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'''Electronic music''' is a loose term for [[music]] created using [[electronics|electronic]] equipment. Any sound produced by the means of an electrical signal may reasonably be called electronic, and the term is sometimes used that way -- in music where acoustic performance is the norm, even the introduction of electronic [[amplifier]]s may touch off discussions of electronic music. [[Jazz]] and [[folk music]], for example, have gone through a good deal of argument about the topic.

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'''Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper.''' &mdash; Robert Frost

[[User talk:SlimVirgin/archive1|Archive 1]]

But as a category of criticism and marketing, electronic music is the broad term for music that is produced exclusively by electronic components, in instruments such as [[synthesizer]]s, [[sampler]]s, [[computer]]s and [[drum machine]]s. Theoretically, the music could include any of an array of other "instruments." The earliest purely electronic instrument was the [[Teleharmonium]] or Telharmonium, developed by [[Thaddeus Cahill]]. As it weighed 7 tons and was the size of a boxcar, the first practical electronic instrument is often viewed to be the [[Theremin]], invented by Professor Leon Theremin circa 1919 - 1920. (For more information on both the Teleharmonium and Leon Theremin, see the links at the end of this article). Another early electronic instrument was the [[Ondes Martenot]], which was used in the ''Turangal&icirc;la Symphony'' by [[Olivier Messiaen]]

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== Viva LaRouche ==

In the years following [[World War II]], Electronic music was embraced by contemporary "art" musicians, and was hailed as a way to exceed the limits of traditional instruments. Modern Electronic composition is considered to have begun in force with the development of [[Musique concrete]] and tape recorders in [[1948]], only to rapidly evolve with the creation of early analog synthesizers. Musique Concrete was first written by [[Pierre Schaeffer]], who later worked alongside such [[avant garde]] [[modern classical music|classical]] composers as [[Pierre Henry]], [[Pierre Boulez]] and [[Karlheinz Stockhausen]]. Stockhausen has worked for many years as part of [[Berlin]]'s [[Studio for Electronic Music]] combining electronically generated sounds with conventional [[orchestra]]s. [[Edgar Varese]] and [[Steve Reich]] are two other composers in this field. (See [[Electronic art music]] for more information.)

[[User:Platonist]] is also over at the Spanish Wikipedia as "Usuario:Platonista". How original. He's starting up an edit war on the [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche Lyndon LaRouche] article there. Our ArbCom ruling doesn't apply there if I understand the matter correctly. My Spanish is restaurant grade, but I might register there so I can at least watch. Cheers, -[[User:Willmcw|Willmcw]] 09:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

At the [[Radiophonic Workshop]], the sound special effects unit of the [[BBC]], [[Ron Grainer]] and [[Delia Derbyshire]] created one of the first electronic signature tunes for [[television]] with the theme music for ''[[Doctor Who]]''. A short [[OGG]] file sample of this can be found [[media:Drwhobbcrad.ogg|here]].

== [[:Image:PA103 graphic.gif|PA103 bomb image]] ==

Although Electronic Music began in the world of classical (or "art") composition, within a few years it had been adopted into popular culture with varying degrees of enthusiasm. In the [[1960s]], [[Walter Carlos]] (now [[Wendy Carlos]]) popularized early [[synthesizer]] music with two notable albums ''[[The Well Tempered Synthesiser]]'' and ''[[Switched On Bach]]'', which took pieces of baroque [[Classical Music|classical music]] and reproduced them on [[Robert Moog|Moog]] [[synthesizer]]s.

Hi again, SV. I've updated the animated GIF again. I have recreated it from the original source (resolving a possible copyright conflict with the ASN) and I have increased the frame timing to 10 seconds. Hope this meets your approval! Cheers -- [[User:FirstPrinciples|FP]] ^{[[User_talk:FirstPrinciples|<talk>]][[Special:Contributions/FirstPrinciples|<edits>]]} 10:19, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

As technology developed, and [[synthesizer|synthesizers]] became cheaper, more robust and portable, they were adopted by many [[rock band]]s. Examples of relatively early adopters in this field are bands like the United States of America, The Silver Apples and [[Pink Floyd]], and although not all of their music was primarily electronic (with the notable exception of The Silver Apples), much of the resulting sound was dependent upon the synthesised element. In the 1970s, this style was mainly popularised by [[Kraftwerk]], who used electronics and robotics to symbolise and sometime gleefully celebrate the alienation of the modern technological world; to this day their music remains uncompromisingly electronic.

== Protection tag on a disambiguation page ==

In jazz, amplified [[acoustic instrument]]s and synthesizers were mixed in a series of influential recordings by [[Weather Report]]. [[Joe Zawinul]], the synthesizer player in that group, has continued to field ensembles of the same kind.

I don't see any harm with putting the tag on - a redirect would be different. --[[User:Henrygb|Henrygb]] 10:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Blocks ==

Musicians such as [[Brian Eno]], [[Vangelis]], [[Jean Michel Jarre]] and [[Tangerine Dream]] also popularised the sound of electronic music. The film industry also began to make extensive use of electronic music in [[soundtrack]]s; an example of a film whose soundtrack is heavily dependent upon this is [[Stanley Kubrick]]'s film of [[Anthony Burgess]]'s novel ''[[A Clockwork Orange]]''. ''Forbidden Planet'' had used an electronic score in 1956 and, once electronic sounds became a more common part of popular recordings, other [[science fiction]] films such as ''[[Blade Runner]]'' and the [[Alien]] series of movies began to depend heavily for [[mood]] and [[ambience]] upon the use of electronic music and electronically derived effects. Electronic groups were also hired to produce entire soundtracks, in the same way as other popular music stars.

Hi SlimVirgin, yes i was thinking about undoing those and putting in infinite blocks. I'll go ahead and do it and signal you when done. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] | [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 16:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In the late 1970s and early 1980s there was a great deal of innovation around the development of electronic music instruments. Analogue synthesisers largely gave way to digital synthesisers and samplers. Early samplers, like early synthesisers, were large and expensive pieces of gear-- companies like [[Fairlight]] and [[New England Digital]] sold instruments that cost upwards of $100,000. In the mid 1980s, this changed with the development of low cost samplers. From the late 1970s onward, much popular music was developed on these machines. Groups like [[Heaven 17]], [[Severed Heads]], [[The Human League]], [[Yaz]], [[The Art of Noise]], [[Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark]], and [[New Order]] developed entirely new ways of making popular music by electronic means.

: The blocks should all be infinite blocks now. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] | [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 17:21, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The natural ability for music machines to make stochastic, non-harmonic, staticky noises led to a genre of music known as [[industrial music]]. Some artists, like [[Nine Inch Nails]], KMFDM, and Severed Heads, took some of the adventurous innovations of [[Musique Concrete]] and applied them to mechanical dance beats. Others, such as Test Department, [[Einstürzende Neubauten]], took this new sound at face value and created hellish electronic compositions. Meanwhile, other groups (Robert Rich, :zoviet*france:, rapoon) took these harsh sounds and melded them into evocative soundscapes.

=="Anonymous Proxy"?==

The [[Acid House]] movement in the late 1980s and early 1990s went on to further promote the development and acceptance of electronic music into the [[mainstream]]. More recently, electronic instruments have been used to create [[dance music]] with rhythms faster and more precise than previously possible with ordinary [[percussion]], and the sound of this music has often featured electronically altered sounds and samples of traditional instruments. The falling price of suitable equipment has meant that [[popular music]] has increasingly been made electronically. Artists such as [[Bjork]] and [[Moby]] have further popularized variants of this form of music within the mainstream. In the 1990s a Turkish electronic musician [[Murat Ses]] published his electronic works which incorporated original [[Levantine]], Central Asian, [[Anatolian]] musics in a so-called trilogy with the concept: "The Timeless and Boundariless Context of Culture and Civilization".

Just so you know, 129.7.35.X computers are not an anonymous proxy but a publicly accessible computer lab. Posted by [[User:129.7.35.176]] [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] ^{<font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font>} 18:32, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

== Seriously? ==

One of the principal sources for dissemination of information about electronic music is the magazine [[Wire magazine|The Wire]], a monthly publication which covers the whole scene extensively.

Are you completely unaware of the fact that the ALF is commonly referred to as an ecoterrorism group? You can't honestly claim ignorance of this. You, as an administrator, need to stop protecting the ALF page and allow it to show both positive and negative views. As a source of information, just providing the point of view in which animal rights people will take is not good. Multiple sides need to be shown.

<h3>Genres</h3><p>

Read these:

Contemporary Electronic music includes many different styles, such as

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/20/123821.shtml

A quick search on google will give you many more references.

:[[2Step]]

:[[Ambient music|Ambient]]

:[[Big Beat]]

:[[Breaks]]

:[[Drum and Bass|Drum and Bass/Breakbeat]]

:[[Electric Levantine]]

:[[Electro]]

:[[Electronica]]

:[[Garage music|Garage]]

:[[Goa music|Goa]]

:[[Hardcore music|Hardcore]]

:[[House music|House]]

:[[Intelligent dance music]] (IDM)

:[[Jungle music|Jungle]]

:[[Noise music]]

:[[Progressive house]]

:[[Progressive rock]]

:[[Tech house]]

:[[Techno music|Techno]]

:[[Trance music|Trance]]

:[[Trip hop]] aka [[Bristol Sound]]

You should also know that many Wikipedia pages on terrorism and ecoterrorism contain the ALF. Yet, the ALF page does not contain those terms thanks to some idiots who try to protect it. Thanks for understanding that the ALF is an ecoterrorism organization :) [[User:Iamblueman4]]

Notable artists in some genres of electronic music:

== Vandal User ==

:[[Aphex Twin]] (Early ambient, electronica)

Hello, my name is Flowerofchivalry and I am glad if you give me some help.

:[[Art of Trance]] (Trance)

:[[Bedrock]] (Collaborative effort by Bedrock Records, including Sasha+Digweed. Progressive house.)

:[[Bjork]] (Bjork is one of the most inflential artists of the past decade. While she is impossible to categorize in one genre of music, her electronic art rock transmogrifies itself into what could best be described as progressive ambient.)

:[[Brian Eno]] - (also together with [[David Byrne]] of [[Talking Heads]] collaborated on an early sampling album ''[[My Life in the Bush of Ghosts]]'').

:[[Brian Transeau|BT]]

:[[Coldcut]]

:[[Daft Punk]] (French house - leaders in the late 90ies Filter/disco sound)

:[[Depeche Mode]]

:[[Dust Brothers]] (breaks, big beat)

:[[Enigma Band|Enigma]]

:[[Enya]] (ambient, trip hop)

:[[Fatboy Slim]] aka [[Norman Cook]] (Breaks, big beat, Happy Hardcore)

:[[Frankie Bones]] (Happy Hardcore, Funky breaks, Goa. Responsible for essentially starting the rave scene in North America. Came up with the word "[[Rave]]". Came up with [[PLUR]].)

:[[Frankie Knuckles]] (Pioneered [[house music]]. Spun at a club called "The Warehouse", for which the genre was named.)

:[[Funk Function]]

:[[Hardfloor]]

:[[Isao Tomita]]

:[[Jean Michel Jarre]]

:[[JoCa]] - http://www.jocamusic.com

:[[Jochem Paap]] aka [[Speedy J]] (Atmospheric)

:[[Jungle Brothers]] (Jungle, Two-step, Tech-step, Breaks)

:[[JunkieXL]] (Better known these days as "JXL" - had a massive chart hit with his Elvis-remix)

:[[Klaus Schulze]]

:[[KLF]] - pioneers in the field of flagrant [[sampling (music)|sampling]]

:[[Kraftwerk]] (Pre-techno electronica, experimental, one of the most-sampled artists ever)

:[[Mike Paradinas]]

:[[Moby]] (Does just about everything) - http://www.moby.com

:[[Murat Ses]]

:[[Oliver Lieb]] (Techno, trance)

:[[Orbital]] (Funky breaks, Tech Step, Happy Hardcore)

:[[Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark]]

:[[Paul Lansky]]

:[[Paul Oakenfold]] (Trance)

:[[Paul Van Dyk]] (Trance)

:[[Pet Shop Boys]]

:[[Portishead]]

:[[Prodigy]] (Breaks, Big beat)

:[[DJ Q-Bert]] (Scratch artist, three time world champion turntablist)

:[[Ritchie Hawtin]] aka [[Plastikman]] (Minimalist, techno)

:[[Sneaker Pimps]] (Mostly trip hop)

:[[Squarepusher]]

:[[Sven Vath]]

:[[Tangerine Dream]]

:[[The Chemical Brothers]] (Breaks, Big beat, Funky Breaks, breakbeat)

:[[The Orb]] (trance, ambient, very influential)

:[[The Residents]]

:[[Thomas Dolby]]

:[[Timo Maas]] (progressive house, Tech-house)

:[[Underworld]]

:[[Vangelis]]

:[[Yellow Magic Orchestra]] aka [[YMO]] (Pre-techno electronica, melodic)

A user, [[User:Hmib]], assault me by calling me as "neo-nazi holocaust denier" and "vandal user." I have been discussing with him about [[Nanking Massacre]] and [[Iris Chang]], but he accused me that I have no NPOV because my POV is different from him. By citing many credible publicities and teaching him about NPOV, but he does not listen at all.

Notable record labels:

Since he states himself as a highschool student, so I tried to give him an extra opportunity to withdraw his abusing, but he does not listen anything either.

:[[Additive]]

:[[Astralwerks]]

:[[Bedrock Records]]

:[[Bonzai Records]]

:[[Harthouse]] -- http://www.harthouse.com/

:[[Hooj Choons]] -- http://www.hooj-choons.co.uk/

:[[Interstate Records]]

:[[Mute Records]]

:[[Moonshine Music]]

:[[Ninja Tune]] -- http://www.ninjatune.net

:[[Perfecto]]

:[[Platipus Records]] -- http://www.platipus.com/

:[[Plus8]] -- http://www.plus8.com/

:[[Positiva]]

:[[Ralph America]] -- http://www.ralphamerica.com/

:[[React]]

:[[Warp]] -- http://www.warprecords.com/

According to Wikipedia's official rules, he must not assault me, like what he did. Since he believes NPOV means excluding anti-Chinese POV, and he may believe anything against that is vandalism, I cannot talk to him anymore.

Notable DJs:

He has been instigated by other users, such as [[User:Markalexander100]], also has the same idea with Hmib, so Hmib might believe everything he is doing is the justice. In fact, he committed 3RR violation because of this.

:[[Darren Emerson]] (Techno, formerly 1/3 of Underworld)

:[[Gilles Peterson]]

:[[Goldie]] (Drum and Bass (a major progenitor of the genre), Breakbeats, Acid jazz)

:[[Grooverider]]

:[[Jeff Mills]] (Detroit techno pioneer)

:[[John Digweed]] (Progressive house, many collaborations with Sasha)

:[[Judge Jules]] (Trance, hard house)

:[[LTJ Bukem]] (Much of his work is described as "ambient jungle.")

:[[Paul Oakenfold]] (Trance, early pioneer of the UK clubscene)

:[[Sander Kleinenberg]] (Dutch prog. house wizkid...)

:[[Sasha]] (Progressive house, trance, many collaborations with John Digweed.)

I tried my best to calm his down, but I failed. Now, I think it is a time to seek your help. Your any kind of help will be greatly appreciated.

See also:

--[[User:Flowerofchivalry|Flowerofchivalry]] 22:23, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

* [[Variophone]]

* [[RCA Synthesizer]]

* [[Daphne Oram]]

* [[Delia Derbyshire]]

:A textbook case of Cry Wolf. On [[Talk:Iris Chang]], [[User:Flowerofchivalry]] stated

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::''However, I personally believe it did not happen''.

:when referring to the [[Rape of Nanking]]. That constitutes a holocaust denier. Note that I used "holocaust" in lowercase. As for vandalism, a quick glance at [[User:Flowerofchivalry]]'s impressive 10RR (yes, ten) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Flowerofchivalry_alias_User:68.27.42.126_and_User:70.6.253.74.2C_User:70.6.177.52_and_User:68.27.173.157 track record] will give you an idea whether he is a vandal or not.

:For my 3RR blunder, I have already apologized on the complaint page [[User:Flowerofchivalry]] lodged against me, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Hmib here].

External links:

* [http://www.thereminvox.com/story/27/ Lev Sergeivitch Termen: The Inventor of the Theremin]

:As for his accusation of me pushing POV, a quick look at [[Nanjing Safety Zone]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nanjing_Safety_Zone&action=history history]) tells you just how much [[User:Flowerofchivalry]] ignores ''established facts'' and insists on his own version of history. Note that, if '''MY''' NPOV means excluding all anti-China POV, like the accusation leveled against me, then pages like [[Ishihara Shintaro]] would long ago have been replaced with a picture of human feces. But they are alive and well. I guess the Chinese POV likes [[Ishihara Shintaro]] a lot, eh?

* [http://www.thereminvox.com/story/495/ An Interview with Leon Theremin]

* [http://www.thereminvox.com/tvoxlib/27/ Theremin Audio Library] at [http://www.thereminvox.com Thereminvox.com]

:I do not let my personal convictions get in the way of editing wikipedia, that's why Shintaro has not been renamed Shitaro, but obviously for [[User:Flowerofchivalry]], his version of NPOV exclusively means anything that he accepts as truth. Not unlike the accusation he leveled against me. Look in the mirror.

* [http://theremin.info/leon-theremin.shtml An article on Leon Theremin]

* [http://www.synthmuseum.com/magazine/0102jw.html More information on the Telharmonium]

:I would appreciate your help, however, to deal with this long-running conflict with [[User:Flowerofchivalry]], it has dragged on long enough and none of the serious contributors want it to continue. -[[User:Hmib|Hmib]] 08:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

* A good multimedia guide to electronic music genres can be found [http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/guidehigh.htm here]. <i>Expect a long download, so if you don't have a fast connection it may not be worth it for you. You must have shockwave flash.</i>

::I'm glad Hmib showed his assertion here that let Slimvergin understand what are Hmib's problems.

::Again, I didn't make 10rv, and I'm not neo-nazi holocaust denier as Hmib stated. Slimvirgin, sorry for mess up your talkpage with this low level dispute made by Hmib.

--[[User:Flowerofchivalry|Flowerofchivalry]] 09:38, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::On the contrary, I must apologize to SlimVirgin for cluttering his talkpage with such nonsense. -[[User:Hmib|Hmib]] 09:59, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::''Her'' talk page. ;-) [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] ^{<font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font>} 10:05, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

::::: ''*Slaps self*''. Truly sorry, ''Miss''. :) -[[User:Hmib|Hmib]] 10:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As you already identified... the root of the problem is Hmib's not understanding [[NPOV]]. He stated my articles "push" him "my POV". My contributions are 100% based on credible sources, and certainly some of them are not favored by Hmib. If your time allows you, I would like you to look at the article [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nanjing_Safety_Zone&oldid=15797448 here].

He is now tring to RfC, but it is clear for me that Hmib will disgrace himself in public.

--[[User:Flowerofchivalry|Flowerofchivalry]] 10:11, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Who will disgrace himself remains to be seen. As for your "credible" sources, they are nothing more than pseudohistory. You have yet to provide ANY sort of credible sources for your POV. -[[User:Hmib|Hmib]] 10:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Since I cannot fill her talkpage with garbage, I will not argue with Hmib here. --[[User:Flowerofchivalry|Flowerofchivalry]] 10:16, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

SlimVirgin, you might be interested in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Flowerofchivalry this]. -[[User:Hmib|Hmib]] 11:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== belated thanks ==

Thanks for supporting my RFA nearly a month ago. Unfortunately a sad event occurred at that time in my family, and I have not been able to participate in Wikipedia as much as I would like. I hope to get back to active contribution soon. Thanks again! [[User:FreplySpang|FreplySpang]] [[User talk:FreplySpang|(talk)]] 01:36, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Bogus inclusion in an Arbitration==

Why are you doing this to me?[[User:Enviroknot|Enviroknot]] 03:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

U of H computer lab? What are you talking about?[[User:Enviroknot|Enviroknot]] 03:36, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I still have no idea what you are talking about.[[User:Enviroknot|Enviroknot]] 03:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If I abandoned my user name what would you do but hunt down my user name and keep attacking me? I do not understand why you keep doing this.[[User:Enviroknot|Enviroknot]] 03:49, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Question ==

I've run into a certain attitude that I'm curious if its a proper one.

*I can revert your edit with good faith based on the fact that you are just using your IP address as an identifier.

Is this proper for the wikipedia? I certainly have my reasons for not creating an account, but I also assumed that nonlogged in users are allowed to edit for a reason. Am I incorrect in that the edits should be considered on their own merits regardless of who makes them? -bro [[User:172.149.84.231|172.149.84.231]] 07:12, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I understand everything you say regarding the benefits of creating an account, but as I said I have my reasons, if you would like to know them in regards to this I will explain. I must ask you to please look at the edits(edit really) that this is occuring over. Its from a link already referenced in the article (I didn't put it there), and it is extremely useful as context for other quotes that -are- used in the article from the same reference. As an aside, I believe this user [[User:MONGO]] has hit the 3rr ceiling, but I'll leave that to your descretion. My edit is both useful, enlightening, and helps improve the article. Thanks for your time. -bro [[User:172.149.84.231|172.149.84.231]] 08:04, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that quote was actually my second try at trying to figure out why it was being blind reverted, I thought it may have been something to do with my original one which was '''He said that he would continue to refuse to comment on allegations of drug use.''' which is also from the same source. I personally like the bolded one better by far, but hey, thought a direct quote might be more acceptable.-bro [[User:172.149.84.231|172.149.84.231]] 08:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) (posted on the article talk page as well)

== Thanks ==

Just wanted to offer my thanks for your quick responses. Honestly you were the only admin name I could remember off the top of my head when I felt it neccessary to bring attention to this. Good thing your moniker is unique :D Many thanks. -bro [[User:172.149.84.231|172.149.84.231]] 08:29, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==[[User:NazismlsntCool]]==

I changed your block of this user to an infinite block, since the name is obviously an impersonation of [[User:NazismIsntCool]] (with a lowercase 'L' instead of the 'I').-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 08:46, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Tabs ==

Hi, no in fact I don't have those tabs. Could you add them, or better yet tell me how they get put up there? Is this part of a CSS template? [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] | [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 23:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)