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In the ''[[Harry Potter]]'' series, many '''magical objects''' exist for the use of the [[List of characters in the Harry Potter books|characters]].
 
==Letters [[WP:BLPC]]and signs==
===The Dark Mark===
I created this page, as a simple category, to flag BLP concerns quickly: '''[[WP:BLPC]]'''. It seems like a good idea. - [[User_talk:DennyColt|Denny]] 21:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 
{{main|Dark Mark}}
:Good idea. Watch it fill up. :-) [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 21:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hopefully it clears even faster. :) - [[User_talk:DennyColt|Denny]] 21:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Letters===
:Very good idea. Nice one. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 07:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Witches and wizards can write words in the air with their wands.
 
[[Albus Dumbledore|Dumbledore]] writes the lyrics to the [[Hogwarts]] school song in the air in the [[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone|first novel]].
== BLP recentchanges ==
[[Tom Riddle]], at the end of ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]]'', does this to show that '''I am [[Lord Voldemort]]''' is an [[anagram]] of '''[[Tom Marvolo Riddle]]'''. It is possible that this is an unspoken form of the [[Canonical spells in the world of Harry Potter#Flagrate|Flagrate]] spell that Hermione uses to mark doors in the [[Ministry of Magic#Department of Mysteries|Department of Mysteries]] in [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|the fifth book]]. Also, after the first task in the Triwizard Tournament, the judges "write" the champions' marks in the air.
A link to [[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Living people]] has been added to the RecentChanges page under the "Utilities" row, titled '''BLP'''. This can facilitate the finding of vandalism to biographies of living persons to avoid a [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive12|"Sinbad (actor)-type" incident]] happening in the future. <small>Cross-posted to [[WP:VPN]], [[WP:AN]], [[WT:BLP]], #wikipedia, and #wikipedia-en.</small> <font color="maroon">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.Z-man]]</font>'''<small>[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|talk]]</small>''<font color="navy" face="cursive">[[Special:Contributions/Mr.Z-man|¢]]</font>''''' 18:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Potions==
==[[Christopher Michael Langan]] {{blpwatch-links|Christopher Michael Langan}}==
I question whether the section in question was libelous but it was absolutely and without question a violation of [[WP:NOR]], and an excellent example of why NOR is such an important rule in Wikipedia. Interpretation of complex evidence from original sources is extremely difficult and dangerous, which is why we must avoid it, and '''especially''' in [[WP:BLP]] situations.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 12:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 
{{main|Potions in Harry Potter}}
There is currently an ongoing dispute in relation to potentially libelous material in this entry. That the material is potentially libelous has been argued by four editors: [[User talk:Asmodeus|Asmodeus]], [[User talk:DrL|DrL]], [[User talk:Sheerfirepower|Sheerfirepower]], and [[User talk:FNMF|FNMF]]. User Asmodeus is the subject of the entry; DrL is the wife of the subject. Other editors disagree that the material is libelous. Asmodeus and DrL are presently banned from editing the entry. In my opinion, not only is the material potentially libelous, being a one-sided representation of an uncontested lawsuit, but the material is totally non-notable and unimportant in relation to the subject of the entry. For these reasons I believe the section should be deleted. The editors that disagree have a clear antipathy toward the subject of the entry for several reasons, and I do not believe they are in an objective position to judge the issue, despite some of them being long-term editors of Wikipedia. It is my opinion that the bad faith of many of the editors of this entry extends far beyond the particular issue I have raised here, and constitutes a campaign in violation of Wikipedia's official policy in relation to living persons.
 
==Prank objects==
I believe the potential libelousness of this section of the entry has been raised in this forum previously by user DrL. But whatever was the outcome of that process, the current state of the dispute is unsatisfactory.
===Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes===
{{main|Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes}}
 
===Other===
I wish to point out that I have no association with Langan, am not a proponent of his ideas, and am not a proponent of intelligent design (with which he has been linked, a link he insistently contests). But I am appalled at the editing which has afflicted this entry.
 
; Dungbomb : Explodes into a large and extremely smelly mess.
As is the way with these things, there are an endless number of potentially relevant diffs. Here, however, are the diffs I consider to be the most critical:
; Fanged Frisbees: Literally frisbees with fangs. First mentioned in The Goblet of Fire, as one of Filch's newest restricted items at the beginning of term speech. First seen in Half Blood Prince. It whirled around the room changing course with a mind of its own, taking a bite out of a curtain, after Ron Weasley threw one in the Gryffindor common room. May be capable of causing damage.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=106333588&oldid=106211480 1. Asmodeus: original request for removal of potentially libelous material]
; Screaming yo-yos: Presumably screams loudly when worked.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=106575020&oldid=106386874 2. Response by Arthur Rubin]
; Stink Pellets : Used to distract prefects and teachers, and gives an unpleasant smell.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=106618335&oldid=106579474 3. Response by Asmodeus]
; Ever-bashing boomerangs : Presumably hit their target repeatedly after being thrown. They are banned at Hogwarts.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=107100109&oldid=107043114 4. Opinion of Sheerfirepower]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=107118975&oldid=107110397 5. Sheerfirepower]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=107206247&oldid=107203167 6. Response of FeloniousMonk]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=107351783&oldid=107336825 7. Further comment by Sheerfirepower]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116335597&oldid=116320942 8. Opinion of FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116336355&oldid=115985401 9. Edit deleting section by FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116346766&oldid=116336355 10. Reversion of deletion by Arthur Rubin]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116402344&oldid=116335597 11. Comment on reversion by FNMF, indicating all the violations of official policy by editors of the entry]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116403236&oldid=116346766 12. Undoing reversion by FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116408864&oldid=116408076 13. Comment by Guettarda]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116408971&oldid=116403236 14. Reversion of deletion by Guettarda]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116411278&oldid=116408864 15. Comment on reversion by FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116411772&oldid=116408971 16. Undoing of reversion by FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFNMF&diff=116430621&oldid=111357769 17. Comment by Guettarda on User talk: FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116432075&oldid=116411772 18. Reversion of deletion by Arthur Rubin]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116434386&oldid=116412768 19. Comment by Guettarda]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGuettarda&diff=116434500&oldid=116305732 20. Comment by FNMF on User talk: Guettarda]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFNMF&diff=116435230&oldid=116430621 21. Comment by Guettarda on User talk: FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116436314&oldid=116434386 22. Comment by FNMF on Langan talk page]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGuettarda&diff=116437273&oldid=116434500 23. Comment by FNMF on User talk: Guettarda]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FNMF&curid=9753983&diff=116438557&oldid=116435230 24. Comment by Guettarda on User talk: FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116438703&oldid=116436314 25. Comment by FeloniousMonk on Langan talk page]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFNMF&diff=116439819&oldid=116438557 26. Comment by Guettarda on User talk: FNMF]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116441416&oldid=116438703 27. Comment by Arthur Rubin on Langan talk page]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFeloniousMonk&diff=116442336&oldid=116338929 28. Comment by FNMF on User talk: FeloniousMonk]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116452377&oldid=116441416 29. Response by FNMF to Arthur Rubin's comment on talk page]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Potential_libel 30. Note left for Jimmy Wales explaining circumstances of the dispute]
I hope this helps make the issue clear. I believe this is a serious and ongoing policy violation with potential legal consequences. I believe outside assessment is necessary, given the antipathy to the subject by the involved editors. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 04:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 
==Transportation==
:I disagree with Jimbo; however, [[WP:BLP]] applied to the Mega Society, itself, requries that the Mega Foundation be excised from the article if some reference to the dispute between L and the Mega Society is not there. &mdash; [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] | [[User_talk:Arthur_Rubin|(talk)]] 13:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that a major form of transportation in the Harry Potter universe is [[Magic (Harry Potter)#Apparation and Disapparation|apparation and disapparation]], which is a [[Magic (Harry Potter)|spell]] that does not involve artifacts of any kind.
 
===Broomsticks===
::The above argument by Arthur Rubin is ridiculous. The references in question are to Langan's work. The notion that mentioning a foundation of which Langan is a member and a founder is somehow libelous, just because there was, in the past, a legal dispute with another foundation, is nonsensical. It is also evidence of the destructive editing pattern afflicting the entry. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 13:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
{{main|Broomsticks in Harry Potter}}
[[Broomstick]]s are used for transportation by wizards and witches of all ages and for the game of [[Quidditch]]. Their use is similar to flying carpets, although those are banned in [[England]].
 
Broomsticks are treated as a major consumer product in the wizard world. There are numerous brands and models of brooms, that all vary in their capabilities (see [[Broomsticks in Harry Potter]]). These range from expensive high-performance models that come out every year, to toy broomsticks for young children which only fly a few feet off the ground. The cultural significance of broomsticks is similar to that of cars.
::Further to the above is the comment I left on the Langan talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Christopher_Michael_Langan&curid=2971416&diff=116521572&oldid=116519717 here].
 
Since Harry Potter plays Quidditch, his brooms - a Nimbus 2000 and a Firebolt - are prominent in the series. The Nimbus 2000 was given to him by Professor Minerva McGonagall, while the Firebolt was given to him by Sirius Black.
:::A summary of the arguments for and against removing the links to published secondary references accessible on Langan's website has been made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AChristopher_Michael_Langan&diff=116688549&oldid=116674436 here]. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 02:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 
===Floo powder===
Certain individuals are disruptively editing this entry in an attempt to slant POV. Users [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]], [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]], and [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] have reverted reasonable edits that were worked on by a number of editors who established consensus. Instead of involving themselves in the collaboration process, they simply revert. As admins, these individuals should be fostering a cooperative environment rather than editing in a disruptive fashion. --[[User:Honorable citizen|Honorable citizen]] 18:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
'''Floo powder''' is a glittering powder used by wizards to travel and communicate using fireplaces. It was invented by Ignatia Wildsmith (1227-1320) and named after the passageway which leads from a fireplace to the chimney so hot gases can escape, or [[Wiktionary:flue|flue]] (which did not exist at the supposed time of invention).
 
Floo powder can be used with any fireplace connected to the [[Floo Network]]. To transport from one fireplace to another, the traveller throws a handful of Floo powder into the fireplace (if a fire is lit, it will turn green), states the intended destination in a clear voice, then steps into the fire. Alternatively, the traveller can stand in the fireplace, then throw the powder at their feet. Floo Powder can also be used for communication, a wizard or witch can kneel in front of the fire and stick their head in, which will appear in the fire at another fireplace.
:A few impassioned disputants are still, pardon the expression, going nuts on the article talk page (some even arguing that the term "[[autodidact]]" should not be used in the introduction but that "self-taught" should be used because autodidact is, what, too obscure? excuse me, in an encyclopedia? when it's linked to the article yet?) but ''if'' they understand Wikipedia policies well enough that the article ''itself'' will remain at least as encyclopedic as it is now, this section can be archived. That's a question, hence I'm not archiving it yet. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 01:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the second book the [[Weasley family|Weasleys]] travelled to [[Diagon Alley]] by Floo powder. Harry did not say "Diagon Alley" clearly, so he was instead sent to [[Borgin and Burkes]] shop, in [[Knockturn Alley]]. In the [[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|fourth book]], [[Arthur Weasley]] uses his position at the [[Ministry of Magic]] to have the [[Dursleys]]' fireplace temporarily connected to the Floo network, unaware that the fireplace had been bricked up. [[Sirius Black]] uses the network to communicate with Harry in the same book. In the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|fifth book]], Harry puts himself in considerable risk when he uses [[Dolores Umbridge]]'s fireplace to communicate with Sirius Black; he is however forced to do so because Umbridge is monitoring all other lines of communication in and out of Hogwarts.
::I would just like to point out a couple of things. The dispute about the word "autodidact" was initiated by a party previously not involved in editing the entry at all, and I don't believe is going to be an ongoing issue. Some of the issues above have been more or less resolved (such as the NOR violations in relation to the lawsuit). Others persist. Several editors continue to treat the entry as a battleground about intelligent design, despite little or no evidence that the subject of the entry is an advocate of ID. Because of the perception by some editors that Langan ''is'' an advocate of ID, however, they remain hostile to the subject, and persist in a campaign against improving the entry. The most recent problem is the question of whether to include a section describing Langan's ideas. False objections are being raised to the idea of including such a section, arguments such as: that it would unnecessarily "promote" Langan's ideas; or that Langan's ideas are not notable enough to describe in an entry devoted to him; or that to include such a section gives his ideas undue weight. See the recent talk page discussion of this matter. Problems may well continue with this entry, so long as some editors continue to view the entry as a battleground in the war on ID, and so long as they do not attend sufficiently to the requirements of BLP. Any assistance in this matter would be most welcome. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 01:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I take your points as cogent observations of the situation.
 
===Flying carpets===
:::The trivial dispute about "autodidact" is symptomatic—a few editors are far more interested in squabbling about tangential issues than they are in improving the article. The latter is ''the primary purpose'' of any article talk page as per [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#How to use article talk pages]]: "Keep on topic: Talk pages are not for general conversation. Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal." [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 02:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
'''Flying carpets''' are an alternative wizarding type of transportation, possibly around the world, but illegal in [[Europe]] (or at least in England). Usually they are a thick rug, frequently highly patterned and often manufactured in the [[Middle East]]. The obvious advantages of the carpet over the broomstick are that they can seat a number of people, including children and invalids, and are probably more comfortable to ride.
 
Flying Carpets were once an accepted form of travel for the British magical community, but they are now banned due to being defined as a Muggle Artifact by the Registry of Proscribed Charmable Objects. It's therefore now against British wizarding law to charm carpets or fly them, although they are still legal in other countries. [[Arthur Weasley]] was very much involved in the introduction of this legislation due to his position in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts office. It's known that the ban was relatively recent, not only from Arthur's involvement, but also from the fact that [[Barty Crouch Senior]]'s grandfather owned a 12-seater [[Axminster]] back in the days before they were prohibited.
::::It may be worth watching this entry for another few days. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 09:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 
A merchant by the name of Ali Bashir is very keen to export flying carpets to Britain and is very upset that local laws are preventing him from doing so. He regularly berates Arthur about the subject but it's very unlikely that the law will be changed.
;Update
Some conflict at the entry has resurfaced over inclusion of a section describing Langan's ideas.
 
===Hogwarts Express===
After several weeks of drafting and preparing the section, an editor who had refrained from all involvement deleted the section shortly after inclusion, on the grounds of NOT and NOR.
 
{{main|Hogwarts Express}}
Opposing editors have pointed out that Langan's theories are notable in relation to the subject of the entry, and that secondary sources support the statements made in the section.
 
The '''Hogwarts Express''' is ridden by students between [[London]] and [[Hogsmeade]]. The train starts from [[King's Cross railway station]] [[railway platform|platform]] 9¾, which is invisible to [[Muggle]] eyes and is reached through the barrier between platforms 9 and 10.
It has further been pointed out that when the ''entry'' on Langan's ideas was deleted,<big>'''*'''</big> one justification given for the deletion was that the ideas could be discussed in the Langan entry itself. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 23:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Knight Bus===
* '''Sections:'''
:* Article: [[Christopher Michael Langan#Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe|"Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU)"]]
:* Talk: [[Talk:Christopher Michael Langan#Removed CTMU description|"Removed CTMU description"]] and [[Talk:Christopher Michael Langan#Finish incomplete removal of CTMU exposition (Intelligent Design) ;; 20070415_ID|"Finish incomplete removal of CTMU exposition…"]]
* {{userlinks|ScienceApologist}} &nbsp; ''(removal - sample [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=prev&oldid=122777273 diff])''
* ''<s><small>{{userlinks|Dreftymac}} &nbsp; ''(removal - sample [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=prev&oldid=123129869 diff])''</s> (<s>strike</s>: '''see posts below'''.)</small>''
* {{userlinks|FeloniousMonk}} &nbsp; ''(removal - sample [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=prev&oldid=123460506 diff])''
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe]] (CTMU)<big>'''*'''</big>
:* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cognitive-Theoretic_Model_of_the_Universe&diff=63969208&oldid=63967430 Comment/citations] in re notability of CTMU in that AFD discussion
 
[[Image:Knight Bus.jpg|thumb|300px|The Knight Bus in the [[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (movie)|''Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban'' film]]]]
:Added userlinks, specific article/talk sections, CTMU AFD. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 03:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The '''Knight Bus''' is a heavily enchanted, violently purple, triple-decker bus which transports [[Magic in Harry Potter|magical]] folk.
 
The bus functions as public transportation for the wizard or witch in need everywhere in [[England]], [[Scotland]] and [[Wales]], bringing passengers to the destinations of their choice with seemingly no set route. It bolts through the streets, entirely invisible to [[Muggle]]s and causing other objects to dodge it (rather than dodging the objects) to cover short distances. For long ones, the Knight Bus makes hundred-mile (160 km) leaps accompanied by a great bang and jolt, possibly similar to [[Apparating]]. The interior of the bus changes or is changed depending on the time of day, having chairs by day and beds by night. Its only limit in travelling is that it can't enter water.
::'''Clarification on CTMU debate:''' Since my username is posted up here ... The sole removal done by [[User:Dreftymac]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Michael_Langan&diff=prev&oldid=123129869 diff here] was done strictly to balance the article which was in an indeterminate state. Not to advocate exclusion. A prior editor removed disputed content that was favorable to Mr. Langan, but did not remove equally-disputed content that might be interpreted unfavorably. I considered this outcome to be unfair and unbalanced. Since at the time the preponderance of the evidence seemed to favor exclusion, I completed removing the disputed content and requested additional rationale for inclusion (since the burden of evidence always rests with the proponent). [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] gladly provided a rationale, and I considered it to be a good faith and consistent interpretation of policy, and I indicated such on the discussion page. I next made proposals for calm and compromise between the two "sides" of the debate, since both had raised valid points. (see [[Talk:Christopher Michael Langan#Moving Forward]] and [[Talk:Christopher Michael Langan#Proposal for consensus]] ).
 
The Knight Bus is generally used only by those who can't or won't choose another means of transportation. The jolts make travelling a severely uncomfortable experience. While the bus is lightning-fast by [[Muggle]] standards, still faster are near-instananeous [[Magical objects in Harry Potter#Floo powder|Floo powder]] and [[Apparating]]. It charges for the service; Harry was charged 11 Sickles to travel from [[Little Whinging]] to [[Diagon Alley]].
::I endeavored earnestly not to take "sides" in this matter. I do consider that [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] has been quite rigorous in requesting both adherence to, and express justification based on Wikipedia policy. Also, some of his legitimate questions posed to other contributors seem to have gone unanswered. This article appears to be a battleground. I have attempted to represent a singular voice of calm, neutral deliberation, but it seems a safe bet that it's just a drop in the bucket. [[User:Dreftymac|dr.ef.tymac]] 10:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The [[Conductor (transportation)|conductor]] of the Knight Bus is [[Stan Shunpike]], and its driver is [[Ernie Prang]]. The bus makes its début along with its staff in the [[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban|third book]] as [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry Potter]] unwittingly "hails" the Knight Bus by holding his wand arm out in front of him as he is standing on Magnolia Crescent. Harry also rides on the Knight Bus with a number of his friends in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]''.
::: OK, thanks for clarifying that for those of us who have not been closely involved. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 11pt"> — Æ. </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 13:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the [[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (movie)|''Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban'' film]], Stan and Ernie are accompanied by a talking [[shrunken head]] [[voice actor|voiced]] by [[Lenny Henry]].
::::Update: I remain unpersuaded by those editors arguing to exclude a referenced section explaining Langan's ideas. Unfortunately, these editors are determined, ignore counter-arguments, and don't properly explain their own position. ''I believe the fundamental reason for this is that there is a group of editors biased against the subject of the entry.'' Editors attempting to improve the entry have, one after another, dropped off editing the entry, no doubt due to frustration. In this context, it has become nearly impossible for me to continue arguing the case. For these reasons, I believe the entry will remain in an inferior state for the foreseeable future. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 00:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Stan and Ernie are the Christian names of Rowling's grandfathers. A [[shunpike]] is a back road used to avoid tolls on a [[turnpike]] (or a person who habitually uses them), while "prang" is [[British English|British]] slang for crashing a car or other form of transport (a word much used by [[RAF]] pilots in [[World War II]]). Ernie almost crashes into a house because he is so surprised at Harry's tendency to say Voldemort's name. Luckily, inanimate objects have a way of jumping out of the way of the Knight Bus.
== [[David Gaiman]] {{blpwatch-links|David Gaiman}} ==
* {{article|David Gaiman}} - a small number of users are CONTIUALLY adding to the David Gaiman's page that his son is the fantasy author Neil Gaiman, there is absolutely no evidence that this is true. Gaiman's own website never mentions his father as being called David, similarly the article they use as basis, has no evidence that this is the same Neil Gaiman. I accept that it is possible, but to add something that is merely possiible (even probable) does disservice to wikipedias attempts to be a reputable encyclopedia --{{user|90.241.1.65}} 13:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:* Another section about that was archived yesterday (see the [[Neil Gaiman]] section in [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive12|Archive 12]]). It's basically vandalism—if you see it, revert it. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 14:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 
===Portkeys===
I believe this is in fact true. According to the ''Contemporary Authors Online'' database, Neil Gaiman was born to David Bernard Gaiman (a company director) and Sheila Gaiman (a pharmacist) on November 10, 1960, in Portchester, England. A 1974 book, ''The Hidden Story of Scientology'', refers to "David B. Gaiman, Deputy Guardian of the Church of Scientology (World Wide)". David Bernard Gaiman is listed in the Companies House database as the proprietor of G & G Food Supplies, a vitamin shop in East Grinstead (where Scientology has its UK headquarters). The company is co-run by Sheila Gaiman - see http://www.gandginfo.com/en/ . Issue #50 of Scientology's "Impact" magazine lists David Gaiman and G&G Food Supplies as being "Patrons" of the Church of Scientology ([http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/impact/impact050patrons.html]), and G&G Food Supplies is listed as one of the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises network of businesses ([http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/d/david-gaiman.html]). I don't think there's any real reason to doubt that the David Bernard and Sheila Gaiman who fathered Neil Gaiman in Portchester in 1960 are the same David Bernard and Sheila Gaiman who were working for Scientology in the 1960s and 1970s, and who are now running a company selling vitamins to Scientologists in East Grinstead. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 23:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
'''Portkeys''' are first mentioned in ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]''. Once created by using the ''[[Spells in Harry Potter#Portus|Portus]]'' spell, a Portkey can be set to transport anybody who touches it to a designated ___location, or to become active at a pre-determined time and transport to that ___location anybody who happens to be touching it at the moment.
:The point is not whether Wikipedia editors think there is no reason to doubt this; we need reliable third-party sources to cite on this. Otherwise it's [[WP:OR]] which should be removed from biographies of living persons straight away. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 21:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::I found this on Neil's own website: "Gaiman is the son of a vitamin-company owner and a pharmacist." [http://www.neilgaiman.com/about/interviews/document.2005-09-14.4844038654] It's actually from a CNN article. I'd suggest that was fairly conclusive. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 22:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:::You may want to check out [[WP:SYN]]. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm well aware of [[WP:SYN]], which is why I've not rushed off and added the points above to the article. The challenge now is to find reliable sources that can be used to tie the narrative together in terms that will meet WP:SYN's requirements. It's not going to be doable overnight. :-) -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 23:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Good to hear you're well aware of [[WP:SYN]]. I take it you will no longer be arguing here as if it does not exist or disputing a perfectly correct report regarding clearly disruptive policy violations. I fully agree with [[User:Athaenara]]: "It's basically vandalism—if you see it, revert it." [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::PS It should be clear to anyone who understands the basics of [[WP:BLP]], or human nature for that matter, that the author does not want this info, correct or incorrect, out on the street. Wikipedia is not a tabloid, we are not [[paparazzi]], and should not be helping anyone, let alone disruptive editors, to create a rumor. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The user feels a pulling or jerking sensation behind their navel, and then they suddenly appear at the destination. With enough practice, a graceful landing is possible: after the Portkeyed trip to the [[Quidditch World Cup]] in ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|Goblet of Fire]]'', [[Cedric Diggory]], [[Arthur Weasley]], and [[Amos Diggory]] landed on their feet, while the others (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny and the twins) fell onto the ground.
ChrisO, please explain [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Gaiman&diff=120351413&oldid=120349782 this edit] if you're that well aware of [[WP:SYN]]. I've reverted it as a [[WP:BLP]]/[[WP:SYN]] violation. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:The issue is plainly not a rumour - it's well documented in an extremely reliable secondary source (i.e. ''The Times''). However, I do think we could make use of a primary source - i.e. public records - to verify it unimpeachably: "Where a fact has first been presented by a verifiable secondary source, it is acceptable to turn to open records as primary sources to augment the secondary source." ([[WP:BLP#Public figures]]). I wouldn't presume to guess what Neil's wishes are but since the information is already out there and documented in the national press, I don't think there's any harm in citing it. I agree that it would be different if it was some wholly undocumented private matter but the question of which schools he attended doesn't fall into that category. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 07:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Times article is just one of the two pieces of information you're joining in typical [[WP:SYN]] fashion. Do you know you are referring to a Times article that does ''not'' say X is the son of Y or any other permutation to that effect? I see no citations from reliable secondary sources that have this information, only articles about X and articles about Y. Also, you seem to require those assisting here to look up the actual citations you should have been providing. FWIW, for the Times article this is: [http://cosmedia.freewinds.cx/media/articles/tim130868.html archived copy], The Times, 13 August 1968, p.2 col. c, ''Head Bars Son Of Cult Man''. I feel I am wasting my time explaining [[WP:SYN]] to an admin, on the BLP Noticeboard no less. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 10:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Rather than take up space here, let's have this discussion at [[Talk:Neil Gaiman]]. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 13:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]'', [[Barty Crouch Jr.]], who was impersonating [[Alastor Moody]], made the [[Triwizard Tournament]] cup a Portkey so it would transport anybody who touched it straight to the hands of [[Lord Voldemort]], expecting it would be [[Harry Potter]]. However, Harry took the cup together with [[Cedric Diggory]], so Voldemort had Cedric murdered with ''[[The Unforgivable Curses in the world of Harry Potter#Avada Kedavra (The Killing Curse)|Avada Kedavra]]''.
:No, this was posted here for a very good reason. Others had inserted clear violations of several policies in the encyclopedia. On joining the discussion here you have not only asserted that this can in fact go into the encyclopedia, you have also underhandedly added this information yourself to yet another article while claiming here that you were abiding by [[WP:SYN]] and therefore not adding it to the article reported above. You are an admin and should be able to understand the rules. These policies are not trumped by consensus. If you do not agree with my interpretation, by all means ask another admin or ask around on the [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:OR]]/[[WP:ATT]] talk pages. Don't forget to point others to the full explanation I put on that talk page yesterday and to the warning on your talk page.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisO&curid=344261&diff=120702966&oldid=120553144 (diff)] Or someone else may want to chime in. I'm logging off now, not sure when I'll be back on line. Have a good weekend everyone. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 14:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::This boils down to a dispute over interpretations of the policy. We both believe that we're interpreting it correctly. The best remedy, I think, will be to present the evidence and our conflicting interpretations (after Easter!) to other admins and maybe Jimbo and ask for an independent view. In the meantime, I'm logging off too - we can discuss this further on [[Talk:Neil Gaiman]] after Easter when we hopefully have some more substantive evidence to discuss. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 15:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:This would have remained a discussion about policy interpretation if you hadn't made exactly the same disputed [[WP:SYN]] edit to ''another'' article ''during that discussion''. In addition to looking like a convoluted type of [[WP:POINT]], it also was a pretty big mistake to make in a [[WP:BLP]] context where we remove first, talk later. This is now also a discussion about your behavior. The violation prompted a warning. I will not reward this type of behavior in someone who ought to know better and do not want to encourage contempt of a rule that is becoming more important every day. I want you to realize that. In a BLP, when in doubt, remove. When in doubt, don't add. When disputed, don't add. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 18:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 
It has been noted by some fans that the simplicity with which Portkeys are created in the beginning of the [[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|fourth book]] (as a method for transportation to the [[Quidditch World Cup]]) and in the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|fifth book]] causes a possible plot hole in the fourth book: Crouch, posing as Moody, could have turned, say, a book, into a Portkey, called Harry into his office, and said, "Here, take this." This would have eliminated the need for Moody's entering Harry in the Triwizard tournament and guiding Harry through it, and the majority of the fourth book.
I find it interesting that content and references had been added to the [[David Gaiman]] article in such a way that the name "Neil" now appears a total of five times, twice in the text and thrice in the references section. [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight|Undue weight]], anyone? I'd even characterise it as sneaky. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 10:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Undue weight, certainly. Which automatically makes it a [[WP:BLP]] issue too. It looks like we're a tabloid setting the stage for a scoop. The real information content here is that the subject's son was a Scientologist too when he was seven years old. Which seems non-notable to the degree of its inclusion being an undue weight and [[WP:BLP]] violation in itself. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 11:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Exactly. I have now removed that content and placed a pointer in the edit summary to this section of the noticeboard. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 11pt"> — Æ. </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 13:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
However, several reasonable assumptions can explain this. Since [[Hogwarts]] has an anti-apparition enchantment, it would make sense for the creation of Portkeys on the grounds to be restricted. Moody would still be able to make the Triwizard Cup a Portkey, if it was supposed to be a Portkey anyway, to transport the winner out of the maze. This would explain why the Portkey took Harry back to Hogwarts and out of the maze when he touched the Cup the second time instead of back into the maze at Hogwarts. The creation of Portkeys may be highly restricted in general; although [[Albus Dumbledore|Dumbledore]] is able to set up an "Unauthorised Portkey" in the fifth book, it is treated as a serious crime; [[Cornelius Fudge|Fudge]] is upset that Dumbledore would create one in front of him, and at one point [[Remus Lupin|Lupin]] says "...it's more than our life's worth to set up an unauthorised Portkey."
:::Great. You removed the existance of Neil altogether. He no longer exists. Before you came, David Gaiman had two children. Now he has only one left. --[[User:Tilman|Tilman]] 15:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::This complaint as well as several others were attended to in subsequent edits. Tilman, whose POV regarding Scientology is well known,[http://www.google.com/search?q=tilman+scientology&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en:official&client=firefox-a] kept doing full reverts, in the last one once again sneaking in the wikilink to the author [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Gaiman&diff=124549035&oldid=124414552 (diff, intermediate edits not shown)]. He also re-added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Gaiman&diff=124549165&oldid=123389677 (diff)] the reciprocal link to the author's article against consensus on the talk page that a reliable source for this is lacking. I have reverted the two inappropriate wikilinks per [[WP:BLP]]/[[WP:SYN]]. Someone please keep a close look on this situation (I'm online for a couple of minutes only). UG perhaps? [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 11:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
It should also be noted that Voldemort may initially have intended to make his return public ([[Sirius Black|Sirius]] points out that his comeback didn't come off quite the way he wanted it to) and has a predilection for overcomplex plots (as [[Wormtail]] noted, he could have used the blood of any enemy and returned at the beginning of the book, but Voldemort then states that Harry's blood holds certain properties that Voldemort wished to acquire). It is possible that he intended to cause maximum chaos to the wizarding world by murdering Harry and returning to his former position in as spectacular a manner as possible.
I've found a newspaper article in which David Gaiman (the Scientologist) explicitly says that Neil Gaiman (the author) is his son. This should hopefully resolve many of the difficulties we've encountered here. More at [[Talk:Neil Gaiman#Possible reference found]]. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 14:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Time-Turners===
:And for the record, here are the referenced and reliably sourced additions that I've made to the two articles: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Gaiman&diff=124657781&oldid=124578395] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Gaiman&diff=124653035&oldid=124572863]. The addition of this source will hopefully put this controversy to bed. :-) -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 19:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
A Time-Turner is a device in the magical world of [[Harry Potter]], that allows for [[time travel]].
 
[[Hermione Granger]] received a Time-Turner from [[Minerva McGonagall|Professor McGonagall]] in ''[[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', so she could attend more classes than time would normally allow. Hermione is ordered to keep it a secret from everyone, including Harry and Ron, although they do notice the impossibility of her schedule, and several bizarre disappearances and reappearances. Hermione lets Harry in on the secret near the end of the book, where she and Harry use the Time-Turner to save [[Sirius Black]] and [[Buckbeak]].
==Daniel Pipes {{blpwatch-links|Daniel Pipes}}==
This article still suffers from biased editing. See the talk page and the problems of the article lacking "full citations" (over thirty external links are not identified as "full citations"); the article clearly does not clearly, adequately, and consistently identify the authors, titles, publications, dates of publication, and dates accessed of the sources used in the article. I have pointed this out, but no one has stepped up to correct these violations of [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]], [[Wikipedia:Citations]], [[Wikipedia:Attribution]], [[Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles]], [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]], [[WP:POV]], [[WP:BLP#Public figures]], and [[Wikipedia:Manual of style]] (with links to several of these other articles). I have previously given much of the needed information for providing "full citations"; this information is accessible (see talk page archive pages). There is no reason not to disclose fully the ''full citations'', unless one is engaging in trying to hide what the sources actually are. Assuming [[WP:AGF]], one hopes that that is not what is going on in that article. But the article appears to be trying to present the subject in a positive light but avoiding citing the titles of articles used as sources and showing how much of the material comes from Pipes's own websites [and/or from other sites; from articles sympathetic and/or critical of him; authors and titles etc. are needed to see nature, reliability, and notabilty, and verifiability of the sources linked]. That is not in keeping with [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]]. Articles in Wikipedia dealing with subjects relating to the [[Israeli-Palestinian conflict]] and the parties to that conflict, the [[Middle East]], and living persons whose notability relates to their work on that region and that conflict and the parties to it seem continually to suffer from biases and lack of actual [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]]. (This is my second attempt to call [attention] to this article in this noticeboard. Subsequent editing by others of this article has not assuaged my concerns about it. Please consult the editing history of the article and the current and archived talk pages and the misleading way in which the archive of the talk page was constructed initially. Such obviously-biased and misleading articles do not represent Wikipedia in a positive light, in my view. To mislead Wikipedia readers, who may be students, is not doing a service to these readers.) --NYScholar 02:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)-[corrected typo. error. --NYScholar 04:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)]
 
Hermione's Time-Turner resembled an [[hourglass]] pendant on a necklace. The hourglass pendant would be twisted to move through time, and the number of turns on the hourglass corresponded to the number of hours one travelled back in time. It would appear that traveller is transported back to the general area where he or she was at the moment in time at which they arrive.
==[[David Hicks]] {{blpwatch-links|David Hicks}}==
* {{article|David Hicks}} - Recent material added to this article is probably libel. It is generally based on selective use of sources or sources which consist of hearsay. In discussions on the talk page the editor concerned shows little inclination to stop adding such material, hence my raising it here. [[User:John Dalton|John Dalton]] 04:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC) In evaluating this issue, account might want to be taken of a [[Gutnick_v_Dow_Jones|recent precedent]] [http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/12/56793]. I'm no expert though. Hopefully someone here is. [[User:John Dalton|John Dalton]] 05:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 
A large supply of Time-Turners is kept at the [[Ministry of Magic]], as seen in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]''; however, during the events of that book the entire supply of Time-Turners is destroyed. Due to their time-affecting properties, they are seen to smash and reassemble, over and over.
: I tagged the "Hicks in custody" section with {{tl|POV-section}}. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 18:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The possibility of time travel within the Harry Potter universe may seem to allow many plot holes, but characters appear to use them for trivial tasks that have no effect on existence as a whole. The one notable use of the Time-Turner within canon (to save Buckbeak and Sirius), obeys [[Novikov self-consistency principle]]. This fatalistic theory of time-travel (i.e. "Nothing can be changed because anything a traveler does merely produces the circumstances they had noted before traveling") is, incidentally, reminiscent of Rowling's employment of [[self fulfilling prophecy]], but while prophecies within canon are relevant only to the degree that characters place relevance on them, (the books state Harry and Voldemort 'could' walk away and void the Prophecy if they chose), the same cannot be said for time-travel (there is no suggestion that one can change events by inaction). It has not been revealed in the series if any major events within the books or the Harry Potter universe as a whole have been related to time turners' misuse.
==[[Louise Lanctôt]] {{blpwatch-links|Louise Lanctôt}}==
{{article|Louise Lanctôt}} - Completely unsourced, with quite nasty claims. Quick Google search suggests that the article is generally accurate, but I've not the time (nor, for that matter, the inclination) to wade through it all. [[User:Jonel|Jonel]] | [[User talk:Jonel|Speak]] 21:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Vanishing Cabinet===
:[[User talk:Jonel|Jonel]] has blanked the article per [[WP:BLP]] and left a note to that effect on the talk page, which seems the right thing to me. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the sixth book, Hogwarts is invaded despite its magical defences against transportation spells by means of a Vanishing Cabinet. This transfers objects which go into one Cabinet to a second paired Cabinet where they emerge. One broken Cabinet was already in the [[Hogwarts layout|Room of Requirement]] at Hogwarts. This was repaired by [[Draco Malfoy]]. At the start of book 6 he is seen in [[Borgin and Burkes]] shop in [[Knockturn Alley]] purchasing an item, but Harry, Ron, and Hermione are unable to see what it is, because he is standing behind a Cabinet. He also requests Borgin's help to repair some object. It is likely that the Vanishing Cabinet was broken in the second book, when Peeves drops it over Filch's office as a diversion.
 
The Vanishing Cabinet is mentioned several times in the earlier books, such as when [[Hogwarts ghosts|Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington]] convinces [[Peeves]] to drop it (perhaps breaking it) over [[Argus Filch]]'s office in ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]]'', in order to help [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry]] escape detention for "befouling of the castle" (tracking in [[mud]]). It was also used in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'' by [[Fred and George Weasley]], when they forced [[Minor Slytherins#Montague|Montague]], the [[Hogwarts Houses#Slytherin|Slytherin]] Quidditch captain and member of [[the Inquisitorial Squad]] into it when he tried to take house points from Gryffindor. ''[[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]'' reveals that Montague's experience led [[Draco Malfoy]] to recognise that a pair of Vanishing Cabinets could be used as a magical passage. Malfoy later uses this artifact to smuggle [[Death Eaters]] into Hogwarts. The Vanishing Cabinets have yet to appear prominently in the films; in a deleted scene (available on DVD) in ''Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets'' Harry hides in a cupboard in Borgin and Burke's.
::[[User:WAS 4.250]] restored the content without edit summary or discussion on the talk page (probably saw it as vandalism). I've blanked the page again, requesting discussion/sources and directing editors to this report on the BLP Noticeboard. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 23:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Other magical objects==
::: [[User:WAS 4.250]] also added nine different sources when he restored it. I have not checked them myself, but since the original complaint was for the lack of sources, wouldn't it be useful to see if the addition of sources has dealt with the problem? - [[User:TexasAndroid|TexasAndroid]] 23:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
===Magical sweets===
A multitude of sweets are produced in the stories; many have a violent or bizarre side-effect, especially those created by Fred and George Weasley. Most sweets can be found in the sweetshop [[Honeydukes]].
 
====Acid Pops====
:::: Thanks. When I didn't see the required in-line cites (see the [[WP:CITE#How_to_cite_sources|WP:CITE guideline]]) I didn't scroll down far enough to see the list of refs added below the article body. I will self-revert for now on the assumption that the article is fully supported by the provided sources. I can't guarantee though that others will leave it in place since the assertions in the article still need to be linked directly to the relevant (portions of) the sources. Once in-line cites have been added, the article can be reviewed regarding any remaining WP:BLP issues. Until then, the [[WP:BLPN]] report should remain open. We don't expect our readers (or reviewing editors) to read through a lot of material to verify assertions, especially not regarding BLP material. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 00:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
[[Acid]] Pops are [[lollipop]]s that can burn a hole through one's tongue.
 
====Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans====
==[[David Miscavige]]==
Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans are [[jelly beans]] that come in literally every flavour. The flavours described in the book as normal include [[caramel]], [[chocolate]], [[coffee]], [[marmalade]], [[peppermint]], [[strawberry]], [[lemon]], and [[toffee]].
This person is the president of the Church of Scientology, and as such an object of controversy. An accusation against him was added to the article based on the statements of a former church member posted to three anti-Scientology websites. The charges may be true but it doesn't seem to me that they can be stated as fact on WP. I have removed them twice and they were put back. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 04:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The "unusual" flavours include [[baked bean]], [[curry]], [[earwax]], [[mucus|bogey]], [[grass]], [[liver]], pepper, [[sardine]], [[spinach]], sprout, [[tripe]], and [[vomit]]. The [[Jelly Belly]] candy company produces real versions of Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans. They have produced odd flavours in and out of the market since (--). Apart from some "regular" flavours, the company also produces several "unusual" flavours mentioned in the books. Other flavours include [[bacon]], dirt, [[earthworm]], rotten [[egg (food)|egg]], and [[soap]].
*The information was from a sworn affidavit. The information should be reinserted back into the article, but with correct clear attribution given to the source of the statement. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 05:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
:* Isn't it the case that anyone can basically allege anything in an affidavit? I'm not sure we can regard such a document as a reliable source given the lack of any editorial controls or verification. A court judgment might be a different case, but an affidavit doesn't seem to me to be a very satisfactory source. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 06:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::* In a sworn affidavit, the person is under oath. Theoretically, they'd face the same penalties as lying to the court from the witness stand. [[User:AndroidCat|AndroidCat]] 18:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:::That still does not give us the right to repeat the charges as if they were a fact. For all we know the person giving the testimony could be mentally unstable. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 19:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::In that case, why not remove otherwise citable references for everyone? They ''might'' be be mentally unstable too! [[User:AndroidCat|AndroidCat]] 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:::::Most of them are not making charges against living people. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 20:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Cockroach Clusters====
The issue seems to be now resolved. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 01:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
A very strange type of sweet, which Harry discovers accidentally to be one of the passwords to Professor Dumbledore's office. We can assume it to contain parts of or whole cockroaches, or to at least be shaped like cockroaches, as other sweets are shaped like frogs or mice. They are sold at Honeydukes shop in Hogsmeade.
 
====Chocolate Frogs====
:I'm afraid I have to take that last comment back. The statement has been returned to the article. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 10:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Chocolate Frogs are, as the name implies, [[frog]]s made of [[chocolate]], which may also be enchanted to move about like real frogs. Like bubble gum and other items in the muggle world, they are each packaged with a [[collectible card]] displaying a magical picture and brief [[biography]] of a famous witch or wizard. The cards named by the ''Harry Potter books'' include:
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Agrippa|Agrippa]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Ptolemy|Ptolemy]]
* [[Albus Dumbledore]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Nicolas Flamel|Nicolas Flamel]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Morgana|Morgana]]
* [[Hengist of Woodcroft]]
* Alberic Grunnion
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Circe|Circe]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Paracelsus|Paracelsus]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Merlin|Merlin]]
* [[Historical characters in Harry Potter#Druidess Cliodna|Druidess Cliodna]]
* [[Minor Harry Potter characters#Crospin Conk|Crospin Conk]]
* Bertie Bott
* [[Felix Summerbee]]
* [[Cassandra Vablatskey]]
* There is probably a card for [[Flavius Belby]], the only person known to have survived a Lethifold attack.
Additionally, [[J. K. Rowling]] designed{{Fact|date=June 2007}} four Wizard Cards for the four [[The Hogwarts Founders|Hogwarts founders]].
 
Chocolate Frogs first appear in ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'', when Harry is on the [[Hogwarts Express]] heading to Hogwarts. Having just met [[Ron Weasley]], Harry buys a large amount of food and sweets, including Chocolate Frogs, for the two of them to share. Harry opens a package to discover that the card inside depicts [[Albus Dumbledore]]. The films depict these frogs as capable of movement, though this does not appear to be canonically supported.
== [[John Cornyn]] {{blpwatch-links|John Cornyn}} ==
* {{article|John Cornyn}} - The "Casino investigation" section has no sources, and therefore is a serious breach of BLP. I strongly considered deleting the entire section, but have waited for input. But if none is forthcoming, the whole section has to go. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 23:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
: A brief search found [http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/nation/stories/MYSA111305.abramoff.ap.4e7dd322.html this] as a possible source for some of the material. The CREW item on their filing can be found [http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/19113 here]. That's obviously a primary source, but it could be used to support the fact that CREW indeed made a filing. [[User:JavaTenor|JavaTenor]] 00:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Those sources look sufficient to me. Someone [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Cornyn&diff=prev&oldid=121392835 removed the section] though. Can we/should we put the section back? [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] 21:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Chocolate Frogs appear throughout the series. Some fans had speculated that members of the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|Order of the Phoenix]] used the cards found with the Frogs to communicate. [[J.K. Rowling]] has denied this. Chocolate Frogs of a sort are also available through the [[Cap Candy Company]], though availability is limited in summer months due to the risk of them melting in transport. They each come with one [[holographic]] [[lenticular]] collector card.
== [[Ted Nugent]] {{blpwatch-links|Ted Nugent}} ==
* {{article|Ted Nugent}} - There's been a complaint about this being a biased article. A quick read over it and the 'controversies' section, gives me cause for concern. Some sources are very poor. I've no time to do this properly but some bold editing and removals look like being in order. Can folk deal with this?--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 11:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Droobles Best Blowing Gum====
:This bio is terrible. It needs a full re-write with some fact checking. The subject's (purported) just came through and deleted some extensive info, possibly justifiably. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 11:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Drooble's Best Blowing Gum is a [[bubble gum]] that fills a room with bluebell bubbles that refuse to pop for days. In Order of the Phoenix Alice Longbottom gave Neville a Droobles Bubblegum wrapper for Christmas.
::FYI to anyone who cares, I have deleted that revision as the edit summary contained a phone number. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 15:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Fizzing Whizzbees====
==[[Glenn Greenwald]] {{blpwatch-links|Glenn Greenwald}}==
Fizzing Whizbees cause the consumer to levitate for a while. They are rumoured to contain dried [[Minor Harry Potter beasts#Billywig|Billywig]] stings. Fizzing Whizzbees are also made by Cap Candy, and come with three packets (one Raspberry, one Strawberry and one Orange). They actually resemble [[Pop Rocks]].
* {{article|Glenn Greenwald}} - I don't know a lot about the subject of this article; however, it has been the subject of a protracted revert war as of late over [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glenn_Greenwald&oldid=121009001#Sock-puppet_controversy one section in particular]. The article is about a fairly notable blogger, and the section in question discusses a "controversy" in the [[blogosphere]] where someone accused the subject of sockpuppetry on other blogs to support himself and his own views. The article cites 3 sources; 2 are partisan blogs, and the other is the subject's response on his blog to those allegations. My understanding of [[WP:BLP]] is that it applies very clearly to this paragraph, and explicitly disallows it in the [[WP:BLP#Reliable_sources|"Reliable sources"]] section. The user advocating that the paragraph should stay, {{user|David Spart}} has not been able to provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] (though he has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Glenn_Greenwald&diff=118677727&oldid=118672704 claimed] that the blogs cited are not, in fact, blogs, and are "very very reliable"). He has also accused a number of accounts reverting the edits reinstating the paragraph of being sockpuppets. I attempted to interject in the discussion on the talk page as (what I felt was) a neutral third party, to no avail, so I am asking for further third-party input. Is my reading of both policy and this particular situation correct? Thanks in advance. —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 22:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'd like to add that the "sockpuppetry" section carries a negative POV and must be considered libelous. WP:BLP begs Editors to "especially" avoid potentially libelous material. --[[User:Astanhope|AStanhope]] 22:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Pepper Imps====
::This whole article seems way too heated. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 03:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Pepper Imps are tiny and black; they cause the consumer to smoke at the ears and breathe fire.
:::Hello David Spart here, the comments above are entirely shameless and mendacious in misrepresenting my position. It gives the impression that I as saying that blogs are "very very reliable" sources, when in fact the reliable sources the section are based on are [[Townhall.com]], [[US News and World Report]] and Greenwald's own defense, which is actually the bulk of the 70 word paragraph. [[User:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|<tt class="userlinks" style="1.3em">{{ucfirst:David Spart}}</tt>]] (<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|contribs]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|user={{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} logs] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|block user]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=block&page=User:{{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} block log]</span>) 02:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::It's not my intention to misrepresent your position or attack you (by all accounts, you are an excellent editor). However, the [http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/3b001458-fa09-4590-98ad-d69469036242 Townhall.com source] ''is'' a blog (and a partisan one at that, which [[WP:BLP]] specifically [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Reliable_sources|addresses]]). The [http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/archives/060726/sockpuppetry.htm?s_cid=rss:site1 U.S. News & World Report source] ''is'' a partisan blog. I am unsure whether Greenwald's own post on his blog about the issue makes the issue salient if we have no reliable sources that cover the incident in the first place. And note that I said that I am unsure — one of the reasons I have asked for 3rd party input here. I have no objections to the text itself, if it can be sourced to a (or preferably multiple) reliable source(s), as [[WP:BLP]] explicitly requires. I am positive that your position is held in good faith and in an attempt to make the article adhere to a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]]. However, at the moment, from my interpretation of the facts and BLP (which is non-negotiable, overarching policy), the section cannot remain in the article. —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 04:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::The fact that some major publications and outlets publish some of their material unter the heading "blog" does not in any way impair the WP:ATT status of the material in question. It has the same editorial overdight, and legal accountabliity if for example someone were to sue.Townhall.com is one of the biggest online outlets and is owned by a major corporation. The US News and WOrld Report is a major journal. Is the Gaudian's Commentisfree not a reliable source? Are the comoment pieces in any number of newspapers not reliable simply becasue when they are put up onine they are under the title blog? Is printing on paper the Gold Standard of ATT? No, if major coorporations are putting millions of dollars on the line to disemenate contention information then that satisfies ATT. No ATT problem, no NPOV problem, no BLP problem. [[User:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|<tt class="userlinks" style="1.3em">{{ucfirst:David Spart}}</tt>]] (<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|contribs]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|user={{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} logs] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|block user]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=block&page=User:{{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} block log]</span>) 05:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Actually, the editorial oversight on all 3 of the blogs sourced is nil, which is exactly why blogs aren't allowed to be cited as reliable sources per BLP. The amount of money being paid to disseminate information has no bearing on whether a source is reliable or not. I'm sorry, but I fundamentally disagree with your position. —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#333;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 14:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Outednt. You are wrong about that, for practical legal reasons. Here is the blurb about the commentisfree blog:
{{cquote|The site is edited by Georgina Henry, former deputy editor of the Guardian. Matt Seaton is the deputy editor, Brian Whitaker is a commissioning editor, Theresa Malone is chief sub and Mary Clarke is the editorial assistant. Richard Adams and Conor Clarke are commissioning editors based in Washington.}}
I can't find any staffing information for the US News and World Repost, but I asure you the same applies, as it does with [[Townhall.com]] owned by [[Salem Communications]]. If a major organisation is disseminating information through its own staff, you can sure there is editorial oversight, because anything libelous puts them at unlimited liability. There will a team of fact-checkers and a lawyer, as well as sub-editors. So, I guess we now have a question to ask the oracle. Are articles disseminated by major publication online under the title "blog" count as blogs or as reliable sources? Where do we go to get this question resolved?[[User:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|<tt class="userlinks" style="1.3em">{{ucfirst:David Spart}}</tt>]] (<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|contribs]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|user={{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} logs] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/{{ucfirst:David Spart}}|block user]] '''·''' [{{fullurl:Special:Log|type=block&page=User:{{urlencode:{{ucfirst:David Spart}}}}}} block log]</span>) 17:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:This is something that's been bothering me for a while, too. I would suggest a simple metric. The criterion for reliability isn't whether it's a blog, ''per se''; it's whether it has editorial oversight. The Guardian's commentisfree site clearly does. It's unclear whether US News and World Repost does and we shouldn't assume it in the absence of evidence. I would suggest excluding major-publication blogs if there is no evidence of editorial oversight, but including them if there is such evidence. However, this would require a change to [[WP:RS]]. Given that, this discussion would be better continued on [[Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources]] rather than here. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 11:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::The chances of such a policy change seem remote to me. For one thing it seems to override existing requirements regarding the source's fact-checking ''reputation'' (as derived from (other) reliable third-party sources) and replace it with an editor-dependent metric. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, personally I wouldn't care to speculate on the chances of a policy change. There might not need to be one, depending on how the current policy is interpreted. But you have a good point about the reputational issue. I've posed a few questions at [[Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources#Major-publication blogs?]] - hopefully we might get some useful responses. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 23:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree that insights from others (and certainly veteran editors monitoring the policy page) may prove useful in answering David Spart's "oracle" question and resolving this BLP problem. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 23:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Peppermint Toads====
==[[Straight, Incorporated]] {{blpwatch-links|Straight, Incorporated}}==
Peppermint Toads are peppermint creams in the shape of a [[toad]]. Once eaten, they give the sensation that they hop in the stomach.
→ ''See also: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Straight, Incorporated]]''
* {{article|Straight, Incorporated}} - Both the article and the article's talk page have some strong criminal allegations against the organization and its members/employees that are not currently supported by reliable sources. I had originally [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Straight, Incorporated|nominated this for deletion]] but additional sources were provided in the deletion debate and the discussion seems likely to close as "keep" or "no consensus". It sounds as if there is some basis to the allegations (which keeps me from simply removing them) but I'm concerned the article may be considered libellous in its current state. [[User:RJASE1|RJASE1]] [[User talk:RJASE1| <sup>Talk</sup> ]] 16:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Pumpkin Pasties====
== [[Roger E. Billings]] {{blpwatch-links|Roger E. Billings}} ==
Pumpkin Pasties are Pumpkin shaped pasties with no magical qualities.
{{article|Roger E. Billings}} - Billings is a promoter of hydrogen cars who had an article about him a couple of years ago on ''Time''. However, he's also revered as a "prophet and patriarch" by a small breakoff sect of Mormonism located in Missouri. This sect has always been very secretive, and information about them has maily been in news articles and court documents. One member (or former member, according to her) of that sect, [[User:Firewriter]], has been attempting to fill the article with [[WP:Verifiability|unverifiable]] information about Billings that portrays him in an absurdly glowing light (i.e., he supposedly invented the PC, networking, and the hydrogen car), while ignoring the published information about his links to the religious sect. [[User:Firewriter]] works with Billings in their underground Academy, and as far as I know, may even be a relation. Her contribution amounts to creating a vanity article for her religious leader. I've attempted to limit the article to documented published sources, but she insists on adding material in violation of the BLP policy. Please help! // [[User:MotherHubbard|MotherHubbard]] 23:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
* {{userlinks|Firewriter}}
* {{userlinks|Treepoet}}<br />
:Also to be watched is [[User:Treepoet]], who admits she is another member of Billings' organization. Treepoet and/or Firewriter may also have been using sockpuppets, because I've traced an anonymous IP to Missouri, where Billings' organization is headquartered. [[User:MotherHubbard|MotherHubbard]] 23:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Toothflossing Stringmints====
::Getting a car to run on hydrogen is not terribly hard, similar to converting to natural gas. Anyway, the article looks like it's been improved. I'll keep an eye on it too. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] · [[User talk:Will Beback|†]] · 00:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Toothflossing Stringmints are odd splintery mints that presumably clean and [[flossing|floss]] one's teeth.
 
====Ice Mice====
==[[Yehuda HaKohen]] {{blpwatch-links|Yehuda HaKohen}}==
Ice Mice are [[mouse]]-shaped candy that make one's teeth squeak and chatter.
* {{article|Yehuda HaKohen}} - <br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_HaKohen {{unsigned|60.242.18.214 |10:36, April 10, 2007 (UTC)}}
 
====Levitating Sherbet Balls====
==[[Todd Goldman]] {{blpwatch-links|Todd Goldman}}==
Levitating Sherbet Balls are sweet balls that make the eater levitate.
* {{article|Todd Goldman}} - Potentially libelous accusations of plagiarism from trivial unreliable sources like blogs and message boards have been repeatedly added recently. See, for example, here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Todd_Goldman&diff=121886803&oldid=121885514] // [[User:Dragonfiend|Dragonfiend]] 08:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Liquorice Wands====
== [[Nick Baylis]] {{blpwatch-links|Nick Baylis}} ==
It is not known whether Liquorice Wands contain any magical qualities. They appear in ''Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone'' on the sweets cart on the train, and in the [[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]] film when Ron requests them, again on the train.
* {{userlinks|192.188.101.10}}
* {{article|Nick Baylis}} - [[User:192.188.101.10]] has repeatedly written that the subject is a "total fraud". I'm going to be away for a couple weeks, please watchlist the article and block/semiprotect if he continues. // [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 11:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 
====Sugar Quills====
== [[Merril Hoge]] {{blpwatch-links|Merril Hoge}} ==
Sugar [[Quill]]s are popular among students, as they can be eaten during class, "and just look like you're thinking what to write next," according to Ron Weasley.
* {{userlinks|71.96.155.83}}
* {{userlinks|71.252.184.55}}
* {{userlinks|24.242.150.51}}
* {{article|Merril Hoge}} - An article about a somewhat unpopular [[ESPN]] [[NFL]] analyst. For some time now, this article has seen the repeated insertion (mostly by anons) of claims about Hoge's supposed "bias", "hatred", "vendetta", etc. toward [[Tennessee Titans]] quarterback [[Vince Young]], based on his criticism of the QB in a few on-air spots. Requests for reliable sources regarding his supposed "bias" or the claim that he is "noted" for this criticism have gone unanswered. I could use some outside input on this one. <i><b>[[User:WarpstarRider|Warpstar]]</b>[[User_talk:WarpstarRider|Rider]]</i> 22:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Two-way mirrors===
== [[Nadine Gordimer]] {{blpwatch-links|Nadine Gordimer}} ==
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'', [[Sirius Black|Sirius]] gives Harry a mirror he originally used to communicate with James in detention. It is activated by holding one of them and saying the name of the other possessor, their face appears on your mirror and vice-versa. Harry receives this mirror from Sirius in a package after spending his Christmas holiday at [[Grimmauld Place]]. Harry, at first, chooses not to open the package, although he does discover the mirror after Sirius's death, by which point it is no longer functional although it would have by far been an easier method to check if Sirius was alive. Rowling has noted that the mirror "will help more than you think", implying that it will return in the last book. It makes its appearance when [[Mundungus Fletcher]] loots Grimmauld Place and sells it to Dumbledore's brother, [[Aberforth Dumbledore]], who uses it to watch out for Harry.
Please see the entry for [[Nadine Gordimer]]. Ongoing violations of BLP have been occurring there for months. In summary, the issue stems from an attack and robbery at her South African house. There has been months of argument about whether to include mention of the race of the attackers. No reliable and legitimate secondary sources have been provided establishing that the race of the attackers is notable ''for the subject of the entry''. There is clear evidence of POV-pushing, and a general refusal to edit this BLP entry with sensitivity. I have only begun contributing to this entry today, making clear my view that no justification for including discussion of the race of the attackers has been provided, and making clear my view that this is a clear violation of BLP, NOR, and NPOV (see [[Talk:Nadine_Gordimer#BLP_and_notability]]). [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 05:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Deathly Hallows===
*BLP does not say "several legitimate and reliable sources." On the other hand, an ''article's'' subject is notable "if it has been the subject of non-trivial published works by multiple separate sources that are independent of that subject itself." Gordimer is notable. Nobody denies that.
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===Foe-glass===
*The race of the attackers is not questioned as a verified fact by either side. The material is based on reliable sources, is accurate and relevant per RS and BLP. The ''Sunday Times of London'' and ''Daily Telegraph'' are RS. It's an NPOV debate, not BLP. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 07:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
A '''Foe-glass''' is a mirror that shows its owner's enemies in or out of focus, depending on how close they are, though, like all Dark detectors, they can be fooled, as mentioned by Harry in the fifth book at the beginning of the first D.A. meeting.
 
===The Goblet of Fire===
{{cite news | title = Nobel writer Nadine Gordimer, 82, attacked and robbed | url = | date = October 29, 2006 | publisher = The Sunday Times (London) }}<p>
The Goblet of Fire is used solely to choose the school champions on the occasion of a [[Triwizard Tournament]], in {{HP4}}, serving as an "impartial judge" and is apparently of the possession of [[Albus Dumbledore]]. It is not known whether it has any other magical ability, though [[Alastor Moody]] (the impostor) stated once that the Goblet of Fire was "a very powerful magical object" and it is very difficult to be hoodwinked, unless if someone uses an exceptionally strong Confundus Charm(During the fourth film). This is one of the first clues that he is involved in the hoodwinking.
{{cite news | title = Gang who robbed me should have jobs to do, says Gordimer| | date = November 2, 2006 | publisher = The Daily Telegraph (London) }}
 
===Gubraithian fire===
*The entry has been blocked for a week by user Durova, who did not take a position on the dispute. However I refer others to the discussion mentioned above, at [[Talk:Nadine_Gordimer#BLP_and_notability]], in particular my detailed explanation of the policy situation [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANadine_Gordimer&diff=122171066&oldid=122170997 here], as well as to the explanation I gave to Durova [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADurova&diff=122173251&oldid=122173115 here]. It seems to me that rather than a dispute-resolution process, the clear violation of BLP occurring at this entry requires more decisive action. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 08:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
'''Gubraithian fire''' is first mentioned in chapter twenty of ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]''. Hagrid and Madame Maxime gave a branch of Gubraithian fire to the giant leader (Gurg) in his journey. Gubraithian fire will never die out, and it is said that only extremely skilled wizards and witches can conjure it.
 
The name of Gubraithian Fire is evidently taken from the [[Scottish Gaelic language|Scottish Gaelic]] phrase ''"gu bràth"'' which means "forever" [http://www.taic.btinternet.co.uk/faclair.htm]. The phrase also appears in the [[Oil Thigh]] song of [[Queen's University]] (Kingston Ontario).
*I further note that user Yakuman has insisted on posting the disputed material on the talk page of the entry (in a section called "Missing material"). If the material is indeed a violation of policy, then its inclusion on the talk page (as it already is numerous times) is another violation of the policy, and ought to be removed also. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 08:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In addition, it is possible that Gubraithian Fire is a reference to [[greek fire]], a type of flammable liquid used as a weapon by the Byzantine empire. Once lit, Greek fire would remain burning for long periods of time, even if doused in water (this actually made it hotter if not used sufficiently, as it would merely spread the liquid).
== Jeremy St. Louis Biography ==
* {{article|Jeremy St. Louis}} - This article contains factually inaccurate information relating to a romantic link between Jeremy and his co-anchor Michelle Lissel. It has been removed twice and re-inserted. Please help to rectify this or remove the bio entirely!! [[User:24.79.130.95|24.79.130.95]] 13:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Horcruxes===
==[[Template:Dominionism]] {{blpwatch-links|Template:Dominionism}}==
{{main|Horcrux}}
* {{article|Template:Dominionism}}
 
===Howler===
This template contains a list of alleged "advocates" of and "organizations" associated with the [[Dominionism]] movement. The term "Dominionist" describes an extreme element of the [[Religious Right]], and is used almost exclusively and pejoratively by opponents
A '''Howler''' is a bright red letter usually signifying displeasure and/or anger from the sender directed at the recipient. When it is opened, the sender's voice will bellow at the recipient with the voice magically magnified to deafening volumes before self-destructing. If it is never opened, it will explode violently and the message will be heard anyway. In the film version, the Howler folds itself into a stylised set of lips before dissolving into scraps of paper.
of the Religious Right. The problem here is that there is at least one IP user who insists on including mainstream Religious Right figures like [[James Dobson]] and [[Rick Warren]] on that list. There are only a few little-known extremists who self-label as Dominionist; Dobson and Warren, among others, do not. The IP user is presenting a list of exclusively partisan and mostly non-notable sources as cites, and doesn't seem to understand that [[WP:BLP]] does not allow one to use partisan sources to make a factual statement about the membership of an individual in a controversial movement. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 19:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets|Chamber of Secrets]]'', Ron receives a Howler from his mother, [[Molly Weasley|Mrs Weasley]] after he steals his father's enchanted car and flies it to [[Hogwarts]] with [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry]].
:[[Poisoning the well|Poison the well]] much? That is not a balanced description of events. The facts are that both [[User:Yakuman]] and [[User:Merzbow]] have ignored and dismissed literally a dozen reliable sources given supporting the inclusion of these individuals. Notably, Merzbow claims [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADominionism&diff=122104148&oldid=122098510 here] that [[Harpers]] and [[Slate (magazine)]] are not reliable sources because they are "well-known left-wing magazines." In that same comment falsely portrays [http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.w.htm SeekGod.ca], [http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/Globel%20Peace%20plan.htm ThePropheticYears.com], [http://www.prophecyforum.com/Sundquist/RICKWARREN.htm ProphecyForum.com] as "forums" and "left-wing" and hence not reliable sources. Viewing those 3 sources it is clear they are neither "forums" nor "left-wing," so the misrepresentation and stonewalling by these two (which following their pattern appears to be based on their personal ideologies) needs to stop. An example of a source that Merzbow objects is a May 2005 article in [[Harpers]] which described James Dobson as "perhaps the most powerful figure in the [[Dominionism|Dominionist]] movement" and "a crucial player in getting out the Christian vote for George W. Bush." [http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/05/0080541 Feeling the hate with the National Religious Broadcasters] (a subscription is required, but it is reprinted here: [http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/FeelingTheHate.html]). [[User:151.151.73.167|151.151.73.167]] 19:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::Incorrect, there is no Slate cite being presented, you mean Salon, which along with Harpers are partisan left-progressive sources, as their Wikipedia articles acknowledge. Listing names of people as proponents of an ideology is stating a fact - a claim of consensus. [[WP:RS]] is quite explicit about this situation: "Just as underlying facts must be sourced, claims of consensus must be sourced in the presence of differences of opinion... In the absence of a reliable source of consensus or majority view, opinions should be identified as those of the sources." You cannot use exclusively partisan sources to establish a fact. And [[WP:BLP]] comes in because Dominionism is a pejorative term that the figures in question decidedly do not self-label as; the progressive media often equates Dominionism with Fascism. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 20:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you for correcting my mistake, I meant Salon, not Slate. Again, you're presenting and attacking a straw man of my original points, which still stand, and offering a slanted view of the actual issues. "''The progressive media''"? Your choice of language belies your own motive and bias. Harpers is hardly the [[Guardian (United States)|Guardian]], as you'd have us believe. [[User:151.151.73.164|151.151.73.164]] 22:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Neville Longbottom received one from his grandmother after [[Sirius Black]] used his list of passwords to enter [[Gryffindor]] Common Room in ''[[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban]]''.
We do not list people in categories in Wikipedia solely on the say-so of their political enemies in opinion pieces. As it seems you have no intention of budging, I encourage those reading to chime in here so we can establish consensus against this ridiculous position and get the template unlocked. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 23:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:Until you acknowledge that Harpers has long been accepted across Wikipedia as a reliable source as an admin, [[User:FYCTravis]], just pointed out to you there, I highly recommend ''not'' unlocking the template. The only ridiculous position there is the one that dismisses or ignores reliable sources because they do no align with personal beliefs. [[User:151.151.73.164|151.151.73.164]] 23:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Harpers and Salon are both reliable sources (Harpers easily so). There's no BLP issue here. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 23:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
: Representing negative political opinions about a person as fact in Wikipedia articles is not a BLP issue? You sure about that? - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 23:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:: There isn't a BLP issue when we have reliable sources. Harpers is reliable. Period. That's the end of the matter. You have now been told this by a variety of people and simply don't seem to want to listen. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 01:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: And a whole other variety of people, including at least one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Dominionism&diff=122087484&oldid=122086549 admin], have said otherwise. "The article should document, in a non-partisan manner... The writing style should be neutral, factual, and understated, avoiding both a sympathetic point of view and an advocacy journalism point of view." That is from BLP. It's also similar to language in NPOV. One could argue that NPOV is the more relevant policy, except that a template here is unconditionally listing certain living people as adherents of a fascist ideology, a claim made ONLY by the political enemies of these individuals. But if you want me gone from this noticeboard, then so be it. This can just as easily be argued on NPOV grounds. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] 03:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Er, what part of CMummert's comment do you interpret as supporting your assertion? Must be something written in a magic hidden script. The simple fact is that the connection is based on [[Chris Hedges|Pulitzer Prize-winning]] journalists and serious academics. At the same time, Merzbow has yet to provide a shred of evidence that anyone (except him and a couple of his friends) questions. Can the unsourced ''opinion'' of a Wikipedia editor really nullify the work of serious journalists? [[User:72.198.121.115|72.198.121.115]] 04:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't object to noting that dominionists are such, and saying who they are when there is a broad consensus in the sources. But we should not be carrying water for people who want to advance their own agenda by labeling their political opponents. We don't put Michael Savage in ''Template:lazy people'' and cite it to Salon[http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/05/20/savage/index.html]; we say, "Critics such as...Dave Gilson of Salon.com accuse him of fascist leanings,[39] racism,[40] homophobia[41] and bigotry,[40] because of his controversial statements about Jews, Arabs, Islam, homosexuality, feminism, sex education, and immigration." [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 23:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::I don't see [[Michelle Goldberg]] as having such a political or ideological ax to grind in [http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2006/05/12/goldberg/?source=whitelist her Salon article] that it would preclude it being used as source there. Her views are pretty run-of-the-mill for the large segment of society that does not accept the aims of the religious right. As long as the individuals listed in the template are named in published in reliable sources that are not hit pieces or smear jobs, but reflect notable and relevant viewpoints, I don't see an issue here. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 05:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Dumbledore sends Petunia Dursley a Howler in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'' to remind her of the agreement to allow Harry to live at Privet Drive when Harry's Uncle Vernon attempts to throw him out after the [[Dementor]] attack.
Is it really a good idea to have a template for someone's views, even if they are run-of-the-mill and reflect those of a large segment of society? Is this template really needed at all? It could also be asked why are people interested in dominionism at all? Why are they talking and writing about it? Do very many believe in it? Are people interested in learning about it? Or do they think that by talking about it they might influence the outcome of the 2008 elections? [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 20:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Invisibility Cloak===
==[[Jack Ingram]] {{blpwatch-links|Jack Ingram}}==
An '''Invisibility Cloak''' makes its wearer [[invisible]]. Harry Potter inherited one from his father, who had left it in the care of [[Albus Dumbledore]], and uses it throughout the books in order to sneak around the school. The Cloak is large enough for [[Ron Weasley|Ron]] and [[Hermione Granger|Hermione]] to accompany him underneath it, although this becomes more difficult as they grow throughout the series.
* {{userlinks|65.216.75.240}}
* {{article|Jack Ingram}} - Someone keeps vandalizing this wiki, by continually putting derogatory remarks about this person.// [[User:208.49.141.14|208.49.141.14]] 19:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Invisibility Cloaks are very rare and expensive, and they are spun from the pelts of [[Magical beasts (Harry Potter)|Demiguises]], magical herbivores that are found in the [[Far East]], or are ordinary cloaks with an invisiblity spell placed on them. It is stated that over time, they will lose their invisibility ability, eventually becoming opaque. In [[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]], it was revealed that the invisibility cloak Harry had was one of the [[Deathly Hallows (object)|Deathly Hallows]], which are magical objects which can give the owner of all the objects lordship over death. Harry's cloak is a perfect example. Its invisibility charm will never wear off, but gives him absolutely perfect invisibility forever.
==[[Mindy Kaling]] {{blpwatch-links|Mindy Kaling}}==
* {{article|Mindy Kaling}} - defamatory/unsourced/tabloid-sourced info being added, please watch for reliability of information added. Formerly OFFICE protected. [[User:Mindspillage|Kat Walsh]] [[User talk:Mindspillage|(spill your mind?)]] 01:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 
;Known owners:
==[[Vic Sprouse]] {{blpwatch-links|Vic Sprouse}}==
* {{userlinks|Tracy112}}
* {{userlinks|75.165.2.32}}
* {{userlinks|71.217.102.191}}
 
*[[Mad-Eye Moody]] (who is known to possess two; one of these is borrowed by [[Sturgis Podmore]] in the course of work for the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|Order of the Phoenix]]); he can see through them with his magical eye.
* {{article|Vic Sprouse}} - Thank you. There has been several cases of changes to the 'Vic Sprouse' bio that includes information about alleged infidelity and information on a recent divorce. It has been removed on several occasions and continues to reappear. Can this be stopped? Thanks! {{unsigned|VicSprouse}}
*[[Harry Potter (character)|Harry Potter]]; the previous owner of this Cloak was his father [[James and Lily Potter|James Potter]]. It is also one of the fabled [[Deathly Hallows (object)|Deathly Hallows]], the others of which are the Elder Wand and the Resurrection Stone.
:I have added the article to my watchlist. Obviously, the addition of unsourced negative claims violates Wikipedia's [[WP:BLP|policy on biographies of living persons]]. If the vandalism returns, the user in question can be [[WP:BP|blocked]] from editing or the article can be temporarilly [[WP:PROT|protected]] from being edited by new users. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 00:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
*[[Barty Crouch Senior]], who used it to hide his son.
 
Invisibility Cloaks can be seen through by certain people and creatures, such as [[Alastor Moody]] (because of his magical eye), and also apparently [[Albus Dumbledore]] and Mrs Norris, feline pet of Filch, caretaker of Hogwarts. Dementors, who are blind, and who sense rather than see humans, are unaffected by Cloaks.
==[[Kris Weston]] {{blpwatch-links|Kris Weston}}==
* {{userlinks|81.96.161.100}}
* {{article|Kris Weston}} - Kris Weston, a former member (early 1990s !!!!) of the techno/ambience/experimental British act [[The Orb]], complains that the article regarding him is full of mistaken info, sourced on faked info taken from untrustable and malicious "paparazzi"-style sites. He really doesn't want to have an entry here, though he is (or was very) notable, I think he's the right to ask such removal. He no longer want to talk to this site 'cos he feels that many mot..fuc... are here just to have fun on him.[[User:Doktor Who|Doktor Who]] 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
*He has been highly uncivil when dealing with us and has not even attempted a dialog not filled with death threats and cursing. None of the sources are from paparazzi sites, but from British print newspapers. There is no attack/negative information in any articles about him, so I really don't know what his problem is. I don't understand what ''specific'' information is contentious. [[User:Wickethewok|Wickethewok]] 01:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
*Oh, this story is very simple: he feels that over a dozen of ppl are deliberaterly misrepresenting him and some of his past; therefore he regards almost everyone here as a potential and actual harrasser. Anyone would behave like him. Furthermore (but this is just my opinion), I sadly realize that none took some minutes of his/her time to talk to him politely, avoiding at the same time the use of any term or sentence that may sound so "Wikipedia slang".[[User:Doktor Who|Doktor Who]] 02:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Rowling has stated that James Potter's Cloak was indeed in the care of Albus Dumbledore (as stated in the note included with it when Harry received it at Christmas of his first year) at the time James died and noted that there is an important reason for this.
==[[Dana White]] {{blpwatch-links|Dana White}}==
* {{article|Dana White}} I'm not familiar with the subject of this article, but there appears to be a fair amount of POV-pushing going on, especially by [[User:Theword2]]. Is this just garden-variety [[WP:VANDAL|vandalism]], or is there something else that needs to be dealt with here? [[User:JavaTenor|JavaTenor]] 04:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===The Marauder's Map===
:He doesn't seem to be very notable either, at least from what we are given in the article. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 04:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The '''Marauder's Map''' was created by [[Remus Lupin]], [[Peter Pettigrew]], [[Sirius Black]], and [[James and Lily Potter|James Potter]] (the '''[[Marauders (Harry Potter)|Marauders]]''') to aid their mischief-making. They gained extensive knowledge about Hogwarts grounds from their frequent night-time adventures while transformed as animals (Black, Pettigrew and Potter being [[Animagus|Animagi]] and Lupin a werewolf). They used this knowledge to create the Marauder's Map. The Map bears its creators' nicknames (derived from their animal forms): ''Moony'' (Lupin, a [[werewolf]]), ''Wormtail'' (Pettigrew, a rat), ''Padfoot'' (Black, a dog), and ''Prongs'' (Potter, a [[deer|stag]]).
:: I would think being president of a notable organization such as the [[Ultimate Fighting Championship]] would be sufficient claim to notability, and there seems to be plenty of news coverage. [[User:JavaTenor|JavaTenor]] 05:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
At first glance, the Map is simply a blank [[parchment]]; but when the user says, "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good," it reveals the message, "Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs are proud to present the Marauders Map," and Hogwarts' layout (including secret passageways) is shown. Saying, "Mischief managed!" returns the map to its original blank state. The Map also gives information on how to open secret passageways. Several locations (such as the [[Locations in Hogwarts#Room of Requirement|Room of Requirement]] and probably the [[Chamber of Secrets]]) do not appear on the map. It would seem that the four friends either did not have any knowledge of them, or&mdash;in the case of the former&mdash;they are unplottable.
:::Please put some in the article. :-) [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 14:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The Marauder's Map is covered in tiny ink dots accompanied by minuscule names, indicating the every person's ___location in Hogwarts. This, according to Harry, is the map's most remarkable feature, and is helpful in evading teachers and other people whom one wishes to avoid while "managing mischief." The Marauder's Map cannot be fooled by [[Animagus]] disguises or [[Magical objects in Harry Potter#Invisibility Cloak|Invisibility Cloaks]]. Not even [[Potions in Harry Potter#Polyjuice_Potion|Polyjuice Potion]] can outwit the Marauder's Map: Crabbe and Goyle liberally use Polyjuice Potion in The Half-Blood Prince, but the map continues to displays their true identities. For this reason, Barty Crouch Jr., disguised as Mad-Eye Moody, considered it a threat and asks to 'borrow' the map from a trusting Harry.
==[[Scientology Finance]]==
It doesn't name any individuals but it seems to violate the spirit of WP's living persons policies. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 06:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The Map was given to Harry by [[Fred and George Weasley]], who found it in [[Argus Filch|Filch]]'s office. It makes its first appearance in ''[[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban|Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', and has been featured in all subsequent novels.
:It doesn't really have anything to do with [[WP:BLP]], but that article could use a trip to [[WP:AFD|another three-letter acronym]]. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 00:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban|Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', [[Severus Snape|Professor Snape]] finds the Map in Harry's possession and tries to force it to reveal its secrets; the Map responds by insulting him. Professor Lupin arrives, says he will investigate, and takes it with him. He returns the map to Harry after resigning his post at Hogwarts. The Map retains an echo of its creators' personalities, much like the [[#The Sorting Hat|Sorting Hat]] remembers the thoughts and opinions of the school founders. Snape, however, continues to insist that the Map contains Dark Magic.
::It talks about the policies of "Scientology organizations." I think that involves living persons, even it they are not mentioned by name. I have been warned not to nominate any more articles for deletion, after I nominated their beloved [[Xenu]]. :-) [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 04:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the book the Map is a piece of parchment; in the films, the Map appears with a cover that unfolds in two with many other folds inside each other. All the lines in the Map are made up of what at first glance are just random letters, but upon closer inspection are Latin words.
I am putting this section back after it was removed. It seems to me that if the article is saying that these are policies being followed by Scientologists then living people are involved. On the other hand if they are just [[L. Ron Hubbard]]'s opinions the article should be deleted as non-notable and original research, which is what BigDT seems to be saying. Thanks. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the books, there is no mention of Harry recovering the Map from the office of the [[Barty Crouch Junior|Professor Moody imposter]]; when asked, Rowling answered that Harry had indeed sneaked into the office and recovered it in the days following the Third Task. She also commented that she had intended to include a scene or mention it.
:Steve, this isn't a BLP issue any more than an article containing criticisms of [[Microsoft]] would be a BLP violation directed at [[Bill Gates]]. Could I remind you that this noticeboard is about '''biographical''' articles? Please take it elsewhere. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 21:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===The Mirror of Erised===
::Um no it's not. It's for reporting problems with articles with regards to the BLP policy, which covers all articles which reference living people. Check out the policy. I haven't looked into this particular care, but as the issues Steve is discussing are with regards to BLP, then it is appropriate to discuss here. If you don't agree with his intepretation of BLP in this regard, that's fine, but it's still the appropriate place to discuss an article with which an editor has BLP concerns. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 21:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The '''Mirror of Erised''' is a mystical mirror discovered by Harry in a back corridor of [[Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry]] in ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]''. On it is inscribed, ''erised stra ehru oyt ube cafru oyt on wohsi'' &mdash; which, when reversed and correctly spaced, reads ''I show not your face but your heart's desire''. According to [[Albus Dumbledore|Dumbledore]], the Mirror "shows us nothing more or less than the deepest, most desperate desire of our hearts"; Harry, upon encountering the Mirror, can see his parents, as well as what appears to be a crowd of relatives; Ron sees himself as Head Boy and [[Quidditch]] Captain holding the Quidditch Cup (thus revealing his wish to be acknowledged in the shadow of his highly successful older brothers). Dumbledore, one of the only other characters to face the Mirror in the novel, claims to see himself holding a pair of [[sock]]s, telling Harry that ''"...one can never have enough socks." '', also lamenting that he did not receive any for [[Christmas]], since people will insist on giving him books. If the claim was true, it might suggest that Dumbledore is, indeed, so content that he can wish for such small things. On the other hand, as the book is careful to inform us, Harry suspects he might merely have not wished to tell Harry. "It had been rather a personal question." Dumbledore lying about this seems to be corroborated by Rowling as well. Dumbledore's deepest desire is revealed in the last book to be the knowledge of who killed Arianna, if it was [[Grindelwald]], [[Aberforth Dumbledore]], or himself.<ref>[http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview2.shtml MuggleNet | Emerson and Melissa's J.K. Rowling Interview Page 2]</ref>
::::Exactly. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The Mirror of Erised was the final protection given to the [[Philosopher's Stone]]. Dumbledore hid the Mirror and hid the Stone inside it, knowing that only a person who wanted to ''find'' the Stone, but not to ''use'' it, would be able to obtain the stone. Anyone else would see himself making an Elixir of Life or turning things to gold, rather than actually see himself find the Stone, as [[Professor Quirrell]] claimed to have seen - as Dumbledore tells Harry, "It was one of my more brilliant ideas, and between you and me, that's saying something."
:::I did take a look at the article (which I agree isn't very well written) - since the only person named is [[L. Ron Hubbard]] and he's definitely dead, I fail to see the relevance to BLP. Hence my analogy to Microsoft. If we (hypothetically) had an article that said "Microsoft does bad things", it would be stretching a point and then some to claim that it was some sort of BLP violation directed at a specific Microsoft employee. Then again, since corporations are regarded as [[legal person]]s, perhaps BLP could be construed to cover them too. But do we really want to go there? :-) -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 21:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Moody's Magical Trunk===
::::Like [[User:BigDT|BigDT]] and [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]], I fail to see the relevance to BLP. However, the fact that this material is allowed per WP:BLP does not warrant the deletion of the article per nn or OR claims as suggested by [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]]. Solution: make sure the article is sufficiently sourced where possible, and remove any remaining disputed material. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 22:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Alastor Moody owns a rather interesting magical trunk. It has seven locks on it, and the trunk opens to a different assortment of objects for each lock. Most notably, though, the seventh compartment is about 10 feet deep, and is where Barty Crouch Jr. imprisoned the real Moody. Other compartments contain spellbooks, Dark Detectors, and Moody's Invisibility Cloak.
 
===Omnioculars===
Thanks you all. I tend to think that an article titled "Catholic Finance" or "Jewish Finance" wouldn't be allowed on WP. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 02:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Omnioculars are magical brass binoculars used by Harry, Ron, and Hermione in the fourth book during the Quidditch World Cup. Omnioculars, besides having magnified lenses, have many features. Among them, the ones mentioned are the ability to replay or slow down something seen through the lenses, although a side-effect being that the view in the lenses is not accurate of what is currently happening, since it's going slower than real life. They also have a play-by-play feature, where the names of moves performed by Quidditch players is shown in bright purple letters across the Omnioculars lenses.
 
===Pensieve===
:And Steve Dufour just twisted the facts: catholic and jewish are adjectives pertaining to adherents to those religions. Scientology is a noun pertaining to the subject or organization of scientology. Looks like Steve is promoting a tendentious argument.--[[User:Fahrenheit451|Fahrenheit451]] 04:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
A '''Pensieve''' is a stone receptacle in which to store memories. Covered in mystic runes, it has liquid nor gas within its basin. A witch or wizard can extract their own memories or someone else's and store them in the Pensieve and review them later. It also relieves the mind when it becomes flooded with information. Anyone can examine the memories in the Pensieve, which also allows viewers to fully immerse themselves in the memories stored within, much like a magical form of [[virtual reality]]. [[Tom Riddle's diary]] seems to have this same form of virtual reality. Oddly, users of these devices view the memories from a [[Third-person narrative|third person]] view, providing a near-[[omniscient]] perspective of the events preserved. This of course, raises questions of how they are able to see things beyond what they have remembered. Rowling answered this question in an interview, confirming that memories in the pensieve allow one to view details of things that happened even if they did not notice or remember them, and stated that "that's the magic of the Pensieve, what brings it alive" [http://mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml]. The contents of a Pensieve, as mentioned in the book, look neither like smoke nor like water. The "memory" has the appearance of silver threads. Memories that have been heavily manipulated or tampered with to alter perspectives (such as [[Horace Slughorn]]'s) may appear thick and jelly-like and offer obscured viewing. Memories are not limited to just those of humans, since at least one [[house-elf]] provided Dumbledore with one as well.
 
It is questionable as to what will happen to the Pensieve in Dumbledore's office, as it contains many secrets and a considerable part of Dumbledore's knowledge. The Pensieve could pose a possibly powerful threat if Voldemort should choose to try and take it, or a powerful tool for Harry should he have access to it.
::If reliable sources would report that e.g. the Catholic Church had such a policy, a similar article would be hard to keep out. Not that disallowing one article would automatically also disallow another one. Having said that, I'm not so sure that the article would survive AfD, although Steve's argument re other churches will not be decisive. His earlier arguments (non-notable and OR), however, might. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 15:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
''Pensieve'' is a portmanteau of 'sieve' (a device used for sifting) and 'pensive' (thoughtful or full of thoughts). It is also a (possibly unintentional) anagram of Pevensie, the surname of Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy in the [[Chronicles of Narnia]].
==[[Lindsay Lohan]] {{blpwatch-links|Lindsay Lohan}}==
* {{article|Lindsay Lohan}} - another user has expressed concern about the following passage: ''In 2006, Brandon Davis called Lindsay Lohan a "firecrotch" while Paris Hilton laughed on. The term stuck with many celebrity gossip magazines and websites, becoming a derogatory nickname and spawning parodies'' and the references cited to support this. I've removed one obvious copyvio YouTube link but as to the BLP/reliable sources situation, I'm not really sure what action to take. Anyone more experienced with this sort of thing care to take a look and give me their opinion? Thanks. // [[User:Kurt Shaped Box|Kurt Shaped Box]] 21:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
: I could not find a discussion of the firecrotch edits on the current talk page or the last archive. Discuss an issue on the article's talk page before bringing it here. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 09:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Dumbledore's Pensieve first appears in ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]'', again in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'', and plays a pivotal role in ''[[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]''. It makes a last appearance in ''[[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]'' when Harry uses it to decipher the memories of [[Severus Snape]].
::Sorry - it was mentioned [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Lindsay_Lohan|here]]... --[[User:Kurt Shaped Box|Kurt Shaped Box]] 16:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Photographs===
== [[Pascal_Duquenne]] ==
{{main|Portrait (Harry Potter)#Photographs}}
The information that [[Pascal_Duquenne]] actually suffers from [[Down syndrome]] is repeatedly added to his biography page and my corrections are reverted, my question on the discussion page remains unanswered. I explored the sources and found no trustworthy information that would prove this statement: from two sources one does not mention him at all and the second one, where he listed as a person with Down Syndrome, is just a compilation of the "readers' opinions", rather than any official page. Since it is not clearly proved by sources, I would avoid putting this information into the bio article. [[User:Alaudo|Alaudo]] 21:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Portraits===
== [[Marcus Allen]] ==
{{Main|Portrait (Harry Potter)}}
I could not find my original post in the archives. [[Ronnie Lott]] said in an interview with [[Byron Allen]] that he and Marcus Allen would not have graduated without cheating help from Byron Allen. Can this be posted on the Marcus Allen article ? On the talk pages someone is saying that it cannot be because Marcus Allen has made no comment about the interview. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 22:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Deluminator===
== [[Sheikh Adelabu]] ==
The '''deluminator''' is a device used, and possibly invented, by [[Albus Dumbledore]] to turn off the streetlights along a street at night. It looks like a standard cigarette lighter. It never officially receives the name "Put-Outer"; after a description of what it is and what it does, the narrator dubs it a ''Put-Outer''. The Put-Outer makes four appearances:
Hi all :) The above referenced article doesn't seem to claim anything controversial or alarming, but is always alarms me when living person bios are completely unsourced--there's not even an extenal link at the bottom of the page. I'm going to notify the page's creator once I find the right tag... I've tagged the page with <nowiki>{{Blpdispute}}</nowiki>--is there anything else I should do? THanks! [[User:Wysdom|Wysdom]] 02:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
* In ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'', Dumbledore uses the Put-Outer to darken Privet Drive, where the [[Relatives of Harry Potter#Vernon Dursely|Dursley]] household is located. Dumbledore is expecting [[Rubeus Hagrid]] to transport the infant Harry to Privet Drive, where Dumbledore will leave him at the Dursley household. Dumbledore's Put-Outer allows Hagrid to arrive with added secrecy, which is necessary because Harry's parents have been murdered the night before. This makes the Put-Outer the first piece of magic to be shown in the novels.
:I saw wait a couple of days and then put a speedy deletion non-notable tag on it. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 21:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
* In ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'', Dumbledore loans the Put-Outer to [[Mad-Eye Moody]], who uses it when transporting Harry from the Dursleys' home to the headquarters of the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix|Order of the Phoenix]] at [[12 Grimmauld Place]]. Again the Put-Outer provides secrecy to keep Harry and the headquarters safe.
::I added a speedy delete tag to it. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 10:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* In ''[[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]'', Dumbledore uses it again to darken Privet Drive before collecting Harry.
* In ''[[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]'', it is known as the Deluminator. It is bequeathed to [[Ron Weasley]] by Dumbledore and he uses it to return to Harry and Hermoine after leaving in a fit of anger. It is also used in the Malfoy Manor's cellar, where Ron and Harry are caught by the Death Eaters and thrown in.
 
===Quick Quotes Quill===
== [[Howard Zinn]] ==
A stenographic tool of sorts employed by Rita Skeeter which spins the words of her subjects into a form more fitting to its owner.
After attending a lecture given by Howard Zinn, recently, at UMass, Boston, I added material to the Iraq section to further explain his views. A few days ago, I noticed while Googling "Howard Zinn" that the Wikipedia entry defaulted far down into a section called "Criticism" to introduce a very negative remark about the author of "A People's History of the United States" into the Google slug line. Yahoo searches default to eh beginning of the Wikipedia article, offering biographical info and thus is neutral, not negative. It was as if this section of Wikipedia had been rigged, and Google hacked, to create a negative first impression of Zinn to users of Google and Wikipedia.
 
Rita Skeeter uses the quill to interview Harry (inside a Hogwarts broomstick cupboard) about his participation in the Triwizard Tournament in the movie, "Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire" for her column "Me, Myself, and I" in the newspaper, "The Daily Prophet". Harry continually tries to correct the inaccuracy of the quill to Rita.
Coming back to the bio, I noticed that there was talk about whether the Criticism was even valid. I decided to add background explaining Zinn and his critics, in the context of the schools of thought that each represented.
 
This quill would also seem to be acid green and needs to be licked on the tip before it can be used.
Coming back a couple days later, I noticed that someone named [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] had appointed him/herself judge, jury, and executioner to destroy all of the work that I had made trying to elucidate Zinn, his relation to other historians (such as the Schlesinger school of consensual history) so someone, a layman, could understand the context in which Zinn labors, and the mainstream (right and left) that he rows his boat against.
 
===Quidditch equipment===
This [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] destroyed any contextualization, such as putting the conservative critic who had been mentioned in the context of his relatinship with certain reactionary elements that have flourished recently.
There are several enchanted objects needed to play [[Quidditch]], the most obvious being flying broomsticks. All the balls in the game are enchanted in some way. The [[Golden Snitch]] is enchanted to fly around, mimicking the flight patterns of the Golden [[Minor Harry Potter beasts#Snidget|Snidget]], and also to not leave the playing field. The [[Rules of Quidditch#The Balls|Bludger]] is enchanted to fly around and try to knock players off their broomsticks. A Bludger does not focus on one player unless it has been tampered with, as was the case in ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]]''. The [[Quaffle]] may appear an exception, but it is also enchanted to make it easy to grip, and to fall more slowly than normal.
 
===Remembrall===
I admit, and expected, someone to read it and recast it in a more neutral light than I, having recently read much of Zinn and being familiar with the man, likely had written it. (That is, I was likely more sympathetic to Zinn and negative towards his critics as I was writing about the man.) In other pieces I've come in on, this is usually the case, and frequently one gets a better, more balanced article out of it.
A '''Remembrall''' is a small, clear orb that turns red if its user has forgotten something (it most likely got its name by combining "remember all"). Unfortunately, it does not tell the user what he/she has forgotten. The very forgetful [[Neville Longbottom]] is given a '''Remembrall''' in ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'', but gives it to Harry after he retrieves it from Malfoy. This is because Neville had no use for it, as he was unable to remember what he forgot. Their use is forbidden during OWL exams.
 
The [[DVD]] of ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'' contains a software approximation of a remembrall.
Here is what [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] wrote jusitfying his wholesale destruction of my work:
 
===Revealer===
"The focus of the criticism section is on the individuals other than Zinn. It is not necessary and indeed bogs down this article by including vast amounts of unrelated material to this biographical sketch of Zinn. I intend to delete unrelated material. Feel free to take this material to the pages of the individuals where it is relevant." [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] 02:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Used in ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets|Chamber of Secrets]]'' when [[Hermione Granger]] tries to make something appear in [[Tom Riddle's diary]], this object is a bright red eraser which makes invisible ink appear.
 
===Secrecy Sensor===
My comment: No, the focus of the CRITICISM section is CRITICISM of Zinn, and how it relates to him and the critics, and the field of American history, that is, how it is studied and related to the American people.
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire|Goblet of Fire]]'', this magical object was mentioned when Harry went into [["Mad-Eye" Moody|Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody]]'s office. It is described as "An object that looked something like an extra-squiggly, golden television aerial." It vibrates when it detects concealment and lies. Moody mentions that its, "No use here of course, too much interference-students in every direction lying about why they haven't done their homework." However, it may be that this was due to the sinister intentions of Moody.
Eric (the Atrium desk wizard) also uses a Secrecy Sensor on visitors to the Ministry of Magic.
Secrecy Sensors, like all other Dark Detectors, can be fooled, as mentioned by Harry in the fifth book at the beginning of the first D.A. meeting.
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]'', due to Hogwart's new stringent security measures, Argus Filch is assigned to run every student entering the entrance hall of the castle with Secrecy Sensors and all the owls flying into Hogwarts, too, to detect any Dark object within the castle. Later, Hermione explains that though Secrecy Sensors detect jinxes, curses, and concealment charms, they cannot detect love potions.
 
===Self-Shuffling playing cards===
This [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] made a comment about B.U. President Silber that showwed his ignorance of the issues.
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets|Chamber of Secrets]]'', a pack of these cards is mentioned as one of the objects littering the floor of [[Ron Weasley|Ron]]'s room. They are probably used to play [[Exploding Snap]].
 
===Sneakoscope===
Another comment of [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]]: "Some folks went far afield writing various essays within this article on subjects unrelated to the topic at hand. Although lengthy, that material also lacked references. It's now been cleaned up. [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] 15:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
A '''Sneakoscope''' is a magical device which serves as a [[Dark Arts (Harry Potter)|Dark Arts]] detector, and is described as a miniature glass spinning top that emits shrill noises in the presence of deception: for instance, when an untrustworthy person is near or when a deceitful event takes place nearby.
 
Sneakoscopes are first introduced in the third book, ''[[Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', when [[Ronald Weasley|Ron Weasley]] gives [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry Potter]] one of the devices as a present for his 13th birthday. [[Bill Weasley]] claimed that the sneakoscope was faulty, because it howled continuously for no apparent reason once while the Weasley family were eating dinner together in Egypt, but Bill didn't realise that Fred and George had put beetles in his soup. The sneakoscope appears again on the [[Hogwarts Express]], and again up in Harry and Ron's dormitory. Harry later discovers that Scabbers, Ron's rat, who was present each time the Sneakoscope was spinning, is actually a traitorous [[animagus]] named [[Peter Pettigrew]].
My comment: This was all referenced, and if there were a LACK OF REFERENCES, that could have been highlighted, and thos references put in. One thing I do when writing is, since there is no spell-checker that I know of on Wikipedia, I cut and paste my work to another program, spell-check, and bring it back. Sometimes formatting related to references, and thus the references, are deleted if I'm not careful.
 
In book four, ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]'', the somewhat paranoid [["Mad-Eye" Moody|Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody]] has several sneakoscopes that he somehow disabled (possibly related to a crack it was described as having), "It wouldn't stop whistling." However, it may have been because Mad-Eye was really [[Barty Crouch Jr]].
MY ARGUMENT:
 
In book seven, Hermione gives Harry a Sneakoscope for his 17th birthday which they later use to help as a lookout.
While I might be considered pro-Zinn, this [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]], I believe, is definitely anti-Zinn (as opposed to someone seeking neutrality or a neutral tone).
He just destroyed a great deal of work, and research, trying to contextualize Zinn, and why he would be meaningful, and why he would be relevant in 2007 (as opposed to 1968, or 1972, or 1962, all times when Zinn had influence), and why his critics denigrate him.
 
===The Sorting Hat===
I would consider Wikipedia a resource that would seek to explain and contextualize the people that are written about, within the limits of an obtainable objectivity. The histories/biographies of the Zinn critics, and contextualizing them and their place within American history since World War II (as the two examples, NOT CHOSEN BY ME, are evocative of the liberal strain of history as exemplified by the late Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., someone Zinn mentioned in his recent Boston lecture, and Joseph McCarthy. They and contextualizing them in history are entirely relevant to any discussion of Zinn AS HE SEEKS TO ELUCIDATE AMERICAN HISTORY so people know its impact on the HERE AND NOW and how certain strains, such as the anti-intellectual stain of the Accuracy in Academia/Accuracy in Media crowd (who called Walter Cronkite a fellow traveler) persist. THIS IS THE GIST OF HOWARD ZINN'S WORK, and why the critics have to be contextualized. As this is at the root of his philosophy of history, Santayana's dictum "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
The '''Sorting Hat''' is a [[sentient]] [[artifact (fantasy)|artifact]] used at [[Hogwarts]], which magically determines to which of the four school houses &mdash; [[Hogwarts Houses#Gryffindor|Gryffindor]], [[Hogwarts Houses#Hufflepuff|Hufflepuff]], [[Hogwarts Houses#Ravenclaw|Ravenclaw]] or [[Hogwarts Houses#Slytherin|Slytherin]] &mdash; each new student is to be assigned. During the opening banquet at the beginning of the school year, the First-Year students are lined up and their names read aloud alphabetically; each then takes a seat on a stool and the hat is placed on their head. After a moment of consideration, the hat announces its choice aloud for all to hear, and the student joins the selected house. The moment of consideration varies in length, from nearly a minute to less than a second. Judging from Harry's own account of his Sorting, and a brief comment made by Hermione, the hat speaks to the student while they're being Sorted.
 
The Sorting Hat originally belonged to [[The Hogwarts Founders#Godric Gryffindor|Godric Gryffindor]], one of the founders of [[Hogwarts]].
I believe [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] should not be allowed near the [[Howard Zinn]] article as he is an editor who cannot see the forest, but for the trees. I also believed he is prejudiced against Zinn, and destroyed the work, the Iraq and the Criticism sections, out of malice.
 
The Sorting Hat's songs vary in length and content. Before sorting the students each year, the hat recites a new introductory song. These songs occasionally warn of danger to come, as in ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]''.
I ask: Why did he keep the criticism section in, which is utterly barebones and meaningless as he judged these two men not to be representative of two strains/schools of thought antithetical to Zinn, but as something to serve as minor sluglines that fill space. And thus, once again, we can GOOGLE to the negative comment about Zinn.
 
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]]'', the hat plays a critical role in the climax of the story by coming to Harry's aid in the Chamber and providing him with Godric Gryffindor's sword. The sword and hat together make up the two known relics of that Founder.
Let me reiterate, I belive [[User:Skywriter|Skywriter]] is prejudiced, and on the thesis that "If it looks like a duck" is involved in the hack of Google to denigrate Howard Zinn. He/she shold be pulled off the article and forbidden to touch it.
A new editor, a more experienced editor, should be assigned, and after reinstating the text of Iraq and the Criticism sections, edit them for the purpose of neturality, and to perhaps compress them to eliminate redundancy or superfulous detail. But Zinn and his critics, and his stance on the war on Iraq (as one of the most prominent anti-war critics and arguably the most popular "populist historian" in US history (as his liberal critics said, need to be part of any article on the man that is aimed at educating the public, so they understand him. [[User:Robert Dalziel|Robert Dalziel]]
:I'm not an admin and won't comment on the other aspects here, but the text that Google displays in its results is entirely dependent on which search string you use. There is no "hack" involved. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 07:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The Sorting Hat had a difficult time placing [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry]], almost placing him into [[Slytherin]] house before he requested specifically and emphatically not to be. The Hat instead placed him into [[Gryffindor]], after both his parents.
== [[Jenna Elfman]] {{blpwatch-links|Jenna Elfman}} ==
{{article|Jenna Elfman}} - Some new users,not familiar with policy, insist on adding poorly sourced materials. (See talk page for clear evidence that the best sources are rather dubious). I've reverted twice already (with comments on the talk page), so some help would seem necessary as it seems some people would not bother to read or understand the BLP policy. I'm not sure how the talk page material should be edited, as BLP also suggests some removal of talk page material would be appropriate here. [[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho]][[User talk:Chan-Ho Suh| (Talk)]] 06:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:Legitimate discussion about whether to include something can stay provided the offending material attributed to another entity. Discussing whether Bob said Jane is a slut and whether the National Inquirer is a reliable source when they print an article that says Bob called Jane a slut is not the same as wiki user calling Jane a slut. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 09:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I just posted something on the talk page. Unfortunately you may just have to keep an extra eye on the page until he gives you a better source or gets bored. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 10:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]'' the Sorting Hat is lit on fire by Lord Voldemort, although it is unclear if the hat was destroyed, as references to the sorting were used during the epilogue 19 years later.
::BLP says, "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, '''talk pages''', user pages, and project space." In this case, the discussion has not, luckily, gone to the point of great detail of these allegations, but there are some mentions and links given. So perhaps editing of the talk page is not necessary. But note that even ''discussion'' of poorly sourced material, "legitimate" or otherwise, has often been removed or heavily edited at the behest of official Wikipedia personages. The difference would seem to be that it's ok to discuss whether a said source is reliable, without going into detail about what the accusation is. --[[User:Chan-Ho Suh|Chan-Ho]][[User talk:Chan-Ho Suh| (Talk)]] 10:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the first two Harry Potter movies, he is voiced by actor [[Leslie Phillips]].
::Removing poorly sourced claims from the talk page is fully legitimate and the arbiration committee agrees with that [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Derek Smart]] (while not involved in this controversy, I made a length comment in the talk) and also [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba]]. I myself have removed poorly sourced and unsourced comments and claims from talk pages. In this case, from a brief read through, I would agree there's no reason it shouldn't be removed, altho I don't think it's that urgent either. The purpose of the talk page of course is to discuss additions and sometimes it can be helpful to include something which you've heard but don't have a good reference for. So it does come down to a bit of a balancing act. But it when it comes to a living person, especially a private figure (although it's not clear whether this applies to Jenna) we should usually err on the side of caution in removing poorly sourced claims even from the talk page, especially if there has been no success in finding a source (of course this may mean the same thing will be repeated in a year's time but this can't be helped) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 17:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Spellotape===
:I have added (2) separate citations to this article from [[About.com]], which is published by a little company called [[The New York Times Company]]. Also added a citation from [[MSNBC]]. [[User:Smee|Smee]] 07:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC).
'''Spellotape''' is [[magic (Harry Potter)|magical]] [[adhesive tape]]; it is a [[Parody|spoof]] of the real life product [[sellotape]].
:We have to be careful. Although the New York Times newspaper has a certain reputation this does not mean that any property owned by the New York Times Company should be treated the same. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 10:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Spellotape is referenced in all of the Harry Potter books, apart from ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'', and is seen in the movie [[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (movie)|''Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets'']].
See [[Talk:Jenna Elfman#Gossip added to Biography of a living person]]. [[User:Athaenara|<span style="font-family: Edwardian Script ITC; font-size: 14pt"> — Athænara </font></span>]] [[User talk:Athaenara| <small>✉</small> ]] 09:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Tom Kevin PotvinRiddle's diary===
{{main|Tom Riddle's diary}}
Libelous material is posted and reposted to the entry about me, despite my repeated attempts to remove it. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/24.81.131.134|24.81.131.134]] ([[User talk:24.81.131.134|talk]]) 02:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
 
===Blood Quill===
: This is in reference to the article [[Kevin Potvin]]. I've attempted to fix any possible libelous material and asked Mr. Potvin to please stop editing the article and address any problems to the discussion page. [[User:sinblox|sinblox]] <sup>[[User_talk:sinblox|(talk)]]</sup> 05:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
In ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'', Harry has detention with [[Dolores Umbridge|Professor Umbridge]] on several occasions. During these detentions, he is required to write lines (''I must not tell lies''), and is not released from this until Umbridge believes "the message has sunk in." Rather than use a regular quill, Umbridge makes Harry use a blood quill, which is unusually sharp with a black nib. As the user writes, the quill magically (and painfully) cuts into the back of the user's hand and uses their blood for ink. When carried out repeatedly over a period of time, this can lead to permanent scarring, as shown by Harry to [[Rufus Scrimgeour]] in ''[[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]''. Other victims of this form of detention include [[Lee Jordan]].
 
===Wand===
I have tried to remove libelous material about me at this site over and over because it keeps getting reposted. For example, the sentence "it was revealed he wrote a column in 2002 in which he described his pleasure in watching the September 11, 2001 attacks" is inaccurate.
To perform feats of magic a ''[[wand]]'' is usually used. Without a wand magic is possible, but this seems to be very difficult and uncontrolled. A wand is personal for a wizard, although other wizards' wands can be used, generally to a less potent effect than by using one's own wand. When Harry Potter was selecting his wand, he had to try out many wands until he found a wand that created sparks as he waved it. A wand is usually made of wood and has a core of an organic, magical object or substance. Such cores mentioned include [[Phoenix (mythology)|phoenix]] tail feathers, [[unicorn]] tail hairs, [[dragon]] heartstrings and [[veela]] hair. Wands with cores from the same source give strange effects ([[Canonical spells in the world of Harry Potter#Prior Incantato|Priori Incantatem]]) when forced to fight each other, as is the case with Harry Potter's and [[Lord Voldemort]]'s wands in ''[[Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire]]''. Each of their wands contains a tail feather from [[Fawkes]], the phoenix belonging to [[Albus Dumbledore]]. The only named wand shop is Ollivander's, owned by [[Ollivander]], where Hagrid takes Harry to buy his first wand. However, in the "Weighing of the Wands" chapter of "Goblet of Fire", Ollivander is seen to evaluate two foreign wands: [[Viktor Krum]]'s wand: a Gregorovitch creation and unusually thick; and [[Fleur Delacour]]'s wand, whose core (a hair from her veela grandmother) was a core he felt created "temperamental" wands, and thus did not use himself. Rather than carry a wand inside one's robes, they can be put into other objects, as Lucius Malfoy does by hiding his inside his cane in the films, and Moody seems to have his actually inside his walking staff in the Order of the Phoenix film. Harry also suspects that Hagrid has the broken halves of his wand inside his umbrella.
n example of what critics of Wikipedia warned could happen: Someone self-serving could use Wikipedia to inflate his resume or otherwise mislead readers for personal gain", is inaccurate, I was not inflating a resume, i was not misleading anyone.
 
===Weasley Clock===
Potvin said that he had "substantial letters" in both magazines and he considered that work because it was work for him to write them.--you can obviously see where this person is coming from. I explained why "letters" are articles in peer review academic journals, and that these two magazine's letters sections are like those.
The [[Weasley family]] has a clock in their home, [[The Burrow (Harry Potter)|the Burrow]], with nine hands, one for every member of the family. Instead of telling the time, the clock reveals the ___location or status of each family member. The known locations are:
 
*Home
I have removed the libel material more than 12 times or so. I would like the page removed, I am the one who put it up in the first place. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.81.131.134|24.81.131.134]] ([[User talk:24.81.131.134|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.81.131.134|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#32;{{{2}}}|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*School
*Work
*Travelling
*Lost
*Hospital
*Prison
*Mortal Peril
 
Only the ___location of "mortal peril" is known (it is situated where the numeral 12 would normally be). Throughout the first five books, the hands changed to reflect the varying statuses of the family members, but by [[Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince|Book Six]], all nine hands had taken to pointing to "mortal peril" at all times, except when someone was travelling. [[Molly Weasley|Mrs Weasley]] took this to mean that, with [[Lord Voldemort]] having returned, everyone was technically in mortal peril.
:I have updated the article based on your complaint above as well as the [[WP:RS|sources]] given in the article. I just saw you've also added a large critique on the article's talk page; I'll read it now and see how far we can accommodate you within the limitations of our principles, policies and guidelines. You can find full information on our rules using the links posted on your talk page. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 11:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
The Weasleys are the only family mentioned to own such a clock and Mrs Weasley notes that she does not know of anyone else with one.
:After reading your talk page contribution I did not find additional material in the article that could be adapted to your comments. I hope you can accept the current version of the article. If there are any specific items left in the article which you feel do not conform to our rules, especially [[WP:BLP]], or are factually incorrect in your opinion, please post them here so that other editors can check them out. The most important aspect I'm asking you to consider is that everything in the article is (or should be) supported by what Wikipedia calls reliable sources (see [[WP:RS]]). [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 12:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Wizard's Chess===
::An anon (probably Mr. Potvin) made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_Potvin&diff=124449869&oldid=124135218 this edit]. I think it's OK but would like someone else to double check. Anon, could you please confirm or deny you're Kevin Potvin? Thanks, [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 00:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
'''Wizard's chess''' is a version of [[chess]] played with small pieces and a board like real chess, except that the pieces are animated.[http://chess.about.com/b/a/187742.htm] The players simply tell the pieces to move with the proper commands, which the pieces obey. The pieces attack each other in cases where an opposing player's piece would be taken, usually by breaking the opposing piece in half. However, because sets can be inherited and loaned, the pieces are assumed to rebuild themselves after the game. Ron has a set left to him by his Uncle Bilius. Harry first plays with pieces borrowed from [[Seamus Finnigan]], and later gets a set in one of his wizard crackers during his first Christmas at Hogwarts. During the climactic chapters of ''[[Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone]]'' Harry, Ron and Hermione become chess pieces in a life-size game of wizard's chess, thus risking their lives.
 
Recently, the company Deagostini have released a magazine series called "Harry Potter Chess", which is based on the life-size game near the end of the film version of Philosopher's Stone. The chess pieces that come with it are based on the life-size pieces in the film. Arco Toys and others also have a Wizards Chess Set.[http://www.amazon.com/Arco-Toys-Ltd-Potter-Wizard/dp/B0000669DT][http://www.chesscentral.com/sets-pieces-chess/harry-potter-chess.htm]
==[[Pat Binns]] {{blpwatch-links|Pat Binns}}==
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* {{article|Pat Binns}} - This page has been recently targeted by political pundits for their own political agendas, especially by one activist by the name of Mr. Stephen Pate. Mr. Pate has edited and added sections of the article in an attempt to garner political support for his cause of disability rights in PEI. However commendable this is, having helped deal with disability issues personally in my family, Wikipedia is not a political talk page nor is it an rant page. I request that external intervention by other editors and administrators of Wikipedia, as the edit war over this article has attracted Canadian media attention by the CBC in a somewhat negative fashion, and is still ongoing as of April 17th 2007.[http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edward-island/story/2007/04/17/wikipedia-binns.html] // [[User:ThePointblank|ThePointblank]] 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:* CBC has run a 10-minute segment on their morning radio show, and they plan to have a TV segment this evening. Regional-only, but still. I'd prefer the article isn't semi'd, as I hope this segment brings new editors from the province to the site... there's way too few currently. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 15:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
::* The problem isn't publicity; it is great that Wikipedia gets the occasional piece of publicity from the media. What is the issue here is negative publicity. With the current edit war ongoing with this page, it has drawn perhaps unwanted media attention to Wikipedia, and the article by the CBC on the edit war is written in my opinion in a somewhat negative tone against Wikipedia. I am wondering who alerted the CBC to the edit war... Anyways, I am hoping that a solution can be found here. - [[User:ThePointblank|ThePointblank]] 15:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===Hand of Glory===
==[[Talk:Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming]] {{blpwatch-links|Talk:Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming}}==
The [[Hand of Glory]] is an unpleasant instrument used by [[Draco Malfoy]] in ''[[The Half-Blood Prince]]''. It was seen previously in ''Chamber of Secrets'', when Draco and his father, [[Lucius Malfoy]], visited the [[Dark Arts (Harry Potter)|Dark Arts]] store [[Borgin and Burkes]] down [[Knockturn Alley]]. (At that point, Lucius denied Draco's request to have it, saying that it was a tool for a common thief.) It is a large shrivelled hand displayed on a cushion in the shop. When it is given a candle, it gives light only to the one holding the hand.
* {{article|Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming}} - This is a bit of an unusual issue but my concern here is that one editor does not agree a BLP template is merited. The article in question is basically a list where we list scientists who supposedly oppose the mainstream..... In fact we not only list them but categorise them according to their supposed claims/beliefs. We base this on sourced quotes which we include. As you might expect, we get the occasional poorly sourced addition and also a fair number of times when what someone is saying is disputed (i.e. whether or whether not they actually oppose the mainstream assessement). Check out the talk page and archive for that.
In the Half Blood Prince, was used by Draco when leaving the Room of Requirements, and was able to escape Ron and a few other members of the DA, after using the Instant Darkness Powder.
* While some contributors ask on the talk page first, some just go ahead and add names. There are a number of editors watching who usually quickly revert controversial additions so the actual additions don't usually last long. But given the fact that this is obviously a list which many scientists will not want to be on, I feel it is important to remind editors of BLP in the talk page with the template. The template will hopefully remind or inform editors they should discuss additions first. And the template should also remind editors taking part in discussions that unless we can be highly sure we're right, we should not add people to the list. However one editor in particular doesn't agree with my addition of the BLP template.
* So basically, I'm wonder if others agree the BLP template is warranted? And if so, is anyone willing to try to explain this to Childhood's End? [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 17:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
In the movie ''[[Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]]'', the Hand appears in [[Borgin and Burkes]]. When Harry examines it, it attempts to break his wrist.
::I agree with you. However that will not count for much around here. :-) [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 20:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I would only like to add a few comments here. First, I do not entirely disagree with the motives explained by Nil Einne herein. The point that I have tried to explain to him/her is that as of now, BLP applies to the article whether or not there's a tag on the talk page, and nothing in the article as of now is under dispute as to whether it is a misinterpretation of the author's views. There being no emergency or BLP issue, and BLP applying anyway to the article, I do not understand this sudden need for a tag, especially since it could be used to push a POV (see [[Talk:Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming#BLP|the whole discussion]] for further details if needed). Regards. --[[User:Childhoodsend|Childhood&#39;s End]] 18:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::I checked out the discussion. After all that was said it seems that a BLP tag is a good idea. How could it do any harm to remind people of an important WP policy? [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 23:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::Agreed. I'm puzzled how someone can argue ''against'' a reminder of policy on an article where such policy is especially relevant. No one is born with a knowledge of WP policy, so pointing it out for the benefit of new editors (or even experienced ones) is helpful. [[User:Raymond arritt|Raymond Arritt]] 10:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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* {{article|Tiffany Adler}} - A couple of editors seem to have jumped on this one as a showcase for LGBT issues. However, currently the woman in question has not be found guilty. The repeated addition of numerous categories and "See alsos" violates [[WP:BLP]]. [[User:Stephen|<b>Steve</b> <sub> (Stephen) </sub>]][[User talk:Stephen|<sup> talk </sup>]] 23:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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==[[Cho Seung-hui]] {{blpwatch-links|Cho Seung-hui}}==
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{{article|Cho Seung-hui}} - This is a bit of a mess at the moment with frequent attempts to include irrelevant details about his parents and sister. I don't see any reason why the names of any of these people or their addresses or even their place of work is relevant. Perhaps mention of their job and what city they live in but anything else seems gratiotious. Some contributors are defending these on the premise that the media have already revealed these but BLP requires additional considerations IMHO. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 09:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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:I don't understand the rush to have an article on him. The same with the next person down the list. [[User:Steve Dufour|Steve Dufour]] 03:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
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::I have not looked at the details of the article, but I agree with Nil Einne on this - details about his family are really beside the point. A sketch of their background is ok, but otherwise I think it can well be a BLP problem. As for why there's an article about him, it's obvious, Steve - people want to find out basic facts about someone who leaps into the news, and Wikipedia is about the only place you can do that in this breaking-news way. But again, his family have privacy rights - they didn't choose to put themselves in the public eye, and I think we need to be careful. <strong>[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] </strong>|<small>[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]]</small> 05:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::It appears information has been removed where there is no more BLP violation. The only thing given is the sister's name and the fact she works for the U.S. Department of State which is slightly relevant to the part about her "response". '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<font color="green">Cbrown1023</font>]]''' <small>'''<font color="#002bb8">[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]</font>'''</small> 19:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
Since Cho Seung-hui is dead, is BLP relevant to an article about him? [[User:129.97.79.144|129.97.79.144]] 21:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:The concern here is what is said about his living family memebers. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 10:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==[[Michael Sneed]] {{blpwatch-links|Michael Sneed}}==
→ ''See also: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sneed]]''
* {{article|Michael Sneed}} Newly created article on a columnist whose initial reportage of the Virginia Tech shootings erroneously identified the suspect as a Chinese national, thereby generating some furore. It seems to be attracting edits from multiple sources inserting direct and even potentially defamatory criticism, which is unsourced and presumably merely the opinions of the contributors themselves- check history & talk pg. It's been cleaned up a couple of times, but given the high profile concerning anything associated with the incident it needs a few more pairs of eyes on it, as these unsourced additions are continuing. Quoting some criticism from notable and verifiable sources is one thing, but making the wikipedia article itself the vehicle of accusation is quite another.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 09:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:I agree some extra eyes on the article are needed to keep possible repetitions of such [[WP:BLP]] violations out of the article. It's on my watchlist now. I've also removed some redundant material and added the db tag. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 14:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::I've removed a number of [[WP:BLP]] violations, some of which I had removed before but had been reverted by the editor who filed this report, which made it difficult for me to help out there. (I don't want to defend an article against WP:BLP violations when I'm not allowed to weed out existing violations first).
::Depending on any responses in reliable sources this incident, and with it, Michael Sneed, may be on its way to becoming notable. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 18:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:::Can someone else take over? I've kept an eye on the article but I'm going off-line (i.e. I'm falling asleep). The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Sneed&oldid=123947522 current version] is reasonable in WP:BLP terms, with mostly well-intended edits, but every now and then unsourced accusations are being inserted. Thanks, [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 00:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
::::Hi AvB, I am now back online and will continue to monitor developments as best I can, though I would prefer that others also take a hand in watching it. It will probably continue to be a hotspot over the next couple of days.
 
::::I have appreciated your (AvB's) assistance in maintaining the article's integrity. Please note, my partial restoration of text you had removed and which you allude to above was intended to restore two sourced (if not directly cited) quotations from other reports; reports which were at the time the article's sole evidence that Ms. Sneed had actually written what the article claimed she had. It was not intended to discourage or contravene your other removals of unsourced and defamatory material.
 
::::Since semiprotection was applied to the article, remaining contributors have mostly been adhering to wikipedia policies in respect of BLP, NPOV and sourcing; however the protection I applied was only for 48 hours and it will likely require continual monitoring for some time yet.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 00:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:::::Yes, while working on the article I soon saw where you were coming from there. Such news-type articles remain a balancing act at best, and the fine line that separates guiding editors and irritating them into an edit war is often hard to see. The sprotect was certainly warranted. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 10:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
I've been bold and stopped this from pretending to be a biography at all. [[Michael Sneed]] is currently a redirect to [[Chicago Sun-Times]], pending a ''proper'', ''actual'' biography being written, and the original article is now at [[Inaccurate media reports of the Virginia Tech massacre]]. Note, in light of the [[WP:BLP]] policy, that we have ''zero sources'' that call this a "Michael Sneed Incident". [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 17:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:Thanks Uncle G, a good call all around, I think. No-one has shown the slightest inclination to add any biog material to her entry (it actually appears to be hard to come by in any case, so there doesn't seem to be much value in an article on her). I'm still of the view that the renamed 'media reports' article has no good reason to exist separately from what is already covered in the main VT shootings article, but we'll see how the astroturfed AfD progresses.
 
:In terms of a BLP alert this one is probably closed, although related articles are worth watching out for further defamatory statements- eg it is now proliferating thru into the paper's article.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 06:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Dobie center ==
Although it isn't a biography, I believe this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dobie_Center&diff=prev&oldid=123632266 attribution of blame] is a violation of wikipedia's policies regarding biographies of living persons. When I mentioned this to the editor on their talk page, they blanked their talk page and yet again undid my changes. [[User:TerraFrost|TerraFrost]] 12:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:I think you're right; after your warning and reversions this indeed amounts to vandalism with a [[WP:BLP]] twist. I've restored the anon's talk page and added a final warning. If the anon returns, I recommend a quick block for vandalism. [[User:Avb|AvB]]&nbsp;&divide;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Avb|<small>talk</small>]] 14:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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Some intervention is needed by admins to deal with the edit warring on the [[Lewis Libby]] page. (I am an interested party, btw). [[User:Notmyrealname|Notmyrealname]] 18:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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== [[Robert Sungenis]] {{blpwatch-links|Robert Sungenis}} ==
* {{article|Robert Sungenis}}
This may still be below the threshold of immediate action necessary, but perhaps some experience editors can watchlist this page. [[WP:SPA|single purpose account]] [[User:Liam Patrick]] is busily expanding the "Jewish Controversy" section and I'm not clear whether the stuff should be copy-edited, shortened or deleted. --[[User:Pjacobi|Pjacobi]] 19:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==[[Jodie Foster]] {{blpwatch-links|Jodie Foster}}==
* {{article|Jodie Foster}} - The question of Ms Foster's sexual orientation is a subject of great interest and, in the absence of reliable sourcing for any statement, has been kept from the article. No problem so far, the subject gets raised every now and again, most offered sources are pretty lame and any added information gets edited out. A US magazine recently "outed" Ms Foster but not in an clear unambiguous way that would meet the RS requirements. It has engendered a lot of discussion and I feel that a further eyes are required to offer guidence on the point. In particular the following citation would undoubtedly be acceptable for a non-BLP issue. [http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=0ebc536b-c07d-4ff6-9e74-0155f39cd963&k=30445 Canada.com article] This article has a named byline, the website is part of a reputable mass market publishing corportation and the site reeks of proper journalism. The statement that Foster is in a relationship with Cydney Bernard is unambiguous and I believe that it may meet the threshold for inclusion. Given the long standing consensus for excluding this information, I'd be obliged if some of the regulars here who are more knowledgeable on BLP than me could pass their eye over the discussion on the [[Talk:Jodie_Foster#Jodie_Foster_is_a_lesbian.3F|talk page]] and offer some opinion on this question. Thank you // [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 19:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Prokofy Neva ==
 
An entry about my Second Life avatar, Prokofy Neva, contains a number of factual errors and also libelous statements.
 
It links the avatar in the private world of Second Life with my real-life identity against my will. It actually contains the wrong name, a common error. While this is the Internet, and links like this get made all the time, I would question Wikipedia's policy regarding the publication of profiles of avatars from virtual worlds or games, and the linking of such avatars to their real-life persons.
 
The article was likely filed by Joshua Nightshade/Joshua Meadows and other members of Second Citizen with various sectarian axes to grind.
 
The article falsely claims that I incited or called for violence against another resident of Second Life.
 
I have not incited or called for any violence against any other person, real or virtual.
 
What's left out of this entry is the fact that Joshua Nightshade and others have been stalking me in RL and SL, by taking my real-life picture and inserting it into the virtual world of Second Life in various obscene poses (contrary to the TOS); reporting regularly on purported "sitings" of me in real life; distribution of a picture of my real-life door, and so on, and stalking of me at a public event in which I participated. In response to this concerted harassment, I once wrote on my blog a perfectly acceptable and colloquial statement, which was not removed by typepad.com or Six Apart management, namely that I'd "cheerfully strangle" anyone who came near me in real life. This followed an attempt by several Second Life griefers/harassers to call me at home repeatedly.
 
I would request that the entire entry be removed. Another entry about Second Life on Wikipedia mentions me as one of the prominent people in Second Life, and mentions that my avatar, Prokofy Neva, is controversial and banned from the forums. There is no need for a separate entry, or if one is prepared, it should remove the errors occuring in every line, and remove libelous and tendentious material.
 
Prokofy Neva
:I cannot find Prokofy Neva. It was probably deleted for being non-notable. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 04:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::I should have closed this - I deleted it. :) [[User:FCYTravis|FCYTravis]] 04:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==[[Wayne Crookes]] {{blpwatch-links|Wayne Crookes}}==
 
* {{article|Wayne Crookes}} - Canadian media are reporting today that Crookes is suing the Foundation for libel.[http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=4de2abef-ae47-4463-9ee5-9f3825d7b961&k=12302][http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=63337&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm] // [[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:More media coverage:
:[[The Globe and Mail]]: [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070420.BCWIKIPEDIAS20/TPStory/National "Libel lawsuits takes aim at Internet postings"]
:[[The Vancouver Sun]]: [http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=3a8fb6c1-9186-4064-9d58-3d2b8ede376d "Former Green campaign manager says he was libelled, sues Google"]
:[[IEntry Inc|WebProNews]]: [http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/04/20/canadian-sues-the-messenger "Canadian Sues The Messenger"]
:[[CKNW (AM)|CKNW]]: [http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=63337&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm "Local man sues Wikipedia"]
:--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
::I suggest someone take a look at [[Talk:Wayne Crookes]]. I don't have the time, but some of the stuff may be problematic. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Fiona Forbes ==
 
{{article|Fiona Forbes}} has had the same "trivia" items inserted into the article several times with a month or so between edits. The most recent attack seems to be over, but this needs to be watched a little more. If you can help, please do. Thank you. [[User:Mecu|<font color="CEBE70">'''MECU'''</font>]]≈<small>[[User talk:Mecu|talk]]</small> 20:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Don Rossignol ==
 
This page should either be removed completely or altered drastically. Rossignol was recently convicted for 4 felonies in Latah County in the state of Idaho -- as well as for perjury regarding some of the content currently posted on Wikipedia. (For example, he was not an MP for 10 years.) This page is self-aggrandizing and is not remotely accurate. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Qclara|Qclara]] ([[User talk:Qclara|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qclara|contribs]]) 05:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:You will need to cite a source for this extraordinary claim. [[User:FCYTravis|FCYTravis]] 06:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Martha Beck==
This article is thoroughly cited, but it has issues with the quality/sources of the citations, and serious issues with balance. I don't know much about the subject, and since I think the primary need is for more content to be added to the article to balance out negative viewpoints, I don't feel qualified to fix the article myself. Thanks, [[User:Makemi|Mak]] <font color="green">[[User talk:Makemi|(talk)]]</font> 16:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== [[Jim Lampley]] ==
 
See #Recent developments. He seems to have been arrested on a number of charges - and pled guilty. But the article seems to imply (at least at times because there's an edit war here) that he was convicted. But he may only have been technically convicted of something much less than the charges. There seems to be some sort of POV pusher here. I'd received OTRS complaints, but now that someone has posted to my talk page I can put the info here and get more eyes in it:
 
''"Did you know that, in addition to his sportscasting duties, Lampley is an outspoken liberal commentator? That the judge was the daughter of a GOP kingpin, Gerry Parsky? Of course, domestic violence charges are a serious matter and need to be investigated thoroughly; however, the investigation show there was no evidence of the allegations in this case. Even Mr Lampley's former wife, Bree Walker publicy stated that he was not capable of the charges that Ms Sanders brought.
That the apartment the complaining party was living in was not hers, it was his....although all news accounts say it was hers.
That the DA dismissed the case and investigation due to lack of evidence.
That the only thing Lampley was guilty of was 'coming within 100 yards of his own apartment' by having a meeting with his property manager.
If you'd like to contact his attorney for the facts, his name is Thomas Warwick in San Diego. Perhaps he can provide the court papers and what the facts showed re: the no contest plea.
Mr Lampley could not factually dispute that he was technically within 100 yards of his own apartment the day he was meeting with his property manager. The investigators, on the property to interview the complaining party, noticed Mr Lampley leaving the mgr's office and arrested him at that time.
The complaining party also was driving Mr Lampley's BMW until the proceedings concluded. We live in a litigious society and anyone can charge another party with a variety of claims. Your treatment of highlighting the charges and not of the ultimate disposition is not totally fair, despite whatever take you get from the media. The print media in San Diego is definitely skewed right. The north county of San Diego is generally a very conservative climate, where the charges were brought and where the court was located. There is much more to this story than the sensational headlines."''
 
Can someone check the sources and make sure that the article a) reflects the facts b) doesn't give undue weight to dismissed allegations/investigation.--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 19:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==[[Norman Lamb]] {{blpwatch-links|Norman Lamb}}==
 
* {{article|Norman Lamb}} - I am having difficulty with {{ipvandal|82.118.116.193}} who is insisting on his additions to this biography of a current British [[Member of Parliament]]. While the main issue is over NPOV (he is a political opponent), part of his claims include questionable and unsourced claims about Norman Lamb. I would appreciate other voices persuading him to discuss and amend his edits. [[User:Sam Blacketer|Sam Blacketer]] 19:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Unreferenced BLPs ==
 
There are over 8300 articles on living people that have the {{tl|unreferenced}} tag. [[User:Messedrocker/Unreferenced BLPs|This]] is a list of them. (warning: pretty big page) <span style="font-size:95%">&mdash;[[User talk:Messedrocker|Signed]], your friendly neighborhood '''[[User:Messedrocker|MessedRocker]]'''.</span> 00:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
:Oh shit, that's worse than I thought.--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 00:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
::Just looking through a few of them, they have the unreferenced tag at the top but with no indication in the text what the problematic unreferenced material is. It would be good if people could be encouraged not to use the general unreferenced tag, but to add the fact/citation-needed tag to the contentious issues. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 00:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
::Actually, {{tl|fact}} should NEVER be used on contentious issues on BLPs. united contentious material should simply be removed.--[[User talk:Doc glasgow|Doc]]<sup>g</sup> 02:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::: Aye, and originally the list was going to include {{tl|fact}}-transcluders AND {{tl|unreferenced}}-transcluders but the latter is a bigger priority, so let's do ''that'' first. <span style="font-size:95%">&mdash;[[User talk:Messedrocker|Signed]], your friendly neighborhood '''[[User:Messedrocker|MessedRocker]]'''.</span> 11:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
For now, I have completed my search. The result: 17 lists of articles (16 of which contain around 1000 articles) on living people that contain {{tl|unreferenced}}, {{tl|unreferencedsect}}, {{tl|more sources}}, or {{tl|fact}}. Over 16,000 articles on living people that are not completely referenced. Let's get working. <span style="font-size:95%">&mdash;[[User talk:Messedrocker|Signed]], your friendly neighborhood '''[[User:Messedrocker|MessedRocker]]'''.</span> 16:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==[[Albert Boscov]] {{blpwatch-links|Albert Boscov}}==
 
* {{article|Albert Boscov}} - Some light edit-warring over allegations of immigration law violations. I removed the inadequately sourced allegation, updated bio tag to living and advised editors on the talk page. // [[User:Dppowell|Dppowell]] 02:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
== Jasper Johns Bio ==
 
Hi! Don't know how to edit here, but maybe someone can add to the Jasper Johns bio that he provided a voice as himself on The Simpsons. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.237.141.44|68.237.141.44]] ([[User talk:68.237.141.44|talk]]) 03:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:This page is for disputes. I have copied your comment to the Jasper Johns page. --[[User:Gbleem|Gbleem]] 10:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Gilad Atzmon==
Has been classified under the category antisemitism for being accused of antisemitism, a charge which he denies. The accusations are sourced but the inclusion in the category is dematory, and I've just had a 24 hour ban for a 3R vio for removing the category. The counter-argument offered is that the category includes groups and individuals notable for opposing antisemitism, however the reason for including Atzmon is that he's accused of antisemitism, a charge which he denies [http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/1001lies.html]. In my view it would be like putting an accused paedophile in a paedophilia category. It's contentious and defamatory and Atzmon's alive, so surely BLP is applicable? And (without wanting to sound whingey) is it OK that I get a 24 hour ban [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Felix-felix_reported_by_Isarig_.28Result:_24_hours.29](on my block log) for a good faith BLP revert?<span style="font: small-caps 14px times;"><b>[[User:Felix-felix|<font color="#FF0000">Felix</font><font color="#000000">Felix</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Felix-felix|<font color="#005500">talk</font>]]</sup></b></span> 17:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Crystal Gail Mangum==
I've tried to explain to Duke53 that just because [[Crystal Gail Mangum]]'s accusations are no longer being '''pursued''' by the authorities, does not necessarily mean that they are '''false'''. In fact it definitely does '''not''' mean that legally and factually. He does not understand this and has reverted a minimum number of changes that I have made simply removing the word "false" from the statements. I have no dog in this fight and only care that we don't have potentially libelous statements on Wikipedia. You may wish to examine Duke53's other contributions, which I have not done in detail but, based on the labels seemed disturbing. [[User:Student7|Student7]] 22:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:The NC Attorney General stated definitively that the "attack" Ms. Mangum claimed happened never occurred. That would make her accusations false. If you've actually been following this case, there is no longer any controversy over the fact that her accusations were false. That is what prompted the AG to take the extraordinary step of declaring that the people Mangum accused are factually and legally innocent. [[User:Unlearned hand|Unlearned hand]] 03:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 
===[[Duke University lacrosse team scandal]]===
While not a biography, they are defaming the same person in this article. RipCurl this time. Kind of a ''team'' effort you might say! :) [[User:Student7|Student7]] 01:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 
==Nathaniel Branden Libel==
On the [[Nathaniel Branden]] article put the word "unaccredited" in front of the schools name from which he acquired his PhD (about the second paragraph of the article).
 
I did some research and discovered that the school is approved by the state and that accreditation is fairly complex and that there are 11 other private colleges that the state approves for degrees and whose degrees are accepted for licensing. It is a matter or large state institutions and small private colleges. Using that word, without a detailed explanation that would be inappropriate to the article was a form of implied libel. It creates a false impression that Branden has a suspect degree and therefore might not even be properly licensed - which isn't true.
 
I deleted the entry and explained on the talk page. And edit war ensued. User Pia proposed a compromise that he would be happy with. Remove the text from the body of the article, but put it in the footnote. He and I and CrCulver agreed on that. Here is a link to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nathaniel_Branden&diff=112668630&oldid=112654678 compromise diff].
 
Then recently someone put the word "unaccredited" back into the article. The edit war started over again. An identified sock-puppet, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Buridan&diff=prev&oldid=124572285 FraiserB], became involved. The old compromise wasn't acceptable to the sock-puppet and User Pia. That is where it stands now.
 
Here is my case for treating this as libel:
 
- "Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can affect subjects' lives. Biographical material must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality and avoiding original research, particularly if it is contentious". taken from the "In a Nutshell" section of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wp:blp BLP]
 
Branden's livelihood as a psychologist, publishable author and public speaker depends upon his reputation. (He is the author of about 18 books and does public speaking)
 
Because a word or phrase about "unaccredited" could be construed as implying that his degree is from a diploma mill, that would be very contentious for someone whose professional license depends upon a valid degree.
 
So, as to the Nutshell, if it is implied libel, Branden could be hurt and it is a contentious issue.
 
But is it libel? The statement that the school is unaccredited is partially correct factually but unless it is given in a full context would always be misinterpreted. The school is accredited by the American Psychoanalytic Society and it is approved by the state and it is not a diploma mill and the state recognizes this particular school for the purpose of licensing. But this isn't known by a reader who sees the word "unaccredited". What is also not know is why the Western Regional Accreditation wasn't given. They require a larger library that a small college is likely to have and they require sports facilities that a small college might not have. But that kind of information is also not available to the reader.
 
In an encyclopedia article every fact is presented in an order and in a context that results in an impression on a reader. Editors choose the right words and phrasing - judging what is "on topic" and appropriate - Editors choose which facts, what emotions the reader is likely to have, what writing style, and to stay on topic. The use of a phrase or even a sentence about the nature of the school is not fitting for this reason as well. It is information that belongs on the schools article and perhaps in a footnote. But the only reason to put it in the text would be if it were an exception to the norm of having a PhD - a bad PhD. And that isn't the case. We don't say anything about all the scientists all around the world who hold degrees that aren't from an accredited school (unless that is a noteworthy fact - like it was a phony degree or from a diploma mill).
 
Here is the quote from Jimmy Wales on the BLP page: "We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."
 
The references are of high quality and they are properly cited sources - that is not the problem. But it is misleading in its presentation and therefore highly questionable.
 
- BLP policy calls for: "The article itself must be edited with a degree of sensitivity" This is not being shown by those who are edit warring to keep something in the article that can not help the reader in understanding Branden who is the subject of the article. But it could hurt him. The hurt would be unjust since his degree is valid.
 
- BLP also says, "Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone" It isn't responsible or conservative for the reasons given to the point above. The tone in so far as word style, is neutral. The impact on the reader is not neutral.
 
- The footnote can be a full sentence that describes the school as unaccredited but approved and the school name is a link the school article that describes the various approvals and accreditations the school has and the accreditation is doesn't have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Graduate_Institute
Footnote: # ^ According to the State of California Board of Psychology, the California Graduate Institute is an unaccredited institution approved by the California Bureau of Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education (BPPVE). See Unaccredited California Approved Schools: A History and Current Status Report. Government, State of California. Retrieved 1 March 2007.
 
- Libel can be implied. "In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel
The implication here is that there is something fishy about the degree. And that is a seriously harmful thing to say about someone making a living based upon their reputation.
 
That is my take on this issue. What I need is some kind of ruling and if it is favorable for Branden some kind of Admin action to put it put it in place since anything I do would just start another edit-war. Thanks. [[User:SteveWolfer|Steve]] 00:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)