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| Name = The Raconteurs
! bgcolor="6699FF" | '''''Texas v. Johnson'''''
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| Img_capt = Jack White in concert with The Raconteurs at the [[Austin City Limits Music Festival]], 2006
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'''Supreme Court of the United States'''
| Origin = {{flagicon|United States}} [[United States]]
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| Genre = [[Indie rock]]<br>[[Alternative rock]]<br>[[Blues Rock]]<br>[[Hard Rock]]
! bgcolor="6699FF" | Argued March 21, 1989 <br />
| Years_active = [[2005]]&ndash;present
Decided June 21, 1989
| Label = [[Third Man Records]]<br />{{flagicon|UK}} [[XL Recordings]]<br />{{flagicon|USA}} [[V2 Records]]
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| URL = [http://www.theraconteurs.com/ www.theraconteurs.com]
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| Current_members = [[Brendan Benson]]<br />[[Patrick Keeler]]<br />[[Jack Lawrence (bassist)|Jack Lawrence]]<br />[[Jack White (musician)|Jack White]]
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| valign="top"|<small>Full case name:
| valign="top"|<small>''Texas v. Gregory Lee Johnson''
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| valign="top"|<small>Citations:
| valign="top"|<small>491 U.S. 397; 109 S. Ct. 2533; 105 L. Ed. 2d 342; 1989 U.S. LEXIS 3115; 57 U.S.L.W. 4770
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| valign="top"|<small>Prior history:
| valign="top"|<small>Defendant convicted, Dallas County Criminal Court; affirmed, 706 S.W.2d 120 (Tex. App. 1986); reversed and remanded for dismissal, 755 S.W.2d 92 (Tex. Crim. App. 1988); certiorari granted, 488 U.S. 884 (1988)
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! bgcolor="6699FF" | '''Holding'''
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| A Texas statute that criminalized the desecration of the American flag violated the First Amendment. Texas Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed.
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! bgcolor="6699FF" | '''Court membership'''
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| '''Chief Justice''' [[William Rehnquist]]
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| '''Associate Justices''' [[William Brennan]], [[Byron White]], [[Thurgood Marshall]], [[Harry Blackmun]], [[John Paul Stevens]], [[Sandra Day O'Connor]], [[Antonin Scalia]], [[Anthony Kennedy]]
 
'''The Raconteurs''', also known as '''The Saboteurs''' in [[Australia]], are a [[Grammy Award|Grammy]]-nominated [[rock music|rock]] band, featuring four members previously known for other musical projects.
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! bgcolor="6699FF" | '''Case opinions'''
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| '''Majority by:''' Brennan
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| Joined by: Marshall, Blackmun, Scalia, Kennedy
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| '''Concurrence by:''' Kennedy
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| '''Dissent by:''' Rehnquist
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| Joined by: White, O'Connor
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| '''Dissent by:''' Stevens
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! bgcolor="6699FF" | '''Laws applied'''
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| U.S. Const. Amend. I, Amend. XIV; Tex. Penal Code § 42.09(a)(3)
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<em>'''Texas v. Johnson''',</em> {{ussc|491|397|1989}}, was a decision by the [[Supreme Court of the United States]] that invalidated prohibitions on [[flag desecration|desecrating]] the [[American flag]] in force in 48 of the 50 states. Justice [[William Brennan]] wrote for a five-justice majority in holding that the defendant's act of flag burning was protected speech under the [[First Amendment]] to the [[United States Constitution]].
 
According to the current definition, The Raconteurs qualify as a rock-and-roll [[Supergroup (bands)|supergroup]], featuring the songwriting of [[Jack White (musician)|Jack White]] of [[The White Stripes]] and [[Brendan Benson]], who are both from [[Detroit, Michigan]]. In the band's own words, however, they are not a [[supergroup]], asserting that the term implies something pre-planned, whereas they are actually "a new band made up of old friends."<ref name=MTV2>JH (2006). [http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtv2/music/article.jhtml?articleId=75132981 "Jack White and chums drop an album"] MTV2.co.uk (accessed May 18, 2006)</ref>
==Background==
During the [[1984 Republican National Convention]] in [[Dallas, Texas]], respondent [[Gregory Lee Johnson]], a member of the [[Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade]] (youth wing of the [[Revolutionary Communist Party, USA]]), participated in a political demonstration to protest the policies of the [[Ronald Reagan|Reagan]] administration and some Dallas-based [[corporation]]s. After a march through the city streets, Johnson burned an [[American flag]] while protesters chanted. No one was physically injured or threatened with injury, although several witnesses were seriously offended by the flag burning.
[[Image:gjohnson.jpg|left|thumb|225px|Gregory Johnson outside the [[1984]] [[Republican National Convention]]]]
Johnson was convicted of desecrating a venerated object in violation of a [[Texas]] statute and was sentenced in the Dallas County Criminal Court to one year in prison and a fine of $2,000. The intermediate Texas appellate court affirmed the conviction, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals (the final court of appeals for criminal cases in Texas) reversed the conviction. The court held that the [[First Amendment]] prevented the state from punishing Johnson for burning the flag in those circumstances. The court first found that Johnson's burning of the flag was expressive conduct protected by the First Amendment. The court concluded that Texas could not criminally sanction flag desecration in order to preserve the flag as a symbol of national unity. It also held that the statute did not meet the state's goal of preventing [[Breach of the Peace|breaches of the peace]], since it was not drawn narrowly enough to encompass only those flag burnings that would likely result in a serious disturbance, and since the flag burning in this case did not threaten such a reaction. Further, it stressed that another Texas statute prohibited breaches of the peace and could be used to prevent disturbances without punishing this flag desecration.
 
The Raconteurs are one of the few non-Irish bands to star in the popular web-cartoons of ''[[Eyebrowy.com]]''.[http://www.eyebrowy.com/animations/jackwhite1.htm]
Because the Court of Criminal Appeals reversed Johnson's conviction on the grounds that the flag burning statute was unconstitutional ''as applied to him,'' the state court did not address Johnson's argument that the statute was, on its face, unconstitutionally vague and overbroad. As a result, the Supreme court granted [[certiorari]].
 
==The DecisionMembers==
*[[Jack White (musician)|Jack White]] (of [[White Stripes]]) – [[vocals]], [[guitar]], [[keyboards]]
*[[Brendan Benson]] – [[vocals]], [[guitar]], [[keyboards]]
*[[Jack Lawrence (bassist)|Jack Lawrence]] (of [[The Greenhornes]] and [[Blanche (band)|Blanche]]) – [[bass guitar]]
*[[Patrick Keeler]] (of [[The Greenhornes]]) – [[drumkit|drums]], [[percussion]]
*[[Dean Fertita]] (of [[The Waxwings]] and currently [[Queens of the Stone Age]]) as a live touring member only – [[guitar]], [[keyboards]], [[percussion]]
 
==Biography==
The opinion of the court came down as a controversial 5-4 decision, with the majority opinion written by the elderly [[William J. Brennan, Jr.]] in his penultimate term on the Court. The question the Supreme Court had to answer was: "Is the desecration of an American flag, by burning or otherwise, a form of speech that is protected under the First Amendment?".
===Formation===
According to the official website, "The seed was sown in an attic in the middle of a hot summer when friends Jack White and Brendan Benson got together and wrote a song that truly inspired them. This song was "[[Steady, As She Goes]]" and the inspiration led to the creation of a full band with the addition of Lawrence and Keeler."
The band came together in Detroit during 2005 and recorded when time allowed for the remainder of the year.
 
==="Steady, As She Goes"===
In determining this, the court first considered the question of whether the First Amendment reached non-speech acts, since Johnson was convicted of flag desecration rather than verbal communication, and, if so, whether Johnson's burning of the flag constituted expressive conduct, which would permit him to invoke the First Amendment in challenging his conviction.
"[[Steady, As She Goes|Steady, As She Goes/Store Bought Bones]]" was released as a limited-edition 7-inch, 45 rpm vinyl record in Europe on [[January 30]], [[2006]],<ref name="NMEfirstsingle">[http://www.nme.com/news/white-stripes/22043 The Raconteurs confirm first single], ''[[NME]]'', [[2006-01-24]]</ref> and in North America on [[March 7]], [[2006]]. A CD version of "Steady, as She Goes" was released on [[April 24]], [[2006]], with the B-side "Bane Rendition."
 
The video for "Steady As She Goes," directed by [[Jim Jarmusch]], premiered on [[MTV2 Europe|MTV2]] on [[March 10]], [[2006]]. It was also available for streaming on the band's website. An alternate video, featuring the band racing each other in a soap box derby, with a rare appearance from [[Paul Reubens]] as the bad guy out to sabotage the race, premiered exclusively on [[Yahoo! Music]] [[June 19]], [[2006]].
The First Amendment literally forbids the abridgment only of "[[speech]]", but the court reiterated their long recognition that its protection does not end at the spoken or written word. This was an uncontroversial conclusion in light of cases such as ''[[Stromberg v. California]]'' (display of a red flag as speech) and ''[[Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District]]'' (wearing of a black armband as speech).
 
''[[Entertainment Weekly]]'' ran an article discussing how the song has the exact same bassline as [[Joe Jackson (musician)|Joe Jackson]]'s "[[Is She Really Going Out With Him?]]".<ref name="Copy">{{Cite web|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1204700_4_0_,00.html|title=Do You Copy?|accessdate=2006-09-24|year=2006}}</ref>
The court rejected "the view that an apparently limitless variety of conduct can be labeled 'speech' whenever the person engaging in the conduct intends thereby to express an idea", but acknowledged that conduct may be "sufficiently imbued with elements of [[communication]] to fall within the scope of the First and [[Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment]]s". In deciding whether particular conduct possesses sufficient communicative elements to bring the First Amendment into play, the court asked whether "an [[intent]] to convey a particularized message was present, and [whether] the likelihood was great that the message would be understood by those who viewed it."
 
The closing seconds of the track have been used to close "Saturday Live" on BBC Radio 4, generating a lot of interest as to what the song is.
The court found that, "Under the circumstances, Johnson's burning of the flag constituted expressive conduct, permitting him to invoke the First Amendment... Occurring as it did at the end of a demonstration coinciding with the Republican National Convention, the expressive, overtly political nature of the conduct was both intentional and overwhelmingly apparent." The court concluded that, while "the government generally has a freer hand in restricting expressive conduct than it has in restricting the written or spoken word," it may not "proscribe particular conduct because it has expressive elements."
 
===''Broken Boy Soldiers''===
Texas had conceded, however, that Johnson's conduct was expressive in nature. Thus, the key question considered by the Court was "whether Texas has asserted an interest in support of Johnson's conviction that is unrelated to the suppression of expression."
 
The Raconteurs' full-length debut, titled ''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]'', was released on [[May 15]], [[2006]] in the UK on Third Man Recordings/XL Recordings and May 16 in the US on Third Man Recordings/V2 Records. It entered the UK charts at #2 and the US charts at #7. The album was recorded at Brendan Benson's in-home studio located in Detroit.
At oral argument, the state defended its statute on two grounds: first, that states had a compelling interest in preserving a venerated [[national symbol]]; and second, that the state had a compelling interest in preventing breaches of the peace.
 
On [[November 3]], [[2006]], the Raconteurs performed 'Broken Boy Soldier' and 'Store Bought Bones' on [[Later with Jools Holland]]. According to reporters from ''[[Planet Sound]]'' who attended the show taping, during 'Store Bought Bones' Jack White's guitar broke down and they had to re-play the song. This eventually happened four times, with the band breaking up in laughter by the 4th take. The TV airing used edited pieces from all four performances and cut out any laughter.
As to the "breach of the peace" justification, however, the court found that "no disturbance of the peace actually occurred or threatened to occur because of Johnson's burning of the flag," and Texas conceded as much. The Court rejected Texas's claim that flag burning is punishable on the basis that it ''tends to incite'' breaches of the peace by citing the familiar test of ''[[Brandenburg v. Ohio]]'' that the state may only punish speech that would incite "imminent lawless action," finding that flag burning does not always pose an imminent threat of lawless action. The Court noted that Texas already punished "breaches of the peace" directly.
 
In December 2006, Broken Boy Soldiers was awarded the title Album of the Year by Britain's Mojo magazine.[http://www.albumofthemonth.com/mojo2006.html]
The most contentious issue before the Court, then, was whether states possessed an interest in preserving the flag as a unique symbol of national identity and principles. Texas argued that desecration of the flag impugned its value as such a unique national symbol, and that the state possessed the power to prevent this result.
 
Recently, The Raconteurs have been nominated for two [[Grammy Awards]]: One for [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Album|Best Rock Album]] (for ''Broken Boy Soldiers''), and another for [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal|Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal]] (for "Steady as She Goes").<ref> GRAMMY.COM - 49th Annual Grammy Awards Nominee List, http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/49th_Show/list.aspx</ref>
The court rejected this argument, finding that the state's interest depended on the specific meaning it had attached to the flag through the flag desecration statute. "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment", the decision of the court read, "it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." The Court consequently affirmed the ruling of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals (i.e., the Court upheld the reversal of Johnson's conviction).
 
===Future Plans===
Anthony Kennedy wrote a short concurrence. In the concurring opinion, Kennedy stated that he fully agreed with the decision and the reasoning behind the decision. However, he also voiced his sympathy for the four dissenting Justices.
 
The band is currently recording songs for their next album at Blackbird Studios in [[Nashville, Tennessee]]. They have twelve songs written, and plan on releasing the album in 2008.<ref> Billboard.com "Raconteurs In The Thick Of Recording New Album",http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003575716</ref>
== Dissents ==
 
The Raconteurs have also recorded a new song called "Footsteps" with [[The Hives]], probably slated to be on the new album. "5 on the 5," a song the band played live, is likely to be on the album.
Brennan's opinion for the court generated two dissents. [[William H. Rehnquist]], joined by two other justices, argued that the "uniqueness" of the flag "justifies a governmental prohibition against flag burning in the way respondent Johnson did here." Rehnquist wrote,
<blockquote>
The American flag, then, throughout more than 200 years of our history, has come to be the visible symbol embodying our Nation. It does not represent the views of any particular political party, and it does not represent any particular political philosophy. The flag is not simply another "idea" or "point of view" competing for recognition in the marketplace of ideas. Millions and millions of Americans regard it with an almost mystical reverence regardless of what sort of social, political, or philosophical beliefs they may have. I cannot agree that the First Amendment invalidates the Act of [[United States Congress|Congress]], and the laws of 48 of the 50 States, which make criminal the public burning of the flag.
</blockquote>
Rehnquist also argued that flag burning is "no essential part of any exposition of ideas" but rather "the equivalent of an inarticulate grunt or roar that, it seems fair to say, is most likely to be indulged in not to express any particular idea, but to antagonize others."
 
Along with those tracks, it's possible one of the many covers the band played live (or an entirely different one) will be on the album.
Justice [[John Paul Stevens]], often counted as a First Amendment liberal, also wrote a dissenting opinion. Stevens, a [[World War II]] veteran, was visibly offended at oral argument by the flippancy of Johnson's counsel, [[William Kunstler]], in arguing for Johnson's right to destroy the flag. Stevens argued that the flag "is more than a proud symbol of the courage, the determination, and the gifts of nature that transformed 13 fledgling Colonies into a world power. It is a symbol of freedom, of equal opportunity, of religious tolerance, and of good will for other peoples who share our aspirations...The value of the flag as a symbol cannot be measured." Stevens concluded, therefore, that "The case has nothing to do with 'disagreeable ideas.' It involves disagreeable conduct that, in my opinion, diminishes the value of an important national asset," and that Johnson was punished only for the means by which he expressed his opinion, not the opinion itself.
 
Other possibilities would be one of the leaked Brendan Benson demos. One reason for this was that both "Call It A Day" and "Together" were supposed to be on a solo album of his, as well as "Store Bought Bones" which was supposed to be a [[Get Behind Me Satan]] song. If a demo of his appeared on the new album, it would be likely to be "Feel Like Taking You Home Now" since critics have pointed out a Raconteurs influence.
==Subsequent history==
 
Also, the title "Monkeys Have It Easy" was placed on the White Stripes site in the press release for [[Icky Thump]] with "discarded" after it. It's unlikely, but the song could be a new Raconteurs song now.
The Court's decision, which invalidated the laws in force in 48 of the 50 states, set off a wave of protest that continues to this day, as many Americans are deeply outraged by desecration of the flag. Subsequent to ''Texas v. Johnson,'' proposals were introduced year after year in [[United States Congress|Congress]] to amend the Constitution to allow the federal government and states to prohibit flag burning. On several occasions this amendment came close to passage, obtaining the requisite two-thirds majority in the House, only to fail in the Senate.
 
The band recorded for a three week period before they prepared for individual releases with their other bands, though Jack said they might not finish by then.
Congress did, however, pass a statute, the 1989 [[Flag Protection Act]], making it a federal crime to desecrate the flag. In the case of ''[[United States v. Eichman]],'' {{ussc|496|310|1990}}, that law was struck down by the same five person majority of justices as in ''Johnson'' (in an opinion also written by Justice Brennan).
 
==Discography==
Since then, Congress has considered the [[Flag Burning Amendment]] several times. The amendment usually passes the House of Representatives, but has always been defeated in the Senate.
=== Albums ===
<gallery>
Image: Broken Boy Soldiers.jpg|<center>'''''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]'''''<br><center> [[May 15]], [[2006]]<br>[[V2 Records]]<br>US #7, UK #2<br><br><center>
</gallery>
 
They have also released live performance albums in limited quantities at their respective concerts.
 
===Singles===
{| class="wikitable sortable"
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|Year
!align="left" valign="top"|Song
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|<small>[[Billboard Hot 100|U.S. Hot 100]]<small>
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|<small>[[Modern Rock Tracks chart|U.S. Modern Rock]]<small>
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|<small>[[UK singles chart]]<small>
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|<small>[[UK Download Chart]]<small>
!align="center" valign="top" width="40"|<small>[[UK singles chart|UK Indie Singles]]<small>
!align="left" valign="top"|Album
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|2006
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Steady, As She Goes]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|55
|align="center" valign="top"|'''1'''
|align="center" valign="top"|4
|align="center" valign="top"|5
|align="center" valign="top"|1
|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|2006
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Hands (Raconteurs song)|Hands]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|29
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|2
|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|2006
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Broken Boy Soldier (Raconteurs song)|Broken Boy Soldier]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|22
|align="center" valign="top"|39
|align="center" valign="top"|2
|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]''
|-
|align="center" valign="top"|2007
|align="left" valign="top"|"[[Level (Raconteurs song)|Level]]"
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|7
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="center" valign="top"|-
|align="left" valign="top"|''[[Broken Boy Soldiers]]''
|-
|}
 
==Live performances==
The Raconteurs first performed live at the Academy in [[Liverpool]], [[United Kingdom|U.K.]], on [[March 20]], [[2006]], launching a short British tour. Their first American date was the next month, on [[April 20]] at [[New York City|New York]]'s [[Irving Plaza]]. Nearly nonstop touring followed, bringing the band to audiences around North America and Europe. The high profile of [[Jack White]] meant that even though the band was new, they were able to sell out mid-size venues — a rarity for a band's first tour.
 
The band has played a number of music festivals in Europe, Asia, and North America (including Lollapalooza in Chicago, IL and [[Austin City Limits Music Festival]] in [[Austin, Texas]]), headlining many.
 
In November [[2006]], the Raconteurs played eight dates as the opening act for [[Bob Dylan]] on the northeastern leg of his U.S. tour.
 
The band has performed a number of covers during live shows. For instance, the set list usually includes renditions of "[[Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)]]" (a song written by [[Sonny Bono]] and popularized by both [[Cher]] and [[Nancy Sinatra]]) and "Headin' For the Texas Border" by [[The Flamin Groovies]]. Other songs the band has covered include [[Gnarls Barkley]]'s "[[Crazy (Gnarls Barkley song)|Crazy]]", [[Bo Diddley]]'s "Who Do You Love?", [[The Undertones]]' "[[Teenage Kicks]]," [[David Bowie]]'s "[[It Ain't Easy (song)|It Ain´t Easy]]", and [[Love (band)|Love]]'s "A House Is Not A Motel".
 
== The Saboteurs ==
The Raconteurs were forced to rename themselves as "The Saboteurs" for the Australian market when it was discovered that a [[Queensland]] band was already using the name "Raconteurs". The Queensland band refused to give up their name for the amount they were offered, and instead tried to extract a higher price from the Raconteurs' record company.<ref name="HeraldSunNameChange">[http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18734967%255E28957,00.html Double-up forces switch], ''[[Herald Sun]]'', [[2006-04-07]]</ref>
A member of the Queensland band has said that they hadn't been informed of who was trying to buy their name and asked for the larger sum of money to see what would happen.<ref name="TripleJNameChange">[http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/musicnews/s1613948.htm Saboteurs of Raconteurs], ''[[Triple J|Triple J Music News]]'', [[2006-04-11]]</ref>
 
==Audio sample==
{{Listen|filename=Steady_as_she_goes.ogg|title="Steady, As She Goes"|description=25-second clip of the chorus of [[Steady, As She Goes]] by The Raconteurs|format=[[Ogg]]}}
 
==References==
{{reflist}}
 
==External links==
*[http://www.theraconteurs.com/ TheRaconteurs.com], Official website ([[Adobe Flash|Flash]] required)
*[http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=491&invol=397 Text of the decision]
*[http://www.candycanechildren.com/ CandyCaneChildren.com] news, message board, chat room
*[http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/379/audioresources Audio recording of oral arguments]
*[http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000944462 "White, Benson Make A Racket With Greenhornes"], from Billboard.com
* [http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=TX_v_Johnson First Amendment Library entry on ''Texas v. Johnson'']
*[http://www.brokenboysoldiers.net/"BrokenBoySoldiers.net"], Raconteurs tablatures and lyrics
*[http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/v2music/steady_ref.mov "Steady as She Goes" video (.MOV)]
*[http://www.avclub.com/content/node/52559 The Onion A.V. Club's interview with The Raconteurs], September 7th, 2006
*[http://www.theraconteursfans.com/ theRaconteursFans.com] - the Raconteurs fan site
* [http://www.videology-tv.com/viewclip.php?id=38#info Music Video for 'Broken Boy Soldier' + interview with director Floria Sigismondi]
* [http://www.albumofthemonth.com/magazineindex.html British music magazine album of the year lists]
*[http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/20/weekend-rock-list-best-live-bands-playing-today/ One of Rolling Stones Best Bands to See Live]
 
 
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