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|Years_active = 1992 - present
|Origin = [[Image:Flag of USA.svg|25px|US flag]] [[Tulsa, Oklahoma]],<br>
[[United States|USA]]
|Genre = [[Pop music|Pop]]<br>[[Pop rock]]
|Label = [[Universal Music Group|MCA Music, Inc.]]/[[Mercury Records|Mercury]] <small>(1995-1999)</small><br>[[Universal Music Group|MCA Music, Inc.]]/[[Island Records|Island]] <small>(1999-2003)</small><br>[[Sony BMG]]/[[3CG Records|3CG]] <small>(2003-present)</small><br></small>
|Current_members = [[Isaac Hanson]]<br>[[Taylor Hanson]]<br>[[Zac Hanson]]
|URL = http://www.hanson.net
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'''Hanson''' is an American [[pop rock]] [[Band (music)|band]] formed in [[Tulsa, Oklahoma|Tulsa]], [[Oklahoma]] by brothers '''[[Isaac Hanson|Clarke Isaac Hanson]]''' (Isaac "Ike") (born [[November 17]], [[1980]]), '''[[Taylor Hanson|Jordan Taylor Hanson]]''' (Taylor "Tay") (born [[March 14]], [[1983]]) and '''[[Zac Hanson|Zachary Walker Hanson]]''' (Zachary "Zac") (born [[October 22]], [[1985]]). They are best known for their 1997 hit song "[[MMMBop]]" from their major label debut album ''[[Middle of Nowhere (Hanson album)|Middle of Nowhere]]''.
==History==
===1992–1996: Early years===
Isaac, Taylor and Zac are the first three children of parents Clarke Walker Hanson (born [[June 1]], [[1954]]) and Diana Frances Hanson (maiden name Lawyer) (born [[April 30]], [[1954]]). The Hanson family also includes younger siblings Jessica Grace ([[July 31]], [[1988]]), Avery Laurel ([[November 4]], [[1990]]), Joshua Mackenzie, ([[January 7]], [[1994]]), and Zoë Genevieve ([[January 14]], [[1998]]).<ref>http://hansonnet.com</ref>
 
The band was originally called '''The Hanson Brothers'''. The three young boys sang [[a cappella]] and recorded songs like "[[Rockin' Robin (song)|Rockin' Robin]]", "[[Splish Splash (song)|Splish Splash]]" and "[[Johnny B. Goode]]", as well as their own material. Their first performance as a professional group took place in 1992 at the Mayfest Arts Festival in Tulsa.<ref name="official">{{cite book| last =Gollihare| first =Jarrod| coauthors = Jill Matthews| title =Hanson: The Official Book| publisher =Billboard Books| date = 1997| isbn=0823083233 }}</ref>
When placing evidence here, please be considerate of the Arbitrators and '''be concise'''. Long, rambling, or stream-of-consciousness rants are not helpful.
 
Hanson also appeared on [[Carman (singer)|Carman]]'s ''Yo! Kidz: The Vidz'', which included Taylor cast as a young Biblical [[David]] facing [[Goliath]], Isaac cast as an event announcer, and other members of the family including Zac in the stands cheering on this "sporting event".{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey, use this form: <nowiki>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anomalous_phenomenon&diff=5587219&oldid=5584644]</nowiki> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anomalous_phenomenon&diff=5587219&oldid=5584644].
 
[[Image:Hanson-band.JPG|right|thumb|Hanson on the cover of their commercial debut album ''[[Middle of Nowhere (Hanson album)|Middle of Nowhere]]'', released in 1997.]]
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The three boys all started out playing the piano. Taylor and Isaac formed the band, but needed one more player, so Zac entered the group.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} Later on, Isaac picked up a [[Used good|second-hand]] [[guitar]], Zac borrowed an old set of [[Drum kit|drum]]s, and Taylor became the keyboard player of what turned into a [[garage band]]. The band recorded two independent albums in their hometown of Tulsa, ''[[Boomerang (Hanson album)|Boomerang]]'' (recorded in [[autumn]] 1994, released in 1995) and ''[[MMMBop (album)|MMMBop]]'' (released in 1996). The latter featured the original version of the song "MMMBop", which would later become the runaway single on their debut commercial record ''Middle of Nowhere''. The boys then found themselves at the [[South By Southwest]] music festival for unsigned musicians in [[Austin, Texas]]. There, they were promptly signed by manager Christopher Sabec.<ref name="official"/> He shopped them to several record companies, most of which dismissed the band as either a novelty or fraud before [[Steve Greenberg]], an A&R representative for [[Mercury Records]], heard them play a set at the [[Kansas State Fair]]. After this performance, they were signed almost immediately by Mercury. They soon became a worldwide sensation with the release of their first major-label album, ''[[Middle of Nowhere (Hanson album)|Middle of Nowhere]]''.
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===1997–2000: Commercial success===
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''[[Middle of Nowhere (Hanson album)|Middle of Nowhere]]'' was released in the [[United States|U.S.]] on [[May 6]], [[1997]], which was declared 'Hanson Day' in Tulsa by Oklahoma's then-governor [[Frank Keating]]. <ref>[http://www.usaweekend.com/97_issues/970824/970824inside_hanson_mmmbop.html USA Weekly]</ref> Although 'Hanson Day' was originally intended to be a one-time occurrence, many Hanson fans all over the world still recognize [[May 6]] as Hanson Day every year. Hanson's popularity exploded during the summer of 1997, and [[Mercury Records]] released Hanson's first documentary ''Tulsa, Tokyo, and the Middle of Nowhere'' and their [[Christmas]] album ''[[Snowed In]]'' in the wake of their success. Hanson also launched ''MOE'' (which stood for Middle of Everywhere), a fan club magazine that ran for 12 issues. <ref>[http://www.itsincredible.com/band/cat?page=MOE+Magazine MOE Magazine]</ref> Following its cancellation, several fans created ''HTP'' (Hanson Tribute Project) Magazine in the same fashion as ''MOE'' until it was discontinued in the summer of 2005. [[Image:Hanson-thistimearound.jpg|left|thumb|Hanson's second commercial studio album ''[[This Time Around]]'', released in 2000.]] After numerous unauthorized biographies of each of the brothers were published, Hanson turned to their close friend, Jarrod Gollihare of Admiral Twin, to write their authorized biography. ''Hanson: The Official Book'' reached number 9 on the New York Times Best Sellers List (nonfiction) on [[February 1]], [[1998]]. <ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/01/bsp/bestpapernonfiction.html NYTimes.com]</ref> The band was nominated for three [[Grammy Award]]s in 1998: [[Grammy Award for Record of the Year|Record of the Year]], [[Grammy Award for Best New Artist|Best New Artist]], and [[Grammy Award for Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal|Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal]]. <ref>[http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9801/06/grammys.list/index.html List of Grammy Nominations]</ref> During the summer of 1998, Hanson began a highly successful concert tour, the [[Albertane Tour]]. They performed a string of shows throughout stadiums and arenas in the U.S., targeting young audiences with a playful and energetic style. A live album, titled ''[[Live From Albertane]]'', was released the following fall, as well as their second documentary ''[[The Road to Albertane]]''.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
 
Soon after they became famous, songs from Hanson's early independent albums, which are no longer in print, were leaked onto the [[Internet]]. However, the song files were poor quality. In response to the demand for their earlier work, Hanson re-released ''[[MMMBop (album)|MMMBop]]'' as ''[[3 Car Garage]]'', minus 4 tracks. To date, the tracks from ''[[Boomerang (Hanson album)|Boomerang]]'' have not been re-released, partly due to the fact that Hanson did not play any of the instruments on that album. ''[[Boomerang (Hanson album)|Boomerang]]'' continues to be circulated online.
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Hanson released their second album, ''[[This Time Around]]'', in May 2000 but due to lack of sales the label pulled funding on their tour. They toured through the [[Summer]] and [[Fall]] of 2000 on their own funds.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
==Evidence presented by Hajji Piruz==
===2001–present: Independent career===
I am in the process of posting my evidence, it may take awhile.
{{cleanup-section|April 2007}}
[[Image:Hanson Underneath Sleeve.jpg|thumb|right|The outer sleeve of Hanson's first release under 3CG Records, ''[[Underneath]]'', released in 2004.]]
 
The brothers left their [[record label]], [[The Island Def Jam Music Group|Island Def Jam Records]], due to a conflict with the producers, who felt their material was lacking marketability and had refused over 80 songs from the band.<ref name=access> {{cite video| people = Paulina Williams (director)| title = [http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/vh1_all_access/78349/episode_about.jhtml VH1 All Access: Spotlight - Hanson]| medium = TV-series| publisher = Viacom| date = 2004}}</ref> With their regular session bassist, [[Edwin Cruden]] (formerly of [[Idlewild]]), the band now works under their own [[Independent record label|independent label]], [[3CG Records]] ("3 Car Garage Records"), named for the three-car garage in which they first practiced as a band. The label has distribution deals through Alternative Distribution Alliance in the United States, Cooking Vinyl in Europe, [[Sony BMG]] in Asia, and various other distributors throughout the world.<ref name=hnet>[http://www.hanson.net/Band/ Hanson.net band information]</ref>
===Atabek===
{{User|Atabek}} has continuously attacked me by making false accusations, personal attacks, and canvassing to tarnish my image on Wikipedia. He has attempted to divide Wikipedia along ethnic lines, made inappropriate comments, frequently distorts and manipulates Wikipedias rules and policies, and engages in POV and OR. His behavior has not changed the slightest bit since the old arbcom. I'm tired of being subject to such abuse and harassment on an almost a daily basis.
 
During the struggle with their former label, Hanson signed with their current management company, 10th Street Entertainment, which also manages artists such as [[Meat Loaf]] and [[Blondie (band)|Blondie]].{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
[[User:Atabek]] has recently initiated a [[Slander and libel|defamation]] campaign against me. He has made false accusations, personal attacks, and has even canvassed in order to find an administrator sympathetic to him. He frequently misuses and abuses Wikipedia's rules and policies, and often tries to distort them to fit his situation. He is rude on talk pages, doesnt read other users posts, and does not show willingness to have an ounce of respect for other users. In just the past few weeks, he has gone to several different administrators (canvassing), made countless false accusations, and several personal attacks. I am afraid that his canvassing has already given me a bad image in the eyes of several administrators.
 
The band's "Underneath Acoustic" tour occurred during the Summer and Fall of 2003. The tour was composed of acoustic versions of songs from their then-forthcoming release, ''[[Underneath]]''. The tour culminated on [[November 5]], [[2003]], with a performance at the prestigious [[Carnegie Hall]].{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
This user was initially proposed to be blocked from editing Wikipedia for a period of one year; his behavior has not changed in the slightest since the last arbcom ended. For evidence of Atabek's past behavior see the following:
For evidence of his disruptive behavior in the past, please see the following sections of the arbcom:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#Blinde_Reverts_and_Cordination_of_his_Reverts_with_Azeri_users_against_Armenian_users_by_User:Atabek Blind Reverts and Coordination of his Reverts with Azeri users against Armenian users by User:Atabek]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#Atabek_comes_in_and_touch_the_articles.2C_the_duo_was_not_enough Atabek comes in and touch the articles, the duo was not enough]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#Socks_and_meat_puppets Socks and meat puppets]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#Atabek_POV_pushing Atabek POV pushing]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#Generalisation_attack_and_instigating_comments_by_User:AdilBaguirov.2FUser:Atabek Generalisation attack and instigating comments by User:AdilBaguirov/User:Atabek]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence#The_term_.22terrorism.22_and_User:Dacy69.2FUser:Atabek The term "terrorism" and User:Atabek]
 
''Underneath'' was released on [[April 20]], [[2004]], and debuted at #1 on ''Billboard'' Independent Album Chart and #25 on the [[Billboard 200]] album chart, making ''Underneath'' one of the most successful independent albums of all time (only a few artists, such as [[Prince (musician)|Prince]] and [[Ani DiFranco]], have released a top 25 independent album).{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
====Response to Atabek's "evidence"====
Before proceeding, it is important to know that <u>Atabek habitually falsifies evidence in order to manipulate the opinions of third party users. Examine his diff's carefully, he often gives descriptions of the diff's that do not match what the diff is actually about or saying</u>. The "evidence" post on this arbcom on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2/Evidence#User:Hajji_Piruz.2FUser:Azerbaijani this very page] are nothing but, for lack of a better word, [[lie|lies]]. I have responded to Atabek's "evidence" on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2/Evidence talk page].
 
On [[March 5]], [[2005]], Hanson performed the United States National Anthem at the inaugural NASCAR Busch Series [[Telcel-Motorola 200]] at the [[Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez]] circuit in Mexico City.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
====Canvassing====
 
In autumn 2005, Hanson toured the U.S. and played at certain Canadian venues to support their recently released live album, ''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]''. They also visited various colleges in order to showcase ''[[Strong Enough to Break]]'', their documentary chronicling their struggles with Island Def Jam during the making of ''Underneath'', as well as their subsequent departure from the label. During the college visits, the band also held question-and-answer sessions about the problems that independent artists face in music industry.<ref name=nique>{{cite news | last = Lipko| first = Hillary| title = Think radio sucks? You're not alone.| language = English| publisher = Technique| date = 2005-03-11| url = http://www.nique.net/issues/2005-03-11/entertainment/1| accessdate = 2007-03-04 }}</ref>
First it should be noted that Atabek went on a canvassing spree and made the same false accusations on several administrator talk pages, on the administrators noticeboard, and several other places, in order to find someone sympathetic to him:
 
In November 2005, Hanson's old record label released ''Mmmbop: The Collection'', a compilation of famous tracks from the first two albums and the consequent B-sides of singles. However, the [[Compact Disc|CD]] never charted, partially due to poor distribution. The album also received criticism from Hanson's loyal fan base, as many fans disdained the record label that released the album. This was in large part due to Hanson's recent documentary and college tour, which did not frame the music industry in a particularly positive light.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
*[[User:Thatcher131]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThatcher131&diff=136380786&oldid=136366273]
*[[User:Tariqabjotu]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu/Archive_Twenty-Nine#Harassment_by_User:Hajji_Piruz_.28formerly_User:Azerbaijani.29]
*[[User:Dmcdevit]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dmcdevit#Safavid_dynasty]
*[[User:Bobak]]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bobak&diff=prev&oldid=136546737]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=135110024 Administrators noticeboard]
 
[[Image:HansonTheWalk.jpg|left|thumb|Hanson's upcoming studio album ''[[The Walk (Hanson album)|The Walk]]'', to be released July 24, 2007 in North America.]]
Canvassing for the RFC:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dacy69&diff=prev&oldid=136736085 Dacy69]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Grandmaster&diff=prev&oldid=136736024 Grandmaster]
 
During the autumn of 2005, Hanson toured many countries in [[South America]] and [[Europe]], and performed their first ever electric shows in [[Australia]] during their highly successful "Live and Electric" tour. In July 2006, the band recorded with a school choir in [[Soweto]], [[South Africa]] to create the song "Great Divide", which was released exclusively to [[iTunes]] in December 2006 with all proceeds going towards research and prevention of [[AIDS]] in [[Africa]]. <ref name="aids">{{cite press release| title = Hanson to release internet exclusive track for World AIDS Day| publisher = Hanson.net| date = 2006-11-28| url = http://www.worldaidsday.org/events_details.asp?event_id=103| accessdate = 2007-03-04 }}</ref>
Canvassing before the arbcom even started:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Newyorkbrad&diff=prev&oldid=138341467 Newyorkbrad]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Picaroon9288&diff=prev&oldid=139050887 Picaroon9288]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=138078339 Wikipedia:Help desk]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=135110024 Admin's noticeboard]
 
On [[October 13]], [[2006]], Hanson posted a new song from the upcoming ''[[National Lampoon's Van Wilder: The Rise of Taj|Van Wilder 2]]'' [[Film soundtrack|soundtrack]], exclusively for members of Hanson.net. The song is called "The Ugly Truth" and is, in the band's own words, "a true back to basics rock'n'roll tune".<ref name="vanwilder"> [http://www.hanson.net/News/NewsItem.aspx?NewsID=2967 Eleven Seven Music to Release 'National Lampoon's Van Wilder: The Rise of Taj' Original Motion Picture Soundtrack] </ref>
Atabek has started or been involved in seven check users, just itching to get some users blocked (interestingly, he has added my name to most of these check usrers):
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Pejman47]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mardavich]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Artaxiad]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Pam55]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Pam55]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Tajik]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/VartanM]
 
On [[January 15]], [[2007]], the band released the first teaser episode to their upcoming docu-series podcast titled "Taking the Walk" on iTunes. The actual docu-series was released at the end of February 2007. On Monday, January 15 the first episode of the band's long-awaited documentary ''Strong Enough to Break'' was released on iTunes. The documentary is broken up into 13 different episodes and will be released on the "Taking the Walk" podcast. Both the documentary episodes and the docu-series have been made available to iTunes users for free.<ref name="walk">[http://users.hanson.net/webguru/ttwrelease.html HANSON launch video Podcast "Taking The Walk" with the free episodic release of acclaimed documentary film "Strong Enough To Break"]</ref>
====False accusations====
:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu/Archive_Twenty-Nine#Harassment_by_User:Hajji_Piruz_.28formerly_User:Azerbaijani.29 on User:Tariqabjotu's talk page]
 
Their second album off 3CG Records, ''The Walk'' will be released in the [[United States|U.S.]], [[Mexico]] and [[Canada]] on [[July 24]], and was released in [[Japan]] on [[February 21]] and in the [[United Kingdom|UK]] on [[April 30]]. <ref>[http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2007/01/1621.cfm Hanson Take A Walk With Upcoming Album]</ref> The band has said that this album is rather different to ''Underneath''. The [[Japan]]ese version of the album features two bonus tracks.
*Many of the false accusations can be viewed on [[User:Tariqabjotu]]'s talk page, the link is posted above. The following quotes are all by [[User:Atabek]], I have not altered them in any way, shape or form, and come from [[User:Tariqabjotu]]'s talk page unless stated otherwise. Be aware that these are only some of the instances where he has made such comments (he has made alot on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Safavid_dynasty#History_of_Iran Safavids talk page too, starting from the section which this link takes you to]), it would take me a long time to find all of them as they are spread over many articles, but these should suffice. Some of these false accusations include (I will also post the comments):
#Vandalism: ''"I am writing this to complain about User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), who has recently vandalized my user page"''
#Supporting a banned user: ''"User:Azerbaijani also supported anon IP sockpuppets of the banned User:Tajik"''
#POV pushing and OR edits: "''This user is only involved in pages related to Azerbaijan, and on all of them POV pushing and wasting contributor's time with unscholarly edits.''" and on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Safavid_dynasty&diff=prev&oldid=136381704 on the Safavids talk page] (''"As long as Hajji Piruz (Azerbaijani) and his flock don't stop their unencyclopedic POV and OR edits on this and other pages, looks we will not get anywhere on a scholarly front."'')
#Attacking users: ''"If he is unable to deal with content issues on various pages, he should request assistance of arbitration or dispute resolution, instead of attacking users.''" --- ''"It's part of his larger scale attack upon myself and several other users on practically all talk pages."''
#Personal attacks: ''"So you're the one to apologize here for vandalizing my page and actually attacking me personally."''
#Blackmail: ''"You're the one attacking, blackmailing, and harassing me, I have no interest in communicating with you outside content discussions."''
#Intimidation: ''"...is nothing more than intimidation and harassment of personality."'' and on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bobak&diff=prev&oldid=136546737 User:Bobak's talk page] (''"...obviously intimidating me...''")
#Edit warring and spoiling consensus version of articles: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThatcher131&diff=136380786&oldid=136366273 on User:Thatcher131's talk page] (''"The anon IP edits are often endorsed only by User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), who is engaged in heavy edit warring after ArbCom on several pages and tries hard to spoil consensus version."'') and on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dmcdevit#Safavid_dynasty User:Dmcdevit's talk page] (''"These provocations of User:Hajji Piruz, a.k.a. User:Azerbaijani, have to be stopped. It took us so long to achieve consensus at Safavid dynasty, many of us ended up in ArbCom because of it, and finally had stable version for the past month or so."'')
#Use of meat and sock puppets: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dmcdevit#Safavid_dynasty on User:Dmcdevit's talk page] (''"I don't have physical evidence, but based on behavior and support of User:Hajji Piruz, formerly User:Azerbaijani, he is obviously meatpuppeting/coordinating with these groups."'')
#No useful contributions to Wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bobak&diff=prev&oldid=136546737 on User:Bobak's talk page] (''"To be frank, dealing with this user is a waste of time for me, he is only after hunting and blackmailing certain users rather than contributing anything useful to the articles."'') and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136417096&oldid=136416029 on the Safavids talk page] (''"It will ease up your "work", since your other useful contributions to Wikipedia articles, apart from embitterment or ethnic POV, are close to 0."''
 
==Personal life==
*Now notice how he denies all of this later on: ''"I didn't make accusations against Hajji Piruz"'' and ''"So why don't you, please, ask Hajji Piruz to first read these before he tries to intimidate me on my user page, and before him further accusing me of attacking him"''
In 2000 oldest brother Isaac dated [[Marit Larsen]] of [[M2M]] while the girl group opened up for them on tour.
Isaac married his girlfriend of three years Nicole Summer Dufresne (born [[November 25]], [[1983]]) of [[Panama City, Florida]], on [[September 30]], [[2006]] in the gardens of The [[Philbrook Museum of Art]] in Tulsa, Oklahoma in front of 300 guests. Isaac and his wife welcomed their first child, a son named Clarke Everett Hanson, on [[April 3]], 2007. <ref>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20034096,00.html</ref>
 
On [[June 8]], [[2002]], middle brother Taylor married his girlfriend of two years, Natalie Anne Bryant (born [[December 28]], [[1983]]). The ceremony was held at the Ida Cason Memorial Chapel of [[Callaway Gardens]], located in [[Pine Mountain, Georgia]]<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1455175/20020613/hanson.jhtml Joey Fatone, Taylor Hanson — One's Married, The Other's Not]</ref>. The couple have three children, Jordan Ezra Hanson (born [[October 31]], [[2002]]) <ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1458676/20021113/hanson.jhtml It's A MMMBoy! Taylor Hanson's A Dad]</ref>, Penelope Anne Hanson (born [[April 19]], [[2005]]) <ref>[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0361306/bio Taylor Hanson Mini-bio on IMDB]</ref>, and River Samuel Hanson (born [[September 4]], [[2006]]) <ref>[http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1535902,00.html Taylor Hanson, Wife Welcome Baby No. 3]</ref>.
*Atabek now insists that he never accused me of anything and that it is me who is making false accusations and attacking him, even though all the evidence points to the contrary.
 
Youngest brother Zac married his girlfriend of five years, Kathryn Rebecca Tucker (born November 29, 1983), on June 3, 2006 at a private ceremony held at Second Ponce de Leon Baptist Church in [[Atlanta, Georgia]].<ref>[http://www.aolmusicnewsblog.com/2006/06/10/such-a-hanson-couple/ Youngest Hanson Grows Up, Gets the Girl]</ref>.
*I have asked him 18+ times to bring evidence to support his claims against me. So far, he has brought nothing that proves any of his allegatoins, yet he still continues to go around making these accusations. At what point, I ask you, does this become a personal attack?
 
==Discography==
====Refuting his false allegations====
===Studio albums===
Now I will proceed to comment on and disprove some of his (based on the numbering of the accusations above, for numbers 2 through 9, Atabek did not show one piece of evidence to support his accusations):
#''[[Boomerang (Hanson album)|Boomerang]]'' (1995, indie release)
#''[[MMMBop (album)|MMMBop]]'' (1996, indie release)
#''[[Middle of Nowhere (Hanson album)|Middle of Nowhere]]'' ([[May 6]], 1997) #2 U.S. (4x Platinum), '''#1''' UK
#''[[Snowed In]]'' (November 1997) #7 U.S. (Platinum), #87 UK
#''[[This Time Around]]'' ([[May 9]], 2000) #19 U.S. (Gold), #33 UK
#''[[Underneath]]'' ([[April 20]], 2004) #25 U.S., '''#1''' U.S. Independent Chart, #49 UK
#''[[The Walk (Hanson album)|The Walk]]'' ([[July 24]], [[2007]]) #83 UK
 
===Live albums and compilations===
1) Atabek claims I vandalized his user page. I made three small edits to his user page, and one was a remedy of a minor mistake I had made. Here is the diff of all three: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAtabek&diff=135823996&oldid=132018135]
*''[[3 Car Garage]]'' (May 1998) #6 U.S., #39 UK
*''[[Live from Albertane]]'' (November 1998) #32 U.S., #129 UK
*''[[Underneath Acoustic]]'' ([[August 9]], [[2003]]) Available only through the Official Store. [http://www.hanson.net/WebStore/Products/Browse.aspx?browse=Category~CDs]
*''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]'' (October 2005) #182 U.S., #15 U.S. Independent Chart
*''Mmmbop: The Collection'' (November 2005)
 
===Singles===
Atabek claims that that is vandalism. In what way is that vandalism? Its not. Atabek has had a confirmed sockpuppet, [[User:Tengri]], which has no been blocked indefinetly: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Tengri].
*"[[MMMBop]]" (May 1997) '''#1''' U.S., '''#1''' UK, '''#1''' Australia [http://www.australian-charts.com/search.asp?search=Hanson&cat=s]
*"[[Where's the Love]]" (September 1997) #4 UK, #2 Australia
*"[[I Will Come to You]]" (November 1997) #9 U.S., #5 UK, #2 Australia
*"[[Weird (Hanson song)|Weird]]" (March 1998) #19 UK, #12 Australia
*"[[Thinking of You (Hanson song)|Thinking of You]]" (July 1998) #23 UK, #6 Australia
*"[[If Only (Hanson song)|If Only]]" (April 2000) #15 UK, #9 Australia
*"This Time Around" (July 2000) #20 U.S., #42 Australia
*"Save Me" (December 2000) #1 Brazil
*"Penny and Me" (January 2005) #10 UK, #2 UK Independent Chart, #15 UK Download Chart, #28 Ireland, #99 Germany
*"Lost Without Each Other" (April 2005) #39 UK
*"[[Great Divide (song)|Great Divide]]" (November 2006, [[iTunes]] download only)
*"[[Go (Hanson song)|Go]]" (April 2007 - UK) #44 UK, #3 UK Independent Chart
*"Blue Sky" (May 2007)
 
====Music videos====
The Category [[:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppeteers]] clearly states: ''"<u>This category shows users which have been found to have created multiple accounts, or sockpuppets, to abuse Wikipedia policies</u>, or are strongly suspected to have done so."''
*"MMMBop" (Released: March 1997/Filmed: February 1997/Director: [[Tamra Davis]]/Producer: [[The Dust Brothers]]) - This video consists of a series of clips in different locations in [[Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]]. There are two versions of the video: one that was aired on public TV and one that was only available on the ''Tulsa, Tokyo, and the Middle of Nowhere'' home video. The versions differ slightly in that some of the scenes are different. For example, the one that was played on [[MTV]] had some black and white clips of the band sitting in a room with [[Albert Einstein]]. The version on ''Tulsa, Tokyo, and The Middle of Nowhere'' just has regular footage of the band performing in that same section. Due to legal reasons, the Einstein footage was removed. The UK version of the video was edited to remove the scenes where Zac was driving a vehicle, due to Zac being underage.<ref>http://users.hanson.net/kanerobot/faq.htm</ref> One scene from the video, where the members are all playing their instruments, was actually shot in the living room of the Dust Brothers' home. Another interesting fact about this video is the scene where Hanson is rollerblading and Taylor and Zac run into each other. Originally this was not intended to happen, but rather happened as a complete accident. Hanson, however, decided to keep it in the final cut for the video.
* "Where's the Love" (Released: July 1997/Director: [[Tamra Davis]]) - Hanson traveled to London for the filming of this entire video. This also has two different versions. As with "MMMBop", one was on public TV and the other was on the ''Tulsa, Tokyo, and the Middle of Nowhere'' home video. Both are also mainly the same, except for a few differences in the editing. London's [[Battersea Power Station]], which also appears on the cover of [[Pink Floyd]]'s ''[[Animals (album)|Animals]]'' (1977), appears in the background of this video.
* "I Will Come to You" (Released: November 1997/Director: [[Peter Christopherson]] and shot in London) - There was also a version of this video shot in New York's Beacon Theatre where Hanson are performing live, with the audio dubbed from the album. A shot of a fox was cut from the final version of the video. <ref name="moe2"> {{Harvard reference | Surname=Hanson| Title= | Journal=MOE Magazine | Volume=1 | Issue=2 | Year= | Page= }}</ref>
* "Run Rudolph Run" (Filmed: November 1997) - Though very rare and hard to come by, there is a video made by Hanson for this song. It was never aired on public TV and is not widely known. The video was filmed in the studio and shows Hanson playing and just having fun with it.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
* "Weird" (Released: May 1998/Director: [[Gus Van Sant]]/Producer: Danny Wolf/Cinematographer: Harris Sevides) - Between them, Gus, Danny, and Harris had worked on videos for [[David Bowie]], [[Elton John]], [[Madonna (entertainer)|Madonna]], [[Mariah Carey]], [[R.E.M. (band)|R.E.M.]], [[Michael Jackson]], and [[Red Hot Chili Peppers]]. The video for "Weird" had many unique techniques. Hanson called up Gus Van Sant and told him about a concept they had thought of for the video. His first reaction was: "Boy this is really weird."<ref name="moe2"/> The shots in the white room were filmed in a giant round Victorian room with a floor of lights that rolled on its side and was twenty feet tall. The room rotated and was built by Tom Foden who has also designed and built the spaceship for [[Michael Jackson]]'s "[[Scream/Childhood|Scream]]" video.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} The painting on the wall of the white room was ''The Judgment of Solomon'' by eighteenth century Italian painter [[Giovanni Battista Tiepolo]] and was a smooth, enlarged color print, so Hanson could slide across it as the room revolved. While filming the video shots in the white room, Taylor forgot to jump down off of a ledge of a door sill at one point and, when he finally did, the room had revolved enough that he found himself perched atop what seemed like an enormous skateboard ramp and had to jump down in the shot, which looked very dangerous. <ref name="moe2"/> Another tricky part of the video shoot was having Hanson swim underwater and lip sync to the song at the same time. The guys had to wear weights so they wouldn't float out of shot. They also had to hold their breath for a whole verse while they swam towards the camera. After the video was aired around the world, it had become a number one play request on MTV together with [[Puff Daddy]] and Madonna.{{Fact|date=March 2007}}
* "River" (Released: May 1998/Director: [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]) - This was a spoof on the 1997 film, ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'', with guest appearances from the movie by [[Gloria Stuart]], who played [[Rose DeWitt Bukater]], [["Weird Al" Yankovic]] in the [[Bill Paxton]] role, as the leader of a treasure hunting expedition to [[RMS Titanic]], and one of his on-screen co-workers.<ref name="moe2"/> The video also has a live performance of the song from the 1997 mall tour.
* "This Time Around" (Released: April 2000/Director: [[Dave Meyers]]) - In the shot where there is a crowd dancing around while Hanson is playing, it was Taylor's decision to have the crowd of people be farther away from Hanson then originally intended. He said having them too close would look to disingenuous. <ref>{{cite video| people = Rene Rosser (producer)| title = MTV Making the Video: This Time Around| medium = TV-series| publisher = Viacom| ___location = New York| date = 2000-03-05 }}</ref>
* "If Only" (Released: May 2000/Director: [[Dave Meyers]]) - For a short while back in the summer of 2002 the [[Rock and Roll Hall of Fame]] in [[Cleveland]], [[Ohio]] had the outfits worn by Hanson in this video on display as well as one of Isaac's first guitars. {{Fact|date=March 2007}}
* "Save Me" (Released: November 2000) - This was an independent video viewable on the [[internet]] in the [[United States]]. It was quickly done on a [[laptop computer]] using digital [[Rotoscope]].{{Fact|date=March 2007}} The video consists mostly of live performances during the 2000 ''This Time Around'' Tour. The entire bridge section of the song was shot in the basement of the theatre Hanson played at in [[Erie, Pennsylvania]].{{Fact|date=March 2007}} It did eventually air on [[MTV]] in many countries all over the world and spent two months in the top ten on the MTV Select Show on MTV Europe.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} It is Taylor who is writing on the wall in the end of the video when the paint breaks off. It was an accident, but when it happened, Hanson decided it was a great way to end the video. <ref>{{Harvard reference | Surname=Hanson| Title= | Journal=MOE Magazine | Volume=3 | Issue=11 | Year= | Page= }}</ref>
* "Penny and Me" (Released: March 2004) - Hanson only had one day to shoot this video.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} The actress in the video, [[Samaire Armstrong]], also played [[Anna Stern]] in the TV series ''[[The O.C.]]''. The video is also on ''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]'' bonus [[DVD]].
* "Lost Without Each Other" (Released: [[July 13]], [[2005]]) - As with "Save Me", this video was quickly done and consists of mostly short clips from live performance during the 2005 Live & Electric Tour.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} The entire video is done in black and white and there are also some scenes of Hanson playing in a small room in an old warehouse. Taylor has mentioned that, during the filming, there were some canisters in the room that were highly flammable. However, Hanson decided not to bother with having them removed before filming.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} This in itself was a bit of a risk to take, as at the very end of the video the piano keys are set on fire. Also, on the piano keys at the end the words "Are You Listening?" are written to go along with what is probably the most popular lyric from the song and the origin of the name for Hanson’s "Are You Listening?" campaign. It premiered on MTV Brazil and was only aired outside the [[USA]], though it is on ''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]'' bonus DVD.
*"Underneath" (Released: [[October 4]], [[2005]]/Animated by Josh Logue and the team at Mathematics.) - This video is probably best known for being the strangest of all Hanson’s videos.{{Fact|date=March 2007}} The video only consists of a room with a TV set, showing a live video of Hanson performing the song in concert on a very small screen. There are also headphones on the floor and sunlight coming through a window. As the video progresses, vines begin to grow and entangle everything in the room, until it is almost completely covered. At one point, a light bulb on the ceiling shatters into pieces. Towards the end the sunlight shines through and the vines slowly disappear. Hanson has never mentioned anything involving the influence on the video or any possible symbolism contained therein. The video is also available on ''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]'' bonus DVD.
*"Underneath" (Director's Cut) (Released: [[October 11]], [[2005]]) - This version of the video was never aired on public TV. It consists of live shots of Hanson performing the song during the 2005 Underneath Tour and, as with "Lost Without Each Other," is entirely filmed in black and white. It was only released on ''[[The Best of Hanson: Live & Electric]]'' bonus DVD.
* "Misery" (Released: February 2006) - This is an animated video created and drawn solely by Zac {{Fact|date=March 2007}} and only released with the 2006 Hanson.net membership kit.
* "Great Divide" (Released: [[November 27]], [[2006]]/Filmed: Africa) - The first release of this video was released through an [[e-card]] on HANSON.NET. Shortly afterwards the video leaked onto [[YouTube]]. Hanson worked with a children's choir in Africa to record this song and film the video for it. The video consists of scenes of Hanson and the choir recording and even dancing in the studio and just Hanson hanging out with the kids in general.
* "Go" (Released: February 2007) - This video consists of blue-tinged shots of Zac leaving a burning building, walking, and running; Isaac playing guitar; and Taylor playing piano in a grassy field. The video was leaked onto [[YouTube]] shortly after its overseas release.
* Also, Hanson filmed a commercial for [[Dr Pepper]] back in the early 1990s. The commercial, however, was canceled and therefore never aired on public [[Television|TV]].{{Fact|date=March 2007}}, though there have been leaks of the audio for the song. There have also been some leaks of the original video on [[YouTube]].
* There was also a short video for an Eggo Waffles commercial in 1997, which features the band playing "Thinking of You" while a crowd around them passes around a box of waffles. Zac sticks a waffle on his drumstick and takes a bite from it at the end of the commercial.
 
===Promotional===
Clearly, I did nothing wrong by adding the category to his user page, and my edits certainly were not vandalism. Upon insisting that my edits on his user page were vandalism and the continued false accusations, Tariqabjotu responded on his talk page saying ''"No he is not. Did you even look at what you were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Atabek&diff=136106562&oldid=135823996 reverting]?"'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAtabek&diff=136494929&oldid=136477088]
*''Pepsi Music Live: Hanson'' (1998)
*''MOE Enhanced CD'' ([[January 1]], [[1998]])
*''Teen Mag Music 2000 Volume 1'' ([[July 1]], [[2000]])
*''HANSON.NET Enhanced CDs'' (Versions 2.0 - 2.2) (May 2002, May 2, 2003, May 2005, and May 2006)
*''[[Live & Electric Indie Sampler]]'' (2005)
 
==Filmography==
Later on he attempts to manipulate and distort Wikipedia's policies regarding user pages to fit his stance, but I will address that in another section, along with his other abuses of Wikipedia's rules and policies.
*''Yo! Kidz: The Vidz'' (1994)
*''Tulsa, Tokyo and the Middle of Nowhere'' ([[November 18]], [[1997]])
*''[[The Road to Albertane]]'' ([[November 3]], [[1998]])
*''At the Fillmore'' ([[April 24]], [[2000]])
*''Frank McKlusky, C.I.'' (2002)
*''Underneath Acoustic Live'' ([[July 27]], [[2004]])
*''[[Strong Enough to Break]]'' (2006)
==Popular culture==
*On [[December 13]], [[1997]]'s episode of ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' hosted by [[Helen Hunt]], Hanson appeared in a sketch in which Hunt and [[Will Ferrell]] hijack an elevator at gunpoint and force them to listen to "[[MMMBop]]" as they slowly go insane. They played "MMMBop" earlier that night.
*The band was parodied in an episode of ''[[Celebrity Deathmatch]]'', fighting against the [[Spice Girls]]. Both Hanson and the Spice Girls were killed by [[Marilyn Manson]], after Manson cut down a lighting rig with a chainsaw.
*They were parodied on ''[[Celebrity Deathmatch]]'' a second time when the band, who had mysteriously revived, attempted to kill Marilyn Manson in the same manner that he had killed them. However, Isaac and Taylor chose Zac to handle the chainsaw, which was too powerful for him, and he ended up hacking himself and his brothers to death.
*On [[March 28]], [[1998]]'s episode of ''[[MADtv]]'', [[Downtown Julie Brown]] (played by [[Debra Wilson]]) interviews Hanson in the year 2015, which portrays the trio still looking and acting like teenagers: Isaac still has braces, Taylor still has long hair (albeit, he's balding), and Zac is still hyperactive and is also morbidly obese. After the interview, the band debuts their "comeback" video for their new song, "Ling Ling", which is dubbed by a female voice and is an obvious parody of "MMMBop".
*Hanson is mentioned in the [[1999 in music|1999]] [[New Radicals]] hit "[[You Get What You Give]]" in the controversial closing lines: "Fashion shoots with [[Beck]] and Hanson / [[Courtney Love]] and [[Marilyn Manson]] / You're all fakes, run to your mansions / Come around, we'll kick your ass in". Recently, [[Gregg Alexander]] of New Radicals has been collaborating with Hanson.
*Hanson have been recurring characters in the comic strip ''[[Superosity]]'' by [[Chris Crosby]] since their [http://www.superosity.com/w/19990503.html first appearance] on [[May 4]], [[1999]]. In the comic they are portrayed as nigh-omnipotent beings who are sometimes mistaken for demons. [[Taylor Hanson]] explained this to a main character when he discovered their secret: "We're not hellspawn, Bobby. If there were a [[Satan]], and there most definitely is, we would be his most-hated enemies. Which we are!" [[Isaac Hanson]] continued: "All Hanson brothers are granted magical, almost omnipotent powers at birth. Sort of like [[David Blaine]]: Magic Man. Or [[God]]." Other memorable appearances: [http://www.superosity.com/w/20000228.html auditioning for Star Wars: Episode II] and [http://www.superosity.com/w/20030407.html fixing the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards] so that [[David Alan Grier]] sweeps every category.
*During the first season of ''[[Family Guy]]'', there is a scene featured where the Hanson tour bus breaks down in front of the Griffins' home, and Peter mistakes them for the fictional ''[[Children of the Corn]]'' and shoots them.
* Another ''[[Family Guy]]'' episode - "[[A Fish Out of Water]]" - features the following dialogue in which it turns out [[Glenn Quagmire]] thought Taylor Hanson was a girl.
:[[Peter Griffin]] - If you could have any woman in the world, who would it be?
:[[Glenn Quagmire|Quagmire]] - Taylor Hanson.
:[Awkward Silence]
:[[Joe Swanson]] - Taylor Hanson's a guy.
:[Pause]
:Quagmire - [Laughs] You guys are yankin' me. "Hey, let's put one over on old Quagmire."
:Peter - No, he's actually a guy, Quagmire.
:Quagmire - What? That's insane. That's impossible.
:[Pause]
:Quagmire - Oh God. Oh my God! I've got all these magazines! Oh God!
*On [[August 14]]th, [[2000]], Internet satirist [[Maddox (writer)|Maddox]] wrote an article titled '[http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=hansonblows Hanson Blows]', criticizing the band for their alleged lack of manliness.
* The brothers are also featured in an episode of ''[[Futurama]]'', as heads in jars, singing "[[MMMBop]]" until a giant [[Bender Bending Rodríguez|Bender]] falls on them.
*The Cheap Suits released a song entitled "Lead Singer" that pokes fun at the androgynous aspect of Taylor Hanson. Lyrics include ''"I fell in love with the lead singer of Hanson, I'm so happy now that I'm dancing"'' and also ''"I have sold all of my records and I'm no longer a fan because I found out that [[Taylor Hanson]] was a man."''
*One of the stories in [[Jon Stewart]]'s first book, ''[[Naked Pictures of Famous People]]'', focuses around fictional Christmas newsletters sent to fans by the band. The letters get more and more disturbing as the boys grow older.
*On [[January 24]], [[2007]], Hanson appeared on ''[[Deal or No Deal (US game show)|Deal or No Deal]]'', as a surprise appearance while contestant Jackie Monroe, a fan, was playing.<ref>[http://www.hanson.net/Extra/pr011807.html HANSON to appear on NBC’s Deal or No Deal January 24, Announce Taking the Walk Docu-series]</ref>
*On [[May 15]], [[2007]] Hanson's song "[[MMMBop]]" was mentioned in ''[[American Idol]]'' by [[Jordin Sparks]] (the 2007 series winner), after [[Ryan Seacrest]] asked her what song makes her happy.
 
==Notes==
2) Atabek claims I was supporting a banned user on the [[Safavids]] article. First of all, whether the IP user was a former banned user or not is questionable, but the only edits of that anon that I supported were the anons grammatical, spelling, and Wikilinking edits, all of which were perfectly legitimate and improved the article. Atabek reverted the anon blindly and did not heed anyones comments on the talk page. This prompted [[User:Bushytails]] to make several comments on the Safavids article, criticizing Atabeks behavior: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136473789&oldid=136472748] , [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136509560&oldid=136508266] , and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136639337&oldid=136623320]
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==External links==
* http://www.hanson.net – Official website
* http://www.myspace.com/hansonmusic - Official MySpace
* http://www.takingthewalk.com - Free videos
* http://www.strongenoughtobreak.com - Official documentary
* http://www.hanson-europe.info – Official European website
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* {{imdb name|1642001|Hanson}}
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[[da:Hanson]]
The Ironic thing is that I was actually trying to help him and his buddies out by telling another usre to discuss his/her edits first before making edits to the controversial article: ''"I left Ariana a message asking him to discuss his edits from now on for this article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ariana310#Safavids]''" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Safavid_dynasty#History_of_Iran on Safavid dynasty talk page]
[[de:Hanson (Band)]]
 
[[es:Hanson]]
'''As with 2, Atabek has never produced a single shred of evidence to support any of his allegations 3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Again, I repeat, Atabek has never brought any evidence proving any of his allegations against me. He has still not done so. The best he has ever managed to do is show diff's which prove nothing he claims, yet he distorts them anyway in his descriptions to admins and users. I have asked him 18+ times for him to either bring his evidence or stop making false accusations against me.'''
[[fr:Hanson]]
 
[[it:Hanson]]
10) Atabek has claimed that I have made no useful contributions to Wikipedia at all, yet a simple look at my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hajji_Piruz#Creations_.26_Major_Contributions user page] contradicts that. So far, I have created <u>47 articles, two templates, and three categories</u>. On top of that, I have made significant contributions to six articles, one template, and countless contributions overall.
[[he:הנסון]]
 
[[ja:ハンソン (バンド)]]
====Attempting to divide Wikipedia along ethnic/national lines====
[[no:Hanson]]
 
[[pt:Hanson]]
Atabek has attempted to divide Wikipedia along ethnic lines. He has several times told me or implied to me that I should not edit Azerbaijan related articles.
[[fi:Hanson]]
#On Tariabjotu's talk page he implies that I cannot edit articles related to Azerbaijan (interestingly, his accusation is contradicted by my edits, I edit Caucasian and Iranian related articles): ''"This user is only involved in pages related to Azerbaijan"''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu#Harassment_by_User:Hajji_Piruz_.28formerly_User:Azerbaijani.29]
[[sv:Hanson]]
 
====Disruptive editing====
 
Looking at Atabek's contributinos it becomes clear that this user contributes nothing but edit warring to Wikipedia, although in all fairness, he has created several articles, but other than that, his other edits have been disruptive. He has edit warred on many articles, some of which include [[History of the name Azerbaijan]], [[Qajars]], [[Safavids]], [[Iran newspaper cockroach cartoon controversy]], [[Ethnic minorities in Iran]], [[Yeprem Khan]], [[Ethnic minorities in Azerbaijan]], [[Iranian theory regarding the origin of the Azerbaijanis]], etc... For example, I will post some of his disruptive edits from the Safavids article. The following are disruptive edits on the Safavids article.
 
1)Atabek reverted the edits of [[User:Kansas Bear]], which included the addition of an entire section, just to undo small changes by another user: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Safavid_dynasty&diff=134453314&oldid=133931816] He then asks Kansasbear to redo his edit: ''"Kansas Bear, you can make your architecture edits over this version."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Safavid_dynasty#Anon_edits]
 
2)Atabek reverted the legitimate edits by an anonomous user which actually improved the article, and calls it vandalism: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Safavid_dynasty&diff=136453269&oldid=136452868]
 
That prompted [[User:Bushytails]] to involve himself and make several comments:
 
''"Atabek: Vandalism has a rather well-defined meaning... and fixing errors in an article isn't it. Looking at the contributions by [[User:82.83.145.243]], most of them, within my admittedly limited knowledge of this topic, are perfectly reasonable edits, improving spelling, fixing links, re-wording things, and generally working to improve the article. Even if you disagree with them, they're certainly not vandalism. Unless I see a shred of evidence that you're reverting them for a good reason, I'll probably revert back to them, as the article looked better before you reverted it."''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136473789&oldid=136472748]
 
''"Umm. How, exactly, is moving where the language the population spoke down ten words a bad faith edit? How is it even relevant enough to matter where, if anywhere, it is in the introduction? If that's the worst edit you think he did, it's hard to see that you're doing anything other than arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't make this end up in [[WP:LAME]]."''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136509560&oldid=136508266]
 
''"Nope, not aware of anything. I just saw atabek make some suspicious reverts while I was patrolling recent changes, and had never heard of any of these users or this article until then. From what I can tell, most of the changes made by the anon user were perfectly acceptable, and without some proof they're disruptive, should not have been reverted. I notice another user has since improved some of the grammar problems, originally fixed by the anon user, and re-added when atabek reverted it...However, since the article has been edited a fair bit since then, I'm not going to just revert back to the anon's version. [[User:82.83.145.243]]: Why don't you create a subpage (either off this article or in your userspace), based on the current version, with your edits? That way, if people like them (and "OMG they moved a minor piece of information to the second sentance!" isn't a reason not to like them), I or another editor can copy it over to the article."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136639337&oldid=136623320]
 
====Threats of Wiki-retaliation====
Atabek threaten to attack Iran related articles:
#"''Then we should prepare a collage picture of Adolf Hitler with Swastika and images of Holocaust and post it on all Iran related pages''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Iran_newspaper_cockroach_cartoon_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=138020045]
#"''I am working on Pan-Aryan collage meanwhile. Thanks.''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Iran_newspaper_cockroach_cartoon_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=138022459]
 
====Personal attacks====
Atabek has made many personal attacks. Here I will list a few of them. These include attacks against me and other users:
 
#I had attempted to resolve the dispute on Atabek's talk page, but he simply removed my comments and called them "garbage": [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAtabek&diff=136159607&oldid=136158624]
#Puts my former name in quotation marks (this was one of the reasons why I had to have my name changed from Azerbaijani to Hajji Piruz, to avoid the constant personal attacks): [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_the_name_Azerbaijan&diff=prev&oldid=133303554]
#Another personal attack against me: ''"Actually, you're no authority (neither admin nor mediator) to make or not make something sure about users treating each other. But anyways, good luck with ambitions, I shall simply ignore you, <u>since you just don't understand much</u>."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136537662&oldid=136509560]
#''"As long as Hajji Piruz (Azerbaijani) and his flock don't stop their unencyclopedic POV and OR edits on this and other pages, looks we will not get anywhere on a scholarly front."''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Safavid_dynasty&diff=prev&oldid=136381704]
#Notice the sarcasm (hes obviously implying that I'm stupid): ''"Meanwhile, a note to Hajji Piruz, the word grammar is written with "a" not "e". Thought might be helpful for future editing and/or posting complaint notes. Thanks."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136472748&oldid=136462960]
#''"Hajji Piruz, why don't you make a little template with "do not make personal attacks, and keep your POV or OR to yourself" :) and then reinsert it instead of typing. It will ease up your "work"'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Safavid_dynasty&diff=prev&oldid=136417096]
 
Personal attack against [[User:Alborz Fallah]]:
#''"Apparently, there are too many pseudo-Azeris claiming the Azeri identity yet not quite resembling (in cultural and linguistic sense) the modern definition of Azerbaijani. Throwing the words like "yashasin" or "chox saghol" or "yaxshi" does not yet suffice to be called "Azeri"."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greater_Azerbaijan&diff=prev&oldid=137859961]
 
Personal attack against [[User:VartanM]]:
#"''And it's very sad that some cannot move beyond <u>bigotted</u> positions to recognize the facts or gain some credibility in their stance. ASALA failed for the same reason.''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AVaroujan_Garabedian&diff=136150717&oldid=136128391]
 
Comparing Iran to Nazi Germany based on his own historical revisionism, POV, and OR:
#"''Especially with denial of Holocaust by Ahmadinejad and adoption of Swastika by Hitler, the connection is very very close.''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Iran_newspaper_cockroach_cartoon_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=138020795]
 
====Racial comments====
Atabek has made several race related comments:
#"''General pattern demonstrated by Iranian/Persian groups to attack and remove, dereference and POV every article related to Turkic groups shall also be noted as nothing more than hateful and disturbing development.''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATuranian_Tribes&diff=109420586&oldid=98162406]
#Too much to post here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Safavid_dynasty&diff=136414201&oldid=136404564]
 
====Disrespect and refusal to constructively discuss the issues====
Atabek has shown no willingness to respect me or even discuss any of our issues.
 
Statements by Atabek (I did not alter these in any way, shape, or form, these are excerpts from some of his comments):
 
#In response to me telling him that I did not want him to harass the new user [[User:German-Orientalist]]: ''"Actually, you're no authority (neither admin nor mediator) to make or not make something sure about users treating each other. But anyways, good luck with ambitions, I shall simply ignore you, since you just don't understand much."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136537662&oldid=136509560]
#''"As long as he does not dare to edit my user space ever again without my permission, I have no interest to listening to or to bothering with him."''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu#Re:_Hajji_Piruz_attacks]
#''"I see is to simply ignore this user, not engage in any conversation with him."''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu]
#Atabek attempting to get users to ignore me: "''Dacy and others, I figured it's pretty much useless to explain anything to Hajji Piruz, he will continue on POV pushing, harassing and attacking other users to get his point through stubbornly. So let's discuss and make our edits in a constructive manner but avoiding engagement with useless OR, user targetting, and wasteful POV of Hajji Piruz''"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIsmail_I&diff=136211509&oldid=136153012]
#''"To be frank, dealing with this user is a waste of time for me, he is only after hunting and blackmailing certain users rather than contributing anything useful to the articles."'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABobak&diff=136546737&oldid=136500204]
 
====Manipulation and distortion of Wikipedia's rules and policies: AGF and User page====
Atabek has not only violated Wikipedia's rules and policies, but he has also attempted several times to spin Wikipedia's rules and policies in order to fit his own situation and to put me in a bad light. I will only talk about [[WP:AGF]] and [[Wikipedia:User page]] as they have been used a lot by Atabek recently.
 
*Atabek continuously tells me to assume good faith. He tells me this whenever he reports me to an admin, whenever he reverts an article, in almost every discussion we have, etc... He wants me not to dispute anything he does. He is attempting to use this rule in order to prevent anyone from questioning his contributions.
 
:However, a part of [[WP:AGF]] that Atabek never quotes nor even acknowledges, is this part:
 
:'''''This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary.''' Actions inconsistent with good faith include repeated <u>vandalism, confirmed malicious sockpuppetry, and lying</u>. Assuming good faith also does not mean that no action by editors should be criticized, but instead that criticism should not be attributed to malice unless there is specific evidence of malice. Editors should not accuse the other side in a conflict of not assuming good faith in the absence of reasonable supporting evidence.''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AGF]
 
:As I have outlined, Atabek has a confirmed sock ([[User:Tengri]]), he has lied, and some would consider some of his latest edits to the Safavids article to be vandalism. Despite the fact that AGF does not apply to him, he continuously goes to other users and administrators telling them that I am not assuming good faith with regards to him in an attempt to damage my image here on Wikipedia.
 
:I have told him about this part of of the policy several times, yet he continues to use AGF in an attempt to tarnish my name.
 
*With regards to [[Wikipedia:User page]], Atabek attempted to "prove" that I vandalized his user page (which I didnt) by selectively quoting what the rules actually say.
 
:Here is his comment on Tariqabjotu's talk page:
 
''"I would like to apologize to Tariq for overwhelming his talk page with this discussion. But this thread just gives a flavor what many editors have to deal with, where this [[User:Hajji Piruz]], aka [[User:Azerbaijani]] is involved. If he needs evidence, here are few excerpts from [[Wikipedia:User page]], which he chose to ignore, while vandalizing my user page:
* ''"by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others"''
* ''"in general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission"''
* ''"users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is probably sensible to respect their requests"''
''Thanks."''
 
:None of those rules actually apply to this situation in any way that they could possibly be used by Atabek against me. Remember that Atabek accused me of vandalizing his user page. My edits, as posted above, were far from vandalism. They were neither substantial, nor did Atabek every tell me prior to me editing his user page that I could not. The very same rules he posted in his defense actually prove that I did nothing wrong. Unfortunately, Atabek continued to attempt to use those rules to "prove" that I was committing vandalism.
 
Also, [[User:Tariqabjotu]] has commented on some of Atabek's accusations on Atabek's talk page, telling Atabek that the anon on the Safavids article is not me and tell him that I am not attacking, blackmailing, or harassing: "''No he is not. Did you even look at what you were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Atabek&diff=136106562&oldid=135823996 reverting]?''" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAtabek&diff=136494929&oldid=136442905] (Tariqabjotu's last comment is in regards to Atabeks comment which is in the middle)
 
===Dacy69===
===Grandmaster===
 
===Elsanaturk===
 
===Parishan===
 
===Zondi===
 
===Batabat===
 
==Evidence presented by AlexanderPar==
===Revert parole violations===
User:Dacy69, User:Atabek and User:Grandmaster are extremely disruptive editors who deliberately provoke edit-wars by soapboxing, ethnocentrism, and gaming their revert parole. I also believe that the previous ArbCom did not fully examine their disruptive behavior. For example, as noted by an admin [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=138269715], it's astonishing that despite User:Dacy69's revert parole restrictions imposed by ArbCom, he still manages to violate 3RR on a page by making 4 reverts in less than a day. Repeated parole violations, and parole gaming, by these users is listed below.
====Dacy69====
*Violation 1: 30 May 2007 BrendelSignature (Talk | contribs) blocked "Dacy69 (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 72 hours (Three-revert rule violation: Violated Abrcom parole in which he/she is only allowed 1 revert per week.)
*Violation 2: 15 June 2007 Alex Bakharev (Talk | contribs) blocked "Dacy69 (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 72 hours (Three-revert rule violation: violation of 1rr parole, 3RR rule)
====Atabek====
*Violation 1: 13 March 2007 Seraphimblade (Talk | contribs) blocked "Atabek (contribs)" (anon. only, account creation blocked, autoblock disabled) with an expiry time of 24 hours (Edit warring in violation of ArbCom injunction.)
*Violation 2: 22 June 2007 Jossi (Talk | contribs) blocked "Atabek (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 48 hours (Edit warring in violation of ArbCom injunction.))
====Grandmaster====
*Violation 1: 19:03, 28 February 2007 Dmcdevit (Talk | contribs) blocked "Grandmaster (contribs)" (anon. only) with an expiry time of 24 hours (violation of revert parole)
*Violation 2: 17:56, 4 April 2007 Dmcdevit (Talk | contribs) blocked "Grandmaster (contribs)" (anon. only) with an expiry time of 24 hours (edit warring)
 
==Evidence presented by [[User:Atabek]]==
===Personal attacks, harassment and intimidation by [[User:Hajji Piruz|Hajji Piruz/Azerbaijani]]===
After the previous ArbCom [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan], [[User:Hajji Piruz]]/[[User:Azerbaijani]] started his first attack upon me by this edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAtabek&diff=135823269&oldid=132018135] on my own user page, when [[WP:USER]] states that he should have discussed and reached an approval '''before''' editing my user page. This action was an intimidation with a purpose of provoking me, and in fact, [[User:Hajji Piruz|Hajji Piruz/Azerbaijani]] clearly spelled it out here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATariqabjotu&diff=136498664&oldid=136498447].
 
===Meat/socks in support of [[User:Hajji Piruz]]/[[User:Azerbaijani]]===
When anon IP sockpuppets of banned [[User:Tajik]] resurfaced on [[Safavid dynasty]] and started editting the page, [[User:Hajji Piruz]] started actively supporting those socks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=136429161&oldid=136425503] and even calling my legitimate attempt to stop sockpuppets as vandalism [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=134470899&oldid=134455103]. Those same socks [[User:Tajik]] were registered as [[User:German-Orientalist]], for whom [[User:Hajji Piruz]] even started a discussion page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:German-Orientalist&action=history], but were later confirmed as sockpuppets [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_checkuser%2FCase%2FTajik&diff=136683081&oldid=136559181].
 
===Refusal to [[WP:AGF]] by [[User:Hajji Piruz]]/[[User:Azerbaijani]]===
Bothered by the provocative campaign of [[User:Hajji Piruz]] upon myself on discussion pages in support of socks, I have asked him to assume good faith [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASafavid_dynasty&diff=134502106&oldid=134470899], yet the user has clearly responded that he '''"does not need to AGF"''' with regards to myself [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAzerbaijani_people&diff=135106173&oldid=135105723].
 
===False and baseless accusations by [[User:Hajji Piruz]]===
Frustrated by disruptive behavior of [[User:Hajji Piruz]], I requested help [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATariqabjotu&diff=136142184&oldid=136135919] from [[User:Tariqabjotu]]. Here, I would like to note that [[User:Hajji Piruz]] has similarly targeted another [[User:Dacy69]] on [[User:Tariqabjotu]]'s talk page earlier [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu#Dacy69]. I have also requested help from [[User:Thatcher131]] as the manager of the last ArbCom case [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan]. I don't understand why contacting several administrators about an unresolved issue would be considered a violation. After all, I did so with a purpose of resolving situation not violating rules by myself.
 
Opening an endless thread at [[User:Tariqabjotu]]'s talk page and accusing me of canvassing, [[User:Hajji Piruz]] has managed to convince the former to support his campaign. [[User:Hajji Piruz]] was first advised to open a CEM case, and when I simply asked a 3rd party user for advise [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABobak&diff=136546737&oldid=136500204], [[User:Hajji Piruz]] immediately backtracked from CEM idea and further accused me on canvassing. He clearly chose not try this avenue of dispute resolution which I never rejected. Again, I don't understand why contacting another administrator, with questions or resolution attempts is considered a violation, while wikistalking, bad faith assumptions, baiting users into bans, massive edit warring, and meatpuppeteering like [[User:Hajji Piruz]] does, is not.
 
===Further attacks, harassment and baiting by [[User:Hajji Piruz]]===
Continuing on, [[User:Hajji Piruz]] then convinced [[User:Tariqabjotu]] to file an RfC against myself [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Atabek], an effort which nevertheless failed to yield sufficient public support. Even some 3rd party users have noted that [[User:Hajji Piruz]] was clearly intimidating me and provoking a conflict [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_comment%2FAtabek&diff=137139936&oldid=136947850]. [[User:Hajji Piruz]] has even requested an RfC comment about myself from a sock for whom he made the talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGerman-Orientalist&diff=136754439&oldid=136497065] and even made comment generalizing along national lines [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATariqabjotu&diff=136738408&oldid=136736891]. He stated his RfC desired outcome as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Atabek#Desired_outcome] banning myself from Wikipedia, which was his "approach" to dispute resolution, again no good faith.
 
[[User:Hajji Piruz]]/[[User:Azerbaijani]] is now trying to continue on with his goal in ArbCom, wasting the committee's valuable time. Instead of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATariqabjotu&diff=136739189&oldid=136738408 advised] [[WP:AGF]], he goes on revert warring and even clearly Wikistalking myself on the articles that he has never touched before me, sometimes minutes after I edit them [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yeprem_Khan&action=history], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caucasus_Campaign&diff=137900275&oldid=137856238].
 
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