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PLEASE NOTE: I tend to keep track of my postings on other user pages (especially the more recent) so you're welcome to reply on your own talk page instead of here.

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[[Alismataceae]]<br/>

[[Aponogetonaceae]]<br/>

[[Araceae]]<br/>

[[Butomaceae]]<br/>

[[Cymodoceaceae]]<br/>

[[Hydrocharitaceae]]<br/>

[[Juncaginaceae]]<br/>

[[Limnocharitaceae]]<br/>

[[Posidoniaceae]]<br/>

[[Potamogetonaceae]]<br/>

[[Ruppiaceae]]<br/>

[[Scheuchzeriaceae]]<br/>

[[Tofieldiaceae]]<br/>

[[Zosteraceae]]

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The order '''Alismatales''' contains the alismatids, a group of [[monocotyledon]]s (class [[Liliopsida]]). The order contains about 165 genera in 14 families, with cosmopolitic distribution. Most families are comprised of [[herb]]aceous non-[[succulent]] plants. These plants are commonly found in aquatic environmments. The [[flower]]s are usually arranged in [[inflorescence]]s, and the mature seeds lack [[endosperm]].

'''''BY COMMENTING HERE, I ASSUME TO REPLY HERE UNLESS YOU SAY OTHERWISE!'''''

Traditionally, the order Alismatales was restricted to contain just three families (Alismataceae, Butomaceae and Limnocharitaceae). The other families were not considered as alismatids, and were assigned to various distinct orders, but this approach produced [[polyphyletic]] groups, and so the whole group of families is now placed into a single order.

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The [[Petrosaviaceae]] have been placed in this order, but their actual affinity is not so clear. The alismatids have been considered the sister group of the [[Arales]] and the latter are now included here. As a result of this merger, the Araceae became the most important family in the order, accounting alone for over 2000 species in about 100 genera. The rest of families contain together just about 500 species.

== [[template:US state]] ==

A couple of comments about your recent changes.

# Adding km² to the Area label doesn't work for [[Kansas]] (which has measurements in both English and metric units). [[Missouri]] (not using the template yet) also lists English and metric units.

# Perhaps not obvious, but the ISO 3166-2 code includes the USPS abbreviation so listing both is actually redundant.

# I don't mean to argue about it (just curious, really), but what don't you like about including the statehood order parenthetically after the date?

# The way you have the title for the population entries makes the parenthetical rank look (to me) like it is somehow related to 2000, rather than all the population data being as of the 2000 census. Please don't fix this by reverting the ranks back to their own lines.

# Given you've changed width and length back to their own lines I'll stop trying to think of a way to combine max/mean/min elevations on one line.

We clearly have different preferences on how compact the table should be. I strongly lean minimalist, but I suspect we both agree comprehensibility is most important. BTW - you didn't respond on [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states]] about adding FIPS code or motto. What do you think? -- [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]] 21:19, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== See also ==

*[[Seagrass]]

== References ==

Thanks for your comments Rick. :)

* [[Barthélemy Charles Joseph du Mortier|B. C. J. du Mortier]] (1829). ''Analyse des Familles de Plantes : avec l'indication des principaux genres qui s'y rattachent'', 54. Imprimerie de J. Casterman, Tournay.

# I think we should make them all km&sup2; or all mi&sup2; or both. It is a template to provide unity across state data.

* W. S. Judd, C. S. Campbell, E. A. Kellogg, P. F. Stevens, M. J. Donoghue (2002). ''Plant Systematics: A Phylogenetic Approach, 2nd edition.'' pp. 242-247 (Alismatales). Sinauer Associates, Sunderland, Massachusets. ISBN 0878934030.

# I know that, but does everyone else? Does a 5th grader know who ISO is? :) And which really came first: USPS switching to 2-letter or ISO defining 3166-2? The real driving reason I wanted to put USPS abbreviation in the infobox is I saw a lot of states specify it inside the article in haphazard locations, but typically in the opening paragraph. First step to not needing it in the article.

# On a web page, width is in short supply but length is not. (I absolutely hate side-scrolling; there's page up/down but no page left/right). For me all the changes I made are putting things to keep them from wrapping because they're too wide. I don't mind scrolling down to read more. My definition of "compact" is a matter of width not brevity. Wrapped lines/data are confusing and not particularly necessary when things can easily be moved to another line

# Without making the template wider I don't think you can.

Yes, I certainly agree. Comprehensibility is key. I'll respond to your FIPS, etc. comments when I get a chance. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 21:46, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[[Category:Alismatales]]

:With the current version there are problems with [[Arizona]] and [[Texas]] (at least with NS 7, W98, and "classic" skin - seems "nowrap" fails to have any effect). Also note that with this version most entries fit in the left half of the horizontal space. In some sense (perhaps only theoretically) I think this means the table at its current width is roughly twice as long as it could be. I don't think we're going to shrink the US map to reduce the width of the table to less than 300px, so I'd prefer we reformatted some things to use more of the available width. We should at least redistribute the white space so everything isn't piled up in the left half of the table. -- [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]] 01:19, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[[da:Skeblad-ordenen (Alismatales)]]

==Tea and Empathy==

[[de:Froschlöffelartige]]

Salve, Cburnett!<br>Thanks for the cleanup on the [[Julia Stiles]] article. I am delighted it is now a [[WP:FA]], the second one I can claim. (Credit is due also to [[User:Niteowlneils]] and [[User:Rossrs]] for their contributions.)<br>I was away and missed the revert dispute between yourself and Zen-master on dates but I can empathize. I had this same discussion with him a month ago (it's still on [[Talk:Julia Stiles]]) and despite my citations to the stylebook on this and other issues he raised the dates question once more. Previously, when I added a bibliography on the Stiles article he objected to the whole idea (notwithstanding the "cite your sources" message that comes up when editing articles) and just deleted it. I looked at his [[User talk:Zen-master|talk page]] and those on articles he's been active (e.g. [[Talk:Lindsay Lohan|here]] and [[Talk:Hubbert peak|here]]) and there's a pattern. So we're not alone. <br>If you would, please reply to my talk page. Ave atque vale! [[User:PedanticallySpeaking|PedanticallySpeaking]] 15:40, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC).

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[[fr:Alismatales]]

== Disneyland ==

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As much as I love Disneyland, and as much as I see where you are coming from - not everyone sees Disneyland as a dream world. It has no spirit, and as much as it saddens me to say this, it is just a theme park. Yes, I did just say that. Actually I'm quite surprised with myself for saying that but it is true. It doesn't have a spirit - I think the word you are looking for is ethics. OK, maybe I'm not one of those people who greet people with "Have you had a Disney day today?" but I am in awe of Walt Disney's vision - yet a plaque doesn't ''embody'' the spirit (even if it had one). I am not critising your views - there is nothing wrong with seeing Disneyland the way you do, but it is slightly....I can't think of the word......innappropriate (?) to make such comments on a public encyclopedia. It isn't a fan site. I am happy to discuss this with you though. [[User:Speedway|Speedway]] 16:33 23 March 2005 (GMT)

[[pt:Alismatales]]

[[nl:Alismatales]]

:Perhaps I making myself not clear in what I mean. The plaque embodies the spirit ''Walt Disney wanted'' in the park: to leave reality and enter a world of fantasy. Of course a park doesn't have a spirit, but I don't mean the secular/theological/philosophical definition but the one that MW says:

[[no:Alismatales]]

::"temper or disposition of mind or outlook especially when vigorous or animated <in high spirits>"

:[[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 18:19, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::I think the new caption is suitable - in fact, I like it a lot. :D

[[User:Speedway|Speedway]] 18:54, 23 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Hi again. Can I have permission to use your Disneyland plaque image in my user page? Thanks. [[User:Speedway|Speedway]] 12:45 30 Mar 2005 (GMT)

:Of course, it's GFDL'd. :) If you use the same image as I uploaded then my attribution is still there and don't need any more. If you were to modify it and upload it as a new image then you'd just have to say your modified image is based on mine and link to my user page (see [[User:Cburnett#Images]]). [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:13, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Image:Terminator2004.01.jpg ==

Thank you for your message. You have asked the enhanced image to be deleted, while merging it with the original image. Fine with me. But the problem is, when I look at the orginal file, I still see the original image. There is a link in the history to the enhanced image. But after this one is deleted, this link will be broken. Furthermore, in the page [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]], where the image belongs, the orginal image has replaced the enhanced image. I have tried to upload the enhanced image again, but this time under the orginal file name. As expected, I got a warning that the file existed already. I saved anyway, but the orginal image was being kept. Am I missing something ? [[User:JoJan|JoJan]] 10:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:The problem is your browser cache. You'll have to refresh or do something to purge it. My upload *was* the enhanced image but your browser wasn't showing it to you because it had it cached. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 14:05, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Hello==

Hello, fellow Tau Bate. Thanks for the addition to the article, especially the picture. I'm Kentucky Beta '03. Just out of curiosity, did you go to the national convention in Lubbock in 2003? (BTW: I'd prefer if you replied on my talk page). Cheers. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 01:03, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

:I presume by ''year of initiation (or should it be induction?)'' and the current fields in the list now you meant when they became chapters. You might need to have an asterisk by some schools for those that merged from Sigma Tau. When they merged, the national office gave the chapters a year or two to move over. Don't quote me on this, but I believe the last chapter that switched did so in 1976 or 1977. In this case you'll either want to have an asterisk or, preferrably, both dates. Now, as far as the actual dates for all the chapters, I'm almost positive you'll find this in the yearly info booklet that the national chapter sends out to the chapter advisors/president. If your chapter is like my chapter, they always send a billion of them, so there should be no shortage. You should be able to check the minutes of the conventions posted online for the most recent chapters. Two got in at the national convention in 2003, and at that convention there were proposals for some more for the following year, so I presume there were some chapters approved in 2004. Hope this helps. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 03:17, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

==[[Rick Aviles]]==

1. I did not protect the [[Rick Aviles]] page. Look at the history of the page and you will not see my name. I only dedicate myself here to writing mostly and talking with friends.

2. I did not appreciate the words you told [[User:Marine 69-71]], who is my father. I think you should respect him like most wikipedians respect each other. As an administrator of the site myself, I am willing to ask someone to mediate between you and him.

3. I have never protected any pages.

Thanks for the concern, however, and [[God]] bless you.

"[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Bellyline Martin]]"

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=&page=Rick+Aviles] is calling you a liar.

::''23:02, 28 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin protected Rick Aviles (Temp only)''

:You'll have to excuse my curt tone when I find an admin who doesn't follow the policies to protect his father's edits. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 09:09, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Furthermore, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=AntonioMartin] is calling you an even bigger liar:

* 23:02, 28 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin protected Rick Aviles (Temp only)

* 19:09, 13 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin unprotected Miguel Ferrer (I Believe that the vandalism is now under control)

* 23:06, 10 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin protected Miguel Ferrer (Temp Protection from vandalism and continous deverts)

* 21:41, 10 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin unprotected Miguel Ferrer (Will make a fix)

* 19:39, 10 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin protected Miguel Ferrer (Temp Protection against vandalism,)

* 21:00, 8 Mar 2005 AntonioMartin unprotected Wilkins Velez Zambrana (Temp protection finished)

* 22:08, 13 Feb 2005 AntonioMartin protected Wilkins Velez Zambrana (Temp/ protection against Vandalism)

* 01:59, 26 Jan 2005 AntonioMartin protected Joaquin Phoenix (keep from continues revert)

:Well? [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 09:10, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I guess I forgot having protected those pages, but its because I have a thousand things on my head, like, for example, a doctor's appointment I had today to see if I needed a CT Scan, not to mention the always existent risk of dying from diabetes. But if, in three years of working here, writing every day Ive only protected four pages, I dont think that's such a bad record. When I saw the links you provided, it only said a temporary protection, however, which is used against vandals.

Im going to ask a mediator to talk to you and me so we can end this in a peaceful way.

[[God]] bless!

"[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Header Martin]]"

:So did you or did you not protect the [[Rick Aviles]] article? The logs say you did and you indirectly admit it. What troubles me is that you failed to follow policy and procedure on how to protect a page, or you leave your account free for anyone (notably your father) to use your admin privileges. Since you explicitly stated that you did not protect the page that leads me to the conclusion that you're a bad liar or your father used your account without you knowing about it.

:If anything here, it would seem that RFC is warranted for your use (or lack of protection of those uses) of administrator prvileges. To not follow policy (unilaterally doing it and making no notice that it's been done) to protect a page on your father's behalf is pretty a Bad Thing if you ask me. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 23:47, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Peace Pipe==

O.K., I thought that the horizontal rule (line) would have been innovative as an indication where the main article ended. But O.K., there's no reason to make a big issue over it, so I hope you accept my peace offering. I do want to keep the ==See also== as a cross reference because it'll lead others to read about other Puerto Ricans in a related topics. So what do you say? Wikipedian Freinds? [[User:Marine 69-71|Tony the Marine]]

:Linking to a list of famous puerto ricans in every puerto rican article loses its meaning. No different than linking to lists of movies, directors, and actors in every article about movies (they were prevalent some time ago but I've managed to get them almost gone).

:The problem I have with it is that it's an extremely general link and doesn't add to the article. If someone wants to find a list of puerto ricans from an article then they can hit the category link at the bottom or go to [[Puerto Rican]] and find it there. The list is directly relevant to an article on puerto ricans but not directly relevant to someone who happens to be puerto rican. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 00:46, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Disneyland... ==

Hey, there's no need to make me feel like I did something wrong. I removed the Amusement Parks tag because, officially, Disneyland is not an amusement park. I apologize for not clarifying that... --[[User:Evanwohrman|Evanwohrman]] 03:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Disneyland is an amusement park.

::''Amusement park is the more generic term for a collection of amusement rides and other entertainment attractions assembled for the purpose of entertaining a fairly large group of people.''

:There's no way Disneyland does not fit that description. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 03:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

::Disneyland is OFFICIALLY not an amusement park. Disneyland is OFFICIALLY a THEME PARK. If you want to read about it, look for a biography on Walt Disney. He made it clear that Disneyland was not an amusement park. --[[User:Evanwohrman|Evanwohrman]] 10:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:::And look at the parent category of [[:Category:Theme parks]]. Theme parks are amusement parks just in the same that all squares are rectangles. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 17:08, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Typo alert! ==

Wanted to alert you to some typos you've made on the ISU notables page. Dormatory/dormatories should be spelled dormitory/dormitories. Would correct myself but you are in the process of editing at the moment, thought you should be informed. [[User:Adm58|Adm58]] 07:14, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

: Fixed. :) [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 07:19, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

== Old_Right "left-wing" celebrities vandalism ==

Hey Cburnett, did you intentionally put messages intended for Old_Right on my talk page rather than his? Though I agree with your assessment. [[User:Zen-master|zen master ]] [[User talk:Zen-master| T ]] 08:29, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, since there was already a conversation going on there (at least so says my watch list). :) Feel free to move or delete as you see fit as I'm in the middle of removing all his vandalism. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 08:30, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

::Thx for being the one to clean up the mess Old_Right made. [[User:Zen-master|zen master ]] [[User talk:Zen-master| T ]] 08:54, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Image USA 2004 presidential popular vote ==

Please see [[WP:RM#Relevant policies and guidelines]] (Requested moves is not the proper place to request renaming images or categories. ... + instructions how to). Hope this helps --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] 14:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, jeeze, do you think it could be put in a more prominent ___location other than at the bottom of the page??? [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 16:44, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

== Zurich ==

[[Zürich]] has been nominated on [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] for a page move to [[Zurich]]. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on [[talk:Zürich]]. [[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] 09:40, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== VEISHEA Veishea ==

There are examples on veishea.org that are lower case, although most are upper case. In print however, including the Iowa State Daily and the Des Moines Register, it is written "Veishea".

I guess I'm a little baffled by this, I thought I had checked it out pretty well before making the change. Oh well. [[User:Adm58|Adm58]] 08:31, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

:That's the AP style for acronyms. You'll find they also use Nasdaq when it's an acronym. I've never been a fan of AP style. :) [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 16:43, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

::I see where you're coming from. I just wish there were more consistency. In the Daily, it's always lower case. Throughout the ISU website, it's sometimes caps and sometimes lower case, even within the same page. On veishea.org, it's nearly always upper case. It's fine with me to use all caps on Wikipedia. I think I like it better that way, I had only changed it because I kept seeing it written lower case. [[User:Adm58|Adm58]] 17:15, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, that's just AP style. Sometimes an acronym becomes a word lik "radar" then it's lower-case, but I always capitalize acronyms sans "of", "the", etc. unless it's apart of the name. I'm pretty sure most people have this style except journalists... [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:22, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

== Adminship ==

Would you like to be an admin? Because I'd like to nominate you shortly, April 23rd to be exact. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 20:18, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, I'd enjoy being nominated. :) [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 20:56, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

::So what's so special about the 23rd? [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 22:02, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

:::You're 5th month anniversary! :'p Yay! And that should make you an admin for May 1st... which just seems cooler in my books. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 22:53, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Of course, should have checked that one. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 02:05, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

:::::You are now on the [[WP:RfA]] list. Good luck! - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 06:40, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

HA!!! Now thats pretty hillarious. Funniest thing I seen all day. An admin momination. Somehow, putting it up on the "23rd" sounds sort of like a indirect poke at me in a way (having a "23" in my nickname and all). Hope you get the job. If I reverted something of yours, what the hell? You could just ban me. [[User:Cyberia23|Cyberia23]] 06:11, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:And I've been extremely civil toward you despite what you've said to me. I guess you thinking I would ban someone I disagree with and the way you respond to me shows the difference between our character. But, there I go, I'm probably getting too much into the psycho-analyzing for you again. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 06:27, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

::I'm just messing with you. I still have your talk page on my watchlist, and saw the admin nomination. It was just seemed too ironic. [[User:Cyberia23|Cyberia23]] 15:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Cartman gets an Anal Probe ==

Thanks for fixing the links. I was going to do that now. [[User:Male1979|(Ben]] [[User talk:Male1979|talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Male1979|contributions)]] 07:34, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

:No prob. :) [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 13:59, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

== My Vandalism ==

I just wanted to say thanks for catching the vandalism on my page. Good luck on your Admin nod. --[[User:TheGrza|The]][[User Talk:TheGrza|<font color="Green">Grza</font>]] 18:30, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

==Cooperation==

Thanks for your cooperation, since I saw you work on South Park I added this [[South_Park#Music]] enjoy! --[[User:Astrowob|Astrowob]] 03:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm doing the DVD cover for the ST movies, check if you like it (should finish in about 15 mins) --[[User:Astrowob|Astrowob]] 03:51, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Coo, should eventually drop movie infoboxes on those pages as well. And, by all means, if you have access to episodes of TNG then feel free to help with screenshoting. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 03:56, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

== SinCity/SimCity dab ==

Aloha. I have commented on the Sin City talk page. I don't understand why we have a dab notice for SimCity. --[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas ]] | [[User_talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 23:29, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== [[List of breweries]] ==

You reverted a version of this with redlinks that are simply incorrect - there were no redlinks in any of the sections that I changed to ''See Category'' entries - the categories are in all cases more comprehensive as well, and the lists were arbitrary and pointless. See discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Beer]]. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 10:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:As you havent responded I have re-reverted your changes. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 13:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::No, I missed your posting here. Why:

::# Red links are not Bad Things

::# A "List of ...." is not a page intended for linking to categories (that's what parent categories are for) and removing links to be replaced with links to categories undermines the entire purpose of listing them in the first place

::# I'm debating on VFD'ing the list and/or posting a merge with the other list that includes brands

::[[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 19:48, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

:::There were not any red links on the parts I replaced with categories. Look at the history:

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_breweries&oldid=12610098 Nigeria]

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_breweries&oldid=12609487 China]

for example, which you have left with redlinks in. You reverted an earlier version with typos, incorrect names etc. I dont have anything against redlink lists, although I prefer them to be non-arbitrary lists. I only added categories to emphasise the total uselessness of the list in the first place, and also said I was keen on VfDing it. And I linked to where the discussion about this was going on, where it would be polite to respond, rather than re-re-reverting. [[User:Justinc|Justinc]] 23:43, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Ugh? ==

In a recent edit, your statement read: "Ugh, condensing to semi-colon delimited paragraphs is very hard to read." For someone who's posted so much, I would figure you'd realize that the attitude in comments is really unnecessary. All you need to say is the "Expanding number since" and the condensing part. There've been many times where I've wanted to say such things in comments, but I always resist the urge, because it achieves nothing but making the other person look dumb and create an unfavorable environment for editing. Alas, this happens a lot on Wikipedia, and now I remember why I stopped editing in the first place. [[User:Baryonyx|Baryonyx]] 20:09, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

== Request for assistance ==

I was wondering if you might check out a dispute I'm having with the [[Central College]] article.

Currently there is some information about what I feel is a relatively minor racism issue on the campus. You can see some of my reasoning on the article's discussion page. Perhaps I can summarize:

*Reads like a news report ([[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_general_knowledge_base]], #5)

*Skews the article in favor of one minor topic

*Is written in a weird non-encyclopedic way

*Slightly confusing to those not familiar with the incident

If the information is retained, I'd like to see it trimmed down a lot. But I'm relatively new here, maybe you will have more insight into this. Please respond on either the article's discussion page and/or on my [[User_talk:Adm58|talk page]]. Thanks for the help. [[User:Adm58|Adm58]] 01:22, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

: Just wanted to alert you that I'm responding on my [[User_talk:Adm58|talk page]]. Thanks. [[User:Adm58|Adm58]] 02:15, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

== King Arthur's Carrousel ==

I agree that something must be done about the King Arthur's Carrousel section. It is obviously a British or archaic spelling, which is throwing people off. I just want to keep the article looking good and not having little notes everywhere on everything that people might change, like the controversial amusement park/theme park categories, but I'll put a note on the page to remind people not to change it, because, apparently, people haven't been looking at the history for the article. --[[User:Evanwohrman|Evanwohrman]] 05:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Congratulations! ==

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]]. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the [[Wikipedia:administrators' reading list|administrators' reading list]] before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the [[Main Page]]. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new [[Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide|administrators' how-to guide]] helpful. Cheers! -- [[User:Cecropia|Cecropia]] | [[User talk:Cecropia|''explains it all'' ®]] 06:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

*Well done! (Oh, if you'd like to exercise your new superpowers, head over to [[Netbux]], a particularly noxious new page that has rightly been marked for speedying.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] 07:37, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

*Congratulations--you have clearly earned the community's trust, and I expect that you will make an excellent administrator. I just wanted to drop you a note to say so, and to note that I hope you take no offense at any remarks I made. I'm still getting to know your work, but it is obviously in high regard, and that speaks very well, I think. Thank you for your many contributions, and keep up the good work. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 21:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

**Thanks. In the end, I opted to not respond to your reply (I had at one point a reply written but didn't post it) but I guess I will now. :) WP policies are no different than laws and rules: they're always open to interpretation. Just ask any judge or lawyer. My interpretation of "obviously inappropriate" does not mesh with your interpretation of it. The pic was a screenshot of the #6 highest grossing films of all time that centers upon the relationship between the two. The screenshot, to me, captures a key moment in the development of their relationship. For that, I don't think it's "obviously inappropriate" and therefore see the removal as censorship. As I said on my RFA, I'm very opinionated and try to justify my position. Even though the consensus was against my opinion & interpretation, I went with it. I think the whole ordeal is a testament to my character, not a flaw. But that's also my opinion. :) I didn't take your opinion as offensive and I appreciate your candor. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 23:55, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

***I'm inclined to agree with you that it is a testament to your character. I came to that conclusion late in the RFA, but decided switching the vote would serve no useful purpose--perhaps that was the wrong choice. In any case, even though I disagree with your position, I recognize you have a solid set of reasons for your perspective, and I'm convinced this is a matter about which two intelligent people can reasonably disagree. Maybe you don't feel that way...anyhow, regardless, best of luck as an admin, and thanks for offering your thoughts. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] 06:26, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

****Of course I can agree to disagree. There's no reason to expect any two people to agree on issues like this. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 07:02, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

== STNG Images ==

Obviously you're busier than me nowadays; I'd be happy to finish adding images to the STNG list. How were you acquiring them predominantly? What size should I aim for? etc etc. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 05:46, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:It's finals week right now. Then I have to move to a new apartment. Then finish my thesis. Ugh! :)

:I've been just taking a screenshot and doing some basic enhancing (some slight unsharpening mostly) and usually end up with 512x384 image. I do no rescaling and make no target size (I think GIMP defaults to 75% quality...whatever that really means).

:By all means, knock yourself out. :) [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 05:50, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

::I realized I won't be able to do the images. I got Lower Decks from a Divx download, but I'm lacking the appropriate source material. I looked around the net a bit, but its all crap! :'D Sorry. I'll try to supplement anything else I can. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 03:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think [[:Image:ST-TNG The Masterpiece Society.jpg]] is from the Conundrum. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 01:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:You are correct...and I deleted it. Should I replace the current Conundrum with it? [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:57, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

::Tough call, although your image is certainly more unique to the episode I like the subversive quality mine has with the guy in the background. Perhaps yours is better to keep spoilage low, although I'd like my image to remain for the article.

::Also I just added the [[:Image:ST-VOY Distant Origin.jpg|Distant Origins]] image, I followed your suggestion and have used the sharpen more function on Paint Shop Pro 5.03. I generally avoid sharpening because it makes the image look weird close up, but I realize it does improve the image for how it will be used in Wikipedia. Give me feedback on the sharpening since I intend to use that from now on, at least for TV captures... and I'll likely redo my previous images. (I know the faces are a little dark on Distant Origins, but it was tough lighting and I can't figure out how to brighten just shadows, perhaps I should install Paint Shop Pro 7 or 8, but their bloatware compared to 5 :-). - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 15:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Hmmm, I hate to discourage you from helping but I uploaded my version of Distant Origin at [[:Image:ST-VOY Distant Origin.jpg]]. Perhaps that will give you something more direct to compare with but yours is too bright and too grainy. Having taken all these captures, I've noticed that the majority of Star Trek is shot in darker conditions so I don't think it's necessary to make it as bright as you did.

:::It's been a *long* time since I've used PSP, but I don't recall if it has a sharpen with an "amount" slider. If you could adjust it down then the image won't be near as grainy. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 16:18, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

::::Well I can use sharpen instead of sharpen more, but the grainyness is probably from poor source :'( ... your image is cleaner, but goddam that's dark. I've brightned it, hopefully not too much. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 19:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Stuart Davis ==

I don't want to fight with you over this. But have you heard his recent music? It's not folk by a long shot. It's rock, if it must be categorized. --[[User:Goethean|goethean]] 17:36, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:See the talk page, I explained my edit there. I edited the article before seeing the point on the talk page, sorry. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 17:38, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

== Chris Matthews ==

Our friend Old Right has made another change to the Matthews bio. Want to take this one?

Boisemedia 09:28, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, he only reverted the anonymous user's change. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Matthews&diff=0&oldid=13656685] which is a null diff. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 14:27, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

==Memory Alpha link==

Thanks for handling this issue. I was offline for a couple days so I wasn't able to followup on my earlier stated concerns about this link (as noted at the WikiProject: Star Trek page and on "Memory"'s talk page). I had a feeling something didn't feel right about it. Cheers! [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Fair Use ==

In case you dont see it in this page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Tianasquare.jpg], I am responding to;

"You can't agree to fair use. Fair use requires you to admit copying a copyrighted material first, then claim fair use as a defense. You can't agree to fair use at all. Cburnett 07:08, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)"

: Fair use is a legal term exclusively used within the US, and is used in two different set of laws. Fair use as a license agreement, primarily known as 'Fair dealing' in most of the world is a way using material in somewhere else. Quoting a text is allowed under fair use.... Fair use is a term used in trademark law is used as a defence. Colloqually when people say fair use, they refer to the copyright license agreement, not the trademark defence. - [[User:UnlimitedAccess|UnlimitedAccess]] 10:00, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::17 USC 107 sure doesn't make it sound like a license. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 15:40, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

::: Before the world got all crazy with copyright law. The world had a large deal of unrestrived uses. For example, we could buy a product we could smash it, we could pull it apart, we could take it outside and do a big dump on it, we could do whatever we wanted with it, all these were unrestrivtive uses. Restricted use was for example the rights to print a book or reporduce the product, fair use back in the day only reffered to things like quoting and referencing, fair use was only something academics worries about. However as copyright got more intense (in the 1930's), the government slowly removed unrestrictive uses and now when ever we play a game or install a piece of software it has a huge list of all the fair uses, whereas they were once all unrestricted uses. Take the example of one of those crazy dancing Japanese robots that people sell, a guy on a website showed the world how you could with a little bit of wireing teach the robot to play Jazz. That of course sounds quite resonable and holsome, however the company that owns the robot forced the guy to take down the website because teaching their robot to play Jazz didnt come under their fair use contracts. Fair Use is a joke, its basically a huge list of things you CAN do, when their really is an infinite posibilities of what we can do.... Even Wiki is getting crazy, if copyright law continues unchanged then in 50 years their will be 4000 different fair use copyright tags. Trust me, fair use is an agreement of do's and do not's..... Fair Use in trade mark law is very different. Look up the [[Fair Use]] article, it clarrifies things better than I ever could. - [[User:UnlimitedAccess|UnlimitedAccess]] 01:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Image processing vs. digital image processing ==

I can assure you that image processing existed before the invention of digital image processing. Consider, for example, dot-screening techniques for print, film mattes, bluescreen, and compositing, and analog television. Yes, today digital techniques dominate all other techniques, but nothing about image processing is inherently digital. Please don't merge the two. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 06:51, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

:I was myself surprised someone merged them. If I had to choose, I'd rather IP be merged into DIP, but I'd prefer they be separate. See my clarification on [[Talk:Image processing]]. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 06:55, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

== state elevations ==

Hi - I've been trying to track down where some of the state data originally came from, and mean elevation is one of numbers for which I can't find the source. You just linked the state infobox template to [[List of U.S. states by elevation]]. The source that's listed in this article does not include mean elevation figures. Do you have any idea where the mean elevation numbers came from? Thanks. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:07, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

:The information in the tables was originally taken from the {{tl|US state}} info box on each of the 50 state articles (links in the topmost table). This source is also the reason the information is given in meters instead of feet, many of the state articles only give the information in meters and I did not feel like doing the conversion when the original tables were being built. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]''&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]} 01:35, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

:: That was going to be my guess, but you beat me to the punch. Now, as to where the mean data came from that's in the infoboxes....not sure. I don't find anything on the talk page. I see Rick has asked on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states]]. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:39, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks. I'm still trying to chase the mean elevation numbers back to their original (non-wikipedia) source. The actual ultimate goal is to update the state infoboxes to have both metric and US measurements, clearly indicating the original source (which, I think, for the current measurements was US not metric). It's currently kind of hard to validate the metric numbers we have since it's not obvious the originals were not metric. What the list article currently says is that the source of the numbers is a USGS web page, and linking to this list from the state infoboxes sort of implies the numbers in the state infoboxes came from here. As long as the numbers match up (and can be verified from the cited source), I don't care how we got here. If we're going to add US measurements to the list article, they should definitely NOT be converted from the existing metric numbers since I'd be willing to bet the metric numbers were converted (at some time, by somebody) from the (non-metric) USGS originals. So, the question remains - where did the mean elevation numbers come from? Thanks. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:52, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

== help out Rich Warren? ==

Hi - do you think you might be able to help out [[user:Rich Wannen]]? He seems to be a film buff kind of guy, but is having a real hard time getting into the swing of things here. I'm not sure how to help him out, but it seems like knowing there's another film buff around might help him. Thanks. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 01:58, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

:Before doing anything, I suggest you look over his edit history and his anonymous edits as [[User:12.73.195.116]]. Also, read through the discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#.22Speedy_Deletion.22_Overkill|village pump]]. Good luck. -- [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 20:32, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Help out Rich ?Warren ==

Howdy,

Thanks for your friendly note. At this point, what I need most from Wikipedia is the freedom to learn my way about and make a contribution in the process. Unfortunately, people like Mother Wantman seem more interested in just criticizing style and getting real fretful when someone doesn't immediately conform, and from people like [[User:Splash|Splash]] in ringing up bonus points for # of "contributions" by scurrying about deleting things without so much as an effort to contact the affected contributor (in this case, me).

:Indeed. I've been at [[Iowa State University|ISU]] for more than 12 semesters now and averaged 18 credits/hours of class work per semester for my undergrad degrees in engineering. I fully understand learning through mistakes. I've come to realize that self-taught is the #1 way to learn something; #2 is from your mistakes; and #3 is from other people (university is so focused on teaching via #3 that I can no longer stand being in a class room and doing what profs should say I should do to learn, but I digress).

:Honestly, I didn't sift through your contributions like Wantman suggested. I peeked at it, but didn't go through thorougly, so I'm not fully aware of the "complaints" drawn against your contributions. The only thing I'd recommend (I wish someone had to me earlier) is to read through the style guide ([[WP:MOS]]) and the how-to-edit-a-page ([[WP:HEP]]). Since WP was my first experience with the whole wiki-syntax, my contributions (quality-wise) improved by quite a bit by reading those and just editing. In this regard, I think some were definitely wrong by "biting the newbie" since you have clearly shown the negative impact the "biting" has.

No argument, this is a different kind of beast. I've been a top-50 contributor, annually, at IMDb since 1996, That site is my frame of reference, therefore, and in many ways Wikipedia operates quite differently. This is most noticeable in the case that there is no real management-in-charge here, which can be a good or bad thing depending: I'm enthused by the opportunity to add information without having to wait for a less-knowledgeable or less-interested "Section Manager" to get through "processing" my submissions before they appear online, so that I can proceed from step 1 to step 2 to step 3 without the passage of so much time that I've forgotten the project (in one section, there is an 11-month backlog!); and that any factual mistakes can be just as quickly fixed by follow-uppers with the same or better knowledge-base than I have (in my case, my base started building, in re films, in 1953).

On the other hand, the same lack of management control allows trolls, style nitpickers and know-it-all-wannabees to come swooping down in the dark of night and delete or corrupt, one way or another, a good deal of hard work and future planned work, without even the courtesy of someone contacting the author(s) of the project first to let them know their work is in peril. Since you are an admin, I think this is something you should want to talk about with the others, as it's been the core of most of my posted complaints, and seems to roll off some people (including Mama W.) like water off an oil-soaked duck. I'm evidently not the only one who feels that way, judging by the eventual responses to my first post on the [[Village pump]], and it was I think useful I went ahead and made that post in terms of drawing some people out to discuss it. Currently Madre W. seems to want to rekindle the thing, but no one is paying him much attention: now I see he has popped over here, too, to "tattle".

:First things first: unless someone has done some really weird stuff, all your contributions should be salvagable. After an article is deleted it is still on the system (I'm not sure if there's a way to *really* delete something). If you give me an article name, I'd be glad to look to see if I can find anything.

The "anonymous" edits, I should point out, are a result of my not being used to logging in every time I return to a site from which I have not logged out. There is no intent to deceive, as Wantman seems to imply in his use of the word "anonymous", and it is that kind of attitude he presents which makes me now blow him off completely. He knows very well I explained to him what I was working on, and asked him to please not worry about the stylistic points of honor until I'd finished working, and he seemed to accept that in his first response, but now he goes on fussing about "wikifying" and *me* being uncooperative or "anonymous".

:Generally, an edit from an IP is called an anonymous edit. IOW, it's standard nomenclature here. But that's not to explain Wantman's posts or attitude, just giving you some info.

I can grant that most of the Wikipedians are good people; but they are also largely invisible to me. Only a dozen or less people responded to my initial complaint, and they were about half and half divided on whether I was a victim or a bastard. No one "official" seems to have come into the picture, and the complaint was effectively left unresolved to the best of my knowledge. That's not a healthy sign, as I just don't think you will find the numbers of people needed to 'pedify the entire history of the world, when they know their efforts are subject to instant negative reactions, or actions, from the getgo. I have been much less hassled since my original outburst, but I must say I am proceeding further with less enthusiasm and far greater trepidations, that I will do a number of weeks of work and come back after it's done to take a peek, and find it's all been deleted or reverted; and, in the former case, there's no way to restore it, because the History gets deleted too, and then the work's just lost. Rick Block is the first - and only - person to volunteer to actually look at the *Wikipedia* problem with me in re its contents on movies, and work along as a fellow contributor rather than a self-appointed supervisor, and I very much appreciate that.

:Regarding "official" people. Since WP has no real structure (there's Jimbo who seems to have the absolute final say (but rarely exercises it), there's bureaucrats (who's only job is to enable users as admins), there's admins and there's non-admins. There's no one really to act as officials, except maybe admins primarily because of their experience on WP. And I don't think you'll ever see someone come through and say "___ is wrong for ___" and "___ is wrong for ___". About the most official thing is the arbitration committee ([[WP:AC]]) but they only act upon request and as a last option.

There are certainly instances of "negative intervention" at IMDb, too, but the presence of a management team whose mere presence discourages rampant vandalism, and a Contributor's Board (at the instigation, BTW, of myself and 2 other people) to talk about structural and processing problems, and a system, however imperfect, to deal with them. IMDb may be too rule-bound at times, but there is just too little security at Wikipedia for those of good faith as well as bad.

:Sometimes I wish there were more rules at WP, but there are definitely ''more'' times that I'm glad there's no bureaucracy to hold me up.

As an outsider who would like to contribute, and who comes with a different set of experiences and some insights into the pitfalls of different management systems (off as well as on the internet), including the Wikipedia system, I would be happy to collaborate on some means of reducing the worries and improving the product, if that's something Wikipedia wants to deal with head on. In the meantime, the best way to help me is to let me experiment - I learn much better by doing than by reading about doing - and come in and help me address the problem, rather than standing on a pedestal somewhere saying 'Don't do it this way; do it that way' (I gave up saying "Yes, Mommy" decades ago) or sneaking in behind my back and wiping out what I've started on but haven't completed yet

[NB: This is not a personal statement about you, but just my reaction to the "help" coming from most of the interlopers since I've arrived here. It isn't real help, just evidence of boredom and/or self-aggrandizement on the part of the so-called helpers].

:I never had the intention of telling you what to do or hold your hand. I would like to see more activity on the film stuff and at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Movies]]. If you look at my user page at the bottom you'll find "my current project" (which I haven't been keeping up with) and it's just a simple categorization project of oscar awards. By mere exposure, I've seen a couple other people pick up on it.

PS - As to what I'm currently working on, see my == Film Wars, Part II == message on the talkboard of [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]].

:I'll look it over and respond there. Just a tip (yeah wiki-syntax), you can link directly to a section/heading like this: [[User talk:Rick Block#Film Wars, Part II:]]

Again, thanks for your interest. [[User:Rich Wannen|Rich WaNNen]] 7:57PM CST, 20 Jun 2005.

:Just let me know if you need anything or want to know anything (wiki-syntax, style, tips, whatever). [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 02:57, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

== Delete STNG pages ==

Please make sure [[The Chase (TNG)]] and [[Schisms (Star trek)]] are deleted; as they are now deprecated pages. - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 00:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And [[Sub Rosa (Star Trek episode)]] - [[User:RoyBoy|Roy]][[User talk:RoyBoy|'''Boy''']] ^{[[User:RoyBoy/The 800 Club|800]]} 01:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I had been thinking of just waiting until ST:TNG is done and just make a big WP:RFD list. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 03:06, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

== Issue at the [[Replicator (Star Trek)|Replicator]] article ==

Hi. You've demonstrated interest in that article. So I was wondering if you'd care to read the issue I'm taking with an anon in the talk page. I apologize in advance for my long comments there. I know it will be a drag to read all of that. But I could use a second opinion on the matter. Thanks, [[User:Redux|Redux]] 20:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== [[List of rivers by length]] ==

Thanks for fixing my hack of the legend table. The little markup (html or wiki) I've done is usually trial and error. It took me at least a good 30-40 clicks of the Preview button to make the bottom table [[User:Niteowlneils/Sandbox|here]] from the one above it, and the only difference is moving the county seal. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 10:12, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No problem. I've been doing web stuff for long enough that I'm down to a couple previews on a good day and a dozen on a bad day. :) I can't even recall how many for [[List of Star Trek: TNG episodes]]. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 19:03, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

== Personal attack summary = vandalism? ==

"Revert vandalism: calling me an idiot or liar = bad faith editing => vandalism"

That would be nice, but I doubt it works that way. Of course he's making an ass of himself, but you're just looking for a good reason to continue a revert war so you can end it forcefully. Don't stoop to that level. [[User:82.92.119.11|82.92.119.11]] 00:35, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:It's been put up for protection. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 00:36, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

::Your call. Disagree, though. Protecting because neither side can bear to have [[m:The Wrong Version|The Wrong Version]] up while sorting it out is a cop-out. Now I'm actually not sure blocking him ''wouldn't'' have been a better idea. [[User:82.92.119.11|82.92.119.11]] 00:46, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I don't care if it's reverted back to it was before this all started. All I know is that the reliable sources (IMDB & MGM) show the movie was released in 1989. The date on DVD cases are copyright dates, and they are irrelevant to how wikipedia sorts movies by year. ''Furthermore'', I'm not the one calling people idiots or liars. I'm not the one that the page needs protection from: it's the incivil one. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:01, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

::::You misunderstand: protection hurts everyone. When a page has been protected it's completely irrelevant who it needed protection from, that's the point I'm trying to make. A page doesn't need protection from any ''individual'' user, unless we somehow lack the technical means to block that user. [[User:82.92.119.11|82.92.119.11]] 01:05, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::The user in question ''is already banned'' and is doing it anonymously. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:56, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

==[[Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure]]==

Cburnett, you big dumb idiot. Please stop reverting the edits on [[Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure]], you know it was released in [[1988]] and you are in the wrong about the year [[1989]], I am sorry, but seriously leave it as the correct year ([[1988]]). If you continue reverting it again, I have no choice but to report you. Please answer my last message at the talk page to see how it feels when you stop. I am just not threatening to ban you, I just want you to keep it that way (my version). -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 00:58, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

:You're the one flinging the insults around. IMDB & MGM say it was release in 1989. The dates on DVD cases are ''copyright dates'', not release dates. Wikipedia does not sort by copyright dates, but by release dates. And last I checked, you are not an admin and cannot ban me. [[User:Cburnett|Cburnett]] 01:03, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

::I don't care what Wikipedia says or doesn't do and there's nothing you can do to stop me from changing it back to the correct year ([[1988]]). Again, I am not threatening to ban you at all. Can't we give it a break? The movie was done in [[1988]] and was released in [[1988]] (as seen on the DVD). I am sorry for insulting you when I tried correcting the page. -- [[User:Mike Garcia|Mike Garcia]] | [[User talk:Mike Garcia|talk]] 01:06, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)