically larger than an average human. They appear to be muscular, but their large bellies provide contrast. They maintain a strict diet of rocks and iron<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap'', '''Goron figurine:''' "These rock- and iron-eaters once lived on Mount Crenel in Western Hyrule."</ref>, <ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Goron:''' "You shouldn't be so picky about what you eat! Do you eat all of your green rocks? If you don't, you won't grow up big and strong!"</ref>.
:I do see your point, and I can see how this would be useful, but it needs to be limited to exclude Anthony DiPierro-like abuses. [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 13:13, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:: I don't think there was any abuse in him re-creating pages, but it does seem that the [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro 2|recent situations]] were exacerbated by the gap in clarity on this page. Both sides had valid viewpoints, but tended not to handle themselves well. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 16:38, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
:Good idea, but restricting the scope of deletion to same namespace only would be way too limiting. We currently have at least one group of POV-pushers that tries to hide their hate speach etc. to various odd corners of Wikipedia, see for example [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Elsewhere:Richard G./ex-premies]] and other "ex-premie" related VfDs. (BTW, I really like [[User:Antaeus_Feldspar|Antaeus_Feldspar]]'s comment on that page!) It is only matter of time when they learn about 'Image talk', 'Help talk' and other exotic namespaces. I would say first deletion per process enables G4 for all namespaces except 'User' and 'User talk' and that exception be valid '''only''' if the associated user exists and accepts the material being in his space. Vandals posting some crap to other's subpages is not an uncommon occurrance. See also 'Proposed Principles' and 'Proposed finding of fact' in [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro 2/Proposed decision]]. While that case itself is not very relevant to this discussion, the ArbCom seems to support a partition of namespaces to two sets when it comes to deletion, and I feel that reflects the concensus of the community. Wording suggestions are welcome, I'm at loss how to express this in concise, easy to understand, rules. [[User:Jni|jni]] 10:45, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
Due to their enormous weight, they are helpless in water because they will sink to the bottom and might not be able to get up to the surface<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Darmani's memorial:''' "Water is disastrous for Goron heroes, for they sink like stones and are rendered motionless in the deep. Beware."</ref>. However, it is shown in ''Twilight Princess'' that Gorons do not need to breathe, and therefore cannot drown (though since they can not swim, they get stuck underwater regardless, but can speak and move normally, although this inconsistency may be due to the possible differences between [[Termina|Terminian]] and Hyrulian Gorons.) Gorons are also resistant to heat, to the point of being able to walk through shallow [[lava]]. This is a valuable capability when searching for food inside mountains.
== Deletion at the end of transwiki ==
 
It has been suggested that Gorons in fact are made of a rocklike material and it is mentioned in ''Twilight Princess'' that Gorons are living rocks{{Fact|date=May 2007}}. This could explain most of their characteristics and why [[Gibdo]]s aren't interested in them (as shown by Goron Link in ''Majora's Mask''). Gorons have rocky formations on their backs, and from the size of the Goron Elder's growths in ''Majora's Mask'', it would seem that these continue to grow throughout their lives. Some older Gorons have small smoking craters on their heads or bodies (seemingly as a result of aging).
Several people asked about the [[m:transwiki|transwiki]] process and specifically whether the article needs to be submitted for VfD at the end of the transwiki or whether it can be immediately deleted. Please comment at [[Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion#Deletion at the end of transwiki]]. Thank you. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] [[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]] 22:56, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
It is apparent in the Goron world that some Gorons grow to exaggeratedly huge sizes (though very rare), as seen in the case of Biggoron, who was several hundred times larger than others of his species, and his younger brother Medigoron, who was smaller but still gigantic.
== Image criterion ==
 
Another feature of Goron biology is their ability to curl into a fetal position (with their heads tucked between their legs). This is the Goron's position when resting, but they also use it for transportation. Gorons can roll in this position, gradually speeding up to great speeds. Gorons who are endowed with [[#Fairies|fairy]] magic can grow stone spikes while rolling<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Darmani's memorial:''' "If Gorons who possess magic power roll swiftly enough, spikes will emerge from their bodies so that they may mow down enemies."</ref>, although this ability is only evidenced in Terminian Gorons, and Link while in Goron form.
At [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images/Media]], it says
:An image which is a redundant (all bits the same or scaled-down)
I propose to change "bits" to "pixels". That way a GIF version of a PNG image could be speedy deleted. Also, should we clarify what "scaled-down" means exactly? Like, if you ask MediaWiki to thumbnail the bigger image to the width of the smaller, it produces the same image. (Of course "same" here means "identical", not just "looks the same". In principle one would have to use some program to check. On Linux, <code>pnmpsnr</code> does the trick.) [[User:Dbenbenn|dbenbenn]] | [[User talk:Dbenbenn|talk]] 21:00, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
===Gender===
:I second the proposed change of "bits" to "pixels". I don't think "scaled-down" needs further clarification. If you ask MediaWiki to thumbnail the bigger image, it will use ImageMagick to scale down the image. It is quite possible that ImageMagick will use a different interpolation method than the one used by the program that produced the duplicate thumbnail in the first place, which means the MediaWiki thumbnail will ''not'' match the existing thumbnail pixel for pixel. I would still support speedy deletion in situations where the thumbnails don't match 100% but where it's reasonable to suppose that we are in fact dealing with a thumbnail (often one can tell from the filenames). --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]] 05:42, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The Gorons who appear in the games never show any visible cues to indicate their gender, and all Gorons who are referred to in the third person in in-game dialogue are called "he" and "him." It is possible, though, that referring to "him" and "he" to Gorons may not be gender pertaining at all. Furthermore, in Goron culture it is customary to call other Gorons "brother," as well as those who have earned the title (like Link and the King of Hyrule) - this practice is not limited to males, however. In ''Twilight Princess'', a Goron elder refers to a young woman as "brother", although still using feminine pronouns to refer to her. Gorons are presumably all male, as outside of the manga no female or feminine-looking Gorons have appeared; another possibility is that they do not normally distinguish between genders. It is unclear how they reproduce, but they are obviously able to as Darunia bears a son in ''Ocarina of Time'', named after Link. Goron males appear to remain fertile well into old age; the ancient Goron Elder of ''Majora's Mask'' has an infant son. Feminine-looking Gorons have been known to appear in [[Manga from The Legend of Zelda series|''The Legend of Zelda'' manga]], but the manga are considered non-canonical.
 
===Notable Gorons===
==The importance of pre-emptive redirects==
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Biggoron|'''Biggoron (Ocarina of Time)''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Darbus and the Goron Elders|'''Darbus''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Darmani|'''Darmani''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Darunia|'''Darunia''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Darbus and the Goron Elders|'''Gor Amoto''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Darbus and the Goron Elders|'''Gor Coron''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Darbus and the Goron Elders|'''Gor Ebizo''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Darbus and the Goron Elders|'''Gor Liggs''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Link of the Gorons|'''Link of the Gorons''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Medigoron|'''Medigoron''']]
 
==Humanoids==
I have edited tens of thousands of Wikipedia articles. On many occasions I have created pre-emptive redirects. In some cases their value is very obvious (e.g., I see the someone created a redirect from "complex societies" to "complex society"; I've done the same thing hundreds of times). In other cases the question of their value or its lack is delicate and may require input from experts in the field. An obvious case is a redirect from a misnomer to a correct name. By that of course I do not mean to suggest that misnomers are NEVER appropriate article titles; the question of whether a misnomer is the right title is precisely the kind that may require expert input. The page I protected was nothing but an incitement to wholesale vandalism until I added a conspicuous warning against the "policy" of vandalising pre-emptive redirect pages. I realize some practitioners of that policy were judicious in their application of it, but the statement of the policy did not reflect that at all; it just incited unthinking vandalism. It actually encouraged the use of the word "broken" to refer to any redirect whose target does not exist! That is destructive of Wikipedia's purposes, to say the least.
===Gerudo===
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The {{nihongo|'''Gerudo'''|ゲルド族|Gerudo-zoku}} are a tribe of [[theft|thieves]] from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]]'', and ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures]]''. Their race consists entirely of women, but according to information given in ''Ocarina of Time'', one man is born every hundred years, and is destined to become the king of the Gerudo tribe. [[Ganon]]dorf, the main antagonist of the series, is a Gerudo and in ''Ocarina of Time'', he was that generation's sole male Gerudo and their king, and was worshipped like a god by his fellow Gerudo<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Gossip Stone:''' "They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god."</ref>. As there are generally only Gerudo women, the Gerudo often mate with Hylians<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Gossip Stone:''' "They say that Gerudos sometimes come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for boyfriends."</ref>.
 
The Gerudo live primarily in the desert of Hyrule, which is referred to as the [[Gerudo Valley]] and is far to the west of Hyrule Castle Town in ''Ocarina of Time''. In this game, their territory is marked with an intricately designed fortress, which is constantly guarded. In ''Four Swords Adventures'', they live in tents instead.
Here is what I think the policy ought to say:
 
Gerudo women are generally short-tempered and aggressive, willing to take on any man trespassing on their ground. Though the Gerudo Desert exists in ''[[Twilight Princess]]'', the Gerudo race (with the exception of Ganondorf) is absent. Considering the monsters from earlier games, [[Enemies in Legend of Zelda#Geldarm|Gerudorm (Geldarm)]] and [[Enemies in Legend of Zelda#Geldman|Gerudoman (Geldman)]] it could be that the word "Gerudo" is more significant to the desert itself than the Gerudo race that dwells in it.
::'''Redirects can be immediately deleted if they have no useful history and:<br>
:::1.) They refer to non-existent pages '''and have no value as pre-emptive redirects'''. An obvious case of a valuable pre-emptive redirect is one that redirects ''complex societies'' to ''complex society''. A more subtle example is one that points from a misnomer to a correct title; in some cases, a misnomer may be the more appropriate title (e.g. ''[[fundamental theorem of algebra]]'') and in some cases a misnomer may be merely a popular misunderstanging that should be redirected &mdash; pre-emtively if necessary. The question of whether a page has value as a pre-emptive redirect may be delicate in some cases, sometimes requiring input from experts in the field. Consequently, one should not treat such pages as candidates for "speedy" deletion, but rather one should list them at "votes for deletion" so that their merits can be soberly discussed. Also, before deleting a redirect, check to see if the redirect can be made useful by changing its target.'''
 
The Gerudo leader wear much fancier clothing than normal women. Nabooru, their leader in ''Ocarina of Time'', wears a semi-revealing cloth around her chest with Gerudo art on it, a large ruby on her forehead, and large, pink, puffy pants with a ruby in the center of a "belt." Similar attire is found on Aveil in ''Majora's Mask''.
(The proposal above was from [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]].)
 
Recent news has confirmed that Gerudo will be appearing in [[The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass|The Phantom Hourglass]].
Such redirects provide no positive value to readers, and cause a reduction in value by causing links to appear as if they actually lead somewhere. If you believe that an article should be at a given title, '''then make the links point there'''. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 22:19, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
====Notable Gerudo====
:I should point out that I already attempted to start a [[Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy/redirects#Fighting over pre-emptive redirects|discussion on that matter]]. Whether it continues here or there, it'd be nice to keep it in one place. Scattered discussions are a pain. --[[User:Fbriere|Fbriere]] 22:23, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Aveil|'''Aveil''']]
*[[Ganon|'''Ganondorf''']]
*[[Twinrova|'''Koume and Kotake''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Nabooru|'''Nabooru''']]
 
===Humans===
::I do not think pre-emptive redirects to non-existent articles add any value and as Cyrius points out there is a very serious negative side-effect in making the non-existent redirect look like it links to an article. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 23:33, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
The '''Humans''' are rarely specifically mentioned in the series, but are nonetheless part of the Zelda universe. They seem biologically close to the Hylians, the only known physical difference being the ears, and often live with them in the same towns. Their numbers are not big in Hyrule and Termina, but they are the majority race in Holodrum and Labrynna.
 
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]]'' a village called [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Residents of Ordon village|''Ordon Village'']] is located south of Faron Woods. Except for Link, all its inhabitants are generic humans. They are farmers and apparently quite successful, since products from Ordon Village can even be found in the most northern regions.
The red links problem needs to be viewed as a major bug. If you do not see their obvious value, explain which parts of my arguments for their value are wrong and why -- see above. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 23:43, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
There are several instances within the series where Hylians may be referred to as "humans". In The ''[[Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]]'', for example, all of the human looking races within the game are called humans, and the same occurs within ''The [[Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]''. However, it is also important to note that these games never use the term "Hylian" to refer to the same race that it refers to in other games.
:Well, IMO everything you point out as a positive value is pretty much outweighed in an overwhelming proportion by the red link problem. I mean, as much as I hate sub-stubs, if you come across a situation in which you think there ought to be an article, then create a stub for it rather than simply making a pre-emptive redirect to a non-existant article. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 02:13, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
 
===Hylia===
:: Agree with Bkonrad completely. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:33, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
The {{nihongo|'''Hylia'''|ハイリア族|Hairia-zoku}} are an elf-like<ref>http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/h.jsp</ref> race of humans from the fictional world of [[Hyrule]].<ref>The games do not depict a race called "Elves" - Nintendo has only made this comparison in comment of the games</ref>
 
The Hylia were the first race to establish organized civilization in ancient Hyrule, though in ''Twilight Princess'', the [[#Oocca|Oocca]] are said to have created them. Unlike several other races in the series, they tend to live in highly populated cities.
==The value of pre-emptive redirects==
<!-- Unsourced image removed: [[Image:TPLinkMasterSword.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The warrior [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)|Link]] is possibly the best known Hylian.]] -->
The term "Hylian" generally refers to a member of the Hylian race, as opposed to "Hyrulian", which refers to any inhabitant of Hyrule. According to the original<ref>The manual provided with the American remake of ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]'' for the Game Boy Advance does not mention the Hylia at all, instead focusing on the history of the Triforce and the events immediately precipitating the game.</ref><!-- If anyone can find and translate a scan of the japanese remake for this, please do--> ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]'' instruction manual, Hylians were born with magic-infused blood, endowing them with psychic powers and skill in wizardry, while according to the Japanese manual, these powers are gifts from the gods. The manuals also claim that the Hylians' long, pointed ears (their only known physical difference from humans) allow them to hear messages from the gods.
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'', most Hylians seem to live within the fortified walls of Hyrule Castle Town or the small, neighboring village of Kakariko. Besides living in the bustling marketplace, other citizens of the kingdom inhabit territory outside of the protected city.
 
====Notable Hylians====
:I do not think pre-emptive redirects to non-existent articles add any value and as Cyrius points out there is a very serious negative side-effect in making the non-existent redirect look like it links to an article.
* [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)|Link]]
* [[Princess Zelda]]
* [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule|King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule]]
* [[Tingle]]
 
====Hylian language====
You have not answered my specific points about why certain kinds of pre-emptive redirects are valuable, and you have also neglected the fact that that negative side-effect can be averted by a bug fix.
'''Hylian''' is also the name of the [[constructed language]] created by Nintendo to be used by the Hylians. The characters are composed mostly of squarelike symbols and dots with a small amount of curved or diagonal lines, and changes slightly from game to game. The written form of Hylian is derived from Japanese [[hiragana]], [[katakana]], and [[romaji]] in its first appearances, though is based on [[English language|English]] in ''Twilight Princess''.
 
Hylian first appeared in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]'', though just identified as "the ancient language of the Hylians". Its written form was made up of nonsensical symbols that had to be translated by [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)|Link]] using the mysterious "Book of Mudora" to progress in the game.
''Eastern Sudanic'' redirects to ''Eastern Sudanic languages'', which does not yet exist. The value of that is something I would have considered obvious, but I'll explain it. ''Eastern Sudanic'' is an abbreviation in standard use for obvious reasons, but the non-abbreviated form is the appropriate article title. The pre-emptive redirect avoids the future creation of two disparate article by authors who cannot work together because they are unaware of each other's work, which would later need to get merged.
 
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', the scripting appeared on signs, gravestones and more. While no official translations or character sets have been released by [[Nintendo]], some fans have created versions themselves<ref>Omniglot.com [http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian.htm ''Ocarina of Time'' Hylian]. Obtained [[May 28]], [[2007]].</ref> by observing and translating the inscriptions in the game and on the game's box art. The script used in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'' (see below) is also used on the headbands of [[Twinrova|Kotake and Koume]].
Similarly, ''complex societies'' redirects to ''complex society''.
 
In ''The Wind Waker'', the intro sequence had paintings with the language below it, and later in the game the whalelike creature [[Jabun]] spoke it to the [[King of Red Lions]]. Once the game is finished there is an option for a second quest, in this version of the game all Hylian speech is translated. In Japan, an explanation on the Hylian alphabet was printed on the back of the instruction manual, proving that the language is actually written like Japanese, but using different symbols.<ref>[[IGN]].com [http://cube.ign.com/articles/380/380104p1.html Article on Hylian]. Obtained [[May 28]], [[2007]].</</ref><ref>Omniglot.com [http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian2.htm ''The Wind Waker'' Hylian]. Obtained [[May 28]], [[2007]].</ref>
And a misnomer sometimes redirects to a correctly named article.
 
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]'', the language is represented by an alphabet based directly upon the [[Latin alphabet|Latin]] one, and the Hylian language in the game is in [[English language|English]]<ref>Omniglot.com [http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian3.htm ''Twilight Princess'' Hylian]. Obtained [[May 28]], [[2007]].</ref>. The script used in ''The Wind Waker'' is also used on tombstones in Kakariko Village Graveyard.
A software bug has been reported, which, if dealt with, will make a red link to appear when a link points to a pre-emptive redirect whose target does not yet exist. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 22:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
===Sheikah===
:Well, I rejected your specific points in their entirety. Sorry if you're not satisified that I remain unconvinced by your arguments. I still think making pre-emptive redirects to non-existent topics is a bad idea. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 23:37, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
The '''Sheikah''' were an ancient clan of [[ninja]]-like warriors that swore to protect the Hylian Royal Family, and were often referred to as the "shadows" of the Hylians<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''old man:''' "Have you heard the legend of the "Shadow Folk"? They are the Sheikah...the shadows of the Hylians. They say they swore allegiance to the King of Hyrule and guarded the Royal Family."</ref>. At the time of ''Ocarina of Time'', the only known surviving member of the tribe is [[Impa#Ocarina of Time|Impa]], Princess Zelda's nursemaid. Little is known of the tribe, but it has been implied (and is most likely) that the Sheikah were incredibly agile and had magical prowess similar to Hylians.
<gallery>
<small>Image:Impazeldaoot.jpg</13KB, MIME type: image/jpeg|Impa, the only known survivor of the Sheikah race, as seen in Ocarina of Time.
</gallery>From the few appearances the Sheikah have made in the series, we can assume that the Sheikah had red eyes, as both Impa in the ''Ocarina of Time'' and Zelda in her Sheikah guise do. Impaz from ''Twilight Princess'', who is implied to be a descendant of Impa from ''Ocarina of Time'', also has red eyes, though it is not explained whether or not she is truly a Sheikah.
 
====Notable Sheikah====
::Where did you give your arguments? I haven't seen them. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 02:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
* '''[[Impa]]'''
<!-- Sheik is disguised as a Sheikah, and is not claimed to be an actual member -->
 
===Wind Tribe===
:::My "arguments", such as they are, appear in the section immediately preceding this one. I really don't make any argument per se, more like stating my opinion and agreeing with what others had said. My primary objections are 1) the red link problem which is quite serious and should not be defered upon the hope of a someday technical fix; 2) If you really think there should be an article with a specific name, then create a stub for it rather than simply creating a redirect to a non-existant topic; 3) Your rewording of the policy is [[m:Instruction creep|Instruction creep]]. The criteria at present is pretty straightforward. Adding conditions to it only makes more difficult to administer. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 03:12, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
The '''Wind Tribe''' is a group of humanoids who live inside the Tower of the Winds upon the Cloud Tops, as well as guarding the Palace of Winds in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]''. They used to populate the Wind Ruins, but moved to the Cloud Tops to escape the problems growing on the surface<!--I don't remember if this is the actual reason given, but it's close to what I remember-->. They claim to be very skilled in finding kinstones, and in fact have more than they can deal with. They can use the wind to travel, not needing anything like the parachute<!--Ezlo--> Link needs, and also say that they use their power over the wind to support their tower. These people seem to have later been expelled by [[Vaati]], since he is seen dwelling in the Palace of Winds in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords]]'' and ''[[Four Swords Adventures]]''.
 
==Keaton==
::::That often cannot be done. For example, I know enough to know that ''Eastern Sudanic'' should redirect to ''Eastern Sudanic languages'', but I could not posisbly write even a stub article about that. A Wikipedian could easily know, from having read a variety of instances, that ''coupled harmonic oscillator'' is not one of those phrases that are always plural, so the plural should redirect to the singular, but may not know whether the topic is physics or music or New-Age philosophy. Such a person could not possibly write a stub on that topic, but could easily write a valuable pre-emptive redirect. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 01:01, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Keaton.JPG|thumb|A Keaton as seen in ''Majora's Mask'']]
'''Keatons''' are magical, yellow foxes with multiple, black-tipped tails, black-tipped ears, and slanted, closed eyes. Their design is based on that of the mythical [[kitsune]]. Keatons recognize each other by the sheen of their tails.<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Keaton:''' "We Keatons can recognize our own by the sheen of our tails."</ref>
 
Keatons made their first appearance in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]''. Link could participate in a sidequest which included selling the "Keaton Mask", which displayed a Keaton's face, to a soldier guarding the pass to [[Places in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Death Mountain|Death Mountain]]. The guard claims that the mask is for his son (though the guard wears it for the duration of the game), and that the Keaton is "a popular character". Many media at first claimed that this was a reference to [[Pikachu]], though this was never verified.
This so called bug does exactly what I'd expect it to do. Have any of the developers acknowledged it is a bug? [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] 02:21, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 
The Keaton Mask appears again in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', where it is used by [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Kafei|Kafei]] to disguise himself. By helping Kafei with his troubles, Link can obtain the mask for himself, allowing him to use it to lure out a (figuratively) real Keaton that hides in various clumps of bushes. Though this Keaton laughs at Link for his feeble attempt to trick it, it challenges Link with a short quiz that, if answered correctly, will reward Link with valuable prizes.
:Last I heard, it's "open", i.e., they haven't made their decision yet. I have given them various reasons why pre-emptive redirects are important, so that this should be treated as a bug. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 02:48, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap|The Minish Cap]]'', Keatons are bipedal, fox-like enemies that appear in yellow and violet hues. They attack by dashing at Link and using knives.
'''I've just noticed that my critics and I were both mistaken about what the long-standing policy actually says.''' What confused us was that the emphasis in the statement of the policy was misleading. Read the paragraph starting with "However" after item #6 at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion]]. In view of the list of exceptions in the paragraph beginning with "However...", I've revised item 6 at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion]] in a way that is really just a changed in emphasis and I hope will avoid some rash deletions-without-due-deliberation. It now reads as follows:
 
==Kokiri==
:#6. If the redirect points to an article that does not exist and does not help avoid the accidental creation of [[Wikipedia:Duplicate articles|duplicate articles]], it can be [[wikipedia:candidates for speedy deletion|deleted immediately]]; '''but first''' you should check whether there is an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected, and whether any of the exceptions noted below are applicable.
[[Image:Kokiri Males.png|thumb|right|Male Kokiri]]
'''Kokiri''' are a [[humanoid]] [[fairy]] folk from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' who inhabit the [[Kokiri Forest]]. Cautious, child-like, and secretive, the Kokiri believe that they will die if they leave the forest<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Kokiri boy:''' "The Great Deku Tree said that if a Kokiri leaves the woods, he or she will die!"</ref> (this is seemingly contradicted by the Kokiri appearing in the [[Lon Lon Ranch#Lon Lon Ranch|Lon Lon Ranch]] in one scene, however; it is implied in other ways that this misinformation has been fed to them by the [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series#Great Deku Tree|Great Deku Tree]], though it is possible that leaving the forest will only cause them to age normally and thus eventually die). Therefore, most Kokiri never leave the forest and know nothing about the outside world and instead, only the magics of the forest.
Though they resemble Hylian children, the Kokiri are ageless and never grow old. This idea could be influenced by the story of [[Peter Pan]], as he never grew old and had a guardian fairy watching over him. Each Kokiri has a guardian [[#Fairies|fairy]] that plays the role of friend, parent, guardian, and teacher. They are watched over by the Great Deku Tree, and later [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Saria|Saria]], the Sage of Forest, but [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Mido|Mido]] is their "boss". In the manga, it is claimed that Kokiri feed on the fruit of the forest.
 
The Kokiri were likely created by the Great Deku Tree<ref name="Deku Tree and Kokiri"/>. All Kokiri seen wear green tunics and have pointy ears, and the males wear green hats while the females have green headbands. There have been two records of Kokiri sages known to have aided the legendary hero [[Link (character)|Link]]. The first is Saria, the Sage of Forest in ''Ocarina of Time'' and [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Fado|Fado]], the Sage of Wind in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]''. Fado does not make an appearance in the [[Kokiri Forest]] in ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'' for some reason, but instead has a recycled name from another Kokiri who had the name first: a blonde, twin-bunned female on the large stump in the Kokiri Forest whose name isn't revealed in the game.
[[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 03:54, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
An interesting note is that all the given names of the Kokiri (excluding Saria, who was named after a town from ''[[Zelda II: The Adventure of Link]]'') are concatenated from two words from the [[solfege]] musical scale "do re mi fa so la ti do." Mido = Mi + Do, Fado = Fa + Do, etc.
: The [[WP:RFD]] does not define speedy deletion criteria. I have updated that page to point here exclusively. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 04:11, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
 
It is hinted in ''The Wind Waker'' that the Kokiri have become the [[#Koroks|Koroks]], due to statements by the Great Deku Tree<ref name="Kokiri forms">''The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker'', '''Great Deku Tree:''' "Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks
==Undelete a page...==
took on human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes."</ref> and Fado<ref name="Fado">''The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker'', '''Fado:''' "Once you do, I'm certain the holder of the instrument will feel the blood of the sages awaken within his veins."</ref>. The words "Kokiri" and "Korok" are also very similar.
If a user has accidentally listed a page for speedy deletion how would that user go about undoing his mistake? The page in question is [[Wikipedia:Once upon a time...]] [[User:Jaberwocky6669|Jaberwocky6669]] 03:37, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 
===Notable Kokiri===
:Hi! To undelete, all you have to do is revert the page to its previous content. Pages filed for [[WP:SD|speedy deletion]] aren't manually listed anywhere; it's the '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' template that adds them to a category. --[[User:Fbriere|Fbriere]] 04:30, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Saria|'''Saria''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Mido|'''Mido''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Fado|'''Fado (Ocarina Of Time)''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Fado|'''Fado (The Wind Waker)''']]
 
==Koroks==
:This is not actually undeleting (which only sysops can do; see [[Wikipedia:Viewing and restoring deleted pages by sysops]] for further information). If you've listed something for speedy deletion and it hasn't been deleted yet, simply revert it to its previous content. If it's already been deleted, then leave a note for the sysop who deleted it (which will be recorded in [[Special:Log/delete]], and s/he will probably be kind enough to undelete it for you. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 04:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Koroks.jpg|190px|thumb|Koroks]]
'''Koroks''' are a race from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker]]''. They come from an area called the Forest Haven, but spend most of their lives away from it.
They have wooden-like bodies (somewhat similar to [[#Deku|Deku Scrubs]]) and wear what look like masks made from various types of leaves. Koroks are very light, and can travel on the wind by using sprouts as propellers.
 
Most Koroks actually spend most of their lives far away from Forest Haven, planting the seeds of the Great Deku Tree; they only return to Forest Haven once a year, for an annual ceremony held when the Great Deku Tree bears seeds so they can take off again. They plant these seeds in the hope that a large forest will grow, helping to raise the land back above the Great Sea.<!--quotation needed - the text dump or quote faq is available on gamefaqs--> The only Koroks that do not leave are Makar (who plays his violin at the ceremony) and Hollo (who studies potion-making and uses Boko Baba Seeds to concoct his brews).
:If asking the deleting sysop fails, try [[Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion]]. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 06:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 
In ''The Wind Waker'', The Great Deku Tree states that the Koroks once had different forms<ref name="Kokiri forms"/>, and Makar (a Korok) is claimed by the Kokiri sage Fado to be his descendant<ref name="Fado"/> (However, the japanese version places "descendant" in the context of a successor of the line of Sages, rather than a true relative). This would strongly imply that they are a more natural manifestation of the Kokiri.
== Speedy criterion: "non-notable" ==
:''retitled from "Vanity/non-notability" by [[User:Xiong|Xiong]]
I see that someone has attempted to emphasize that "vanity" and "non-notability" are not criteria for deletion, and there have been two reversions of that statement. I think it's worth pointing out that pages are continually being speedy deleted as vanity, and frankly a lot of them are obviously <s>vanity</s> about completely non-famous people and would just clog up Votes for Deletion. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 19:14, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
===Notable Koroks===
: Pages ''are'' speedied on these grounds, but this is incorrect. These grounds are too subjective to allow speedy to operate here. "Vanity" is a loaded word. Who is "notable"? Which one of us is truly important? A Martian might think no human was any more interesting than any other; a Chinese peasant might think the village headman was notable. Some say every human person is notable enough to mention here. Others disagree. There is way too much gray area here.
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Makar|'''Makar''']]
 
==Merfolk==
: Speedy is for obvious, non-controversial deletes -- things anyone of sense can agree on immediately -- patent nonsense, technical reasons, mistakes, deliberately and pointlessly offensive, etc.
<!--Description should be first, then question their existence, then describe appearances-->
It is not clear whether the '''Merfolk''' really exist. In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening|Link's Awakening]]'', Link met a Mermaid named Martha (located in Martha's bay). For returning her necklace, she gave him one of her scales, which could be used on a statue of a mermaid. However, it should be noted that ''Link's Awakening'' was a dream, and therefore, Martha is not real. Since it is unclear whether Koholint and its inhabitants are completely made up by the sleeping Wind Fish or rather are part of its memories, it is not certain whether they really exist. Merfolk don't appear in any other game, but they are referenced in the Mermaid's Suit item and Mermaid's Cave dungeon in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages|Oracle of Ages]]''.
 
===Notable Merfolk===
: Speedy must not be used as a "snap shot" against a page with which one does not agree. Either it succeeds because the creator isn't watching that minute, which is sneaky; or it fails, in which case the adverse party tags it VfD at once, which is what he ought to have done in the first place.
*'''Martha'''
 
==Minish==
: Speedy is useful only so long as it is non-controversial. No admin wants to be the one who speedied an article to the Bit Bucket only to return to a war over the deletion. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Image:Xiong2char.png]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]] 00:52, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
'''Minish''' (known to Hyruleans as '''Picori''') first appeared in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]''. They are a tiny race smaller than the size of a thumb, who came from another world and later settled in Hyrule; this world can be reached once a century, when a door within [[Hyrule Castle]] courtyard opens. It is said that when monsters threatened mankind, the Minish gave a legendary sword and a golden light to a courageous man, now known as the Hero of Men, destined to ward off the monsters. They have faded into a [[Santa Claus]]-like myth over the past centuries, with parents telling children that they are only seen by good, well behaved children, and most adults doubting their existence. However, the Royal Family of Hyrule guards the secret that the Minish do exist, and that they have small societies all over Hyrule that are accessible via shrinking portals. Most of the Minish in Hyrule came from the first portal opening and seem uninterested in returning to their world. The Minish' goal is to please humans; hence they stay in Hyrule to help humans with day to day tasks such as [[shoe making]] and bread [[baking]]. It is also explained that the Minish place objects under rocks and weeds to "please people", which explains how the objects such as Rupees and items appeared under these objects during the series. There are several different types of Minish, defined by where they live.
 
===Types of Minish===
=== Poll: Speedy criterion: "non-notable" ===
*Forest Minish - They are the most common type of Minish found in Hyrule. They delight in making humans happy by hiding helpful items and Rupees under grass and rocks all over Hyrule. They also harvest Pico Blooms and leave them where humans can find them (human use the Pico Bloom's nectar to make Picolyte). Forest Minish often wear red caps. Some Forest Minish appear to wear clothes made from grass & leaves, others do not. Some also appear to have feather-like tails.
*Town Minish - These Minish like humans so much that they moved from Minish Village into Hyrule Castle Town itself. They make their homes in the rafters and walls of buildings in the Town of Hyrule. They try to make humans happy, though it sometimes backfires. Some even work alongside humans (usually without their knowledge), like in Rem's Shoe Store (a reference to the folkloric myth of small fairies or brownies helping cobblers in the night). In Wheaton & Pita Bakery, the Town Minish may be responsible for the Kinstones sometimes being found in the Bakery's pastries. Town Minish wear clothes made from fibers. Their clothes come in different colors, the most common of which is blue. Other colors include: Red, Brownish-green, & pink. The rarest color (according to one Minish) is yellow. Town Minish also don't seem to have a feather-like tail at all.
*Mountain Minish - A rare type of Minish that live in Mount Crenel. There are seven Mountain Minish, excluding their leader Melari. These seven Minish are the students of Melari that followed him from their home in Minish Village to Mount Crenel so they could be closer to the iron ore they use in their metallurgy. As a result their lives revolve around mining ore & working with metal. They seem to wear eye-protectors and appear to be much stronger than other Minish. They seem to enjoy singing while they work.
*Otherworld Minish/Ancient Picori - Are a type of Minish that live in a world that exists outside the world of Hyrule. All the Minish that exist in Hyrule are descended from this group of Minish, as the Minish themselves are not of Hyrulean origin. These Minish were responsible for the creation of both the legendary Picori Blade & the Mythical Light Force. They seem extremely knowledgeable in magic and ways to combat evil. None of these Minish appear in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]''. The ancestral Picori (Minish) are honored once a year in Hyrule during the Picori Festival.
 
===Notable Minish===
'''Shall the assertion that the subject of an article is "non-notable" be grounds for speedy deletion?'''
*'''[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap#Ezlo|Ezlo]]'''
*[[Vaati|'''Vaati''']]
 
==Oocca==
Poll is open. 00:55, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
[[Image:Z15item oocoo2.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Concept art of the Oocca race]]
:''NB This pole was created by [[User:Xiong|Xiong]] who opposes the measure proposed (as do I) [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 18:12, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
The '''Oocca''' have yellowish Cucco-like bodies with pale-white, human-like heads. Oocca children look like human heads with wings in place of where the ears would be. They were first introduced in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]]''.
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Support:
# Absolutely. We don't care about your grandmother, your dog, or that oak tree in your backyard. [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not a phone book]]. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 01:12, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
# '''Weak support'''. I sometimes clear out entries from [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]], and anything that looks like a vanity article, except perhaps the most blatantly ordinary cases, or abusive articles, I move to VfD. I moved a dog obituary to Vfd a few weeks ago rather than speedy it (it was a particularly moving dog obituary). Frankly, I would like to have a little more discretion available to me in deleting vanity articles, but this proposal does need more definition. What would be better would be a proposal that articles which didn't '''establish notability''' could be speedied, ie an article which says "Fred Dagg is a high school student at blah and his interests are blah". Any article about someone who might make the pages of their local newspaper should go through Vfd rather than being speedied, and that might include professors, businesspeople and criminals. Someone who is a student, a website contributor, or who seems particularly attractive to the person writing the article should be speedied if that's the only justification given for the article existing.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 02:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# Subject, of course, to common sense and discretion, and only for articles with no history. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 04:30, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# If the administrator has any doubt, or feels it might be controversial, then they should excercise their discretion. Just because something ''can'' be speedily deleted, doesn't mean it ''must'' be speedily deleted. If necessary, the articles can eb undeleted anyway [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
The Oocca dwell in the City in the Sky, located in [[Hyrule|Hyrule's]] sky. However, the Oocca don't seem to maintain nor to have created the city for it doesn't seem to be designed for them (although, since they seem to walk on walls just as well as on the floor, this doesn't seem to pose a noticeable problem) and the Oocca [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Ooccoo|Ooccoo]] could only return there with Link's help-or, more specifically, the broken-down cannon Link located and subsequently had repaired by Fyer. It is implied by [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Shad|Shad]] in ''Twilight Princess'', that the Oocca were the "Sky People" who were the first race created by the Goddesses, and in turn created the Hylians. These Sky People also had good relations with the Hylian Royal Family, and had given the Family the Dominion Rod, which Ooccoo claims is the most advanced of their technology.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}
Oppose:
# [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 01:23, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) I could support this ''only'' if someone can come up with a clear bright-line definition of ''extreme'' non-notability, as exemplified by "your grandmother, your dog, or that oak tree in your backyard" and if the policy applied only to these extreme cases. We do speedy what might be called "incoherent substub vanity pages" under the rubric of "newbie test" and that's fine. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 01:23, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# No. I've changed my mind on this. Notability encourages beauty contests. We end up deleting perfectly verifiable, fully referenced, useful information that nobody can find in Google, simply because nobody is at hand during the VfD to make the case for keeping. We already have a verifiability criterion, and that's enough. If I write a fully referenced, verifiable article on something you have never heard of and are not interested in, you're welcome to go and read something else. The fact that it's verifiable means I'm not making it up and someone else is interested in it. Is it just me and my mate with a website? Fine, delete it. Verifiability is a hard criterion, not something that can be finessed. '''Non-notable is not even an accepted criterion for VfD'''. Making it speediable is silly. It would mean I'd have to spend half an hour every day grubbing through the speedies in case an admin accidentally deleted something good. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 01:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
#:Hate to steer this off course, but who would have to "accept" non-notability before it was a valid VfD reason? Doesn't the fact that many, many people vote based on notability show that there's a good deal of support for deleting non-notable articles? I don't support adding it as a speedy criteria, but I certainly think it can be a valid reason to vote delete. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 05:51, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
#:: Who would have to accept? I should think that we'd have to accept it by consensus. Non-notability isn't a reason to delete (ie not in the deletion policy) and there is no established consensus on it. It may well be that we could adopt it here and now by consensus, but that would be a different matter. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 11:29, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
#:::Go forth then, and start striking out VfD votes, if you don't think there is a consensus to "accept" non-notable votes. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 18:31, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
#:::: It doesn't follow. People are at liberty to cite any reason they like when they list an item on VfD (that is, there is no consensus that items to be deletable *must* fall within the deletion policy), and those who vote are not required to restrict their considerations only to the deletion policy. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 19:09, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 01:48, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC) Too much room for controversy.
# Oppose. Many, if not most, deletions are due to non-notable content, and this might streamline the process, BUT a speedy deletion process might not allow for enough time to discuss whether an article is non-notable (there are often disagreements). [[User:Paradiso|Paradiso]] 01:50, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# We can't even get consensus on vfd that "non-notable" is a valid reason cause for non-speedy deletion, and it's shown there several times every day that two people aren't enough to determine whether a given subject is notable. Like Dpbsmith, though, I'd be in favor of legitimizing speedying of extreme cases (as is already done quite frequently anyway). &mdash;[[User:Korath|Korath]] ([[User talk:Korath|Talk]]) 02:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
# Oppose. Notability is too subjective for a speedy deletion criteria. I agree with dpbsmith that the most extreme sorts of non-notability are currently speedily deleted under other criteria without too much problem. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 03:18, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
# Oppose. It can be a criteria for VfD nomination but is too controversial for speedy. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] [[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]] 04:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# While I believe subjective criteria have their place, they need to be held in check through the actions of other editors. Speedy deletions generally only involve one or maybe two people. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 05:30, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# Nope. I wish every admin could be trusted to make the right decision about notability, but I am sure this would be abused. Needs to go through a full VfD. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 05:48, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
#*I'd say "mistaken", rather than "abused", but I agree about trust.[[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 05:51, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# Oppose. In general, the idea is good, and in 80-95% (whatever) people do agree that a particular article is non-notable. But the remaining percentage failed votes for deletion that claimed nonnotability is large enough, showing that this criterion is a bit vague. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 05:51, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
#Oppose. The criterion is stupidly subjective, notability isn't even a valid VFD reason, and we get enough stuff nominated for VFD where the nominator measures human knowledge by the breadth of their own ignorance or inability to work Google. There are no good points to this incredibly awful idea - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 09:44, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# Oppose. At the very least this needs a clear-cut defenition, in which it's patently clear what articles (dog & grandma for example) are included. There's too big a chance someone without knowledge of a subject walks by and speedies something, just because they don't know it. I'd hate to see what would happen to some [[West End]] theater actors (f.e. [[Ben Watton]]) if this would be implemented. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:47, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
# Oppose. Articles on non-notabe subjects should be deleted, and I've VfD a few in my time. But the decision is seldom so clear cut that they could be Speedy deleted. It often takes several days for the article creator to notice a VfD tag. It needs time for reflection. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 14:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
# I've said it before (at [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Matthew Alford]] for example) and I'll say it again here. Although there are many cases where an vanity article or article on a non-notable subject garners no "keep" opinions at all, enough vanity pages have been rescued from deletion as rewrites, name disambiguations, and whatnot, to show that two editors are not enough. And there ''is no'' simple test for telling ahead of time what will be deleted, that can be turned into a speedy deletion criterion. The ''normal'' deletion mechanism should be used for such articles. Expansion of the speedy deletion criteria to cover "obvious" vanity and unimportance is argued on the grounds that the normal deletion process requires the attention of more editors. However, the fact that normal deletion causes more editors to review vanity and non-notable articles is precisely the point. Two editors are not enough. I have been removing speedy deletion tags applied for reasons of vanity and unimportance, where no other speedy deletion criterion applies, advising editors to take the articles through the normal deletion process if they want the article deleted. '''No.''' [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 15:08, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
# Oppose: people often make the mistake of thinking something is non-notable whose notability is promptly established on VfD. Also, this would be an invitation for exclusionists to remove swathes of material claiming that it is (in their view) non-notable. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 00:49, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 
It is possible that they are not actually the Sky People, as Shad never actually describes their appearance or sees one face to face - the Oocca may merely be inhabiting the Sky People's home.
'''Comment''' A recent data point. [[Jessamyn West]] was recently nominated for deletion. And, by the way, I have no problem with the '''nomination''' whatsoever. The entire content of the article when nominated "Jessamyn West, AKA the Rarin Librarian. One of Library Journal's Mover & Shakers, West is best known for her 'blog, librarian.net." The question I'm asking is: if non-notability were a CSD, would this article have been at risk for speedy deletion? Because it turns out that a) there is a clearly notable author named Jessamyn West on whom, for some reason, we had no article, and b) on investigation, I'm inclined to think that the activist librarian herself is probably notable, too.
 
They may be inspired by the birds in the print ''[[Another World (M. C. Escher)|Another World]]'' by [[M. C. Escher]]
But before wringing hands too much over this possibility, it's worth noting that '''had''' the article been speedy deleted it would not have been a epic tragedy. I don't think it would have impeded creation of an article on the Indiana Quaker novelist, and the activist librarian could have been VfUed. Good-faith mistakes and accidents are usually corrected without much dispute or animosity.
 
===Notable Oocca===
But it does show how things can crop up. In the case of "notability," it sometimes takes a certain level of expertise to recognize a person as being notable, and five days and a chance for more than one person to participate in the decision is not a bad thing. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 15:12, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Ooccoo and Ooccoo Jr.|'''Ooccoo''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Ooccoo and Ooccoo Jr.|'''Ooccoo Jr.''']]
 
==Rito==
:You're missing an important point: bogus deletion might not impede the recreation of an article, but it ''will'' be a bitter introduction to Wikipedia for the article's original author. When the deletion is bogus anyway we might not care, but being told "your article is worthless" ''and'' it being a bogus statement of worthlessness does put editors off even bothering. VFD and CSD are Wikipedia's immune system, and of fantastic importance - I just did a [[Special:Newpages]] patrol and it was about fifty percent clearly speedyable ''utter shit'' - but I submit that putting editors off contributing in the first place is not really the right solution - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Normal quill.jpg|thumb|right|185px|List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Quill|Quill, an adult, male Rito]]
The '''Rito''' (or "Bird People") are a race of bird-like humanoids in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker]]''. Their main dwelling is on [[Dragon Roost Island]], where all known Rito live. A tribal elder acts as the leader, of who has numerous followers and elaborately dressed guards. They could be related to the [[Races of The Legend of Zelda series#Zoras|Zoras]] of ''[[Ocarina of Time]]''. Rito are adept flyers and are capable of great speeds. Full-grown Rito can transport humanoids for a short time
 
No Rito is born with wings. The chick (as a wingless Rito child is called) must journey to the tribes' guardian deity, the great dragon [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Valoo|Valoo]], to attain one of his scales which enables the Rito to grow wings. It is treated as a coming-of-age ceremony among the Rito to journey to the great Valoo to receive a scale.
::You're right. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 23:49, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 
Rito are viewed by outsiders quite dubiously. Some Rito have an inscrutable intolerance directed towards them. Still, Rito are widely accepted among Hyruleans as mail carriers, as only they can traverse the seas without the aid of cumbersome ships.
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The Rito are somewhat similar to the Watarara race of the ''Zelda'' manga (which are considered non-canon). The Waterara had a similar gaining of wings past a certain age and the same chieftain leadership structure.
=== Temporary measure ===
 
In ''The Wind Waker'', a Rito named [[Medli]] tells [[Link (character)|Link]] that the Rito were once without wings. It is also revealed in ''The Wind Waker'' that she is a descendant of the Zora [[Wise Old Man|sage]] Laruto. However, in the Japanese text of ''The Wind Waker'', "descendant" is not used in the context of a direct derivative.
The poll is still open, but it seems that considerable opposition exists to the criterion. The grounds given by Kappa for his deletions to policy (deleting the notice that this criterion is not policy) were that this criterion ''is'' policy. That point appears to be debatable, and during the debate, I suggest it is unwise to take action difficult to reverse on its basis.
 
The word "Rito" may be an anagram of "tori", the Japanese word for "bird."
As a temporary measure, I restore the deleted notice to this policy page. The poll is still open, and there is always the possibility of a groundswell of support for this criterion, at which time we can figure out What To Do Next. Meanwhile, I ask that the notice remain. &mdash; [[User:Xiong|Xiong]][[Image:Xiong2char.png]][[User talk:Xiong|talk]] 09:22, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
 
*I'd like to point out that I didn't make any "deletions to policy", and that this poll was not my idea. [[User:Kappa|Kappa]] 12:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
===Notable Rito===
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Medli|'''Medli''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Prince Komali|'''Prince Komali''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Quill|'''Quill''']]
 
==Skull Kids==
The '''Skull Kids''' are a race that appear in the [[Lost Woods]] in ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'', ''[[Majora's Mask]]'', and in the Sacred Grove in ''[[Twilight Princess]]''. They are suggested (by [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Navi|Navi]]<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Navi:''' "Is this what happens to kids who wander into the forest? It looks like he doesn't like grownups."</ref><ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Navi:''' Is this what happens to kids who get lost in the forest? He might be our friend if we do something...</ref>) to be what Kokiri become if they get lost in the woods and can't get back out. She also describes them as "unhappy to have no face"<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Navi:''' Is this what happens to kids who get lost in this forest? He seems unhappy to have no face...</ref>. However, Skull Kids are not the only possible example of creatures being warped by Kokiri Forest; according to a young Kokiri that Link meets on one of his sidequests, people become [[Stalfos]] when they get lost in the forest<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', '''Fado:''' "Anybody who comes into the
forest will be lost. Everybody will become a Stalfos. Everybody, Stalfos."</ref>, and in ''Four Swords Adventures'', the [[#Deku|Dekus]] claim that getting lost will turn someone into one of them. Both the Skull Kid in ''Majora's Mask'' and the one in ''Twilight Princess'' are described as "[[imp]]s"<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Happy Mask Salesman:''' "During my travels, a very important mask was stolen from me by an imp in the woods."</ref>
 
The most famous Skull Kid is [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Skull Kid|The Skull Kid]] from ''Majora's Mask'', who is possessed by [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Majora|Majora's Mask]] and is the friend of two [[#Fairies|Fairies]] named [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Tatl and Tael|Tatl and Tael]]. This Skull Kid said that Link smells like the fairy boy who knew Saria's song in ''Ocarina of Time''<ref>''The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask'', '''Skull Kid:''' "Eh-hee-hee...You have the same smell as the fairy kid who taught me that song in the woods..."</ref>, suggesting that he is one of the Skull Kids Link could meet in that game.
 
In ''Twilight Princess'', a Skull Kid is the guardian of the [[Places in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Sacred Grove|Sacred Grove]], and Link must play a game of hide-and-seek with it twice in order to advance in the game. The Skull Kid in this game bears a trumpet instead of a flute, and blows it to summon minions called Puppets, of which there seems to be an unlimited amount. The ''Twilight Princess'' Skull Kid also has a purple, leathery face, with red eyes and a scarecrow-like visage, while the ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''Majora's Mask'' Skull Kids have simple wooden faces with glowing yellow features that seem to be merely outlines.
 
===Notable Skull Kids===
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Skull Kid|'''Skull Kid (Majora's Mask)''']]
 
==Subrosians==
[[Image:Subrosian.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A Subrosian]]
'''Subrosians''' are a mysterious race from the subterranean world of Subrosia, featured in the game ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons]]''. They have large, glowing eyes, and always wear hooded cloaks, somewhat like [[Jawas]]. In Subrosia, their currency is "[[ore]] chunks" instead of rupees. They are nearly impervious to heat, and can often be seen "hot-tubbing" in lava pools. Subrosians also do a dance called the Subrosian Dance. If one does the Subrosian Dance well he can win many prizes such as a [[Boomerang]] and the Strange flute. They find outsiders strange and sometimes do not even understand their [[Logic]].
The world of Subrosia is connected to the land of Holodrum through a number of vortex-looking ''[[Portal (fiction)|portals]]''. The Temple of Seasons, which was thought to vanish when [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Onox|Onox]] made it sink into the ground, was instead to be found in Subrosia. Link must return to this temple four times in order to complete the quest.
In Subrosia there is a Smithy where Subrosians combine Blue Ore and Red Ore to create Hard Ore, a rare raw material used to make special items such as an Iron Shield. They supposedly reappear in the [[Mogitate Chinkuru no Barairo Ruppi Rando|Tingle RPG]].
 
===Notable Subrosians===
 
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Rosa|'''Rosa''']]
 
==Tokay==
[[Image:Tokay2.gif|right|thumb|140px|Tokay]]
'''Tokay''' are a race of lizard people who live on an island off the coast of Labrynna. The name 'Tokay' is derived from a species of gecko. They value possessions and are often quite deceitful.
Tokays steal the player's items when Link becomes shipwrecked on their island in the ''[[Oracle of Ages]]''. In order to retrieve his stolen items, Link plays minigames and trades with the Tokays. Because they have never been off Crescent Island, they think that outsiders are tokay as well (They refer to Link as a "Strange Tokay").
The Tokay once played a game called Wild Tokay, where one person throws chunks of meat to a number of passing Tokay. A prize was to be given to the player if he managed to throw meat to each of the Tokay.
 
==Twili==
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The '''Twili''' (derived from [[twilight]]) are descendants of a tribe of sorcerers that attempted to seize control of the [[Sacred Realm]] after the creation of the [[Triforce]]. They were seized by the three Goddesses, Din, Nayru, and Farore, with the aid of the [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Light Spirits|Light Spirits]], and banished to a [[limbo]] known as the Twilight Realm. This event is actually the first and ultimate reason that made the Gods seal the Triforce in the Sacred Realm so no evil would be able to cover the world with eternal darkness with use of the "ultimate power". Over a long period of time, the Twili have evolved from their original forms to a unique, black and white, gentle-looking race. Two major characters of ''Twilight Princess'', [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Zant|Zant]] and [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Midna|Midna]], are members of this race. During Zant's quest for kingship, many of the Twili were transformed into monsters, leaving Link to revert those still capable of becoming Twili to their normal selves. In this form their skin is mostly black with markings on their bodies reminiscient of patterns seen in the Twilight Realm. Their faces, necks, and chests tend to be gray in a marked contrast to the rest of their bodies. The Twili have a stretched appearance, with long limbs, necks, and heads, and great variances in overall height and girth. It also appears that common Twili are incapable of speaking Hylian (the primary language of those who dwell in Hyrule) and appear to only be able to utter a moan when Link draws near.
 
===Notable Twili===
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Midna|'''Midna''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Zant|'''Zant''']]
 
==Yeti==<!-- This section is linked from [[Bosses in The Legend of Zelda series]] -->
The '''[[Yeti]]''' live in the cold northern regions of Hyrule. They were first introduced in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|Twilight Princess]]''.
 
Yetis are covered in white fur except on their faces, hands and feet, which are a bluish gray color on males and brown on females. Male Yeti are about twice the height of an average ''Zelda'' humanoid and have a large, beaver-like tail. The males are very strong and can easily floor a Hyrulean. The only known female Yeti, named Yeta, is much closer to average Hyruleans in size (which could be because she is rather young, implied by Midna referring to her as a girl). She has no tail or visible arms and her body is droopy, similar in appearance to a sweater (however, Yeta could merely be wrapped in a blanket, as she is rather sick when Link first encounters her).
 
Yeti influently speak Hylian. They are generally kindhearted and generous. They also claim to enjoy snowboarding down Snowpeak.
 
===Notable Yeti===
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Yeto and Yeta|Yeta]]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Yeto and Yeta|Yeto]]
 
==Zoras==
[[Image:ZoraTP.jpg|thumb|200px|right|A Zora in ''Twilight Princess''. {{deletable image-caption}}]]
'''Zoras''' (Originally "Zolas", see [[Engrish]]) were originally fire-breathing aquatic enemies that appeared in the earlier, two-dimensional games of the series. With the arrival of ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'', Zoras were reintroduced as a more intelligent, [[anthropomorphic]] race of peaceful creatures with a developed culture and society. As of ''[[Oracle of Ages]]'', official terminology has been defined to differentiate the two species; the hostile enemies are known as "river Zoras" and the kindly [[humanoid]]s are called "sea Zoras" (in the 3D Zelda games, [[Octoroks]] often serve the same purpose as the river Zoras). It is generally accepted that "Zora" refers to sea Zoras, as they are the more prominent of the two species, whereas river Zoras have been given other names such as "Zora's spawn" or "[[enemies in The Legend of Zelda series#Zola|Zolas]]". The ''Oracle'' games are the only two games to feature both river and sea Zoras, and elaborate on the difference between them.
 
===Biology===
Zoras resemble other [[marine biology|marine creatures]] in their body structure. Most of them wear no clothes, but certain members of their species do wear clothing, or (as shown by the guards in Twilight Princess) a helmet that completely encases their head. They are generally covered in silver [[scale (zoology)|scale]]s, which give them a pale blue sheen from a distance, and they have dark blue spots on their extremities. Where humans might have long hair, average Zoras have rear-hanging [[caudal]] extensions of their heads shaped like the tails of [[dolphin]]s, perhaps as a [[cephalization|cephalized]] form of [[dorsal fin]]. These tails undulate periodically, which gives a Zora's head the unique semblance of a fish. In ''Twilight Princess'', the 'dorsal-like fins' appear to be much smaller. Zoras have two large [[ulna]]r fins located [[distal]]ly on their forearms, and some have smaller fins at their ankles. They are sometimes depicted as having webbed feet and hands. They lack ears in the traditional sense, but do have pronounced noses. In previous games in the series, Zoras had no visible [[gills]], yet could breathe underwater, but in ''[[Twilight Princess]]'', Zoras had gills on their abdomen, analogous to the placement of [[lungs]] on a human. As with [[#Deku Scrubs|Deku Scrubs]] and [[#Gorons|Gorons]], Zoras who are important to the storyline are physically distinct from the general public.
 
The gender of common Zoras is not well defined in the video games, as their physical appearance is not wholly conclusive on the matter. [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Princess Ruto|Princess Ruto]] and Lulu are notably female, having distinctly rounder body features and the fact that Lulu was married and Ruto wanted to be married to Link. The Zora Queen (Queen Rutela) in ''Twilight Princess'' is also female. Her appearance is different from that of Princess Ruto as she lacks Ruto's wide head and extra eyes. Her head and face are much more humanoid (her overall appearance seems to be based off that of [[mermaid]]s), and she has what appear to be scale-like growths which give her the impression of having hair. She seems to have a distinct red coloration/aura, although she appears as a ghost and thus her coloration in life is not truly known. In ''Twilight Princess'', a Zora referred to as 'she' helps with the river boat-rental on the Zora River. This female Zora slightly appears to have a pinkish tint to her, perhaps to help clarify her gender. It is also noting that many of the Zoras encountered in ''Twilight Princess'' can be seen within a body of water, and their bodies eminate colorful glow, possibly a form of [[bioluminescence]], that the Zoras on land do not show (this may also be the case with the female Zora that helps run the Zora River's boat rental). '''Laruto''' the former Earth Sage in ''The Wind Waker'', who is also female isn't as noticeably female as Ruto or Rutela, though her dress indicates she is female. Many of the Zoras in ''Twilight Princess'' had female voice acting, though it was nondistinct. Also in ''Twilight Princess'' Prince Ralis is male and bears the same similarities to his fellow Zoras aside from being Zora royalty and thus having his own distinct appearance.
 
Certain other features of the Zoran anatomy are revealed when the player can inhabit the body of the Zora [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Mikau|Mikau]] in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]''. When [[Link (character)|Link]] assumes his streamlined Zoran form he can swim with great ease and agility, using his forearm fins to perform barrel rolls or to jump out of the water. Moreover, these fins are specialized for Link's fighting needs. They can grow larger to serve as sharp-edged weapons similar to swords, and even be projected as twin [[boomerangs]]; they retract again when not in use. Link's right fin also grows to become his shield when defending. Additionally, Zoras who possess magical power have the ability to create electric fields around their bodies as a defense mechanism when swimming, much like [[electric eel]]s. This ability has only been seen/used in Majora's Mask. All Zoras are powerful swimmers (in fact, powerful enough to swim up waterfalls).
 
It is also revealed in ''Majora's Mask'' that Zoras lay [[egg (biology)|egg]]s to reproduce. Zora eggs need to be kept in cold, clean water in order to develop healthily, and every egg from the same [[clutch (eggs)|clutch]] must be kept together in order for them to hatch. Newborn Zoras are [[tadpole]]-like with a circular body and a long, skinny tail ending in a [[fluke]]. There are occasions when Zoras fall in love with Hylians, as Ruto with Link, however it's still unknown if Zoras can breed with Hylians.
 
===Culture===
Zoran life revolves around [[water]], and though they can live both on land and in the water, they prefer the water. Beyond routine swimming and fishing activities, Zoras are very reverent and respectful to nature and other races while maintaining their own cultural identity in seclusion. In ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'', they possess the [[Zora's Sapphire]], the Spiritual Stone of Water, and are thus an integral part of [[Hyrule]]an history. Zoras are also known to enjoy music, such as the stylings of "[[The Indigo-Go's]]." It is also revealed in [[Twilight Princess]] that [[Kakariko Village]] is sacred to the Zora and that it is where all Zoras of royal descent go to be buried when they die.
 
Zoran government is [[monarchy|monarchial]]. [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#King Zora|King Zora]] was present in ''Ocarina of Time'', along with his daughter [[Princess Ruto]]. In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages|Oracle of Ages]]'' another King Zora ruled the local Zora population. In ''Twilight Princess'', the spirit of the former Zora Queen, named Queen Rutela, asks Link to find and save her son, Prince Ralis. Rutela also mentions that her husband, King Zora, died some time ago. Even the river Zoras are shown to have a monarchial system, as the first King Zora ever in series ([[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]]) was a river Zora. Among other details, the '''Zora Royal Family''' is responsible for maintaining order among their people, overseeing care for Jabu-Jabu (in ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''Oracle of Ages'') and assuring that the waters upon which he and all creatures rely are clean and pure.
 
Zoras honor [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Lord Jabu-Jabu|Lord Jabu-Jabu]], a giant fish, as their guardian and water spirit. As such, he is assigned attendants to feed him with smaller fish and care for his well-being, which Princess Ruto did in ''Ocarina of Time''. He is immensely large to the point that one could become lost in his innards, which function as a dungeon twice in the series. Jabu-Jabu's supposed incarnation in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'', [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Jabun|Jabun]], is likewise a revered water spirit and protector of the seas. However, the Zora race is absent from the game (except for the spirit of [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Laruto|Laruto]]), and Jabun only appears to give Link Nayru's Pearl and send him on his way.
 
===Locations===
Zoras have appeared in different places throughout the games of the series:
 
*In ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'', Zoras primarily reside in [[Zora's Domain]], while some appear in [[Places in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Lake Hylia|Lake Hylia]] where the [[Places in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Water Temple|Water Temple]] is situated. Although they do not reside in the sea, they are the type of Zora that later got known as sea Zoras. [[Princess Ruto]] and [[King Zora]] appear in this game as the royalty overseeing Zora's Domain. King Zora holds sway over the waterways of [[Hyrule]], notably [[Places in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Zora's River|Zora's River]], and made a concord with the king of Hyrule to keep the river pure in return for peaceful seclusion at its headwaters. [[Lord Jabu-Jabu]] lives within [[Zora's Fountain]], the source of Zora's River, with Princess Ruto as his dutiful caretaker.
 
*In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'', Zoras are found primarily in Zora Hall in the Great Bay, which is more of a [[concert hall]] (for the Indigo-Go's) than a [[residence]] like Zora's Domain. The Zoran royalty is absent in [[Termina]] and culture of the Hyrulean Zoras is not paralleled. It is possible that other Zoras and Zora homes are found further out in the bay or at sea, beyond the boundary of where Link can swim.
 
*In ''[[Oracle of Ages]]'', most Zoras live in Zora Village, a small underwater settlement in the western Zora Seas, which Link can access with the Mermaid Suit. In this village, King Zora rules from his underwater palace near where Jabu-Jabu is enshrined. In Present time, King Zora has perished due to [[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons#Veran|Veran]]'s poisonous bubbles on the sea. He is still alive in the Past, albeit gravely ill, while Jabu-Jabu is still a baby. In Link's quest for the [[Essence of Time|Essences of Time]], it is his duty to cure King Zora in the Past in order to be granted access to the mature Jabu-Jabu's belly in the Present. A few Zoras live outside of Zora Village, including a lone, elderly Zora in a grotto on the Coast of No Return and a Zora in a linked game of ''[[Oracle of Seasons]]'', who both provide items that help power up Link's arsenal. Notably the old Zora was the one to find Link's broken [[Weapons and items from The Legend of Zelda series#Noble Sword|Noble Sword]] and in the linked game, Zora royalty must also "sharpen" it to become the [[Master Sword]].
 
*In ''[[Twilight Princess]]'', Zoras again primarily reside in [[Zora's Domain]], while some appear in Lake Hylia. Although they do not reside in the sea, they are of the same species as the sea Zoras and are the only species of the two present in the game. Zoras are first seen as spirits when Link falls into the mostly dried out Lake Hylia, and it is later turned out that the rest have been frozen solid in Zora's Domain. Link eventually saves the Zoras from the ice, and meets the [[ghost]] of Rutela, a Zora Queen who was executed by [[Zant]]. She asks Link to save her injured son, Prince Ralis. Rutela then gives him the [[Weapons and items from The Legend of Zelda series#Zora Armor|Zora Armor]] as a reward, which is necessary to get into the Zora's sacred Lakebed Temple. After Zora's Domain thaws, some Zoras can be seen relaxing in the hot springs of [[Death Mountain]]. Like in ''Ocarina of Time'' and all other games the Zoras appeared in, there is only one model for unimportant males and females.
 
===Notable Zoras===
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Evan|'''Evan''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Japas|'''Japas''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#King Zora|'''King Zora''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker#Laruto|'''Laruto''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Lulu|'''Lulu''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Mikau|'''Mikau''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Prince Ralis|'''Prince Ralis''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time#Princess Ruto|'''Princess Ruto''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Rutela|'''Queen Rutela''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Tijo|'''Tijo''']]
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask#Toto|'''Toto''']]
 
==Zuna==
In ''[[Four Swords Adventures]]'', a green-skinned race that lived near the Gerudo but deeper into the desert was introduced. The name may be derived from "Suna," the Japanese word for "Sand." The Zunas' ancestors were the builders of the Pyramid and may be creators of the Trident of Power found inside the Pyramid. The inscription on the stone tablet behind the Trident shows that it was designed for evil purposes by an evil race. One of the maidens says to Link that a dark tribe tried to invade Hyrule, but were defeated and sealed inside the Dark Mirror, found inside the Temple of Darkness.
 
The Zunas' dress is quite different to that of the Gerudo: some of them wear white ankle-length cloaks and a white turban that has what appears to be a Roc's Feather sticking out of the top. Others wear red ankle-length cloaks that cover their mouths and a red turban that has a red headress hanging down from it. There is also a small white flower atop the red turban.
 
==See also==
*[[List of characters in The Legend of Zelda series]]
 
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